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Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?

Started by The Walrus, November 03, 2017, 07:59:45 AM

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cramx3

Quote from: El Barto on November 04, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I used to not tip for takeout but then started getting take out from the same spot often enough that I thought it would be a good idea to tip.  As for the mechanic, I would have never thought to tip them because they already overcharge IMO but my coworker always tips his and he said it helps make sure you get a decent deal and do the job correctly.  I feel that's kind of ridiculous.  Also this same coworker snuck the last mechanic at the dealership a 20 to get in front of the long line of cars ahead of him to be fixed.  So I don't know, I know that saved his ass, but that also kind of makes me mad that it worked.

The Walrus

I will tip local restaurants, but not chains. There's one guy who makes the best Mexican food I've ever had, and it's pretty much just him in there, and I tip him - bigly - every time. But a chain? Nah.

El Barto

Quote from: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 06:25:18 AM
Quote from: El Barto on November 04, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I used to not tip for takeout but then started getting take out from the same spot often enough that I thought it would be a good idea to tip.  As for the mechanic, I would have never thought to tip them because they already overcharge IMO but my coworker always tips his and he said it helps make sure you get a decent deal and do the job correctly.  I feel that's kind of ridiculous.  Also this same coworker snuck the last mechanic at the dealership a 20 to get in front of the long line of cars ahead of him to be fixed.  So I don't know, I know that saved his ass, but that also kind of makes me mad that it worked.
Now that I think about it I have gone back and taken a 12-pack to my mechanic after a job or two. It's a small shop and gets crowded, and I've had them shuffle things around to work me in. Besides, basic repair work isn't what they want to be doing anyway. I'm more of an annoyance to them than a good customer. I was thinking more about dealers or chains. Just Brakes, not that they'd touch my car anyway, isn't getting a tip from me.

Stadler

Quote from: TAC on November 03, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
These corrals weren't erected for the greater good of mankind. They were erected to (sorry to pull a Stadler) 1) save labor costs, and 2) save on damage claims. That's it. But the stores have to be psyched because what has happened over time is that it is now accepted practice to return these carts. God forbid you don't and you'd be considered "rude" or "inconsiderate". Yeah, times change and accepted public norms change with it, but the last thing I need is some "do gooder" telling me that it is my duty to return my cart.

See that? It's a) helpful and - I have to add - b) contagious.  :) :) :) :) :)


No seriously, for me, it's about economics.   I am the guy that puts carts in the corral because if not paying someone to to roam around the lot collecting carts means that my Froot Loops are $0.05 cheaper, and the guy that is supposed to make sure the returnables machines are clear, then I'm in.  I'm also the guy that will see a box of Triscuits in the Paper Towels aisle, and I'll bring it with me to the Triscuit section.   

I courtesy flush. 
I step aside at the McDonald's line while I'm deciding whether to go with a Number 2 (Two cheeseburgers) or a Number 3 (Quarter Pounder with Cheese) Meal. 
I move over on the highway, even if I am going 80, and even if there is a modicum of traffic.
I am with el Barto, in that I tip good service for good service, and will not tip because just because I'm asked.

Those are not exactly the same thing, but it's how I try to live the "do unto others..." rule.   


The Walrus

No, no, no, if you see Triscuits in the paper towel section, you put them in your cart and take them home with you. Duh.

Adami

Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.
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Stadler

Quote from: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
No, no, no, if you see Triscuits in the paper towel section, you put them in your cart and take them home with you. Duh.

Haha, fair point, no argument.  :)

Stadler

Quote from: Adami on November 06, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.

Adami

Quote from: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
Quote from: Adami on November 06, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.

As long as it gets the job done.
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cramx3

I forgot about that Euro way of doing the carts, that does make sense.

The Walrus

My father had an evil idea like that but for restrooms at his business and home so he'd be able to ensure he could actually get in the restroom when he wanted to instead of waiting on someone. The toilet lid or shower would slowly shut/turn off once the meter ran out. Better bring extra change. I guess raising several children does drive you insane. :lol

cramx3

Quote from: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 08:49:52 AM
My father had an evil idea like that but for restrooms at his business and home so he'd be able to ensure he could actually get in the restroom when he wanted to instead of waiting on someone. The toilet lid or shower would slowly shut/turn off once the meter ran out. Better bring extra change. I guess raising several children does drive you insane. :lol

The rest stops along the Auobahn in Germany require coins to use (forget the exact amount, its been awhile).  Another european thing I guess.

JayOctavarium

Quote from: Adami on November 06, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.


They opened up an Aldi's here a few months ago. I was so confused when I couldn't just take a cart. "What? A quarter? CHEAP BASTARDS!"


...


"Oh... I got my quarter back..."

cramx3

Aldi is a european store too so that makes sense

El Barto

Quote from: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
Quote from: Adami on November 06, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.
And a quarter is supposed to stop that? Fuck, I'd consider the charge sanctioning the experience and gladly pay a quarter to joyride one down to the river.

Herrick

Quote from: Snow Dog on November 03, 2017, 08:18:01 PM
That was really there, Herrick?  Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah. I've never seen one at any other mechanic before or since.

Quote from: El Barto on November 04, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I tip the tire guys (when they plug a tire) and the food delivery people too. I'm not a fan of tipping but I'll do it when it's expected but not at a fucking mechanic's shop.

One time a mechanic helped me out and didn't charge me because the fix was so simple. I insisted I do something for him so he said just get him a sandwich at Subway. The dude was cool and I was happy to buy him lunch.

Quote from: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 06:37:46 AM
I will tip local restaurants, but not chains. There's one guy who makes the best Mexican food I've ever had, and it's pretty much just him in there, and I tip him - bigly - every time. But a chain? Nah.

Why don't you tip at chain restaurants?
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The Walrus

I should clarify, I won't like, leave a tip on the bill when I pay, but I'll drop a few bucks on the table when I'm done. I guess it's the same thing, I just see them differently in my head. I don't know if they get taxed on what I leave on the table?

But I do tend to tip more to the local guys because there's a personal relationship that develops there and I want the local shop to stick around and prosper. There have been times where I'll pick up one item from the Mexican place and the total will be $12 and I'll just give him a 20 and tell him to keep the rest.

Mindflux

Yes. I'm not an animal.

We've had carts roll and hit our vehicles before. Nobody left a note or laid claim it was their fault either.   :censored

Nick

Yes, I always return the cart, why wouldn't you? In literally any lot for a store with carts they give away perfectly good parking spaces just so we have places to return them to. Not doing so is just irresponsible, and can potentially cause damage to people's cars. Don't even have to take into account the person who has the job of getting the carts in. I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

Podaar

I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread because I've already earned a reputation of being a old fogey and whenever I read this thread my first thought is, "Back when I was young..."  :lol

Nick's post about social contract (which I agree with) makes me want to also throw out, for your consideration, that we Americans have created this situation ourselves through consumerism and the "Walmart mentality."

It used to be that grocery stores did employ an army of pimply young people who would bag the groceries, walk your cart out to your car, load the groceries, and return the cart to the store's indoor corral. If you told them you wanted to do it yourself, they would still have someone out front watching who would dash over and retrieve the cart. But, if it was a really busy time and all the Clearasil generation were busy, the patrons routinely, and without complaint, returned the carts themselves. Sure maybe there was a few ne'er-do-wells who would leave an occasional cart out in the parking lot, but between courteous shoppers and the lot lizards it was never a problem.

It was only when the "always the low price" stores started popping up that corners had to be cut to stay competitive, which meant employees...low paid employees first. Then, because the shopper wasn't getting treated like royalty, people started leaving more carts around. A few dings in the paint job equal a few complaints to the store but by voting with their dollars the consumer showed that job one was saving a few dollars at the register--the store owner just couldn't afford the full time attendant/baggers. Besides, as has been discussed, it's been impossible for insurance companies to stick store owners with the bill for the paint job. Still, it's not good policy to ignore your customer concerns..so, in an attempt to limit the damage parking lot corrals were invented.

That's where we find ourselves.

Not valuing service and treating service oriented businesses like a commodity to be gathered at the lowest possible price has destroyed a lot of the value we once received.

TAC

Quote from: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread because I've already earned a reputation of being a old fogey and whenever I read this thread my first thought is, "Back when I was young..."  :lol

Nick's post about social contract (which I agree with) makes me want to also throw out, for your consideration, that we Americans have created this situation ourselves through consumerism and the "Walmart mentality."

It used to be that grocery stores did employ an army of pimply young people who would bag the groceries, walk your cart out to your car, load the groceries, and return the cart to the store's indoor corral. If you told them you wanted to do it yourself, they would still have someone out front watching who would dash over and retrieve the cart. But, if it was a really busy time and all the Clearasil generation were busy, the patrons routinely, and without complaint, returned the carts themselves. Sure maybe there was a few ne'er-do-wells who would leave an occasional cart out in the parking lot, but between courteous shoppers and the lot lizards it was never a problem.

It was only when the "always the low price" stores started popping up that corners had to be cut to stay competitive, which meant employees...low paid employees first. Then, because the shopper wasn't getting treated like royalty, people started leaving more carts around. A few dings in the paint job equal a few complaints to the store but by voting with their dollars the consumer showed that job one was saving a few dollars at the register--the store owner just couldn't afford the full time attendant/baggers. Besides, as has been discussed, it's been impossible for insurance companies to stick store owners with the bill for the paint job. Still, it's not good policy to ignore your customer concerns..so, in an attempt to limit the damage parking lot corrals were invented.

That's where we find ourselves.

Not valuing service and treating service oriented businesses like a commodity to be gathered at the lowest possible price has destroyed a lot of the value we once received.

So Stadler, do you return the cart or not??
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

The Walrus


Podaar

Quote from: TAC on November 06, 2017, 01:20:24 PM

So Stadler, do you return the cart or not??

Quote from: Podaar on November 03, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
I always put them back. I also put away carts that others leave around. I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

TAC

Quote from: Nick on November 06, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

Podaar

Quote from: TAC on November 06, 2017, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread

:P

Answering the OP question is not the same as a lengthy discussion on why. :P

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

wolfking

I always put my cart/trolley back, I can't believe people don't to be honest.

The Walrus

Quote from: TAC on November 06, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
Quote from: Nick on November 06, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.

But, respectfully, this thread is simply about moving them into the corral. Not rounding them up and bringing them inside, which is the store's duty. YOUR duty - moral obligation, rather - is to put the cart back in a common area where they can then be gathered by said employees, and you don't even have to go back inside the store to do it :)

Podaar

He's just being grumpy, Kattelox. Just smile, nod, pat him on the head and he'll go back to sleep.

Stadler

Quote from: TAC on November 06, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
Quote from: Nick on November 06, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.

You're not being shamed or deluded.   You're opting, with your actions, to accept lower prices.    Podaar says it like it's a bad thing, but honestly, I DON'T value that service.  I'm a fit (sort of) able (sort of) adult human.  I can walk my own fucking groceries to my car, thanks, and I don't need Opie to do it for me.   So in exchange for not doing that, I get to keep some dollars in my pocket.

I grew up in a small town, where everyone (pretty much) knew everyone.   The local grocery was "Faynor's".  I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Faynor was there all the time.   And they did all this.    My mom would say to the kid, "I brought my own" (meaning me and my brother) and we would carry the bags out.   

cramx3

Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

It could be a generational thing since I haven't experienced this, but I kind of like to just do things myself if I can.  I always bag my own stuff even if someone is there to help, I help them or let them help someone else who needs it.  I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.

Podaar

Quote from: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 02:13:42 PM
You're not being shamed or deluded.   You're opting, with your actions, to accept lower prices.    Podaar says it like it's a bad thing, but honestly, I DON'T value that service.  I'm a fit (sort of) able (sort of) adult human.  I can walk my own fucking groceries to my car, thanks, and I don't need Opie to do it for me.   So in exchange for not doing that, I get to keep some dollars in my pocket.

I grew up in a small town, where everyone (pretty much) knew everyone.   The local grocery was "Faynor's".  I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Faynor was there all the time.   And they did all this.    My mom would say to the kid, "I brought my own" (meaning me and my brother) and we would carry the bags out.

I did, didn't I. That wasn't my intent. I was trying to point out that it inconsistent for us as consumers to choose low prices yet still expect white glove service. I know for most of us it's not an issue, though, so I'm probably preaching to the choir.

Quote from: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

Where I grew up, it was store policy that the lot lizards weren't allowed to accept tips. They could be fired for it.

El Barto

Quote from: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

It could be a generational thing since I haven't experienced this, but I kind of like to just do things myself if I can.  I always bag my own stuff even if someone is there to help, I help them or let them help someone else who needs it.  I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.
As far as I remember you were supposed to tip the people who carry your groceries, but then I'm not quite the fogey Podar is.  :lol

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol