Mike just posted this on Facebook, saying that he is very sad

[lithium112]

And somebody will post "Never Enough", guaranteed.

rumborak

I highly doubt someone will post that on this forum. Whatever though.

I posted it a while ago. It was glorious. People got angry and some chairs were thrown.

[Seventh Son]

And somebody will post "Never Enough", guaranteed.

rumborak

I highly doubt someone will post that on this forum. Whatever though.

I posted it a while ago. It was glorious. People got angry and some chairs were thrown.

Because its old and not any funny at all.

[lithium112]

Because its old and not any funny at all.

Not sure what you mean by "old" but it was applicable in the situation. Obviously it was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I don't really get what the big deal is. I've only been on DTF for a couple of months.. is this some thing I missed out on from before?

[KevShmev]

Because its old and not any funny at all.

Not sure what you mean by "old" but it was applicable in the situation. Obviously it was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I don't really get what the big deal is. I've only been on DTF for a couple of months.. is this some thing I missed out on from before?

Using that line is never applicable.  It is a terrible lyric by Portnoy, and anyone referencing it, ever, basically makes them come off like a fan boy who is incapable of accepting any criticism of the band or Mike Portnoy.

[lithium112]

Using that line is never applicable.  It is a terrible lyric by Portnoy, and anyone referencing it, ever, basically makes them come off like a fan boy who is incapable of accepting any criticism of the band or Mike Portnoy.

I see. I guess I wasn't aware of the connotations.

[Seventh Son]

Because its old and not any funny at all.

Not sure what you mean by "old" but it was applicable in the situation. Obviously it was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I don't really get what the big deal is. I've only been on DTF for a couple of months.. is this some thing I missed out on from before?

Using that line is never applicable.  It is a terrible lyric by Portnoy, and anyone referencing it, ever, basically makes them come off like a fan boy who is incapable of accepting any criticism of the band or Mike Portnoy.

This. I'm so tired of hearing it, so I'm just going to point to my sig each time someone says it.

*Points*

Using that line is never applicable.  It is a terrible lyric by Portnoy, and anyone referencing it, ever, basically makes them come off like a fan boy who is incapable of accepting any criticism of the band or Mike Portnoy.

I see. I guess I wasn't aware of the connotations.

That's fine but whenever someone uses it whenever you disagree with something Portnoy does and someone cries "NEVER ENOUGH" it gets really old, really fast..

[sneakyblueberry]

NEVER ENOUGH















No, really.

[lithium112]

That's fine but whenever someone uses it whenever you disagree with something Portnoy does and someone cries "NEVER ENOUGH" it gets really old, really fast..

I agree that it's annoying when someone uses it to object to criticism of MP. In the situation where I used it, however, there was a ton of people hating on him for no good reason whatsoever just because they take every twitter post he makes and somehow turn it into him being bitter at the band. Once they make this conclusion they post here saying that Mike just needs to "get over himself" and stop crying, and that he needs to stop making public posts about the situation. My point was that it was Mike's openness and and willingness to share with the fans that so many people enjoyed while he was with DT, and now that he's being doing the same thing but posting about how he's saddened by what's gone down people get up in arms about it.

So while based on what you said earlier maybe I shouldn't have posted "Never Enough" the sentiment kinda stands.

[SixDegrees]

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[Dream Team]

NEVER ENOUGH

PERMANENTLY INSUFFICIENT

ETERNALLY INADEQUATE

[Fuzzboy]

NEVER ENOUGH

PERMANENTLY INSUFFICIENT

ETERNALLY INADEQUATE

INFINITELY OBSOLETE 

[Perpetual Change]

Anyone know if DT have ever played Never Enough live? I'd imagine that would be pretty awkward.

[emindead]

Anyone know if DT have ever played Never Enough live? I'd imagine that would be pretty awkward.

They played that in their Systematic Chaos tour here in Colombia. It was lame but everyone (including me) sung along.

[TAC]

Anyone know if DT have ever played Never Enough live? I'd imagine that would be pretty awkward.

Yeah, they've played it plenty of times. Saw it in Boston on Gigantour. James wails on it!

[Implode]

NEVER ENOUGH

PERMANENTLY INSUFFICIENT

ETERNALLY INADEQUATE

INFINITELY OBSOLETE  

FOREVER ALONE

[ariich]

Anyone know if DT have ever played Never Enough live? I'd imagine that would be pretty awkward.

Yeah I saw it live and it was pretty rocking.

[bosk1]

Why would it be awkward? 

[Ħ]

It's a song that bashes the fans.

With Mike gone, I really don't see them playing Never Enough ever again.

[bosk1]

It's a song that bashes the fans.

No, it isn't.

[Ħ]

It's a song that bashes the "fans".

Fix'd.

[bosk1]

You came from MP.com, didn't you?  If you did, I'm sure you remember the very specific group that that song is about.

[Perpetual Change]

It's a song that bashes the "fans".

Fix'd.

[Ħ]

You came from MP.com, didn't you?  If you did, I'm sure you remember the very specific group that that song is about.

I thought it referred to the 5/8ers.  But I don't really visit MP.com.  They are what you would say secular DT fans, from what I've seen.  But we at DTF full out worship the band.

[bosk1]

Oh, for some reason, I thought you were one of the recent migrants from MP.com to here.  There was a very small group of people who WAY crossed the line in calling Mike and and launching personal attacks against Mike and his family.  The song was specifically inspired by them.  It is in no means directed at the fanbase as a whole who may have criticisms or may seem ungrateful.  It was directed at a few individuals who took things way too far and crossed lines people shouldn't cross.

[Ħ]

I see.  I didn't know the recipients of the song message were so specific--I thought it was a general thing.

crossed lines people shouldn't cross.

You could've easily turned that into a nggt.

[bosk1]

Well, in all fairness, it seems a lot more general than it is, which is a good reason why it probably was not a great idea for a song in the first place.  And I also think Mike has intentionally blurred the meaning of the song through the years in such a way that he could imply it is maybe aimed at a much broader base of individuals while still having the ability to claim plausible deniability and say, "oh no, that's not what I meant" if ever called out on the issue.  Again, maybe not the best choice on his part.

[hefdaddy42]

Even more specifically, it was aimed at KevSchmev.  True story, and that's no lie, your honor.

[bosk1]

  And Prophets of War was about William Wallace.

[Perpetual Change]

Well, in all fairness, it seems a lot more general than it is, which is a good reason why it probably was not a great idea for a song in the first place.  And I also think Mike has intentionally blurred the meaning of the song through the years in such a way that he could imply it is maybe aimed at a much broader base of individuals while still having the ability to claim plausible deniability and say, "oh no, that's not what I meant" if ever called out on the issue.  Again, maybe not the best choice on his part.

Actually, I've NEVER heard this story before. I just assumed it was about fans who didn't like Train of Thought. Anyone care to explain?

[Ħ]

He just did.

[Perpetual Change]

No mang. I want links, screencaps, archived threads. Who said what about Mike's family? Details!

[KevShmev]

  There was a very small group of people who WAY crossed the line in calling Mike and and launching personal attacks against Mike and his family.  The song was specifically inspired by them.  It is in no means directed at the fanbase as a whole who may have criticisms or may seem ungrateful.  It was directed at a few individuals who took things way too far and crossed lines people shouldn't cross.

You sure about that?  I thought he said it was directed towards the 1% of their fan base who were complaining about anything and everything.  In other words, the people who were never happy with anything the band did, hence everything they did was never enough for them.

Even more specifically, it was aimed at KevSchmev.  True story, and that's no lie, your honor.

[ariich]

Well, in all fairness, it seems a lot more general than it is, which is a good reason why it probably was not a great idea for a song in the first place.  And I also think Mike has intentionally blurred the meaning of the song through the years in such a way that he could imply it is maybe aimed at a much broader base of individuals while still having the ability to claim plausible deniability and say, "oh no, that's not what I meant" if ever called out on the issue.  Again, maybe not the best choice on his part.

Actually, I've NEVER heard this story before. I just assumed it was about fans who didn't like Train of Thought. Anyone care to explain?

Even by your standards that's a tenuous and strangely specific assumption to make.

[ainamotore]

Well, I'm glad to see that Mike seems to be doing allright, all things considered.

Things aren't always what they seem.

[kartmaze2]

Well, I'm glad to see that Mike seems to be doing allright, all things considered.

Things aren't always what they seem.

True that! But he could've probably done worse than he is...