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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2021, 09:25:09 AM »
Kinda surprised to see In The Name of God in danger of relegation, but again, this is the heavyweight division, every song continously losing would be a surprise....

Very surprising given that this division includes stuff like The Mirror and Lines in the Sand, both of which most folks seemingly like way more than I do.  That said, and without checking, I believe ITNOG has had a brutal schedule thus far, and I expect it to rise up a bit.
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« Reply #141 on: March 13, 2021, 09:23:47 AM »
The Albums  Week 8 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56272.0
1.   Falling into Infinity defeats The Astonishing 15-11 
2.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats When Dream and Day Unite 24-2 
3.   Images and Words defeats Systematic Chaos 23-3
4.   Distance over Time defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 18-8
5.   Octavarium defeats Dream Theater 19-7 
6.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Train of Thought 18-8
7.   Awake defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-12


The Album Standings after Week 8 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 8-0 (+177)
2. Images & Words 8-0 (+117) 
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-2 (+89) 
4. Awake 6-2 (+57)
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events 6-2 (+26) 
6. Octavarium 5-3 (+15)
7. Distance over Time 4-4 (-14) 
8. Falling Into Infinity 4-4 (-33)   
9. Train of Thought 3-5 (-37)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-5 (-60)
11. Dream Theater 2-6 (-68)
12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-7 (-79)
13. The Astonishing 0-8 (-94)
14. Systematic Chaos 0-8 (-96)

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« Reply #142 on: March 13, 2021, 10:15:58 AM »
With a direct victory against it, Awake reaches Six Degrees at the 6-2 ranking.

The Astonishing still has only defeats, but it fought hard enough to overtake Systematic Chaos' penultimate position.
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« Reply #143 on: March 13, 2021, 11:06:12 AM »
Iím kind of hoping DoC found a way to put off the SFaM/IaW matchup until the final week.
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« Reply #144 on: March 17, 2021, 07:15:08 AM »
Division 3, Week 11 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56285.0
1.   New Millennium defeats Paralyzed 13-9 
2.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Out of Reach 16-6
3.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Vacant 13-9 
4.   Hollow Years defeats Lord Nafaryus 15-7
5.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Gift of Music 15-7
6.   The Enemy Inside defeats Ravenskill 12-9 
7.   The Silent Man defeats Wither 12-10 
8.   A Life Left Behind defeats A Better Life 10-8
9.   Three Days & Forsaken tied 11-11 
10.   Constant Motion defeats Dystopian Overture 15-7 
11.   The Bigger Picture defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 17-5
12.   The Killing Hand & A Nightmare to Remember tied 11-11 
13.   One Last Time defeats Through Her Eyes 12-10 
14.   Ytse Jam defeats The Shattered Fortress 13-8
15.   Honor Thy Father defeats Beneath the Surface 12-10
16.   Raise the Knife defeats The Path That Divides 13-8 


Division 3 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 11-0 (+116)
3. Only a Matter of Time 11-0 (+60)
3. The Killing Hand 10-0-1 (+72) 
4. Raise the Knife 10-1 (+61)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 10-1 (+54)   
6. Ytse Jam 9-1-1 (+57)
7. Honor Thy Father 8-2-1 (+12)
8. One Last Time 8-3 (+64)
9. Through Her Eyes 7-3-1 (+20)
10. Wither 7-4 (+12)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 6-4-1 (+28)
12. The Path That Divides 6-4-1 (-3)
13. The Silent Man 5-4-2 (+22) 
14. Beneath the Surface 6-5 (+17) 
15. The Shattered Fortress 6-5 (+9)
16. New Millennium 6-5 (+5)
17. The Enemy Inside 6-5 (-2)
18. Constant Motion 5-5-1 (-3) 
19. The Bigger Picture 5-6 (+12)
20. Hollow Years 4-6-1 (+24)
21. Out of Reach 4-7 (-32)
22. The Gift of Music 3-7-1 (-27)
23. Three Days 2-7-2 (-20)
24. Paralyzed 3-8 (-31)
25. Vacant 2-8-1 (-39) 
26. A Life Left Behind 2-9 (-23)
27. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-9 (-99)
28. Forsaken 1-9-1 (-31)   
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-9-1 (-65) 
30. A Better Life 1-10 (-61) 
31. Dystopian Overture 1-10 (-82)
32. Ravenskill 0-11 (-83)

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #145 on: March 17, 2021, 07:57:13 AM »
Two undefeated songs at the top.... and the relegation slots completely occupied by Astonishing songs, two of which among the best songs on the album! gaaaaah
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« Reply #146 on: March 17, 2021, 08:08:12 AM »
I was thinking that about Ravenskill especially. It really is a great song..It got me thinking, since some of the TA songs are losing to what I would guess are songs that aren't that popular (Foresaken for example). Do a fair amount of people, because they just don't care for TA, not know the songs well? I wonder if so, and if they actually did know, then a song like Ravenskill would do better.

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #147 on: March 17, 2021, 10:04:43 AM »
I was thinking that about Ravenskill especially. It really is a great song..It got me thinking, since some of the TA songs are losing to what I would guess are songs that aren't that popular (Foresaken for example). Do a fair amount of people, because they just don't care for TA, not know the songs well? I wonder if so, and if they actually did know, then a song like Ravenskill would do better.

I can only speak for myself, but I rank TA last among DT's albums.  It took me a LONG time before I really felt I had given the album a fair opportunity.  I finally got to that point a couple years ago, but I still don't feel like I know the individual songs well.  The reason for that -- which is also my biggest complaint about TA -- is that there is a HUGE amount of sameness on the album.  Soft piano/keyboard passages and mid-tempo Broadway rock segments.  I had a very hard time distinguishing one song from another (there's one song that starts off a bit like a Dixie Dregs song that I kind of like, but I can never remember its name and have a hard time finding it).  I would vote for almost any non-TA song over every TA song (the exceptions in this group being New Millennium and Honor Thy Father, both of which I actively dislike).  When TA songs are pitted against each other, I abstain.

With that said, upon reading your post, I popped open Ravenskill and listened.  I was tempted to turn it off somewhere between the 1:00 - 2:00 mark because it was just boring.  When the heavy stuff kicked in, that was kinda nice, but it was fairly generic and didn't last too long.  Then it went back to the soft piano stuff with a bit of Broadway mixed in.  All in all, it was everything I don't care for about TA.  I give DT all the props in the world for trying something so ambitious.  The performances are good, and JLB is lights out on the album, but it's ultimately not for me.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #148 on: March 18, 2021, 07:22:35 AM »
Even though I really like The Astonishing, most of the songs therein work much better as parts of the whole rather than as individual songs, at least IMO.  So I'm not the least bit surprised at these results.

There are only a few that I would expect to do fairly well in this kind of competition (The Gift of Music, Our New World, maybe 1 or 2 others).
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« Reply #149 on: March 18, 2021, 08:51:22 AM »
Even though I really like The Astonishing, most of the songs therein work much better as parts of the whole rather than as individual songs, at least IMO.  So I'm not the least bit surprised at these results.

There are only a few that I would expect to do fairly well in this kind of competition (The Gift of Music, Our New World, maybe 1 or 2 others).

I second this notion. I quite like Dystopian Overture, A Life Left Behind, A New Beginning, and Our New World and I listen to them outside of the album, but the reality is that most of these songs donít work out of the context of the album. And since the album is so long itís quite hard to find the time to listen to it in full. So even though I do love The Astonishing, itís easily my least listened to Dream Theater album.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #150 on: March 18, 2021, 09:50:19 AM »
Digging the convo on TA. By all means keep it up and don't mind the data dump!


Division 2, Week 11
1.   As I Am defeats This is the Life 14-6
2.   Barstool Warrior defeats Innocence Faded 12-8 
3.   The Great Debate defeats Surrender to Reason 11-9 
4.   Peruvian Skies defeats Untethered Angel 14-6 
5.   Stream of Consciousness defeats S2N 13-7
6.   Pale Blue Dot & Behind the Veil tied 10-10
7.   The Root of All Evil defeats Outcry 14-6 
8.   Space-Dye Vest defeats A New Beginning 16-4
9.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Lie 15-5
10.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Caught in a Web 11-9
11.   On the Backs of Angels defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 15-5
12.   Another Day defeats Fall into the Light 11-9
13.   Strange Deja vu defeats Endless Sacrifice 14-6 
14.   Wait For Sleep defeats These Walls 11-9
15.   Overture 1928 defeats This Dying Soul 14-6
16.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Panic Attack 11-9


Division 2 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 11-0 (+143)
2. Space-Dye Vest 11-0 (+101) 
3. The Root of All Evil 10-0-1 (+97)
4. Overture 1928 10-0-1 (+66)
5. Hellís Kitchen 9-0-2 (+71)
6. Wait for Sleep 9-2 (+57)
7. The Great Debate 9-2 (+42)
8. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 8-1-2 (+27)
9. Stream of Consciousness 8-2-1 (+61)
10. Another Day 5-2-4 (+38) 
11. This Dying Soul 6-3-2 (+35)
12. The Dance of Eternity 7-4 (+29)
13. Panic Attack 6-4-1 (+29)
14. Pale Blue Dot 6-4-1 (+16)
15. Barstool Warrior 4-3-4 (+16)
16. Peruvian Skies 6-5 (-18)   
17. These Walls 5-5-1 (-1)
18 Caught in a Web 5-6 (0)   
19. Endless Sacrifice 4-5-2 (-9)
20. As I Am 4-7 (-16)     
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-7 (-17)
22. Innocence Faded 3-7-1 (-33)
23. Lie 3-8 (-30) 
24. S2N 2-8-1 (-41)
25. A New Beginning 2-8-1 (-47) 
26. Fall into the Light 2-9 (-51)
27. This is the Life 2-9 (-92)
28. Outcry 1-10 (-56) 
29. Surrender to Reason 0-10-1 (-84)
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-10-1 (-88) 
31. Behind the Veil 0-10-1 (-89)
32. Untethered Angel 0-11 (-136) 

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #151 on: March 18, 2021, 09:59:10 AM »
This is the SDV division  :D

As for personal preferences go, Hell's Kitchen and Great Debate have no business being so high, and Lie shouldn't be so low.
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« Reply #152 on: March 19, 2021, 06:44:50 AM »
Division 1, Week 11 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56293.0
1.   Home defeats At Witís End 19-3
2.   Take the Time defeats Disappear 13-9
3.   A Change of Seasons defeats 6:00 20-1 
4.   Learning to Live defeats Surrounded 20-2 
5.   Metropolis defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-4 
6.   Trial of Tears defeats Blind Faith 14-8
7.   Voices defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-8
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Mirror 18-4 
9.   Lines in the Sand defeats Misunderstood 12-10
10.   Beyond This Life defeats Erotomania 14-8 
11.   Finally Free defeats Pull Me Under 15-7   
12.   Scarred defeats The Spirit Carries On 16-6
13.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Illumination Theory 14-8
14.   Under a Glass Moon defeats In the Name of God 12-10
15.   The Count of Tuscany defeats The Glass Prison 12-10
16.   Octavarium defeats Breaking All Illusions 16-6 


Division 1 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 11-0 (+188)
2. Learning to Live 11-0 (+162)
3. Metropolis 11-0 (+154)
4. Octavarium 10-1 (+125)
5. Voices 10-1 (+53)
6. Breaking All Illusions 9-2 (+81)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 8-2-1 (+59)
8. Home 8-2-1 (+46)
9. Take the Time 8-3 (+25)
10. Scarred 8-3 (+2)
11. The Count of Tuscany 7-3-1 (+31)
12. Finally Free 7-4 (+22) 
13. Fatal Tragedy 6-5 (+28)
14. Under a Glass Moon 5-4-2 (-21)   
15. Surrounded 6-5 (-28)
16. Trial of Tears 5-5-1 (-4)
17. Lines in the Sand 5-5-1 (-9)   
18. The Mirror 5-6 (-12) 
19. Beyond this Life 5-6 (-23) 
20. In the Presence of Enemies 4-6-1 (-25)   
21. The Glass Prison 4-7 (-33)   
22. The Spirit Carries On 4-7 (-45)
23. Blind Faith 3-7-1 (-45) 
24. Erotomania 3-8 (-63) 
25. At Witís End 3-8 (-66)
26. Pull Me Under 2-8-1 (-98)
27. Illumination Theory 0-9-2 (-69)
28. 6:00 1-10 (-100)
29. In the Name of God 0-10-1 (-60)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-10-1 (-87)
31. Disappear 0-11 (-92)
32. Misunderstood 0-11 (-116)


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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #153 on: March 19, 2021, 07:31:13 AM »
Octavarium was booted from the "no defeats" club, but it bounces back fending off the attack of another heavyweight, Breaking All Illusions! this means that it can continue to share the "only one defeat" track record alongside with Voices.

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« Reply #154 on: March 19, 2021, 09:17:30 AM »

29. In the Name of God 0-10-1 (-60)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-10-1 (-87)
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32. Misunderstood 0-11 (-116)


I know it's all about the matchups, but these are serious head scratchers.
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« Reply #155 on: March 20, 2021, 06:37:13 AM »
The Albums Ė Week 9 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56299.0
1.   Train of Thought defeats When Dream and Day Unite 14-9
2.   Octavarium defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 19-4
3.   Distance over Time defeats The Astonishing 14-8
4.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Systematic Chaos 16-7
5.   Images and Words defeats Dream Theater 23-0
6.   Awake defeats Falling into Infinity 21-2 
7.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 19-4 


The Album Standings after Week 9 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 9-0 (+192)
*2. Images & Words 9-0 (+140) 
3. Awake 7-2 (+76)
4. A Dramatic Turn of Events 7-2 (+35)   
5. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-3 (+74) 
6. Octavarium 6-3 (+30)
7. Distance over Time 5-4 (-8) 
8. Train of Thought 4-5 (-32)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 4-5 (-52)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-6 (-75)
11. Dream Theater 2-7 (-91)
12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-8 (-84)
13. The Astonishing 0-9 (-100)
14. Systematic Chaos 0-9 (-105)


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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #156 on: March 20, 2021, 06:49:01 AM »
Shouldn't Six Degrees be behnd the two albums with 7 victories?
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #157 on: March 20, 2021, 07:27:33 AM »
Whoops. Yep. Forgot to update the order. Fixed now.

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« Reply #158 on: March 20, 2021, 07:37:29 AM »
Can we call Six Degrees being surpassed.... a dramatic turn of events?  ;D
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« Reply #159 on: March 24, 2021, 07:54:37 AM »
Division 3, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56312.0
1.   The Bigger Picture & Dystopian Overture tied 11-11
2.   Three Days defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 13-8
3.   The Killing Hand defeats A Better Life 18-3
4.   Constant Motion defeats Vacant 15-7
5.   Wither defeats Forsaken 12-10 
6.   Honor Thy Father defeats A Life Left Behind 13-8 
7.   The Silent Man defeats Ravenskill 12-10
8.   Beneath the Surface defeats The Path That Divides 12-10
9.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Paralyzed 14-7
10.   The Gift of Music defeats The Enemy Inside 12-10 
11.   New Millennium defeats Hollow Years 14-8
12.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Out of Reach 16-6
13.   One Last Time defeats Lord Nafaryus 16-6
14.   Raise the Knife defeats Through Her Eyes 11-10
15.   Only a Matter of Time & A Nightmare to Remember tied 11-11
16.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Ytse Jam 12-10


Division 3 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 12-0 (+126)
2. The Killing Hand 11-0-1 (+87) 
3. Only a Matter of Time 11-0-1 (+60) 
4. Raise the Knife 11-1 (+62)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 11-1 (+56)   
6. Ytse Jam 9-2-1 (+55)
7. Honor Thy Father 9-2-1 (+17)
8. One Last Time 9-3 (+74)
9. Wither 8-4 (+14)
10. Through Her Eyes 7-4-1 (+19)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 6-4-2 (+28)
12. The Silent Man 6-4-2 (+24)   
13. Beneath the Surface 7-5 (+19) 
14. The Shattered Fortress 7-5 (+16)
15. New Millennium 7-5 (+11) 
16. Constant Motion 6-5-1 (+5)   
17. The Path That Divides 6-5-1 (-5)
18. The Enemy Inside 6-6 (-4)
19. The Bigger Picture 5-6-1 (+12)
20. Hollow Years 4-7-1 (+30)
21. The Gift of Music 4-7-1 (-25) 
22. Three Days 3-7-2 (-15)
23. Out of Reach 4-8 (-42)
24. Paralyzed 3-9 (-38)
25. Vacant 2-9-1 (-47) 
26. A Life Left Behind 2-10 (-28)
27. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-10 (-104)
28. Forsaken 1-10-1 (-33)   
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-10-1 (-75) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-10-1 (-82)
31. A Better Life 1-11 (-76) 
32. Ravenskill 0-12 (-85)

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #160 on: March 24, 2021, 08:10:46 AM »
Looks like there's 5 songs fighting for 4 slots at the top, who knows if there will be comebacks from those detached by 2 victories.

And gaaah at the unsurprising bottom remaining unchanged, with all Astonishing songs and Ravenskill not catching a break.
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« Reply #161 on: March 25, 2021, 07:43:24 AM »
Division 2, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56319.0
1.   As I Am defeats On the Backs of Angels 18-7
2.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Fall into the Light 18-6 
3.   Panic Attack defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 17-8 
4.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Caught in a Web 16-9 
5.   Space-Dye Vest defeats These Walls 19-6 
6.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Outcry 15-10
7.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Lie 13-12 
8.   Overture 1928 defeats A New Beginning 21-4 
9.   The Root of All Evil defeats Pale Blue Dot 15-10
10.   Strange Deja vu defeats S2N 18-7
11.   This Dying Soul defeats Peruvian Skies 13-11
12.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Innocence Faded 16-9
13.   This is the Life defeats Untethered Angel 15-10
14.   Surrender to Reason defeats Behind the Veil 15-9 
15.   Barstool Warrior defeats The Great Debate 13-12 
16.   Another Day defeats Wait for Sleep 13-12


Division 2 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 12-0 (+154)
2. Space-Dye Vest 12-0 (+114) 
3. The Root of All Evil 11-0-1 (+102)
4. Overture 1928 11-0-1 (+83)
5. Hellís Kitchen 10-0-2 (+78)
6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 9-1-2 (+32)
7. Stream of Consciousness 9-2-1 (+68)
8. Wait for Sleep 9-3 (+56)
9. The Great Debate 9-3 (+41)
10. The Dance of Eternity 8-4 (+41)
11. Another Day 6-2-4 (+39) 
12. This Dying Soul 7-3-2 (+37)
13. Panic Attack 7-4-1 (+38)
14. Barstool Warrior 5-3-4 (+17) 
15. Pale Blue Dot 6-5-1 (+11)
16. Endless Sacrifice 5-5-2 (-8)
17. Peruvian Skies 6-6 (-20)   
18. These Walls 5-6-1 (-14)
19 Caught in a Web 5-7 (-7)   
20. As I Am 5-7 (-5)     
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-8 (-28)
22. Innocence Faded 3-8-1 (-33)
23. Lie 3-9 (-31) 
24. This is the Life 3-9 (-87) 
25. S2N 2-9-1 (-52)
26. A New Beginning 2-9-1 (-64) 
27. Fall into the Light 2-10 (-63)
28. Surrender to Reason 1-10-1 (-78) 
29. Outcry 1-11 (-61) 
30. Behind the Veil 0-11-1 (-95)
31. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-11-1 (-97) 
32. Untethered Angel 0-12 (-141) 

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #162 on: March 25, 2021, 08:02:25 AM »
All the instrumentals are in the top ten, and one of them is posed to qualify as of now.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #163 on: March 26, 2021, 07:03:30 AM »
Division 1, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56321.0
1.   In the Name of God defeats Disappear 13-9 
2.   Blind Faith defeats Illumination Theory 16-6 
3.   Home defeats Erotomania 18-4 
4.   The Count of Tuscany & Pull Me Under tied 11-11 
5.   Take the Time defeats 6:00 18-4 
6.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-5
7.   The Mirror defeats Misunderstood 14-8
8.   Breaking All Illusions defeats At Witís End 17-5
9.   Under a Glass Moon defeats The Spirit Carries On 12-10 
10.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Surrounded 12-10 
11.   Voices defeats The Glass Prison 12-10
12.   Finally Free defeats Lines in the Sand 14-8
13.   Scarred defeats Trial of Tears 15-7
14.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Beyond This Life 15-7
15.   Learning to Live defeats Octavarium 12-10
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Metropolis 15-7 


Division 1 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 12-0 (+196)
2. Learning to Live 12-0 (+164)
3. Metropolis 11-1 (+146)
4. Voices 11-1 (+55) 
5. Octavarium 10-2 (+123)
6. Breaking All Illusions 10-2 (+93)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-2-1 (+71)
8. Home 9-2-1 (+60)
9. Take the Time 9-3 (+39)
10. Scarred 9-3 (+10)
11. The Count of Tuscany 7-3-2 (+31)
12. Finally Free 8-4 (+28) 
13. Fatal Tragedy 7-5 (+36)
14. Under a Glass Moon 6-4-2 (-19)   
15. The Mirror 6-6 (-6)   
16. Surrounded 6-6 (-30)
17. Lines in the Sand 5-6-1 (-3)   
18. Trial of Tears 5-6-1 (-12)
19. In the Presence of Enemies 5-6-1 (-23)   
20. Beyond this Life 5-7 (-31) 
21. The Glass Prison 4-8 (-35)   
22. The Spirit Carries On 4-8 (-47)
23. Blind Faith 4-7-1 (-35) 
24. Erotomania 3-9 (-77) 
25. At Witís End 3-9 (-78)
26. Pull Me Under 2-8-2 (-98)
27. In the Name of God 1-10-1 (-56) 
28. Illumination Theory 0-10-2 (-79)
29. 6:00 1-11 (-114)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-11-1 (-99)
31. Disappear 0-12 (-96)
32. Misunderstood 0-12 (-122)

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #164 on: March 26, 2021, 07:47:51 AM »
Earthquake at the top! in two of the most defining matches of the season, A Change of Seasons keeps the lead resisting Metropolis' assault - this means that Metropolis is now third because the other top dog, Learning to Live, defeated Octavarium which sent the song at the FIFTH place, surpassed by Voices which now has a 11-1 score just like Metropolis!

At the bottom the bigass epic Illumination Theory climbs out of the danger, leaving 6:00 in it.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #165 on: March 26, 2021, 09:17:58 AM »
Also, ITNOG finally got it's long overdue first win.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #166 on: March 27, 2021, 07:05:53 AM »
The Albums Ė Week 10 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56323.0

1.   The Astonishing defeats When Dream and Day Unite 13-12 
2.   Distance over Time defeats Dream Theater 15-10
3.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 24-0
4.   Train of Thought defeats Systematic Chaos 18-7
5.   Octavarium defeats Falling into Infinity 20-5 
6.   Awake defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 16-9
7.   Images & Words defeats Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 13-12


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The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Images & Words 10-0 (+141)   
*2. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 9-1 (+191)
*3. Awake 8-2 (+83)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 7-3 (+98)   
5. Octavarium 7-3 (+45) 
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 7-3 (+28)   
7. Distance over Time 6-4 (-3) 
8. Train of Thought 5-5 (-21)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 4-6 (-67)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-7 (-99)
11. Dream Theater 2-8 (-96)
X12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-9 (-85)
X13. The Astonishing 1-9 (-99)
X14. Systematic Chaos 0-10 (-116)



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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #167 on: March 27, 2021, 07:23:44 AM »
Whaaat? last I checked the polls SFAM and the debut were winning, in the diametrically opposed more intriguing matches.... but the tables turned last minute!

This means that Images and Words is alone at the top and very likely to win the entire tournament, while The Astonishing snatches a victory and leaves Systematic Chaos at the bottom with 0 wins!
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2021, 05:39:49 AM »
Illumination Theory somehow finds itself above the drop zone despite not winning a match yet.

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #169 on: March 31, 2021, 07:17:06 AM »
Division 3, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56332.0
1.   One Last Time defeats New Millennium 14-10
2.   The Silent Man defeats The Gift of Music 13-11
3.   Ytse Jam & Constant Motion tied 12-12 
4.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Paralyzed 17-7
5.   The Bigger Picture defeats Vacant 14-10
6.   The Path That Divides & A Life Left Behind tied 11-11
7.   Forsaken defeats Ravenskill 13-11 
8.   Wither defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 17-7
9.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats A Better Life 17-7
10.   Three Days defeats Dystopian Overture 14-8
11.   Raise the Knife defeats Lord Nafaryus 13-9 
12.   The Enemy Inside defeats Out of Reach 14-10
13.   The Shattered Fortress & Hollow Years tied 12-12 
14.   Through Her Eyes defeats Beneath the Surface 15-10
15.   Honor Thy Father defeats The Killing Hand 12-11
16.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Sacrificed Sons 12-11



Division 3 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Only a Matter of Time 12-0-1 (+61)   
2. Sacrificed Sons 12-1 (+125)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 12-1 (+66)   
3. Raise the Knife 12-1 (+66)
5. The Killing Hand 11-1-1 (+86) 
6. Honor Thy Father 10-2-1 (+18)
7. One Last Time 10-3 (+78)
8. Ytse Jam 9-2-2 (+55) 
9. Wither 9-4 (+24)
10. Through Her Eyes 8-4-1 (+24)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 7-4-2 (+38)
12. The Silent Man 7-4-2 (+26)   
13. The Shattered Fortress 7-5-1 (+16) 
14. Beneath the Surface 7-6 (+14) 
15. New Millennium 7-6 (+7) 
16. Constant Motion 6-5-2 (+5)   
17. The Enemy Inside 7-6 (0)
18. The Path That Divides 6-5-2 (-5)
19. The Bigger Picture 6-6-1 (+16)
20. Hollow Years 4-7-2 (+30)
21. Three Days 4-7-2 (-9) 
22. The Gift of Music 4-8-1 (-27) 
23. Out of Reach 4-9 (-46)
24. Paralyzed 3-10 (-48)
25. A Life Left Behind 2-10-1 (-28) 
26. Forsaken 2-10-1 (-31)   
27. Vacant 2-10-1 (-51) 
28. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-11 (-114)
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-11-1 (-79) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-11-1 (-88)
31. A Better Life 1-12 (-86) 
32. Ravenskill 0-13 (-87)



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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #170 on: March 31, 2021, 07:26:34 AM »
The big match shakes the standings! Only a Matter of Time aims for the king and does not miss - victory over Sacrificed Sons and the leadership taken over from that very song!

At the bottom it's the usual Astonishing sucks-fest, but Ravenskill came THIS close to win over Forsaken, gah!
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« Reply #171 on: April 01, 2021, 07:34:59 AM »
Division 2, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56335.0
1.   As I Am defeats Untethered Angel 19-3
2.   Barstool Warrior defeats Behind the Veil 15-7
3.   This Dying Soul defeats This is the Life 13-9 
4.   Strange Deja vu defeats Innocence Faded 18-4 
5.   The Root of All Evil defeats Surrender to Reason 13-9
6.   Peruvian Skies defeats A New Beginning 12-9
7.   S2N defeats Lie 13-9
8.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Pale Blue Dot 13-9
9.   Overture 1928 defeats These Walls 12-10
10.   Endless Sacrifice & Caught in a Web tied 11-11
11.   Outcry defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-9
12.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Fall into the Light 15-6 
13.   Panic Attack defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-6
14.   The Great Debate defeats Stream of Consciousness 13-9
15.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Another Day 15-7
16.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Wait for Sleep 12-10



Division 2 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 13-0 (+168)
2. Space-Dye Vest 13-0 (+122) 
3. The Root of All Evil 12-0-1 (+106)
4. Overture 1928 12-0-1 (+85)
5. Hellís Kitchen 11-0-2 (+87)
6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 10-1-2 (+36)
7. The Great Debate 10-3 (+45)
8. Stream of Consciousness 9-3-1 (+64)
9. Wait for Sleep 9-4 (+54)
10. The Dance of Eternity 9-4 (+43)
11. This Dying Soul 8-3-2 (+41)
12. Panic Attack 8-4-1 (+48)
13. Another Day 6-3-4 (+31) 
14. Barstool Warrior 6-3-4 (+25) 
15. Pale Blue Dot 6-6-1 (+15)
16. Endless Sacrifice 5-5-3 (-8)
17. Peruvian Skies 7-6 (-17)   
18. As I Am 6-7 (+11)       
19 Caught in a Web 5-7-1 (-7)     
20. These Walls 5-7-1 (-16)
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-9 (-38)
22. Innocence Faded 3-9-1 (-47)
23. S2N 3-9-1 (-48)
24. Lie 3-10 (-35) 
25. This is the Life 3-10 (-91) 
26. A New Beginning 2-10-1 (-67) 
27. Outcry 2-11 (-58)   
28. Fall into the Light 2-11 (-72)
29. Surrender to Reason 1-11-1 (-82) 
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-12-1 (-100)   
31. Behind the Veil 0-12-1 (-103)
32. Untethered Angel 0-13 (-157) 


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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #172 on: April 02, 2021, 11:06:00 AM »
Division 1, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56337.0
1.   Misunderstood defeats Bridges in the Sky 11-8
2.   In the Name of God defeats 6:00 12-7
3.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Disappear 11-8 
4.   Learning to Live defeats At Witís End 17-2 
5.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Erotomania 13-6
6.   Scarred defeats Illumination Theory 14-5
7.   Surrounded defeats The Glass Prison 10-9
8.   Beyond This Life defeats Blind Faith 11-8 
9.   Voices defeats Pull Me Under 14-5
10.   Finally Free defeats The Mirror 11-8 
11.   Trial of Tears defeats Under a Glass Moon 10-8
12.   Octavarium defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-5
13.   Lines in the Sand defeats The Count of Tuscany 10-9 
14.   Metropolis defeats Take the Time 14-4
15.   Home defeats Breaking All Illusions 10-9 
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 13-6



Division 1 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 13-0 (+203)
2. Learning to Live 13-0 (+179)
3. Metropolis 12-1 (+156)
4. Voices 12-1 (+64) 
5. Octavarium 11-2 (+132)
6. Home 10-2-1 (+61)
7. Breaking All Illusions 10-3 (+92)
8. Scarred 10-3 (+19)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-3-1 (+64)
10. Finally Free 9-4 (+31)   
11. Take the Time 9-4 (+29)
12. Fatal Tragedy 8-5 (+43)
13. The Count of Tuscany 7-4-2 (+30)
14. Under a Glass Moon 6-5-2 (-21)   
15. Surrounded 7-6 (-29)
16. Lines in the Sand 6-6-1 (-2)   
17. Trial of Tears 6-6-1 (-10) 
18. The Mirror 6-7 (-9)   
19. Beyond this Life 6-7 (-28)   
20. In the Presence of Enemies 5-7-1 (-32)   
21. The Spirit Carries On 5-8 (-44) 
22. Blind Faith 4-8-1 (-38)   
23. The Glass Prison 4-9 (-36)   
24. Erotomania 3-10 (-84) 
25. At Witís End 3-10 (-93)
26. Pull Me Under 2-9-2 (-107)
27. In the Name of God 2-10-1 (-51) 
28. Illumination Theory 0-11-2 (-88)
29. 6:00 1-12 (-119)
29. Misunderstood 1-12 (-119)
31. Bridges in the Sky 0-12-1 (-102)
32. Disappear 0-13 (-99)

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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #173 on: April 02, 2021, 04:29:08 PM »
Nothing changes at the top.

Impressive how both Metropolis and Voices have the same score, having won all matches but one, but Metropolis is massively in the lead when it comes to actual votes difference.... Metropolis wins everything in a landslide, Voices has to battle.
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Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
« Reply #174 on: April 02, 2021, 05:37:19 PM »
Irritated at myself for missing division 1.

My votes would have turned 3 of those wins into ties.
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