Not news: Tracklengths and lyricists have appeared on Wiki.

[Aniland]

Does anyone know the validity of this?

[Aniland]

https://i.imgur.com/hG286.png

[FlyingBIZKIT]

I hope it's real. I've been wanting to know this!

[Aniland]

I hope so too, since not only is that absolutely awesome to see, but it's as close to 80 minutes as possible.

[Adami]

Doubtful, since it's almost exactly 80 minutes.


Plus I hope there's no 20 minute song on this, it's getting stale.

[John94]

I hope if it is true, that songs 2, 3, 4 are part of a suite. The song length made me feel a bit sad.

Then I saw the last two.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

I honestly want a 20 minute song.

[TheGreatPretender]

It's really hard to tell. Because it does look reasonable and believable. It's just about 80 minutes, which is very much like a DT album, and it ends with a 20 minute epic... So it's entirely reasonable to believe it.

[Aniland]

It is going off of the preconception that we all seem to have on The Shaman's Trance being an instrumental as well.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Mike Portnoy didn't write any lyrics?

[FretMuppet]

It might be info from one of those foreign music sites like Amazon that usually release their info quite early. Plus, JR said that the songs will be quite long

[Adami]

I hope if it is true, that songs 2, 3, 4 are part of a suite. The song length made me feel a bit sad.

Then I saw the last two.

Why would 2 3 and 4 be part of a suite?



Also, why does everyone suddenly not like the idea of a song being under 12 minutes or whatever?

[TheGreatPretender]

Mike Portnoy didn't write any lyrics?

Thank God for that. MP's lyrics were always such a gamble. Half of them are awesome, the other half are so uninteresting. I mean, I get that The Best of Times was personal and all, but "Watching Herald and Maude"? Really?

[wammabe]

The Wikipedia page remains the same for me, apparently it was changed back. I'm pretty sure that any news from the new album will be coming from an Official Dream Theater page or an interview before it gets to Wikipedia.

[Elaitch]

Well, considering the edit history tells that the one who added the track lengths and lyricists first added the track lengths and then just tweaked the minute numbers slightly in a new edit, I call fake on this one. However, I suppose that if it stays up, it is not fake. We'll just have to wait and see.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Mike Portnoy didn't write any lyrics?

Thank God for that. MP's lyrics were always such a gamble. Half of them are awesome, the other half are so uninteresting. I mean, I get that The Best of Times was personal and all, but "Watching Herald and Maude"? Really?

stickball fields

[Metabog]

INSTRUMENTAL.



And 10 minute JM song.

[Heretic]

PLEASE let this be real.

[wammabe]

Am I the only one who doesn't see anything different in the wiki page? 

[Guitalguy]

I hope if it is true, that songs 2, 3, 4 are part of a suite. The song length made me feel a bit sad.

Then I saw the last two.

Why would 2 3 and 4 be part of a suite?



Also, why does everyone suddenly not like the idea of a song being under 12 minutes or whatever?

If these lenghts are valid, I find it pretty probable that they're somehow related. It's not unlikely that they have some standard pop-pattern songs like The Answer Lies Within, Wither, etc, but a DT song of only 3 minutes sounds a bit odd. Maybe something like Wait For Sleep.

But on the other side, it's not weird if there are some shorter songs, if there are many long songs as well, and one 20 min. I notice the song lenghts are pretty equal to Octavarium. 8 min song as opener, some shorter songs, (between 3 and 8 minutes) and then SS and NE that both are over 10 min, and Octavarium at last.

We don't really know if this is valid or not, or where it comes from, but it'd be cool and i'd be happy if they were the official ones.
And then I'd guess right on that JM wrote Far From Heaven Sounds really like the subjects he has written before.

[Jamariquay]

Looks like some dude just having fun, and making track lengths based on wishful thinking and popular preconceived expectations/theories for the album. Shaman's Trance being the instrumental, Outcry being a Static Outpulse-y, James Labrie kind of name, Far From Heaven sounding like Trial of Tears, This is the Life sounding like an "I Walk Beside You" single, etc.

Personally, I'm getting tired of all the 10-15+ minute tracks lengths. I'd love to see an album composed mostly of ~8 minute songs. Be a nice change of pace. No idea if that's actually going to be the case, but if On The Backs Of Angels is any indication, I expect to see fewer padded song lengths this time around.

[TheGreatPretender]

PLEASE let this be real.

Even if it's made up, doesn't mean that it's not accurate. I mean, it wouldn't be terribly surprising even if it's wrong, that the final song would be around 20 minutes.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Mike Portnoy didn't write any lyrics?

Thank God for that. MP's lyrics were always such a gamble. Half of them are awesome, the other half are so uninteresting. I mean, I get that The Best of Times was personal and all, but "Watching Herald and Maude"? Really?

Blistering.

[The Letter M]

Mike Portnoy didn't write any lyrics?

Thank God for that. MP's lyrics were always such a gamble. Half of them are awesome, the other half are so uninteresting. I mean, I get that The Best of Times was personal and all, but "Watching Herald and Maude"? Really?

Blistering.

Forevermore.

-Marc.

[Heretic]

PLEASE let this be real.

Even if it's made up, doesn't mean that it's not accurate. I mean, it wouldn't be terribly surprising even if it's wrong, that the final song would be around 20 minutes.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just excited for the idea of another 10-minute song penned by JM.

[ReaPsTA]

Only one JM lyric.  It's been indicated a couple times he wrote lyrics for two songs, so I doubt it.

[TheGreatPretender]

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just excited for the idea of another 10-minute song penned by JM.

But statistically speaking, the average DT song (lately) is between 8 and 13 minutes, so right on the 10 minute mark, so again, it's not unreasonable.

[GasparXR]

They're still on the page for me. It could be real, it could not be. It seems more realistic right now because they are still there, but unless everyone was right about TST being instrumental, it seems like fan fiction right now.

And, it would be DT's longest single-disc album to date, at just over 79 minutes. Literally missing the threshold (79:57 I believe?) by 30 seconds or so.

As I was typing this, the total length was removed from the page, and the tracklisting table got all glitched and showed the coding on the page, looks like it was unproperly edited. And then, as I was typing THIS, the total length returned and the tracklisting returned. XD

[Vajra]

I'd be satisfied with those track lengths.

[Aniland]

This is the Life has been turned into a 21 second track. Oh goddamnit. 

[Adami]

This is the Life has been turned into a 21 second track. Oh goddamnit. 

Short life span.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Sweet, Breaking All Allusions is 2 seconds. Jim Morrison wrote Far From Heaven. Kevin Moore returns with lyrics in The Shaman's Trance. Mike Portnoy wrote some lyrics too. This is going to be a badass album  

[GasparXR]

LOL Breaking all Illusions is 2 seconds long. Definitely not real

EDIT: Got ninja'd. >.>

[TheGreatPretender]

This is the Life has been turned into a 21 second track. Oh goddamnit. 

And now Beneath The Surface is written by Nightmare Cinema... Yeah, okay, clearly it's all bullcrap.

[John94]

I'm disappointed that no-one has confirmed the Count of Tuscanys brother writing the lyrics for "Outcry" in response to Petrucci's perception of their lifestyle and fear of death.