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Title: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 02, 2020, 12:16:43 PM
Past seasons of the league.
2019 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53461.0
2016 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44826
2015 -  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42658.0
2014 -  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39921.0
2013 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0

Dream Theater the League Ė 2021

Hello friends! After having off for 2020 (what a yeah, huh?) the DT League will return to a Polls and Survivors forum near you very soon.  We will be going back to the Division format to ensure a somewhat level playing field. Division 1 shall consist of the Top 32 songs from the 2019 season. Division 2 will be songs 33-64. Division 3 shall consist of songs 65-93, and the top 3 songs of the ďPlay in TournamentĒ that will be completed in advance of the 2021 season.

Once the 2021 season begins, we will have a 20 week schedule followed by album tournaments, and 16 song tournaments for each Division. Also, the Top 4 Songs from Divisions 2 & 3 will be promoted to the next highest division while the bottom 4 songs from each division will be regulated to the next lowest division or removed from the league back to the outsiders. The winner of the Division 1 tournament will be crowned the 2021 League Champion!

The divisions are comprised of the following songs (2019 regular season records). 

Division 1
1. Metropolis (35-0)
2. A Change of Seasons (35-0)
3. Learning to Live (35-0)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (34-1)
5. Breaking All Illusions (34-1)
6. Scarred (34-1)
7. Octavarium (33-2)
8. Finally Free (33-2)   
9. Beyond This Life (33-2)
10. Home (32-2-1)
11. Blind Faith (32-3)
12. Voices (32-3)
13. Trial of Tears (32-3)
14. In the Presence of Enemies (32-3)
15. Bridges in the Sky (32-3)
16. Take the Time (31-3-1)
17. Surrounded (31-3-1)
18. Fatal Tragedy (30-3-2) 
19. The Count of Tuscany (31-4)
20. The Glass Prison (31-4)
21. Pull Me Under (30-5)
22. 6:00 (30-5)
23. In the Name of God (29-4-2)
24. At Witís End (30-5)
25. Illumination Theory (30-5)
26. The Mirror (29-5-1)
27. Under a Glass Moon (29-6)
28. Lines in the Sand (29-6)
29. Disappear (29-6)
30. Erotomania (29-6)
31. The Spirit Carries On (29-6)
32. Misunderstood (29-6)


Division 2
1.   Space-Dye Vest (29-6)
2.   Barstool Warrior (28-6-1)
3.   Hellís Kitchen (27-6-2)
4.   Pale Blue Dot (28-7)
5.   The Great Debate (28-7)
6.   S2N (27-7-1)
7.   Strange Dťjŗ vu (27-8)
8.   The Dance of Eternity (27-8)
9.   Another Day (27-8)
10.   Panic Attack (26-8-1)
11.   Wait For Sleep (26-9)
12.   Peruvian Skies (26-9)
13.   A New Beginning (25-8-2)
14.   Stream of Consciousness (25-9-1)
15.   These Walls (25-10)
16.   Endless Sacrifice (24-10-1)
17.   Overture 1928 (24-10-1)
18.   Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (24-11)
19.   Untethered Angel (23-11-1)
20.   Fall Into the Light (22-12-1)
21.   Lie (22-12-1)
22.   Outcry (22-13)
23.   As I Am (22-13)
24.   Innocence Faded (22-13)
25.   The Root of All Evil (21-13-1)
26.   Caught in a Web (21-13-1)
27.   This Dying Soul (21-13-1)
28.   The Ministry of Lost Souls (21-14)
29.   On the Backs of Angels (20-14-1)
30.   Behind the Veil (20-14-1)
31.   This is the Life (20-14-1)
32.   Surrender to Reason (20-15)

Division 3
1.   The Bigger Picture (19-14-2)
2.   Lost Not Forgotten (20-15)
3.   New Millennium (19-14-2)
4.   The Shattered Fortress (20-15)
5.   The Enemy Inside (18-15-2)
6.   Sacrificed Sons (19-16)
7.   The Silent Man (18-15-2)
8.   Paralyzed (18-16-1)
9.   A Better Life (18-17)
10.   A Nightmare to Remember (18-17)
11.   Ravenskill (18-17)
12.   Through Her Eyes (18-17)
13.   Wither (18-17)
14.   One Last Time (17-17-1)
15.   Beneath the Surface (17-18)
16.   Honor Thy Father (16-17-2)
17.   The Killing Hand (16-18-1)
18.   Three Days (15-18-2)
19.   A Life Left Behind (15-19-1)
20.   The Path That Divides (14-19-2)
21.   Ytse Jam (14-21)
22.   Constant Motion (13-21-1)
23.   Out of Reach (13-21-1)
24.   Vacant (13-21-1)
25.   The Gift of Music (13-22)
26.   Lord Nafaryus (13-22)
27.   Build Me Up, Break Me Down (12-22-1)
28.   Dystopian Overture (12-22-1)
29.   Forsaken (12-22-1)


Division 3 Play in Tournament (1st 2nd and 3rd Place Songs promoted to Division 3 for 2021 Season)
1. Hollow Years
2. Far From Heaven
3. The Walking Shadow
4. Moment of Betrayal
5. The Dark Eternal Night
6. Our New World
7. Raise the Knife
8. The Looking Glass
9. Afterlife
10. Anna Lee 
11. Only a Matter of Time
12. Room 137
13. Viper King
14. A Fortune in Lies
15. To Live Forever
16. A Savior in the Square
17. Heavenís Cove
18. Along for the Ride
19. Take Away My Pain
20. Eve
21. When Your Time Has Come
22. A Tempting Offer
23. Astonishing
24. Never Enough
25. The Answer Lies Within
26. Speak to Me
27. I Walk Beside You
28. The Best of Times
29. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
30. Enigma Machine
31. Repentance
32. My Last Farewell



The play in Tournament will begin soon. The 2021 season will begin in late December.

The progress of the league will be tracked in this thread.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
This is fantastic news!  :metal

Thanks DoC for being our online master of ceremonies and keeping us engaged League after League with this weekly fun  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 02, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Yeeees! Hell yes. Let's go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on November 02, 2020, 02:45:46 PM
Awesome!  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 02, 2020, 02:53:20 PM
Iím looking forward to helping Octavarium return to its rightful place on the throne.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Revenge319 on November 02, 2020, 04:37:25 PM
Cool, it's a tournament for a band that I can finally participate in!

Well, I would've been able to do the Haken one that happened this year, but it was already close to the end by the time I'd listened to all the albums they had...


Iím looking forward to helping Octavarium return to its rightful place on the throne.

Octavarium absolutely deserves the throne...


...but A Change of Seasons exists.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 02, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
Iím looking forward to helping Octavarium return to its rightful place on the throne.

Octavarium absolutely deserves the throne...


...but A Change of Seasons exists.

A Change of Seasons vs Octavarium is the classic championship matchup that we were denied last year. May the heated rivalry take place where it belongs: the tournament finals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Evermind on November 02, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
 :2metal:

Excellent news, DoC!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 13, 2020, 01:54:11 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Just wanted to update that the  Play in tournament will begin on November 23rd!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 19, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
I have never participated in these leagues, it looks like a lot of fun, Nov 23rd, are you here already? No? humm, let's wait a bit more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: geeeemo on November 19, 2020, 11:01:25 AM
Ready!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Eldomm on November 20, 2020, 08:20:20 AM
 :tup :tup :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 21, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
LET'S GO!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: RoeDent on November 22, 2020, 02:32:02 AM
I'm guessing the bottom 27 songs just aren't participating at all then. We had 152 songs in the last League. We have 125 this year, including the play-in songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
I don't think I've ever had the patience to participate in this but will do this time around.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 23, 2020, 07:37:56 AM
It has begun....

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55912.0
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 27, 2020, 08:07:13 AM
Play In Tournament - Opening Round - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55912.0
1. Hollow Years defeats 32. My Last Farewell 28-4 
16. A Savior in the Square defeats 17. Heavenís Cove 16-12 
8. The Looking Glass defeats 25. The Answer Lies Within 20-11
9. Afterlife defeats 24. Never Enough 20-12 
28. The Best of Times defeats 5. The Dark Eternal Night 17-15 
12. Room 137 defeats 21. When Your Time Has Come 17-12   
4. Moment of Betrayal defeats 29. Hymn of a Thousand Voices 26-2
20. Eve defeats 13. Viper King 17-14 
30. Enigma Machine defeats 3. The Walking Shadow 18-12
14. A Fortune in Lies defeats 19. Take Away My Pain 18-14
27. I Walk Beside You defeats 6. Our New World 21-10
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats 22. A Tempting Offer 24-8 
7. Raise the Knife defeats 26. Speak to Me 17-13
10. Anna Lee defeats 23. Astonishing 24-8 
31. Repentance defeats 2. Far From Heaven 17-14
15. To Live Forever defeats 18. Along For the Ride 19-12 


32 voters is awesome. Hopefully that holds up when the season starts and the voting time gets cut in half.

Poll for the 2nd round will be created on Monday.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 04, 2020, 07:09:27 AM
Play in Tournament - 2nd Round Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55947.0
1. Hollow Years defeats 16. A Savior in the Square 26-7 
9. Afterlife defeats 8. The Looking Glass 17-16 
28. The Best of Times defeats 12. Room 137 19-14 
4. Moment of Betrayal defeats 20. Eve 20-12 
14. A Fortune in Lies defeats 30. Enigma Machine 24-9
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats 27. I Walk Beside You 20-13 
7. Raise the Knife defeats 10. Anna Lee 22-10
15. To Live Forever defeats 31. Repentance 20-12 

8 songs left. Quarterfinals start on Monday!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on December 04, 2020, 09:23:08 AM
These results continue to baffle.

Eve beating Viper King?!

TBOT and Repentance beating...well...anything else?!

Also -- probably because I wasn't paying enough attention -- I only just realized this was a bracket style tournament and not a mini-league.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
These results continue to baffle.

Eve beating Viper King?!
Nothing shocking about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
Quarterfinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55974.0
1. Hollow Years defeats 9. Afterlife 20-14 
28. The Best of Times defeats 4. Moment of Betrayal 18-15
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats 14. A Fortune in Lies 20-14 
7. Raise the Knife defeats 15. To Live Forever 21-11 

3 out of the final 4 songs of this play in tournament will be added to Division 3.

Next week will be a bit different. On Monday, the Semifinals will have a 48 hour voting period. On Wednesday, the Championship and 3rd Place match will have a 48 hour voting period.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on December 11, 2020, 04:33:07 PM
Quarterfinals - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55974.0
1. Hollow Years defeats 9. Afterlife 20-14 
28. The Best of Times defeats 4. Moment of Betrayal 18-15
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats 14. A Fortune in Lies 20-14 
7. Raise the Knife defeats 15. To Live Forever 21-11 

3 out of the final 4 songs of this play in tournament will be added to Division 3.

Next week will be a bite different. On Monday, the Semifinals will have a 48 hour voting period. On Wednesday, the Championship and 3rd Place match will have a 48 hour voting period.

For me, it couldn't be more obvious which song is the odd one out here.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Evermind on December 13, 2020, 02:47:52 AM
Shame Moment of Betrayal lost, but alright. Hopefully Hollow Years gets through.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 20, 2020, 08:28:38 AM
Play In Tournament 3rd Place & Championship Matches - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56014.0

3rd Place Match
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats 28. The Best of Times 20-9 

Championship Match
1. Hollow Years defeats 7. Raise the Knife 16-13 

Hollow Years is the Play In Tournament Champion! It, along with Raise the Knife and Only a Matter of Time have been promoted to Division 3.

The 2021 season kicks off on January 4th. See you then!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021 - Begins January 4th
Post by: MirrorMask on December 20, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
What a way to begin the new year!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021 - Begins January 4th
Post by: Revenge319 on December 20, 2020, 12:55:40 PM
A bit of a shame to see the masterpiece that is The Best of Times not qualify, but I guess that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021 - Begins January 4th
Post by: pg1067 on December 21, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
A bit of a shame to see the masterpiece that is The Best of Times not qualify, but I guess that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.

If you think TBOT is a "masterpiece," what sort of words do you use for songs like ACOS, Metropolis and ITNOG?
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021 - Begins January 4th
Post by: Revenge319 on December 21, 2020, 01:51:56 PM
A bit of a shame to see the masterpiece that is The Best of Times not qualify, but I guess that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.

If you think TBOT is a "masterpiece," what sort of words do you use for songs like ACOS, Metropolis and ITNOG?

For A Change of Seasons, I'm not sure how to describe it because I tend to have a hard time trying to describe what is my favorite song ever made, and what I'd consider to be the greatest song ever made.
As for the other two, I would say "shy of perfection". I'd easily put Metropolis Pt. 1 into the "masterpiece" category, but I've listened to it so much that I'm burned out on it so it has gone down my rankings in some ways.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 06, 2021, 07:27:40 AM
Division 3 - Week 1 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56081.0
1.   The Killing Hand defeats New Millennium 16-11
2.   The Enemy Inside defeats Forsaken 16-11
3.   Wither defeats Paralyzed 17-10
4.   The Shattered Fortress defeats A Life Left Behind 16-12
5.   One Last Time defeats The Bigger Picture 19-9 
6.   Raise the Knife defeats Constant Motion 16-11
7.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 24-4
8.   Only a Matter of Time defeats The Silent Man 17-11
9.   Out of Reach defeats Dystopian Overture 14-13
10.   Three Days & Hollow Years tied 14-14 
11.   Through Her Eyes defeats A Better Life 16-12
12.   The Gift of Music defeats Vacant 16-12
13.   The Path That Divides & Honor Thy Father tied 13-13
14.   Ytse Jam defeats Ravenskill 19-8
15.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats Lord Nafaryus 17-11 
16.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Beneath the Surface 15-13

Division 3 Standings after Week 1 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

1. Sacrificed Sons 1-0 (+20)
2. Ytse Jam 1-0 (+11)
3. One Last Time 1-0 (+10)
4. Wither 1-0 (+7)
5. A Nightmare to Remember 1-0 (+6)
5. Only a Matter of Time 1-0 (+6)
7. The Enemy Inside 1-0 (+5)
7. The Killing Hand 1-0 (+5)
7. Raise the Knife 1-0 (+5)
10. The Gift of Music 1-0 (+4)
10. The Shattered Fortress 1-0 (+4)
10. Through Her Eyes 1-0 (+4)
13. Lost Not Forgotten 1-0 (+2) 
14. Out of Reach 1-0 (+1)
15. Hollow Years 0-0-1 (0)
15. Honor Thy Father 0-0-1 (0)
15. The Path That Divides 0-0-1 (0)
15. Three Days 0-0-1 (0)
19. Dystopian Overture 0-1 (-1)
20. Beneath the Surface 0-1 (-2)
21. A Better Life 0-1 (-4) 
21. A Life Left Behind 0-1 (-4)
21. Vacant 0-1 (-4)
24. Constant Motion 0-1 (-5) 
24. Forsaken 0-1 (-5)
24. New Millennium 0-1 (-5)
27. Lord Nafaryus 0-1 (-6)
27. The Silent Man 0-1 (-6)
29. Paralyzed 0-1 (-7)
30. The Bigger Picture 0-1 (-10)
31. Ravenskill 0-1 (-11)
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-1 (-20)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 07, 2021, 07:16:15 AM
Division 2 - Week 1 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56085.0
1.   The Root of All Evil defeats Lie 15-12
2.   These Walls defeats This Dying Soul 15-12 
3.   Caught in a Web defeats Behind the Veil 21-6 
4.   Another Day defeats Untethered Angel 19-7 
5.   Strange Deja vu defeats Lifting Shadows off a Dream 21-6
6.   Stream of Consciousness defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 22-5
7.   The Great Debate defeats Fall into the Light 14-13
8.   Barstool Warrior defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-10
9.   The Dance of Eternity defeats This is the Life 18-9 
10.   Wait For Sleep defeats Innocence Faded 20-7 
11.   Panic Attack defeats Surrender to Reason 19-7 
12.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Peruvian Skies 21-6 
13.   Space-Dye Vest defeats S2N 18-9 
14.   Overture 1928 defeats Endless Sacrifice 16-11 
15.   As I Am defeats A New Beginning 16-11
16.   Pale Blue Dot defeats Outcry 17-10



Division 2 Standings after Week 1 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

1. Stream of Consciousness 1-0 (+17)
2. Caught in a Web 1-0 (+15)
2. Hellís Kitchen 1-0 (+15)
2. Strange dťjŗ vu 1-0 (+15)
5. Wait For Sleep 1-0 (+13)
6. Another Day 1-0 (+12)
6. Panic Attack 1-0 (+12)
8. The Dance of Eternity 1-0 (+9)
8. Space-Dye Vest 1-0 (+9)
10. Pale Blue Dot 1-0 (+7)
11. Barstool Warrior 1-0 (+6)
12. As I Am  1-0 (+5)
12. Overture 1928 1-0 (+5)
14. The Root of All Evil 1-0 (+3)
14. These Walls 1-0 (+3)
16. The Great Debate 1-0 (+1)
17. Fall into the Light 0-1 (-1)
18. Lie 0-1 (-3)
18. This Dying Soul 0-1 (-3)
20. Endless Sacrifice 0-1 (-5)
20. A New Beginning 0-1 (-5) 
22. On the Backs of Angels (-6)
23. Outcry 0-1 (-7)
24. S2N 0-1 (-9)
24. This is the Life 0-1 (-9)
26. Surrender to Reason 0-1 (-12)
26. Untethered Angel 0-1 (-12)
28. Innocence Faded 0-1 (-13)   
29. Behind the Veil 0-1 (-15)
29. Lifting Shadows of a Dream (-15)
29. Peruvian Skies 0-1 (-15)   
32. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-17)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 08, 2021, 07:25:44 AM
Division 1 Week 1 Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56086.0
1.   Beyond This Life defeats 6:00 20-10
2.   Scarred defeats Blind Faith 18-12
3.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Misunderstood 18-12
4.   Surrounded defeats Bridges in the Sky 16-14 
5.   Erotomania defeats Disappear 17-13 
6.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Fatal Tragedy 16-14
7.   Metropolis defeats Illumination Theory 24-6
8.   Home defeats In the Presence of Enemies 17-12
9.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Pull Me Under 24-6
10.   Take the Time defeats The Count of Tuscany 17-13
11.   A Change of Seasons defeats Voices 25-5
12.   Learning to Live defeats The Glass Prison 24-6
13.   Octavarium defeats The Mirror 24-6 
14.   At Witís End defeats Lines in the Sand 16-14 
15.   Finally Free defeats In the Name of God 17-12
16.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence & Trial of Tears tied 15-15 

Division 1 Standings after Week 1 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.


1. A Change of Seasons 1-0 (+20)
2. Breaking All Illusions 1-0 (+18)
2. Learning to Live 1-0 (+18)
2. Metropolis 1-0 (+18)
2. Octavarium 1-0 (+18)
6. Beyond this Life 1-0 (+10)
7. Scarred 1-0 (+6)
7. The Spirit Carries On 1-0 (+6)
9. Finally Free 1-0 (+5)
9. Home 1-0 (+5)
11. Erotomania 1-0 (+4)
11. Take the Time 1-0 (+4)
13. At Witís End 1-0 (+2) 
13. Surrounded 1-0 (+2)
13. Under a Glass Moon 1-0 (+2)   
16. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 0-0-1 (0)
16. Trial of Tears 0-0-1 (0)
18. Bridges in the Sky 0-1 (-2)
18. Fatal Tragedy 0-1 (-2)
18. Lines in the Sand 0-1 (-2) 
21. The Count of Tuscany 0-1 (-4)
21. Disappear 0-1 (-4)
23. In the Name of God 0-1 (-5)
23. In the Presence of Enemies 0-1 (-5)   
25. Blind Faith 0-1 (-6)
25. Misunderstood 0-1 (-6)
27. 6:00 0-1 (-10)
28. The Glass Prison 0-1 (-18)
28. Illumination Theory 0-1 (-18)
28. The Mirror 0-1 (-18) 
28. Pull Me Under 0-1 (-18)
32. Voices 0-1 (-20)


Week 2 begins on Monday.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 08, 2021, 11:30:05 AM
Not much to comment so far but it's gonna be interesting to see all the impossible choices play out in the Division 1!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 13, 2021, 07:20:31 AM
Division 3 Week 2 Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56105.0
1.   The Silent Man defeats A Life Left Behind 17-11
2.   Ytse Jam defeats Paralyzed 19-10 
3.   The Path That Divides defeats Ravenskill 12-8 
4.   Beneath the Surface defeats Forsaken 16-12
5.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Constant Motion 18-11
6.   Raise the Knife defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 23-4
7.   New Millennium defeats The Bigger Picture 19-10
8.   One Last Time defeats Dystopian Overture 21-8
9.   Three Days defeats Lord Nafaryus 19-6 
10.   Out of Reach defeats A Better Life 14-12
11.   Hollow Years defeats Vacant 20-9
12.   Through Her Eyes defeats Wither 18-11
13.   Honor Thy Father defeats The Gift of Music 16-12
14.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Lost Not Forgotten 17-12
15.   The Killing Hand defeats The Enemy Inside 18-10 
16.   Sacrificed Sons defeats A Nightmare to Remember 18-10



Division 3 Standings after Week 2 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 2-0 (+28)
2. Raise the Knife 2-0 (+24)
3. One Last Time 2-0 (+23)
4. Ytse Jam 2-0 (+20)
5. The Killing Hand 2-0 (+13)
6. Only a Matter of Time 2-0 (+11)
6. The Shattered Fortress 2-0 (+11)
6. Through Her Eyes 2-0 (+11)
9. Out of Reach 2-0 (+3)
10. Three Days 1-0-1 (+13)
11. Hollow Years 1-0-1 (+11)
12. Honor Thy Father 1-0-1 (+4)
12. The Path That Divides 1-0-1 (+4)
14. New Millennium 1-1 (+4)
15. Beneath the Surface 1-1 (+2)
16. The Gift of Music 1-1 (0)
16. The Silent Man 1-1 (0)
16. Wither 1-1 (0)
19. A Nightmare to Remember 1-1 (-2)
20. Lost Not Forgotten 1-1 (-3) 
20. The Enemy Inside 1-1 (-3)
22. A Better Life 0-2 (-6) 
23. Forsaken 0-2 (-9)
24. A Life Left Behind 0-2 (-10)
25. Constant Motion 0-2 (-12) 
16. Dystopian Overture 0-2 (-14)
27. Ravenskill 0-2 (-15)
27. Vacant 0-2 (-15)
29. Paralyzed 0-2 (-16)
30. The Bigger Picture 0-2 (-19)
30. Lord Nafaryus 0-2 (-19) 
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-2 (-39)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 14, 2021, 07:47:05 AM
Division 2 Week 2 Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56108.0
1.   On the Backs of Angels defeats Untethered Angel 17-10
2.   Lie defeats As I Am 15-12 
3.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats A New Beginning 17-10
4.   This Dying Soul defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 14-12
5.   Another Day defeats Behind the Veil 22-5 
6.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Fall into the Light 17-10
7.   The Great Debate defeats The Dance of Eternity 18-9 
8.   Panic Attack defeats This is the Life 18-9 
9.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Innocence Faded 17-10
10.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Surrender to Reason 19-8
11.   Peruvian Skies defeats Outcry 16-11 
12.   Endless Sacrifice defeats S2N 14-13
13.   Wait For Sleep defeats Barstool Warrior 15-12   
14.   Overture 1928 defeats Pale Blue Dot 16-10
15.   The Root of All Evil defeats These Walls 17-10
16.   Strange dťjŗ vu defeats Caught in a Web 21-6



Division 2 Standings after Week 2 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 2-0 (+30)
2. Another Day 2-0 (+29)
3. Stream of Consciousness 2-0 (+24)
4. Hellís Kitchen 2-0 (+22)
5. Panic Attack 2-0 (+21)
6. Space-Dye Vest 2-0 (+18)
7. Wait For Sleep 2-0 (+16)
8. Overture 1928 2-0 (+11)
9. The Great Debate 2-0 (+10)
9. The Root of All Evil 2-0 (+10)
11. Barstool Warrior 1-1 (+3)
12. As I Am  1-1 (+2)
13. On the Backs of Angels 1-1 (+1)
13. Pale Blue Dot 1-1 (+1)   
15 Caught in a Web 1-1 (0)
15. The Dance of Eternity 1-1 (0)
15. Lie 1-1 (0)
18. This Dying Soul 1-1 (-1)
19. Endless Sacrifice 1-1 (-4)
19. These Walls 1-1 (-4)
21. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 1-1 (-8)
21. Fall into the Light 0-2 (-8)
23. Peruvian Skies 1-1 (-10)   
23. S2N 0-2 (-10)
25. A New Beginning 0-2 (-12) 
25. Outcry 0-2 (-12)
27. This is the Life 0-2 (-18)
28. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-2 (-19)
28. Untethered Angel 0-2 (-19)
30. Innocence Faded 0-2 (-20)   
31. Surrender to Reason 0-2 (-21)
32. Behind the Veil 0-2 (-32)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 15, 2021, 07:02:04 AM
Division 1 Week 2 Results - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56112.0
1.   Metropolis defeats Misunderstood 21-5
2.   Learning to Live defeats Beyond This Life 22-4
3.   Pull Me Under defeats The Spirit Carries On 16-10 
4.   Finally Free defeats 6:00 19-7
5.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Erotomania 19-7
6.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Disappear 16-10
7.   Fatal Tragedy defeats At Witís End 19-6 
8.   Take the Time defeats The Mirror 14-12
9.   Voices defeats Under a Glass Moon 17-9 
10.   Octavarium defeats Blind Faith 20-6 
11.   A Change of Seasons defeats Bridges in the Sky 22-4
12.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Illumination Theory 16-8
13.   Lines in the Sand & In the Name of God tied 13-13
14.   Trial of Tears defeats The Glass Prison 14-12 
15.   Home defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-12 
16.    Scarred defeats Surrounded 14-12 


Division 1 Standings after Week 2 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 2-0 (+38)
2. Learning to Live 2-0 (+36)
3. Metropolis 2-0 (+34)
4. Octavarium 2-0 (+32)
5. Breaking All Illusions 2-0 (+30)
6. Finally Free 2-0 (+17)
7. Scarred 2-0 (+8)
8. Home 2-0 (+7)
9. Take the Time 2-0 (+6)
10. Trial of Tears 1-0-1 (+2)
11. Fatal Tragedy 1-1 (+11)
12. In the Presence of Enemies 1-1 (+3)   
13. The Count of Tuscany 1-1 (+2)
13. The Spirit Carries On 1-1 (+2)
15. Surrounded 1-1 (0)
16. Under a Glass Moon 1-1 (-6)   
17. Beyond this Life 1-1 (-8)
17. Erotomania 1-1 (-8)
19. At Witís End 1-1 (-11) 
20. Voices 1-1 (-12)
21. Pull Me Under 1-1 (-14)
22. Lines in the Sand 0-1-1 (-2) 
22. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 0-1-1 (-2)
24. In the Name of God 0-1-1 (-5)
25. Disappear 0-2 (-10)
26. Blind Faith 0-2 (-20)
26. Bridges in the Sky 0-2 (-20)
26. The Glass Prison 0-2 (-20)
26. The Mirror 0-2 (-20) 
30. 6:00 0-2 (-22)
30. Misunderstood 0-2 (-22)
32. Illumination Theory 0-2 (-26)



Week 3 starts on Monday.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2021, 07:02:44 AM
You posted again the score of Division 2  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 15, 2021, 07:12:00 AM
Oops! Should be good now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2021, 07:16:36 AM
And good it is!

Only two rounds, and the "usual suspects" are already all there at the top of Division 1.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 16, 2021, 06:47:35 AM
Decided that we also have time to run a league for the album's. So those polls will open. On Thursday. Will last 13 weeks which will allow for each album for face off against each other. Top 8 at season's end will make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2021, 06:49:36 AM
Decided that we also have time to run a league for the album's. So those pills will open. On Thursday. Will last 13 weeks which will allow for each album for face off against each other. Top 8 at season's end will make the playoffs.

Yayyy more fun and tough decisions to take!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 20, 2021, 09:01:37 AM
Division 3 Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56123.0
1.   Only a Matter of Time defeats A Life Left Behind 14-11
2.   The Path That Divides defeats Paralyzed 15-11
3.   The Gift of Music defeats Ravenskill 16-9
4.   The Silent Man & Constant Motion tied 13-13 
5.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Forsaken 15-10 
6.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 20-6
7.   The Enemy Inside defeats The Bigger Picture 15-11
8.   Dystopian Overture defeats New Millennium 14-12
9.   One Last Time defeats A Better Life 19-7
10.   Lord Nafaryus & Vacant tied 13-13
11.   Wither defeats Out of Reach 14-12
12.   Hollow Years defeats Honor Thy Father 16-9
13.   Ytse Jam defeats Through Her Eyes 16-10
14.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Three Days 20-6 
15.   The Killing Hand defeats Beneath the Surface 15-11 
16.   Raise the Knife defeats A Nightmare to Remember 13-11


Division 3 Standings after Week 3 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 3-0 (+42)
2. One Last Time 3-0 (+35)
3. Raise the Knife 3-0 (+26)
3. Ytse Jam 3-0 (+26)
5. The Shattered Fortress 3-0 (+25)
6. The Killing Hand 3-0 (+17)
7. Only a Matter of Time 3-0 (+14)
8. Hollow Years 2-0-1 (+18)
9. The Path That Divides 2-0-1 (+8)
10. The Gift of Music 2-1 (+7)
11. Through Her Eyes 2-1 (+5)
12. Lost Not Forgotten 2-1 (+2)   
12. Wither 2-1 (+2)
14. The Enemy Inside 2-1 (+1)
14. Out of Reach 2-1 (+1)
16. The Silent Man 1-1-1 (0)
17. Three Days 1-1-1 (-1)
18. Honor Thy Father 1-1-1 (-3)
19. New Millennium 1-2 (+2)
20. Beneath the Surface 1-2 (-2)
21. A Nightmare to Remember 1-2 (-4)
22. Dystopian Overture 1-2 (-12)
23. Constant Motion 0-2-1 (-12) 
24. Vacant 0-2-1 (-15) 
25. Lord Nafaryus 0-2-1 (-19) 
26. A Life Left Behind 0-3 (-13)
27. Forsaken 0-3 (-14) 
28. A Better Life 0-3 (-18) 
29. Paralyzed 0-3 (-20)
30. Ravenskill 0-3 (-22)
31. The Bigger Picture 0-3 (-23)
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-3 (-53)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 20, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Ravenskill, The Bigger Picture and A Better Life still at the bottom with three defeats? come on!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on January 20, 2021, 09:19:00 AM
Ravenskill, The Bigger Picture and A Better Life still at the bottom with three defeats? come on!

Two of TBP's losses make sense, but to lose to New Millennium is incomprehensible.  Two of Ravenskill's losses came at the hand of other TA tracks, but its third loss is a no brainer, as are all of ABL's losses.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 21, 2021, 07:38:37 AM
Division 2 Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56130.0
1.   The Root of All Evil defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 18-8
2.   On the Backs of Angels defeats Behind the Veil 19-6 
3.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats As I Am 18-7 
4.   Caught in a Web defeats A New Beginning 16-9 
5.   Fall into the Light defeats This Dying Soul 14-11
6.   Wait For Sleep defeats Untethered Angel 19-6 
7.   Hellís Kitchen & Barstool Warrior tied 13-13 
8.   Space-Dye Vest defeats This is the Life 21-5 
9.   Innocence Faded defeats Outcry 15-11
10.   Endless Sacrifice & Surrender to Reason tied 13-13
11.   Overture 1928 defeats Peruvian Skies 18-8 
12.   These Walls defeat Lie 14-12 
13.   S2N defeats Pale Blue Dot 13-12
14.   The Great Debate defeats Panic Attack 16-10
15.   Stream of Consciousness defeats The Dance of Eternity 14-12
16.   Strange Deja vu defeats Another Day 15-11


Division 2 Standings after Week 3 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Space-Dye Vest 3-0 (+34)
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 3-0 (+34)
3. Wait For Sleep 3-0 (+29)
4. Stream of Consciousness 3-0 (+26)
5. Overture 1928 3-0 (+21)
6. The Root of All Evil 3-0 (+20)
7. The Great Debate 3-0 (+16)
8. Hellís Kitchen 2-0-1 (+22)
9. Another Day 2-1 (+25) 
10. Panic Attack 2-1 (+15)
11. On the Backs of Angels 2-1 (+14)
12 Caught in a Web 2-1 (+7)
13. These Walls 2-1 (-2)
14. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 2-1 (-3)
15. Barstool Warrior 1-1-1 (+3)
16. Endless Sacrifice 1-1-1 (-4)
17. Pale Blue Dot 1-2 (0)   
18. The Dance of Eternity 1-2 (-2)
18. Lie 1-2 (-2)
20. This Dying Soul 1-2 (-4)
21. Fall into the Light 1-2 (-5)
22. As I Am  1-2 (-9)   
22. S2N 1-2 (-9)
24. Innocence Faded 1-2 (-16)   
25. Peruvian Skies 1-2 (-20)   
26. Surrender to Reason 0-2-1 (-21)
27. Outcry 0-3 (-16) 
28. A New Beginning 0-3 (-19) 
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-3 (-29) 
30. Untethered Angel 0-3 (-32) 
31. This is the Life 0-3 (-34)
32. Behind the Veil 0-3 (-45)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 21, 2021, 07:45:41 AM
Double SDV attack for the leadership!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 22, 2021, 07:09:28 AM
Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56133.0
1.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Glass Prison 13-11
2.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Misunderstood 13-11
3.   Home defeats Illumination Theory 17-7
4.   Beyond this Life defeats Trial of Tears 13-11
5.   Metropolis defeats Pull Me Under 21-3
6.   Erotomania defeats The Spirit Carries On 14-10 
7.   Lines in the Sand defeats 6:00 16-8 
8.   Fatal Tragedy defeats In the Name of God 14-10
9.   The Mirror defeats Disappear 17-6 
10.   Voices defeats At Witís End 19-5
11.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Bridges in the Sky 13-11
12.   Take the Time defeats Blind Faith 14-10
13.   Breaking All Illusions defeats The Count of Tuscany 16-8 
14.   Learning to Live defeats Finally Free 17-7
15.   Octavarium defeats Surrounded 18-6
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Scarred 22-2



Division 1 Standings after Week 3 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 3-0 (+58)
2. Metropolis 3-0 (+52)
3. Learning to Live 3-0 (+46) 
4. Octavarium 3-0 (+40)
5. Breaking All Illusions 3-0 (+38)
6. Home 3-0 (+17)
7. Take the Time 3-0 (+10)
8. Fatal Tragedy 2-1 (+15)
9. Finally Free 2-1 (+7) 
10. In the Presence of Enemies 2-1 (+5)   
11. Voices 2-1 (+2)
12. Erotomania 2-1 (-4) 
12. Under a Glass Moon 2-1 (-4)   
14. Beyond this Life 2-1 (-6) 
15. Scarred 2-1 (-12)
16. Lines in the Sand 1-1-1 (+6) 
17. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 1-1-1 (0)
17. Trial of Tears 1-1-1 (0)
19. The Spirit Carries On 1-2 (-2)
20. The Count of Tuscany 1-2 (-6)
21. Surrounded 1-2 (-8)
22. The Mirror 1-2 (-9) 
23. At Witís End 1-2 (-25)
24. Pull Me Under 1-2 (-32)
25. In the Name of God 0-2-1 (-9)
26. Disappear 0-3 (-21)
27. Bridges in the Sky 0-3 (-22)
27. The Glass Prison 0-3 (-22) 
29. Blind Faith 0-3 (-24)
29. Misunderstood 0-3 (-24)
31. 6:00 0-3 (-30)
32. Illumination Theory 0-3 (-36)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 22, 2021, 07:12:45 AM
I guess nobody can be surprised at the top 4.

The "problem" with the top division is that it's so ridiculously packed with awesome songs that every match seems a difficult choice, and every consecutive defeat an anomaly  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 23, 2021, 06:39:56 AM
Albums Ė Week 1

1.   Dream Theater defeats When Dream and Day Unite 17-12
2.   Awake defeats The Astonishing 23-6 
3.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 27-2   
4.   Images and Words defeats Falling Into Infinity 25-4
5.   Distance over Time defeats Systematic Chaos 22-6
6.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 21-8 
7.   Octavarium defeats Train of Thought 18-11


The Album Standings after Week 1 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 1-0 (+25)
2. Images & Words 1-0 (+21) 
3. Awake 1-0 (+17)
4. Distance over Time 1-0 (+16)
5. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 1-0 (+13)
6. Octavarium 1-0 (+7)
7. Dream Theater 1-0 (+5)
8. When Dream and Day Unite 0-1 (-5)
9. Train of Thought 0-1 (-7) 
10. A Dramatic Turn of Events 0-1 (-13)
11. Systematic Chaos 0-1 (-16)
12. The Astonishing 0-1 (-17)
13. Falling Into Infinity 0-1 (-21) 
14. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 0-1 (-25)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 23, 2021, 08:52:08 AM
One round and we already have the likely ending top 3.... save surprises from Six Degrees  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 23, 2021, 01:40:01 PM
Iím assuming the top 8 albums will be:

1: Images and Words
2: Scenes From a Memory
3: Awake
4: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5: A Dramatic Turn of Events
6: Distance Over Time
7: Train of Thought
8: Falling Into Infinity or Octavarium depending on the matchups they draw
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 25, 2021, 07:02:57 AM
With just 14 choices, I believe every album will face all the others eventually.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 27, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
Division 3 Week 4 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56149.0
1.   Vacant defeats A Nightmare to Remember 12-10
2.   A Better Life defeats Dystopian Overture 12-8
3.   Wither defeats The Bigger Picture 13-9   
4.   Honor Thy Father defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 12-9
5.   Constant Motion defeats Ravenskill 13-9
6.   The Path That Divides defeats Forsaken 12-10 
7.   Paralyzed defeats A Life Left Behind 11-10
8.   Beneath the Surface defeats Hollow Years 11-10
9.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Out of Reach 12-10
10.   The Enemy Inside defeats Lord Nafaryus 13-9
11.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats The Gift of Music 14-7
12.   Through Her Eyes & The Silent Man tied 11-11
13.   Sacrificed Sons defeats New Millennium 15-7 
14.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Three Days 12-9 
15.   Raise the Knife defeats One Last Time 11-10 
16.   The Killing Hand defeats Ytse Jam 15-6



Division 3 Standings after Week 4 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 4-0 (+50)
2. Raise the Knife 4-0 (+27)
2. The Shattered Fortress 4-0 (+27)
4. The Killing Hand 4-0 (+26)
5. Only a Matter of Time 4-0 (+17)
6. The Path That Divides 3-0-1 (+10)
7. One Last Time 3-1 (+34)
8. Ytse Jam 3-1 (+17)
9. Lost Not Forgotten 3-1 (+9)   
10. Wither 3-1 (+6)
11. The Enemy Inside 3-1 (+5)
12. Hollow Years 2-1-1 (+17)
13. Through Her Eyes 2-1-1 (+5)
14. Honor Thy Father 2-1-1 (0)
15. The Gift of Music 2-2 (0)
15. The Silent Man 1-1-2 (0)
17. Beneath the Surface 2-2 (-1)
17. Out of Reach 2-2 (-1) 
19. Three Days 1-2-1 (-4)
20. Constant Motion 1-2-1 (-8) 
21. Vacant 1-2-1 (-13) 
22. New Millennium 1-3 (-6)
23. A Nightmare to Remember 1-3 (-6)
24. A Better Life 1-3 (-14) 
25. Dystopian Overture 1-3 (-16)
26. Paralyzed 1-3 (-19)
27. Lord Nafaryus 0-3-1 (-23) 
28. A Life Left Behind 0-4 (-14)
29. Forsaken 0-4 (-16) 
30. Ravenskill 0-4 (-26)
31. The Bigger Picture 0-4 (-27)
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-4 (-56)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Evermind on January 27, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
1. Sacrificed Sons 4-0 (+50)

:metal

29. Forsaken 0-4 (-16) 
30. Ravenskill 0-4 (-26)
31. The Bigger Picture 0-4 (-27)

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2021, 11:52:53 AM
Yeah, I agree with the  :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on January 27, 2021, 11:58:58 AM
What are the red and green fonts signifying?  It's way too early for any song to have clinched a top 16 spot or be eliminated, isn't it?  What is the "Outsiders Club"?
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 27, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
What are the red and green fonts signifying?  It's way too early for any song to have clinched a top 16 spot or be eliminated, isn't it?  What is the "Outsiders Club"?

The fonts are for trending.... if the season ended today sort of thing. Even then, the top 4 songs won't necessarily be promoted unless they advance to the final 4 of the tournament.

Outsider's Club is basically every DT song not in the 3 Divisions. If this done regularly, those songs can vie in a league, tournament, survivor etc to promote 4 up to Division 3.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 28, 2021, 07:42:18 AM
Division 2 Week 4 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56151.0
1.   Wait For Sleep defeats As I Am 17-10 
2.   Panic Attack defeats The Dance of Eternity 16-11 
3.   Endless Sacrifice defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 16-11 
4.   Pale Blue Dot defeats These Walls 14-13
5.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats S2N 15-11
6.   Lie defeats Peruvian Skies 14-13
7.   A New Beginning defeats Surrender to Reason 14-9
8.   The Root of All Evil defeats Innocence Faded 18-9
9.   Strange Deja vu defeats This is the Life 23-4
10.   Barstool Warrior & This Dying Soul tied 13-13 
11.   The Great Debate defeats Behind the Veil 19-7 
12.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Untethered Angel 21-6
13.   Another Day defeats Outcry 18-9
14.   Overture 1928 defeats Caught in a Web 18-9 
15.   Hellís Kitchen defeats On the Backs of Angels 17-10
16.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Fall into the Light 20-7 


Division 2 Standings after Week 4 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 4-0 (+53)
2. Space-Dye Vest 4-0 (+47) 
3. Stream of Consciousness 4-0 (+41)
4. Wait For Sleep 4-0 (+36)
5. Overture 1928 4-0 (+30)
6. The Root of All Evil 4-0 (+29)
7. The Great Debate 4-0 (+28)
8. Hellís Kitchen 3-0-1 (+29)
9. Another Day 3-1 (+34) 
10. Panic Attack 3-1 (+20)
11. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 3-1 (+1)
12. Endless Sacrifice 2-1-1 (+1)
13. On the Backs of Angels 2-2 (+7)
14. Barstool Warrior 1-1-2 (+3)
15. Pale Blue Dot 2-2 (+1)   
16. Lie 2-2 (-1)
17 Caught in a Web 2-2 (-2)
18. These Walls 2-2 (-3)
19. This Dying Soul 1-2-1 (-4)
20. The Dance of Eternity 1-3 (-7)
21. S2N 1-3 (-13)
22. A New Beginning 1-3 (-14) 
23. As I Am 1-3 (-16)     
24. Fall into the Light 1-3 (-18)
25. Peruvian Skies 1-3 (-21)   
26. Innocence Faded 1-3 (-25)   
27. Surrender to Reason 0-3-1 (-26)
28. Outcry 0-4 (-25) 
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-4 (-34) 
30. Untethered Angel 0-4 (-45) 
31. This is the Life 0-4 (-53)
32. Behind the Veil 0-4 (-57)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2021, 07:47:32 AM
This is the SDV division  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 29, 2021, 07:06:01 AM
Division 1 Week 4 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56154.0
1.   Pull Me Under & Blind Faith tied 12-12
2.   Surrounded defeats Misunderstood 17-6
3.   The Mirror defeats Erotomania 15-9
4.   Beyond This Life defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-7
5.   Scarred defeats The Glass Prison 14-10
6.   A Change of Seasons defeats Illumination Theory 21-3 
7.   In the Presence of Enemies & Under a Glass Moon tied 11-11
8.   Metropolis defeats At Witís End 19-5
9.   Learning to Live defeats Disappear 20-4
10.   Breaking All Illusions defeats 6:00 20-4 
11.   The Spirit Carries On defeats In the Name of God 14-10
12.   Take the Time defeats Trial of Tears 13-10 
13.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Lines in the Sand 15-9 
14.   Voices defeats Finally Free 13-11
15.   Home & The Count of Tuscany tied 12-12
16.   Octavarium defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 16-8


Division 1 Standings after Week 4 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 4-0 (+76)
2. Metropolis 4-0 (+66)
3. Learning to Live 4-0 (+62) 
4. Breaking All Illusions 4-0 (+54)
5. Octavarium 4-0 (+48)
6. Take the Time 4-0 (+13)
7. Home 3-0-1 (+17)
8. Fatal Tragedy 3-1 (+21)
9. Beyond this Life 3-1 (+6) 
10. Voices 3-1 (+4)
11. Scarred 3-1 (-8)
12. In the Presence of Enemies 2-1-1 (+5)   
13. Under a Glass Moon 2-1-1 (-4)   
14. Finally Free 2-2 (+5) 
15. Surrounded 2-2 (+3)
16. The Spirit Carries On 2-2 (+2)
17. The Mirror 2-2 (-3) 
18. Erotomania 2-2 (-10) 
19. Lines in the Sand 1-2-1 (0) 
20. Trial of Tears 1-2-1 (-3)
21. The Count of Tuscany 1-2-1 (-6)
22. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 1-2-1 (-8)
23. Pull Me Under 1-2-1 (-32)
24. At Witís End 1-3 (-39)
25. In the Name of God 0-3-1 (-13)
26. Blind Faith 0-3-1 (-24)
27. The Glass Prison 0-4 (-26) 
28. Bridges in the Sky 0-4 (-32)
29. Misunderstood 0-4 (-35)
30. Disappear 0-4 (-37)
31. 6:00 0-4 (-46)
32. Illumination Theory 0-4 (-54)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
I know this is the heavyweight championship, but it's kinda weird to see Illumination Theory at the very bottom.

No surprises for the top 5 so far. Take the Time is still going undefeated but it's evident that its victories are always contested and never a landslide like for the other four giants.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on January 29, 2021, 09:26:52 AM
ITNOG is getting jobbed!

And folks obviously like TSCO WAY more than I do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 30, 2021, 08:21:47 AM
Albums Ė Week 2 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56157.0
1.   Images and Words defeats The Astonishing 22-4 
2.   Awake defeats Systematic Chaos 22-4 
3.   Octavarium defeats When Dream and Day Unite 18-8 
4.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 18-7 
5.   Falling into Infinity defeats Dream Theater 16-10 
6.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Train of Thought 25-1
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Distance over Time 21-5 


The Album Standings after Week 2 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 2-0 (+49)
2. Images & Words 2-0 (+39) 
3. Awake 2-0 (+35)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 2-0 (+29)
5. Octavarium 2-0 (+17)
6. Distance over Time 1-1 (0)
7. Dream Theater 1-1 (-1)
8. A Dramatic Turn of Events 1-1 (-2)
9. Falling Into Infinity 1-1 (-15) 
10. When Dream and Day Unite 0-2 (-15)
11. Train of Thought 0-2 (-31) 
12. Systematic Chaos 0-2 (-34)
13. The Astonishing 0-2 (-35)
14. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 0-2 (-36)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on January 30, 2021, 08:48:09 AM
The top 3 and the last one remain the same. Six Degrees takes the 4th spot and I wouldn't be surprised if it would remain there...
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: RoeDent on January 31, 2021, 12:51:51 PM
I'm honestly amazed and impressed that Images and Words managed to concede as many as 4 votes to The Astonishing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on January 31, 2021, 01:32:40 PM
I'm honestly amazed and impressed that Images and Words managed to concede as many as 4 votes to The Astonishing.

Right??  My guess would be a couple of those votes were motivated by:  "I know I&W will win, so I voted for TA just to avoid a shutout" (or something like that).
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Revenge319 on January 31, 2021, 10:57:44 PM
I'm honestly amazed and impressed that Images and Words managed to concede as many as 4 votes to The Astonishing.

I was one of those four voters. I simply enjoy The Astonishing as an album much more than I enjoy Images and Words. If I considered Take the Time and Under A Glass Moon to be as good as the rest of the songs on Images and Words, I'd have voted for that album instead.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: geeeemo on February 01, 2021, 09:01:57 AM
I just dont enjoy I&W as much as most of the rest. I love all their music, but I choose it the least. It really is different than all the rest and I like how they became a bit edgier after. I listen to TA much more often, but it's not my favorite either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 03, 2021, 11:10:39 AM
Division 3 Week 5 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56167.0
1.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats Three Days 13-10
2.   The Bigger Picture defeats A Better Life 17-6
3.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Dystopian Overture 14-8
4.   Vacant defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 15-8
5.   Honor Thy Father defeats Constant Motion 13-9
6.   Ytse Jam defeats Forsaken 13-9 
7.   A Life Left Behind defeats Ravenskill 17-4
8.   The Silent Man defeats Paralyzed 13-10
9.   Beneath the Surface defeats The Gift of Music 14-9
10.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Through Her Eyes 12-11 
11.   Raise the Knife defeats Out of Reach 14-8
12.   New Millennium defeats Lord Nafaryus 13-9
13.   The Enemy Inside defeats Hollow Years 12-11
14.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats The Path That Divides 13-9
15.   The Killing Hand defeats Wither 17-6
16.   Sacrificed Sons defeats One Last Time 14-9


Division 3 Standings after Week 5 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 5-0 (+55)
2. The Killing Hand 5-0 (+37) 
3. Raise the Knife 5-0 (+33)
4. The Shattered Fortress 5-0 (+28)
5. Only a Matter of Time 5-0 (+23)
6. Ytse Jam 4-1 (+21)
7. Lost Not Forgotten 4-1 (+13)   
8. The Enemy Inside 4-1 (+6)
9. The Path That Divides 3-1-1 (+6)
10. Honor Thy Father 3-1-1 (+4)
11. One Last Time 3-2 (+29)
12. Beneath the Surface 3-2 (+4) 
13. The Silent Man 2-1-2 (+3) 
14. Wither 3-2 (-5)
15. Hollow Years 2-2-1 (+16)
16. Through Her Eyes 2-2-1 (+4)
17. Vacant 2-2-1 (-6) 
18. New Millennium 2-3 (-2)
19. A Nightmare to Remember 2-3 (-3)
20. The Gift of Music 2-3 (-5)
21. Out of Reach 2-3 (-7) 
22. Three Days 1-3-1 (-7)
23. Constant Motion 1-3-1 (-12) 
24. A Life Left Behind 1-4 (-1)
25. The Bigger Picture 1-4 (-16)
26. Dystopian Overture 1-4 (-22)
26. Paralyzed 1-4 (-22)
28. A Better Life 1-4 (-25) 
29. Lord Nafaryus 0-4-1 (-27) 
30. Forsaken 0-5 (-20) 
31. Ravenskill 0-5 (-39)
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-5 (-63)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 03, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
It bugs me, and not in a young Nefaryus way, to see Forsaken and Ravenskill still tied to the bottom!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 03, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
It bugs me, and not in a young Nefaryus way, to see Forsaken and Ravenskill still tied to the bottom!

The one that's out of whack for me is Constant Motion.  1-3-1?  I know most folks like ITPOE, but Constant Motion is, for me, the best song on SC by miles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2021, 02:50:35 PM
The one that's out of whack for me is Constant Motion.  1-3-1?  I know most folks like ITPOE, but Constant Motion is, for me, the best song on SC by miles.
I've always liked the instrumental section of Constant Motion, but I can't stand the rest of the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 04, 2021, 07:42:00 AM
Division 2 Week 5 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56173.0
1.   The Great Debate defeats Untethered Angel 18-6 
2.   Panic Attack defeats Fall into the Light 15-8 
3.   Space-Dye Vest defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 18-6
4.   Caught in a Web defeats Outcry 15-9
5.   Endless Sacrifice defeats These Walls 13-11
6.   Pale Blue Dot defeats Lie 16-8
7.   S2N defeats A New Beginning 16-8
8.   The Root of All Evil defeats Peruvian Skies 17-7
9.   Strange Deja vu defeats Surrender to Reason 21-3
10.   This Dying Soul defeats Innocence Faded 13-10
11.   This is the Life defeats Behind the Veil 13-11 
12.   Stream of Consciousness & Barstool Warrior tied 12-12 
13.   The Dance of Eternity defeats As I Am 14-10
14.   Wait For Sleep defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-8 
15.   Overture 1928 & Lifting Shadows off a Dream tied 12-12
16.   Another Day & Hellís Kitchen tied 12-12


Division 2 Standings after Week 5 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 5-0 (+71)
2. Space-Dye Vest 5-0 (+59) 
3. Wait For Sleep 5-0 (+44)
4. The Great Debate 5-0 (+40)
5. The Root of All Evil 5-0 (+39)
6. Stream of Consciousness 4-0-1 (+41)
7. Overture 1928 4-0-1 (+30)
8. Hellís Kitchen 3-0-2 (+29)
9. Panic Attack 4-1 (+27)
10. Another Day 3-1-1 (+34) 
11. Endless Sacrifice 3-1-1 (+3)
12. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 3-1-1 (+1)
13. Pale Blue Dot 3-2 (+9)   
14 Caught in a Web 3-2 (+4)
15. Barstool Warrior 1-1-3 (+3)
16. This Dying Soul 2-2-1 (-1)
17. On the Backs of Angels 2-3 (-1)
18. The Dance of Eternity 2-3 (-3)
19. S2N 2-3 (-5)
19. These Walls 2-3 (-5)
21. Lie 2-3 (-9) 
22. As I Am 1-4 (-20)     
23. A New Beginning 1-4 (-22) 
24. Fall into the Light 1-4 (-25)
25. Innocence Faded 1-4 (-28)
26. Peruvian Skies 1-4 (-31)   
37. This is the Life 1-4 (-51)
28. Surrender to Reason 0-4-1 (-44)
29. Outcry 0-5 (-31) 
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-5 (-46) 
31. Untethered Angel 0-5 (-57) 
32. Behind the Veil 0-5 (-59)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2021, 08:30:08 AM
The SDV dominion continues. Glad to see Wait for Sleep that high. A bit baffled at The Great Debate being at the top...
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 04, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
4. The Great Debate 5-0 (+40)
. . .

29. Outcry 0-5 (-31) 

Utterly and completely baffling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Evermind on February 04, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
4. The Great Debate 5-0 (+40)
. . .

29. Outcry 0-5 (-31) 

Utterly and completely baffling.

I don't really like Outcry, and I don't really like The Great Debate, so I agree.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 04, 2021, 08:37:55 PM
4. The Great Debate 5-0 (+40)
. . .

29. Outcry 0-5 (-31) 

Utterly and completely baffling.

I see no problem with this
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 05, 2021, 07:25:31 AM
Division 1 Week 5 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56178.0
1.   Home defeats Lines in the Sand 17-6
2.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Erotomania 15-8 
3.   Pull Me Under defeats The Mirror 12-11
4.   Blind Faith defeats Misunderstood 17-6
5.   The Glass Prison defeats Bridges in the Sky 14-9
6.   Surrounded defeats Illumination Theory 12-11
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Scarred 13-10
8.   A Change of Seasons defeats In the Presence of Enemies 19-4 
9.   The Spirit Carries On defeats At Witís End 13-10
10.   6:00 defeats Disappear 13-10
11.   Breaking All Illusions defeats In the Name of God 17-6
12.   Voices defeats Beyond This Life 12-11
13.   Finally Free defeats Fatal Tragedy 12-11
14.   Octavarium defeats Trial of Tears 19-4 
15.   Metropolis defeats Under a Glass Moon 19-3
16.   Learning to Live defeats Take the Time 17-5 


Division 1 Standings after Week 5 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 5-0 (+91)
2. Metropolis 5-0 (+82)
3. Learning to Live 5-0 (+74) 
4. Breaking All Illusions 5-0 (+65)
5. Octavarium 5-0 (+63)
6. Home 4-0-1 (+28)
7. Voices 4-1 (+5)
8. Take the Time 4-1 (+1)
9. Fatal Tragedy 3-2 (+20)
10. Finally Free 3-2 (+6) 
11. Beyond this Life 3-2 (+5) 
11. The Spirit Carries On 3-2 (+5)
13. Surrounded 3-2 (+4)
14. Scarred 3-2 (-11)
15. The Count of Tuscany 2-2-1 (+1)
16. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 2-2-1 (-5)
17. In the Presence of Enemies 2-2-1 (-10)   
18. Under a Glass Moon 2-2-1 (-20)   
19. Pull Me Under 2-2-1 (-31)
20. The Mirror 2-3 (-4) 
21. Erotomania 2-3 (-17) 
22. Lines in the Sand 1-3-1 (-11) 
23. Trial of Tears 1-3-1 (-18)
24. Blind Faith 1-3-1 (-35)
25. The Glass Prison 1-4 (-21) 
26. At Witís End 1-4 (-42)
27. 6:00 1-4 (-43)
28. In the Name of God 0-4-1 (-24)
29. Bridges in the Sky 0-5 (-37)
30. Disappear 0-5 (-40)
31. Misunderstood 0-5 (-46)
32. Illumination Theory 0-5 (-55)


And just like that, the regular season is 25% completed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 05, 2021, 07:34:21 AM
Not many changes. Wow, we're already 1/4 through!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2021, 09:26:21 AM
Albums Ė Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56182.0
1.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats Dream Theater 13-11 
2.   When Dream and Day Unite defeats Systematic Chaos 13-11   
3.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Falling into Infinity 23-1 
4.   Octavarium defeats The Astonishing 19-5 
5.   Awake defeats Distance over Time 18-6 
6.   Images & Words defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 19-5 
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Train of Thought 21-3


The Album Standings after Week 3 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 3-0 (+71)
2. Images & Words 3-0 (+53) 
3. Awake 3-0 (+47)
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 3-0 (+47)
5. Octavarium 3-0 (+31)
6. Dream Theater 1-2 (-3)
7. Distance over Time 1-2 (-12) 
8. When Dream and Day Unite 1-2 (-13)
9. A Dramatic Turn of Events 1-2 (-16)
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 1-2 (-34)
11. Falling Into Infinity 1-2 (-37) 
12. Systematic Chaos 0-3 (-36)
13. The Astonishing 0-3 (-49)
13. Train of Thought 0-3 (-49) 

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
Kinda weird o see Train of Thought at the very bottom.

Awake is holding out on par with Images and Words, so far!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 06, 2021, 11:02:13 AM
Kinda weird o see Train of Thought at the very bottom.

Not when you consider that its three opponents have been SFAM, 8VM and SDOIT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 07, 2021, 02:24:59 PM
Kinda weird o see Train of Thought at the very bottom.

Not when you consider that its three opponents have been SFAM, 8VM and SDOIT.

Train of Thought will get some wins eventually. My prediction is a 7-6 record, losing to the big four, 8VM, and ADToE while taking victories against all other albums. My finals standings prediction is this...

01: Images and Words (13-0)
02: Scenes From a Memory (12-1)
03: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (11-2)
04: Awake (10-3)
05: A Dramatic Turn of Events (9-4)
06: Octavarium (8-5)
07: Train of Thought (7-6)
08: Distance Over Time (6-7)
09: Falling Into Infinity (5-8)
10: The Astonishing (4-9)
11: Dream Theater (3-10)
12: Systematic Chaos (2-11)
13: Black Clouds & Silver Linings (1-12)
14: When Dream and Day Unite (0-13)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 07, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
The debut album already won a round however  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 07, 2021, 03:35:52 PM
My finals standings prediction is this...

01: Images and Words (13-0)
02: Scenes From a Memory (12-1)
03: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (11-2)
04: Awake (10-3)
05: A Dramatic Turn of Events (9-4)
06: Octavarium (8-5)
07: Train of Thought (7-6)
08: Distance Over Time (6-7)
09: Falling Into Infinity (5-8)
10: The Astonishing (4-9)
11: Dream Theater (3-10)
12: Systematic Chaos (2-11)
13: Black Clouds & Silver Linings (1-12)
14: When Dream and Day Unite (0-13)

Ummm...

Albums Ė Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56182.0
1.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats Dream Theater 13-11 
2.   When Dream and Day Unite defeats Systematic Chaos 13-11 
3.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Falling into Infinity 23-1 
4.   Octavarium defeats The Astonishing 19-5 
5.   Awake defeats Distance over Time 18-6 
6.   Images & Words defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 19-5 
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Train of Thought 21-3

I'd be beyond shocked if TA ends up with four wins.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 08, 2021, 09:59:59 AM
My finals standings prediction is this...

01: Images and Words (13-0)
02: Scenes From a Memory (12-1)
03: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (11-2)
04: Awake (10-3)
05: A Dramatic Turn of Events (9-4)
06: Octavarium (8-5)
07: Train of Thought (7-6)
08: Distance Over Time (6-7)
09: Falling Into Infinity (5-8)
10: The Astonishing (4-9)
11: Dream Theater (3-10)
12: Systematic Chaos (2-11)
13: Black Clouds & Silver Linings (1-12)
14: When Dream and Day Unite (0-13)

Ummm...

Albums Ė Week 3 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56182.0
1.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats Dream Theater 13-11 
2.   When Dream and Day Unite defeats Systematic Chaos 13-11 
3.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Falling into Infinity 23-1 
4.   Octavarium defeats The Astonishing 19-5 
5.   Awake defeats Distance over Time 18-6 
6.   Images & Words defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 19-5 
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Train of Thought 21-3

I'd be beyond shocked if TA ends up with four wins.

Oops didnít even notice that. Iím giving The Astonishing four wins because I think enough people like it to get it past WDaDU, SC, BC&SL, and DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2021, 07:22:28 AM
Division 3 Week 6 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56192.0
1.   New Millennium defeats Three Days 14-11 
2.   Raise the Knife defeats Dystopian Overture 17-6 
3.   The Path That Divides defeats The Gift of Music 14-11
4.   Through Her Eyes defeats Ravenskill 14-11 
5.   Forsaken defeats A Life Left Behind 15-11
6.   Wither defeats Lord Nafaryus 18-8
7.   Sacrificed Sons defeats A Better Life 20-6 
8.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Paralyzed 19-7
9.   Honor Thy Father defeats Out of Reach 14-12
10.   The Bigger Picture defeats The Shattered Fortress 15-11 
11.   Beneath the Surface defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 20-6
12.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Constant Motion 18-8 
13.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats The Enemy Inside 16-9
14.   One Last Time defeats Vacant 18-8 
15.   Ytse Jam defeats Hollow Years 14-12
16.   The Killing Hand defeats The Silent Man 15-11


Division 3 Standings after Week 6 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 6-0 (+69)
2. Raise the Knife 6-0 (+44)
3. The Killing Hand 6-0 (+41) 
4. Only a Matter of Time 6-0 (+35)
5. The Shattered Fortress 5-1 (+24)
T6. Lost Not Forgotten 5-1 (+23)   
T6. Ytse Jam 5-1 (+23)
8. The Path That Divides 4-1-1 (+9)
9. Honor Thy Father 4-1-1 (+6)
10. One Last Time 4-2 (+39)
11. Beneath the Surface 4-2 (+18) 
12. Wither 4-2 (+5)
13. The Enemy Inside 4-2 (-1)
14. Through Her Eyes 3-2-1 (+7)
15. A Nightmare to Remember 3-3 (+4)
16. New Millennium 3-3 (+1)
17. The Silent Man 2-2-2 (-1) 
18. Hollow Years 2-3-1 (+14)
19. Vacant 2-3-1 (-16) 
20. The Gift of Music 2-4 (-8)
21. Out of Reach 2-4 (-9)
22. The Bigger Picture 2-4 (-12)
23. Three Days 1-4-1 (-10)
24. Constant Motion 1-4-1 (-22) 
25. A Life Left Behind 1-5 (-5)
26. Forsaken 1-5 (-16)   
27. Dystopian Overture 1-5 (-33)
28. Paralyzed 1-5 (-34)
29. A Better Life 1-5 (-39) 
30. Lord Nafaryus 0-5-1 (-37) 
31. Ravenskill 0-6 (-42)
32. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 0-6 (-77)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 10, 2021, 07:34:44 AM
I know the competition is not tough, but it's weird to see Sacrificed Sons leading undefeated.

To complete the four best of, we have a leftover and two Charlie songs, the revenge of the forgotten  ;D

And I'm gonna point out the shame of Ravenskill being last until it will no longer be!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 10, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
IMO, Sacrificed Sons is pretty easily the best song in this division.  Of course, the song I think is second best is 1-4-1, so....

And, not surprisingly, 7 of the 8 TA songs in the division are in the bottom half (although the one in the top half is performing quite well).
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2021, 08:32:25 AM
Division 2 Week 6 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56194.0
1.   As I Am defeats S2N 16-8
2.   Peruvian Skies defeats Pale Blue Dot 13-11
3.   Overture 1928 defeats Surrender to Reason 17-7
4.   Endless Sacrifice & Innocence Faded tied 12-12
5.   This is the Life defeats Outcry 14-10 
6.   Panic Attack defeats Untethered Angel 17-7
7.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Behind the Veil 17-7
8.   The Ministry of Lost Souls & A New Beginning tied 11-11
9.   Lie defeats Caught in a Web 13-11 
10.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream & These Walls tied 12-12 
11.   This Dying Soul defeats On the Backs of Angels 15-9 
12.   Strange Deja vu defeats Fall into the Light 20-4
13.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Barstool Warrior 13-11 
14.   The Root of All Evil & Another Day tied 12-12 
15.   Hellís Kitchen defeats The Great Debate 14-10 
16.   Wait for Sleep defeats Stream of Consciousness 13-11 


Division 2 Standings after Week 6 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 6-0 (+87)
2. Space-Dye Vest 6-0 (+61) 
3. Wait for Sleep 6-0 (+46)
4. Overture 1928 5-0-1 (+40)
5. The Root of All Evil 5-0-1 (+39)
6. Panic Attack 5-1 (+37)
7. The Great Debate 5-1 (+36)
8. Hellís Kitchen 4-0-2 (+33)
9. Stream of Consciousness 4-1-1 (+39)
10. Another Day 3-1-2 (+34) 
11. Endless Sacrifice 3-1-2 (+3)
12. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 3-1-2 (+1)
13. This Dying Soul 3-2-1 (+5)
14. The Dance of Eternity 3-3 (+7)
14. Pale Blue Dot 3-3 (+7)   
16 Caught in a Web 3-3 (+2)
17. Lie 3-3 (-7) 
18. Barstool Warrior 1-2-3 (+1)
19. These Walls 2-3-1 (-5)
20. On the Backs of Angels 2-4 (-7)
21. As I Am 2-4 (-12)     
22. S2N 2-4 (-13)
23. Peruvian Skies 2-4 (-29)   
24. This is the Life 2-4 (-47)
25. A New Beginning 1-4-1 (-22) 
26. Innocence Faded 1-4-1 (-28)
27. Fall into the Light 1-5 (-41)
28. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-5-1 (-46) 
29. Surrender to Reason 0-5-1 (-54)
30. Outcry 0-6 (-35) 
31. Untethered Angel 0-6 (-67) 
32. Behind the Veil 0-6 (-69)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2021, 08:58:54 AM
The SDV rule continues.

At the bottom, only Mangini songs!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 12, 2021, 07:19:38 AM
Division 1 Week 6 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56199.0
1.   The Glass Prison defeats Illumination Theory 13-12
2.   Blind Faith defeats At Witís End 14-11 
3.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Misunderstood 19-6
4.   Take the Time defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-8 
5.   Voices defeats Disappear 19-6
6.   The Mirror defeats In the Name of God 14-11
7.   The Count of Tuscany defeats 6:00 18-7
8.   Lines in the Sand defeats The Spirit Carries On 13-12 
9.   Learning to Live defeats Erotomania 21-4 
10.   Trial of Tears defeats Pull Me Under 16-9 
11.   Surrounded defeats Under a Glass Moon 13-12
12.   Beyond This Life defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-11
13.   Metropolis defeats Finally Free 16-9
14.   Octavarium defeats Scarred 19-6 
15.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Fatal Tragedy 18-7
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Home 19-6 


Division 1 Standings after Week 6 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 6-0 (+104)
2. Learning to Live 6-0 (+91) 
3. Metropolis 6-0 (+89)
4. Breaking All Illusions 6-0 (+76)
5. Octavarium 6-0 (+76)
6. Voices 5-1 (+18)
7. Take the Time 5-1 (+10)
8. Home 4-1-1 (+15)
9. Beyond this Life 4-2 (+8) 
10. Surrounded 4-2 (+5)
11. The Count of Tuscany 3-2-1 (+12)
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 3-2-1 (+8)
13. Fatal Tragedy 3-3 (+9)
14. The Spirit Carries On 3-3 (+4)
15. Finally Free 3-3 (-1) 
15. The Mirror 3-3 (-1) 
17. Scarred 3-3 (-24)
18. Lines in the Sand 2-3-1 (-10)   
19. Trial of Tears 2-3-1 (-11)
20. In the Presence of Enemies 2-3-1 (-13)   
21. Under a Glass Moon 2-3-1 (-21)   
22. Blind Faith 2-3-1 (-32) 
23. Pull Me Under 2-3-1 (-38)
24. The Glass Prison 2-4 (-20) 
25. Erotomania 2-4 (-34) 
26. At Witís End 1-5 (-45)
27. 6:00 1-5 (-54)
28. In the Name of God 0-5-1 (-27)
29. Bridges in the Sky 0-6 (-46)
30. Disappear 0-6 (-53)
31. Illumination Theory 0-6 (-56)
32. Misunderstood 0-6 (-59)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 12, 2021, 07:38:52 AM
Nothing beats the heavyweights! we'll see what happens when they'll face off each other....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 13, 2021, 09:28:10 AM
The Albums Ė Week 4 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56200.0
1.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats When Dream and Day Unite 14-10
2.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Systematic Chaos 24-0
3.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats The Astonishing 17-7 
4.   Train of Thought defeats Dream Theater 16-8
5.   Distance over Time defeats Falling into Infinity 16-8
6.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Octavarium 17-7
7.   Images and Words defeats Awake 15-9


The Album Standings after Week 4 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 4-0 (+95)
2. Images & Words 4-0 (+59) 
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4-0 (+57)
4. Awake 3-1 (+41)
5. Octavarium 3-1 (+21)
6. Distance over Time 2-2 (-4) 
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events 2-2 (-6)
8. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 2-2 (-30)
9. Dream Theater 1-3 (-11)
10. When Dream and Day Unite 1-3 (-17)
11. Train of Thought 1-3 (-41) 
12. Falling Into Infinity 1-3 (-45) 
13. The Astonishing 0-4 (-59)
14. Systematic Chaos 0-4 (-60)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2021, 10:43:54 AM
The big match of the Kevin Moore albums has the first casualty... and now only three albums remain undefeated!

The fact that SFAM completely trashed unopposed Systematic Chaos gave it also a huuuge lead on points difference....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 17, 2021, 07:35:44 AM
Division 3 Week 7 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56210.0
1.   Build Me Up, Break Me Down defeats Ravenskill 13-12
2.   The Gift of Music defeats Forsaken 14-11 
3.   Wither defeats Dystopian Overture 16-9 
4.   Only a Matter of Time defeats A Better Life 16-8
5.   Three Days defeats Vacant 16-9
6.   Ytse Jam defeats The Bigger Picture 17-8
7.   Constant Motion defeats Paralyzed 15-10
8.   Through Her Eyes defeats A Life Left Behind 15-10 
9.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Hollow Years 13-12
10.   The Silent Man defeats Out of Reach 16-9
11.   Beneath the Surface defeats Lord Nafaryus 16-9
12.   One Last Time defeats The Shattered Fortress 16-9 
13.   Raise the Knife defeats New Millennium 15-9
14.   The Killing Hand defeats The Path That Divides 16-8
15.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Enemy Inside 17-8 
16.   Honor Thy Father defeats A Nightmare to Remember 13-12


Division 3 Standings after Week 7 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 7-0 (+78)
2. Raise the Knife 7-0 (+50)
3. The Killing Hand 7-0 (+49) 
4. Only a Matter of Time 7-0 (+43)
5. Ytse Jam 6-1 (+32)
6. Lost Not Forgotten 6-1 (+24)   
7. Honor Thy Father 5-1-1 (+7)
8. One Last Time 5-2 (+46)
9. Beneath the Surface 5-2 (+25) 
10. The Shattered Fortress 5-2 (+17)
11. Wither 5-2 (+12)
12. Through Her Eyes 4-2-1 (+12)
13. The Path That Divides 4-2-1 (+1)
14. The Silent Man 3-2-2 (+6) 
15. The Enemy Inside 4-3 (-10)
16. A Nightmare to Remember 3-4 (+3)
17. The Gift of Music 3-4 (-5)
17. New Millennium 3-4 (-5)
19. Hollow Years 2-4-1 (+13)
20. Three Days 2-4-1 (-3)
21. Constant Motion 2-4-1 (-17) 
22. Vacant 2-4-1 (-23) 
23. The Bigger Picture 2-5 (-3)
24. Out of Reach 2-5 (-16)
25. A Life Left Behind 1-6 (-10)
26. Forsaken 1-6 (-19)   
27. Paralyzed 1-6 (-39)
28. Dystopian Overture 1-6 (-40)
29. A Better Life 1-6 (-47) 
30. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 1-6 (-76)
31. Lord Nafaryus 0-6-1 (-44) 
32. Ravenskill 0-7 (-43)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 17, 2021, 07:38:45 AM
Ravenskill at the very bottom and the only song always defeated? wait 'til Lord Nafaryus hears about this  >:(

(No, wait, actually Nafaryus would be happy that the namesake song of the rebels is doing bad  :D)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on February 17, 2021, 08:36:17 AM
Keeping in mind that RTK and OAMOT were just promoted from the orcus of unranked songs, they're doing quite well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 18, 2021, 07:39:31 AM
Division 2 Week 7 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56213.0
1.   On the Backs of Angels defeats Outcry 16-10
2.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Fall into the Light 16-10 
3.   Pale Blue Dot defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 13-12 
4.   Caught in a Web defeats S2N 16-10
5.   Peruvian Skies defeats These Walls 15-11 
6.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Surrender to Reason 19-7
7.   Innocence Faded defeats Lie 14-11
8.   A New Beginning defeats This is the Life 15-10
9.   This Dying Soul defeats Untethered Angel 19-7
10.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Behind the Veil 18-8
11.   The Root of All Evil defeats Barstool Warrior 19-7 
12.   Panic Attack defeats As I Am 16-10 
13.   Strange Deja vu defeats The Great Debate 17-9
14.   Space-Dye Vest defeats The Dance of Eternity 17-9
15.   Overture 1928 defeats Another Day 14-12 
16.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Wait for Sleep 14-12 


Division 2 Standings after Week 7 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 7-0 (+95)
2. Space-Dye Vest 7-0 (+69) 
3. The Root of All Evil 6-0-1 (+51)
4. Overture 1928 6-0-1 (+42)
5. Wait for Sleep 6-1 (+44)
6. Panic Attack 6-1 (+43)
7. Hellís Kitchen 5-0-2 (+35)
8. Stream of Consciousness 5-1-1 (+49)
9. The Great Debate 5-2 (+28)
10. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 4-1-2 (+13)
11. Endless Sacrifice 4-1-2 (+9)
12. This Dying Soul 4-2-1 (+17)
13. Another Day 3-2-2 (+32) 
14 Caught in a Web 4-3 (+8)
14. Pale Blue Dot 4-3 (+8)   
16. The Dance of Eternity 3-4 (-1)
16. On the Backs of Angels 3-4 (-1)
18. Lie 3-4 (-10) 
19. Peruvian Skies 3-4 (-25)   
20. Barstool Warrior 1-3-3 (-11)
21. These Walls 2-4-1 (-9)
22. A New Beginning 2-4-1 (-17) 
23. Innocence Faded 2-4-1 (-25)
24. As I Am 2-5 (-18)     
25. S2N 2-5 (-19)
26. This is the Life 2-5 (-52)
27. Fall into the Light 1-6 (-47)
28. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-6-1 (-47) 
29. Surrender to Reason 0-6-1 (-66)
30. Outcry 0-7 (-41) 
31. Behind the Veil 0-7 (-79)
31. Untethered Angel 0-7 (-79) 


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 18, 2021, 07:43:58 AM
SDV alone at the top, Mangini songs at the bottom.

Wait for Sleep gives way and for now it's out of the top 4!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 19, 2021, 07:27:47 AM
Division 1 Week 7 -  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56215.0
1.   A Change of Seasons defeats Misunderstood 22-4
2.   Octavarium defeats The Glass Prison 19-7
3.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats At Witís End 14-12
4.   Under a Glass Moon & Illumination Theory tied 13-13 
5.   Surrounded defeats Pull Me Under 16-10
6.   Blind Faith defeats Erotomania 17-9 
7.   Finally Free defeats Bridges in the Sky 15-11
8.   Trial of Tears defeats Disappear 17-9
9.   The Spirit Carries On defeats 6:00 15-11
10.   Home defeats Fatal Tragedy 15-11
11.   Scarred defeats Beyond This Life 16-10
12.   The Count of Tuscany defeats The Mirror 15-11
13.   Metropolis defeats In the Name of God 20-6
14.   Voices defeats Lines in the Sand 17-9
15.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Take the Time 18-8 
16.   Learning to Live defeats Breaking All Illusions 16-10


Division 1 Standings after Week 7 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 7-0 (+122)
2. Metropolis 7-0 (+103)
3. Learning to Live 7-0 (+97) 
4. Octavarium 7-0 (+88)
5. Breaking All Illusions 6-1 (+70)
6. Voices 6-1 (+26)
7. Home 5-1-1 (+19)
8. Surrounded 5-2 (+11)
9. Take the Time 5-2 (0)
10. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4-2-1 (+18)
11. The Count of Tuscany 4-2-1 (+16)
12. The Spirit Carries On 4-3 (+8)
13. Finally Free 4-3 (+3) 
14. Beyond this Life 4-3 (+2) 
15. Scarred 4-3 (-18)
16. Trial of Tears 3-3-1 (-3)
17. In the Presence of Enemies 3-3-1 (-11)   
18. Blind Faith 3-3-1 (-24) 
19. Fatal Tragedy 3-4 (+5)
20. The Mirror 3-4 (-5) 
21. Under a Glass Moon 2-3-2 (-21)   
22. Lines in the Sand 2-4-1 (-18)   
23. Pull Me Under 2-4-1 (-44)
24. The Glass Prison 2-5 (-32) 
25. Erotomania 2-5 (-42) 
26. At Witís End 1-6 (-47)
27. 6:00 1-6 (-58)
28. In the Name of God 0-6-1 (-41)
29. Illumination Theory 0-6-1 (-56)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-7 (-50)
31. Disappear 0-7 (-61)
32. Misunderstood 0-7 (-77)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 19, 2021, 07:32:07 AM
The "Learning to Live derby" leaves the usual four heavyweights alone at the top!

While Illumination Theory at the bottom snatches a draw which means that two Six Degrees songs are now the very last two (Bridges in the Sky notwithstanding), with a complete string of defeats so far....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 20, 2021, 08:07:44 AM
The Albums Ė Week 5 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56218.0
1.   Falling into Infinity defeats When Dream and Day Unite 20-9 
2.   Train of Thought defeats The Astonishing 18-11
3.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Dream Theater 26-3 
4.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats Systematic Chaos 15-14 
5.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Distance over Time 17-12
6.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Awake 24-5 
7.   Images and Words defeats Octavarium 21-8   


The Album Standings after Week 5 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 5-0 (+114)
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 5-0 (+80)
3. Images & Words 5-0 (+72) 
4. Awake 3-2 (+22)
5. Octavarium 3-2 (+8)
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 3-2 (-1)
7. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-2 (-29)
8. Distance over Time 2-3 (-9) 
9. Train of Thought 2-3 (-34) 
9. Falling Into Infinity 2-3 (-34) 
11. When Dream and Day Unite 1-4 (-28)
12. Dream Theater 1-4 (-34)
13. Systematic Chaos 0-5 (-61)
14. The Astonishing 0-5 (-66)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2021, 08:32:12 AM
The heavyweight matches give their results on the ranking: now we have three albums on the run, and everyone else detached of 2 victories!

The bottom adjustes with Systematic Chaos and The Astonishing as the only album without a victory....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 20, 2021, 12:20:26 PM
Top 4:  no surprise.

Bottom 2:  no surprise.

BC&SL performing better than expected.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 21, 2021, 11:00:26 AM
Letís make no mistake about it, and I say this as a fan of the album, Black Clouds & Silver Linings has had an easy beginning of its schedule, beating When Dream and Day Unite, Systematic Chaos, and the self titled. It has one more realistically winnable matchup against The Astonishing and then itís all losses from there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 24, 2021, 07:32:56 AM
Division 3 Week 8 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56232.0
1.   Paralyzed defeats Ravenskill 16-8 
2.   Wither defeats Hollow Years 13-11
3.   Ytse Jam & The Gift of Music tied 12-12
4.   Out of Reach defeats Vacant 13-11
5.   Lord Nafaryus defeats A Better Life 12-10
6.   One Last Time defeats Three Days 16-8 
7.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Dystopian Overture 21-3 
8.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats New Millennium 15-9
9.   The Bigger Picture defeats Raise the Knife 12-11
10.   The Enemy Inside defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 17-6
11.   Constant Motion defeats Beneath the Surface 15-9 
12.   The Silent Man defeats Forsaken 14-10 
13.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats A Life Left Behind 14-9 
14.   Only a Matter of Time defeats The Path That Divides 13-10
15.   Through Her Eyes defeats Honor Thy Father 15-9
16.   The Killing Hand defeats The Shattered Fortress 14-9


Division 3 Standings after Week 8 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 8-0 (+96)
2. The Killing Hand 8-0 (+54) 
3. Only a Matter of Time 8-0 (+46)
4. Raise the Knife 7-1 (+49)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 7-1 (+29)   
6. Ytse Jam 6-1-1 (+32)
7. One Last Time 6-2 (+54)
8. Wither 6-2 (+14)
9. Through Her Eyes 5-2-1 (+18)
10. Honor Thy Father 5-2-1 (+1)
11. Beneath the Surface 5-3 (+19) 
12. The Shattered Fortress 5-3 (+12)
13. The Silent Man 4-2-2 (+10) 
14. The Enemy Inside 5-3 (+1)
15. The Path That Divides 4-3-1 (-2)
16. A Nightmare to Remember 4-4 (+9)
17. The Gift of Music 3-4-1 (-5)
18. Constant Motion 3-4-1 (-11) 
19. The Bigger Picture 3-5 (-2)
20. New Millennium 3-5 (-11)
21. Out of Reach 3-5 (-14)
22. Hollow Years 2-5-1 (+11)
23. Three Days 2-5-1 (-11)
24. Vacant 2-5-1 (-25) 
25. Paralyzed 2-6 (-31)
26. Lord Nafaryus 1-6-1 (-42) 
27. A Life Left Behind 1-7 (-15)
28. Forsaken 1-7 (-23)   
29. A Better Life 1-7 (-49) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-7 (-58)
31. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 1-7 (-87)
32. Ravenskill 0-8 (-51)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 24, 2021, 07:50:51 AM
Nothing changes at the top or at the bottom, but Raise the Knife, while still maintaing the top 4 slot, gives way with a defeat!

Ravenskill being the very last still displeases me. Such as seing A Life Left Behind above A Better Life, I think Better is, ehr, the better song out of the two.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 25, 2021, 07:31:49 AM
Division 2 Week 8 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56235.0
1.   As I Am defeats Pale Blue Dot 13-11 
2.   Overture 1928 defeats S2N 15-9
3.   Peruvian Skies defeats Endless Sacrifice 13-11 
4.   Outcry defeats Surrender to Reason 14-10 
5.   Hellís Kitchen defeats This is the Life 18-6
6.   Panic Attack & Barstool Warrior tied 12-12 
7.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Untethered Angel 18-6
8.   Stream of Consciousness defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-8
9.   Fall into the Light defeats Behind the Veil 16-8
10.   Strange Deja vu defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 19-5 
11.   The Root of All Evil defeats Caught in a Web 16-8
12.   These Walls defeats A New Beginning 15-9
13.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Lie 13-11
14.   The Great Debate defeats Wait For Sleep 14-10
15.   This Dying Soul & Another Day tied 12-12 
16.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Innocence Faded 16-8


Division 2 Standings after Week 8 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 8-0 (+109)
2. Space-Dye Vest 8-0 (+77) 
3. The Root of All Evil 7-0-1 (+59)
4. Overture 1928 7-0-1 (+48)
5. Hellís Kitchen 6-0-2 (+47)
6. Stream of Consciousness 6-1-1 (+57)
7. Panic Attack 6-1-1 (+43)
8. Wait for Sleep 6-2 (+40)
9. The Great Debate 6-2 (+32)
10. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 5-1-2 (+15)
11. This Dying Soul 4-2-2 (+17)
12. Endless Sacrifice 4-2-2 (+7)
13. Another Day 3-2-3 (+32) 
14. The Dance of Eternity 4-4 (+11)
15. Pale Blue Dot 4-4 (+6)
16 Caught in a Web 4-4 (0)   
17. Peruvian Skies 4-4 (-23)   
18. These Walls 3-4-1 (-3)
19. On the Backs of Angels 3-5 (-9)
20. Barstool Warrior 1-3-4 (-11)
21. Lie 3-5 (-12) 
22. As I Am 3-5 (-16)     
23. A New Beginning 2-5-1 (-23) 
24. Innocence Faded 2-5-1 (-33)
25. S2N 2-6 (-25)
26. Fall into the Light 2-6 (-39)
27. This is the Life 2-6 (-64)
28. Outcry 1-7 (-37) 
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-7-1 (-61) 
30. Surrender to Reason 0-7-1 (-70)
31. Behind the Veil 0-8 (-87)
32. Untethered Angel 0-8 (-91) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 25, 2021, 07:35:50 AM
The SDV rule continues unopposed.

At the bottom, Outcry manages to move away from the hot zone, at Ministry's disadvantage! (now the only Portnoy song at risk)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 26, 2021, 06:58:12 AM
Division 1 Week 8 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56238.0
1.   Erotomania defeats 6:00 13-11
2.   The Mirror defeats At Witís End 15-9
3.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Disappear 17-7
4.   The Count of Tuscany defeats In the Name of God 15-9
5.   A Change of Seasons defeats Surrounded 21-3
6.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Lines in the Sand 15-9 
7.   Octavarium defeats Bridges in the Sky 21-3
8.   Learning to Live defeats Pull Me Under 22-1
9.   Metropolis defeats Beyond This Life 18-6 
10.   Trial of Tears defeats Misunderstood 19-5 
11.   The Glass Prison defeats In the Presence of Enemies 13-11 
12.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Illumination Theory 15-9 
13.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Blind Faith 13-11
14.   Finally Free defeats The Spirit Carries On 17-7 
15.   Scarred defeats Home 13-11
16.   Voices defeats Take the Time 14-10



Division 1 Standings after Week 8 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 8-0 (+140)
2. Learning to Live 8-0 (+118) 
3. Metropolis 8-0 (+115)
4. Octavarium 8-0 (+106)
5. Breaking All Illusions 7-1 (+76)
6. Voices 7-1 (+30)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 5-2-1 (+24)
8. The Count of Tuscany 5-2-1 (+22)
9. Home 5-2-1 (+17)    
10. Finally Free 5-3 (+13) 
11. Take the Time 5-3 (-4)
12. Surrounded 5-3 (-7)
13. Scarred 5-3 (-16)
14. Trial of Tears 4-3-1 (+11)
15. Fatal Tragedy 4-4 (+15)
16. The Mirror 4-4 (+1) 
17. The Spirit Carries On 4-4 (-2)
18. Beyond this Life 4-4 (-10) 
19. Under a Glass Moon 3-3-2 (-19)   
20. In the Presence of Enemies 3-4-1 (-13)   
21. Blind Faith 3-4-1 (-26) 
22. The Glass Prison 3-5 (-30) 
23. Erotomania 3-5 (-40) 
24. Lines in the Sand 2-5-1 (-24)   
25. Pull Me Under 2-5-1 (-65)
26. At Witís End 1-7 (-53)
27. 6:00 1-7 (-60)
28. In the Name of God 0-7-1 (-47)
29. Illumination Theory 0-7-1 (-62)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-8 (-68)
31. Disappear 0-8 (-71)
32. Misunderstood 0-8 (-91)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 26, 2021, 07:12:19 AM
Nothing stops the Big 4... and nothing seems to save the "Last 4" it seems!

While Breaking All Illusions is the only Mangini song at the top and more generally the best performing song post-Score, The Count of Tuscany is the other post-Score song in the top 10, at a very respectable 8th place, considering that the third post-Score song is 20th.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 26, 2021, 05:52:47 PM
I'm mostly ok with the bottom 4 here. The only difference is that I'd replace Illumination Theory with 6:00.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 27, 2021, 08:57:55 AM
The Albums Ė Week 6 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56239.0
1.   Awake defeats Dream Theater 24-1 
2.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats When Dream and Day Unite 21-4 
3.   Octavarium defeats Systematic Chaos 19-6 
4.   Images and Words defeats Distance over Time 22-3 
5.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Falling into Infinity 15-10
6.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats The Astonishing 24-1   
7.   Train of Thought defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 18-7 



The Album Standings after Week 6 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 6-0 (+137)
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-0 (+97)
3. Images & Words 6-0 (+91) 
4. Awake 4-2 (+45)
5. Octavarium 4-2 (+21)
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 4-2 (+4)
7. Train of Thought 3-3 (-23)   
8. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-3 (-40)
9. Distance over Time 2-4 (-28) 
10. Falling Into Infinity 2-4 (-39) 
11. When Dream and Day Unite 1-5 (-45)
12. Dream Theater 1-5 (-57)
13. Systematic Chaos 0-6 (-74)
14. The Astonishing 0-6 (-89)



Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on February 27, 2021, 11:50:16 AM
Just some movements in the middle, but for the rest the album standing remains the same since last week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: RoeDent on February 27, 2021, 12:01:05 PM
I'm honestly kinda surprised that Six Degrees is up there with the twin peak legends of I&W and SFAM. I would've assumed the title track taking up the entire second half would drag the album's rating down. Or is disc 1 so great that the title track's apparent genericity doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Revenge319 on February 27, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
I'm honestly kinda surprised that Six Degrees is up there with the twin peak legends of I&W and SFAM. I would've assumed the title track taking up the entire second half would drag the album's rating down. Or is disc 1 so great that the title track's apparent genericity doesn't matter?

The title track of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is the greatest song on the album to me, and I'd consider it one of the greatest pieces of music ever made.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 27, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
I'm honestly kinda surprised that Six Degrees is up there with the twin peak legends of I&W and SFAM. I would've assumed the title track taking up the entire second half would drag the album's rating down. Or is disc 1 so great that the title track's apparent genericity doesn't matter?

I imagine the greatness of disc 2 pumps up the votes despite disc 1 closing with a couple very weak songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 27, 2021, 05:45:25 PM
I'm honestly kinda surprised that Six Degrees is up there with the twin peak legends of I&W and SFAM. I would've assumed the title track taking up the entire second half would drag the album's rating down. Or is disc 1 so great that the title track's apparent genericity doesn't matter?
I imagine the greatness of disc 2 pumps up the votes despite disc 1 closing with a couple very weak songs.
Not in my case. If split apart as separate releases, disc 1 would be at the top of the list and disc 2 near the bottom. Disappear is probably my favorite of their ballads and I rate it extremely high, and I also really like TGD a lot. Can't say the same for disc 2, altho it has grown on me over time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on February 27, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
I'm honestly kinda surprised that Six Degrees is up there with the twin peak legends of I&W and SFAM. I would've assumed the title track taking up the entire second half would drag the album's rating down. Or is disc 1 so great that the title track's apparent genericity doesn't matter?
I imagine the greatness of disc 2 pumps up the votes despite disc 1 closing with a couple very weak songs.
Not in my case. If split apart as separate releases, disc 1 would be at the top of the list and disc 2 near the bottom. Disappear is probably my favorite of their ballads and I rate it extremely high, and I also really like TGD a lot. Can't say the same for disc 2, altho it has grown on me over time.

SDOIT as a single-disc album without TGD and Disappear would probably rank above SFAM as my favorite DT album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2021, 07:27:30 AM
Division 1 Week 9 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56245.0
1.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats Ravenskill 19-5
2.   Paralyzed defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 16-9
3.   Wither defeats A Better Life 14-11
4.   Honor Thy Father defeats Three Days 14-10 
5.   Ytse Jam defeats Dystopian Overture 18-7 
6.   The Killing Hand defeats The Gift of Music 17-8
7.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Vacant 13-12
8.   Through Her Eyes defeats Constant Motion 14-11 
9.   Hollow Years defeats Forsaken 14-11
10.   Out of Reach defeats A Life Left Behind 13-12 
11.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Lord Nafaryus 15-9 
12.   One Last Time defeats The Silent Man 18-7 
13.   New Millennium defeats The Shattered Fortress 14-11
14.   The Path That Divides defeats The Bigger Picture 14-11
15.   Raise the Knife defeats The Enemy Inside 14-9 
16.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Beneath the Surface 14-11 


Division 3 Standings after Week 9 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 9-0 (+99)
2. The Killing Hand 9-0 (+63) 
3. Only a Matter of Time 9-0 (+47)
4. Raise the Knife 8-1 (+54)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 8-1 (+35)   
6. Ytse Jam 7-1-1 (+43)
7. One Last Time 7-2 (+65)
8. Wither 7-2 (+17)
9. Through Her Eyes 6-2-1 (+21)
10. Honor Thy Father 6-2-1 (+5)
11. The Path That Divides 5-3-1 (+1)
12. A Nightmare to Remember 5-4 (+23)
13. The Silent Man 4-3-2 (+21) 
14. Beneath the Surface 5-4 (+16) 
15. The Shattered Fortress 5-4 (+9)
16. The Enemy Inside 5-4 (-4)
17. New Millennium 4-5 (-8)
18. Out of Reach 4-5 (-13)
19. Hollow Years 3-5-1 (+14)
20. Constant Motion 3-5-1 (-14) 
20. The Gift of Music 3-5-1 (-14)
22. The Bigger Picture 3-6 (-5)
23. Paralyzed 3-6 (-24)
24. Three Days 2-6-1 (-15)
25. Vacant 2-6-1 (-26) 
26. Lord Nafaryus 1-7-1 (-48) 
27. A Life Left Behind 1-8 (-16)
28. Forsaken 1-8 (-26)   
29. A Better Life 1-8 (-52) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-8 (-69)
31. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 1-8 (-94)
32. Ravenskill 0-9 (-65)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 03, 2021, 07:29:18 AM
Sacrificed Sons keeps the lead after a narrow victory over Beneath the Surface.

Gaaah, Ravenskill is the very last and the only song to have never won a single match!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 04, 2021, 06:50:33 AM
Division 2 Week 9 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56247.0
1.   Overture 1928 defeats On the Backs of Angels 15-7 
2.   This Dying Soul defeats Behind the Veil 13-9
3.   Pale Blue Dot defeats Fall into the Light 13-9 
4.   Another Day & S2N tied 11-11
5.   Peruvian Skies defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 15-6 
6.   Caught in a Web defeats Surrender to Reason 14-8
7.   These Walls defeats Innocence Faded 12-10
8.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats This is the Life 15-7
9.   The Root of All Evil defeats Untethered Angel 21-1 
10.   Barstool Warrior defeats Lie 14-8   
11.   Hellís Kitchen defeats As I Am 14-8 
12.   Wait For Sleep defeats Outcry 15-6
13.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Endless Sacrifice 14-8 
14.   The Great Debate defeats A New Beginning 14-8 
15.   Strange Deja vu defeats Stream of Consciousness 18-4 
16.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Panic Attack 15-7 


Division 2 Standings after Week 9 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 9-0 (+123)
2. Space-Dye Vest 9-0 (+85) 
3. The Root of All Evil 8-0-1 (+79)
4. Overture 1928 8-0-1 (+56)
5. Hellís Kitchen 7-0-2 (+53)
6. Wait for Sleep 7-2 (+49)
7. The Great Debate 7-2 (+38)
8. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 6-1-2 (+23)
9. Stream of Consciousness 6-2-1 (+43)
10. Panic Attack 6-2-1 (+35)
11. This Dying Soul 5-2-2 (+21)
12. Another Day 3-2-4 (+32) 
13. The Dance of Eternity 5-4 (+17)
14. Pale Blue Dot 5-4 (+10)
15 Caught in a Web 5-4 (+6)   
16. Endless Sacrifice 4-3-2 (+1)
17. Peruvian Skies 5-4 (-14)   
18. These Walls 4-4-1 (-1)
19. Barstool Warrior 2-3-4 (-5)
20. On the Backs of Angels 3-6 (-17)
21. Lie 3-6 (-18) 
22. As I Am 3-6 (-22)     
23. S2N 2-6-1 (-25)
24. A New Beginning 2-6-1 (-29) 
25. Innocence Faded 2-6-1 (-35)
26. Fall into the Light 2-7 (-43)
27. This is the Life 2-7 (-72)
28. Outcry 1-8 (-46) 
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-8-1 (-70) 
30. Surrender to Reason 0-8-1 (-76)
31. Behind the Veil 0-9 (-83)
32. Untethered Angel 0-9 (-111) 

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 04, 2021, 06:54:20 AM
Nobody stops the SDV train!

Only two songs with a perfect score, and only two songs with nothing but losses.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on March 04, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
SoC and Panic Attack being the only losers in the top ten - against the SDVs.
Endless Sacrifice takes a huge step down from 12. to 16.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 04, 2021, 09:39:38 AM
Nobody stops the SDV train!

It is a truly bizarre world where Space-Dye Vest beats Panic Attack.  Seriously...WTF?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 05, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
Division 1 Week 9 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56249.0
1.   A Change of Seasons defeats Pull Me Under 19-4 
2.   Lines in the Sand defeats Bridges in the Sky 14-9 
3.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Misunderstood 16-7 
4.   Surrounded defeats Erotomania 16-7 
5.   Metropolis defeats 6:00 21-2 
6.   At Witís End defeats Illumination Theory 12-11 
7.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Blind Faith 16-7
8.   Octavarium defeats Beyond This Life 19-4 
9.   Take the Time defeats The Glass Prison 14-9 
10.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Disappear 16-7 
11.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats In the Name of God 12-11
12.   Learning to Live defeats The Spirit Carries On 18-5
13.   Home defeats The Mirror 13-10
14.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Trial of Tears 15-8 
15.   Voices defeats Fatal Tragedy 13-10 
16.   Scarred defeats Finally Free 12-11


Division 1 Standings after Week 9 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 9-0 (+155)
2. Metropolis 9-0 (+134)
3. Learning to Live 9-0 (+131) 
4. Octavarium 9-0 (+121)
5. Breaking All Illusions 8-1 (+83)
6. Voices 8-1 (+33)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-2-1 (+33)
8. The Count of Tuscany 6-2-1 (+31)
9. Home 6-2-1 (+20)    
10. Surrounded 6-3 (+2)
11. Take the Time 6-3 (+1)
12. Scarred 6-3 (-15)
11. Finally Free 5-4 (+12) 
14. Under a Glass Moon 4-3-2 (-10)   
15. Trial of Tears 4-4-1 (+4)
16. In the Presence of Enemies 4-4-1 (-12)   
17. Fatal Tragedy 4-5 (+12)
18. The Mirror 4-5 (-2) 
19. The Spirit Carries On 4-5 (-15)
20. Beyond this Life 4-5 (-25) 
21. Lines in the Sand 3-5-1 (-19)   
22. Blind Faith 3-5-1 (-35) 
23. The Glass Prison 3-6 (-35) 
24. Erotomania 3-6 (-49) 
25. Pull Me Under 2-6-1 (-80)
26. At Witís End 2-7 (-52)
27. 6:00 1-8 (-79)
28. In the Name of God 0-8-1 (-48)
29. Illumination Theory 0-8-1 (-63)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-9 (-73)
31. Disappear 0-9 (-80)
32. Misunderstood 0-9 (-100)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2021, 07:57:18 AM
Seems like nothing is gonna stop the Big 4 unless a direct match. However Metropolis by votes difference gains a slot over Learning to Live!

The Count of Tuscany continues to be the "best post-Score song which isn't Breaking All Illusions" performing well amidsts a bunch of super classics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on March 05, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
AWE scores an important, and very close, win to keep away from the regulation zone - to the disadvantage of IT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: SleeperAwake on March 06, 2021, 06:48:58 AM
11.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats In the Name of God 12-11

I'm quite surprised by this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 06, 2021, 09:31:18 AM
The Albums Ė Week 7 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56254.0
1.   Dream Theater defeats The Astonishing 11-10 
2.   Falling into Infinity defeats Systematic Chaos 12-10 
3.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats When Dream and Day Unite 17-5
4.   Awake defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 16-6 
5.   Distance over Time defeats Train of Thought 13-9
6.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Octavarium 20-2 
7.   Images and Words defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-8 



The Album Standings after Week 7 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 7-0 (+155)
2. Images & Words 7-0 (+97) 
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-1 (+91) 
4. Awake 5-2 (+55)
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events 5-2 (+16) 
6. Octavarium 4-3 (+3)
7. Distance over Time 3-4 (-24) 
8. Train of Thought 3-4 (-27)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 3-4 (-37)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-4 (-50)
11. Dream Theater 2-5 (-56)
12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-6 (-57)
13. Systematic Chaos 0-7 (-76)
14. The Astonishing 0-7 (-90)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 06, 2021, 10:33:14 AM
Gah, The Astonishing came THIS close to snatch a win! or at least a draw.

Six Degrees' loss means that the ranking has not gaps anymore, every number from 0 to 7 is represented when it comes to victories...
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 06, 2021, 10:40:11 AM
Gah, The Astonishing came THIS close to snatch a win! or at least a draw.

SC v. TA should be riveting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 06, 2021, 06:42:58 PM
Gah, The Astonishing came THIS close to snatch a win! or at least a draw.

SC v. TA should be riveting.

If TA doesnít win that one it isnít winning at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 10, 2021, 07:33:20 AM
Division 3 Week 10 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56264.0
1.   New Millennium defeats Out of Reach 16-7
2.   Build Me Up, Break Me Down defeats A Better Life 15-8
3.   The Bigger Picture defeats Three Days 14-9 
4.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats Dystopian Overture 14-9 
5.   Beneath the Surface defeats Paralyzed 13-10
6.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Ravenskill 19-4 
7.   Through Her Eyes defeats The Enemy Inside 12-11
8.   The Killing Hand defeats Vacant 16-7 
9.   The Shattered Fortress defeats The Gift of Music 14-9 
10.   Raise the Knife defeats Hollow Years 12-10 
11.   Ytse Jam defeats A Life Left Behind 16-7
12.   Honor Thy Father defeats Forsaken 14-9
13.   Constant Motion defeats Wither 13-10
14.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Lord Nafaryus 16-7 
15.   The Path That Divides defeats The Silent Man 12-11
16.   Only a Matter of Time defeats One Last Time 13-10


Division 3 Standings after Week 10 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 10-0 (+108)
2. The Killing Hand 10-0 (+72) 
3. Only a Matter of Time 10-0 (+50)
4. Raise the Knife 9-1 (+56)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 9-1 (+50)   
6. Ytse Jam 8-1-1 (+52)
7. Through Her Eyes 7-2-1 (+22)
8. Honor Thy Father 7-2-1 (+10)
9. One Last Time 7-3 (+62)
10. Wither 7-3 (+14)
11. The Path That Divides 6-3-1 (+2)
12. A Nightmare to Remember 6-4 (+28)
13. Beneath the Surface 6-4 (+19) 
14. The Shattered Fortress 6-4 (+14)
15. The Silent Man 4-4-2 (+20) 
16. New Millennium 5-5 (+1)
17. The Enemy Inside 5-5 (-5)
18. Constant Motion 4-5-1 (-11) 
19. The Bigger Picture 4-6 (0)
20. Out of Reach 4-6 (-22)
21. Hollow Years 3-6-1 (+16)
22. The Gift of Music 3-6-1 (-19)
23. Paralyzed 3-7 (-27)
24. Three Days 2-7-1 (-20)
25. Vacant 2-7-1 (-35) 
26. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-8 (-87)
27. Lord Nafaryus 1-8-1 (-57) 
28. A Life Left Behind 1-9 (-25)
29. Forsaken 1-9 (-31)   
30. A Better Life 1-9 (-59) 
31. Dystopian Overture 1-9 (-74)
32. Ravenskill 0-10 (-80)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 10, 2021, 07:43:04 AM
Ouch, out of the last 6 spots, 5 are taken by Astonishing songs.

And in the red zone there two of the best songs of the album (A Better Life and the very last, Ravenskill), but evidently my opinion about those songs is not the mainstream one....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 10, 2021, 09:21:52 AM
Ouch, out of the last 6 spots, 5 are taken by Astonishing songs.

Possibly the most predictable thing in this whole league.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 11, 2021, 07:31:38 AM
Division 2 Week 10 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56266.0
1.   Stream of Consciousness defeats This is the Life 17-5 
2.   Innocence Faded defeats Behind the Veil 14-8 
3.   The Great Debate defeats As I Am 12-10   
4.   Barstool Warrior defeats Untethered Angel 19-2
5.   This Dying Soul defeats Surrender to Reason 14-8 
6.   The Root of All Evil defeats S2N 16-6
7.   Pale Blue Dot defeats A New Beginning 14-8
8.   Overture 1928 defeats Lie 12-10
9.   These Walls defeats Outcry 12-10 
10.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Caught in a Web 13-9
11.   Hellís Kitchen defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 15-7
12.   Wait For Sleep defeats Fall into the Light 14-8
13.   The Dance of Eternity defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-6
14.   Strange Deja vu defeats Peruvian Skies 17-5
15.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Endless Sacrifice 12-10 
16.   Another Day defeats Panic Attack 13-9


Division 2 Standings after Week 10 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 10-0 (+135)
2. Space-Dye Vest 10-0 (+89) 
3. The Root of All Evil 9-0-1 (+89)
4. Overture 1928 9-0-1 (+58)
5. Hellís Kitchen 8-0-2 (+61)
6. Wait for Sleep 8-2 (+55)
7. The Great Debate 8-2 (+40)
8. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 7-1-2 (+25)
9. Stream of Consciousness 7-2-1 (+55)
10. This Dying Soul 6-2-2 (+27)
11. Panic Attack 6-3-1 (+31)
12. Another Day 4-2-4 (+36) 
13. The Dance of Eternity 6-4 (+27)
14. Pale Blue Dot 6-4 (+16)
15. These Walls 5-4-1 (+1)
16. Barstool Warrior 3-3-4 (+12)
17 Caught in a Web 5-5 (+2)   
18. Endless Sacrifice 4-4-2 (-1)
19. Peruvian Skies 5-5 (-26)   
20. Innocence Faded 3-6-1 (-29)
21. Lie 3-7 (-20) 
22. As I Am 3-7 (-24)     
23. On the Backs of Angels 3-7 (-27)
24. A New Beginning 2-7-1 (-35) 
25. S2N 2-7-1 (-35)
26. Fall into the Light 2-8 (-49)
27. This is the Life 2-8 (-84)
28. Outcry 1-9 (-48) 
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-9-1 (-78) 
30. Surrender to Reason 0-9-1 (-82)
31. Behind the Veil 0-10 (-89)
32. Untethered Angel 0-10 (-128) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on March 11, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
With a landslide win over UA and a lot of draws throughout the tournament BW reaches a play off spot. We'll see if it can hold it. Yes, we shall see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 12, 2021, 07:16:40 AM
Division 1 Week 10 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56270.0
1.   The Glass Prison defeats Blind Faith 13-9 
2.   At Witís End defeats 6:00 12-10
3.   Lines in the Sand defeats Erotomania 15-7
4.   Voices defeats Misunderstood 18-4
5.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Disappear 15-7 
6.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Pull Me Under 16-6 
7.   Illumination Theory & Bridges in the Sky tied 11-11 
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Surrounded 17-5
9.   The Mirror defeats Beyond This Life 13-9
10.   Home defeats In the Name of God 16-6
11.   Learning to Live defeats Under a Glass Moon 17-4 
12.   A Change of Seasons defeats Trial of Tears 18-4
13.   Scarred defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-7
14.   Take the Time defeats The Spirit Carries On 20-2 
15.   Finally Free defeats The Count of Tuscany 12-10
16.   Metropolis defeats Octavarium 14-8 


Division 1 Standings after Week 10 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 10-0 (+169)
2. Learning to Live 10-0 (+144)
3. Metropolis 10-0 (+140)
4. Octavarium 9-1 (+115)
5. Breaking All Illusions 9-1 (+91)
6. Voices 9-1 (+47)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 7-2-1 (+45)
8. Home 7-2-1 (+30)
9. Take the Time 7-3 (+21)
10. Scarred 7-3 (-8)
11. The Count of Tuscany 6-3-1 (+29)
12. Finally Free 6-4 (+14) 
13. Surrounded 6-4 (-10)
14. Fatal Tragedy 5-5 (+22)
15. The Mirror 5-5 (+2) 
16. Under a Glass Moon 4-4-2 (-23)   
17. Trial of Tears 4-5-1 (-10)
18. Lines in the Sand 4-5-1 (-11)   
19. In the Presence of Enemies 4-5-1 (-19)   
20. Beyond this Life 4-6 (-29) 
21. The Glass Prison 4-6 (-31)   
22. The Spirit Carries On 4-6 (-35)
23. Blind Faith 3-6-1 (-39) 
24. At Witís End 3-7 (-50)
25. Erotomania 3-7 (-57) 
26. Pull Me Under 2-7-1 (-90)
27. Illumination Theory 0-8-2 (-63)
28. 6:00 1-9 (-81)
29. In the Name of God 0-9-1 (-58)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-9-1 (-73)
31. Disappear 0-10 (-88)
32. Misunderstood 0-10 (-114)


Halfway through the regular season.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2021, 07:21:02 AM
The first big match at the top decides that the leading group is now made of three songs - out Octavarium, that still keeps a top 4 slot but now counts a defeat at the hands of Metropolis.

Kinda surprised to see In The Name of God in danger of relegation, but again, this is the heavyweight division, every song continously losing would be a surprise....
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 12, 2021, 09:25:09 AM
Kinda surprised to see In The Name of God in danger of relegation, but again, this is the heavyweight division, every song continously losing would be a surprise....

Very surprising given that this division includes stuff like The Mirror and Lines in the Sand, both of which most folks seemingly like way more than I do.  That said, and without checking, I believe ITNOG has had a brutal schedule thus far, and I expect it to rise up a bit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 13, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
The Albums  Week 8 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56272.0
1.   Falling into Infinity defeats The Astonishing 15-11 
2.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats When Dream and Day Unite 24-2 
3.   Images and Words defeats Systematic Chaos 23-3
4.   Distance over Time defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 18-8
5.   Octavarium defeats Dream Theater 19-7 
6.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Train of Thought 18-8
7.   Awake defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-12


The Album Standings after Week 8 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 8-0 (+177)
2. Images & Words 8-0 (+117) 
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-2 (+89) 
4. Awake 6-2 (+57)
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events 6-2 (+26) 
6. Octavarium 5-3 (+15)
7. Distance over Time 4-4 (-14) 
8. Falling Into Infinity 4-4 (-33)   
9. Train of Thought 3-5 (-37)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-5 (-60)
11. Dream Theater 2-6 (-68)
12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-7 (-79)
13. The Astonishing 0-8 (-94)
14. Systematic Chaos 0-8 (-96)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
With a direct victory against it, Awake reaches Six Degrees at the 6-2 ranking.

The Astonishing still has only defeats, but it fought hard enough to overtake Systematic Chaos' penultimate position.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 13, 2021, 11:06:12 AM
Iím kind of hoping DoC found a way to put off the SFaM/IaW matchup until the final week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 17, 2021, 07:15:08 AM
Division 3, Week 11 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56285.0
1.   New Millennium defeats Paralyzed 13-9 
2.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Out of Reach 16-6
3.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Vacant 13-9 
4.   Hollow Years defeats Lord Nafaryus 15-7
5.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Gift of Music 15-7
6.   The Enemy Inside defeats Ravenskill 12-9 
7.   The Silent Man defeats Wither 12-10 
8.   A Life Left Behind defeats A Better Life 10-8
9.   Three Days & Forsaken tied 11-11 
10.   Constant Motion defeats Dystopian Overture 15-7 
11.   The Bigger Picture defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 17-5
12.   The Killing Hand & A Nightmare to Remember tied 11-11 
13.   One Last Time defeats Through Her Eyes 12-10 
14.   Ytse Jam defeats The Shattered Fortress 13-8
15.   Honor Thy Father defeats Beneath the Surface 12-10
16.   Raise the Knife defeats The Path That Divides 13-8 


Division 3 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 11-0 (+116)
3. Only a Matter of Time 11-0 (+60)
3. The Killing Hand 10-0-1 (+72) 
4. Raise the Knife 10-1 (+61)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 10-1 (+54)   
6. Ytse Jam 9-1-1 (+57)
7. Honor Thy Father 8-2-1 (+12)
8. One Last Time 8-3 (+64)
9. Through Her Eyes 7-3-1 (+20)
10. Wither 7-4 (+12)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 6-4-1 (+28)
12. The Path That Divides 6-4-1 (-3)
13. The Silent Man 5-4-2 (+22) 
14. Beneath the Surface 6-5 (+17) 
15. The Shattered Fortress 6-5 (+9)
16. New Millennium 6-5 (+5)
17. The Enemy Inside 6-5 (-2)
18. Constant Motion 5-5-1 (-3) 
19. The Bigger Picture 5-6 (+12)
20. Hollow Years 4-6-1 (+24)
21. Out of Reach 4-7 (-32)
22. The Gift of Music 3-7-1 (-27)
23. Three Days 2-7-2 (-20)
24. Paralyzed 3-8 (-31)
25. Vacant 2-8-1 (-39) 
26. A Life Left Behind 2-9 (-23)
27. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-9 (-99)
28. Forsaken 1-9-1 (-31)   
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-9-1 (-65) 
30. A Better Life 1-10 (-61) 
31. Dystopian Overture 1-10 (-82)
32. Ravenskill 0-11 (-83)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 17, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
Two undefeated songs at the top.... and the relegation slots completely occupied by Astonishing songs, two of which among the best songs on the album! gaaaaah
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: geeeemo on March 17, 2021, 08:08:12 AM
I was thinking that about Ravenskill especially. It really is a great song..It got me thinking, since some of the TA songs are losing to what I would guess are songs that aren't that popular (Foresaken for example). Do a fair amount of people, because they just don't care for TA, not know the songs well? I wonder if so, and if they actually did know, then a song like Ravenskill would do better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 17, 2021, 10:04:43 AM
I was thinking that about Ravenskill especially. It really is a great song..It got me thinking, since some of the TA songs are losing to what I would guess are songs that aren't that popular (Foresaken for example). Do a fair amount of people, because they just don't care for TA, not know the songs well? I wonder if so, and if they actually did know, then a song like Ravenskill would do better.

I can only speak for myself, but I rank TA last among DT's albums.  It took me a LONG time before I really felt I had given the album a fair opportunity.  I finally got to that point a couple years ago, but I still don't feel like I know the individual songs well.  The reason for that -- which is also my biggest complaint about TA -- is that there is a HUGE amount of sameness on the album.  Soft piano/keyboard passages and mid-tempo Broadway rock segments.  I had a very hard time distinguishing one song from another (there's one song that starts off a bit like a Dixie Dregs song that I kind of like, but I can never remember its name and have a hard time finding it).  I would vote for almost any non-TA song over every TA song (the exceptions in this group being New Millennium and Honor Thy Father, both of which I actively dislike).  When TA songs are pitted against each other, I abstain.

With that said, upon reading your post, I popped open Ravenskill and listened.  I was tempted to turn it off somewhere between the 1:00 - 2:00 mark because it was just boring.  When the heavy stuff kicked in, that was kinda nice, but it was fairly generic and didn't last too long.  Then it went back to the soft piano stuff with a bit of Broadway mixed in.  All in all, it was everything I don't care for about TA.  I give DT all the props in the world for trying something so ambitious.  The performances are good, and JLB is lights out on the album, but it's ultimately not for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2021, 07:22:35 AM
Even though I really like The Astonishing, most of the songs therein work much better as parts of the whole rather than as individual songs, at least IMO.  So I'm not the least bit surprised at these results.

There are only a few that I would expect to do fairly well in this kind of competition (The Gift of Music, Our New World, maybe 1 or 2 others).
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 18, 2021, 08:51:22 AM
Even though I really like The Astonishing, most of the songs therein work much better as parts of the whole rather than as individual songs, at least IMO.  So I'm not the least bit surprised at these results.

There are only a few that I would expect to do fairly well in this kind of competition (The Gift of Music, Our New World, maybe 1 or 2 others).

I second this notion. I quite like Dystopian Overture, A Life Left Behind, A New Beginning, and Our New World and I listen to them outside of the album, but the reality is that most of these songs donít work out of the context of the album. And since the album is so long itís quite hard to find the time to listen to it in full. So even though I do love The Astonishing, itís easily my least listened to Dream Theater album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 18, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
Digging the convo on TA. By all means keep it up and don't mind the data dump!


Division 2, Week 11
1.   As I Am defeats This is the Life 14-6
2.   Barstool Warrior defeats Innocence Faded 12-8 
3.   The Great Debate defeats Surrender to Reason 11-9 
4.   Peruvian Skies defeats Untethered Angel 14-6 
5.   Stream of Consciousness defeats S2N 13-7
6.   Pale Blue Dot & Behind the Veil tied 10-10
7.   The Root of All Evil defeats Outcry 14-6 
8.   Space-Dye Vest defeats A New Beginning 16-4
9.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Lie 15-5
10.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Caught in a Web 11-9
11.   On the Backs of Angels defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 15-5
12.   Another Day defeats Fall into the Light 11-9
13.   Strange Deja vu defeats Endless Sacrifice 14-6 
14.   Wait For Sleep defeats These Walls 11-9
15.   Overture 1928 defeats This Dying Soul 14-6
16.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Panic Attack 11-9


Division 2 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 11-0 (+143)
2. Space-Dye Vest 11-0 (+101) 
3. The Root of All Evil 10-0-1 (+97)
4. Overture 1928 10-0-1 (+66)
5. Hellís Kitchen 9-0-2 (+71)
6. Wait for Sleep 9-2 (+57)
7. The Great Debate 9-2 (+42)
8. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 8-1-2 (+27)
9. Stream of Consciousness 8-2-1 (+61)
10. Another Day 5-2-4 (+38) 
11. This Dying Soul 6-3-2 (+35)
12. The Dance of Eternity 7-4 (+29)
13. Panic Attack 6-4-1 (+29)
14. Pale Blue Dot 6-4-1 (+16)
15. Barstool Warrior 4-3-4 (+16)
16. Peruvian Skies 6-5 (-18)   
17. These Walls 5-5-1 (-1)
18 Caught in a Web 5-6 (0)   
19. Endless Sacrifice 4-5-2 (-9)
20. As I Am 4-7 (-16)     
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-7 (-17)
22. Innocence Faded 3-7-1 (-33)
23. Lie 3-8 (-30) 
24. S2N 2-8-1 (-41)
25. A New Beginning 2-8-1 (-47) 
26. Fall into the Light 2-9 (-51)
27. This is the Life 2-9 (-92)
28. Outcry 1-10 (-56) 
29. Surrender to Reason 0-10-1 (-84)
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-10-1 (-88) 
31. Behind the Veil 0-10-1 (-89)
32. Untethered Angel 0-11 (-136) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 18, 2021, 09:59:10 AM
This is the SDV division  :D

As for personal preferences go, Hell's Kitchen and Great Debate have no business being so high, and Lie shouldn't be so low.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 19, 2021, 06:44:50 AM
Division 1, Week 11 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56293.0
1.   Home defeats At Witís End 19-3
2.   Take the Time defeats Disappear 13-9
3.   A Change of Seasons defeats 6:00 20-1 
4.   Learning to Live defeats Surrounded 20-2 
5.   Metropolis defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-4 
6.   Trial of Tears defeats Blind Faith 14-8
7.   Voices defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-8
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Mirror 18-4 
9.   Lines in the Sand defeats Misunderstood 12-10
10.   Beyond This Life defeats Erotomania 14-8 
11.   Finally Free defeats Pull Me Under 15-7   
12.   Scarred defeats The Spirit Carries On 16-6
13.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Illumination Theory 14-8
14.   Under a Glass Moon defeats In the Name of God 12-10
15.   The Count of Tuscany defeats The Glass Prison 12-10
16.   Octavarium defeats Breaking All Illusions 16-6 


Division 1 Standings after Week 11 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 11-0 (+188)
2. Learning to Live 11-0 (+162)
3. Metropolis 11-0 (+154)
4. Octavarium 10-1 (+125)
5. Voices 10-1 (+53)
6. Breaking All Illusions 9-2 (+81)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 8-2-1 (+59)
8. Home 8-2-1 (+46)
9. Take the Time 8-3 (+25)
10. Scarred 8-3 (+2)
11. The Count of Tuscany 7-3-1 (+31)
12. Finally Free 7-4 (+22) 
13. Fatal Tragedy 6-5 (+28)
14. Under a Glass Moon 5-4-2 (-21)   
15. Surrounded 6-5 (-28)
16. Trial of Tears 5-5-1 (-4)
17. Lines in the Sand 5-5-1 (-9)   
18. The Mirror 5-6 (-12) 
19. Beyond this Life 5-6 (-23) 
20. In the Presence of Enemies 4-6-1 (-25)   
21. The Glass Prison 4-7 (-33)   
22. The Spirit Carries On 4-7 (-45)
23. Blind Faith 3-7-1 (-45) 
24. Erotomania 3-8 (-63) 
25. At Witís End 3-8 (-66)
26. Pull Me Under 2-8-1 (-98)
27. Illumination Theory 0-9-2 (-69)
28. 6:00 1-10 (-100)
29. In the Name of God 0-10-1 (-60)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-10-1 (-87)
31. Disappear 0-11 (-92)
32. Misunderstood 0-11 (-116)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 19, 2021, 07:31:13 AM
Octavarium was booted from the "no defeats" club, but it bounces back fending off the attack of another heavyweight, Breaking All Illusions! this means that it can continue to share the "only one defeat" track record alongside with Voices.

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 19, 2021, 09:17:30 AM

29. In the Name of God 0-10-1 (-60)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-10-1 (-87)
...
32. Misunderstood 0-11 (-116)


I know it's all about the matchups, but these are serious head scratchers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 20, 2021, 06:37:13 AM
The Albums Ė Week 9 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56299.0
1.   Train of Thought defeats When Dream and Day Unite 14-9
2.   Octavarium defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 19-4
3.   Distance over Time defeats The Astonishing 14-8
4.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Systematic Chaos 16-7
5.   Images and Words defeats Dream Theater 23-0
6.   Awake defeats Falling into Infinity 21-2 
7.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 19-4 


The Album Standings after Week 9 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 9-0 (+192)
*2. Images & Words 9-0 (+140) 
3. Awake 7-2 (+76)
4. A Dramatic Turn of Events 7-2 (+35)   
5. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-3 (+74) 
6. Octavarium 6-3 (+30)
7. Distance over Time 5-4 (-8) 
8. Train of Thought 4-5 (-32)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 4-5 (-52)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-6 (-75)
11. Dream Theater 2-7 (-91)
12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-8 (-84)
13. The Astonishing 0-9 (-100)
14. Systematic Chaos 0-9 (-105)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2021, 06:49:01 AM
Shouldn't Six Degrees be behnd the two albums with 7 victories?
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 20, 2021, 07:27:33 AM
Whoops. Yep. Forgot to update the order. Fixed now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2021, 07:37:29 AM
Can we call Six Degrees being surpassed.... a dramatic turn of events?  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 24, 2021, 07:54:37 AM
Division 3, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56312.0
1.   The Bigger Picture & Dystopian Overture tied 11-11
2.   Three Days defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 13-8
3.   The Killing Hand defeats A Better Life 18-3
4.   Constant Motion defeats Vacant 15-7
5.   Wither defeats Forsaken 12-10 
6.   Honor Thy Father defeats A Life Left Behind 13-8 
7.   The Silent Man defeats Ravenskill 12-10
8.   Beneath the Surface defeats The Path That Divides 12-10
9.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Paralyzed 14-7
10.   The Gift of Music defeats The Enemy Inside 12-10 
11.   New Millennium defeats Hollow Years 14-8
12.   Sacrificed Sons defeats Out of Reach 16-6
13.   One Last Time defeats Lord Nafaryus 16-6
14.   Raise the Knife defeats Through Her Eyes 11-10
15.   Only a Matter of Time & A Nightmare to Remember tied 11-11
16.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Ytse Jam 12-10


Division 3 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Sacrificed Sons 12-0 (+126)
2. The Killing Hand 11-0-1 (+87) 
3. Only a Matter of Time 11-0-1 (+60) 
4. Raise the Knife 11-1 (+62)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 11-1 (+56)   
6. Ytse Jam 9-2-1 (+55)
7. Honor Thy Father 9-2-1 (+17)
8. One Last Time 9-3 (+74)
9. Wither 8-4 (+14)
10. Through Her Eyes 7-4-1 (+19)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 6-4-2 (+28)
12. The Silent Man 6-4-2 (+24)   
13. Beneath the Surface 7-5 (+19) 
14. The Shattered Fortress 7-5 (+16)
15. New Millennium 7-5 (+11) 
16. Constant Motion 6-5-1 (+5)   
17. The Path That Divides 6-5-1 (-5)
18. The Enemy Inside 6-6 (-4)
19. The Bigger Picture 5-6-1 (+12)
20. Hollow Years 4-7-1 (+30)
21. The Gift of Music 4-7-1 (-25) 
22. Three Days 3-7-2 (-15)
23. Out of Reach 4-8 (-42)
24. Paralyzed 3-9 (-38)
25. Vacant 2-9-1 (-47) 
26. A Life Left Behind 2-10 (-28)
27. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-10 (-104)
28. Forsaken 1-10-1 (-33)   
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-10-1 (-75) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-10-1 (-82)
31. A Better Life 1-11 (-76) 
32. Ravenskill 0-12 (-85)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 24, 2021, 08:10:46 AM
Looks like there's 5 songs fighting for 4 slots at the top, who knows if there will be comebacks from those detached by 2 victories.

And gaaah at the unsurprising bottom remaining unchanged, with all Astonishing songs and Ravenskill not catching a break.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 25, 2021, 07:43:24 AM
Division 2, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56319.0
1.   As I Am defeats On the Backs of Angels 18-7
2.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Fall into the Light 18-6 
3.   Panic Attack defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 17-8 
4.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Caught in a Web 16-9 
5.   Space-Dye Vest defeats These Walls 19-6 
6.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Outcry 15-10
7.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Lie 13-12 
8.   Overture 1928 defeats A New Beginning 21-4 
9.   The Root of All Evil defeats Pale Blue Dot 15-10
10.   Strange Deja vu defeats S2N 18-7
11.   This Dying Soul defeats Peruvian Skies 13-11
12.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Innocence Faded 16-9
13.   This is the Life defeats Untethered Angel 15-10
14.   Surrender to Reason defeats Behind the Veil 15-9 
15.   Barstool Warrior defeats The Great Debate 13-12 
16.   Another Day defeats Wait for Sleep 13-12


Division 2 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 12-0 (+154)
2. Space-Dye Vest 12-0 (+114) 
3. The Root of All Evil 11-0-1 (+102)
4. Overture 1928 11-0-1 (+83)
5. Hellís Kitchen 10-0-2 (+78)
6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 9-1-2 (+32)
7. Stream of Consciousness 9-2-1 (+68)
8. Wait for Sleep 9-3 (+56)
9. The Great Debate 9-3 (+41)
10. The Dance of Eternity 8-4 (+41)
11. Another Day 6-2-4 (+39) 
12. This Dying Soul 7-3-2 (+37)
13. Panic Attack 7-4-1 (+38)
14. Barstool Warrior 5-3-4 (+17) 
15. Pale Blue Dot 6-5-1 (+11)
16. Endless Sacrifice 5-5-2 (-8)
17. Peruvian Skies 6-6 (-20)   
18. These Walls 5-6-1 (-14)
19 Caught in a Web 5-7 (-7)   
20. As I Am 5-7 (-5)     
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-8 (-28)
22. Innocence Faded 3-8-1 (-33)
23. Lie 3-9 (-31) 
24. This is the Life 3-9 (-87) 
25. S2N 2-9-1 (-52)
26. A New Beginning 2-9-1 (-64) 
27. Fall into the Light 2-10 (-63)
28. Surrender to Reason 1-10-1 (-78) 
29. Outcry 1-11 (-61) 
30. Behind the Veil 0-11-1 (-95)
31. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-11-1 (-97) 
32. Untethered Angel 0-12 (-141) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 25, 2021, 08:02:25 AM
All the instrumentals are in the top ten, and one of them is posed to qualify as of now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 26, 2021, 07:03:30 AM
Division 1, Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56321.0
1.   In the Name of God defeats Disappear 13-9 
2.   Blind Faith defeats Illumination Theory 16-6 
3.   Home defeats Erotomania 18-4 
4.   The Count of Tuscany & Pull Me Under tied 11-11 
5.   Take the Time defeats 6:00 18-4 
6.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-5
7.   The Mirror defeats Misunderstood 14-8
8.   Breaking All Illusions defeats At Witís End 17-5
9.   Under a Glass Moon defeats The Spirit Carries On 12-10 
10.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Surrounded 12-10 
11.   Voices defeats The Glass Prison 12-10
12.   Finally Free defeats Lines in the Sand 14-8
13.   Scarred defeats Trial of Tears 15-7
14.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Beyond This Life 15-7
15.   Learning to Live defeats Octavarium 12-10
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Metropolis 15-7 


Division 1 Standings after Week 12 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 12-0 (+196)
2. Learning to Live 12-0 (+164)
3. Metropolis 11-1 (+146)
4. Voices 11-1 (+55) 
5. Octavarium 10-2 (+123)
6. Breaking All Illusions 10-2 (+93)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-2-1 (+71)
8. Home 9-2-1 (+60)
9. Take the Time 9-3 (+39)
10. Scarred 9-3 (+10)
11. The Count of Tuscany 7-3-2 (+31)
12. Finally Free 8-4 (+28) 
13. Fatal Tragedy 7-5 (+36)
14. Under a Glass Moon 6-4-2 (-19)   
15. The Mirror 6-6 (-6)   
16. Surrounded 6-6 (-30)
17. Lines in the Sand 5-6-1 (-3)   
18. Trial of Tears 5-6-1 (-12)
19. In the Presence of Enemies 5-6-1 (-23)   
20. Beyond this Life 5-7 (-31) 
21. The Glass Prison 4-8 (-35)   
22. The Spirit Carries On 4-8 (-47)
23. Blind Faith 4-7-1 (-35) 
24. Erotomania 3-9 (-77) 
25. At Witís End 3-9 (-78)
26. Pull Me Under 2-8-2 (-98)
27. In the Name of God 1-10-1 (-56) 
28. Illumination Theory 0-10-2 (-79)
29. 6:00 1-11 (-114)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-11-1 (-99)
31. Disappear 0-12 (-96)
32. Misunderstood 0-12 (-122)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 26, 2021, 07:47:51 AM
Earthquake at the top! in two of the most defining matches of the season, A Change of Seasons keeps the lead resisting Metropolis' assault - this means that Metropolis is now third because the other top dog, Learning to Live, defeated Octavarium which sent the song at the FIFTH place, surpassed by Voices which now has a 11-1 score just like Metropolis!

At the bottom the bigass epic Illumination Theory climbs out of the danger, leaving 6:00 in it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on March 26, 2021, 09:17:58 AM
Also, ITNOG finally got it's long overdue first win.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 27, 2021, 07:05:53 AM
The Albums Ė Week 10 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56323.0

1.   The Astonishing defeats When Dream and Day Unite 13-12 
2.   Distance over Time defeats Dream Theater 15-10
3.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 24-0
4.   Train of Thought defeats Systematic Chaos 18-7
5.   Octavarium defeats Falling into Infinity 20-5 
6.   Awake defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 16-9
7.   Images & Words defeats Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 13-12


The Album Standings after Week 10 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Images & Words 10-0 (+141)   
*2. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 9-1 (+191)
*3. Awake 8-2 (+83)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 7-3 (+98)   
5. Octavarium 7-3 (+45) 
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 7-3 (+28)   
7. Distance over Time 6-4 (-3) 
8. Train of Thought 5-5 (-21)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 4-6 (-67)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-7 (-99)
11. Dream Theater 2-8 (-96)
X12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-9 (-85)
X13. The Astonishing 1-9 (-99)
X14. Systematic Chaos 0-10 (-116)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 27, 2021, 07:23:44 AM
Whaaat? last I checked the polls SFAM and the debut were winning, in the diametrically opposed more intriguing matches.... but the tables turned last minute!

This means that Images and Words is alone at the top and very likely to win the entire tournament, while The Astonishing snatches a victory and leaves Systematic Chaos at the bottom with 0 wins!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: RoeDent on March 28, 2021, 05:39:49 AM
Illumination Theory somehow finds itself above the drop zone despite not winning a match yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 31, 2021, 07:17:06 AM
Division 3, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56332.0
1.   One Last Time defeats New Millennium 14-10
2.   The Silent Man defeats The Gift of Music 13-11
3.   Ytse Jam & Constant Motion tied 12-12 
4.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Paralyzed 17-7
5.   The Bigger Picture defeats Vacant 14-10
6.   The Path That Divides & A Life Left Behind tied 11-11
7.   Forsaken defeats Ravenskill 13-11 
8.   Wither defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 17-7
9.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats A Better Life 17-7
10.   Three Days defeats Dystopian Overture 14-8
11.   Raise the Knife defeats Lord Nafaryus 13-9 
12.   The Enemy Inside defeats Out of Reach 14-10
13.   The Shattered Fortress & Hollow Years tied 12-12 
14.   Through Her Eyes defeats Beneath the Surface 15-10
15.   Honor Thy Father defeats The Killing Hand 12-11
16.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Sacrificed Sons 12-11



Division 3 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Only a Matter of Time 12-0-1 (+61)   
2. Sacrificed Sons 12-1 (+125)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 12-1 (+66)   
3. Raise the Knife 12-1 (+66)
5. The Killing Hand 11-1-1 (+86) 
6. Honor Thy Father 10-2-1 (+18)
7. One Last Time 10-3 (+78)
8. Ytse Jam 9-2-2 (+55) 
9. Wither 9-4 (+24)
10. Through Her Eyes 8-4-1 (+24)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 7-4-2 (+38)
12. The Silent Man 7-4-2 (+26)   
13. The Shattered Fortress 7-5-1 (+16) 
14. Beneath the Surface 7-6 (+14) 
15. New Millennium 7-6 (+7) 
16. Constant Motion 6-5-2 (+5)   
17. The Enemy Inside 7-6 (0)
18. The Path That Divides 6-5-2 (-5)
19. The Bigger Picture 6-6-1 (+16)
20. Hollow Years 4-7-2 (+30)
21. Three Days 4-7-2 (-9) 
22. The Gift of Music 4-8-1 (-27) 
23. Out of Reach 4-9 (-46)
24. Paralyzed 3-10 (-48)
25. A Life Left Behind 2-10-1 (-28) 
26. Forsaken 2-10-1 (-31)   
27. Vacant 2-10-1 (-51) 
28. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-11 (-114)
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-11-1 (-79) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-11-1 (-88)
31. A Better Life 1-12 (-86) 
32. Ravenskill 0-13 (-87)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on March 31, 2021, 07:26:34 AM
The big match shakes the standings! Only a Matter of Time aims for the king and does not miss - victory over Sacrificed Sons and the leadership taken over from that very song!

At the bottom it's the usual Astonishing sucks-fest, but Ravenskill came THIS close to win over Forsaken, gah!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 01, 2021, 07:34:59 AM
Division 2, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56335.0
1.   As I Am defeats Untethered Angel 19-3
2.   Barstool Warrior defeats Behind the Veil 15-7
3.   This Dying Soul defeats This is the Life 13-9 
4.   Strange Deja vu defeats Innocence Faded 18-4 
5.   The Root of All Evil defeats Surrender to Reason 13-9
6.   Peruvian Skies defeats A New Beginning 12-9
7.   S2N defeats Lie 13-9
8.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Pale Blue Dot 13-9
9.   Overture 1928 defeats These Walls 12-10
10.   Endless Sacrifice & Caught in a Web tied 11-11
11.   Outcry defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-9
12.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Fall into the Light 15-6 
13.   Panic Attack defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-6
14.   The Great Debate defeats Stream of Consciousness 13-9
15.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Another Day 15-7
16.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Wait for Sleep 12-10



Division 2 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

Songs in green are trending towards promotion. Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. Strange dťjŗ vu 13-0 (+168)
2. Space-Dye Vest 13-0 (+122) 
3. The Root of All Evil 12-0-1 (+106)
4. Overture 1928 12-0-1 (+85)
5. Hellís Kitchen 11-0-2 (+87)
6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 10-1-2 (+36)
7. The Great Debate 10-3 (+45)
8. Stream of Consciousness 9-3-1 (+64)
9. Wait for Sleep 9-4 (+54)
10. The Dance of Eternity 9-4 (+43)
11. This Dying Soul 8-3-2 (+41)
12. Panic Attack 8-4-1 (+48)
13. Another Day 6-3-4 (+31) 
14. Barstool Warrior 6-3-4 (+25) 
15. Pale Blue Dot 6-6-1 (+15)
16. Endless Sacrifice 5-5-3 (-8)
17. Peruvian Skies 7-6 (-17)   
18. As I Am 6-7 (+11)       
19 Caught in a Web 5-7-1 (-7)     
20. These Walls 5-7-1 (-16)
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-9 (-38)
22. Innocence Faded 3-9-1 (-47)
23. S2N 3-9-1 (-48)
24. Lie 3-10 (-35) 
25. This is the Life 3-10 (-91) 
26. A New Beginning 2-10-1 (-67) 
27. Outcry 2-11 (-58)   
28. Fall into the Light 2-11 (-72)
29. Surrender to Reason 1-11-1 (-82) 
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-12-1 (-100)   
31. Behind the Veil 0-12-1 (-103)
32. Untethered Angel 0-13 (-157) 

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 02, 2021, 11:06:00 AM
Division 1, Week 13 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56337.0
1.   Misunderstood defeats Bridges in the Sky 11-8
2.   In the Name of God defeats 6:00 12-7
3.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Disappear 11-8 
4.   Learning to Live defeats At Witís End 17-2 
5.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Erotomania 13-6
6.   Scarred defeats Illumination Theory 14-5
7.   Surrounded defeats The Glass Prison 10-9
8.   Beyond This Life defeats Blind Faith 11-8 
9.   Voices defeats Pull Me Under 14-5
10.   Finally Free defeats The Mirror 11-8 
11.   Trial of Tears defeats Under a Glass Moon 10-8
12.   Octavarium defeats In the Presence of Enemies 14-5
13.   Lines in the Sand defeats The Count of Tuscany 10-9 
14.   Metropolis defeats Take the Time 14-4
15.   Home defeats Breaking All Illusions 10-9 
16.   A Change of Seasons defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 13-6



Division 1 Standings after Week 13 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

Songs in red are trending towards regulation.
* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
1. A Change of Seasons 13-0 (+203)
2. Learning to Live 13-0 (+179)
3. Metropolis 12-1 (+156)
4. Voices 12-1 (+64) 
5. Octavarium 11-2 (+132)
6. Home 10-2-1 (+61)
7. Breaking All Illusions 10-3 (+92)
8. Scarred 10-3 (+19)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-3-1 (+64)
10. Finally Free 9-4 (+31)   
11. Take the Time 9-4 (+29)
12. Fatal Tragedy 8-5 (+43)
13. The Count of Tuscany 7-4-2 (+30)
14. Under a Glass Moon 6-5-2 (-21)   
15. Surrounded 7-6 (-29)
16. Lines in the Sand 6-6-1 (-2)   
17. Trial of Tears 6-6-1 (-10) 
18. The Mirror 6-7 (-9)   
19. Beyond this Life 6-7 (-28)   
20. In the Presence of Enemies 5-7-1 (-32)   
21. The Spirit Carries On 5-8 (-44) 
22. Blind Faith 4-8-1 (-38)   
23. The Glass Prison 4-9 (-36)   
24. Erotomania 3-10 (-84) 
25. At Witís End 3-10 (-93)
26. Pull Me Under 2-9-2 (-107)
27. In the Name of God 2-10-1 (-51) 
28. Illumination Theory 0-11-2 (-88)
29. 6:00 1-12 (-119)
29. Misunderstood 1-12 (-119)
31. Bridges in the Sky 0-12-1 (-102)
32. Disappear 0-13 (-99)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 02, 2021, 04:29:08 PM
Nothing changes at the top.

Impressive how both Metropolis and Voices have the same score, having won all matches but one, but Metropolis is massively in the lead when it comes to actual votes difference.... Metropolis wins everything in a landslide, Voices has to battle.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: jammindude on April 02, 2021, 05:37:19 PM
Irritated at myself for missing division 1.

My votes would have turned 3 of those wins into ties.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on April 03, 2021, 02:50:10 AM
A first win for Misunderstood, leaving Disappear at the very bottom. And two wins in a row now for ITNOG.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 03, 2021, 07:14:22 AM
The Albums Ė Week 11 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56344.0
1.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Astonishing 17-5 
2.   Awake defeats When Dream and Day Unite 18-4 
3.   Dream Theater defeats Systematic Chaos 12-9 
4.   Falling into Infinity defeats Black Clouds & Silver Linings 12-10
5.   Images and Words defeats Train of Thought 17-5 
6.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats A Dramatic Turn of Events 21-1
7.   Octavarium defeats Distance over Time 18-4




The Album Standings after Week 11 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Images & Words 11-0 (+153)   
*2. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 10-1 (+211)
*3. Awake 9-2 (+97)
*4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 8-3 (+110)   
*5. Octavarium 8-3 (+59) 
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 7-4 (+8)   
7. Distance over Time 6-5 (-17) 
8. Train of Thought 5-6 (-33)   
9. Falling Into Infinity 5-6 (-65)   
10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 3-8 (-101)
11. Dream Theater 3-8 (-93)
X12. When Dream and Day Unite 1-10 (-99)
X13. The Astonishing 1-10 (-111)
X14. Systematic Chaos 0-11 (-119)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 07, 2021, 07:29:23 AM
Division 3, Week 14 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56352.0
1.   New Millennium defeats The Enemy Inside 12-11
2.   Three Days defeats Wither 13-10
3.   Vacant defeats A Better Life 13-10
4.   The Silent Man defeats Lord Nafaryus 13-10
5.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Out of Reach 14-9 
6.   Hollow Years defeats A Life Left Behind 15-8
7.   Through Her Eyes defeats Forsaken 15-8
8.   The Gift of Music defeats Constant Motion 12-11
9.   The Killing Hand defeats Paralyzed 16-7
10.   The Path That Divides defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 12-11
11.   The Bigger Picture defeats Ravenskill 15-8 
12.   Honor Thy Father defeats Dystopian Overture 14-8
13.   One Last Time defeats Beneath the Surface 16-7
14.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats Ytse Jam 12-11
15.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Shattered Fortress 14-8
16.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Raise the Knife 13-9 


Division 3 Standings after Week 14 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. Only a Matter of Time 13-0-1 (+65)   
2. Sacrificed Sons 13-1 (+131)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 13-1 (+71)   
4. The Killing Hand 12-1-1 (+95)   
5. Raise the Knife 12-2 (+62)
6. Honor Thy Father 11-2-1 (+24)
7. One Last Time 11-3 (+87)
8. Ytse Jam 9-3-2 (+54) 
9. Through Her Eyes 9-4-1 (+31)
10. A Nightmare to Remember 8-4-2 (+39)
11. The Silent Man 8-4-2 (+29)   
12. Wither 9-5 (+21)
13. New Millennium 8-6 (+8)   
14. The Path That Divides 7-5-2 (-4)
15. The Bigger Picture 7-6-1 (+23)
16. The Shattered Fortress 7-6-1 (+10) 
17. Beneath the Surface 7-7 (+5) 
18. Constant Motion 6-6-2 (+4)   
19. The Enemy Inside 7-7 (-1)
20. Hollow Years 5-7-2 (+37)
21. Three Days 5-7-2 (-6) 
22. The Gift of Music 5-8-1 (-26) 
23. Out of Reach 4-10 (-51)
24. Vacant 3-10-1 (-48)   
25. Paralyzed 3-11 (-57)
26. A Life Left Behind 2-11-1 (-35) 
27. Forsaken 2-11-1 (-38)   
28. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-12 (-115)
29. Lord Nafaryus 1-12-1 (-82) 
30. Dystopian Overture 1-12-1 (-94)
X31. A Better Life 1-13 (-89) 
X32. Ravenskill 0-14 (-94)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 08, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
Division 2, Week 14 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56354.0
1.   As I Am defeats Behind the Veil 17-5 
2.   The Root of All Evil defeats The Great Debate 12-10
3.   Strange Deja vu defeats Untethered Angel 21-1 
4.   Barstool Warrior defeats A New Beginning 13-8
5.   This is the Life defeats Lie 12-10
6.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Innocence Faded 16-6
7.   These Walls defeats Surrender to Reason 14-8 
8.   Caught in a Web defeats Peruvian Skies 12-10
9.   S2N defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 16-6
10.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Outcry 13-9
11.   Overture 1928 defeats Fall into the Light 17-5
12.   Endless Sacrifice defeats On the Backs of Angels 14-7
13.   Another Day defeats Pale Blue Dot 12-10 
14.   This Dying Soul defeats Stream of Consciousness 13-9
15.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Panic Attack 12-10
16.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Wait For Sleep 16-6


Division 2 Standings after Week 14 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. Strange dťjŗ vu 14-0 (+188)
*2. Space-Dye Vest 14-0 (+132) 
3. The Root of All Evil 13-0-1 (+108)
4. Overture 1928 13-0-1 (+97)
5. Hellís Kitchen 12-0-2 (+89)
6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 11-1-2 (+46)
7. The Dance of Eternity 10-4 (+47) 
8. This Dying Soul 9-3-2 (+45)
9. The Great Debate 10-4 (+43)
10. Stream of Consciousness 9-4-1 (+60)
11. Wait for Sleep 9-5 (+44)
12. Another Day 7-3-4 (+33)   
13. Barstool Warrior 7-3-4 (+30)   
14. Panic Attack 8-5-1 (+46)
15. Endless Sacrifice 6-5-3 (-1) 
16. As I Am 7-7 (+23)       
17. Peruvian Skies 7-7 (-19)   
18. Pale Blue Dot 6-7-1 (+17)
19 Caught in a Web 6-7-1 (-5)     
20. These Walls 6-7-1 (-10)
21. S2N 4-9-1 (-38) 
22. On the Backs of Angels 4-10 (-45)
23. This is the Life 4-10 (-89)   
24. Innocence Faded 3-10-1 (-57)
25. Lie 3-11 (-37)   
26. A New Beginning 2-11-1 (-72) 
27. Outcry 2-12 (-62)   
28. Fall into the Light 2-12 (-84)
29. Surrender to Reason 1-12-1 (-88) 
X30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 0-13-1 (-110)   
X31. Behind the Veil 0-13-1 (-115)
X32. Untethered Angel 0-14 (-177) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
All the instrumentals are still in the top 10, with one posed to ascend to Division 1.

Speaking of promotion, looks like SFAM is the only album to have a concrete chance of sending not one but two songs (arguably the "same" song) up amongst the big players, with Awake having a lesser chance at it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 08, 2021, 07:00:08 PM
Hard to believe that Only a Matter of Time was in the play-in tournament, and now itís most likely gonna get promoted to Division 2.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 09, 2021, 01:06:04 AM
Hard to believe that Only a Matter of Time was in the play-in tournament, and now itís most likely gonna get promoted to Division 2.

Same  for Raise the Knife!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 09, 2021, 02:44:39 PM
Division 1, Week 14 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56357.0
1.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Disappear 12-10 
2.   Learning to Live defeats 6:00 21-2 
3.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats At Witís End 19-4 
4.   Take the Time defeats Illumination Theory 16-7
5.   The Glass Prison defeats Under a Glass Moon 13-10 
6.   Octavarium defeats Misunderstood 18-5
7.   Scarred defeats Pull Me Under 15-8
8.   Bridges in the Sky defeats Erotomania 12-11
9.   Lines in the Sand defeats Blind Faith 14-9
10.   Fatal Tragedy defeats The Mirror 16-7 
11.   A Change of Seasons defeats Beyond This Life 20-3 
12.   Finally Free defeats Surrounded 17-6
13.   Home defeats The Spirit Carries On 16-7   
14.   Voices defeats The Count of Tuscany 14-9
15.   Metropolis defeats Breaking All Illusions 15-8
16.   Trial of Tears defeats In the Name of God 13-10



Division 1 Standings after Week 14 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. A Change of Seasons 14-0 (+220)
*2. Learning to Live 14-0 (+198)
3. Metropolis 13-1 (+163)
4. Voices 13-1 (+69) 
5. Octavarium 12-2 (+145)
6. Home 11-2-1 (+70)
7. Scarred 11-3 (+26)
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 10-3-1 (+79) 
9. Breaking All Illusions 10-4 (+85)
10. Finally Free 10-4 (+42)   
11. Take the Time 10-4 (+38)
12. Fatal Tragedy 9-5 (+52)
13. The Count of Tuscany 7-5-2 (+25)
14. Lines in the Sand 7-6-1 (+3)   
15. Trial of Tears 7-6-1 (-7) 
16. Under a Glass Moon 6-6-2 (-24)   
17. Surrounded 7-7 (-40)
18. In the Presence of Enemies 6-7-1 (-30)     
19. The Mirror 6-8 (-18)   
20. Beyond this Life 6-8 (-45)   
21. The Glass Prison 5-9 (-33)
22. The Spirit Carries On 5-9 (-53) 
23. Blind Faith 4-9-1 (-43)     
24. Erotomania 3-11 (-85) 
25. At Witís End 3-11 (-108)
26. Pull Me Under 2-10-2 (-114)
27. In the Name of God 2-11-1 (-54) 
28. Bridges in the Sky 1-12-1 (-101)
29. Illumination Theory 0-12-2 (-97)
30. Misunderstood 1-13 (-132)
31. 6:00 1-13 (-138)
X32. Disappear 0-14 (-101)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2021, 03:23:39 PM
The Albums Ė Week 12 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56362.0
1.   Black Clouds & Silver Linings defeats The Astonishing 12-10
2.   A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats Dream Theater 17-5 
3.   Images and Words defeats When Dream and Day Unite 20-2 
4.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Systematic Chaos 20-2
5.   Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory defeats Distance over Time 21-1
6.   Train of Thought defeats Falling into Infinity 12-10 
7.   Awake defeats Octavarium 14-8

The Album Standings after Week 12 of 13.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each album (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 8 albums at seasonís end advance to the Album Championship Tournament.


*1. Images & Words 12-0 (+171)   
*2. Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory 11-1 (+231)
*3. Awake 10-2 (+103)
*4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-3 (+128)   
*5. Octavarium 8-4 (+53) 
*6. A Dramatic Turn of Events 8-4 (+20)   
7. Train of Thought 6-6 (-31)   
8. Distance over Time 6-6 (-37) 
9. Falling Into Infinity 5-7 (-67)   
X10. Black Clouds & Silver Lining 4-8 (-99)
X11. Dream Theater 3-9 (-105)
X12. The Astonishing 1-11 (-113)
X13. When Dream and Day Unite 1-11 (-117)
X14. Systematic Chaos 0-12 (-137)


Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2021, 03:01:48 AM
TOT and d/t should manage to hold their positions, but who knows what the final matches will be!
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 11, 2021, 03:22:11 AM
TOT and d/t should manage to hold their positions, but who knows what the final matches will be!

Going by process of elimination, it should be TOT vs Awake & D/T vs WDADU
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 11, 2021, 06:59:30 AM
TOT and d/t should manage to hold their positions, but who knows what the final matches will be!

Going by process of elimination, it should be TOT vs Awake & D/T vs WDADU

I believe FII is up against SDoIT, so even with a likely ToT loss in the final week, it should hold its spot because FII is also most likely going to lose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: pg1067 on April 11, 2021, 12:18:05 PM
TOT and d/t should manage to hold their positions, but who knows what the final matches will be!

Going by process of elimination, it should be TOT vs Awake & D/T vs WDADU

I believe FII is up against SDoIT, so even with a likely ToT loss in the final week, it should hold its spot because FII is also most likely going to lose.

And, SC will be going up against TA.  If WDADU loses (and it certainly will against DOT) and SC wins, those three albums will all finish with one win apiece.  Given the current point differentials, SC is certain to finish in last place (win or lose).
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2021, 10:49:41 AM
Division 3, Week 15 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56372.0
1.   Only a Matter of Time defeats Ravenskill 14-8
2.   Lord Nafaryus defeats Dystopian Overture 15-6
3.   Wither defeats The Gift of Music 12-11 
4.   Honor Thy Father defeats Paralyzed 14-9
5.   Vacant defeats Through Her Eyes 12-11 
6.   Hollow Years defeats A Better Life 13-10 
7.   Three Days defeats Out of Reach 14-9
8.   New Millennium defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 16-7
9.   The Enemy Inside defeats Constant Motion 13-10
10.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Forsaken 16-7 
11.   Beneath the Surface defeats A Life Left Behind 14-9 
12.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Bigger Picture 15-8 
13.   Ytse Jam defeats The Path That Divides 14-9
14.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats The Silent Man 12-11 
15.   One Last Time defeats A Nightmare to Remember 13-10
16.   The Killing Hand defeats Raise the Knife 14-8


Division 3 Standings after Week 15 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 3 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 2. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to the Outsiders Club.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. Only a Matter of Time 14-0-1 (+71)   
*2. Sacrificed Sons 14-1 (+138)
*3. Lost Not Forgotten 14-1 (+72)   
*4. The Killing Hand 13-1-1 (+101)   
5. Honor Thy Father 12-2-1 (+29)
6. One Last Time 12-3 (+90) 
7. Raise the Knife 12-3 (+56)
8. Ytse Jam 10-3-2 (+59) 
9. Wither 10-5 (+22) 
10. Through Her Eyes 9-5-1 (+30)
11. A Nightmare to Remember 8-5-2 (+36)
12. The Silent Man 8-5-2 (+28)   
13. New Millennium 9-6 (+17)   
14. The Shattered Fortress 8-6-1 (+19)   
15. Beneath the Surface 8-7 (+10)
16. The Enemy Inside 8-7 (+2)
17. The Path That Divides 7-6-2 (-9)
18. The Bigger Picture 7-7-1 (+16)
19. Hollow Years 6-7-2 (+40)
20. Constant Motion 6-7-2 (+1)   
21. Three Days 6-7-2 (-1) 
22. The Gift of Music 5-9-1 (-27) 
23. Vacant 4-10-1 (-47)   
24. Out of Reach 4-11 (-56)
25. Paralyzed 3-12 (-62)
X26. A Life Left Behind 2-12-1 (-40) 
X27. Forsaken 2-12-1 (-47)   
X28. Lord Nafaryus 2-12-1 (-73)   
X29. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-13 (-124)
X30. Dystopian Overture 1-13-1 (-103)
X31. A Better Life 1-14 (-92) 
X32. Ravenskill 0-15 (-100)
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 15, 2021, 07:46:23 AM
Division 2, Week 15 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56377.0
1.   Overture 1928 defeats As I Am 13-8 
2.   Pale Blue Dot defeats Endless Sacrifice 11-10 
3.   S2N defeats Outcry 11-10 
4.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Peruvian Skies 13-8 
5.   Hellís Kitchen defeats Surrender to Reason 16-5
6.   Panic Attack defeats Innocence Faded 13-8
7.   Wait for Sleep defeats This is the Life 15-6
8.   The Great Debate defeats On the Backs of Angels 15-6
9.   Fall into the Light defeats Untethered Angel 14-6
10.   A New Beginning defeats Lie 11-10
11.   The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Behind the Veil 11-10
12.   This Dying Soul defeats Caught in a Web 11-10
13.   Strange Deja vu defeats These Walls 16-5 
14.   Barstool Warrior defeats The Dance of Eternity 14-7   
15.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Another Day 12-9
16.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats The Root of All Evil 11-10 


Division 2 Standings after Week 15 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 2 Championship Tournament, where the final four songs shall be promoted to Division 1. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 3.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. Strange dťjŗ vu 15-0 (+199)
*2. Space-Dye Vest 15-0 (+137) 
*3. Overture 1928 14-0-1 (+102)
*4. Hellís Kitchen 13-0-2 (+100) 
*5. The Root of All Evil 13-1-1 (+107)
*6. Lifting Shadows of a Dream 12-1-2 (+47)
7. The Great Debate 11-4 (+52)
8. This Dying Soul 10-3-2 (+46)
9. Stream of Consciousness 10-4-1 (+63)
10. Wait for Sleep 10-5 (+53)
11. The Dance of Eternity 10-5 (+40) 
12. Barstool Warrior 8-3-4 (+37)   
13. Panic Attack 9-5-1 (+51) 
14. Another Day 7-4-4 (+30)   
15. Pale Blue Dot 7-7-1 (+18)
16. Endless Sacrifice 6-6-3 (-2) 
17. As I Am 7-8 (+18)       
18. Peruvian Skies 7-8 (-24)   
19 Caught in a Web 6-8-1 (-6)     
20. These Walls 6-8-1 (-21)
21. S2N 5-9-1 (-37) 
22. On the Backs of Angels 4-11 (-54)
23. This is the Life 4-11 (-98)   
24. Innocence Faded 3-11-1 (-62)
25. A New Beginning 3-11-1 (-71)   
26. Lie 3-12 (-38)   
27. Fall into the Light 3-12 (-76) 
X28. Outcry 2-13 (-63)   
X29. Surrender to Reason 1-13-1 (-99) 
X30. The Ministry of Lost Souls 1-13-1 (-109)   
X31. Behind the Veil 0-14-1 (-116)
X32. Untethered Angel 0-15 (-185) 

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 15, 2021, 08:17:35 AM
Two instrumentals up for promotion now!

And now, the always fun mini rant about personal tastes and the reality that other people have different preferences: what the hell are The Great Debate and This Dying Soul in the top 10 when These Walls and especially Lie are so low?
Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 16, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
Division 1, Week 15 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56379.0
1.   A Change of Seasons defeats Blind Faith 19-1 
2.   Scarred defeats Bridges in the Sky 14-6
3.   Under a Glass Moon defeats The Mirror 11-9 
4.   The Count of Tuscany defeats At Witís End 15-5
5.   Lines in the Sand defeats Disappear 11-9
6.   In the Name of God defeats Erotomania 13-7
7.   Pull Me Under defeats 6:00 12-8
8.   Beyond This Life defeats The Spirit Carries On 12-8
9.   Learning to Live defeats Misunderstood 16-3 
10.   Trial of Tears defeats Illumination Theory 12-8
11.   Metropolis defeats The Glass Prison 14-6
12.   Home defeats Surrounded 13-5
13.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats In the Presence of Enemies 16-4 
14.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Take the Time 12-8 
15.   Finally Free defeats Breaking All Illusions 12-8
16.   Octavarium defeats Voices 14-6


Division 1 Standings after Week 15 of 20.

The first tiebreaker shall be season long vote differential for each song (Votes for minus votes against). Other tiebreakers will be applied at seasonís end if necessary, with any head to head victories taking priority.

The top 16 songs at seasonís end advance to the Division 1 Championship Tournament. The songs that finish 29th-32nd will be regulated to Division 2.

* = Clinched playoff spot
X= Eliminated from Playoff contention.

Rank/Song/Record/Point Differential
*1. A Change of Seasons 15-0 (+238)
*2. Learning to Live 15-0 (+211)
*3. Metropolis 14-1 (+171)
*4. Octavarium 13-2 (+153)
*5. Voices 13-2 (+61) 
*6. Home 12-2-1 (+78)
7. Scarred 12-3 (+34)
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 11-3-1 (+91) 
9. Finally Free 11-4 (+46)   
10. Breaking All Illusions 10-5 (+81)
11. Fatal Tragedy 10-5 (+56) 
12. Take the Time 10-5 (+34)
13. The Count of Tuscany 8-5-2 (+35)
14. Lines in the Sand 8-6-1 (+5)   
15. Trial of Tears 8-6-1 (-3) 
16. Under a Glass Moon 7-6-2 (-22)   
17. Beyond this Life 7-8 (-41)   
18. Surrounded 7-8 (-48) 
19. In the Presence of Enemies 6-8-1 (-42)     
20. The Mirror 6-9 (-20)   
21. The Glass Prison 5-10 (-41)
22. The Spirit Carries On 5-10 (-57) 
23. Blind Faith 4-10-1 (-61)     
24. Pull Me Under 3-10-2 (-110)
25. In the Name of God 3-11-1 (-48) 
26. Erotomania 3-12 (-91) 
27. At Witís End 3-12 (-118)
X28. Bridges in the Sky 1-13-1 (-109)
X29. Illumination Theory 0-13-2 (-101)
X30. 6:00 1-14 (-142) 
X31. Misunderstood 1-14 (-145)
X32. Disappear 0-15 (-103)

Title: Re: Dream Theater the League - 2021
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2021, 08:21:46 AM
The big and direct match means that Octavarium regains its place in the Big 4, thanks to a better voting ratio than Voices that still however holds the "only 2 defeats" position just like the nuggetz song!