Dream Theater in God of War III

[Plasmastrike]

I disagree em.  I see where you're coming from though.  You're recognizing a typical criticism of post ToT DT, and applying it do a song that doesn't deserve it.

I've been here for those discussions and, while I think they have some merit, I also think that it's just kinda become the "cool" thing to do when talking about DT.  ToT had a lot of wank, but the criticism that all DT instrumentals or all Jordan instrumentals have become pointless and choppy is becoming a cliche that's not true more than a fraction of the time-- or more than it ever was.

I really like Raw Dog.  I don't think it sounds any more like "A bunch of parts thrown together" than Erotomania or Stream of Consciousness, and it's better than both those songs.  I've only heard Raw Dog once on the AOL radio, but from what I could tell it was pretty straightforward, like a heavier Ytsejam type format without too many changes but a lot of deviation on a similar theme and solo spots.  I think they got the job done. But I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Whoa. What? I love Raw Dog, but love old DT much more. I can assure you that I, and 99% of the people that like old DT more, aren't doing it to be "cool."

[Metropolis Pt. II]

I just heard Raw Dog, and I can a bunch of similar sounding parts/riffs from BC&SL. I thought that was pretty cool since they said they incorporated some previously unused riffs from the album's writing process.

[OperantChamber]

There's nothing hard to understand that it is not a good song, independently if it was written for a video game or not. Want a good videogame song? Check "Melodies of Life" from Final Fantasy IX. As for the standards of what DT has done since ToT, it is a typical song from them.

Haven't you been here where we discuss how as of late certain instrumental parts have nothing to do with the song and almost ruin it because a)they literally are just other songs within the song and b)those instrumentals are not that good?
This is a typical case. Brutal riff after brutal riff after brutal riff and cue fade out is not capturing the essence of a fighting scene. Maybe if I'm not paying attention to the song while I'm playing the game this song can last the seven minutes while in my presence.

It is so random that... meh.

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

[Viper45]

All I know is that this is the first Dream Theater song ever where I heard noise instead of music.  I know that sounds harsh, but it literally makes me want to just turn it off and never listen to it again.  Particularly the beginning and the ending.

I agree with emindead.  It just sounds like a bunch of random stuff thrown together in order to sound brutal.  I hope this isn't a sign of things to come from Dream Theater..

[emindead]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

[black_biff_stadler]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

Why would DT want to write a song that's "beautiful" for a game like God of War? I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to convey but that's what I got. Clarify your point for me if I misread.

[OperantChamber]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

As Raw Dog relates very well to God of War. And out of context, it's extremely enjoyable to me.
What's funny is, I can't say the same about Melodies of Life.

Opinions, opinions.

[antigoon]

The harpejji shit in the beginning messes with me so much.

[Perpetual Change]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

I love Final Fantasy music, and have no idea why you think it would sound good in a game like God of War.

[ddtonfire]

And once again, Dream Theater's music divides their fanbase.

Regardless of us liking it or not, it sounds like they had a lot of fun!

[Jamesman42]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

I love Final Fantasy music, and have no idea why you think it would sound good in a game like God of War.

While I do not agree with em's opinion of Raw Dog, I believe he is saying that the FF song sounds good in AND out of context for its own game. He doesn't think that Raw Dog has the same merit.

[Elsydeon]

It's a bit different. Nobuo Eumatsu's music is being played in the final fantasy games. So of course the music is going to have feeling(beautiful melodies or whatever) to help tell the story.  The roadrunner blood and metal pack is just an album with the god of war 3 logo on it to help promote the game i guess. Personally I liked the track a lot, its a pretty rocking metal instrumental. Comparing it to melodies of life is a bit out there i think.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Raw Dog kicks ass with or without the game. It's just a fucking insane metal song that proves to be very exciting and creative throughout.

[emindead]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

I love Final Fantasy music, and have no idea why you think it would sound good in a game like God of War.

While I do not agree with em's opinion of Raw Dog, I believe he is saying that the FF song sounds good in AND out of context for its own game. He doesn't think that Raw Dog has the same merit.

Thank you, Jamesman. I thought I was quite clear.

[emindead]

Raw Dog kicks ass with or without the game. It's just a fucking insane metal song that proves to be very exciting and creative throughout.

Fanboiness circa 2005!!!

[setrataeso]

The song gets way better in the second half. Part way through the solos, I began to really get into it.
The first half didnt do much for me. However, it certainly fits in with the God of War vibe.

[Perpetual Change]

I'm still not over how awesome the intro and how out of the box it is for DT.  Looks like the guys can still have some surprises left in 'em.

[Jamesman42]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

I love Final Fantasy music, and have no idea why you think it would sound good in a game like God of War.

While I do not agree with em's opinion of Raw Dog, I believe he is saying that the FF song sounds good in AND out of context for its own game. He doesn't think that Raw Dog has the same merit.

Thank you, Jamesman. I thought I was quite clear.

Yeah, but we're on DTF.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Raw Dog kicks ass with or without the game. It's just a fucking insane metal song that proves to be very exciting and creative throughout.

Fanboiness circa 2005!!!

Posted that on the Octavarium forum.

I haven't recieved any respose yet

[inoku]

I'm still not over how awesome the intro and how out of the box it is for DT.  Looks like the guys can still have some surprises left in 'em.

this.. the intro is pure awesome

[juice]

i forgot to mention that MP's bass drum kicks large quantities of ass

[MajorMatt]

On a side note I thought I'd best correct myself on a statement I made earlier in this thread. Tabs has just told us.....

Btw, the person who told me JP had used Drop A was wrong, it's a 7-string in A standard (down a whole step)

https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67548&page=2

Matt

[Mat JB]

Awesome song, great job DT! And yes, it's in A standard, as can be determined from the pedal tone bits on the open E string which is tuned to D at 3:25, and the hammer ons on the A string tuned to G during JP's solo.

[ddtonfire]

On a side note I thought I'd best correct myself on a statement I made earlier in this thread. Tabs has just told us.....

Btw, the person who told me JP had used Drop A was wrong, it's a 7-string in A standard (down a whole step)

https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67548&page=2

Matt

I was wondering this, cause JP's doing pull offs to an open D3, which would probably only be if it's down a whole step. Sorry for spreading the misinformation, that's where I heard it from. 

[Martinman300]

Song is awesome, and for the haters, if they didn't keep changing what they were doing they wouldn't be PROGRESSIVE!

[XianL]

I'm with Zydar and the others who need to take a few listens before they start to really like it, but as a first impression, I'm quite impressed. I just wish it'd be in-game, as I'm definitely picked GoW III up when it's released.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Just out of curiosity, have you played any God of War?
It doesn't exactly lend itself to a Melodies of Life style song.

Have you played Final Fantasy IX? If so, you will notice how that song relates very well to story of the game. And if you take that song out of context, it will still be a beautiful song. Can't say the same about "RAW DOG".

I love Final Fantasy music, and have no idea why you think it would sound good in a game like God of War.

While I do not agree with em's opinion of Raw Dog, I believe he is saying that the FF song sounds good in AND out of context for its own game. He doesn't think that Raw Dog has the same merit.

Thank you, Jamesman. I thought I was quite clear.

Holy shit. Seriously guys.

Some of you love debating but you have two major problems:

A) Your reading abilities are questionable at best
B) You don't give the person you're debating any charity (even if you know exactly what he means, you still give him shit for bad wording, play dumb like you don't understand or just don't try and understand what he's saying in the first place)

Everyone slips and gets sloppy sometimes. Hell, I think I've done it twice this month. But how anyone interpreted what emindead said as, essentially, "Final Fantasy music would sound good in God of War" is beyond me.

[wasp2020]

Listened to it a few times and I can't really recall much from it...it just seems like a big mishmash.
I like that keyboard part in the middle before the solo, and the solo as well.

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

lol Messhugah intro? Will write more later.

[Jamariquay]

I saw someone describe Raw Dog thusly: "It's like Systematic Chaos had drunken sex with The Dance Of Eternity." I lol-ed.

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

Overall, it's quite a catchy song, fits the theme, but nothing near their good works. Well, at least it sounds like GOD OF WAR.

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

I saw someone describe Raw Dog thusly: "It's like Systematic Chaos had drunken sex with The Dance Of Eternity." I lol-ed.

[Perpetual Change]

Holy shit. Seriously guys.

Some of you love debating but you have two major problems:

A) Your reading abilities are questionable at best
B) You don't give the person you're debating any charity (even if you know exactly what he means, you still give him shit for bad wording, play dumb like you don't understand or just don't try and understand what he's saying in the first place)

Everyone slips and gets sloppy sometimes. Hell, I think I've done it twice this month. But how anyone interpreted what emindead said as, essentially, "Final Fantasy music would sound good in God of War" is beyond me.

Just to clarify, I'm not taking any of this "debate" seriously.  So neither should you. 

[Jamesman42]

But you replied seriously to emin.

[Perpetual Change]

But you replied seriously to emin.

I wasn't being serious. I knew what he was saying, but wanted to bust his chops anyway.