Similar melodies reused in Dream Theater songs?

[Aniland]

Two pairs that stand out to me:

VOCAL MELODY: "Oh come, let us adore him!" (A Change of Seasons) and "We spiral towards disaster" (On the Backs of Angels)
GUITAR MELODY: Right after the chorus (Misunderstood) and the main melody at the beginning and throughout (A Rite of Passage)

Know any others? Excluding the AA songs, WfS/LTL and whatnot, of course.

[wasteland]

VOCAL MELODY: "Oh come, let us adore him!" (A Change of Seasons) and "We spiral towards disaster" (On the Backs of Angels)

I demand credits for this one 

[Aniland]

Yep, I think it was you who said that it should be followed by "Abuse and then ignore him." Wasn't sure if I dreamed that or saw it in passing, but now I can't get that out of my head. xD

[Jaffa]

VOCAL MELODY: "Oh come, let us adore him!" (A Change of Seasons) and "We spiral towards disaster" (On the Backs of Angels)

I demand credits for this one 

You have them.  Thanks to you, 'abuse and then ignore them' feels like a natural extension of OtBoA for me. 

[Mechanix1911]

KEYBOARDS (also a little guitar similarity too): Intro (Erotomania) and at the end of The Crimson Sunrise, exactly at 2:48 (A Change of Seasons)

[Aniland]

I have no idea how I never noticed that, considering that I, well, know that part of ACoS so well. 

[wasteland]

KEYBOARDS (also a little guitar similarity too): Intro (Erotomania) and at the end of The Crimson Sunrise, exactly at 2:48 (A Change of Seasons)

I know very well this similarity. It was a cause of major confusion at the beginning of my career as a DT fan, actually 

[Blazinarps]

There is a section of Finally Free that basically copies the chorus of One Last Time.  Actually, a lot of sections in Scenes From a Memory copy each other.

[Mechanix1911]

I have no idea how I never noticed that, considering that I, well, know that part of ACoS so well. 

They simply do it too well. Really clever.

[Fiery Winds]

There is a section of Finally Free that basically copies the chorus of One Last Time.  Actually, a lot of sections in Scenes From a Memory copy each other.

[IdoSC]

Thanks Aniland and wasteland. Now A Change of Seasons and On the Backs of Angels are...

[Aniland]

There is a section of Finally Free that basically copies the chorus of One Last Time.  Actually, a lot of sections in Scenes From a Memory copy each other.

For the sake of "Just in case", concept albums get to do that.

[MetropolisxPt1]

3:52 in About To Crash is eerily similar to SOC keyboard melody during Jp's solo.

[RuRoRul]

KEYBOARDS (also a little guitar similarity too): Intro (Erotomania) and at the end of The Crimson Sunrise, exactly at 2:48 (A Change of Seasons)

When I first realised this I thought it might be deliberate, but didn't find any mention of it anywhere so I guessed it wasn't.

[LCArenas]

On The Backs of Angels Chorus:
"Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless are the righteous
Burden me, lead me like a lamb to the slaughter"
/
The Root of All Evil:
"Take all of me
The desires that keep burning deep inside
Cast them all away
And help to give me strength to face another day"

They sound quite similar... I don't know why but they remind me of the other.

[Aniland]

I don't hear much similar in that, unfortunately.

[7StringedBeast]

Guitar solo for about to crash and constant motion are the same for quite a few phrases.

[voncorn]

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[Ħ]

Scarred:
Distractive
Reactive

Home:
I'm falling
I'm crawling

[Jamariquay]

The Beautiful Agony section of A Nightmare To Remember has two sections that sound like the "Fabricate our demons" part of Lines In The Sand and the main riff of Hell's Kitchen, respectively.

[Zook]

The Beautiful Agony section of A Nightmare To Remember has two sections that sound like the "Fabricate our demons" part of Lines In The Sand and the main riff of Hell's Kitchen, respectively.

Oh wow...

[ricky]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

[Zook]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

Well it's a bit uncreative and a tad disappointing to hear reused melodies or riffs. Not too big of a deal though.

EDIT: Unless you're Grave Digger and use the 2 Minutes To Midnight riff to open two of your songs.

[ehra]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

Because it's fun to find them?

[ricky]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

reused melodies or riffs.

first off, the proper term would be motif.

as a simple example, scenes from a memory is FILLED with reused motifs (I.E. metropolis motifs expanded upon in TDOE, etc.) but the album is seldom lauded as a rehash of reused material.
 

[pmahoney1337]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

I don't think the thread is about whether it matters or not. It's just to see if there are any you noticed. We don't need to pretend Aniland or any of the other posters are criticizing DT in any way. sheesh...

[Zook]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

reused melodies or riffs.

first off, the proper term would be motif.

as a simple example, scenes from a memory is FILLED with reused motifs (I.E. metropolis motifs expanded upon in TDOE, etc.) but the album is seldom lauded as a rehash of reused material.
 

Thanks professor. Although I wasn't speaking of concept albums in particular. I'm fine with reused MOTIFS for those. I was talking about (just an example) riffs from Awake showing up on Black Clouds in a blatant, "hey didn't that riff sound familiar to them?" manner.

[ricky]

i never said you were speaking of concept albums in particular.

i was simply pointing out the fact that DT have a tendency to slip in motifs from previous works into new ones.

[Zook]

i never said you were speaking of concept albums in particular.

i was simply pointing out the fact that DT have a tendency to slip in motifs from previous works into new ones.

Isn't the only instance of that Scenes From a Memory though... And The 12 Step Suite of course?

[Aniland]

why would it matter if similar melodies are reused?

Did I say it mattered?

[xShammas]

The Beautiful Agony section of A Nightmare To Remember has two sections that sound like the "Fabricate our demons" part of Lines In The Sand and the main riff of Hell's Kitchen, respectively.

SPEAKING of Hell's Kitchen...
The first four notes of that song on guitar, and the chorus riff of "Voices".

[DJay32]

Standing on the backs of angels,

Feeling my heart pull west! I saw the future dressed as a stranger...

[GasparXR]

The first few notes of the chorus in Scarred, and 2:03 in Lines in the Sand.

[KevShmev]

I always thought the main riff/melody in A Rite of Passage was a slightly different take on the In the Name of God one.

[setrataeso]

KEYBOARDS (also a little guitar similarity too): Intro (Erotomania) and at the end of The Crimson Sunrise, exactly at 2:48 (A Change of Seasons)

Well, Kevin Moore wrote the keyboard lines to both Erotomania and the original A Change of Seasons. Maybe he thought that ACOS would never be officially released, but he liked the keyboard line, so he moved it do Erotomania...not sure, just a guess. It fits in both songs really well.