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lordxizor

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2024, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on March 20, 2024, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 20, 2024, 05:39:30 AM
seems like he's already learned quite enough from it. he's learned that particular coworker is a douchenozzle
I had a boss once who was a huge asshole. He berated me in front of a couple coworkers once and I was pissed as hell at him, wanted to quit, etc. He was absolutely 100% wrong in the way that he gave me negative feedback. But some of what he said was correct. Had I not been able to step away from my negative feelings about him being an asshole, I would have continued my career doing a disservice to myself through the way I was working. I am now actually thankful that situation happened. Yes, he should have sat me down privately and coached me on how to work better, but I got what I got.
I am a supervisor at my business, and I can tell you that the culture here would 1000% be against your boss's methods, and I'm confident that if someone here pulled that stunt, a group of other supervisors/leaders would pull that boss aside and have a word of prayer with him, so to speak.
The culture/leadership at that company wasn't great. People were mostly scared of the guy. Thankfully I moved to a different boss shortly after (he actually got all his direct reports taken away, so they must have been paying sttention somewhat) and left the company a year or so later. Today, 13+ years more experience later, I would not allow that type of behavior to fly toward myself or anyone else were I to observe it.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: lordxizor on March 20, 2024, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2024, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on March 20, 2024, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 20, 2024, 05:39:30 AM
seems like he's already learned quite enough from it. he's learned that particular coworker is a douchenozzle
I had a boss once who was a huge asshole. He berated me in front of a couple coworkers once and I was pissed as hell at him, wanted to quit, etc. He was absolutely 100% wrong in the way that he gave me negative feedback. But some of what he said was correct. Had I not been able to step away from my negative feelings about him being an asshole, I would have continued my career doing a disservice to myself through the way I was working. I am now actually thankful that situation happened. Yes, he should have sat me down privately and coached me on how to work better, but I got what I got.
I am a supervisor at my business, and I can tell you that the culture here would 1000% be against your boss's methods, and I'm confident that if someone here pulled that stunt, a group of other supervisors/leaders would pull that boss aside and have a word of prayer with him, so to speak.
The culture/leadership at that company wasn't great. People were mostly scared of the guy. Thankfully I moved to a different boss shortly after (he actually got all his direct reports taken away, so they must have been paying sttention somewhat) and left the company a year or so later. Today, 13+ years more experience later, I would not allow that type of behavior to fly toward myself or anyone else were I to observe it.
:tup
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

PMSummer

I've got to vent about something that's been driving me crazy lately. My friend insists on renting his router from his ISP, but it's causing nothing but headaches. Every time we need to use his internet, it's like wading through molasses, and I'm convinced it's because of that rental router they've got him stuck with. I've tried explaining the downsides, showing him articles online, but he won't budge. It's like he's convinced he's getting a deal because he's paying extra each month.

Stadler

Quote from: PMSummer on March 21, 2024, 07:08:03 AM
I've got to vent about something that's been driving me crazy lately. My friend insists on renting his router from his ISP, but it's causing nothing but headaches. Every time we need to use his internet, it's like wading through molasses, and I'm convinced it's because of that rental router they've got him stuck with. I've tried explaining the downsides, showing him articles online, but he won't budge. It's like he's convinced he's getting a deal because he's paying extra each month.

Is he of the sort that will be swayed by the "they're controlling your internet access and monitoring EVERYTHING you do!" angle?  :) :) :)

Lonk

Yeah, if he is not convinced that the savings he gets from having his own unit (assuming he is financially able to buy his own unit) and assurance of better service, then not sure anything can change his mind.

cramx3

I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol

Lonk

Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

cramx3

Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.


I have verizon fios.  I pay for the lowest speed (50Mb) which they dont even offer anymore.  They've been trying to force me to upgrade to a new router and faster (more expensive) plan but I keep ignoring it.  I generally dont have home internet issues or slowness even with the slowest speed.  It's just a non issue for me, kind of like "don't fix what's not broken" which is my mentality for a lot of things when it comes to my home. I do bet if I just bought a router years ago, it would have long ago paid itself off and I'd be saving money though.

Stadler

Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Stadler

Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:41:24 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.


I have verizon fios.  I pay for the lowest speed (50Mb) which they dont even offer anymore.  They've been trying to force me to upgrade to a new router and faster (more expensive) plan but I keep ignoring it.  I generally dont have home internet issues or slowness even with the slowest speed.  It's just a non issue for me, kind of like "don't fix what's not broken" which is my mentality for a lot of things when it comes to my home. I do bet if I just bought a router years ago, it would have long ago paid itself off and I'd be saving money though.

Color me surprised, given all the high-end gaming you do.  That's a lesson for the kids, out there for sure.   I'm paying for the top end version (at the request of the wife, to be fair) and maybe it's a waste of money....  I know I'm not blown away by my internet speeds...

El Barto

My router is "included" in the plan. Which is to say it's rolled into the plan and I'm paying for it whether I use it or not. WIFI is a different story and I will not pay for their gear.

Speed isn't something I care about beyond a certain point. So long as I can DL a movie in a reasonable amount of time I'm fine with it. I think I'm getting 300 down, which is plenty for my purposes.

I will say it's getting harder and harder to get them to come down on their prices. It used to be that if you just called and asked nicely they'd give you the introductory rate. Now they'll just laugh at you for even trying.

cramx3

Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:52:20 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:41:24 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.


I have verizon fios.  I pay for the lowest speed (50Mb) which they dont even offer anymore.  They've been trying to force me to upgrade to a new router and faster (more expensive) plan but I keep ignoring it.  I generally dont have home internet issues or slowness even with the slowest speed.  It's just a non issue for me, kind of like "don't fix what's not broken" which is my mentality for a lot of things when it comes to my home. I do bet if I just bought a router years ago, it would have long ago paid itself off and I'd be saving money though.

Color me surprised, given all the high-end gaming you do.  That's a lesson for the kids, out there for sure.   I'm paying for the top end version (at the request of the wife, to be fair) and maybe it's a waste of money....  I know I'm not blown away by my internet speeds...

Really depends on your household.  It's just two of us in my house and my gf streams TV all the time, but otherwise, isn't pushing the bandwidth.  Gaming is smooth and streaming is smooth if doing both at the same time, which is normal in my house.  If I start say downloading a COD 50G update, it might impact the rest of the household.  Streaming usually works fine, but if my gf wants to do a video meeting for work and I'm doing a download, it may cause issues.  Honestly, a higher bandwidth, the only thing I would find beneficial would be to increase the time to download or update games.  Really don't need anything faster at this point.

I had this same discussion with my dad who was saying he should upgrade to 1G internet, and Im like... Dad, I'm at 50M, you don't need 1G.  Granted some areas the pricing is different so it may make sense for someone else.

King Postwhore

Comcast always updates mine. We have extremely fast internet speed.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

jingle.boy

Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

I was confused at first, as I wasn't distinguishing between "modem" and "router".  The (Bell) modem is part of the plan - that's what brings the TV and Internet service into the house.  It also has a built in wi-fi router in it as well.  There's no additional charge for this device (there is an additional charge for the DVR boxes that connect to the TVs).  I then also have my own (TP-Link) routers so that I have better coverage throughout my home.

So, does PMS' buddy rent additional wi-fi router(s), or is it the modem-router that is being rented?  I interpreted PMS' post that they're paying additional for their own shitty white-labled wi-fi routers, and that's a waste of money.
Quote from: TAC on July 31, 2021, 06:55:07 PMIf I can do it, it's idiot proof.
Quote from: Stadler on January 03, 2024, 09:00:00 AMThat's a word salad - and take it from me, I know word salad
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 04, 2021, 05:14:36 AMI fear for the day when something happens on the right that is SO nuts that even Stadler says "That's crazy".

Stadler

Quote from: jingle.boy on March 21, 2024, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

HAHAHA that got a screen full of coffee.  Nice! :)


jingle.boy

Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: jingle.boy on March 21, 2024, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

HAHAHA that got a screen full of coffee.  Nice! :)

Quote from: TAC on July 31, 2021, 06:55:07 PMIf I can do it, it's idiot proof.
Quote from: Stadler on January 03, 2024, 09:00:00 AMThat's a word salad - and take it from me, I know word salad
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 04, 2021, 05:14:36 AMI fear for the day when something happens on the right that is SO nuts that even Stadler says "That's crazy".

PMSummer

Quote from: jingle.boy on March 21, 2024, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

I was confused at first, as I wasn't distinguishing between "modem" and "router".  The (Bell) modem is part of the plan - that's what brings the TV and Internet service into the house.  It also has a built in wi-fi router in it as well.  There's no additional charge for this device (there is an additional charge for the DVR boxes that connect to the TVs).  I then also have my own (TP-Link) routers so that I have better coverage throughout my home.

So, does PMS' buddy rent additional wi-fi router(s), or is it the modem-router that is being rented?  I interpreted PMS' post that they're paying additional for their own shitty white-labled wi-fi routers, and that's a waste of money.
The latter, I'm pretty sure it's a scam aimed at senior citizens.

Bolsters

Had no idea you guys rented your modem/routers from ISPs over there. Over here ISPs just sell them outright; usually for more than they're worth, often just given away for free in promotions, but at least there's no ongoing cost involved.
Bolstersâ„¢

wolfking

Quote from: Bolsters on March 21, 2024, 05:16:06 PM
Had no idea you guys rented your modem/routers from ISPs over there. Over here ISPs just sell them outright; usually for more than they're worth, often just given away for free in promotions, but at least there's no ongoing cost involved.

We have it pretty damn good over here hey?

Bolsters

Quote from: wolfking on March 21, 2024, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Bolsters on March 21, 2024, 05:16:06 PM
Had no idea you guys rented your modem/routers from ISPs over there. Over here ISPs just sell them outright; usually for more than they're worth, often just given away for free in promotions, but at least there's no ongoing cost involved.

We have it pretty damn good over here hey?
As far as the equipment goes maybe, we get shafted on the service though. :lol
Bolstersâ„¢

Cool Chris

Those bumper stickers that say "Tell your dog I said hi"

What is the message here? Do you have some history with my dog I am unaware of? Are you seeing him without my knowledge? Is he cheating on me? Do you come over when I am at work, rub his belly and give him treats?

Skeever

Quote from: jingle.boy on March 21, 2024, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

I was confused at first, as I wasn't distinguishing between "modem" and "router".  The (Bell) modem is part of the plan - that's what brings the TV and Internet service into the house.  It also has a built in wi-fi router in it as well.  There's no additional charge for this device (there is an additional charge for the DVR boxes that connect to the TVs).  I then also have my own (TP-Link) routers so that I have better coverage throughout my home.

So, does PMS' buddy rent additional wi-fi router(s), or is it the modem-router that is being rented?  I interpreted PMS' post that they're paying additional for their own shitty white-labled wi-fi routers, and that's a waste of money.

I'm one of those guys who has friends who also get a little too invested in my home router situation. I wound up looking into this a little bit ago because a friend of mine was in disbelief that I used the router Comcast provide. I was starting to look at what it would take to upgrade, but I found out what Comcast charge me 15 bucks a month for is not really a "router" as much as it's a "access portal" that is both a modem and a router.

After doing some testing around the house, it's not bad enough for me to throw money for two devices at. I just ran a speed test from the furthest room in my house and got 150 Mbps, and I get like 400 in the living room next to the access portal. Plus I hardwire anything important.

Of course, anytime I've had an issue, I simply call the company and they either remote into the access portal to fix it or send me a few miles away to a store where I pick up a upgraded model. So, not a scam to me, it's a pretty decent service as far as I'm concerned!

King Postwhore

Same for me, Skeever. They mailed the upgrade to me.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

hunnus2000

Quote from: Skeever on March 22, 2024, 04:47:58 AM
Quote from: jingle.boy on March 21, 2024, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Lonk on March 21, 2024, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 07:30:11 AM
I dont even use my own router and I'm an IT guy  :lol
Depending who the provider is, their units can make a huge difference.

At my old apartment, I had Spectrum and their unit was crap. I bought my own unit and my internet speed doubled. When I moved 2 years ago, the only available provider for that area is Verizon. I got their unit (and only use it on Wifi) and it's some of the best internet speed I have ever had. My friend, who lives nearby and also has Verizon, uses his own device and his internet is much slower than mine.

Was the router "on them"?  :)

Do you even router?  :lol

I was confused at first, as I wasn't distinguishing between "modem" and "router".  The (Bell) modem is part of the plan - that's what brings the TV and Internet service into the house.  It also has a built in wi-fi router in it as well.  There's no additional charge for this device (there is an additional charge for the DVR boxes that connect to the TVs).  I then also have my own (TP-Link) routers so that I have better coverage throughout my home.

So, does PMS' buddy rent additional wi-fi router(s), or is it the modem-router that is being rented?  I interpreted PMS' post that they're paying additional for their own shitty white-labled wi-fi routers, and that's a waste of money.

I'm one of those guys who has friends who also get a little too invested in my home router situation. I wound up looking into this a little bit ago because a friend of mine was in disbelief that I used the router Comcast provide. I was starting to look at what it would take to upgrade, but I found out what Comcast charge me 15 bucks a month for is not really a "router" as much as it's a "access portal" that is both a modem and a router.

After doing some testing around the house, it's not bad enough for me to throw money for two devices at. I just ran a speed test from the furthest room in my house and got 150 Mbps, and I get like 400 in the living room next to the access portal. Plus I hardwire anything important.

Of course, anytime I've had an issue, I simply call the company and they either remote into the access portal to fix it or send me a few miles away to a store where I pick up a upgraded model. So, not a scam to me, it's a pretty decent service as far as I'm concerned!

Normally I would recommend a repeater if you're hardwired but I can't imagine you would be experiencing attenuation in your house. I go wireless for our use and an extender for upstairs.

King Postwhore

Power out since 2 am.  Since I use a C-pap, I have been awake since 2 am.  Fuck.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

King Postwhore

I feel like I have a hang over. No c-pap, no sleep.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

Jamesman42

I use a CPAP, and when we had a hurricane over a year ago, the power went out and I was up for over 24 hours with two little kids. We then bought a backup battery for the next time because yeah, it feels like you are just hung over.
\o\ lol /o/

King Postwhore

Yeah and I'm going to a concert tonight.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

pg1067

This falls under the general header of people are inconsiderate:

I went to Farmer Boys for lunch today, and some a-hole a couple tables over was watching videos on his phone with the volume up.  Not so loud that I really felt the need to say something, but loud enough to be occasionally annoying (especially when mixed with the music playing on the restaurant's speakers).  Get a damn pair of headphones!

cramx3

Quote from: pg1067 on March 25, 2024, 02:50:43 PM
This falls under the general header of people are inconsiderate:

I went to Farmer Boys for lunch today, and some a-hole a couple tables over was watching videos on his phone with the volume up.  Not so loud that I really felt the need to say something, but loud enough to be occasionally annoying (especially when mixed with the music playing on the restaurant's speakers).  Get a damn pair of headphones!

I HATE this so much.  No consideration for anyone else?

Skeever

Quote from: pg1067 on March 25, 2024, 02:50:43 PM
This falls under the general header of people are inconsiderate:

I went to Farmer Boys for lunch today, and some a-hole a couple tables over was watching videos on his phone with the volume up.  Not so loud that I really felt the need to say something, but loud enough to be occasionally annoying (especially when mixed with the music playing on the restaurant's speakers).  Get a damn pair of headphones!

I've noticed this so much since they got rid of headphone jacks. People would buy a shitty $5 pair of CVS earbuds in the past if they lost their pair, but now that phones don't even come earbuds anymore and the "cheap" bluetooth earbuds are like $35, there's a type of person who just says "fuck it".

Chino

Don't even get me started on Bluetooth speakers on the golf course. If I were a king, such behavior you land you in a sand trap for a week as punishment. 

emtee

Read a piece today that California and possibly a few other states are seriously considering an "exit tax" for people moving out. Man, that seems unconstitutional to me but whatever. One thing is for sure, I would NEVER return to any state that penalized me for leaving.

TAC

Quote from: emtee on April 24, 2024, 06:18:35 AM
Read a piece today that California and possibly a few other states are seriously considering an "exit tax" for people moving out. Man, that seems unconstitutional to me but whatever. One thing is for sure, I would NEVER return to any state that penalized me for leaving.

I'm not sure there's anything good coming out of California. It's a nice place to visit, but man, they want your money.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol