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Title: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 08:59:45 AM
Made a comment on a relative's Facebook post about (in general) lazy bastards leaving their shopping carts in the lot instead of walking them over to the corral. If you can drag it through the store, weigh it down with products, bring it back out to your car... you can push the empty cart a few extra feet. Yes, you are a lazy bastard if you don't do that, and you should admit it. Well, a friend of said relative admitted she is too lazy to put them up, but was apparently deeply offended by my comment...

So, fess up. Do you do the right thing, or do you leave carts out to roll around and damage people's cars?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on November 03, 2017, 09:03:39 AM
We had a similar conversation here at some point. It was surprisingly divided. Several people were pretty adamant that they do NOT have any reason to put the cart back.


Personally, I always do.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: T-ski on November 03, 2017, 09:09:47 AM
yes.

Having worked retail for many years, the annoyance of misplaced product of any kind is a pain in the ass.

put the cart where it belongs.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2017, 09:11:19 AM
We had a similar conversation here at some point. It was surprisingly divided. Several people were pretty adamant that they do NOT have any reason to put the cart back.


Personally, I always do.

Yea, we've had this debate before and I was also surprised people don't return the carts.  I always do because I hate when I pull into a spot and then have to pull out cause I realize some inconsiderate person didn't return the cart to the corral. 

Now, I return to the corral in the parking lot but I don't return them to the pick up spot near the store entrance.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 09:11:59 AM
We did just have this conversation recently.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Sorry everyone, didn't realize this was a recent thing, thought it was something that wouldn't come up much.  :lol

I work in the family business of auto repair and we get a number of jobs in from people damaged in parking lots, usually close to half from shopping carts and the rest from somehow hitting the light poles or wind catching the doors. Put your carts back for the sake of others, even minor damage isn't cheap to fix.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 03, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
I always put them back. I also put away carts that others leave around. I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.

Kattelox, I think the old conversation is buried in the "pissed off" thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: PowerSlave on November 03, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 03, 2017, 09:45:23 AM
I do. Most of the time.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2017, 09:47:27 AM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on November 03, 2017, 09:49:53 AM
I always do, itís rude not to, plus a few extra steps wonít kill me.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 09:51:10 AM
I always put them back. I also put away carts that others leave around. I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.

What on Earth  :lol

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 03, 2017, 09:51:46 AM
I always do, don't know why I wouldn't.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 03, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
I always put them back. I also put away carts that others leave around. I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.

What on Earth  :lol

Sorry, it's an inside joke aimed at TAC.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 03, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
I almost never use carts. On the rare occasion that I do I park right next to a corral. If I'm walking to the store and there's a stray about I'll usually either knock it over so it can't roll or prop the front wheels up on a curb. Somebody other than me gets paid to deal with that.

And I believe "recently" is way back towards the beginning of my pissed off thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 03, 2017, 10:36:28 AM
I always do. Though, I didn't know that their home place was called a "corral". (Over here we call them "trolleys" and they live in a "trolley park")

I've learned something new today.

DTF: A place of education.. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 10:38:28 AM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to

No it isn't.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 03, 2017, 10:41:11 AM
DTF: A place of education.. :lol

And frequently not the education you were expecting.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 03, 2017, 10:45:21 AM
So, fess up. Do you do the right thing, or do you leave carts out to roll around and damage people's cars?

Wrong question. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
Return it or I will destroy you all.

Recently I had a guy hit my parked car with his truck, back out and park in another spot.  He went into the store with 2 other buddies and was never going to tell me about the damage and lucky for me 3 by standards saw and stayed to tell me.  He walked right by me going to his truck like he didn't know anything and I yelled out to him the police were on the way.


$3700.00 of damage and of course he had no insurance.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Skeever on November 03, 2017, 10:58:18 AM
Return it or I will destroy you all.

Recently I had a guy hit my parked car with his truck, back out and park in another spot.  He went into the store with 2 other buddies and was never going to tell me about the damage and lucky for me 3 by standards saw and stayed to tell me.  He walked right by me going to his truck like he didn't know anything and I yelled out to him the police were on the way.


$3700.00 of damage and of course he had no insurance.

It's always some dbag who thinks he needs to have a huge pickup that he doesn't actually need or know how to drive.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 03, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
I always return the cart. Unless I'm in a hurry, I will prop it up beside the curb or put it sideways from gravity doing its job and causing it to roll, in the middle of the parking spaces on the yellow/white line.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 03, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to

No it isn't.

It kinda seems like it is though.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 03, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to

No it isn't.
First off, as a person with grocery store management experience this is an opinion that carries more weight than our own.

Secondly, I think you need to elaborate on that. As I recall, the last time this came up you found my "it's somebody else's job" argument less than compelling.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 11:49:21 AM
TAC is the person who doesn't flush the toilet in a public restroom.  ;)  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 03, 2017, 12:06:17 PM
Come on, now. Let's go a bit easy on TAC. As a valued member of this community, he's earned our respect. Just his life-hack alone -- not needing to wash your car because, you know, rain -- has proven to be remarkably unvaluable.

 :tup
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 12:24:49 PM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to

No it isn't.
First off, as a person with grocery store management experience this is an opinion that carries more weight than our own.

Secondly, I think you need to elaborate on that. As I recall, the last time this came up you found my "it's somebody else's job" argument less than compelling.

TAC looks as it as a service that a grocery store should supply.  The problem is, it's never managed correctly and carts are left all over the place that can damage cars.  So the decent thing to do is to walk a few feet and put the cart in the corral.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2017, 12:31:16 PM
Always. Itís pretty rude not to

No it isn't.
First off, as a person with grocery store management experience this is an opinion that carries more weight than our own.

Secondly, I think you need to elaborate on that. As I recall, the last time this came up you found my "it's somebody else's job" argument less than compelling.

TAC looks as it as a service that a grocery store should supply.  The problem is, it's never managed correctly and carts are left all over the place that can damage cars.  So the decent thing to do is to walk a few feet and put the cart in the corral.

Then what's the point of the corrals if not for people to return the carts to them?  The guy who roams the lots job is to bring them back to the front of the store I thought.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 12:47:50 PM
I'm not saying he's right! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Grappler on November 03, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Then what's the point of the corrals if not for people to return the carts to them?  The guy who roams the lots job is to bring them back to the front of the store I thought.

"The guy who roams the lots" has many other job duties in addition to collecting carts.  I worked at a grocery store in high school, starting out as a grocery bagger.  We were assigned one hour shifts to be on cart duty in the lots to collect and bring them up.  This was before stores had the nice, motorized units that do the pushing for them.   >:(

If it's busy, they may get called back inside to bag groceries, so they're not always going to be roaming the lots, looking for carts to bring up.  So people should do the right thing, and put their cart in the corral, so it's not blowing around in the wind hitting cars until someone has a chance to grab it. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
Or management need to staff better.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 01:31:47 PM
I'm not saying he's right! :lol

 :lol


Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
So I've spent my entire adult life working for a major supermarket chain. I became a Front End Manager, an Assistant Store Manager, and became a Store Manager for 16 years. I stepped down to a Grocery Department Manager 4 years ago to accommodate some home issues. Not that my opinion matters more than anyone elses, but I just thought I'd mention that. I have taken dozens of carriage damage claims over the years. What funny is that like 75% of them the customer says, "I just got the car this week." :lol


Anyway what I would also tell you about my self is that I am not a rude person by any stretch. I am more than friendly and polite. I may tailgate you if you are driving too slow in the passing lane, but am more than happy to let people in if they are trying to come out of a tough side street.
I am also a reluctant tipper. Because someone takes my order and retrieves my food, I now have to inflate my bill by 10-20%? Fuck that.

Likewise, I also don't feel like I should have to return my carriage when I go grocery shopping. I can't remember when corrals started popping up, but why would I do the store's work? What's next? Bag my own groceries? They already have me sucked in on that. First hours to be cut? Bagging Hours. Which coincidentally are the same people that collect carriages. Next thing you know, I'll be scanning my own order. Oh that's right. Self Checkout, where maybe there might be a monitor to help on up to 6 registers. Follow me?
And this has nothing to do with my work experience. This is common sense. I am not a "stick it to the man" kind of guy, but I also don't like places where I spend my money to expect me to do what I am paying them to do. Does that make sense?

These corrals weren't erected for the greater good of mankind. They were erected to (sorry to pull a Stadler) 1) save labor costs, and 2) save on damage claims. That's it. But the stores have to be psyched because what has happened over time is that it is now accepted practice to return these carts. God forbid you don't and you'd be considered "rude" or "inconsiderate". Yeah, times change and accepted public norms change with it, but the last thing I need is some "do gooder" telling me that it is my duty to return my cart.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 02:05:10 PM
Tim, funny you're talking about claims, here I am at a grocery store and I see a kid shagging carriages and now they have them push it from the opposite side. so this kid has to hunch over to push these 10 carts.

At some point the first carriage got loose and hit cars so instead of using the straps that they had in the early 2000's, then I'll push the cards backwards not caring about these young kids backs. All in a sake of money.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
Tim, funny you're talking about claims, here I am at a grocery store and I see a kid shagging carriages and now they have them push it from the opposite side. so this kid has to hunch over to push these 10 carts.

At some point the first carriage got loose and hit cars so instead of using the straps that they had in the early 2000's, then I'll push the cards backwards not caring about these young kids backs. All in a sake of money.

Well, policy is no more than 6 at a time. For two reasons. Worker's Comp, and like you said, you cannot control a long pile. And policy is to use a strap.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kaos2900 on November 03, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
Yes I always do. A few a weeks ago I went out of my way with my daughters in hand to move a cart out of the middle of the parking lot that some lazy asshole left and I found a nice crisp $10 bill under the kart.  :metal
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 03, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
My first job was retrieving the carts from the corrals for a super market, so I know what its like to run all over the lot hunting down loose ones. I always put it back that though.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2017, 02:59:03 PM

I am also a reluctant tipper. Because someone takes my order and retrieves my food, I now have to inflate my bill by 10-20%? Fuck that.

 :tdwn :tdwn


And this has nothing to do with my work experience. This is common sense. I am not a "stick it to the man" kind of guy, but I also don't like places where I spend my money to expect me to do what I am paying them to do. Does that make sense?


No.


These corrals weren't erected for the greater good of mankind. They were erected to (sorry to pull a Stadler) 1) save labor costs, and 2) save on damage claims. That's it. But the stores have to be psyched because what has happened over time is that it is now accepted practice to return these carts. God forbid you don't and you'd be considered "rude" or "inconsiderate". Yeah, times change and accepted public norms change with it, but the last thing I need is some "do gooder" telling me that it is my duty to return my cart.

Oh. So if you don't return the cart, and 20 seconds later, it rolls into someone else's car, is it the store's fault for not having someone there to retrieve your cart the second you decided you weren't going to bother with it anymore?

It is not a matter of being a "do-gooder."  It is a matter of common courtesy.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 03:04:34 PM
I... wait a minute. You do know how much people who depend on tips actually make, right TAC? Waiters, delivery people etc. depend on tips for their income. And yeah, lots of stores do have self-bagging now (I don't use 'em though). If the corrals weren't there you'd have shopping carts all over the place and not a single person with a ding-free car...

There are several corrals in every parking lot... often times you're within feet of one. You actually go out of your way to be a contrarian and not use them? :P

I think the can of worms has been opened... oh dear...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 03, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
Where exactly do some of you live that there is apparently some epidemic of properly-stowed shopping carts breaking loose and doing mass damage?  And do you know what phenomenon is actually causing such mass destruction?  I'm genuinely curious, as I have never seen this.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
 :lol

It's not mass damage but little dents to our cars.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 03, 2017, 03:14:49 PM
Yes, but apparently, there are huge packs of, from the sound of it, hundreds of these renegade cards running around every parking lot in American inflicting goodness knows how many of these little dents every day.  They must be stopped!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2017, 03:16:15 PM
(https://www.mcfloogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/open-borders-straw-man.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 03:18:55 PM
Yes, but apparently, there are huge packs of, from the sound of it, hundreds of these renegade cards running around every parking lot in American inflicting goodness knows how many of these little dents every day.  They must be stopped!

I don't know who's saying that but it's a hilarious image :lol but really, I live in a small town - about 11k people - and it's surprising how often carts damage people's cars just in this place. Maybe there's something in the water. The midwest is a strange place.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
Carts doing damage is a known thing where I am from, not that it's so common you hear about it daily or it's injuring people, but it's an annoyance and could be solved fairly easily.  Was just discussing with my friends the other day about why people park so far away sometimes, a good reason, to avoid having your car hit from a rogue cart.  I actually saved a car a couple months ago, so a rogue cart from the wind flying across the parking lot and I saw it was going to ram into a car but I stopped it and returned it.  My unseen good deed for the day that day.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 03, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
So I've spent my entire adult life working for a major supermarket chain. I became a Front End Manager, an Assistant Store Manager, and became a Store Manager for 16 years. I stepped down to a Grocery Department Manager 4 years ago to accommodate some home issues. Not that my opinion matters more than anyone elses, but I just thought I'd mention that. I have taken dozens of carriage damage claims over the years. What funny is that like 75% of them the customer says, "I just got the car this week." :lol


Anyway what I would also tell you about my self is that I am not a rude person by any stretch. I am more than friendly and polite. I may tailgate you if you are driving too slow in the passing lane, but am more than happy to let people in if they are trying to come out of a tough side street.
I am also a reluctant tipper. Because someone takes my order and retrieves my food, I now have to inflate my bill by 10-20%? Fuck that.

Likewise, I also don't feel like I should have to return my carriage when I go grocery shopping. I can't remember when corrals started popping up, but why would I do the store's work? What's next? Bag my own groceries? They already have me sucked in on that. First hours to be cut? Bagging Hours. Which coincidentally are the same people that collect carriages. Next thing you know, I'll be scanning my own order. Oh that's right. Self Checkout, where maybe there might be a monitor to help on up to 6 registers. Follow me?
And this has nothing to do with my work experience. This is common sense. I am not a "stick it to the man" kind of guy, but I also don't like places where I spend my money to expect me to do what I am paying them to do. Does that make sense?

These corrals weren't erected for the greater good of mankind. They were erected to (sorry to pull a Stadler) 1) save labor costs, and 2) save on damage claims. That's it. But the stores have to be psyched because what has happened over time is that it is now accepted practice to return these carts. God forbid you don't and you'd be considered "rude" or "inconsiderate". Yeah, times change and accepted public norms change with it, but the last thing I need is some "do gooder" telling me that it is my duty to return my cart.
That settles it. I'm flipping over the next shopping cart I see.

And by the way, what is the store's liability with shopping cart dents?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 03:34:43 PM
Oh. So if you don't return the cart, and 20 seconds later, it rolls into someone else's car, is it the store's fault for not having someone there to retrieve your cart the second you decided you weren't going to bother with it anymore?
That's the whole reason they're there Kev. To (try to) absolve the store of any fault.


I... wait a minute. You do know how much people who depend on tips actually make, right TAC?

Yes. But really, what companies pay their employees is their business. Why am I supplementing their wages?


I actually saved a car a couple months ago, so a rogue cart from the wind flying across the parking lot and I saw it was going to ram into a car but I stopped it and returned it.  My unseen good deed for the day that day.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/54/f3/7a54f37c5648659d3fec1135f813c90d.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 03, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
As someone who worked in a supermarket for four years and had to collect shopping carts in the dead of winter, yes. If you have perfectly good legs then thereís no excuse to leave it for someone else to do. Nobody is above that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 03:36:07 PM
And by the way, what is the store's liability with shopping cart dents?

No idea. My job was to fill out the report, take pictures, and "send it up."

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 03:42:34 PM
I... wait a minute. You do know how much people who depend on tips actually make, right TAC?

Yes. But really, what companies pay their employees is their business. Why am I supplementing their wages?

This upsets me. Don't eat at a restaurant or order delivery if you won't tip the workers, they literally need tips to survive. :/
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 03, 2017, 03:44:25 PM
As someone who worked in a supermarket for four years and had to collect shopping carts in the dead of winter, yes. If you have perfectly good legs then thereís no excuse to leave it for someone else to do. Nobody is above that.

While I always put my cart away your statement rubs me the wrong way.  It's your job to get carts,
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 03, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
And by the way, what is the store's liability with shopping cart dents?

No idea. My job was to fill out the report, take pictures, and "send it up."
According to the law offices of Google, the property owners have no liability for damages. Seems the best use of the forms you fill out are for the car owner to submit to the folks at Allstate.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
This upsets me. Don't eat at a restaurant or order delivery if you won't tip the workers, they literally need tips to survive. :/


I never said I don't tip. I will, especially if it's good service. But I do not in any way agree with this setup. That's all. One of my personal pet peeves.

But if I get minimal service, the tip will be commensurate. You don't get it for just showing up.

I'm really not an asshole. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 03, 2017, 03:48:08 PM
I... wait a minute. You do know how much people who depend on tips actually make, right TAC?

Yes. But really, what companies pay their employees is their business. Why am I supplementing their wages?

This upsets me. Don't eat at a restaurant or order delivery if you won't tip the workers, they literally need tips to survive. :/
Yup. Restaurant workers need tips to survive. This is because restaurant owners found out they could punt the cost of their labor onto gullible, yet kind-hearted customers. Frankly, it's bullshit, but since it's well established bullshit I play ball.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 03:51:14 PM
Frankly, it's bullshit, but since it's well established bullshit I play ball.

Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 03, 2017, 04:06:34 PM
Oh, okay. I'm on board with that, it sounded different earlier. Poor service = poor tip, but yeah, I don't like the system either, it's absurd.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
but yeah, I don't like the system either, it's absurd.

Right. I believe what I said in my post was that I'm a reluctant tipper.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on November 03, 2017, 05:03:02 PM
Depends on how close to the cart coral I am, but most of the time I leave them between parking spaces in a way that does not interfere with people's ability to park in the adjoining spaces.  It preserves work for the kids whose job it is to gather them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on November 03, 2017, 05:05:50 PM
The only time I don't is when the cart return is like 60 feet away. Then I park it up out of the way. When I lived in Phoenix it was a common occurrence to find carts behind people's cars which pissed me off to no end. How fucking douchey. The worst part was when they'd do that and the return would be literally 5 feet away. Lazy fucks.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2017, 06:16:57 PM


Oh. So if you don't return the cart, and 20 seconds later, it rolls into someone else's car, is it the store's fault for not having someone there to retrieve your cart the second you decided you weren't going to bother with it anymore?
That's the whole reason they're there Kev. To (try to) absolve the store of any fault.


Gotcha. So everyone who exits the grocery store with a cart needs an escort so that employee can grab it whenever said customer arbitrarily decides they are done with it. Duly noted.  :biggrin:


  Restaurant workers need tips to survive. This is because restaurant owners found out they could punt the cost of their labor onto gullible, yet kind-hearted customers. Frankly, it's bullshit, but since it's well established bullshit I play ball.

As a former bartender, I will freely admit that tipping is out of control. I had some woman try to shame me at a local pizza place last winter for not tipping the counter girl who literally turned around, was handed the pizza box from the cook (who had just finished it and boxed it up), and then handed it to me.  The woman saw my credit card slip still sitting there with the tip part zeroed out.  It's like, we are tipping now for handing me a pizza when I go get it myself from the store?  I tend to overtip when eating in restaurants, especially if I sit at a bar (gotta hook up the bartenders!), but tipping in general is way out of control.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: orcus116 on November 03, 2017, 06:34:32 PM
Yeah I was at a Jersey Mike's today and the cashier said "ok there's going to be a prompt that comes up and you can say no" and it was an electronic tip thing and I pushed No. It was an assembly line type service which is how I was going to get my food at the set prices on the menu board so why in the world would I be tipping? I guess marketing has determined that there is enough guilt factor to make that kind of stuff worth putting on the end transaction.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on November 03, 2017, 06:40:17 PM
I see that at Jersey Mikes all the time, I always hit no unless one guy I know is working there who sees my car pull up and has my half made by the time I get in the store. I'm sure the tips are pooled but I'll still tip for that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on November 03, 2017, 06:53:19 PM
I always put them back. It's super fucking annoying to think I've found a decent parking spot only to see a goddamn shopping cart in the way. I've seen a few stray carts roll into parked cars. I doubt they did much damage but there's really no need for it to happen in the first place. It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.

It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.


As a former bartender, I will freely admit that tipping is out of control. I had some woman try to shame me at a local pizza place last winter for not tipping the counter girl who literally turned around, was handed the pizza box from the cook (who had just finished it and boxed it up), and then handed it to me.  The woman saw my credit card slip still sitting there with the tip part zeroed out.  It's like, we are tipping now for handing me a pizza when I go get it myself from the store?  I tend to overtip when eating in restaurants, especially if I sit at a bar (gotta hook up the bartenders!), but tipping in general is way out of control.

Dude, I once took my car to get the brakes done and they had a fucking sign that said something like, "Tipping is not a city in China." I never went back to that mechanic.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
I always put them back. It's super fucking annoying to think I've found a decent parking spot only to see a goddamn shopping cart in the way. I've seen a few stray carts roll into parked cars. I doubt they did much damage but there's really no need for it to happen in the first place. It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.

It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.


Apparently. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on November 03, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
I always put them back. It's super fucking annoying to think I've found a decent parking spot only to see a goddamn shopping cart in the way. I've seen a few stray carts roll into parked cars. I doubt they did much damage but there's really no need for it to happen in the first place. It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.

It's not a big deal for me to roll the cart to where it belongs.


Apparently. :lol

Ha ha how'd that get in there twice?!  :omg:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pogoowner on November 03, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
I always return my cart. I worked in big box retail for years, working my way up from retrieving carts to assistant store manager, and I've seen just about everything there is to see regarding shopping carts. Just leaving it really isn't an option in my mind.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Snow Dog on November 03, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
I almost always return my shopping cart to the corral.  I don't want my car hit by a randomly rolling cart, and I'd like to think no one else does either, so I don't mind walking a few extra feet to safeguard against it.  Sometimes it's a fun game to test your aim and see if you can roll it in from some distance (with no other cars in the line of fire, of course).

As for tipping...

I worked for about two and a half years serving tables while attending physical therapy school.  Gave me a whole other perspective on the job and what goes into it.  I made $2.13 an hour (as that was the going wage in Utah ten years ago, who knows what it is now...), and if it wasn't for tips, I wouldn't have survived.  I never saw a dime of those wages as the taxes on claimed tips wiped them out, and as a result, the amount on the pay stubs was $0.00 the entire time I worked there (with them watermarked with "This is not a check."  No shit, thanks for the reminder).  Once in a rare while, I'll still have a nightmare about serving tables where nothing gets done, and orders are piling up from pissed off customers.  Point is, it's hard work, and even just adequate service will net you at least 20% in a tip with me if I'm dining at a restaurant.  Subpar is usually 17-18%, and you really have to fuck up or ignore me to get a tip 15% or less.

That said, I only tip three types of people:  Restaurant servers/bartenders, pizza delivery drivers, and barbers/stylists (and that last one is only because it's supposedly a rule and we should do it?)  If you make my coffee, make my sandwich/burrito, fix my car (that was really there, Herrick?  Are you fucking kidding me?), etc., (basically do what you're paid your wages to do), you're out of luck. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 04, 2017, 11:13:04 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: dparrott on November 04, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
I at least put them with other carts and/or away from cars if not in the designated spots.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bout to crash on November 05, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
Always. Like others have said, I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to walk a little bit, especially after you've been pushing the thing around the store for half an hour.
Yes, there are people who get paid to bring the carts in, but they aren't going to make somebody stand outside all the time to get every single cart that's left in a shitty place. It's not about making that person's job easier so much as courtesy to other people who use the parking lot, IMO (in fact I always liked having stupid shit like that to do to kill time on slow days when I worked in retail).
It's a fucking thing on wheels- regardless of wind it is not going to stay in the same place you put it, even if that is a place that is supposedly not in the way of anybody parking. Stop being lazy and think about how annoying it is when you start pulling into a spot only to find a cart obstructing your route, or to walk outside, Cheetos and ice cream in hand, to find a surprise dent. Don't be a dick.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 07:25:18 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I used to not tip for takeout but then started getting take out from the same spot often enough that I thought it would be a good idea to tip.  As for the mechanic, I would have never thought to tip them because they already overcharge IMO but my coworker always tips his and he said it helps make sure you get a decent deal and do the job correctly.  I feel that's kind of ridiculous.  Also this same coworker snuck the last mechanic at the dealership a 20 to get in front of the long line of cars ahead of him to be fixed.  So I don't know, I know that saved his ass, but that also kind of makes me mad that it worked.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 07:37:46 AM
I will tip local restaurants, but not chains. There's one guy who makes the best Mexican food I've ever had, and it's pretty much just him in there, and I tip him - bigly - every time. But a chain? Nah.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 06, 2017, 08:20:43 AM
Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I used to not tip for takeout but then started getting take out from the same spot often enough that I thought it would be a good idea to tip.  As for the mechanic, I would have never thought to tip them because they already overcharge IMO but my coworker always tips his and he said it helps make sure you get a decent deal and do the job correctly.  I feel that's kind of ridiculous.  Also this same coworker snuck the last mechanic at the dealership a 20 to get in front of the long line of cars ahead of him to be fixed.  So I don't know, I know that saved his ass, but that also kind of makes me mad that it worked.
Now that I think about it I have gone back and taken a 12-pack to my mechanic after a job or two. It's a small shop and gets crowded, and I've had them shuffle things around to work me in. Besides, basic repair work isn't what they want to be doing anyway. I'm more of an annoyance to them than a good customer. I was thinking more about dealers or chains. Just Brakes, not that they'd touch my car anyway, isn't getting a tip from me.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 09:15:52 AM
These corrals weren't erected for the greater good of mankind. They were erected to (sorry to pull a Stadler) 1) save labor costs, and 2) save on damage claims. That's it. But the stores have to be psyched because what has happened over time is that it is now accepted practice to return these carts. God forbid you don't and you'd be considered "rude" or "inconsiderate". Yeah, times change and accepted public norms change with it, but the last thing I need is some "do gooder" telling me that it is my duty to return my cart.

See that? It's a) helpful and - I have to add - b) contagious.  :) :) :) :) :)


No seriously, for me, it's about economics.   I am the guy that puts carts in the corral because if not paying someone to to roam around the lot collecting carts means that my Froot Loops are $0.05 cheaper, and the guy that is supposed to make sure the returnables machines are clear, then I'm in.  I'm also the guy that will see a box of Triscuits in the Paper Towels aisle, and I'll bring it with me to the Triscuit section.   

I courtesy flush. 
I step aside at the McDonald's line while I'm deciding whether to go with a Number 2 (Two cheeseburgers) or a Number 3 (Quarter Pounder with Cheese) Meal. 
I move over on the highway, even if I am going 80, and even if there is a modicum of traffic.
I am with el Barto, in that I tip good service for good service, and will not tip because just because I'm asked.

Those are not exactly the same thing, but it's how I try to live the "do unto others..." rule.   

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 09:20:32 AM
No, no, no, if you see Triscuits in the paper towel section, you put them in your cart and take them home with you. Duh.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2017, 09:22:12 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 09:23:25 AM
No, no, no, if you see Triscuits in the paper towel section, you put them in your cart and take them home with you. Duh.

Haha, fair point, no argument.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 09:28:13 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2017, 09:30:21 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.

As long as it gets the job done.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
I forgot about that Euro way of doing the carts, that does make sense.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 09:49:52 AM
My father had an evil idea like that but for restrooms at his business and home so he'd be able to ensure he could actually get in the restroom when he wanted to instead of waiting on someone. The toilet lid or shower would slowly shut/turn off once the meter ran out. Better bring extra change. I guess raising several children does drive you insane. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
My father had an evil idea like that but for restrooms at his business and home so he'd be able to ensure he could actually get in the restroom when he wanted to instead of waiting on someone. The toilet lid or shower would slowly shut/turn off once the meter ran out. Better bring extra change. I guess raising several children does drive you insane. :lol

The rest stops along the Auobahn in Germany require coins to use (forget the exact amount, its been awhile).  Another european thing I guess.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 06, 2017, 10:02:13 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.


They opened up an Aldi's here a few months ago. I was so confused when I couldn't just take a cart. "What? A quarter? CHEAP BASTARDS!"


...


"Oh... I got my quarter back..."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Aldi is a european store too so that makes sense
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 06, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.

There's a chain here in Connecticut - Price Choppers or something like that - that does the same thing.  I can uneq1uiocally tell you that it's not because of "rogue carts in the parking lot".  It's because the kids steal them and dump them in the Connecticut River after their joy rides.
And a quarter is supposed to stop that? Fuck, I'd consider the charge sanctioning the experience and gladly pay a quarter to joyride one down to the river.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on November 06, 2017, 11:29:09 AM
That was really there, Herrick?  Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah. I've never seen one at any other mechanic before or since.

Tipping for take-out is an oddball thing, and when I brought it up a year or two ago people really freaked out about it. If it's a place that deals primarily with take-out, pizza or Chinese, then I don't. If it's a normal restaurant that I'm picking food up from then I always tip. It's usually a bartender or hostess that has to make sure everything gets put together and I'm taking away from their other customers. A buck a bag is customary for that. I don't eat there, but I suppose Applebees would be an example of a proper restaurant that people get take-out from.

Jersey Mikes is an interesting one. I'd put that in the same category as Freebirds (Chipotle knockoff). If you're prompted after you see them make your food then you can tip accordingly. Poorly assembled burritos really piss me off. A lot of the time people just throw shit in there with no thought whatsoever. If a guy takes his time and makes sure everything is evenly distributed and then nicely rolled I'll happily give him a buck. Good service is what you're actually supposed to tip in the first place, after all.

Never heard of tipping a mechanic, and I don't even know what you'd base it on (the shop's $120/hr labor rate?). However, I always tip the Mexicans that repair, inflate, or re-balance my tires. Working in a tire shop in Texas is a bitch. And nowadays there is no more free air. Rather than paying a buck at 7-11 for their air I'd rather tip a Mexican $2 to properly inflate all for tires.

I tip the tire guys (when they plug a tire) and the food delivery people too. I'm not a fan of tipping but I'll do it when it's expected but not at a fucking mechanic's shop.

One time a mechanic helped me out and didn't charge me because the fix was so simple. I insisted I do something for him so he said just get him a sandwich at Subway. The dude was cool and I was happy to buy him lunch.

I will tip local restaurants, but not chains. There's one guy who makes the best Mexican food I've ever had, and it's pretty much just him in there, and I tip him - bigly - every time. But a chain? Nah.

Why don't you tip at chain restaurants?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
I should clarify, I won't like, leave a tip on the bill when I pay, but I'll drop a few bucks on the table when I'm done. I guess it's the same thing, I just see them differently in my head. I don't know if they get taxed on what I leave on the table?

But I do tend to tip more to the local guys because there's a personal relationship that develops there and I want the local shop to stick around and prosper. There have been times where I'll pick up one item from the Mexican place and the total will be $12 and I'll just give him a 20 and tell him to keep the rest.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Mindflux on November 06, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
Yes. I'm not an animal.

We've had carts roll and hit our vehicles before. Nobody left a note or laid claim it was their fault either.   :censored
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 06, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
Yes, I always return the cart, why wouldn't you? In literally any lot for a store with carts they give away perfectly good parking spaces just so we have places to return them to. Not doing so is just irresponsible, and can potentially cause damage to people's cars. Don't even have to take into account the person who has the job of getting the carts in. I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 02:10:53 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread because I've already earned a reputation of being a old fogey and whenever I read this thread my first thought is, "Back when I was young..."  :lol

Nick's post about social contract (which I agree with) makes me want to also throw out, for your consideration, that we Americans have created this situation ourselves through consumerism and the "Walmart mentality."

It used to be that grocery stores did employ an army of pimply young people who would bag the groceries, walk your cart out to your car, load the groceries, and return the cart to the store's indoor corral. If you told them you wanted to do it yourself, they would still have someone out front watching who would dash over and retrieve the cart. But, if it was a really busy time and all the Clearasil generation were busy, the patrons routinely, and without complaint, returned the carts themselves. Sure maybe there was a few ne'er-do-wells who would leave an occasional cart out in the parking lot, but between courteous shoppers and the lot lizards it was never a problem.

It was only when the "always the low price" stores started popping up that corners had to be cut to stay competitive, which meant employees...low paid employees first. Then, because the shopper wasn't getting treated like royalty, people started leaving more carts around. A few dings in the paint job equal a few complaints to the store but by voting with their dollars the consumer showed that job one was saving a few dollars at the register--the store owner just couldn't afford the full time attendant/baggers. Besides, as has been discussed, it's been impossible for insurance companies to stick store owners with the bill for the paint job. Still, it's not good policy to ignore your customer concerns..so, in an attempt to limit the damage parking lot corrals were invented.

That's where we find ourselves.

Not valuing service and treating service oriented businesses like a commodity to be gathered at the lowest possible price has destroyed a lot of the value we once received.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread because I've already earned a reputation of being a old fogey and whenever I read this thread my first thought is, "Back when I was young..."  :lol

Nick's post about social contract (which I agree with) makes me want to also throw out, for your consideration, that we Americans have created this situation ourselves through consumerism and the "Walmart mentality."

It used to be that grocery stores did employ an army of pimply young people who would bag the groceries, walk your cart out to your car, load the groceries, and return the cart to the store's indoor corral. If you told them you wanted to do it yourself, they would still have someone out front watching who would dash over and retrieve the cart. But, if it was a really busy time and all the Clearasil generation were busy, the patrons routinely, and without complaint, returned the carts themselves. Sure maybe there was a few ne'er-do-wells who would leave an occasional cart out in the parking lot, but between courteous shoppers and the lot lizards it was never a problem.

It was only when the "always the low price" stores started popping up that corners had to be cut to stay competitive, which meant employees...low paid employees first. Then, because the shopper wasn't getting treated like royalty, people started leaving more carts around. A few dings in the paint job equal a few complaints to the store but by voting with their dollars the consumer showed that job one was saving a few dollars at the register--the store owner just couldn't afford the full time attendant/baggers. Besides, as has been discussed, it's been impossible for insurance companies to stick store owners with the bill for the paint job. Still, it's not good policy to ignore your customer concerns..so, in an attempt to limit the damage parking lot corrals were invented.

That's where we find ourselves.

Not valuing service and treating service oriented businesses like a commodity to be gathered at the lowest possible price has destroyed a lot of the value we once received.

So Stadler, do you return the cart or not??
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 02:38:21 PM

So Stadler, do you return the cart or not??

I always put them back. I also put away carts that others leave around. I wouldn't want anything accidentally wiping the semen off my car.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2017, 02:42:42 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread

 :P
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2017, 02:46:38 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 02:48:21 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread

 :P

Answering the OP question is not the same as a lengthy discussion on why. :P
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2017, 02:49:38 PM
I've refrained from posting my thoughts in this thread

 :P

Answering the OP question is not the same as a lengthy discussion on why. :P

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Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: wolfking on November 06, 2017, 02:50:45 PM
I always put my cart/trolley back, I can't believe people don't to be honest.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 02:51:38 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.

But, respectfully, this thread is simply about moving them into the corral. Not rounding them up and bringing them inside, which is the store's duty. YOUR duty - moral obligation, rather - is to put the cart back in a common area where they can then be gathered by said employees, and you don't even have to go back inside the store to do it :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 02:54:16 PM
He's just being grumpy, Kattelox. Just smile, nod, pat him on the head and he'll go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 03:13:42 PM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.

You're not being shamed or deluded.   You're opting, with your actions, to accept lower prices.    Podaar says it like it's a bad thing, but honestly, I DON'T value that service.  I'm a fit (sort of) able (sort of) adult human.  I can walk my own fucking groceries to my car, thanks, and I don't need Opie to do it for me.   So in exchange for not doing that, I get to keep some dollars in my pocket.

I grew up in a small town, where everyone (pretty much) knew everyone.   The local grocery was "Faynor's".  I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Faynor was there all the time.   And they did all this.    My mom would say to the kid, "I brought my own" (meaning me and my brother) and we would carry the bags out.   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 03:22:50 PM
Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

It could be a generational thing since I haven't experienced this, but I kind of like to just do things myself if I can.  I always bag my own stuff even if someone is there to help, I help them or let them help someone else who needs it.  I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
You're not being shamed or deluded.   You're opting, with your actions, to accept lower prices.    Podaar says it like it's a bad thing, but honestly, I DON'T value that service.  I'm a fit (sort of) able (sort of) adult human.  I can walk my own fucking groceries to my car, thanks, and I don't need Opie to do it for me.   So in exchange for not doing that, I get to keep some dollars in my pocket.

I grew up in a small town, where everyone (pretty much) knew everyone.   The local grocery was "Faynor's".  I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Faynor was there all the time.   And they did all this.    My mom would say to the kid, "I brought my own" (meaning me and my brother) and we would carry the bags out.

I did, didn't I. That wasn't my intent. I was trying to point out that it inconsistent for us as consumers to choose low prices yet still expect white glove service. I know for most of us it's not an issue, though, so I'm probably preaching to the choir.

Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

Where I grew up, it was store policy that the lot lizards weren't allowed to accept tips. They could be fired for it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 06, 2017, 03:44:36 PM
Did you then tip these people for carrying your bags and groceries to your car? 

It could be a generational thing since I haven't experienced this, but I kind of like to just do things myself if I can.  I always bag my own stuff even if someone is there to help, I help them or let them help someone else who needs it.  I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.
As far as I remember you were supposed to tip the people who carry your groceries, but then I'm not quite the fogey Podar is.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 06, 2017, 03:45:11 PM
Nobody is!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
 :lol

Prediction realized.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 06, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.

I'm sure your wife appreciates that. Hey-o!

Anyway, take your cart back to the corral, return it to the store, or leave it in a place where it won't roll in to a car. All are equally acceptable. If I don't park by a corral, I leave my cart on the sidewalk so that it is 1) out of the way of cars and 2) ready for the next customer to grab on their way in.

I can't imagine dropping a quarter in to a machine to rent a cart, even to get the quarter back when I return it. Now I gotta make sure I have a quarter handy when I run to the store?

Not valuing service and treating service oriented businesses like a commodity to be gathered at the lowest possible price has destroyed a lot of the value we once received.

I don't consider a grocery store a "service oriented business." There is some level of service like stocking the shelves, ringing up my purchases (if I don't use the self-check out...). But I think most of us are willing to accept that the things you mentioned - walking the cart to our car, loading up our trunk with our bags - do not hold value for us.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 03:58:54 PM
Agreed, Chris.

Groceries, fuel stations, clothing stores, etc. all used to be hybrid commodity/service businesses. But as pricing pressures have been applied most of us are happy to do without the service end if we can get the same product for less.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 04:04:04 PM
Agreed, Chris.

Groceries, fuel stations, clothing stores, etc. all used to be hybrid commodity/service businesses. But as pricing pressures have been applied most of us are happy to do without the service end if we can get the same product for less.

Fuel stations?  Not here in Jersey, all service baby  :lol and we don't even tip them (well I have before in like blizzard conditions, but not normally)

I just don't like standing there while someone does something for me that I am capable of myself, especially if it comes at a cost to me.

I'm sure your wife appreciates that. Hey-o!

 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pogoowner on November 06, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
Israel has a cool system to deal with this, though I'm sure most European countries probably do the same thing.

Essentially all carts all locked and you have to put in a certain amount of money (usually like a quarter or something) to unlock it. Then you get the money back when you return the cart. Mostly seems to work.


They opened up an Aldi's here a few months ago. I was so confused when I couldn't just take a cart. "What? A quarter? CHEAP BASTARDS!"


...


"Oh... I got my quarter back..."
I love ALDI, and I wish all grocery stores did this. I have a far better experience shopping there than pretty much anyplace else.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Snow Dog on November 06, 2017, 09:35:39 PM

Fuel stations?  Not here in Jersey, all service baby  :lol and we don't even tip them (well I have before in like blizzard conditions, but not normally

Oregon does the same thing in having someone pump gas for you. Iíd rather do it myself. Itíd knock the price down a bit per gallon (theoretically) and it would be faster. I donít know how many times I couldíve pumped my own fuel and left in the same time it took for the attendant to even initially approach my window. I just want to gas up and go!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 06, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
I'm really surprised there are still people who pump gas for you at the station. Wow.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Snow Dog on November 06, 2017, 10:54:50 PM
Yup. The reasoning behind it (at least in Oregon) is that it provides jobs. Trouble is that theyíre largely minimum wage and positions not much worth holding except for high schoolers to get job experience or as someoneís supplemental income. Theyíre definitely not anything to make a living with. But thatís a whole other can of worms to be discussed elsewhere...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 07, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
I file this in the social contract area of decency that if you take a cart to help with the shopping you should basically be agreeing to get it back to the proper spot when you're done.

I totally subscribe to this theory. I try and live by it in all parts of my life. But I just can't put carriage retrieval under this umbrella. This is the store's work. Maybe I'm just old. Because a store does not want to adequately staff the parking lot, I will not be shamed and deluded to think that this is somehow, not only my responsibility, but socially expected.

Again, take out completely the argument of it being someone else's job. Because even if it is, chances are (at least here) that they either aren't doing that 100% of the time or simply can't be on the lot 100% of the time, and even if they are on the lot they can't be retrieving carts from all corners of the lot at once.

With that established you have to expect some sort of time lapse between when you leave your cart and when it's picked up. As has been eluded to already the price of good would shoot up if all these stores hired enough people to have 2-3 people ready to go at all times to pick up all carts immediately. So every time you leave your cart you're one wind gust away from damaging other cars. I'm not saying this to shame you, just trying to get you to think about it from a practical standpoint.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2017, 07:54:50 AM

Fuel stations?  Not here in Jersey, all service baby  :lol and we don't even tip them (well I have before in like blizzard conditions, but not normally

Oregon does the same thing in having someone pump gas for you. Iíd rather do it myself. Itíd knock the price down a bit per gallon (theoretically) and it would be faster. I donít know how many times I couldíve pumped my own fuel and left in the same time it took for the attendant to even initially approach my window. I just want to gas up and go!

Yea I was in Oregon earlier this year and was shocked when the guy came and stopped me from being about to pump the gas.  I thought NJ was the only state, guy was so shocked when I told him I was from NJ too.  I have no problem pumping my own gas either, similar to what I mentioned before that I have no issue doing things I am fully capable of doing especially if it would knock off some cents per gallon.  But then again NJ has cheaper gas than many states so it's kind of hard to complain about this.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2017, 08:33:59 AM

Fuel stations?  Not here in Jersey, all service baby  :lol and we don't even tip them (well I have before in like blizzard conditions, but not normally

Oregon does the same thing in having someone pump gas for you. Iíd rather do it myself. Itíd knock the price down a bit per gallon (theoretically) and it would be faster. I donít know how many times I couldíve pumped my own fuel and left in the same time it took for the attendant to even initially approach my window. I just want to gas up and go!

Yea I was in Oregon earlier this year and was shocked when the guy came and stopped me from being about to pump the gas.  I thought NJ was the only state, guy was so shocked when I told him I was from NJ too.  I have no problem pumping my own gas either, similar to what I mentioned before that I have no issue doing things I am fully capable of doing especially if it would knock off some cents per gallon.  But then again NJ has cheaper gas than many states so it's kind of hard to complain about this.

It's hard to compare gas prices in hat sense, since, like cigarettes and alcohol, it's a popular thing for States to tax.   I live in the last town in CT before MA, and I know plenty of people (my step son!) who fill up in Mass on purpose to save a couple dollars (it helps that he works over the border).   CT is a blue state, so we tax the shit out of gasoline (thinking it will encourage people to use mass transit and "save the planet"; it does not) whereas others do not for various reasons. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
I don't consider a grocery store a "service oriented business." There is some level of service like stocking the shelves, ringing up my purchases (if I don't use the self-check out...). But I think most of us are willing to accept that the things you mentioned - walking the cart to our car, loading up our trunk with our bags - do not hold value for us.

You just brought up a great point:   if we're consistent, shouldn't our feelings about the "self-serve checkout" be the same?   I.e., if you think that cart jockeying is a service they should provide and that it feeds jobs, then you ought to be against scanning your own groceries at the checkout.  If you are like me and don't mind doing it yourself, you ought to have no problem with swiping your own meat across the scanner in the checkout line.   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 07, 2017, 09:23:47 AM
I don't consider a grocery store a "service oriented business." There is some level of service like stocking the shelves, ringing up my purchases (if I don't use the self-check out...). But I think most of us are willing to accept that the things you mentioned - walking the cart to our car, loading up our trunk with our bags - do not hold value for us.

You just brought up a great point:   if we're consistent, shouldn't our feelings about the "self-serve checkout" be the same?   I.e., if you think that cart jockeying is a service they should provide and that it feeds jobs, then you ought to be against scanning your own groceries at the checkout.  If you are like me and don't mind doing it yourself, you ought to have no problem with swiping your own meat across the scanner in the checkout line.   


Note to self:

Don't use Self Check Outs are stores where Stadler shops. He likes rubbing his genitals on the scanners.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 07, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
You just brought up a great point:   if we're consistent, shouldn't our feelings about the "self-serve checkout" be the same?   I.e., if you think that cart jockeying is a service they should provide and that it feeds jobs, then you ought to be against scanning your own groceries at the checkout. 

We aren't consistent in our valuation of service though, and we shouldn't be. We factor in worth, and time. I could easily change my car's oil for a lot less than Jiffy Lube, but the time and effort involved swings the balance far enough for me to prefer paying them to do it. Alternatively I could pay someone to clean my house, but that is easy for me to do on my own schedule at no cost, so paying for someone to do it doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
You just brought up a great point:   if we're consistent, shouldn't our feelings about the "self-serve checkout" be the same?   I.e., if you think that cart jockeying is a service they should provide and that it feeds jobs, then you ought to be against scanning your own groceries at the checkout. 

We aren't consistent in our valuation of service though, and we shouldn't be. We factor in worth, and time. I could easily change my car's oil for a lot less than Jiffy Lube, but the time and effort involved swings the balance far enough for me to prefer paying them to do it. Alternatively I could pay someone to clean my house, but that is easy for me to do on my own schedule at no cost, so paying for someone to do it doesn't make any sense.

No, no I hear you.  I change my own oil because it's fun and it makes me feel like I'm doing something.  I have cleaners come in because I can't put the two hours it takes in one fell swoop, and they can do it better than I can. 

I'm just talking specifically about the grocery store, and specifically about the rationale for leaving the cart where you darn well please.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on November 07, 2017, 10:46:29 PM
I should clarify, I won't like, leave a tip on the bill when I pay, but I'll drop a few bucks on the table when I'm done. I guess it's the same thing, I just see them differently in my head. I don't know if they get taxed on what I leave on the table?

But I do tend to tip more to the local guys because there's a personal relationship that develops there and I want the local shop to stick around and prosper. There have been times where I'll pick up one item from the Mexican place and the total will be $12 and I'll just give him a 20 and tell him to keep the rest.

I see.

I'm pretty sure the cash left on the table gets taxed.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Snow Dog on November 07, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
I should clarify, I won't like, leave a tip on the bill when I pay, but I'll drop a few bucks on the table when I'm done. I guess it's the same thing, I just see them differently in my head. I don't know if they get taxed on what I leave on the table?

But I do tend to tip more to the local guys because there's a personal relationship that develops there and I want the local shop to stick around and prosper. There have been times where I'll pick up one item from the Mexican place and the total will be $12 and I'll just give him a 20 and tell him to keep the rest.

I see.

I'm pretty sure the cash left on the table gets taxed.

Yeah, it *should* get taxed. The thing about cash to a server, though, is that they can easily not claim that kind of tip since thereís no record of it like there would be with tips from a credit card slip. Most, if not all, of my coworkers did this to some degree, though the restaurant tried to safeguard against it by saying you had to claim at least 15% of your sales for the day as tips. So if your credit card tips covered that 15% in sales, you could essentially keep the cash tips unclaimed and thus tax free. Didnít make it right, but it was definitely a loophole that many, including myself at times, took advantage of.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: RoeDent on November 08, 2017, 02:24:52 AM
With the majority of shopping trolleys here, you have to deposit a £1 coin (or, like me, a trolley token with the same dimensions as a pound coin) to release the trolley, so you have to return it to the corral (as you call it; no idea what the UK alternative is) to get your pound back.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 08, 2017, 04:23:59 AM
With the majority of shopping trolleys here, you have to deposit a £1 coin (or, like me, a trolley token with the same dimensions as a pound coin) to release the trolley, so you have to return it to the corral (as you call it; no idea what the UK alternative is) to get your pound back.

It's a "trolley park" apparently, though I had to google it.  :lol

Back in the 90's, we had to switch trolleys at the checkout. So you put your pound in the trolley out in the car park, went inside to do your shopping, and then brought your trolley to the checkout, where you then left the trolley at one end, paid for and bagged up your stuff and put in a different trolley at the other end of the checkout.

The local kids soon got wise to this. Quite a few times you'd be returning your trolley after putting your shopping in the car, to find out some wee toerag had jammed a piece of stick into the coin slot. So they'd done that to release the trolley, brought it into the shop and exchanged it for a new trolley containing a shiny pound coin. Then they'd returned the trolley and made off with the loot.

Quite the money maker..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Tick on November 08, 2017, 06:05:23 AM
I put them back because I'm an upstanding citizen.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:00:55 AM
I should clarify, I won't like, leave a tip on the bill when I pay, but I'll drop a few bucks on the table when I'm done. I guess it's the same thing, I just see them differently in my head. I don't know if they get taxed on what I leave on the table?

But I do tend to tip more to the local guys because there's a personal relationship that develops there and I want the local shop to stick around and prosper. There have been times where I'll pick up one item from the Mexican place and the total will be $12 and I'll just give him a 20 and tell him to keep the rest.

I see.

I'm pretty sure the cash left on the table gets taxed.

Yeah, it *should* get taxed. The thing about cash to a server, though, is that they can easily not claim that kind of tip since thereís no record of it like there would be with tips from a credit card slip. Most, if not all, of my coworkers did this to some degree, though the restaurant tried to safeguard against it by saying you had to claim at least 15% of your sales for the day as tips. So if your credit card tips covered that 15% in sales, you could essentially keep the cash tips unclaimed and thus tax free. Didnít make it right, but it was definitely a loophole that many, including myself at times, took advantage of.

Yeah, that's exactly what I've wondered, especially after asking friends who have delivered pizzas or waited tables etc. I know they almost never reported it. I mean, the pizza guys are the same ones who would bring a pizza to a friend's place and take a massive bong rip before heading back on the road, haha, so I would just expect them to not report it (or under report it).
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on November 08, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Down here the "salary" waiters are paid essentially zero's out the tax liability. Don't think I'd call that a loophole or a scam. I suppose if everybody got audited some would come out ahead and others behind, but in the end it seems a reasonable and simple system. You keep your tips and the restaurant gives you a check for $0.0.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 21, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
Made a comment on a relative's Facebook post about (in general) lazy bastards leaving their shopping carts in the lot instead of walking them over to the corral. If you can drag it through the store, weigh it down with products, bring it back out to your car... you can push the empty cart a few extra feet. Yes, you are a lazy bastard if you don't do that, and you should admit it. Well, a friend of said relative admitted she is too lazy to put them up, but was apparently deeply offended by my comment...

So, fess up. Do you do the right thing, or do you leave carts out to roll around and damage people's cars?  :biggrin:

I always do it because I can't stand people who don't.  It's rude, inconsiderate and down right disrespectful.  I'd be willing to bet that the people who don't do it will get pissed at others who don't if it inconveniences them in any way.  Also, it's not just laziness, it's another form of entitlement.  They feel like they're entitled not to do it because it's someone else's job.  In other words, it's beneath them.  That goes way beyond lazy, and to be deeply offended by comments about them?  That goes right past stupid also.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
It's rude, inconsiderate and down right disrespectful.

No it isn't.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 03:31:30 PM
It's rude, inconsiderate and down right disrespectful.

No it isn't.

Yeah, it is, actually. :P
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
You failed to persuade.  Try again.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 03:46:26 PM
Plenty of reasons already laid out and beaten thoroughly into the ground. A cart left out in the open can block a parking space. If one feels so inclined, they will have to stop their car and then move the cart themselves. A stray cart, especially one with a rogue wheel, could roll right into a car and cause expensive damage (this is the biggest point of concern). A stray cart indicates the person thinks it is beneath them to walk a cart a few feet over to the designated Place Where Carts and Carts Only Gather, as if it's a microaggression against them to fulfill this moral obligation to keep shit nice and clear out in the lot where your expensive and fancy vehicles rest (hopefully) unperturbered by the wandering steel menace that threatens to scratch them. Oh, and it makes it much easier for the employees to gather them all at once. Hope that parking lot doesn't ice over!

So yeah, it is rude, inconsiderate, and disrespectful. Put your fuckin' cart back!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
There is no "back."  They aren't in the corral to start with, so there is no "back." 

Anyway, I'm not talking about "stray carts."  NOBODY has addressed how supposedly not putting them in the corral, but not leaving them where they can roll into carts is somehow "rude" or "inconsiderate."  It just isn't.  And nobody who actually works retrieving carts around here thinks it is.  So who exactly is it rude or inconsiderate to?  I think Chris summed it up perfectly:

Anyway, take your cart back to the corral, return it to the store, or leave it in a place where it won't roll in to a car. All are equally acceptable.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
If there is a designated place - multiple, even - in the lot to which you are hinted to return the carts, by their very nature of existing, not returning them is somewhat inconsiderate. Considering employees go out there to return them inside the store, it helps continue a cycle of efficiency. It doesn't matter if they're just left somewhere where they aren't gonna roll. I also see people in my town just take those stray ones off the lot and take them home, seriously. Hell, there's one right out in the back lot of my shop because someone rolled it back there one day. No idea whose it is, either.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 04:08:17 PM
"Increasing efficiency" is not the same as not being "rude" or "inconsiderate."  If it doesn't effect you (and it doesn't if the cart isn't left to roll into your car and if you as a customer can get a cart in the cart bin in the store), you don't get to judge whether it is rude or inconsiderate.  The people to whom it does matter do not consider it rude or inconsiderate, so your opinion is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 04:23:34 PM
But that wasn't my only argument for it being rude/inconsiderate/etc. My opinion is not irrelevant. Maybe I think employees shouldn't have to go chasing carts that aren't in the spot that is conveniently designed for patrons to use.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 04:47:28 PM
And if said employees don't care in the least and recognize that that "designated" area is for the convenience of those who don't know how to properly stow a cart so it doesn't roll, then, yeah, your opinion IS irrelevant and your self-righteousness is misplaced. 

Here's the actual case:  25 years ago, I worked as a grocery clerk.  My job was to round up the carts.  Every single one of us in that role felt that the right answer was "take your cart back to the corral, return it to the store, or leave it in a place where it won't roll into a car."  Any of those were acceptable.  None of us cared in the least whether customers put the carts into the corrals.  The corrals were there for the convenience of the customer, not us.  As long as the cart was properly put up so it wouldn't roll, all was good.  And not a single one of us complained of carts that weren't in corrals.  I know for me personally, it wouldn't have even occurred to me that it was an issue.*

So, a week or so ago, when I saw this thread, I ran it by someone I know who is a teenager working at our local Wal-Mart.  I just wanted to see if maybe either I had been missing something all this time (possible) or if times had simply changed and the expectation is different now than it was when I worked that job.  His response was, basically, confusion over why it would even be an issue.  If the cart wasn't rolling into cars and wasn't on the other side of town, he didn't care.  And he didn't know anybody who would.

So, again, if the only people being effected don't hold to your arbitrary made-up rule, forgive me if I laugh off your passing judgment on things that really aren't your business.


*The only caveat to that is, "within reason."  Namely, if you brought your cart way to the outer limits of the entire shopping center lot where it wasn't even near our store, that wasn't cool.  But, by and large, people didn't do that.   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
Man, I dunno, bosk. I see a designated place to which one should return a cart, I return it there. Simple as that. It's like parking your car in the middle of a lot instead of the parking space. Yeah, you CAN... but you're kind of a douche if you do.

And really? You're gonna take validation from a TEENAGER on not doing something??  Did you ask him if he cleans his room too? :lol :lol

EDIT: Also, I do consider it my business, because a rogue cart DOES have the potential to, indeed, damage my vehicle or someone else's. Hence why I'm so anal about people putting 'em back, and I do just that if I'm walking in and see one sitting there, just eyeing its next meal, a hint of hunger for paint gleaming in all its metal bars. If there's a possibility for it, just avoid it! Simple as.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
And really? You're gonna take validation from a TEENAGER on not doing something??

Yeah.  Since he is the only one who I could possibly be "rude" or "inconsiderate" to in this entire equation, his is really the only opinion that matters.  Who else is it rude to?  Nobody.

EDIT: Also, I do consider it my business, because a rogue cart DOES have the potential to, indeed, damage my vehicle or someone else's.

Irrelevant.  Again, I'm not talking about "rogue" carts that can roll into someone's car.  I'm talking about carts that are properly stowed so that they CAN'T roll, but aren't in the corral. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
And really? You're gonna take validation from a TEENAGER on not doing something??

Yeah.  Since he is the only one who I could possibly be "rude" or "inconsiderate" to in this entire equation, his is really the only opinion that matters.  Who else is it rude to?  Nobody.

It's just common courtesy. If your argument for not putting 'em up is simply that it isn't rude to the employee, that's ignoring the larger concern of damaged cars, which I continue to harp on because it is the biggest point of concern in this discussion with actual financial repercussions, but is being pushed aside for discussing the feelings of the employee. Regardless of how often (or not) you think it happens, it does happen a lot, and if nothing else, THAT should be the impetus for just about everyone to put 'em back, just out of common courtesy.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 21, 2017, 04:59:05 PM
Every single one of us in that role felt that the right answer was "take your cart back to the corral, return it to the store, or leave it in a place where it won't roll into a car."  Any of those were acceptable.

I don't think people are necessary talking about people who actually take care with the cart, bosky. It's the cart that is just sitting loose and fancy free that can be a danger to cars. I get that you probably live in a place where it's no big deal, but I live in Utah where the wind howls (Nevada blows and Wyoming sucks, so...) and the inconsiderate breed at a frightening pace--It's not uncommon to see a cart rolling by itself.

I also suspect that the level to which this "problem" bothers one can be correlated with the love they have for their car and/or the amount they paid for it.  :biggrin:

[edit] I take it back, Kattelox is talking specifically of corrals. My mistake [/edit]
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 05:01:16 PM
Quote from: bosk1
EDIT: Also, I do consider it my business, because a rogue cart DOES have the potential to, indeed, damage my vehicle or someone else's.

Irrelevant.  Again, I'm not talking about "rogue" carts that can roll into someone's car.  I'm talking about carts that are properly stowed so that they CAN'T roll, but aren't in the corral.

If one can expend the energy to place it somewhere that it doesn't roll... why not just put it back in the corral, where it not only won't roll away, it'll be with all the others. The only excuse is laziness...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Man, I dunno, bosk. I see a designated place to which one should return a cart, I return it there. 

Is it Kattelox, or "Cattle"ox?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: bosk1
EDIT: Also, I do consider it my business, because a rogue cart DOES have the potential to, indeed, damage my vehicle or someone else's.

Irrelevant.  Again, I'm not talking about "rogue" carts that can roll into someone's car.  I'm talking about carts that are properly stowed so that they CAN'T roll, but aren't in the corral.

If one can expend the energy to place it somewhere that it doesn't roll... why not just put it back in the corral, where it not only won't roll away, it'll be with all the others. The only excuse is laziness...

I can't tell you about "excuses," because that implies that one is looking to get out of conduct that is expected.  And as I mentioned, there is no such expectation here.  But I can tell you that, for many, the reason has nothing to do with laziness.  But again, nice job on passing judgment on people whose intentions you obviously know nothing about.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 21, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Man, I dunno, bosk. I see a designated place to which one should return a cart, I return it there. 

Is it Kattelox, or "Cattle"ox?

Oooh, TAC, you're such a rebel! *tigger growl*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
bosk, why are you getting so personal? Of course I'm passing a LITTLE judgment, generally: it is an incredibly easy thing to do, and you clearly have only made me believe more in my reasons for thinking what I do, instead of making me see it your way. But I'm not personally digging at anyone in particular, it literally just strikes me as lazy behavior. You don't need to be condescending with your 'nice job passing judgment on things that have nothing to do with you' statements. Make me see your point instead of being snarky, because that certainly isn't going to help your argument. I'm not getting snarky with you.

EDIT: I made this thread so there would be an interesting back and forth. There are no personal attacks going here and there's no need for the conversation to turn sour.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 05:08:02 PM
Man, I dunno, bosk. I see a designated place to which one should return a cart, I return it there. 

Is it Kattelox, or "Cattle"ox?

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2017, 05:08:14 PM
Oooh, TAC, you're such a rebel! *tigger growl*


Yup..Total Badass.

I don't return my carriage! Living on the edge!!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
bosk, why are you getting so personal?

I'm not.  Take a step back and take another look at your posts.  YOU are the one namecalling at those you misunderstand.  Which is why I responded in the first place.  I am amused at this topic whenever it resurfaces, because I know there are some in other places where the custom is different than here who (1) don't understand that the custom is different in other places, and (2) can't fathom that any opinion than theirs is acceptable.  So, to answer what I think you are really asking, my purpose in posting is to try to get you to see that.  As for me, I don't take it personally, because the debate really doesn't effect me. 

EDIT: I made this thread so there would be an interesting back and forth. There are no personal attacks going here and there's no need for the conversation to turn sour.

I don't think it has turned sour, other than you calling names when you disagree. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 05:18:13 PM
Sigh. All right then. Enjoy the thread, I'm out. Not gonna argue with you over this...

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not sure where I was namecalling anyone. My posts that I made here this evening were written with an intended sense of humor, apparently that didn't get across. So, sorry for that, but no, I haven't "namecalled" anyone, and I would apologize if I had!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2017, 05:33:57 PM
Well, saying someone MUST be "lazy," "rude," "inconsiderate," "disrespectful," etc. IS namecalling.  My point is simply to try to get you to see another point of view and not make assumptions.  To back up and re-cap, there are two potential groups of people who could be impacted: (1) the clerks who have to round up the carts; and (2) customers whose cars may be damaged if the carts roll.  I'm not talking about leaving carts where they are likely to roll, so let's take #2 off the table.  We are largely in agreement there.  (other than the fact that, for reasons I still have not figured out, you seem to think that not putting a cart in the corral equates to leaving it rolling around the lot, but maybe parking lots are different where you live)  And as to #1, it really just depends.  Within reason, the clerks not only don't care, but they don't EXPECT everyone to put the carts in the corrals.  They just don't, and they aren't bothered in the least when carts aren't there.  In the average Costco lot out here, for example, you will probably find about 50% of carts in the corrals and 50% propped on the planters so they don't roll.  That is what is expected, and nobody cares.  So, since precisely nobody is offended, it's a bit silly to pass judgment on that situation, isn't it?

Now, that said, if it's different where you live, and the CUSTOM is to put them in the corrals, such that the clerks ARE bothered when they aren't there, then cool.  When in your backyard, that is the custom that should be followed.  And it would be equally out of place for someone from out here to start namecalling people that think that way, wouldn't it?

Here's an analogy for you.  Let's say you are raised in a "proper" American or British household where you are taught from birth that you don't slurp your food.  Ever.  That's all well and good.  But if you get on a soapbox about how anyone who ever slurps their food MUST be uncouth, rude, savages who shouldn't be afforded a place in civilized society, you best make sure none of your audience are east Asian.  Because, not only will your cultural assumptions not apply in their eyes, but they will be outright insulting.  Best not to pass judgment when you aren't the one being impacted by the given behavior, no?


Oh, and for the record, the corrals are a great idea.  The vast majority of the time, I use them.  Just so you know.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 21, 2017, 05:40:19 PM
Bosk, we'll agree to disagree, I hope. I actually strongly disagree with your first sentence, too, but that gets into semantics territory and isn't fit for this thread. So, I've said my piece, I'm done, there you have it. If I owned that business and saw 50% of the carts in the corrals and 50% out there, I'd think, hmm, how can we clean this up and not make this look like a video game level? :) That's rhetorical, please don't take that as a rebuttal, I'm done here.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on November 22, 2017, 07:25:49 AM
Gotta call bullshit here.  I have never seen a place, other than a corral, where a cart is truly "secured" from causing damage to other vehicles.  I'm not sure what kind of parking lots you all have, but putting something on free rolling wheels any where else that the corral is indeed taking a chance it will move.  In between the concrete stops at the front of the care is not even close to secure.  Neither is one set of wheels on the curb as one end of the cart sticks out and can damage cars.  Please tell me where this magical "secure" area is in the parking lot other than a corral?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: orcus116 on November 22, 2017, 07:33:25 AM
What about the human centipede cart chain they usually have in front of the store?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 22, 2017, 07:48:46 AM
Here is a link to a relevant article at Scientific American website.  :)

Why Don't People Return Their Shopping Carts? (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/why-dont-people-return-their-shopping-carts/)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kaos2900 on November 22, 2017, 07:52:14 AM
In my opinion if you're physically able and choose not to walk a cart to the corral you're a lazy asshole.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 22, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
In my opinion if you're physically able and choose not to walk a cart to the corral you're a lazy asshole.

*gasp* Careful, you'll end up on notice like me :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 22, 2017, 08:29:53 AM
:lol  Not sure what "on notice" means.  But Kaos' post was clearly over the line, and a warning has been issued.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 22, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
You know. On notice.

(https://oi68.tinypic.com/2iih5lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kaos2900 on November 22, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
You know. On notice.

(https://oi68.tinypic.com/2iih5lg.jpg)

I just wanted to clarify that my comment was not pointed at anyone here specifically. I apologize for the harsh language.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 22, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
This thread is turning into a Sons of Anarchy Apollo thread.

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Implode on November 22, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
Because shopping carts and their placement in corrals is a deeply personal subject for many people.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 22, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
So more importantly, what's the point of Colbert's board (though I have to say, the personalization is a VERY nice touch).   But why is Batfleck on notice?   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 22, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
So more importantly, what's the point of Colbert's board (though I have to say, the personalization is a VERY nice touch).   But why is Batfleck on notice?

Watch this. https://www.cc.com/video-clips/tc2zff/the-colbert-report-on-notice---how-the-on-notice-board-is-made

Basically it's just Colbert putting things on notice if they do something that offends him. It's just a silly thing.

Batfleck is on notice for using machine guns instead of his batfists.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 22, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
It's rude, inconsiderate and down right disrespectful.

No it isn't.

 :lol Opinions vary.  You have yours and I have mine.  Coming in here and dropping absolutes certainly isn't a good show by example.


Well, saying someone MUST be "lazy," "rude," "inconsiderate," "disrespectful," etc. IS namecalling.

Oh, do you mean the same as, or opposed to passing judgment on someone you don't even know by calling them a "rude prick" because they said something you disagreed with?  The words above are not name calling.  They are descriptors for certain behaviors, actions or lack thereof.  Name calling is just the use of highly uncalled for and derogatory slang towards another person.  There's a difference.


Best not to pass judgment when you aren't the one being impacted by the given behavior, no?

So, it's ok to pass judgement if we are impacted by the given behaviors?  Is that why you're passing judgement on other's opinions because they're impacting you somehow?  This is a thread about shopping carts and those who may or may not feel entitled to leave their empties wherever they damn well please without thought or consideration for others.  This isn't a court of law.


If it doesn't effect you (and it doesn't if the cart isn't left to roll into your car and if you as a customer can get a cart in the cart bin in the store), you don't get to judge whether it is rude or inconsiderate.  The people to whom it does matter do not consider it rude or inconsiderate, so your opinion is irrelevant.

I believe the word you're looking for is "affect" and that's what we are talking about.  We are all "affected" by people who are unaware of their surroundings and don't do their part simply because they are too busy and just don't care.  Shopping cart corrals are there for a reason.  Employees roaming through the parking lot collecting stray carts is a safety hazard.  It's time consuming.  It presents certain liabilities to the company.  Carts that are placed so they don't roll is irrelevant to the thread.  They are not where they belong.  Period.  So the cart doesn't roll, but it's right in the middle of a parking spot.  Tell me who that doesn't "affect".  Your argument of "but if the cart doesn't roll" is not the point of this thread.

In closing, I think it's very disturbing that a forum administrator condescends to others and calls their opinions irrelevant.  It's at least relevant to them in some way that may not be entirely apparent to you.  If people are judgemental, who are you to judge them?  You're supposed to be a leader by example here, are you not?  I'm thinking it might behoove you to take a step back and look at your own posts.  After all, none of us are perfect.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 22, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
I get off work in 5 minutes and am gonna raise a beer to that post when I get home, Dublagent66.  :tup
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 22, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
In closing, I think it's very disturbing that a forum administrator condescends to others and calls their opinions irrelevant. . . .  I'm thinking it might behoove you to take a step back and look at your own posts.

Thanks for the suggestion.  If you don't care for my posts, you know where the door is, right?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2017, 06:55:38 PM
You know what is funny is how strongly people feel about this issue. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Personally I feel that "common decency" seems so lost on today's society. I work with the public, so I see it.

I just never would've put returning shopping carts under the "common decency' umbrella. But I can understand how people may. But I am shocked at the loathe that not doing so brings about.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 22, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
^Pretty much that.  :lol   But I think it's really just yet another example of the "I'm right, so I'm not willing to consider that other points of view might exist" judgmental mentality that is all too prevalent.  Kind of ironic that so many folks get so indignant about their own subjective view of "common decency" that they forget to extend common decency to those who may have a different perspective.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ronnibran on November 22, 2017, 07:28:29 PM
I think it's moreso just annoying if you are someone who returns carts to know that others (who are able) do not.  For me, I always do and will, it's just common sense.  So it does bother me (and maybe it shouldn't) that other people leave it in the middle of a parking spot in a busy parking lot creating an inconvenience to others to save themselves 10 seconds.  Obviously I think it's completely different if someone puts it up on the curb where it can't move and doesn't hog up a parking spot. I know that there are workers there to move carts.

I've even seen people leave their cart and while sitting in their vehicle doing nothing I'll walk over to their abandoned cart and let them watch me bring it to the corral for them 10 feet away.  I'm not angry with them, but I do like the fact that they are watching someone else do something that they could do themselves (and yes, I do realize that they do NOT care, but I still get a little satisfaction out of it somehow).
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
Kind of ironic that so many folks get so indignant about their own subjective view of "common decency" that they forget to extend common decency to those who may have a different perspective.

Yeah, that's funny.

(which is the best I could come up with after spending 10 minutes.Google Imagining Alanis Morrisette ironic memes.)


 

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Orbert on November 25, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
You thought this thread was dead?  Well, think again!

I held off on posting in this thread because everything I could possibly think of, on either side of the argument, had already been said.  People were pushing their opinions back and forth, and nobody was changing their minds, so it was purely for entertainment value.

Then it happened.

I stopped by the grocery store the other night, saw a great, open parking space in the front row as I was coming around the corner, and as I finished coming round, I saw that the space was not empty, but instead there were two shopping carts sitting in that space.  Since it was right on the end of the row, both carts had their front wheels up on the curb.  There was no danger of the carts rolling anywhere.  But a primo parking space was sitting empty, unusuable.  I ended up maybe six or seven spots down the row.  Not a huge deal, but an unnecessary inconvenience.  I thought of this thread.

On the way out, I had to hit the brakes as a rogue shopping cart went rolling in front of me.  I looked to either side, and there was nobody around.  This cart was just off on a joy-ride, apparently.  Had I arrived at that juncture two seconds earlier, it would have hit my car, probably causing at least a little damage.  I thought of this thread.

I was inconvenienced twice within 20 minutes by people who did not properly take care of their shopping carts.  Two actually took the time to secure them, but in a place that rendered a primo parking space unusable.  They earn zero points for that.  Another clearly just left it where it could and very nearly did cause property damage.  They suck monkey balls, but don't realize it.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 25, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
People that don't return carts to a reasonably close corral are inconsiderate at best for reasons stated multiple times in this thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 25, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Oh, jeeze, Orbert. Glad you were able to avoid that one.

Round 2 has officially begun, folks.  Or 3. 4? :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
I was inconvenienced twice within 20 minutes by people who did not properly take care of their shopping carts.  Two actually took the time to secure them, but in a place that rendered a primo parking space unusable.  They earn zero points for that.  Another clearly just left it where it could and very nearly did cause property damage.  They suck monkey balls, but don't realize it.

Removing the donkey balls long enough to say that it's the store's responsibility. OK, back in.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 25, 2017, 10:55:02 PM
So, was at my local grocery store today and saw this situation...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6Wt85wKqtEYAFMTYm8eKRJ2aD83T6woCAUObOReS7HvHTKrtqqlHAqftHD4GhhPzEFoLV75S9s9I9NDRu85A=w1440-h720-rw)

My car is the black one in the foreground, with a nice spot maybe 6 places from the entry. There is a mini cart in the middle of the sidewalk. Is it a hazard? Maybe, but doubtful. A strong gust could conceivably steer it off the sidewalk and in to one of the parked cars. But those odds are slim, and even in that situation, it is traveling a short distance with little acceleration, so could it damage a car? Maybe, maybe not. I cannot say either with certainty. I wouldn't have left my cart there, but don't begrudge whomever did. I pushed it along side the string of 5 close to the wall.

There are 5 carts stacked along side the building. There is no chance of these blowing away, nor do they impede customers on the sidewalk in any way. This is a perfectly acceptable place to leave a cart because A) they are available for those entering the store via this entrance, 2) they do not present a hazard, and 3) they are neatly stacked for an employee to return them en masse to the store. When I left, I added my cart to this chain. And I will sleep perfectly well tonight.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 27, 2017, 07:58:20 AM
Can I bring this to a different level?    Maybe it is considerate, maybe it isn't.  We can go back and forth.  But why is it such an anathema to some people (NO, not people here, I mean generally) to just take themselves out of the equation, or, to phrase it differently, why do we always work to the lowest common denominator?   I'm as busy as the next guy, maybe moreso in some cases, but I don't sit there in the lot thinking "Well, fuck them and their fancy cars" or "WOW, I'm going to be an awesome, considerate person now and be a moral and social hero!"     But I take it back anyway, because at that point, there is no argument.   It MAY be overboard, but it appeases (most) everyone.  Same with the left hand lane.  Maybe I AM going 80.  Maybe you AREN'T going anywhere in front of me.  Maybe you ARE driving like an idiot.   It's not my place to be the moral crusader.   I move over, and let you deal with the issues in your life the way you want to.

I take myself out of the equation.  I think if more people took themselves out of the equation - and you can apply this to many other things as well, including politics, the rash of "abuses" that we're reading about, the NFL, and 100 other things - I tend to think the world would be, if not a better place, than at least a more calm, peaceful place.   Not everything has to be a battle, and not everything has to be a WIN at the expense of the other guy.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
Stadler, like your post, people overthink these situations.  Either you do it because you think it's the right thing to do or you don't, because the store should do it.  Morally you should, doesn't mean you do return the cart.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 08:17:17 AM
Stadler, like your post, people overthink these situations.  Either you do it because you think it's the right thing to do or you don't, because the store should do it.  Morally you should, doesn't mean you do return the cart.

Pretty much. Yes, you do not have any obligations with the cart, and legally (civilly) I think the only way you could be in any trouble is if you left a cart and it blew into someone while you were still there and it could be easily linked to you. That said, if you're physically able to put the cart back and you don't I think you're walking down a morally dubious road at best.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 27, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
No, I get your points, I meant my post much simpler than it came out.  I think I was saying that I DON'T think the choice is "It's the right thing to do" or "the store should do it".   I think I was saying that maybe "the right thing to do" has nothing to do with carts, or the store, or other drivers...

I sort of agree with you that we overcomplicate things, and maybe we should just focus on "taking ourselves out of the conversation".  It's against everything that society today says - "Twitter" and "Facebook" are the literal opposites of "taking yourself out of the conversation".   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
Nick I agree.

Stadler, It's the old Facebook issue.  If you have problems should you air them out on Facebook?  Some people emotionally have to get it out for whatever personal reasons good or bad.  Others will not burden their problems on Facebook and deal with it internally.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
Morality has nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on November 27, 2017, 10:05:50 AM
You know doesn't put the carts back? ISIS.


Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Implode on November 27, 2017, 10:06:44 AM
That's where the main disconnect is that has everyone up in arms. Pro-corral people are convinced there is a moral element to is. Pro-cart-choice people argue that morality isn't even relevant.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 27, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
I am usually pro-choice, but not here..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 27, 2017, 10:17:05 AM
Stadler pretty much nailed it. 

As far as Orbert's post, yeah, I agree that neither of those situations are cool.  For the record, neither of those situations are what I was talking about in my series of posts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on November 27, 2017, 10:25:02 AM
Stadler, like your post, people overthink these situations.  Either you do it because you think it's the right thing to do or you don't, because the store should do it.  Morally you should, doesn't mean you do return the cart.

Pretty much. Yes, you do not have any obligations with the cart, and legally (civilly) I think the only way you could be in any trouble is if you left a cart and it blew into someone while you were still there and it could be easily linked to you. That said, if you're physically able to put the cart back and you don't I think you're walking down a morally dubious road at best.

I haven't posted here, because I usually don't participate in any heated discussions on this forum, but for what it's worth, I agree with this.

Maybe we should have a poll. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 12:03:26 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.

Some people think it's morally wrong to eat animals. :P


Honestly, I wouldn't have referenced the word "morality" had I not seen it in a couple recent posts...

Morally you should, doesn't mean you do return the cart.

and
That said, if you're physically able to put the cart back and you don't I think you're walking down a morally dubious road at best.

I just can't get on board that this is a moral issue. Is it the "right thing to do"? I'm not sure. It apparently is not just a socially accepted practice, but according to this thread, it's a socially EXPECTED practice.

I'm a very polite person in real life, and I always, well usually apparently, do the right thing. I just never would've equated returning shopping carts as "doing the right thing".  And I just refuse to think I am some sort of heathen because of it.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 27, 2017, 12:31:32 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.

Honestly, I find it weird that you find it weird.  :lol  There are plenty of decisions in life that we make on a day-to-day and moment-by-moment basis that are completely amoral and do not implicate morality whatsoever.  I'm with TAC in that this is one of those. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 27, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.

Some people think it's morally wrong to eat animals. :P


Honestly, I wouldn't have referenced the word "morality" had I not seen it in a couple recent posts...

Morally you should, doesn't mean you do return the cart.

and
That said, if you're physically able to put the cart back and you don't I think you're walking down a morally dubious road at best.

I just can't get on board that this is a moral issue. Is it the "right thing to do"? I'm not sure. It apparently is not just a socially accepted practice, but according to this thread, it's a socially EXPECTED practice.

I'm a very polite person in real life, and I always, well usually apparently, do the right thing. I just never would've equated returning shopping carts as "doing the right thing".  And I just refuse to think I am some sort of heathen because of it.

But you understand my point, right?   I don't think it IS a moral issue with respect to the cart itself.  You're not morally "better" or "worse" for bringing the cart back.  I think that analyzing our behavior in the light of dubious things like "carts" and "left hand passing lanes" is where we run afoul.   I think it IS a moral issue whether you decide to minimize your impact on others.    I get King's point about people needing to vent on Facebook, and I don't begrudge them (even if I don't see life that way) but I DO see a difference with just "throwing it out there" neutrally and "impacting others".   

I strongly feel I have a moral obligation to put myself in the position where others get to CHOOSE the degree to which I impact their life, as opposed to asserting my will on them unilaterally.   And, it should go without saying, vice versa.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 12:45:52 PM

But you understand my point, right?   

Not sure.  :lol

   I think it IS a moral issue whether you decide to minimize your impact on others.   

Yeah, I agree. And I try to live my life that way each day. I always try to be cool, and generally feel that I am. (I know how that must sound. :lol)

I just never thought what I do with my shopping cart could even factor into it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
Tim, in this day and age the store should take care of the carts.....but they mishandle it.  I believe, since I have way to many scuffs on my car as one example that we all morally should move the carts to the corral.  It's obvious food shopping all the time that stores do not allocate enough resources to maintaining the parking lot.

We as customers know this and to help another person from having these dents and scratch marks on our cars, we need to put the carts in the corrals.  It's the "moral" thing to do.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on November 27, 2017, 02:22:02 PM
As I tried to communicate earlier in this thread: the reason stores don't have the resources to police carts is because we as consumers have communicated that it is not a priority for us. We've done it to ourselves by voting with our money for whoever has the lowest price. It's just the reality of our times. The situation is neither good or bad.

I choose to look at it this way--because I care about my car, other people's cars, the available spaces (see Orbert's post), and helping my store keep costs down, I'll put my cart away...and usually another one or two besides.

I agree it's pretty silly to shame people who don't do likewise...unless they don't secure them from rolling. Then all bets are off  >:(
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.

Honestly, I find it weird that you find it weird.  :lol  There are plenty of decisions in life that we make on a day-to-day and moment-by-moment basis that are completely amoral and do not implicate morality whatsoever.  I'm with TAC in that this is one of those. 

I don't see how that can be. By making the decision to leave the cart you are in most cases deciding to either take away a good parking space and/or increase the chance that another person will have their property damaged. It's a little thing but it is absolutely a moral decision. It's of a magnitude that we make, often in the wrong direction, all the time, but to excuse it as amoral just because we don't want to accept our bad behavior is a bad precedent, I think.

I'll give an example. We just hosted our first Thanksgiving on Saturday, complete with making our first turkey. When carving the bird I got more than enough meat on a less than stellar start to my carve job. I knew that given more time and effort I could get more meat from the bird and decided I didn't want to bother with it and chose to waste the rest of the meat. Not something worth spending any time on or worrying about on a small individual basis, but it was an absolutely moral decision I was in the wrong on.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 27, 2017, 04:49:20 PM
Yeah, you have an odd definition of "morality" then.  That's about all I can say about that.

But as to the issue in this thread, again, IF THE CART IS PUT IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOESN'T TAKE UP A PARKING SPACE AND DOESN'T ROLL INTO CARS, I still can't see it as a "moral" issue even under your definition of "moral."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
Yeah, you have an odd definition of "morality" then.  That's about all I can say about that.

But as to the issue in this thread, again, IF THE CART IS PUT IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOESN'T TAKE UP A PARKING SPACE AND DOES ROLL INTO CARS, I still can't see it as a "moral" issue even under your definition of "moral."

Googled it: "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior."

This basically is that exact definition. And I agree with you, if you have managed to put the cart in a place and a way where it doesn't adversely effect other people then I do not find it to be a poor moral choice.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on November 27, 2017, 05:20:24 PM
Then let me rephrase and say you have an odd way of applying that definition, because I do not see how the scenarios you gave apply to the words in that definition.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
Me me when a car is out in the open where it's safe and doesn't have a chance to roll into a car?

When does intellect overrule decency? People need to actually act decent and stop overthinking.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on November 27, 2017, 05:36:30 PM
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Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 05:42:16 PM
 :lol


Feeling guilty is a strong emotion you sinners. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheSilentHam on November 27, 2017, 05:51:36 PM
I have a friend who considers it morally wrong to return carts.  His reasoning:  We have let companies eliminate service industry jobs by implementing things like shopping cart returns, just to theoretically save ourselves a few pennies on our grocery bills.  For the same reason, this friend leaves his trash at the seat in the movie theater.  I know this guy well enough to know he is not just lazy, and he is sincere about why he does these things.  Just saying - I don't think it's as black and white a moral issue as some have made it out to be.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 05:53:40 PM
I have a friend who considers it morally wrong to return carts.  His reasoning:  We have let companies eliminate service industry jobs by implementing things like shopping cart returns, just to theoretically save ourselves a few pennies on our grocery bills.  For the same reason, this friend leaves his trash at the seat in the movie theater.  I know this guy well enough to know he is not just lazy, and he is sincere about why he does these things.  Just saying - I don't think it's as black and white a moral issues as some have made it out to be.

That's an interesting perspective. I've been known to leave my popcorn container under the seat at a movie or at a game.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2017, 06:14:38 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Harmony on November 27, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
Because shopping carts and their placement in corrals is a deeply personal subject for many people.

Who knew?   :|
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 07:50:28 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?

Apply in what way? I'm not giving myself lashes or anything, but I accept that I made a poor choice as opposed to denying there was good or bad in the choice.

I have a friend who considers it morally wrong to return carts.  His reasoning:  We have let companies eliminate service industry jobs by implementing things like shopping cart returns, just to theoretically save ourselves a few pennies on our grocery bills.  For the same reason, this friend leaves his trash at the seat in the movie theater.  I know this guy well enough to know he is not just lazy, and he is sincere about why he does these things.  Just saying - I don't think it's as black and white a moral issues as some have made it out to be.

That's an interesting perspective. I've been known to leave my popcorn container under the seat at a movie or at a game.

It is an interesting perspective, but outside of the person in the story I would say overwhelmingly that decision is made out of laziness rather than a deeply help belief. In either case it's different than what we're discussing because movie theaters have a schedule that changes things. You see movie, you leave, they clean, then they let a new group in. With the carts there is no way of knowing if/when your cart will be picked up.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
But the stores have people assigned to clear the lot.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 07:58:58 PM
But the stores have people assigned to clear the lot.

Tim how many times has the lot been mismanaged? I'll answer that for you a ton.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2017, 08:01:31 PM
But the stores have people assigned to clear the lot.

Tim how many times has the lot been mismanaged? 

Not by me! 


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on November 27, 2017, 08:02:23 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?

Regardless if he does or not, I was going to say, I will bet most people don't think of returning a cart as a moral situation because most don't think twice about it.  They either leave it or return it and don't think much more of it, their actions, the consequences of such a small thing, and move on with life.  Therefore, I wouldn't really say someone who is doing it, is acting immoral or not.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 27, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
 Tim I know you know I worked in the grocery field for 7 years. It drives me insane to see simple things like eggs put with cans, carriages not taking care of. But that happens all the time.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2017, 08:52:26 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?

Apply in what way? I'm not giving myself lashes or anything, but I accept that I made a poor choice as opposed to denying there was good or bad in the choice.

Apply in the way that it even occurred to you. How many times a day do we make such inconsequential decisions and not even have it register? And I doubt 99 out of a 100 would even qualify it as a "bad choice."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 10:25:00 PM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?

Apply in what way? I'm not giving myself lashes or anything, but I accept that I made a poor choice as opposed to denying there was good or bad in the choice.

Apply in the way that it even occurred to you. How many times a day do we make such inconsequential decisions and not even have it register? And I doubt 99 out of a 100 would even qualify it as a "bad choice."

I get what you're saying, but whether conscious or not the choice is there, as are the consequences. A bunch of tiny mistakes can amount to something when taken as a whole. True, one cart left in a poor spot likely isn't going to cause any damage. But some are, and taken on the whole for a year I'm guessing stray carts end up costing people millions of dollars. Keep in mind 1,000,000 is only 4,000 $250 incidents. And $250 is being generous on what a significant ding with paint removal can actually end up costing.

And I think, given that less than 100 people have probably participated here, and that several have already basically said it's a bad choice, you're 99 out of 100 is likely way off. Though the sample size is small, of course.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2017, 10:54:04 PM
Nick, I am sorry we are sending mixed messages. I was hung up on your turkey story  :laugh:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2017, 11:01:48 PM
Nick, I am sorry we are sending mixed messages. I was hung up on your turkey story  :laugh:

No problem, when arguments get heated it's easy to run afowl.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 27, 2017, 11:03:05 PM
That... was not necessary.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Orbert on November 28, 2017, 07:48:54 AM
People have brought up the "M" word: morality.

To me, it's pretty simple.  If what you're doing doesn't hurt anyone, it's fine.  If someone is hurt by your actions, it is wrong.  Obviously there's lots of grey area, and definitions can slide, but that's the basic idea.  "Hurt" can mean "cost someone money" or "inconvenienced someone".  In my first example, where carts were left in a perfectly good parking space, rendering it unusable, that inconveniences other people, who then have to park further away.  It's not a huge inconvenience, and most people could probably use the exercise, but that's not the point.  I would argue that leaving your carts in a space like that is objectively wrong because it inconveniences others.  If you do that, on purpose, you're an asshole.

Carts left out in the middle of the lot someplace where they might roll and damage cars is a grey area.  They might cause an issue, but have not actually done so.  If they're not hurting anything, no problem, right?  It's not a problem until one of them cuts loose and actually does ding someone's car, and one could argue that creating the situation where it might happen is therefore a bad choice.  But I have no rule against people making bad choices as long as no one's hurt.  But the one that nearly hit me and made me slam on my brakes was, until that moment, "innocent".  Then it inconvenienced me, making it (and the person who left it) "guilty" in my eyes.

Also, if there are so many stray carts in the lot that I have to weave in and out of them to get to a spot, now I'm being inconvenienced, and that's a problem.  TAC would say that that's the store's responsibility, and he's absolutely right.  The problem is that people know damned well that the store cannot possibly get to every stray cart as soon as it is abandoned.  They are therefore knowingly creating a hazard.  Is knowingly creating a situation in which people could be hurt or inconvenienced wrong, or is it only wrong if people actually are hurt or inconvenienced?  That's the grey area.  If it's up to me, I avoid such situations.  Leaving that pan of lasagna hanging over the edge of the counter isn't hurting anyone either, but if someone bumps it and the whole thing hits the floor, I don't blame the person who bumped it, I blame the idiot who left it where it was a potential hazard.

Hmmm... I think I just cleared up some of the grey area, for me anyway.  Don't cause problems for other people, and don't even cause potential problems for other people?  For some, that's going too far, because the act of avoiding every situation will itself inconvenience the person making the choice.  "Why should I always have to ______ just because somebody might _______?"  I don't know, common courtesy maybe?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
Orbert, I'm completely with you on your post. I agree with pretty much all of it. I just never linked returning my shopping cart to common courtesy.

And just so I'm clear, when I say it's the store's responsibility, I do not mean it in a sense of (cue ignoramus voice) "It's not MY responsibility. Fuck 'em."

It's just that when I grew up, after loading your car, you simply left the carriage near where you parked and some kid would come by soon enough to grab it. Like I said, I'm pretty conscious of me being rude but I just never would've equated not returning my cart as an act of rudeness.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 28, 2017, 08:17:36 AM
What worked before isn't always the way it should be now.  Tim you as a manager should know that to get better is to evolve.  In life, at work, as a human being.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2017, 08:19:19 AM
  In life, at work, as a human being.

Oh, I'm working on it. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2017, 08:20:57 AM
  Tim you as a manager should know that to get better is to evolve.   

As a manager, if I can get my customers to guilt each other into stocking the shelves too, I'll be very happy.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on November 28, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
Good post Orbert. I didn't think about carts being littered all over the parking lot. Yes, that is annoying and inconsiderate, but I won't qualify someone  who does that as an asshole. I honestly rarely see that, as when I think of a stray cart I think of it being on and around the sidewalks and entryways of my store. 

It's just that when I grew up, after loading your car, you simply left the carriage near where you parked and some kid would come by soon enough to grab it.

By "car" did you mean "Horse and Buggy?"
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 28, 2017, 08:22:09 AM
Now I was told that calling people an asshole for this was wrong... :)

Great post Orbert.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on November 28, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
Nick, how was it a "moral decision I was in the wrong on"? You said you got enough meat for all your guests. Are you considering it morally wrong that you possibly wasted food?

Exactly, would have been the difference between 2 days of leftovers or 3.

Do you really apply a personal moral code to such minutiae in life?

Regardless if he does or not, I was going to say, I will bet most people don't think of returning a cart as a moral situation because most don't think twice about it.  They either leave it or return it and don't think much more of it, their actions, the consequences of such a small thing, and move on with life.  Therefore, I wouldn't really say someone who is doing it, is acting immoral or not.

This is also to Nick and Chris, because it applies to their conversation as well.    This is kind of my point; it's mislabeling it to think of it as just a "cart thing".  It's a concept called "Framing".   if you look at it like "take cart/leave cart" it's really hard to get to the "moral question" thing.   But if you look at your actions - any of them, all of them - as "affecting other people", you DO have a moral choice to impact others or not.   And if you don't think that's a moral choice, reverse it.  Think of all the ways that OTHERS can impact you if they so chose.  We have laws for some things - I can't kill you if you're slow in the McDonald's line; I can't park my car in your front lawn without your permission because it's a shorter walk to wherever I'm going - but the law isn't about "morals"; it's the lowest common denominator.     

And it's not as if you have to spend every minute of every day wondering and worrying about how you affect others; much of this is a "one time decision" and you spend the rest of your days implementing it.    But in my view, it IS a moral question.   

Here's another example:  because of circumstances, I have occasion to drive my son's and daughters' cars.   If the gas tank is less than say, 2/3, I fill it.   I just do.  I'm blessed to have the means to do so, and so I do.   Is filling gas "moral"?  Of course not.   But it is part of a bigger picture; it's one less thing that is in their life, better or worse.  MORALLY, I feel an obligation to leave other people's lives better - lighter, lesser, richer, happier, easier - than it was before.   And think about it:  you ALL know people that are the opposite:  every interaction results in SOME burden for you. 

This isn't that far from Orbert's post, I don't think, except I err on the side of "help" rather than "neutral".
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2017, 08:24:56 AM


Here's another example:  because of circumstances, I have occasion to drive my son's and daughters' cars.   If the gas tank is less than say, 2/3, I fill it.   

I do the same when I have my wife's car.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on November 28, 2017, 08:25:35 AM
  Tim you as a manager should know that to get better is to evolve.   

As a manager, if I can get my customers to guilt each other into stocking the shelves too, I'll be very happy.

Listen, I agree with you but a high % of these store are failing at this and I've had multiple damages and scratches because of this.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Orbert on November 28, 2017, 12:55:53 PM
Now I was told that calling people an asshole for this was wrong... :)

Great post Orbert.

Thanks.

And it's funny, I thought about using the word "asshole" specifically because of the chastising you got for using it.  It's a tough call, but if I may, I think I might have built a better case up to it than you did.  I tried to go in objective steps how one person's actions directly, negatively affected others, and I think most people would agree that if you do that on purpose, you're an asshole.  I've done it myself.  We all have; we've all earned the label at one time or another.

I think the difference is that your use of the "asshole" label came across more like these are people who just don't agree with you.  If you build a case to it, you've earned the right to slap the label on someone.  But just calling anyone who disagrees with you an asshole is name-calling.  Not that that's exactly what happened in your case, but that appears to be the axiom being invoked here.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on November 28, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
Can't disagree with any of that, and I think you're right, you absolutely laid out a better case than I did. I was shooting from the hip, you actually thought before posting.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on December 02, 2017, 07:24:37 AM
Went to the grocery store last night. Saw 2 rogue carts in the lot. One was planted against the front bumper of a car. Get this: the corral was literally 2 spots away, dead ahead and one spot to the right of said car.

This war isn't over.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 02, 2017, 08:27:32 AM
Went to the grocery store last night. Saw 2 rogue carts in the lot. One was planted against the front bumper of a car. Get this: the corral was literally 2 spots away, dead ahead and one spot to the right of said car.

This war isn't over.  :lol

The laziness and lack of respect for other people's property is astonishing.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: DT2003 on December 02, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
I always put the cart back in the corral whenever I shop. More times than not I am just picking up a few things so Iíll just grab a basket and go to self checkout. When I do that I will always return the basket to the holders by the store entrance.

Years back I was coming out of BJs and Iím walking up to my car (which I had just purchased less than a month earlier) and there was a cart up against my car. BJs carts are slightly bigger than regular grocery store carts and when I got up to my car and pulled the cart out I had a deep dent going up and down on my door at leaat 18 inches long. From the damage there was no way that someone just pushed the cart into my car so I can only assume it was pushed into my car by another car. The dent was so bad that when I got it fixed the place I went to didnít believe that it was caused by a shopping cart. That is one of the main reasons why I will always return my cart. I also just think itís lazy not to return them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
By the way, I was at our local Costco last night after work to pick up a couple of items.  As I pulled into my parking spot, there were carts neatly propped in "the 4 corners" of each spot (i.e., so they were out of the way and wouldn't roll into other cars), as there usually are.  When I came out, I pulled my cart over to my car and unloaded.  Because "the 4 corners" by my spot were already occupied, I started walking my cart to the corral, which was actually a bit of a ways off from the store.  On the way there, the kindly Costco employee whose job it was to retrieve carts yelled out to me from a couple of rows over and asked me what I was doing, and why I would make his job harder by taking my cart out to the corral way out in BFE instead of leaving it at the 4 corners like a "normal" person.  So, take that, shopping cart corral Nazis!   :P
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
That kid needs to shut his pie hole and get carts in every corral.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 25, 2018, 03:50:24 PM
By the way, I was at our local Costco last night after work to pick up a couple of items.  As I pulled into my parking spot, there were carts neatly propped in "the 4 corners" of each spot (i.e., so they were out of the way and wouldn't roll into other cars), as there usually are.  When I came out, I pulled my cart over to my car and unloaded.  Because "the 4 corners" by my spot were already occupied, I started walking my cart to the corral, which was actually a bit of a ways off from the store.  On the way there, the kindly Costco employee whose job it was to retrieve carts yelled out to me from a couple of rows over and asked me what I was doing, and why I would make his job harder by taking my cart out to the corral way out in BFE instead of leaving it at the 4 corners like a "normal" person.  So, take that, shopping cart corral Nazis!   :P

The corrals are already constructed, that's what they're for! If it's making his job harder he's not doing his job correctly/people need to put them back in the corrals in the first place!

(https://oi68.tinypic.com/scuipk.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on April 25, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
I don't understand these "4 corners." And who the heck goes to Costco for "a couple of items?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyNh8BNEXrs (not sure who Bryan is...)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 25, 2018, 03:53:58 PM
Yeah, I don't get the 4 corners either. My brain doesn't function without visuals.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2018, 03:57:48 PM
Morality has nothing to do with this.

Out of curiosity, don't you find it weird you need to write that sentence? Unless the choice comes down to wanting beef or chicken in your stir fry morality plays a part in just about everything.
My mom is a partial vegetarian, who will eat fish or chicken but no mammals because she considers their treatment inhumane. Nickfail. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 04:36:40 PM
If it's making his job harder he's not doing his job correctly/people need to put them back in the corrals in the first place!

I have asked this before, but have never gotten an answer:  Why do you keep saying "back?"  There is no "back" since they don't start there in the first place. 

Anyhow, yeah, I just come back to, if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.


Yeah, I don't get the 4 corners either. My brain doesn't function without visuals.

You have a row of parking spaces facing one direction.  As you pull into a space, there is another row facing you from directly across.  So the lines look something like:

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Every space (except the end ones) has a corner that is common to the four adjacent parking spaces--hence, "four corners."  As in:  the place where most civilized people leave their shopping carts after loading their cars.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
Civilized people do not leave carts in parking spaces.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
What you're saying is just leaving your cart where 'x-marks-the-spot'? ie, the intersecting x of four parking spaces?  Like this?

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/abandoned-shopping-cart-at-parking-lot-picture-id647381621)

If so, doesn't that impede on everyone's ability to use the parking space what it's use for - PARKING VEHICLES!?!?

To your first point Bosk, what ARE the corrals used for?  Enlighten me please.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on April 25, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tdgRwk7.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 25, 2018, 05:04:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tdgRwk7.jpg)

That's a very creative outlet to get back at someone if they pissed you off.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 05:06:42 PM
What you're saying is just leaving your cart where 'x-marks-the-spot'? ie, the intersecting x of four parking spaces?  Like this?

Can't see the pic, but based on the way you are describing it, yes.

If so, doesn't that impede on everyone's ability to use the parking space what it's use for - PARKING VEHICLES!?!?

Um...no.  At least, not unless you park on the X rather than in between the lines like a normal person.  :lol  As I said a few posts above, when I went to Costco the other day, both of the corners on my parking space had carts (one had two carts, in fact).  I was able to park there without any problem.  So, no, I don't see how that follows.

To your first point Bosk, what ARE the corrals used for?  Enlighten me please.

???  I thought we already established that they are for shopping carts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 25, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
Shopping carts are available inside or just outside the store. The corrals are for the used shopping carts to be stored so the courtesy clerk can collect them and return them to the store.  Source: Zookipedia
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jammindude on April 25, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
What monster doesn't put the carts in the corral?    They put those things there JUST so you don't have to take it back to the store, and yet that's *still* not enough convenience?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2018, 07:04:22 PM
Customer: I can't be bothered to put a cart in the corral.

Employee: Hey! Don't put it in the corral.  Its more work for Me!

Me: Am I losing my mind?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 07:37:48 PM
???  I thought we already established that they are for shopping carts.

Guess I misunderstood your comment:

if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on April 25, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
  if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
???  I thought we already established that they are for shopping carts.

Guess I misunderstood your comment:

if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

Oh, I see.  Difference between "can" and "must."  Carts can be put in the corrals.  A lot of times, that's a good option.  Must they always be put there?  No.

Kind of like:  When I go to a restaurant, can I order using the menu?  Sure.  Must I?  No.  If I already know what I want, I can politely tell my server that I don't need the menu he or she is handing me, and just place my order.

In both cases, I am choosing whether or not to use the item that has been provided for my convenience and expedience.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
Fair enough.  I thought that might've been how you meant it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 25, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
By the way, I was at our local Costco last night after work to pick up a couple of items.  As I pulled into my parking spot, there were carts neatly propped in "the 4 corners" of each spot (i.e., so they were out of the way and wouldn't roll into other cars), as there usually are.  When I came out, I pulled my cart over to my car and unloaded.  Because "the 4 corners" by my spot were already occupied, I started walking my cart to the corral, which was actually a bit of a ways off from the store.  On the way there, the kindly Costco employee whose job it was to retrieve carts yelled out to me from a couple of rows over and asked me what I was doing, and why I would make his job harder by taking my cart out to the corral way out in BFE instead of leaving it at the 4 corners like a "normal" person.  So, take that, shopping cart corral Nazis!   :P

Like their job is hard. Hell they have machines that push the carts for them now. The corrals also make it easier just push machine gather carts corral, job done.

Leaving them in the 4 corners would make it harder I would think.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2018, 08:55:06 PM
I worked at a grocery store for 8 years.

I not once cried "shagging" carriages.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on April 25, 2018, 08:55:56 PM
???  I thought we already established that they are for shopping carts.

Guess I misunderstood your comment:

if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

Oh, I see.  Difference between "can" and "must."  Carts can be put in the corrals.  A lot of times, that's a good option.  Must they always be put there?  No.

Kind of like:  When I go to a restaurant, can I order using the menu?  Sure.  Must I?  No.  If I already know what I want, I can politely tell my server that I don't need the menu he or she is handing me, and just place my order.

In both cases, I am choosing whether or not to use the item that has been provided for my convenience and expedience.

But not using a menu does not affect other patrons.

When I use a public restroom, MUST I shit IN the toilet?  Or can I just shit on the floor, or toilet seat?  The toilet has been provided for my convenience and expedience and can choose to use them or not...but my choice affects the next person to use the restroom.

An extreme example, yes.  But a better one than the menu example.  People leaving carts next to cars can create issues.
Not saying they always do, but they absolutely do in cases.

Disclosure.....I rarely return carts to corral.  Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 25, 2018, 08:58:49 PM
If you shit on the floor, you'll probably be banned from the store. Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
So is shitting on a bathroom floor.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 25, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
So is shitting on a bathroom floor.

That goes without saying.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.

Every last person I have talked to who does the job says otherwise.  So, nope, you are unequivocally wrong on that one. 

(except "behind the cars," which obviously is a problem, but since precisely no one has ever said that is okay, I have no idea why it keeps being brought up)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jammindude on April 25, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
You guys live in some weird ass places with some nut job employees. 

My Costco people only ever tell me (if they are there) ďHey, would you like me to get that for you?Ē

Never once, not ever in my 48 years on this planet....and Iím very flighty, so I usually hit a grocery store 4 or 5 times a week, and Costco at least twice a week....not EVER have I been told by any employee or any human being that putting the cart in the corral was anything but encouraged. 

EDIT - in fact, now that I think of it, I actually remember one employee who was really pissed that he had to go retrieve carts from various places in the lot, instead of just being able to get a bundle of them all at once at the corral.  Created a lot more work for him because he had to go to 5 or 6 different places in the lot instead of just being able to get them all at once in one place.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 26, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.

Every last person I have talked to who does the job says otherwise.  So, nope, you are unequivocally wrong on that one. 

(except "behind the cars," which obviously is a problem, but since precisely no one has ever said that is okay, I have no idea why it keeps being brought up)

So because a bunch of lazy courtesy clerks told you it's inconvenient for them to collect the carts at each corral, that makes it not lazy to stash them everywhere but the corral?

I lived in Phoenix. I have PTSD.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on April 26, 2018, 05:55:26 AM
Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.

Not at all, man. I don't even get that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 06:33:19 AM
Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.

Not at all, man. I don't even get that.

That's because you're wrong upstairs.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on April 26, 2018, 07:42:59 AM
As a person who had to get carts in July... in Arizona... fuck people that don't put it in the corral. Walking around the whole parking lot to get carts that are scorching hot is brutal. This is the main reason I only worked at the grocery store for 1 month.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 08:05:56 AM
If it's making his job harder he's not doing his job correctly/people need to put them back in the corrals in the first place!

I have asked this before, but have never gotten an answer:  Why do you keep saying "back?"  There is no "back" since they don't start there in the first place.

Pedantic much? You know exactly what I mean. Put the carts in the corrals, because that is what they are designed for. That is their sole purpose of being in this world. To keep all the carts in one place.

Anyhow, yeah, I just come back to, if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

The irony that I'm being reprimanded by a guy who doesn't even use the cart corrals for the purpose they're designed for - their purpose is literally the name - and you just stack them wherever you want is a symptom of laziness and disrespect for others. I've already said numerous times that carts outside of corrals cause car damage. It doesn't matter where you stack them: what happens when a storm happens? When strong winds come through and knock carts loose? Cars get damaged. There is a 0% possibility of cars getting any sort of damage in the corral. That percentage rises to at least .01% outside of the corral, therefore it is unacceptable. If you are going to tell me to mind my business for using my head, then you should just not get a cart the next time you go to the store, because you're lazy and disrespectful. *drops mic*  :biggrin:

Yeah, I don't get the 4 corners either. My brain doesn't function without visuals.

You have a row of parking spaces facing one direction.  As you pull into a space, there is another row facing you from directly across.  So the lines look something like:

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Every space (except the end ones) has a corner that is common to the four adjacent parking spaces--hence, "four corners."  As in:  the place where most civilized people leave their shopping carts after loading their cars.

Okay, nevermind, you're just trolling now. Don't put them in a metal barricade... put them in the middle of the damn lot. That is plain stupid.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 08:10:40 AM
Also

Not returning a cart to the corral is just a lazy inconvenience. Parking it behind a car or in between cars is just being a dick.

Every last person I have talked to who does the job says otherwise.  So, nope, you are unequivocally wrong on that one. 

(except "behind the cars," which obviously is a problem, but since precisely no one has ever said that is okay, I have no idea why it keeps being brought up)

Multiple people on this very page have refuted that point, so saying someone is 'unequivocally wrong' on this furthers my (sincere) view that you are just trolling because that statement is unequivocally wrong.

This subject rustles my jimmies more than I ever thought it would.  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
Pedantic much? You know exactly what I mean.

No, it's not about being pedantic.  That one word changes the entire meaning of your series of posts on the subject (and reveals faulty thinking), which is why I am zeroing in on it.  That isn't what "pedantic" means.

Put the carts in the corrals, because that is what they are designed for. That is their sole purpose of being in this world. To keep all the carts in one place.

The people who actual do the jobs where the corrals were constructed say that you are wrong.

The irony that I'm being reprimanded by a guy who doesn't even use the cart corrals for the purpose they're designed for

Well, no, you are wrong on two counts.  And both of which have been repeated several times, so by saying that, I can only conclude that you are deliberately ignoring most of what I and others have written on the subject and only seeing what you want to see.  (1) you aren't being "reprimanded."  (2) I frequently (but not always) DO use the corrals.

But on the subject of being "reprimanded," you WILL be reprimanded for crap like this:

because you're lazy and disrespectful

Knock off the namecalling.  I'm not going to say it again.

It doesn't matter where you stack them: what happens when a storm happens? When strong winds come through and knock carts loose? Cars get damaged.

I guess...maybe if your local store is in Hurricane Alley and your shopping cars come equipped with huge wind sails.  ???  :dunno: 

Okay, yeah, now I AM trolling just a bit.  Look, if it's a windy day, or you live in a place like Arizona like Chkn or Zook mentioned (or just anyplace where that is a common custom or is expected), or conditions otherwise indicate that you SHOULD put it in the corral, then you should.  I'm not arguing against that.  But what I am saying is that at least in this part of the country, according to the folks that work at the stores in the first place (i.e., the Experts), on the typical calm, mild-weathered Northern California day, in the typical store parking lot, where there is no likelihood of cars getting damages, there isn't an expectation that you HAVE TO necessarily put the carts in the corrals.  You can.  And in many situations, you probably should.  But you don't have to.  If you come here and decide to shop, you are perfectly welcome to do so.  But I caution you that you might want to take a valium to calm your nerves before setting foot on the premises, because otherwise, your head is likely to explode when you see tons of carts in proper places that are NOT the corrals in many store parking lots, and people innocently going about their business and not caring because *gasp!* life goes on.

Okay, nevermind, you're just trolling now. Don't put them in a metal barricade... put them in the middle of the damn lot. That is plain stupid.

Not sure where you got "in the middle of the damn lot" from my post.  But if that is what you took from it, you clearly misunderstood.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
Perhaps it's a regional thing (edit... ninja'd by Bosk)??  I mean, NorCal'rs are known for their 'zero fucks to give' attitudes.   I mean, you don't HAVE TO give a fuck about anything, right?  :lol

There's a lot that is faulty about putting a cart in Bosk's "four corners" that will invariably cause more inconveniences for multiple parties than the convenience it brings of the original person not walking 10, 20, 30 feet to put it in the corral - gravity, a 'bump' from the next car that parks there, cars parked to closely together to easily get the cart out of its predicament, wind (it hardly takes a strong gust to start a cart rolling).

Whatevs... no one is going to convince the other that their position or view is inferior.  This is apparently as polarizing a topic as politics!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 08:51:31 AM
Haha, whatever, bosk.  :lol  You told me to 'mind my own business' for using the corrals for what they are, but you're gonna reprimand me for saying it's lazy behavior for leaving carts wherever you please? Sorry you disagree, but it is. Don't lord your authority over me like some kind of pendulous blade when you just told me to 'mind my own business' and I pointed out, factually, that your "unequivocally wrong" statement was, in itself, unequivocally wrong. Furthermore I don't see you reprimanding anyone who's said "fuck those people" when I never said anything nearly as fiery. I don't really like the way you hold this very unpopular opinion that's been refuted with some very good points, and then when challenged on it you puff your chest out... while taking a shot about 'taking a valium.' I'd tell you to knock off the snark, but I have no power to show off.

But if you're gonna make me take a vacation, you may at least want to warn those in my roulette. But I really think that's blowing it way out of proportion. We're arguing about freaking shopping carts, dude.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 26, 2018, 08:52:45 AM
In Germany you can only take a shopping cart with a 1Ä, 2Ä coin or 50 cents. The only way to get your coin back, is to put the cart back in the corral. Everybody does it.

Even if it was not a question of getting your money back, you save the guy who has to gather all the carts and put them in the corrals a lot of time and work. It costs you nothing to be a gentle human being. People who don't do it are lazy and don't care about others. Does it really kill you to walk a few meters and put the cart back? I really don't understand that.

A lot of people already go to the supermarket with their cars, they buy a whole week worth of food/drinks, meaning they only have to go shopping once a week. Imagine people who have to go more often and they have to take buses. Is the air conditioning and the comfort of your car not enough to motivate you to move your ass and put the cart back? It is the least you can do. No wonder most people are overweight in America, if they consider that a HUGE EFFORT. Better to sit in a chair all day and eat shit.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 08:55:22 AM
^^ Careful with that namecalling, now.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
There's a lot that is faulty about putting a cart in Bosk's "four corners" that will invariably cause more inconveniences for multiple parties than the convenience it brings of the original person not walking 10, 20, 30 feet to put it in the corral - gravity, a 'bump' from the next car that parks there, cars parked to closely together to easily get the cart out of its predicament, wind (it hardly takes a strong gust to start a cart rolling).

Well, yeah, you're right, and let me clarify a bit.  Again, I couldn't see your picture, so I think maybe we are not completely on the same page about that.  If the parking lot is just a flat piece of asphalt that only has painted lines dividing the parking spaces, you generally shouldn't leave the cart at the four corners, and most people don't (some do, but I'm not talking about the exceptions here).  And that is for the reasons you mention.

The parking lots where people generally do leave them at the four corners are where there is a barrier, usually a planter of some sort, where you can prop the front wheels of the cart up over the curb in the bark so it won't roll.  That's what they have at the Costco I mentioned above.

Is it still inconvenient?  Well, yes and no.  As long as it is done...er..."properly," so that the cart isn't blocking the parking space, and cars can park without issue, it isn't inconveniencing other shoppers.  In fact, a lot of times, it's nice to park your car and be able to take the cart that is already right there instead of wading through the crowd at the cart bin.  Does it inconvenience the courtesy clerks who have to get the carts?  Yeah, a bit.  But, again, most of them don't mind and see it as part of the job, and part of delivering customer service.  And most people who DO view the corrals as non-mandatory seem to be considerate and mindful of the clerks as well, and won't leave them out if it is a really hot day or there is bad weather.  More often than not, rather than use the corrals that are out in the lot, you'll see folks in those situations bring the cart back under whatever awning or other covering is at the front of the store so the clerks don't have to go out into the lot at all.  So it goes both ways.  Again, local custom.  I don't see either one as "better" or "worse," or as more or less rude.  Some people just see it differently.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
Bosk, are you the guy who puts stuff on a shelf halfway across the store when you decide you don't want that item anymore?  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:11:29 AM
Haha, whatever, bosk.  :lol  You told me to 'mind my own business' for using the corrals for what they are, but you're gonna reprimand me for saying it's lazy behavior for leaving carts wherever you please? Sorry you disagree, but it is. Don't lord your authority over me like some kind of pendulous blade when you just told me to 'mind my own business' and I pointed out, factually, that your "unequivocally wrong" statement was, in itself, unequivocally wrong. Furthermore I don't see you reprimanding anyone who's said "fuck those people" when I never said anything nearly as fiery. I don't really like the way you hold this very unpopular opinion that's been refuted with some very good points, and then when challenged on it you puff your chest out... while taking a shot about 'taking a valium.' I'd tell you to knock off the snark, but I have no power to show off.

But if you're gonna make me take a vacation, you may at least want to warn those in my roulette. But I really think that's blowing it way out of proportion. We're arguing about freaking shopping carts, dude.

It's not about lording authority over others.  People who don't understand local customs or, more accurately, can't understand that someone else could possibly think differently than they do, DO need to mind their own business.  That isn't an insult.  Namecalling, especially at someone directly, IS an insult.  If you don't get that, sorry, but I can't help you.  There are plenty of people who can engage in the conversation without namecalling, so I suggest maybe you take note of their posting style if you can't figure it out for yourself.

Bosk, are you the guy who puts stuff on a shelf halfway across the store when you decide you don't want that item anymore?  :lol

No, and I have no idea how that is even relevant to this discussion.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 09:13:17 AM
Oh, please. I am not stupid, don't talk to me like I am. Numerous other people have called it lazy behavior as well. My saying your leaving carts in the lot is 'lazy' is nothing more than an extension of that, and if you take it that personally, well so be it, but I'll at the very least apologize for clearly offending you. You've banned people for less, so I guess I'll take my ball and play elsewhere. Sorry! (edit: you've implied numerous times now that I can't possibly understand how other people can think differently. I think that's offensive, too.)

BTW, it was a humorous post implying that since you leave carts in the lot, maybe you leave items in the improper place in the store. That's all. No need to get huffy.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
The people who actual do the jobs where the corrals were constructed say that you are wrong.

I think the fault in your argument is taking what this one shopping cart lot attendant opinion as the truth.  It may be the truth for his lot, like say if the corral is so far back in the lot that it is more annoying for him to walk all the way back there when everyone else leaves them upfront in the 4 corners (I still don't understand this, but maybe I missed the explanation in this thread somewhere).  But in any average parking lot scenario, I can't see how it would be easier or more efficient for this worker to pick the carts up from a couple locations vs. scattered all around the lot. 

And also, costco is busy enough that usually someone will just grab your cart anyway which makes the whole argument moot  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Elite on April 26, 2018, 09:16:39 AM
In Germany you can only take a shopping cart with a 1Ä, 2Ä coin or 50 cents. The only way to get your coin back, is to put the cart back in the corral. Everybody does it.

Indeed. As someone who doesn't live in America, I can not see how this is even remotely an issue. Over here, there's even worthless coins designed just to take the shopping cart out of the rack. People just bring them back, always. I never see shopping carts spread out across a parking area. This thread gathering 8 pages of nonsense is quite ridiculous to me.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:23:10 AM
The people who actual do the jobs where the corrals were constructed say that you are wrong.

I think the fault in your argument is taking what this one shopping cart lot attendant opinion as the truth.  It may be the truth for his lot, like say if the corral is so far back in the lot that it is more annoying for him to walk all the way back there when everyone else leaves them upfront in the 4 corners (I still don't understand this, but maybe I missed the explanation in this thread somewhere).  But in any average parking lot scenario, I can't see how it would be easier or more efficient for this worker to pick the carts up from a couple locations vs. scattered all around the lot. 

And also, costco is busy enough that usually someone will just grab your cart anyway which makes the whole argument moot  :lol

Well, no, you missed the point.  First off, the very point of the thread is based on the premise that there is virtually a universal truth that every shopping cart MUST always be put into a cart corral after every use, no exceptions, and that not doing so is a moral failure.  So, yes, even ONE exception would disprove that.

But if you've been following my posts (and others in the thread), it isn't just ONE courtesy clerk.  It is several.  At different stores. 

So the point is that, at least out here, among apparently MOST of the population in this area (or at least a significant number), that isn't the custom.  And an outsider has no business passing judgment and namecalling on customs they don't (or don't want to) understand that are different from their own.  That's about as ridiculous as me trying to argue to the Germans who have posted in this thread that their custom is offensive to me and, therefore, "wrong."  Whether or not I agree with or like their own custom (and I happen to like it, for the record), who am I to pass judgment on what they as a society collectively see as a good thing?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 26, 2018, 09:24:51 AM
In Germany you can only take a shopping cart with a 1Ä, 2Ä coin or 50 cents. The only way to get your coin back, is to put the cart back in the corral. Everybody does it.

Indeed. As someone who doesn't live in America, I can not see how this is even remotely an issue. Over here, there's even worthless coins designed just to take the shopping cart out of the rack. People just bring them back, always. I never see shopping carts spread out across a parking area. This thread gathering 8 pages of nonsense is quite ridiculous to me.
We have those worthless coins too and you can get them for free in the supermarket. I never see shopping carts scattered around the parking lot either. I mean, at least here in Germany (or Europe, who knows) it is pretty common sense that if you do your part, everything works well.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 09:25:13 AM
It's literally called a cart corral. The name is what it does and is for.  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:27:53 AM
Yes.  And in Cailfornia, we have free range carts that don't like being corralled.  In fact, it stunts their growth and makes the meat taste funny.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 09:30:39 AM
The people who actual do the jobs where the corrals were constructed say that you are wrong.

I think the fault in your argument is taking what this one shopping cart lot attendant opinion as the truth.  It may be the truth for his lot, like say if the corral is so far back in the lot that it is more annoying for him to walk all the way back there when everyone else leaves them upfront in the 4 corners (I still don't understand this, but maybe I missed the explanation in this thread somewhere).  But in any average parking lot scenario, I can't see how it would be easier or more efficient for this worker to pick the carts up from a couple locations vs. scattered all around the lot. 

And also, costco is busy enough that usually someone will just grab your cart anyway which makes the whole argument moot  :lol

Well, no, you missed the point.  First off, the very point of the thread is based on the premise that there is virtually a universal truth that every shopping cart MUST always be put into a cart corral after every use, no exceptions, and that not doing so is a moral failure.  So, yes, even ONE exception would disprove that.

But if you've been following my posts (and others in the thread), it isn't just ONE courtesy clerk.  It is several.  At different stores. 

So the point is that, at least out here, among apparently MOST of the population in this area (or at least a significant number), that isn't the custom.  And an outsider has no business passing judgment and namecalling on customs they don't (or don't want to) understand that are different from their own.  That's about as ridiculous as me trying to argue to the Germans who have posted in this thread that their custom is offensive to me and, therefore, "wrong."  Whether or not I agree with or like their own custom (and I happen to like it, for the record), who am I to pass judgment on what they as a society collectively see as a good thing?

You bumped an older thread and I didn't reread so I might of forgotten and missed previous examples.  But I don't think I labelled anyone as anything (the only think I can think of to describe not returning it is "lazy" but even then, there are examples where that is not true so I don't think a blanket statement helps anything here) and even provided an example of how it might not be the best case scenario for the clerk.  But I still can't find a scenario that is better for everyone because the cart may damage a vehicle (and I believe you said you would put it in a spot that wouldn't, so that's not directed at you) but I think everyone's seen an unattended cart rolling through the lot before.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: AngelBack on April 26, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
Maybe if we rename them "Cart Sanctuaries" the left coast folks will hustle them in.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 26, 2018, 09:36:19 AM
I think this topic has good enough ideas to write a book about it. Maybe "Shopping Cart Philosophy".  ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
You bumped an older thread and I didn't reread so I might of forgotten and missed previous examples.  But I don't think I labelled anyone as anything...

No, no, sorry--I wasn't trying to say that YOU labeled anyone.  Sorry if I wasn't clear.

...but I think everyone's seen an unattended cart rolling through the lot before.

Actually, I don't think I ever have.  I mean, I've seen my own get away once or twice as it was sitting behind my car and I was trying to get it unloaded, and it started to roll away (which happens more often than you might think with parents of small children when they take their kid out of the cart and are distracted getting the child buckled up, etc. :lol).  But otherwise, no, not that I can recall.  But we also don't often have crazy high wind situations very much either, and most lots have to be pretty flat for our local state version of the ADA, so maybe that plays in.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
Maybe if we rename them "Cart Sanctuaries" the left coast folks will hustle them in.    :biggrin:

:lol  :tup

I think this topic has good enough ideas to write a book about it. Maybe "Shopping Cart Philosophy".  ;D

:lol  :tup  :lol  :tup
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
Well, at least we've got some quality brevity now.  Well done Angel... well done.  :clap:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
...but I think everyone's seen an unattended cart rolling through the lot before.

Actually, I don't think I ever have.  I mean, I've seen my own get away once or twice as it was sitting behind my car and I was trying to get it unloaded, and it started to roll away (which happens more often than you might think with parents of small children when they take their kid out of the cart and are distracted getting the child buckled up, etc. :lol).  But otherwise, no, not that I can recall.  But we also don't often have crazy high wind situations very much either, and most lots have to be pretty flat for our local state version of the ADA, so maybe that plays in.  :dunno:

I guess that's possible.  I'm just assuming that I've seen it enough to think it's probably a normal occurrence and maybe even a reason to install corrals in the first place.  I've had to run to catch them before from hitting other peoples cars just because it happened in front of me and I'd feel bad just letting it happen.  It's things like that which make me feel like I should always return the cart.  I don't really consider the clerk when returning them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 26, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
We here in Phoenix, we put our carts behind people's cars, and we don't appreciate some outsider telling us what we should do. It's a custom and if you don't like it, go somewhere else and mind your own business.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Elite on April 26, 2018, 10:29:27 AM
I've been told that in some European countries, it's customary to pick up the carts and put them on top of people's cars.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
Hell, in some places, I hear they'll smash the cart into your car on purpose if you're ballsy enough to bring your vehicle to the lot!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 26, 2018, 10:33:25 AM
I love this thread.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 10:39:49 AM
The hell is wrong with all of you? Good lord.

Who in Cage' holy name uses a cart at all anymore? Don't you guys just drive your cars through the store?

I mean, sure....it's messy and inconsiderate. But they have people whose job it is to clean that stuff up. Damn.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on April 26, 2018, 10:40:38 AM
You have a row of parking spaces facing one direction.  As you pull into a space, there is another row facing you from directly across.  So the lines look something like:

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Every space (except the end ones) has a corner that is common to the four adjacent parking spaces--hence, "four corners."  As in:  the place where most civilized people leave their shopping carts after loading their cars.

When I was a kid and my mother would take me grocery shopping, it was a fairly regular occurrence that she would have me get out of the car to move a shopping cart so that she could pull into a parking space.  That would have been circa 35-45 years ago.  Neither of us ever considered the cart's presence to be an affront to humanity.

I'm squarely in Bosk's corner.  If the parking lot is laid out in the "H" configuration mentioned, that's exactly what I do with my cart.  It doesn't block any of the spaces.  However, my local grocery store has a bunch of landscaped islands between rows of parking spaces, so what I do more often is put the cart between my space and the space to the left, with the front wheels of the cart popped up on the island so that the cart can't accidentally roll away.  If I happen to be parked a space or two away from the corral, I'll take it back.  Otherwise, I will go out of my way only enough to make sure the cart doesn't get in someone else's way.

It baffles me that folks think this is a big deal.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 26, 2018, 10:57:21 AM
I prop it on islands sometimes too if the corral is a mile away, but I've seen carts pushed in the H Zone when the corral is 2 spaces away.

So calling someone lazy when they are clearly being so and hilariously trying to justify it is considered namecalling and offensive now?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
I prop it on islands sometimes too if the corral is a mile away, but I've seen carts pushed in the H Zone when the corral is 2 spaces away.

So calling someone lazy when they are clearly being so and hilariously trying to justify it is considered namecalling and offensive now?

Seriously. Curb/island/whatever is 5 feet away. Corral is 20. Corral keeps all carts within a barricade and bundled together. If you put the cart on the island because it's closer that is textbook laziness. Can't be any simpler.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
I think I've posted my opinion in this thread before (which basically aligns with people who argue it's a common courtesy to return carts to the collars, unless it's your regional thing), but I'm just going to remark on one thing and then get the hell out of this thread. In my, and only my opinion (and it's not like it matters, really) this sentence, as it reads, directed at any participant of this discussion:

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if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

is no less condescending and offensive than calling someone "lazy and disrespectful".

I'm also going to say, it's kind of amusing to see this thread resurrected and the old war between pro- and anti-corral people being kindled again. Good times.


Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 11:22:53 AM
Good times.

Indeed  :lol

Thank you DTF for the discussion... and the tshirt (https://youtu.be/KlFoCd_hIsM?t=1m49s)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 11:57:09 AM
In my, and only my opinion (and it's not like it matters, really) this sentence, as it reads, directed at any participant of this discussion:

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if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

is no less condescending and offensive than calling someone "lazy and disrespectful".

Fair enough, and I apologize if it was taken that way.  I do not mean to offend or condescend.  I'm not sure how to say it much differently, but my point is simply:  If group A engages in a custom that nobody in that group and nobody that it impacts finds offensive or harmful in any way, shape, or form, then outsiders have no business casting judgment on it.  See my noodle slurping example earlier in the thread.  That shouldn't be an offensive concept.  But, again, apologies for the wording coming across that way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

EDIT:  I'm bothered by the fact that Evermind, and possibly others, felt that my comment was condescending, so I'm going to offer another example to more clearly illustrate what I meant.  Let's take the example of how, in Mexico, everything shuts down for siesta time for a couple of hours in the middle of the afternoon, and then people go back to work.  That is culturally agreed-upon, and WIDELY accepted in that culture.  Or, let's take the very laid back attitude toward...well, basically everything, but especially workplace drive...that is pretty prevalent in Jamaica.  Now, let's transplant that to, say, Wall Street.  If you have a worker that, against his employer's expectations, decides on his own that he is going to leave his intense, fast-paced office environment for an hour and a half every day and take a nap right during the heart of the work day, his boss is going to be PISSED.  He will be called out for being lazy.  And, perhaps in that environment, rightly so.  Or the guy who, in the same environment, basically takes his time doing "passable" work in "as long as it takes him," and not burying the needle in terms of trying to promote as far and as fast as humanly possible.  In that environment, it might be passable to call the person out as not being ambitious.  But Wall Street is a different environment than Mexico or Jamaica.  So, for a Wall Street manager to call out Mexicans as being lazy for what they do in Mexico or Jamaicans as being unambitious for what they do in Jamaica is wrong on so many levels.  Said Wall Street Manager needs to mind his own business if he's going to call out other people for not thinking the way he does.  It's just not his call to make in singling out a different school of thought as "lazy" or "unambitious."  The "mind your own business" isn't meant to be condescending.  It's meant to say, "you don't understand, so quit throwing labels around that don't apply, and maybe think about not being so judgmental."

To bring that back to what's being discussed in this thread, again, it isn't necessarily "lazy" or "immoral" or...any of the terms with negative connotations that have been thrown around.  Yeah, it might be in a lot of contexts.  But context matters.  For it to be "lazy," there has to be an expectation of contrary behavior, and then a blowing off of that expectation because "yeah, I know that's what I should do, but I can't be bothered."  And at least here, in the specific situations I mentioned, it isn't an expectation.  Maybe it is where you live.  And that's cool.  But it's no more "lazy" than taking a nap in the middle of your workday if you live in Mexico where pretty much EVERYBODY does that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 12:29:33 PM
In my, and only my opinion (and it's not like it matters, really) this sentence, as it reads, directed at any participant of this discussion:

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if you think carts MUST be put into corrals every time, you just don't know what the corrals are for and need to mind your own business.

is no less condescending and offensive than calling someone "lazy and disrespectful".

Fair enough, and I apologize if it was taken that way.  I do not mean to offend or condescend.  I'm not sure how to say it much differently, but my point is simply:  If group A engages in a custom that nobody in that group and nobody that it impacts finds offensive or harmful in any way, shape, or form, then outsiders have no business casting judgment on it.  See my noodle slurping example earlier in the thread.  That shouldn't be an offensive concept.  But, again, apologies for the wording coming across that way.

But... it does impact and offend people, so there is absolutely room to cast judgment on it. By not putting the carts in the corrals, that leaves open the possibility of a cart damaging someone's vehicle. And often it isn't cheap to fix some of that damage. I've seen it a lot even since this thread was made. Just a few weeks ago we repaired somebody's passenger door that got slammed by a cart. Not cheap. If the cart was in the corral, problem solved. Hence casting judgment on that behavior.

Until we agree to disagree, bosk, I'm on you like Homer on donuts.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
But... it does impact and offend people, so there is absolutely room to cast judgment on it. By not putting the carts in the corrals, that leaves open the possibility of a cart damaging someone's vehicle. And often it isn't cheap to fix some of that damage. I've seen it a lot even since this thread was made. Just a few weeks ago we repaired somebody's passenger door that got slammed by a cart. Not cheap. If the cart was in the corral, problem solved. Hence casting judgment on that behavior.

Until we agree to disagree, bosk, I'm on you like Homer on donuts.  :lol

Well, read my edit that I just posted.

It does not impact and offend people here.  The expectation and common custom here is that use of the corrals in some situations is strictly optional.  Whether people elsewhere are offended isn't really relevant.  See the Asia/Mexico/Jamaica examples.

And as far as impact, again, I'm talking specifically about situations where precisely NOBODY is impacted.  Yeah, if you leave the cart where it can damage a vehicle, that's obviously not cool.  But for as many times as I've posted in the thread, that is not what I am talking about.  At all.  That is completely a straw man argument. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
But that is bad logic and could be applied to any number of other things in the real world. If we boil this down, this subject is about societal behavior and courtesy. So I think that's a bit of a poor dismissal, to say "It doesn't affect you, so why do you care?" Abortion doesn't affect anybody but the mother and child, so why would anybody else care? See what I'm getting at? It sounds like you want to shut down the objections just because they aren't personally involved in your daily shopping cart shenanigans, but again, we're talking about behavior, so I should be allowed to voice objection to that just like you should be allowed to defend it.

I disagree that it is a straw man argument. It doesn't matter. Even if you leave it propped up somewhere, it could become loose. The corral is intended to keep all of them together - a cart may roll out somehow, but it is intended to prevent, or at worst minimize damage to somebody's vehicle. So, if you leave a cart out at 9 AM, and it becomes loose that afternoon and dings somebody's car at 4 PM when they're in the store - just a hypothetical, go with it - you are technically at fault/responsible for that because you didn't use the corral. You did not responsibly return the cart to the designated, conveniently placed, numerous (you have OPTIONS!) corrals.

 :natalieportman:

EDIT: I read your edit, and honestly, no offense, it just sounds like you're talking past the point. The corrals are for putting carts back. You put 'em back so they won't hit somebody's car. Like... that's it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on April 26, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
As someone who gathered carts - people that propped them up on curbs pissed me off. It's a pain in the ass to get off the curb and its right next to the damn corral!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on April 26, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
Seriously. Curb/island/whatever is 5 feet away. Corral is 20. Corral keeps all carts within a barricade and bundled together. If you put the cart on the island because it's closer that is textbook laziness. Can't be any simpler.

I'd be interested to read that textbook.  If I go to the grocery store to pick up just a couple of things, is it "lazy" if I don't walk through all the aisles?  If I have a power lawnmower and a push mower, is it "lazy" to use the power mower?  Not doing something that there is no good reason to do is not being "lazy."


I think I've posted my opinion in this thread before (which basically aligns with people who argue it's a common courtesy to return carts to the collars

Courteous to whom?  As long as I leave my cart in a place that doesn't inconvenience someone else, what difference does it make?


But... it does impact and offend people, so there is absolutely room to cast judgment on it. By not putting the carts in the corrals, that leaves open the possibility of a cart damaging someone's vehicle. And often it isn't cheap to fix some of that damage. I've seen it a lot even since this thread was made. Just a few weeks ago we repaired somebody's passenger door that got slammed by a cart. Not cheap. If the cart was in the corral, problem solved. Hence casting judgment on that behavior.

I take issue with the notion that cars in the corral automatically negates any possibility of damage.  There are basically three options:  (1) cart in the corral; (2) cart not in the corral but left somewhere that it (a) won't inconvenience someone else (e.g., by blocking a parking spot) and (b) isn't reasonably likely to damage someone's car; and (3) cart gets left such that it prevents someone from parking in one or more spaces.  #3 is obviously not ok, but there's nothing inherently better about #1 than #2.  Also, while I'm concerned about "impact," whether something like this happens to "offend" someone else is not something I will ever be concerned about.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 01:20:24 PM
As someone who gathered carts - people that propped them up on curbs pissed me off. It's a pain in the ass to get off the curb and its right next to the damn corral!

Again, if that's the expectation/custom where you are, cool.  People should be aware of and sensitive to that when shopping there.  All I'm saying is, again, that doesn't give anyone the right to pass judgment on people who think differently in places where it is not the expectation/custom.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 01:20:51 PM
Seriously. Curb/island/whatever is 5 feet away. Corral is 20. Corral keeps all carts within a barricade and bundled together. If you put the cart on the island because it's closer that is textbook laziness. Can't be any simpler.

I'd be interested to read that textbook.  If I go to the grocery store to pick up just a couple of things, is it "lazy" if I don't walk through all the aisles?  If I have a power lawnmower and a push mower, is it "lazy" to use the power mower?  Not doing something that there is no good reason to do is not being "lazy."

This is about returning a cart to a corral to prevent it from possibly damaging other cars, taking up space, making the employee waste time gathering them etc. You getting in and efficiently grabbing your food without going into other aisles isn't even the same kind of situation and has nothing to do with laziness because you get nothing out of going into every aisle. These situations are entirely different because there is no potential consequence to another person or their property; leaving a cart out does. Unless you're the kind of demon that aims your push mower to blow everything directly into the road and possibly fling a rock or two at a passing car, in which case, you are a monster.


But... it does impact and offend people, so there is absolutely room to cast judgment on it. By not putting the carts in the corrals, that leaves open the possibility of a cart damaging someone's vehicle. And often it isn't cheap to fix some of that damage. I've seen it a lot even since this thread was made. Just a few weeks ago we repaired somebody's passenger door that got slammed by a cart. Not cheap. If the cart was in the corral, problem solved. Hence casting judgment on that behavior.

I take issue with the notion that cars in the corral automatically negates any possibility of damage.  There are basically three options:  (1) cart in the corral; (2) cart not in the corral but left somewhere that it (a) won't inconvenience someone else (e.g., by blocking a parking spot) and (b) isn't reasonably likely to damage someone's car; and (3) cart gets left such that it prevents someone from parking in one or more spaces.  #3 is obviously not ok, but there's nothing inherently better about #1 than #2.  Also, while I'm concerned about "impact," whether something like this happens to "offend" someone else is not something I will ever be concerned about.

For each situation:
1) cart in the corral; best option.
2) cart not in corral, left somewhere else; makes employee waste more time gathering them, cart potentially could become loose or even stolen, which is lost property for the store
3) cart blocks a parking space; we agree that is not okay.

So best option? Put it back... be a courteous individual... take a few extra seconds...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
Nope.  We aren't talking about carts being put in a place where they can damage cars.  We are talking about situations where the drivers/customers aren't impacted in any meaningful way whatsoever.  So that is off the table.  So drivers/customers:  not negatively impacted.

Who else can be impacted?  Courtesy clerks:  They don't care and expect as part of their job to get the carts.  So courtesy clerks:  not negatively impacted.

So, who is left that can be negatively impacted?  Nobody.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 01:34:22 PM
Wow. Okay, so, the excuse is simply laziness, if it's really not a big deal then. Cool, we agree on that.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 01:37:41 PM
Only if you want say that Mexicans are lazy for taking a siesta in the middle of the day.  There's nothing "lazy" about it.  Just different.  But I'm confused about why you keep applying the same ad hominem to the situation when you can't show any basis for it other than, "it's 'lazy' because I say so."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 01:40:15 PM
Only if you want say that Mexicans are lazy for taking a siesta in the middle of the day.  There's nothing "lazy" about it.  Just different.  But I'm confused about why you keep applying the same ad hominem to the situation when you can't show any basis for it other than, "it's 'lazy' because I say so."

It is not an ad hominem. You have laid out every situation as nothing of consequence, so the last option is that you simply do not feel like returning them to the corral and will find a closer place to park it, ie laziness. So, on top of misconstruing what I said as some form of personal attack, you then escalate it to equating it to calling all Mexicans lazy. Returning carts and siestas are not comparable. Returning carts is not a cultural thing, it is a behavior of courtesy for others around you.

But please, continue your own ad hominem by blowing my statement up to an almost racist statement! I respect you as an administrator bosk but that is getting pretty offensive.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 01:44:54 PM
Then address the questions above.  Show me who is being harmed and how.  You haven't and you can't. 

And show me how this isn't exactly like calling Mexicans who partake of siestas in Mexico lazy.  Honestly, I think it's probably one of the most fitting analogies in the history of analogies.  But I will concede that I may be a bit biased in that regard. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
I literally work at a body shop where people's cars come in and get fixed for damage like that. If you're arguing that nobody here is impacted by you leaving a cart out, yes, that is correct, but what is the point then? That doesn't refute the argument that it's not courteous to others around you.

And no, it absolutely is nothing like calling all Mexicans lazy and I seriously do take offense to you escalating it to that point. That's bullshit and more offensive than me ever implying it's lazy to leave a damn shopping cart out. Nonsense. (Edit: I'm going to step away from this thread because that's the only thing said that's actually made me mad, so I'll just leave it there - agree to disagree, bosk.)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
EDIT:  I typed the below before you edited to say you were stepping away from the thread.  So don't feel like you have to respond.  I'm cool if you don't, and I'm not the type to "gloat" or take it as a "moral victory" that I "got the last word."  If you choose not to respond, I'll take what you said at face value:  "agree to disagree."

I'll just add to that that I am legitimately curious as to why you are offended by the Mexico analogy though.  It's not meant to be offensive, and I'm not sure why it would be.  But you are welcome to let it go and not respond, or to respond by PM rather than in the thread, if you like.

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I literally work at a body shop where people's cars come in and get fixed for damage like that. If you're arguing that nobody here is impacted by you leaving a cart out, yes, that is correct, but what is the point then? That doesn't refute the argument that it's not courteous to others around you.

No, I am arguing that nobody whatsoever is impacted by someone here leaving the cart out (provided that it is done the proper way).  That's why so many people here routinely do it.  Because everybody here feels it is okay.  Again, show me who is impacted in this scenario.

And since you seem to be bothered by the Mexican analogy, although I can't fathom why, here's maybe a better one, although fictitious:
Person A takes meticulous care of his lawn, and doesn't like anyone on it, period.  He makes that known, and everybody who lives near him knows it.  He's a good guy.  He just doesn't like people on his lawn.
Person B takes meticulous care of his lawn because he likes the way it looks when he does, but he doesn't really care one way or the other whether people walk on it or not, as long as they are reasonably careful not to tear it up.  Yeah, there usually isn't a reason to walk on it, other than taking a shortcut of about 10 steps if you are going around the corner (he lives on a corner lot), and of course, ANY time you walk on it at all, it obviously does SOME miniscule damage, as opposed to not walking on it at all.  But he really doesn't care.
Person C takes meticulous care of his lawn to have it be a play area for the neighborhood kids.  Given the time and expense he puts into it for that purpose, he is kind of bothered when the kids DON'T come use it.

Obviously, stepping all over person A's lawn is a jerk move.  He doesn't like it.  Everyone knows that.  So stepping all over his lawn is rude and inconsiderate.  At the other extreme, stepping on person C's lawn is not only fine, it is expected.  Definitively NOT rude to step on his lawn.  What about person B?  Really, no difference to person C in terms of being decidedly NOT rude (provided that one exercises reasonable care).  CAN you just go around and take 10 more steps?  Sure.  Is it rude or lazy not to?  Nope.  Because person B (the person in charge of said lawn) doesn't care. 

That being said, is it rude and pretentious for Person A to impose their morals on people who step on Person B's lawn, when it doesn't impact Person A in the slightest?  Yeah, it pretty much is because it doesn't impact him at all, and the only person it does impact doesn't care, so it isn't a negative impact.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Before I take my final bow, you really can't fathom why you implying my statement is akin to a racist remark is offensive? That's just more reason to let it go. Peace, my dude.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 26, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Cmon guys, this is just shopping carts. You are going on about it as if it was a matter of life and death. Why not found a new religion for the people who put the carts back in the corral and for those who don't?  ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 02:43:36 PM
Cmon guys, this is just shopping carts. You are going on about it as if it was a matter of life and death. Why not found a new religion for the people who put the carts back in the corral and for those who don't?  ;D

You don't really know a person until you discover their stance on shopping cart placement.

For as mad as that comment made me I don't honestly care what bosk does with the shopping cart. But in the context of this specific subject, for the sake of conversation (as was the original intent, anyway) I would like to give him a noogie, or possibly threaten a swirly. Purple nurple?  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 26, 2018, 03:18:53 PM
Where does everyone stand on putting a lunch tray on the trash can top after being done with it?


(https://www.fixturedisplays.net/image/cache//data/119231/119231%204-500x500.JPG)


Is it cool to leave it on the table or is it better to bring it to the spot that's located on the top of the trashcan?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 03:23:10 PM
Depends on the restaurant.  In most cases, if they have those, it is the type of place where they expect you to bus your own table.  But I have been in a couple where I have started to put mine away, only to have staff say not to and that they would do it.  But those are the odd exception.  As with the shopping cart issue, I'd say best rule is to know your environment and what is expected, and act accordingly.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Wait, you don't just throw the trays out?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 03:34:28 PM
Where does everyone stand on putting a lunch tray on the trash can top after being done with it?


(https://www.fixturedisplays.net/image/cache//data/119231/119231%204-500x500.JPG)


Is it cool to leave it on the table or is it better to bring it to the spot that's located on the top of the trashcan?


I put them in the parking lot, preferably behind a car or in the middle of an empty parking space.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 03:36:50 PM
In Germany do you need to insert a coin to get a tray?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
In Germany, you need to insert a coin for EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on April 26, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
This is about returning a cart to a corral to prevent it from possibly damaging other cars, taking up space, making the employee waste time gathering them etc.

I leave my cart where the possibility of damaging a car (not just "other cars") is negligible and where it will not get in anyone's way.  That leaves "making [an] employee waste time gathering" the carts as the only reason to use the corral.  What else is that employee going to do?  Retrieving carts from the parking lot is pretty much the only thing that employee has to do.  Why should I do that employee's job?  Moreover, since I'm not even close to the only person who doesn't generally use the corrals, I don't think changing my behavior is going to have a significant impact on how the cart retrieval employee spends his/her day.


You getting in and efficiently grabbing your food without going into other aisles isn't even the same kind of situation and has nothing to do with laziness because you get nothing out of going into every aisle.

Likewise, I get nothing out of returning carts to he corral.  On the other hand, I do lose time.  Granted, it's not any significant amount of time, but I view my time as valuable and not to be wasted on things I don't enjoy or which serve no useful purpose.


For each situation:
1) cart in the corral; best option.
2) cart not in corral, left somewhere else; makes employee waste more time gathering them, cart potentially could become loose or even stolen, which is lost property for the store
3) cart blocks a parking space; we agree that is not okay.

So best option? Put it back... be a courteous individual... take a few extra seconds...

I understand your opinion.  However, I don't agree with the negatives associated with #2, so I don't see how using the corral is any better.


Who else can be impacted?  Courtesy clerks:  They don't care and expect as part of their job to get the carts.  So courtesy clerks:  not negatively impacted.

Not only that, if I do their job for them, they may find themselves out of jobs.  Using the cart corral costs people their jobs, damnit!


Wow. Okay, so, the excuse is simply laziness, if it's really not a big deal then. Cool, we agree on that.  :lol

Two things here:  (1) If it's "lazy" not to use the cart corral, then it's equally lazy to use the cart corral instead of taking the cart back where you got it in the first place; and (2) not doing something that serves no useful purpose and refraining from which causes no harm is not "lazy."


I literally work at a body shop where people's cars come in and get fixed for damage like that. If you're arguing that nobody here is impacted by you leaving a cart out, yes, that is correct, but what is the point then? That doesn't refute the argument that it's not courteous to others around you.

No one here is saying that folks who let carts roam free to maim and kill innocent cars isn't a problem.


And since you seem to be bothered by the Mexican analogy, although I can't fathom why, here's maybe a better one, although fictitious:
Person A takes meticulous care of his lawn, and doesn't like anyone on it, period.  He makes that known, and everybody who lives near him knows it.  He's a good guy.  He just doesn't like people on his lawn.
Person B takes meticulous care of his lawn because he likes the way it looks when he does, but he doesn't really care one way or the other whether people walk on it or not, as long as they are reasonably careful not to tear it up.  Yeah, there usually isn't a reason to walk on it, other than taking a shortcut of about 10 steps if you are going around the corner (he lives on a corner lot), and of course, ANY time you walk on it at all, it obviously does SOME miniscule damage, as opposed to not walking on it at all.  But he really doesn't care.
Person C takes meticulous care of his lawn to have it be a play area for the neighborhood kids.  Given the time and expense he puts into it for that purpose, he is kind of bothered when the kids DON'T come use it.

Obviously, stepping all over person A's lawn is a jerk move.  He doesn't like it.  Everyone knows that.  So stepping all over his lawn is rude and inconsiderate.  At the other extreme, stepping on person C's lawn is not only fine, it is expected.  Definitively NOT rude to step on his lawn.  What about person B?  Really, no difference to person C in terms of being decidedly NOT rude (provided that one exercises reasonable care).  CAN you just go around and take 10 more steps?  Sure.  Is it rude or lazy not to?  Nope.  Because person B (the person in charge of said lawn) doesn't care. 

That being said, is it rude and pretentious for Person A to impose their morals on people who step on Person B's lawn, when it doesn't impact Person A in the slightest?  Yeah, it pretty much is because it doesn't impact him at all, and the only person it does impact doesn't care, so it isn't a negative impact.

This is an excellent analogy, but I'll simplify it even further.  In front of my house is a lawn.  If you are in the street facing my house, the driveway is to the left, and the lawn is to the right.  If you are walking to my house from right side and want to walk to the front door, you can either cut across the lawn or you can walk an extra 50-60 feet around the lawn and up the driveway (about the same number of feet I might have to walk to take my cart to a corral).  I'm no lawn care expert, but I assume that walking on the grass does some negligible amount of damage to the grass (analogous to the negligible chance that a cart I leave will damage a car).  However, I don't think I've ever not cut across the lawn.  Does that make me lazy?  Of course not.


Cmon guys, this is just shopping carts. You are going on about it as if it was a matter of life and death. Why not found a new religion for the people who put the carts back in the corral and for those who don't?  ;D

That's kinda why I decided to chime in.  I find it baffling that anyone gets worked up about this such that this thread is as long as it is!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on April 26, 2018, 03:50:24 PM
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Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
In Germany, you need to insert a coin for EVERYTHING.

I know your viewing habits now.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on April 26, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
As someone who gathered carts - people that propped them up on curbs pissed me off. It's a pain in the ass to get off the curb and its right next to the damn corral!

Again, if that's the expectation/custom where you are, cool.  People should be aware of and sensitive to that when shopping there.  All I'm saying is, again, that doesn't give anyone the right to pass judgment on people who think differently in places where it is not the expectation/custom.

I have the expectation and custom, therefore I can pass judgement on people who think differently... isn't that the world we live in now?


Nope.  We aren't talking about carts being put in a place where they can damage cars.  We are talking about situations where the drivers/customers aren't impacted in any meaningful way whatsoever.  So that is off the table.  So drivers/customers:  not negatively impacted.

Who else can be impacted?  Courtesy clerks:  They don't care and expect as part of their job to get the carts.  So courtesy clerks:  not negatively impacted.

So, who is left that can be negatively impacted?  Nobody.

Lets think about this economically though. My job when I gathered carts was bagger and cart getter. I would have to go gather carts between bagging for customers - during a lull in check out. If the carts are all in the corral, it takes me 5 minutes to gather the carts and then back to bagging or reshelving, etc. Now lets say I have to go around and gather all the carts that are not in a corral. Now it takes me 15-20 minutes to gather carts. Leaving no bagger. So now the company must hire more people because the customers don't want to put the carts in the corral helping to expedite the cart gathering process. Thus increasing the prices of goods. Now you've impacted yourself.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 04:13:59 PM
As someone who gathered carts - people that propped them up on curbs pissed me off. It's a pain in the ass to get off the curb and its right next to the damn corral!

Again, if that's the expectation/custom where you are, cool.  People should be aware of and sensitive to that when shopping there.  All I'm saying is, again, that doesn't give anyone the right to pass judgment on people who think differently in places where it is not the expectation/custom.

I have the expectation and custom, therefore I can pass judgement on people who think differently... isn't that the world we live in now?

;)  Unfortunately, yes.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on April 26, 2018, 04:58:27 PM
Lets think about this economically though. My job when I gathered carts was bagger and cart getter.

Do grocery stores still have a position dedicated to "bagger?" I can't remember the last time the person doing the check-out didn't bag the groceries as well. Not commenting on your job, that just jumped out at me.

And I am not going to try and find it to quote it, but "Shopping Cart Sanctuary" was a good one.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 05:05:54 PM
A bagger is required to bag groceries and collect the carts.  As a front end manager, I would set up a rotation so all baggers would spend time getting carts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on April 26, 2018, 05:07:56 PM
Required by what? State law? Store policy? Is this a regional thing?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on April 26, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
I guess in ghetto Phoenix it's customary to be a douche and park carts behind cars. I've only ever seen this done while living in Phoenix. Throughout the years carts have been on islands, in between cars, in empty spaces, on the sidewalk, pushed all the way to the end of the lot where the wheel would lock up, and of course behind cars. I'm guilty of doing all but two, and I can fully admit it's lazy to not walk to the corral and place the cart there, because I don't want to walk half a football field to the nearest cart return. This is the thought process of everyone else as well. It's not customary. It's not a cultural thing. It's being lazy. The cart return is way the fuck in BFE, I don't want to walk over there, I'll just put it out of the way over here. I don't know how putting them behind cars started or how it caught on and became the norm over in the ghetto, but Phoenix is a cesspool and full of assholes. I've worked for Fry's for just about 10 years, and without talking to any of them, I know the 16/17 year old courtesy clerks are not going to want to walk the entire parking lot searching for carts. I know this because I've seen plenty of times the job not getting done. Hell, even when the carts are in the corrals filled to the brim, the job doesn't get done. I've seen this at Walmart too. You can try justifying all you want, and making excuses, but at the end of the day, if you don't want to push the cart to the cart return, you're being lazy, and if said cart return is two spaces over and you still put it in the H Zone, you're being a lazy asshole. Carts in the H Zone still have the potential to roll and hit cars, even if there won't be any damage. I don't want a shopping cart touching my car. Even if you don't care, the next person might.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 26, 2018, 05:17:16 PM
A bagger is required to bag groceries and collect the carts.  As a front end manager, I would set up a rotation so all baggers would spend time getting carts.

I don't think there are that much baggers here in California nowadays ever since 2016 where that thing got passed where convenience stores are not allowed to use plastic bags for groceries.  Shoppers either spend 10 cents for a reusable bag or they bring their own bags.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Required by what? State law? Store policy? Is this a regional thing?

Job requirement.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 05:46:43 PM
A bagger is required to bag groceries and collect the carts.  As a front end manager, I would set up a rotation so all baggers would spend time getting carts.

I don't think there are that much baggers here in California nowadays ever since 2016 where that thing got passed where convenience stores are not allowed to use plastic bags for groceries.  Shoppers either spend 10 cents for a reusable bag or they bring their own bags.

 A lot of grocery stores here in the northeast used to recycle bags. H*** I do to. They're easier to carry. There is one store called Aldi's that are like what you said.  You bag your own. 


Every other grocery store has baggers who get carts as well.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on April 26, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
So, store policy, but if "every other store has baggers" is that regional? No store I have been to in 10 years has had a dedicated bagger position.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
There's baggers in every grocery store where I live except in Aldi's.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 27, 2018, 03:32:55 AM
There's baggers in every grocery store where I live except in Aldi's.
Cause Aldi is German.  ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 27, 2018, 04:19:46 AM
For bad service? :lol

Actually, as a bagger myself 3 decades ago the kids today are not trained correctly.  Putting cans with vegetables is one example of a no no.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: AngelBack on April 27, 2018, 05:04:50 AM
I love how on DTF you can go in Political/Religion threads and civilly discuss racism, abortion, evolution, etc....but in a thread on shopping carts it's pure carnage.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2018, 05:07:22 AM
I love how on DTF you can go in Political/Religion threads and civilly discuss racism, abortion, evolution, etc....but in a thread on shopping carts it's pure carnage.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on April 27, 2018, 05:12:21 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 05:57:49 AM
Depends on the restaurant.  In most cases, if they have those, it is the type of place where they expect you to bus your own table.  But I have been in a couple where I have started to put mine away, only to have staff say not to and that they would do it.  But those are the odd exception.  As with the shopping cart issue, I'd say best rule is to know your environment and what is expected, and act accordingly.

Seriously!?!? Depends on the restaurant?  C'mon now... you're fitting your response to validate your position on carts.  For any of us who worked as teenagers (or who still might) in fast-food, there is 100% expectation that people will throw out their own trash.  Any employee/staff who's said "I'll do it" is doing it as a courtesy to you, not because it's the cultural norm at that establishment.  Waiter-served restaurants - different story.  For you to imply that QSR employees expect to do it for you comes feels like you're only saying so because you refuse to budge on your position regarding carts.

I think we all get it; the norm in your stretch of CA is that most people don't give a fuck to return carts.  However, the corals were built for a purpose - for customers to put their cart there.  They serve no other function.  NorCal (and I'm only stating NorCal because I don't want to 'out' where you live - can't remember if it's actually in your profile) has found a different 'norm', which to most of the people here in this thread would identify as lazy.  You don't, because everyone in your area does it.  Deny it all you want, justify it all you want (because it's your norm), but it's lazy - you can't (or won't) accept it because you don't see it for anything other than your norm.  Generally speaking, you (royal you) not returning the cart isn't for the convenience of your fellow shopper; it isn't for the convenience of store employees.... it's for YOUR (again, royal you) convenience.

Embrace the laziness bosk.  Embrace and own it.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 06:44:09 AM
I've seen one example to support Bosk on the trays.  The Boston Markets near me changed their trash cans and don't have a spot for your to return the tray, the reason is, they want you to leave the garbage and they clean it for you.  That's a relatively new thing and the only spot I've seen personally that was expected of you to not return the tray.  It's funny because you always see people looking where to put it, and eventually they ask and the servers say to just leave it.

I love how on DTF you can go in Political/Religion threads and civilly discuss racism, abortion, evolution, etc....but in a thread on shopping carts it's pure carnage.

 :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 08:16:30 AM
Seriously!?!? Depends on the restaurant?  C'mon now... you're fitting your response to validate your position on carts.  For any of us who worked as teenagers (or who still might) in fast-food, there is 100% expectation that people will throw out their own trash.

I'm not talking about your typical "fast-food" restaurant.  But, yeah, I've been to plenty of places where I or others have literally stopped at the end of the meal and asked one another whether we are supposed to bus our own tables because we legitimately weren't sure.  At a fast food restaurant, yeah, you bus your own and put the tray away.  But the lines get blurred at, say, counter service restaurants where you order at the counter, and they have wait staff that come out and bring you your food.  Sometimes, it's hard to tell.  Most often, if they have the tray rack, it's because you are expected to bus your own.  But sometimes, no, they bus the tables and will tell you that.  And, although that wasn't the question, if they DO bus the tables, it's appropriate to leave a couple of bucks on the table or in the tip jar for the extra service. 

But none of that has anything to do with shopping carts.  Except maybe in the roundabout way of looking at the general rule of:  do what is expected at the establishment you are at.  I guess, in that way, yeah, I do have kind of a common thinking. 

Deny it all you want, justify it all you want (because it's your norm), but it's lazy - you can't (or won't) accept it because you don't see it for anything other than your norm.  Generally speaking, you (royal you) not returning the cart isn't for the convenience of your fellow shopper; it isn't for the convenience of store employees.... it's for YOUR (again, royal you) convenience.

Of course putting the Costco shopping cart at the four corners on occasion is for MY convenience (is there a "royal my"?).  But that doesn't necessarily equate to "laziness."  It equates to "that's what we do here.  Sometimes.  When it is appropriate."
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Post by: Zook on April 27, 2018, 09:14:30 AM
Bosk: Shopping Cart Apologist
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Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 09:17:40 AM
Sure, why not?  :D
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 27, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
From someone who currently works at a grocery store I will put them back in the corral for the rest of my life. Having to search the entire parking lot for them is a bit annoying. Especially on busy days where you have to keep moving to keep at least some amounts of carts in the store.

Though thankfully I haven't had a full shift outside since like September.
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Post by: Kattelox on April 27, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
I asked this exact same question on another forum and got 20 replies all responding (with varying degrees of frustration) "yes," half of which reference the laziness of not putting carts back. Between that and the posters here who have worked those stores (had store employees in the other thread, too) I feel vindicated. Eat my shorts and put the carts back, in that order. :biggrin:
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 27, 2018, 09:28:43 AM

I'm not talking about your typical "fast-food" restaurant.  But, yeah, I've been to plenty of places where I or others have literally stopped at the end of the meal and asked one another whether we are supposed to bus our own tables because we legitimately weren't sure.  At a fast food restaurant, yeah, you bus your own and put the tray away.  But the lines get blurred at, say, counter service restaurants where you order at the counter, and they have wait staff that come out and bring you your food.  Sometimes, it's hard to tell.

Presto Pasta comes to mind here. Drives me insane.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 27, 2018, 09:37:21 AM
Jingle.
Americans and Canadians are vastly different  - cultural norms - expectations of service etc etc.

as another example "taking the bus" . Many MANY American's think it's completely beneath them or a sign of "lower class citizenry" to ride the bus. We have people from large transit authorities coming to Ottawa all the time trying to figure out how we get the rider numbers we get. Perfectly good AMG Mercedes owning people take the bus religiously rather than drive their cars. Aint got nothing to do with class....

I notice in our city many of the shopping cart corale fetcher people are mentally handicapped folks who are happy doing it - and happy to have a meaningful form of employment. I still bring the cart to the corale and I'm happy to do so
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Post by: Chino on April 27, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
Jingle.
Americans and Canadians are vastly different  - cultural norms - expectations of service etc etc.

as another example "taking the bus" . Many MANY American's think it's completely beneath them or a sign of "lower class citizenry" to ride the bus. We have people from large transit authorities coming to Ottawa all the time trying to figure out how we get the rider numbers we get. Perfectly good AMG Mercedes owning people take the bus religiously rather than drive their cars. Aint got nothing to do with class....

I notice in our city many of the shopping cart corale fetcher people are mentally handicapped folks who are happy doing it - and happy to have a meaningful form of employment. I still bring the cart to the corale and I'm happy to do so

I see plenty of well off people in my line of work taking the bus on a daily basis. I tried it for a month and had to abandon it because it's way too slow. The bus added at least 35 minutes to my commute each way, and that's assuming the bus was on time. I can't tell you how many days I waited at the bus stop for an extra 20-30 minutes because a bus never showed. I was leaving my house at 6:00am every morning instead of 6:40, and I was getting home at 5:45 pm or later instead of 5:00pm like when I drive. I'd love to have a public transport option that was actually efficient.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Of course putting the Costco shopping cart at the four corners on occasion is for MY convenience (is there a "royal my"?).  But that doesn't necessarily equate to "laziness."  It equates to "that's what we do here.  Sometimes.  When it is appropriate."

It can be both ya know.   ;)  Lazy:  it's what we do here. :lol

I don't think there's an indictment (at least not from me) of that behaviour if that is the norm for your area/city.  I think the bigger frustration is in the vehemence by which the argument of 'it's perfectly acceptable THEREFORE not lazy".  Again... own the fact that it's perfectly acceptable ... to be lazy.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 10:07:39 AM
Of course putting the Costco shopping cart at the four corners on occasion is for MY convenience (is there a "royal my"?).  But that doesn't necessarily equate to "laziness."  It equates to "that's what we do here.  Sometimes.  When it is appropriate."

It can be both ya know.   ;)  Lazy:  it's what we do here. :lol

I don't think there's an indictment (at least not from me) of that behaviour if that is the norm for your area/city.  I think the bigger frustration is in the vehemence by which the argument of 'it's perfectly acceptable THEREFORE not lazy".  Again... own the fact that it's perfectly acceptable ... to be lazy.

Okay, but my point is subtly different.  The context is that, although not from you, the thread itself absolutely IS a moral indictment (or at least, an attempt at one) from certain people who think their viewpoint MUST be imposed as the cultural norm on all others, and those who fail to comply are somehow moral deviants.  My point in response to that is simply, "not necessarily."  And all I can use to speak to that is my own experience and the like experiences of others around here. 

For some, it might very well be laziness.  Heck, for myself, I can say that on some occasions, it was more laziness than not.  But on plenty of others, laziness had nothing to do with it.  That's all.
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Post by: kingshmegland on April 27, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
I look at it as common courtesy because most carts will travel by themselves with little wind because most parking lots have a slight gradient for drainage.  You don't have to put it in the corral but I can't tell you the times I found a cart that hit me car.  It's enraging.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
I haven't seen carts do that.  But the...I don't know what you call them...the orange platform carts that Home Depot has for lumber and such...THOSE seem to roll with even the slightest pitch.  Plus, you can't really prop those up on a curb on the H.  Those ALWAYS go back in the corral or at the front of the store.  Actually, come to think of it, Home Depot is one of those places where the parking lot is such that there really aren't any good places for the carts other than the corral, so that's one place where I don't think I've left mine anywhere else (and it is a lot more rare to see carts around the lot there as well). 

But, again, that kinda goes to my point anyway, that folks here tend to just go with whatever works in a given situation, taking whatever the circumstances are at a given store into account, and nobody seems bothered about it (well, I shouldn't say "nobody"--I actually once saw a lady rip into someone for leaving his cart on the H.  But she had out of state plates on her car, so there you go).  You can physically see the Costco I mentioned above from the Home Depot parking lot, and if you drive over there, you see carts everywhere.  So it just depends.
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Post by: kingshmegland on April 27, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
It's also bad managing letting the carts pile up but it happens all the time.  Like I said in a previous post.  I set a schedule for those to go outside.  it the weather was nice, they'd have a longer stretch out there.  It the weather was poor.  Shorter shifts getting the carriages.

Funny story.  When I was 16, they called it "Shagging" carriages.   I had a friend who just moved to America from England and I told him that I shagged carriages.  He busted out laughing and told me what it meant in England.(This is before Austin Powers) :lol  I told him I was a whore I guess. :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM
It's also bad managing letting the carts pile up but it happens all the time.  Like I said in a previous post.  I set a schedule for those to go outside.  it the weather was nice, they'd have a longer stretch out there.  It the weather was poor.  Shorter shifts getting the carriages.

Yeah, pretty much.  And some stores are better at it than others.  At said Home Depot, for example, it isn't uncommon to see the corrals full and carts piled up around them.  I usually just take mine back to the front of the store in that case.  But they are so understaffed as it is that I don't get bothered by it.  It just is what it is.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 08, 2018, 06:48:37 AM
Funny story.  When I was 16, they called it "Shagging" carriages.   I had a friend who just moved to America from England and I told him that I shagged carriages.  He busted out laughing and told me what it meant in England.(This is before Austin Powers) :lol  I told him I was a whore I guess. :lol

That reminds me of the moment when I really thought about when my dad used to say "shag ass" to hurry up. Kind of puts stuff like "we better shag ass or we'll be late to church" in a very strange context.
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Post by: Kattelox on May 08, 2018, 08:54:00 AM
Funny story.  When I was 16, they called it "Shagging" carriages.   I had a friend who just moved to America from England and I told him that I shagged carriages.  He busted out laughing and told me what it meant in England.(This is before Austin Powers) :lol  I told him I was a whore I guess. :lol

That reminds me of the moment when I really thought about when my dad used to say "shag ass" to hurry up. Kind of puts stuff like "we better shag ass or we'll be late to church" in a very strange context.

I have never heard that saying before but now I want to use it around my friends. Reminds me of all the stupid/funny things my dad says, like if you're trying to do something but getting nowhere, he'll say "quit fucking with your shorts on"  :lol
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Post by: Snow Dog on May 10, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RZ4MnfT.jpg)

Before the collective blood pressure gets too low - defiant hero, or wretched scourge? ;)


Seen at Target on my lunch break today. Iím a corral user for the record, and donít judge those who donít, but this... This is hilarious.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2018, 02:17:09 PM
:lol  Despite my role as Defender of the Non-Corral Users, I don't get why you would do that. 
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Post by: Kattelox on May 10, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
Yeah. It's not even over the H!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
And there are no barriers on the H to keep it from rolling.  And the corral is RIGHT THERE.  And...yeah...
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Post by: Lethean on May 10, 2018, 02:39:35 PM
I have to confess -  I would totally judge someone for leaving that cart there.  :)
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Post by: Kattelox on May 10, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
And that's why you put the dang carts back in the gosh dang corral.

(https://oi63.tinypic.com/b9j147.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on May 10, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RZ4MnfT.jpg)

Wow Snow Dog. You are right there on the Front Line.

And I thought this photographer had balls.

(https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/05/7a0a7d_9d4b63ba061d45cbbc45b46989b7b9d1-800x538.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2018, 03:08:16 PM
 :lol

But seriously, that's a perfect example why I am so against not putting them back.  This is not an unusual site in NJ.  And it's fairly reasonable to think a person didn't just leave the cart there and it moved there from the wind.
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Post by: sylvan on May 10, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
I brought up this whole discussion to a buddy of mine, cuz let's face it... it's absurd in the bestest of ways! So he sends me a text this afternoon of a cart parked on the H, with the accompanying message, "Some people just want to watch the world burn."
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Post by: Ruba on May 10, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
15 pages about this... I gotta read this thread other time.  :corn

I'm a single dude, my groceries fit into a shopping basket just fine. :biggrin: No need for carts whatsoever... don't think my corner store has any anyway.
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Post by: Elite on May 10, 2018, 03:29:33 PM
And I thought this photographer had balls.

(https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/05/7a0a7d_9d4b63ba061d45cbbc45b46989b7b9d1-800x538.jpg)

what about the guy that took this picture?
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Post by: TAC on May 10, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
Wow, thatís deep, man.
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 10, 2018, 03:45:57 PM
That son of a bitch probably didn't put his cart back before he flew overseas.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
That son of a bitch probably didn't put his cart back before he flew overseas.

Why else would he have that look of regret in his eyes?
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 10, 2018, 05:24:25 PM
Maybe he left the stove on.  I hate that feeling.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2018, 12:22:48 PM
In the continuing explanation of "it depends," here is another situation I encountered today:  Wife wanted me to meet her at a discount place where she had bought a number of items.  I came and loaded them into the car, and was then left with what to do with the empty cart.  This store does not have clerks to retrieve them.  It has no corrals.  It also had a sloped parking lot with no "safe" place to leave carts where they would not roll.  So I took it back inside the store.  The lack of staff to retrieve them and lack of corral outside would have led me to do that anyway.  But the lack of ANYWHERE "safe" to leave them outside the store doubly made that the best choice.  Again, it depends.  This situation is a far cry from the typical Costco run.
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Post by: TAC on May 28, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
Hypocrite.  :lol

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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 12:50:21 PM
Hi Tim.  Look at how far away the corral is.  Any kids outside to take my carriage? Nope.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/650x400q90/921/9B5URX.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pl9B5URXj)


So I walked my cart over and put it in the corral because of management's incompetence to staff correctly.  So I wanted to do the right thing.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/650x600q90/921/2wCJrz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pl2wCJrzj)

IT'S YOUR FAULT TIM THAT CUSTOMERS HAVE TO DO THIS!! :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: TAC on May 28, 2018, 12:56:17 PM
The customer's always gullable right!
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
The customer has to do the manager's job! ;D
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Post by: TAC on May 28, 2018, 01:10:15 PM
Yup..

No baggers
Self Checkout


Definitely!
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2018, 01:40:31 PM
Park closer to the coral next time.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: lonestar on May 28, 2018, 01:57:14 PM
In the continuing explanation of "it depends," here is another situation I encountered today:  Wife wanted me to meet her at a discount place where she had bought a number of items.  I came and loaded them into the car, and was then left with what to do with the empty cart.  This store does not have clerks to retrieve them.  It has no corrals.  It also had a sloped parking lot with no "safe" place to leave carts where they would not roll.  So I took it back inside the store.  The lack of staff to retrieve them and lack of corral outside would have led me to do that anyway.  But the lack of ANYWHERE "safe" to leave them outside the store doubly made that the best choice.  Again, it depends.  This situation is a far cry from the typical Costco run.

I'm calling BS on this one only because where you live is too flat to have any slopes...at all...anywhere...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 02:22:32 PM
Park closer to the coral next time.


I'm harassing Tim.  I have no issues putting my cart in a corral no matter the distance.
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 02:23:58 PM
Yup..

No baggers
Self Checkout


Definitely!

Imagine, they can cut the assistant managers job by doing that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2018, 02:44:43 PM
Park closer to the coral next time.


I'm harassing Tim.  I have no issues putting my cart in a corral no matter the distance.

That's cuz you're a suckah!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
That's because I don't want my cart to ding someone's car like it's happened to me 5 times in my life.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
In the continuing explanation of "it depends," here is another situation I encountered today:  Wife wanted me to meet her at a discount place where she had bought a number of items.  I came and loaded them into the car, and was then left with what to do with the empty cart.  This store does not have clerks to retrieve them.  It has no corrals.  It also had a sloped parking lot with no "safe" place to leave carts where they would not roll.  So I took it back inside the store.  The lack of staff to retrieve them and lack of corral outside would have led me to do that anyway.  But the lack of ANYWHERE "safe" to leave them outside the store doubly made that the best choice.  Again, it depends.  This situation is a far cry from the typical Costco run.

I'm calling BS on this one only because where you live is too flat to have any slopes...at all...anywhere...

:lol  You must have forgotten where I live then.
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Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
You should've put it back there regardless of whether or not they had staff to do it, because you're already there and closer to the corral than the employee and by god that cart could have gone rogue between the time you left it there and whenever the employees get to it.

*goes back to stewing miserably in the corner*  :lol :2metal:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: lonestar on May 28, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
In the continuing explanation of "it depends," here is another situation I encountered today:  Wife wanted me to meet her at a discount place where she had bought a number of items.  I came and loaded them into the car, and was then left with what to do with the empty cart.  This store does not have clerks to retrieve them.  It has no corrals.  It also had a sloped parking lot with no "safe" place to leave carts where they would not roll.  So I took it back inside the store.  The lack of staff to retrieve them and lack of corral outside would have led me to do that anyway.  But the lack of ANYWHERE "safe" to leave them outside the store doubly made that the best choice.  Again, it depends.  This situation is a far cry from the typical Costco run.

I'm calling BS on this one only because where you live is too flat to have any slopes...at all...anywhere...

:lol  You must have forgotten where I live then.

Actually I don't know specifically what part you live, but damn is Sac flat man.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2018, 04:53:22 PM
In the continuing explanation of "it depends," here is another situation I encountered today:  Wife wanted me to meet her at a discount place where she had bought a number of items.  I came and loaded them into the car, and was then left with what to do with the empty cart.  This store does not have clerks to retrieve them.  It has no corrals.  It also had a sloped parking lot with no "safe" place to leave carts where they would not roll.  So I took it back inside the store.  The lack of staff to retrieve them and lack of corral outside would have led me to do that anyway.  But the lack of ANYWHERE "safe" to leave them outside the store doubly made that the best choice.  Again, it depends.  This situation is a far cry from the typical Costco run.

I'm calling BS on this one only because where you live is too flat to have any slopes...at all...anywhere...

:lol  You must have forgotten where I live then.

Actually I don't know specifically what part you live, but damn is Sac flat man.

Yes, but I live in the foothills. 
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
With his cornpipe, rocking chair and a shotgun.  AMIRITE? :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
No pipe.  But otherwise...let's just say you didn't miss the mark by much.  :lol

NOW SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
 :lol

king = Ned Beatty.   :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
Hi Tim.  Look at how far away the corral is.  Any kids outside to take my carriage? Nope.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/650x400q90/921/9B5URX.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pl9B5URXj)


So I walked my cart over and put it in the corral because of management's incompetence to staff correctly.  So I wanted to do the right thing.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/650x600q90/921/2wCJrz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pl2wCJrzj)

IT'S YOUR FAULT TIM THAT CUSTOMERS HAVE TO DO THIS!! :lol :lol :lol

it's like the flight attendant always says: "And keep in mind, your nearest exit corral may be behind you."

Haha.
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
Busy day at the grocery! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: lonestar on May 29, 2018, 08:11:13 AM
No pipe.  But otherwise...let's just say you didn't miss the mark by much.  :lol

NOW SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!

Sacramento is the Midwest of California.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 08:31:37 AM
So... went to the gym last weekend, found some stray carts in front of the gym where I usually park. This parking lot is absolutely massive, even if you filled up every single parking space you'd still have the other half of the plaza in front of the parking spaces that's just empty pavement. At the end of the plaza (it's just one gigantic rectangle essentially, with a horizontal row of businesses at the end) you have a strip of small businesses and then taking up almost half the strip on the right is Rural King, a massive farm supply store that's a chain in the midwest. Okay, so, their side of the lot is usually busy, the rest of the lot (probably 60% of the whole plaza) is spacious. There's usually less than 10 cars at a time on the entire side of the plaza. It's several hundred feet from Rural King to the gym, to give you an idea...

Someone who went to RK decided to park hundreds of feet away, and drag the carts all the way over there. Then they left 'em there. So I parked my shiny, newly painted car way out in the boonies to avoid the carts. I go in and do my cardio and stare at them, only to see them start to move as the wind picks up. Immediately left and dragged those fuckers back to RK myself to completely eliminate any chance of them rolling my way or into anyone else's car. I wish I took pictures of the lot to give you an idea of how big this place is and how asinine it is to park that far away when you know you'll get a cart and then drag the cart that far away and leave it there, especially in a lot that is not entirely flat (I've seen shopping carts in the grass on the other end of the plaza).

The sad thing is... that's the umpteenth time I've seen that. Too often I see people dragging carts to the other end of the plaza because they didn't park closer... Put your $&*%ing carts up and stop being lazy
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Post by: sylvan on August 24, 2018, 09:12:47 AM
I was parking at the grocery store the other day, turned down a row to pull into a spot, and I see a rolling cart. It clearly came from the spot I was parking in, left by the asshole that just drove away. Luckily I had enough time to get out, run over (recovering from hip surgery), and save the car 70 ft. away... Took a pic of the cart, in motion, middle of the drive, and sent it to a friend I mentioned this discussion to. His response, "Some people just wanna watch the world burn..." :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2018, 09:38:34 AM
???  Why are there shopping carts at the gym?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
???  Why are there shopping carts at the gym?

I thought I explained that, but I'll try again...

The plaza is one freaking massive parking lot. At the end of the lot is a horizontal line (strip) of buildings. On the left half are a bunch of small businesses - beauty supply store, restaurant, small churches, the 24/7 gym - and on the right is one massive store, Rural King, that shares one of its walls with the business directly next store. RK's side of the lot/plaza is almost half of the plaza, they have a couple corrals right there for easy storing. It takes several hundred feet of walking to get from RK to where these carts were, directly in front of the gym. Someone brought the carts from the intended store all the way out into the boonies. Which means an employee would have to take time to walk all over the plaza (I've seen an employee do this while I was in the gym, actually, and it took him around 10 minutes to go gather up one cart at the completely opposite end of the plaza, in the grass, with some others). This happens all the time... because people don't put things away when they're done using them.

EDIT: By god, I managed to find an actual photo of the very lot I'm talking about. Looks like it's years old but the layout (and sparse number of vehicles) is exactly the same. There's a whole lot of real estate on the left that isn't in the photo.

(https://www.billburmaster.com/lecentre/images/rkrantoulil0717.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on August 24, 2018, 09:57:45 AM
???  Why are there shopping carts at the gym?

To pick up chicks of course.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2018, 09:58:24 AM
So the gym shares a parking lot with these stores that have shopping carts?  (I don't know what "RK" is, so that's part of the confusion).  I guess that makes more sense now then.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
So the gym shares a parking lot with these stores that have shopping carts?  (I don't know what "RK" is, so that's part of the confusion).  I guess that makes more sense now then.

Sigh... it's explained right there in the first post, dude. But yes, it does. And much to my amazement, there's no shortage of people who park way on the other end in front of the other stores, then drag carts from RK all the way over there and just leave them there (the lot dips greatly on that other side, as well, and in winter it also becomes an ice rink, so)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on August 24, 2018, 10:06:23 AM
*wags finger*

You boys need to settle down.  :lol


Joking, and no offense intended. Just trying to diffuse tension. :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
Only the Sword of a Thousand Truths is sharp enough to cut this tension. And one of those truths is that SHOPPING CARTS GO IN THE CORRAL.  :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2018, 10:17:20 AM
Ok zombie.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 10:19:08 AM
Ok zombie.

I don't know what this means.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on August 24, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
So the gym shares a parking lot with these stores that have shopping carts?  (I don't know what "RK" is, so that's part of the confusion).  I guess that makes more sense now then.

Apparently, "Rural King" is some sort of "everything under one roof" store.  It's "America's Farm and Home Store" and seems to be a combination Home Depot/sporting goods/hunting/toy/grocery/clothing store, primarily in Florida and the Great Lakes states.

Kattelox, I'm thinking maybe you need to carry a Tensator barrier in your car or something.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2018, 01:30:42 PM
Ok zombie.

I don't know what this means.  :lol

(https://i.imgflip.com/2giom2.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2giom2) (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 24, 2018, 01:38:53 PM
Kattelox, I'm thinking maybe you need to carry a Tensator barrier in your car or something.

 :lol

(https://i.imgflip.com/2giom2.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2giom2) (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

No! It's not because the store tells you to, but because it's common decency! You should do it out of respect for those around you and their vehicles and not leaving the store's property all over the got dang place!

(https://i.imgur.com/sQb6JNz.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on August 24, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
For the record, all carts go back in the corral...CORRECTLY. If you've ever worked parking lot duty in retail, you know the huge sigh you make when you see all the dumbasses with the carts backwards, sideways, etc., in the f'in corral. Bunch of degenerates.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on August 28, 2018, 01:57:17 PM

No! It's not because the store tells you to, but because it's common decency! You should do it out of respect for those around you and their vehicles and not leaving the store's property all over the got dang place!


What is your opinion on courtesy flushing? I personally don't do it, and I'll explain why. You see, I have no intentions of stinking up the bathroom, but such is life. I also don't want to give the person who may be waiting the wrong idea. "The toilet flushed! They're coming out!" The last thing I want is someone getting impatient because the toilet flushed and they start banging on the door. I mean, if I have the shits, and I've courtesy flushed right when someone is in earshot, I can't exactly say "just a minute", and I definitely don't want to say, "I have the shits, I'll be in here a while!"
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on August 28, 2018, 02:07:52 PM
I forgot to mention this, but the Sunday before last, I witnessed a Costco employee roving the parking lot, pulling carts off of curbs and putting them in a corral. I started laughing out loud and Mrs. P asked me what was so funny. I told her about this thread and some posters attitude about putting carts in the corral. In a very Hef like manner, she lowered her eyebrows and said, "You I need to stop spending time around people who intellectualize being assholes."  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on August 28, 2018, 02:16:23 PM
 :lol

Oh and this past Sunday,

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/meiXgZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pomeiXgZj)


ARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on August 28, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
If you've ever worked parking lot duty in retail, you know the huge sigh you make when you see all the dumbasses with the carts backwards, sideways, etc., in the f'in corral. Bunch of degenerates.  :lol

What is "Parking lot duty?" Wouldn't retrieving carts not returned to the corral or arranging them properly while in the corral be part of the job and thus not worthy of a huge sigh? If all the carts were properly returned, would a store even need someone on that duty? I get that it makes it a little harder, but it's not like being a hotel housekeeper or pool cleaner and having Keith Moon stay at your establishment.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on August 28, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
If all the carts were properly returned, would a store even need someone on that duty?

BINGO!!!!!

The entire reason they're there.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 28, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
:lol

Oh and this past Sunday,

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/meiXgZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pomeiXgZj)


ARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!

I could make a career out of producing Darwin awards.  Only problem is, there would never be enough to go around.  :rollin
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 28, 2018, 04:06:34 PM
If all the carts were properly returned, would a store even need someone on that duty?

BINGO!!!!!

The entire reason they're there.

Except you managers mishandle hours cutting these kids leaving hour gaps with anyone out there.   I bet the carts were made to save you jacjasses money. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 28, 2018, 04:42:21 PM
What is your opinion on courtesy flushing? I personally don't do it, and I'll explain why. You see, I have no intentions of stinking up the bathroom, but such is life. I also don't want to give the person who may be waiting the wrong idea. "The toilet flushed! They're coming out!" The last thing I want is someone getting impatient because the toilet flushed and they start banging on the door. I mean, if I have the shits, and I've courtesy flushed right when someone is in earshot, I can't exactly say "just a minute", and I definitely don't want to say, "I have the shits, I'll be in here a while!"

This is a shitty question. (https://i.imgur.com/glZRFvH.gif)

Seriously, though: I don't think this is a comparable situation. I also don't shit in public as long as I can help it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 28, 2018, 04:43:31 PM
I forgot to mention this, but the Sunday before last, I witnessed a Costco employee roving the parking lot, pulling carts off of curbs and putting them in a corral. I started laughing out loud and Mrs. P asked me what was so funny. I told her about this thread and some posters attitude about putting carts in the corral. In a very Hef like manner, she lowered her eyebrows and said, "You I need to stop spending time around people who intellectualize being assholes."  :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 28, 2018, 04:52:06 PM
I didn't think this would ever happen to me, but when I was near a 99 cents store, I saw shopping carts all over the place and they blocked three parking spots that I wanted to park at and this parking lot is pretty busy filled with lots of restaurants and stores.

You think people would have the decency to consider other people parking in a very busy lot and understand how hard it is to get a spot.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
If all the carts were properly returned, would a store even need someone on that duty?

BINGO!!!!!

The entire reason they're there.

And make no mistake, we pay for those people.  It's not a courtesy eaten by the store.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2018, 06:42:30 PM

No! It's not because the store tells you to, but because it's common decency! You should do it out of respect for those around you and their vehicles and not leaving the store's property all over the got dang place!


What is your opinion on courtesy flushing? I personally don't do it, and I'll explain why. You see, I have no intentions of stinking up the bathroom, but such is life. I also don't want to give the person who may be waiting the wrong idea. "The toilet flushed! They're coming out!" The last thing I want is someone getting impatient because the toilet flushed and they start banging on the door. I mean, if I have the shits, and I've courtesy flushed right when someone is in earshot, I can't exactly say "just a minute", and I definitely don't want to say, "I have the shits, I'll be in here a while!"

I always courtesy flush. it is, after all, a courtesy.  If there's a line, I'm pushing it out as fast as I can anyway (though, like Kattleox, I'm probably not shitting in a full room to start with).  If there's no line, or an open stall, it's a moot point.  But I have the philosophy of "minimizing my social footprinttm, and included in that is not leaving a toxic cloud where I lay my cable.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2018, 04:20:53 AM
What's more awkward, explaining to someone waiting to shit that your flush was a courtesy and you need more time or having the person waiting in your stink but avoid the convo?  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 29, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
What's more awkward, explaining to someone waiting to shit that your flush was a courtesy and you need more time or having the person waiting in your stink but avoid the convo?  :lol

So true, lose, lose  :lol

Additionally, most public toilets that I use nowadays (primarily the ones at my office) are those auto - flush ones, so the courtesy flush now requires me to awkwardly half-stand up to try to get it to flush. Usually not worth the effort.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 29, 2018, 09:59:44 AM
What's more awkward, explaining to someone waiting to shit that your flush was a courtesy and you need more time or having the person waiting in your stink but avoid the convo?  :lol

So true, lose, lose  :lol

Additionally, most public toilets that I use nowadays (primarily the ones at my office) are those auto - flush ones, so the courtesy flush now requires me to awkwardly half-stand up to try to get it to flush. Usually not worth the effort.

I hate those things.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2018, 10:04:02 AM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on August 29, 2018, 10:09:20 AM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.

My company moved into a new office building about 2 years ago and this building plays the same music from the lobby in all the restrooms. It's awesome. Totally adds that background level of sound to drown out some unpleasant noises.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2018, 10:12:25 AM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.

Would you rather someone be on the phone?  That's even more annoying.  If someone is in the stall next to me on the phone, i make sure I courtesy flush (even if not necessary) so who ever is on the other end knows he is in the bathroom while talking to you.

What I really can't stand are those damn timed lights in bathrooms, specifically at work.  I get paid by the hour, you think I'm rushing to shit?  Those lights turning off on me means I need to either get up mid shit and move the door so the lights come back on, or risk having someone come in on me shitting in the dark.  I'm yet to have someone walk in on me trying to turn the lights on with my pants around my ankles though, that will be a rough day but I sense it is coming.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on August 29, 2018, 10:14:43 AM
I think I've mentioned it before but at my job we have the one restroom. No stall, just a small room with the essentials, y'know. Sometimes we throw firecrackers under the door to literally scare the shit out of coworkers, or blast an airgun in there. Much more fun than all those fancy auto-lights and auto-flushers :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
 :lol
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Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2018, 10:45:16 AM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.

A good part of the reason I only use public when I absolutely have to.   The whole experience is... Bear Grylls laughs at me. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: lonestar on August 29, 2018, 10:47:31 AM
This thread just reminded me of something. I knew a dude in AA that used to make his sponsees go to stores and randomly put all the loose shopping carts back in the corral, and just leave. It was one of his ways to teach them to be useful and introduce a little humility.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on August 29, 2018, 10:51:27 AM
You should send him the address of bosk1's Costco. A target rich environment.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on August 29, 2018, 11:07:42 AM
:lol

Oh and this past Sunday,

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/meiXgZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pomeiXgZj)


ARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!

I assume the issue with this photo is the silver minivan that's parked over the line.  Right?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
You should send him the address of bosk1's Costco. A target rich environment.

Or pretty much ANY Costco in Northern California, from what I've seen. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on August 29, 2018, 11:11:36 AM
You should send him the address of bosk1's Costco. A target rich environment.

Or pretty much ANY Costco in Northern California, from what I've seen.

Right. My bad. I should have said bosk1's area code or zip code not Costco.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2018, 11:15:42 AM
???  What does that have to do with what I just said?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on August 29, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
Nothing, I guess.

:emo:









General direction?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
:lol

Oh and this past Sunday,

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/meiXgZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pomeiXgZj)


ARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!

I assume the issue with this photo is the silver minivan that's parked over the line.  Right?

Since you mention it... 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 29, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.

A good part of the reason I only use public when I absolutely have to.   The whole experience is... Bear Grylls laughs at me.
Naw, I try to always be proud of my dumps.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Implode on August 29, 2018, 02:21:04 PM
Speaking of public restrooms....on an unrelated note...but can we PLEASE put music in there? It's so god damn awkward to either be in there with someone taking a dump, or be the guy taking a dump while another person's there....in complete dead silence. Ugh.

A good part of the reason I only use public when I absolutely have to.   The whole experience is... Bear Grylls laughs at me.
Naw, I try to always be proud of my dumps.

What happens in the bathrooms is a sin and we shouldn't even acknowledge any of the those shameful acts. If there are other people in the bathrooms, they don't exist. Human interaction doesn't exist. Time doesn't exist. Get it, take care of business, get out. Anything that makes the experience more forgettable is an improvement.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on August 29, 2018, 02:49:06 PM
If you've ever worked parking lot duty in retail, you know the huge sigh you make when you see all the dumbasses with the carts backwards, sideways, etc., in the f'in corral. Bunch of degenerates.  :lol

What is "Parking lot duty?" Wouldn't retrieving carts not returned to the corral or arranging them properly while in the corral be part of the job and thus not worthy of a huge sigh? If all the carts were properly returned, would a store even need someone on that duty? I get that it makes it a little harder, but it's not like being a hotel housekeeper or pool cleaner and having Keith Moon stay at your establishment.

That's a damn good point.  :lol

All I can say is...collecting those carts is a bitch, particularly in the snow. I worked at a now bankrupt department store chain called Caldor (almost exactly like Target, same colors and everything) in the mid-90s, for a couple of years while in college. I still have nightmares collecting those m'fing carts in the snow.
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Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 02:57:03 PM
I remember Caldor!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
My mom would go shopping and I'd stay in Caldor watching TV until it was time to leave.  Lol.

I saw Police Squad for the first time there. :lol
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Post by: Samsara on August 29, 2018, 03:52:00 PM
My mom would go shopping and I'd stay in Caldor watching TV until it was time to leave.  Lol.

I saw Police Squad for the first time there. :lol

I worked the second shift in Sight and Sound. I used to crank Queensryche, Dream Theater, and some other bands after the boss went home at 5. (I worked 2-10). It was pretty cool.
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Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
I remember Caldor!

I used to go to Caldor with my grandma; they sometimes had good records. 
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Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
I discovered Lucifer's Friend in the bargain bin at Woolworth.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
I discovered Lucifer's Friend in the bargain bin at Woolworth.

Pretty harsh referring to King that way.  And I didn't even know he hung out at Woolworth, but I guess it kinda makes sense.
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
I discovered Lucifer's Friend in the bargain bin at Woolworth.

I discovered grilled cheese and dots on a paper there. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
I discovered Lucifer's Friend in the bargain bin at Woolworth.

Pretty harsh referring to King that way.  And I didn't even know he hung out at Woolworth, but I guess it kinda makes sense.

Well, they had a lunch counter, so I figured it was as good of place as any to start.




(and literally as I'm typing, this gets posted)


I discovered grilled cheese and dots on a paper there. :lol

See Bosk? See? :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
:rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
 :lol

Hey! My grandma took me there! Lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
That actually sounds a lot like a store we used to have out here called Gemco.  In fact, the one I had near me was actually replaced by a Target in that same location after Gemco went under.  I don't think anybody had yet heard of Target, so that was interesting.  And, yeah, Gemco had music too.  I remember seeing Y&T cassettes there, but can't remember if I actually bought any.  I got most or all of them from The Wherehouse.
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Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
I discovered Lucifer's Friend in the bargain bin at Woolworth.

Pretty harsh referring to King that way.  And I didn't even know he hung out at Woolworth, but I guess it kinda makes sense.

Well, they had a lunch counter, so I figured it was as good of place as any to start.




(and literally as I'm typing, this gets posted)


I discovered grilled cheese and dots on a paper there. :lol

See Bosk? See? :lol

YES!   My grandma took me there too; she'd sit at the lunch counter, drinking coffee, and I'd go to the record bin there - you could get cassettes for like a $1.00; I got the first four Sabbath tapes there, and a Yes tape (Fragile I think).  Then I'd go to Karl Graf's (a local record store) by 12" singles then come back and join Gram and have a hot dog.   Good times.

I miss my grandma a lot, to this day, and it's been 25 years.   
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
I used to hide in the round clothing racks.  Perfect hiding spots.
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Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 04:28:49 PM
I used to hide in the round clothing racks.  Perfect hiding spots.

Yup.

My brother and I used to have gun fights with sock hangers. We called them eenie guns.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/513jfyO74wL._SX342_.jpg)
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Listen to us old bastards. :biggrin:
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Post by: Kattelox on August 29, 2018, 06:08:01 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.   
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Post by: Adami on August 29, 2018, 06:44:19 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

King.........do you need to talk to someone about this?
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Post by: Kattelox on August 29, 2018, 06:44:52 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

I need an adult! A different adult!
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Zook on August 29, 2018, 06:59:17 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

I need an adult! A different adult!

:tup
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Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vG-eEsUB9U
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 29, 2018, 07:11:46 PM
That works.   Lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 04:56:45 AM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

My christmas's are a bit different than this...
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 30, 2018, 05:39:31 AM
Your lucky I had change already when we parked. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 05:59:15 AM
Yea you would need it for a cart in germany
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 30, 2018, 06:15:03 AM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

My christmas's are a bit different than this...

"Marc, come here and unzip Grampie's pants" ??
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 30, 2018, 06:20:50 AM
No.  Want a cookie left for Santa?  Lol
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Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2018, 06:57:39 AM
It's like Christmas at my grandparents' all over again.

Come here.  Reach in my pocket for a nickel.

My christmas's are a bit different than this...

"Marc, come here and unzip Grampie's pants" ??

HAHAHA.  That got my computer a face full of coffee. 
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Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 08:02:00 AM
THIS IS NOT MY CHRISTMAS!
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Post by: Kattelox on August 30, 2018, 08:03:05 AM
There aren't even presents! WTF!
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 30, 2018, 09:17:47 AM
There aren't even presents! WTF!

But there sure are surprises!
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Post by: Indiscipline on August 30, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Scenes from a Vacation:

Wife: "Alex, what the fock are you doing there?"

Me: "A message board, music stuff. Good people."

Wife:"Really?"

Me: "Sure, come read. See? They even worry about your car at the parking lot, and the rogue carts and  ... SHITFOCK!"

*Pretends iPad failure*
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Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 09:49:42 AM
Welcome to my daily life.
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Post by: Indiscipline on August 30, 2018, 09:56:16 AM
Bosk, hit me hard, how many internet devices have you destroyed due to my Scenes thread alone?
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Post by: Kattelox on August 30, 2018, 10:26:14 AM
There aren't even presents! WTF!

But there sure are surprises!

 :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
Bosk, hit me hard, how many internet devices have you destroyed due to my Scenes thread alone?

:lol  Counting my work computer?
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 30, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
My wife calls you all nerds and she's met a ton of you. Lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
I'm proud to be a nerd  :coolio
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Post by: pg1067 on August 30, 2018, 11:58:05 AM
That actually sounds a lot like a store we used to have out here called Gemco.  In fact, the one I had near me was actually replaced by a Target in that same location after Gemco went under.  I don't think anybody had yet heard of Target, so that was interesting.  And, yeah, Gemco had music too.  I remember seeing Y&T cassettes there, but can't remember if I actually bought any.  I got most or all of them from The Wherehouse.

I remember Gemco and Fedco (wasn't it the case for a while that only persons with certain jobs could become "members" of Fedco?)....and Service Merchandise and Best Products.  Going back even further, I remember Zody's and Kress (although both of those were gone before I was a teenager.  I probably failed to put shopping carts in the corrals at all of those places!  Mwahahahahaha!
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Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 12:12:13 PM
That actually sounds a lot like a store we used to have out here called Gemco.  In fact, the one I had near me was actually replaced by a Target in that same location after Gemco went under.  I don't think anybody had yet heard of Target, so that was interesting.  And, yeah, Gemco had music too.  I remember seeing Y&T cassettes there, but can't remember if I actually bought any.  I got most or all of them from The Wherehouse.

I remember Gemco and Fedco (wasn't it the case for a while that only persons with certain jobs could become "members" of Fedco?)....and Service Merchandise and Best Products.  Going back even further, I remember Zody's and Kress (although both of those were gone before I was a teenager.  I probably failed to put shopping carts int he corrals at all of those places!  Mwahahahahaha!

I vaguely remember Fedco.  There was a building literally across the street from the Gemco I mentioned that started as a Service Merchandise and then was taken over by Best.  The first company I was aware of that had that model of using a catalog to order at the counter and they would bring you your stuff was Consumers (I forget their whole name).  Back when Kenner launched the first 12 Star Wars action figures (after the first four were only available through the Early Bird pack, which I had), my great grandmother would take me to Consumers every time I managed to save up my $2.15 to buy another action figure.  I got 11 of the first twelve.  Never did find that Sandpeople figure.  And I had the cloth robed Jawa, not the original vinyl one.  (the cloth one looked a LOT better, but the other one was worth more since it was more rare)  Anyhow...

Never heard of Zody's and Kress.  Maybe they didn't have them up here.
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Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
Here in New England it was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise.   There was a Sears, but that was classy, and Kresge's, which became Kmart (and now actually Kmart and Sears are co-owned) but the big three (at least where I was) was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise. 
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Post by: pg1067 on August 30, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
That actually sounds a lot like a store we used to have out here called Gemco.  In fact, the one I had near me was actually replaced by a Target in that same location after Gemco went under.  I don't think anybody had yet heard of Target, so that was interesting.  And, yeah, Gemco had music too.  I remember seeing Y&T cassettes there, but can't remember if I actually bought any.  I got most or all of them from The Wherehouse.

I remember Gemco and Fedco (wasn't it the case for a while that only persons with certain jobs could become "members" of Fedco?)....and Service Merchandise and Best Products.  Going back even further, I remember Zody's and Kress (although both of those were gone before I was a teenager.  I probably failed to put shopping carts int he corrals at all of those places!  Mwahahahahaha!

I vaguely remember Fedco.  There was a building literally across the street from the Gemco I mentioned that started as a Service Merchandise and then was taken over by Best.  The first company I was aware of that had that model of using a catalog to order at the counter and they would bring you your stuff was Consumers (I forget their whole name).  Back when Kenner launched the first 12 Star Wars action figures (after the first four were only available through the Early Bird pack, which I had), my great grandmother would take me to Consumers every time I managed to save up my $2.15 to buy another action figure.  I got 11 of the first twelve.  Never did find that Sandpeople figure.  And I had the cloth robed Jawa, not the original vinyl one.  (the cloth one looked a LOT better, but the other one was worth more since it was more rare)  Anyhow...

Never heard of Zody's and Kress.  Maybe they didn't have them up here.

Not to get off track, but do you still have any of that original Star Wars merch?

Zody's was Socal based, and there were stores in CA, NV, AZ and NM (as well as Michigan after a bad acquisition).  There was a Kress in Berkeley, but I think most/all Zody's and Kress stores were gone by the early 80s.


Here in New England it was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise.   There was a Sears, but that was classy, and Kresge's, which became Kmart (and now actually Kmart and Sears are co-owned) but the big three (at least where I was) was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise. 

I remember a lot of the commercials for K-Tel compilation albums would have tags that talked about them being available at Woolworth and Woolco stores.

At some point in the mid/late-80s, I bought a semi-auto rifle (a Ruger Mini-14) at Service Merchandise.  My how times have changed.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 12:27:49 PM
Here in New England it was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise.   There was a Sears, but that was classy, and Kresge's, which became Kmart (and now actually Kmart and Sears are co-owned) but the big three (at least where I was) was Woolworth's, Caldor and Service Merchandise.

I remember service merchandise as a kid, and the local kmart is gone now and sears should be gone soon as well. 
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Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 12:31:15 PM
Not to get off track, but do you still have any of that original Star Wars merch?

Don't I wish!
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Post by: Kattelox on August 30, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
Just go buy more. Fill a cart full of them, even...  :biggrin:
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 30, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
Not to get off track, but do you still have any of that original Star Wars merch?

Don't I wish!
.

My brother has his 1st edition Millennium Falcon.  Thing is 3 feet.  He never takes it out anymore.
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Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
That actually sounds a lot like a store we used to have out here called Gemco.  In fact, the one I had near me was actually replaced by a Target in that same location after Gemco went under.  I don't think anybody had yet heard of Target, so that was interesting.  And, yeah, Gemco had music too.  I remember seeing Y&T cassettes there, but can't remember if I actually bought any.  I got most or all of them from The Wherehouse.

I remember Gemco and Fedco (wasn't it the case for a while that only persons with certain jobs could become "members" of Fedco?)....and Service Merchandise and Best Products.  Going back even further, I remember Zody's and Kress (although both of those were gone before I was a teenager.  I probably failed to put shopping carts int he corrals at all of those places!  Mwahahahahaha!

I vaguely remember Fedco.  There was a building literally across the street from the Gemco I mentioned that started as a Service Merchandise and then was taken over by Best.  The first company I was aware of that had that model of using a catalog to order at the counter and they would bring you your stuff was Consumers (I forget their whole name).  Back when Kenner launched the first 12 Star Wars action figures (after the first four were only available through the Early Bird pack, which I had), my great grandmother would take me to Consumers every time I managed to save up my $2.15 to buy another action figure.  I got 11 of the first twelve.  Never did find that Sandpeople figure.  And I had the cloth robed Jawa, not the original vinyl one.  (the cloth one looked a LOT better, but the other one was worth more since it was more rare)  Anyhow...

Never heard of Zody's and Kress.  Maybe they didn't have them up here.

I have that Jawa figure somewhere.  With the cloth.  It was my favorite figure by far (though Darth and the stormtrooper were a close second).
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Post by: Samsara on August 30, 2018, 02:01:28 PM
Comic shop by me has that original Darth Vader action figure carrying case we all had back in the day. Every time I go in, I cry how much money I could have now have.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on August 30, 2018, 02:02:09 PM
Comic shop by me has that original Darth Vader action figure carrying case we all had back in the day. Every time I go in, I cry how much money I could have now have.  :lol

What are they asking for it?
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Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 02:25:00 PM
Comic shop by me has that original Darth Vader action figure carrying case we all had back in the day. Every time I go in, I cry how much money I could have now have.  :lol

I had the original one rather than the Vader one that came out later:  https://www.ebay.com/i/182813768981?chn=ps  (and don't ask me why that poser is trying to pawn off Buck Rogers action figures as Star Wars action figures)
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Post by: Kattelox on August 31, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
 :censored

(https://i63.tinypic.com/2j47oeg.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on August 31, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
I think Lamont Sanford would find that his new blue truck is safe.
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 31, 2018, 06:37:13 PM
Tim, you know how to zoom?! :lol
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Post by: Kattelox on August 31, 2018, 08:19:18 PM
Oh my god TAC, even your references are old enough to be my father  :lol
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Post by: TAC on August 31, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/7d/70/857d70cd5e0f58a03d565c7c552aef29.jpg)
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Post by: Kattelox on August 31, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
I guess I can't talk when I recognize Welcome Back Kotter.

I also read that in his voice. Like, omigod, Mr. TAC, good meme.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on August 31, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
 ;D ;D
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 31, 2018, 09:13:20 PM
Oh my god TAC, even your references are old enough to be my father  :lol

Seriously.

I guess I can't talk when I recognize Welcome Back Kotter.

I also read that in his voice. Like, omigod, Mr. TAC, good meme.  :lol

In his Mr. Rodger's sweater.
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Post by: Stadler on September 03, 2018, 08:01:16 AM
I think Lamont Sanford would find that his new blue truck is safe.

This is gold. 
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Post by: pg1067 on September 04, 2018, 12:51:35 PM
:censored

(https://i63.tinypic.com/2j47oeg.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B-mxyOsqft8/WQqcGhMO_OI/AAAAAAAArqc/dfrdWtpjV9gaggmtp7_-DZGVzGUB80T-gCLcB/s1600/ItsTheBigOne.jpeg)
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Post by: Samsara on September 06, 2018, 11:06:05 AM
:censored

(https://i63.tinypic.com/2j47oeg.jpg)

This should be bosk1's profile pic.
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Post by: pg1067 on September 10, 2018, 12:24:08 PM
I went to the grocery store yesterday and pulled into a space.  Shopping carts were sitting at both points of the "H" between my space and the space in front of me, and I couldn't help but think of this thread.  The carts were still there when I got back to my car and, since the space in front of me wasn't occupied, rather than backing out of my space, I drove straight, between the two carts, and out the other side -- all the while hailing the people who had left their carts perfectly placed so that I could do that.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 10, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Clearly, you are doing this thread wrong and just don't get it.  The cart placement is clearly an affront to everything decent in the world, despite the fact that it impacted precisely no one.
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
Clearly, you are doing this thread wrong and just don't get it.  The cart placement is clearly an affront to everything decent in the world, despite the fact that it impacted precisely no one.

You just jinxed yourself.
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Post by: eric42434224 on September 10, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
I spoke to my Brother-In-Law who handles claims at a large Auto Insurer, as well as my Wife's Uncle, who is a supervisor at another VERY large multi line insurer.
This was like over a month ago, and I totally forgot about it until I read this thread again.
They both said there are shit loads of calls that come in regarding damage to cars from shopping carts.  They rarely make a claim, as the Store isn't liable, and the person who put it there is usually long gone.  But it clearly impacts precisely a shit ton of people.  And due to the deductibles, they end up paying out of pocket to fix it, if they fix it at all.

I did ask them if any of those carts that damaged their policy holders' cars were in a Cart Corral.  They thought I was joking, and looked at me funny, and promptly started drinking their beers again.
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Post by: pg1067 on September 10, 2018, 03:30:19 PM
The more this thread goes on, the more I feel like there's a really good video game to be made here  I'm picturing something with 80s/early 90s graphics (a la Paperboy).
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 03:39:19 PM
The more this thread goes on, the more I feel like there's a really good video game to be made here  I'm picturing something with 80s/early 90s graphics (a la Paperboy).

Leisure Suit Larry. :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on September 10, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
Paperboy was AWESOME!  I used to love busting windows on the haunted house.  And busting dogs in the chops with newspapers.  As an actual paperboy at the time, it allowed me to vent a lot of pent-up frustration.  :lol
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
The more this thread goes on, the more I feel like there's a really good video game to be made here  I'm picturing something with 80s/early 90s graphics (a la Paperboy).

I can see it. And the further along you go, the less people seem to care about it and you have to cause more and more damage to get their attention. Bosk can be the final level where you have to go nuclear to get him upset about the whole thing.

I dig it.
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Post by: Samsara on September 10, 2018, 03:49:37 PM
Paperboy was AWESOME!  I used to love busting windows on the haunted house.  And busting dogs in the chops with newspapers.  As an actual paperboy at the time, it allowed me to vent a lot of pent-up frustration.  :lol

HAHAHAHA. We bought one of those Nintendo knock-offs, and it has it on there, I was doing the same thing.. I will never forget the idiots who I delivered papers to.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 10, 2018, 03:58:34 PM
I don't have a lot of specific memories of a lot of my customers.  But the customers I do still remember, I remember for pretty specific reasons.  That's all I'll say about that.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 04:02:29 PM
WTF is Paperboy??
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
WTF is Paperboy??

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?!
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Post by: bosk1 on September 10, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
WTF is Paperboy??

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?!

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P6kAeQ_m1Q
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Post by: pg1067 on September 10, 2018, 04:36:25 PM
Paperboy was AWESOME!  I used to love busting windows on the haunted house.  And busting dogs in the chops with newspapers.  As an actual paperboy at the time, it allowed me to vent a lot of pent-up frustration.  :lol

The handlebar controller made it a novelty, but it was never high on my list of go-to arcade games.  I had a paper route for about two years in high school and shared it with my best friend most of the time.  There were houses where we set up trick shots (getting it on the porch from the street or putting it into the basketball hoop in the driveway).  The best part was collecting right before Christmas and raking in the tips.

(https://www.homeleisuredirect.com/Assets/HLD/User/26992-paperboy-vintage-arcade-machine-front.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
 :lol

Holy crap I've never seen or heard of that in my life.


  The best part was collecting right before Christmas and raking in the tips.

I had a route for a year. The best part was this one house where paper delivery time coincided with nursing the baby time.  :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 04:47:11 PM
WTF is Paperboy??

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?!

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P6kAeQ_m1Q

🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 04:50:21 PM
Paperboy wasn't metal enough like Defender, Space Invaders and Robotron 2084 for Tim.

Pac Man?  Never heard of it.  To much of a pussy game.
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2018, 04:55:38 PM
:lol

Holy crap I've never seen or heard of that in my life.


Where did you grow up? I want to know in case I ever need a vacation that is completely away from modern society.
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Post by: Orbert on September 10, 2018, 05:28:47 PM
The best part was collecting right before Christmas and raking in the tips.

I had a route for a year. The best part was this one house where paper delivery time coincided with nursing the baby time.  :lol

I had a route for three years, morning paper, largest route in the city.  Man, the stories I could tell.
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
I had a paper route for a couple years. And I honestly do not have one story.

I loved that game too. Played it recently, for like 30 seconds, before realizing there was no nostalgic value
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Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2018, 06:36:20 PM
WTF is Paperboy??

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?!

TAC is in many ways like the brother I never had (well, second brother, since I do have one), but still.. is there a thread here that doesn't have one TAC post that says "WTF is _______"?   
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 06:40:37 PM
 :lol

Seriously, I have never heard of it. In the early to early mid 80's I spent time in every hockey rink arcade room in the eastern half of Massachusetts.
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Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
:lol

Seriously, I have never heard of it. In the early to early mid 80's I spent time in every hockey rink arcade room in the eastern half of Massachusetts.

(Shhh, for me it was the local bowling alley, but to be honest, I've never heard of it either...)
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
I don't like boy bands Tim but I've at least heard of them and know a little bit about them.  Lol
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 06:53:41 PM
I don't like boy bands Tim but I've at least heard of them and know a little bit about them.  Lol

I've heard of boy bands too.

Love this one in particular.

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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 07:01:38 PM
Boy band. Lol
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Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2018, 07:12:27 PM
I have their album.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 07:18:28 PM
Saw their first tour.

They did a three afternoon stand at the Busy Bee Daycare in Providence.
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 07:19:57 PM
Saw their first tour.

They did a three afternoon stand at the Busy Bee Daycare in Providence.

You pissed your pa... um, I mean diaper.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 07:29:11 PM
Saw their first tour.

They did a three afternoon stand at the Busy Bee Daycare in Providence.

You pissed your pa... um, I mean diaper.

Oh, it was crazy. Put down 6 bottles of formula before the show.
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 07:37:43 PM
Talls. AMIRITE?!
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 07:39:33 PM
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2018, 07:50:39 PM
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/zkN2Af.png) (https://imageshack.com/f/pozkN2Afp)
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
Nice..and


Yup, Stadler was there too!
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Post by: Kattelox on September 11, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
I had Paperboy on the Super Nintendo. That was a damn fun game. I always hated that little... what was it, like a ghost/tornado/something that made a fuzzy noise when it appeared and chased after you.

Also it was from the era when video games had artwork that was not at all like what was in the game. Photo of some psyched up kid with an armful of newspapers. lol

Also also if I played that shopping cart game I'd probably throw my controller through the window.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 11, 2018, 09:19:31 AM
Not sure about the Nintendo version.  But what you are saying rings a bell.  As I recall from the arcade version, I think it was a swarm of bees, if I remember correctly.  I think it came out if you took too long to deliver your papers.
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Post by: Kattelox on September 11, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
That makes sense. I had it when I was 4 or 5 and was obviously bad at the game  :lol
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Post by: Implode on October 17, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
I have a copy of the NES version, but I've never played. I should dust it off and give it a whirl some time.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/13-rude-things-you-need-to-stop-doing-at-the-grocery-store/ss-BBTBKSU?li=BBnb7Kz


Gee, I wonder what #1 is...
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Post by: kingshmegland on February 18, 2019, 07:14:14 PM
#1

Tim fighting the fact that assholes don't put a carriage back in the corral?

AMIRITE?!
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2019, 07:16:26 PM
Nope. Just saw the article and thought of this thread.
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Post by: kingshmegland on February 18, 2019, 07:25:36 PM
Man you suck at comedy.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
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Post by: kingshmegland on February 18, 2019, 07:37:35 PM
Lol. Improvise dammit!!
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Post by: Kattelox on February 18, 2019, 07:37:58 PM
RACK EM UP!!  :corn
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2019, 07:40:16 PM
I know just who to call!

















































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Post by: Vmadera00 on February 18, 2019, 07:45:11 PM
#10 is pretty annoying. As someone who used to work in retail, it is very annoying to have to put things back where they belong. Even nowadays while shopping I still find myself putting things back where they belong  :-X
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Post by: pg1067 on February 18, 2019, 08:47:57 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/13-rude-things-you-need-to-stop-doing-at-the-grocery-store/ss-BBTBKSU?li=BBnb7Kz


Gee, I wonder what #1 is...

"Leaving your cart in the parking lot rather than walking it back to the cart return station is not just lazy. It's downright annoying for anyone who thinks they're about to pull into a parking spot only to discover there's an empty shopping cart in the way."

Well, sure, if you leave your cart in a place that requires someone else to move it in order to park, you're an asshole.  But it is possible -- I'd say easy -- to leave it in a place that doesn't impede anyone else from doing anything.

I like how #13 on the list of "rude things you need to stop doing" is essentially "other."  That's just lazy writing.

Also a comment on #12 -- eating stuff you intend to buy.  I've never done this personally, but when my son was a baby/toddler, I would regularly grab a small carton of goldfish for him to eat while at the grocery store/Target.  It was about the only way to keep him chill while shopping and giving my wife a break.  No one -- whether store employee or otherwise -- seemed to have a problem with it.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2019, 08:58:04 PM
I like how #13 on the list of "rude things you need to stop doing" is essentially "other."  That's just lazy writing.

 :lol I know, right.


Also a comment on #12 -- eating stuff you intend to buy.  I've never done this personally, but when my son was a baby/toddler, I would regularly grab a small carton of goldfish for him to eat while at the grocery store/Target.  It was about the only way to keep him chill while shopping and giving my wife a break.  No one -- whether store employee or otherwise -- seemed to have a problem with it.

I've never had an issue with it. You usually know when it's legit.
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 06:59:35 AM
I don't think the issue is with the "open bag of goldfish" that later gets scanned; been there, done that.   I think the issue is for something like grapes where it's a consumable by weight.   "It's only one grape!" is fine for YOU, but not for the 100,000 customers that come through yearly, each taking a grape or two because, well, "it's only one grape!". 
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Post by: T-ski on February 19, 2019, 07:28:04 AM
I know just who to call!

















































(https://st2.depositphotos.com/1036149/7498/i/950/depositphotos_74980037-stock-photo-fun-superhero-with-shopping-cart.jpg)

I would have gone in a different direction..

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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2019, 10:07:22 AM
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 19, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
...when my son was a baby/toddler, I would regularly grab a small carton of goldfish for him to eat while at the grocery store/Target.  It was about the only way to keep him chill while shopping and giving my wife a break. 

Fred Meyer stores have a small bin of fruit (bananas, oranges, etc...) available for any shopper to grab from at no charge to give their kids if they get hungry (and thus potentially fussy) while shopping. It's brilliant.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 19, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
I don't think the issue is with the "open bag of goldfish" that later gets scanned; been there, done that.   I think the issue is for something like grapes where it's a consumable by weight.   "It's only one grape!" is fine for YOU, but not for the 100,000 customers that come through yearly, each taking a grape or two because, well, "it's only one grape!".

Yeah...that's a completely different story.
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 19, 2019, 11:32:59 AM
Using this example, since grapes are purchased by weight, if a bag has a handful of grapes plucked from it, it will cost less for the consumer who ends up buying it. They may get less by volume, but they will pay the per weight price accordingly. They aren't getting cheated.

My issue is people putting their grubby hands in a bag of food I will potentially eat from.
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
Using this example, since grapes are purchased by weight, if a bag has a handful of grapes plucked from it, it will cost less for the consumer who ends up buying it. They may get less by volume, but they will pay the per weight price accordingly. They aren't getting cheated.

My issue is people putting their grubby hands in a bag of food I will potentially eat from.

It's not the person I'm worried about.  If I walk in to Stop'n'Shop, and there's a bag of 100 grapes, for $5.00, the store paid for 100 grapes and is counting on $5.00 back.  If I grab that bag, and let my kid feast as we traverse aisles 4, 5, and 6, and I get up to the counter and the 87 grapes left total $4.35, the store got fucked, not me.  I made out like a (relative) bandit.
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Post by: El Barto on February 19, 2019, 12:36:50 PM
Since nobody actually gives a shit about shopping carts anymore, I've got a different question for the resident grocery store expert. The alarms at the exit doors in major stores (I'm referring to Kroger in particular), do they actually look for anything? I always assumed they just went off on every 9th customer or something to make potential shoplifters think there was a security feature in place. I know that I just ignore the alarm when it goes off and nobody ever bats an eye. The cop standing there doesn't even look up from his phone when it goes off. Clearly nobody puts any faith in those things.

However, I seem to set it off at one store very frequently now. Like 80% of the time I walk through the door. This has me wondering if they do actually look for something but are just pathetically inaccurate.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
I assumed they checked unscanned barcodes?

But while I've seen them go off and no one care, it's definitely not as common experience for me as it is for you it seems though.

Related to that, I read an article about how the people who check your receipt at Costco aren't there to make sure you aren't stealing, but to make sure you didn't miss an deals or get marked up wrong at the register?  I call BS on that one.    https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570 (https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570)
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 19, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
Those guys at Costco spend about 1.7 seconds looking at each receipt, so whatever they are looking for it doesn't require any detailed analysis.
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 01:00:37 PM
I just thought they were looking for A reciept, and after that, a receipt with ballpark roughly the same number of items as in the cart (that's easy to do in 1.7 seconds).  That doesn't serve to stop a skilled, dedicated thief, but it does act in a similar manner to, say, the TSA, that does more to address the emotional aspect of air travel, than the specific process of "terrorism". 
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2019, 01:25:19 PM
Since nobody actually gives a shit about shopping carts anymore, I've got a different question for the resident grocery store expert. The alarms at the exit doors in major stores (I'm referring to Kroger in particular), do they actually look for anything? I always assumed they just went off on every 9th customer or something to make potential shoplifters think there was a security feature in place. I know that I just ignore the alarm when it goes off and nobody ever bats an eye. The cop standing there doesn't even look up from his phone when it goes off. Clearly nobody puts any faith in those things.

However, I seem to set it off at one store very frequently now. Like 80% of the time I walk through the door. This has me wondering if they do actually look for something but are just pathetically inaccurate.

So they typically react to tags that are placed on packages. If you walk your HBA aisles at your local store, you can usually find square magnetic tags on some of the high ticket items. Also, the meat department tags masquerade as Safe Handling info tags, but they do the same thing. These tags are strategically placed near the actual barcode, so the register scanner deactivates them.


They can also be set off by cell phones it seems. Depends on the system and what its sensitivities are.
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 01:37:35 PM
So every time Bart gets a message that I replied to him in the P/R thread, he sets the alarm off in the store?
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 01:37:46 PM
Hey
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
El
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Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
Barto...
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Post by: El Barto on February 19, 2019, 01:49:38 PM
I assumed they checked unscanned barcodes?

But while I've seen them go off and no one care, it's definitely not as common experience for me as it is for you it seems though.

Related to that, I read an article about how the people who check your receipt at Costco aren't there to make sure you aren't stealing, but to make sure you didn't miss an deals or get marked up wrong at the register?  I call BS on that one.    https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570 (https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570)
Barcodes aren't unique to individual items. Every box of ribbed Trojans has the same upc, so there's no way they could be deactivated at the register. This could be done by RFID tags, but the tags would have be be unique to each individual box of rubbers.



Since nobody actually gives a shit about shopping carts anymore, I've got a different question for the resident grocery store expert. The alarms at the exit doors in major stores (I'm referring to Kroger in particular), do they actually look for anything? I always assumed they just went off on every 9th customer or something to make potential shoplifters think there was a security feature in place. I know that I just ignore the alarm when it goes off and nobody ever bats an eye. The cop standing there doesn't even look up from his phone when it goes off. Clearly nobody puts any faith in those things.

However, I seem to set it off at one store very frequently now. Like 80% of the time I walk through the door. This has me wondering if they do actually look for something but are just pathetically inaccurate.

So they typically react to tags that are placed on packages. If you walk your HBA aisles at your local store, you can usually find square magnetic tags on some of the high ticket items. Also, the meat department tags masquerade as Safe Handling info tags, but they do the same thing. These tags are strategically placed near the actual barcode, so the register scanner deactivates them.


They can also be set off by cell phones it seems. Depends on the system and what its sensitivities are.
I have real doubts as to the scanner's ability to deactivate them. When you see them deployed at places that actually care about loss, a book or record store for example, they rub the shit out of them on a pad that demagnetizes them. One high-speed pass in front of the scanner probably won't do much. That's interesting about the meat tags, though. I'll look into that next time I buy a roast or something.

Do your stores pay any attention to them when they go off, or do y'all regard them as a joke? Down here they seem to just accept that they're meaningless, outside of the slight deterrent aspect.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 19, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
Related to that, I read an article about how the people who check your receipt at Costco aren't there to make sure you aren't stealing, but to make sure you didn't miss an deals or get marked up wrong at the register?  I call BS on that one.    https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570 (https://thetakeout.com/why-costco-employees-check-receipts-exit-1830254570)

I once bought some movie tickets at Sam's Club, and the receipt checker person asked if I got them (since he or she couldn't discern that by looking at my cart).  I liked that since it would not be at all unlike me to pay for something like that and then walk out of the store without going to the service desk to pick up the tickets.  Beyond that, I always understood that they were checking to see if the number of items indicated on the receipt matches (or roughly matches) the number of items in your cart.  Easy to do if you've got four things, but obviously much harder if you've got 40 items.
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2019, 01:56:41 PM
I have real doubts as to the scanner's ability to deactivate them. When you see them deployed at places that actually care about loss, a book or record store for example, they rub the shit out of them on a pad that demagnetizes them. One high-speed pass in front of the scanner probably won't do much. That's interesting about the meat tags, though. I'll look into that next time I buy a roast or something.

Do your stores pay any attention to them when they go off, or do y'all regard them as a joke? Down here they seem to just accept that they're meaningless, outside of the slight deterrent aspect.

Well, I think it depends on the system. Our system deactivates the tag when it's run though the scanner. I can't explain how.


When they go off, there's not much you can do if the customer doesn't want to stop. But customers will stop sometimes. 
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 19, 2019, 02:26:29 PM
I see those door scanner beepers go off much more often at home improvement stores than grocery stores. Usually the shopper glances back at the checkout clerk who just rang them up, and the clerk gives them a "you're good" nod.

When they go off, there's not much you can do if the customer doesn't want to stop. 

Don't stores' loss prevention programs prohibit employees from pursuing a potential theft? Once the perp and the goods are out the door, they are considered gone and written off. Employees aren't going to turn in to Terry Benedict.   
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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2019, 02:32:16 PM
Yea, I didn't think it was the actual barcode, but something similar to scan.  Like those tags on clothing or whatever is used on CDs when they slide the case across the magnet thingy like EB stated. 

But I'm guessing at the end of the day, the scanners and the people looking at the receipts at costco really are just trying to be deterrents to thievery rather than truly keeping the place locked down. 
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
Don't stores' loss prevention programs prohibit employees from pursuing a potential theft? Once the perp and the goods are out the door, they are considered gone and written off. Employees aren't going to turn in to Terry Benedict.   


Yeah, I think every chain has their own policy. Some may prohibit an apprehension once outside.

That $20 roast really isn't worth a bad stop.
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Post by: El Barto on February 19, 2019, 02:47:14 PM
I have real doubts as to the scanner's ability to deactivate them. When you see them deployed at places that actually care about loss, a book or record store for example, they rub the shit out of them on a pad that demagnetizes them. One high-speed pass in front of the scanner probably won't do much. That's interesting about the meat tags, though. I'll look into that next time I buy a roast or something.

Do your stores pay any attention to them when they go off, or do y'all regard them as a joke? Down here they seem to just accept that they're meaningless, outside of the slight deterrent aspect.

Well, I think it depends on the system. Our system deactivates the tag when it's run though the scanner. I can't explain how.
Have you ever actually tested this? First thing I'd have done when corporate told me this was grab a box of adult diapers and walked back and forth through the scanner a few times before and after "deactivation."  :biggrin:

Quote
When they go off, there's not much you can do if the customer doesn't want to stop. But customers will stop sometimes.
Do y'all actually follow up if they do stop? When I've seen other people turn around because of the alarm they're always just waved on through.
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2019, 02:59:32 PM
Well, that's how our system works. Pretty sure its accurate. I don't have any involvement with it.


You can stop someone who sets the thing off, and ask to check their bag. Usually it's a tag that wasn't picked up by the scanner.
Honestly, you don't have the time to spend on it. And there aren't a ton of options.


I mean, they are really meant as deterrents. Someone that's going to steal will steal. It's really there for the folks that are thinking about stealing.
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Post by: Snow Dog on February 19, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
I inadvertently walked out of a Media Play once with a CD in hand and without paying for it.  Got as far as my car, and could have left completely if I didn't have the realization that I completely stole the CD by accident.  I remember the detectors definitely going off on my way out, and I didn't even pay it any mind.  Neither did the register folks, apparently, since I went back in to the store, explained that I forgot to pay for it, and the cashier acted like he didn't know anything happened either as he was ringing it up.
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Post by: orcus116 on March 15, 2019, 05:05:05 PM
I went to a local market today to get lunch and parked in a spot. I noticed a stray cart in a spot diagonally across from my resting itself on a light post. I had a brief moment of "maybe I should park somewhere else" but it wasn't really windy and I would only be 10 minutes or so so I got out and went inside I came back out and sure enough the fucker was pressed right up against the side of my car but luckily there was a plastic bumped thing on the corner. No scratches but it was there. So I took the cart and guided it over a row into the carrol, locking it into the other carts. Like an adult.
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Post by: kingshmegland on March 15, 2019, 05:19:04 PM
Not like Tim who is an adult that is wrong.
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Post by: TAC on March 15, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
 :lol



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Post by: kingshmegland on March 15, 2019, 07:09:45 PM
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: JayOctavarium on March 18, 2019, 10:25:19 AM
I was under the impression, that at least around here, the alarms will go off if the cart hasn't gone through a register before being taken out the door.
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Post by: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
Couple of weeks ago it was a windy day and I was out shopping. As I left the store heading back to my car, a rogue shopping cart quite literally was blown by the wind right in front of me. Reached out and grabbed it with one hand and stopped it from speeding right into the back of someone's car. Dragged it over to the corral. Felt good.  :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on March 18, 2019, 10:40:45 AM
You are a super human being.
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Post by: pg1067 on March 18, 2019, 10:54:41 AM
I'm having images of shopping carts just flying around a parking lot as if they had sails on them.  I literally have never seen shopping cars moving on their own (other than immediately after someone lets go of one on an incline without properly securing it).
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Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2019, 10:55:53 AM
I'm having images of shopping carts just flying around a parking lot as if they had sails on them.  I literally have never seen shopping cars moving on their own (other than immediately after someone let's go of one on an incline without properly securing it).

:lol  I was thinking along similar lines. 
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Post by: Orbert on March 18, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
I'm in the Chicago suburbs, and I can tell you that wind-propelled shopping carts are a thing and a very real danger.  It gets windy as hell around here.  Shopping carts can get up to "ramming speed" as they cruise across the parking lot, and they can and will do damage to people, cars, or whatever else they hit.
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Post by: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
I'm in the Chicago suburbs, and I can tell you that wind-propelled shopping carts are a thing and a very real danger.  It gets windy as hell around here.  Shopping carts can get up to "ramming speed" as they cruise across the parking lot, and they can and will do damage to people, cars, or whatever else they hit.

Yeah, I wasn't exaggerating. This cart had some speed to it. You better believe I immediately thought of this thread when I caught it. And I, too, have never seen a cart move on its own. This thing was propelled by wind. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2019, 12:23:42 PM
 :lol

NJ isnt really known as a windy state but it doesnt take much for a gust to push a cart and it doesnt take much force from a cart to scratch a car. Sure getting injured might need a good force  but I've certainly seen that before too. 

I think of this thread everytime I see a cart stranded in a lot.
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Post by: pg1067 on March 18, 2019, 12:29:14 PM
SHOPPINGCARTNADO!!!!
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Post by: kingshmegland on March 18, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
SHOPPINGCARTNADO!!!!

Better copyright that. :lol
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Post by: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
I hear Syfy's already greenlit 3 Cartnado films.
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 18, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
I was under the impression, that at least around here, the alarms will go off if the cart hasn't gone through a register before being taken out the door.

That's crazy. I've never heard of such a thing. I know some places have them lock up if they leave the property so the bums don't steal them and use them for their own Uber service, but never heard of them needing to be de-scanned before leaving the building.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2019, 05:49:32 PM
Never heard of that either, I've seen the coin insert as a hold until you return the cart in Germany before, but I've never seen anything else restrictive here in the states or anything with an alarm for the carts.
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Post by: TAC on March 18, 2019, 06:38:41 PM
We have carts where if you wheel them out of the parking lot, one of the wheels locks up.
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Post by: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 07:28:33 PM
We have those carts too, but it's usually as soon as you start pushing it through the store.  :lol
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Post by: Orbert on March 18, 2019, 09:07:21 PM
We have those carts too, but it's usually as soon as you start pushing it through the store.  :lol

  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 11:53:04 AM
Went to Costco for lunch and noticed the corral.... now what?

(https://i.imgur.com/TMejnq7.jpg)

This was blocking one way on the traffic and one car struggled pulling out cause of all the carts.  What's not seen in this picture is that to the right, the rest of the corral is empty, aka no one pushed the first carts in all the way so they couldn't fit and then it just got out of hand from there.  After lunch, there were two workers reorganizing it all.
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Post by: Stadler on May 01, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
More importantly, how was lunch, and what'd you go with?   
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 12:25:42 PM
A slice of pizza and Turkey sandwich which I'll eat the rest later, didn't realize that thing is like a brick. Usually go with a slice and dog  but wssnt feeling like eating a hot dog today.
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Post by: Samsara on May 01, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Went to Costco for lunch and noticed the corral.... now what?

(https://i.imgur.com/TMejnq7.jpg)

This was blocking one way on the traffic and one car struggled pulling out cause of all the carts.  What's not seen in this picture is that to the right, the rest of the corral is empty, aka no one pushed the first carts in all the way so they couldn't fit and then it just got out of hand from there.  After lunch, there were two workers reorganizing it all.

That's bosk1 on the left. Laughing that evil Vader-esqe laugh of his.
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Post by: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
The left side of my body tingled and went numb after looking at that photo. I'm sure it's fine.
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Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Animals....just.....animals.
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Post by: TAC on May 01, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Went to Costco for lunch and noticed the corral.... now what?

(https://i.imgur.com/TMejnq7.jpg)

This was blocking one way on the traffic and one car struggled pulling out cause of all the carts.  What's not seen in this picture is that to the right, the rest of the corral is empty, aka no one pushed the first carts in all the way so they couldn't fit and then it just got out of hand from there.  After lunch, there were two workers reorganizing it all.

You guys must be so proud of yourselves now.

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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Dublagent66 on May 01, 2019, 03:53:54 PM
Wasn't there a thread somewhere in here that was titled something like, "My hope for humanity v. Rekindled"?  Post that pic in there.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 01, 2019, 04:51:41 PM
Went to Costco for lunch and noticed the corral.... now what?

(https://i.imgur.com/TMejnq7.jpg)

This was blocking one way on the traffic and one car struggled pulling out cause of all the carts.  What's not seen in this picture is that to the right, the rest of the corral is empty, aka no one pushed the first carts in all the way so they couldn't fit and then it just got out of hand from there.  After lunch, there were two workers reorganizing it all.

If folks would leave their carts in appropriate places, this kind of thing wouldn't happen!   :biggrin:
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 01, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Went to Costco for lunch and noticed the corral.... now what?

(https://i.imgur.com/TMejnq7.jpg)

This was blocking one way on the traffic and one car struggled pulling out cause of all the carts.  What's not seen in this picture is that to the right, the rest of the corral is empty, aka no one pushed the first carts in all the way so they couldn't fit and then it just got out of hand from there.  After lunch, there were two workers reorganizing it all.

You guys must be so proud of yourselves now.

Store manager is not doing his job.  Should be on the front end manager for not having someone outside shagging carriages.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 01, 2019, 08:43:20 PM
But there's not enough payroll.

Besides, we got a kid coming in at 3:00. He'll get them.
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 02, 2019, 03:49:29 AM
Not good enough. You provide a service and it is poor.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 06:36:59 AM
Well they did have some people fixing it on our way out, but that was like 20 minutes later.  That parking lot is also really small for a costco so that overflow was blocking traffic and probably should have been dealt with quicker, although, the first people who started piling them in wrong to set this failure up are morons. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 02, 2019, 07:10:58 AM
Not to be that guy, and I fully recognize that there's no easy answer to this, but we understand that this is because the first cart wasn't pushed in all the way.  Okay, mistakes happen, I get it.   But customer number two.  Can't push them a foot further?  Customer three? Four? Five?  How about the customer that put the cart in that you can see right below the stop sign.  You're really going to compound that mistake all the way halfway across the driving lane?   I know, I know "Not my job".  I kind of look at it like it's also "not my job to be a douche", and at some point in that picture, we can debate where, someone failed at their job.   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 07:20:28 AM
Not to be that guy, and I fully recognize that there's no easy answer to this, but we understand that this is because the first cart wasn't pushed in all the way.  Okay, mistakes happen, I get it.   But customer number two.  Can't push them a foot further?  Customer three? Four? Five?  How about the customer that put the cart in that you can see right below the stop sign.  You're really going to compound that mistake all the way halfway across the driving lane?   I know, I know "Not my job".  I kind of look at it like it's also "not my job to be a douche", and at some point in that picture, we can debate where, someone failed at their job.

Takes literally seconds to push the cart in. Every single person who added to that line without fixing it is part of the problem and I hope they get a nail in their tire.  :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 02, 2019, 07:33:33 AM
We are all lazy AF.  I personally push them in.   Again, no matter how lazy the customer is, that pile is on the store management.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2019, 07:37:23 AM
I always line my cart into another - no matter how bad the shit is ahead of me.  If it's just one more cart that needs to be fixed to line everything up, I'll do that.  But I ain't spending a few minutes to make it all Tetris-like.

As we've established in many other threads, people are the worst.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 02, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Not to be that guy, and I fully recognize that there's no easy answer to this, but we understand that this is because the first cart wasn't pushed in all the way.  Okay, mistakes happen, I get it.   But customer number two.  Can't push them a foot further?  Customer three? Four? Five?  How about the customer that put the cart in that you can see right below the stop sign.  You're really going to compound that mistake all the way halfway across the driving lane?   I know, I know "Not my job".  I kind of look at it like it's also "not my job to be a douche", and at some point in that picture, we can debate where, someone failed at their job.

Takes literally seconds to push the cart in. Every single person who added to that line without fixing it is part of the problem and I hope they get a nail in their tire.  :lol

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Dublagent66 on May 02, 2019, 10:29:10 AM
I think I see an empty parking space next to the empty corral?  Oh wait...there's a cart in the parking space.  Instant Darwin award.  :\

Just once I wish I could catch someone doing that.  :loser:
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 11:22:54 AM
Just once I wish I could catch someone doing that.  :loser:

Probably wouldn't take long if you parked near one at a costco
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Post by: Podaar on May 02, 2019, 01:54:01 PM
Just once I wish I could catch someone doing that.  :loser:

Probably wouldn't take long if you parked near one at a NJ costco

FTFY
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Post by: Dublagent66 on May 03, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
What about Walmart?  Odds are probably even better there.   :lol
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Post by: TAC on May 03, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
We are all lazy AF.  I personally push them in.   Again, no matter how lazy the customer is, that pile is on the store management.

I have one person. They can either;
A. Get the carriages, or
B. Ring your order in the first place.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 03, 2019, 10:30:46 AM
That's bullshit.   Cashier can ring out and bag.  Bagger can shag carriages.   I worked for a grocery store and was a front end man.  We set a schedule for baggers to go out in the yard.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 03, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
I've said this before so I apologize for repeating myself but I have not shopped at a grocery store (not counting Costco, which I don't consider a grocery store anyway) that had a dedicated 'bagger' position. Do stores still exist that employ people specifically to bag groceries?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
True, been a loooong time since I've seen dedicated baggers, in fact the dedicated register workers are fading away too for self check out.  The walmart over here has more self check out than human check outs now.
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Post by: TAC on May 03, 2019, 10:47:50 AM
That's bullshit.   Cashier can ring out and bag.  Bagger can shag carriages.   I worked for a grocery store and was a front end man.  We set a schedule for baggers to go out in the yard.

How long ago was that? :lol


Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
I hate checking out my own groceries when I could be checking out the milfs ahead of me in the line
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 03, 2019, 10:54:24 AM
That's bullshit.   Cashier can ring out and bag.  Bagger can shag carriages.   I worked for a grocery store and was a front end man.  We set a schedule for baggers to go out in the yard.

How long ago was that? :lol

A long time! :lol

I understand budget but a manager has people to do that.  Make a supervisor bag and send out the bagger.

It is a lot easier when the school kids come to work or the weekends but managers can and should do a better job with a simple task.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on May 03, 2019, 11:33:17 AM
I've said this before so I apologize for repeating myself but I have not shopped at a grocery store (not counting Costco, which I don't consider a grocery store anyway) that had a dedicated 'bagger' position. Do stores still exist that employ people specifically to bag groceries?

Well, in California, back in 2016, a proposition was passed where grocery stores cannot use plastic bags anymore.  Either grocery stores will provide reusable bags for ten cents a bag or people have to bring their own bags to carry groceries.  There's pros and cons regarding that ruling.  So at this point, I imagine that stores in California does not have any people employed to bag groceries and if people do want those 10 cent bags, I imagine the cashier will bag them.  I don't know.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 03, 2019, 11:44:18 AM
Well, in California, back in 2016, a proposition was passed where grocery stores cannot use plastic bags anymore.  Either grocery stores will provide reusable bags for ten cents a bag or people have to bring their own bags to carry groceries.  There's pros and cons regarding that ruling.  So at this point, I imagine that stores in California does not have any people employed to bag groceries and if people do want those 10 cent bags, I imagine the cashier will bag them.  I don't know.

There are no pros to that ruling.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 03, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
I've said this before so I apologize for repeating myself but I have not shopped at a grocery store (not counting Costco, which I don't consider a grocery store anyway) that had a dedicated 'bagger' position. Do stores still exist that employ people specifically to bag groceries?

Well, in California, back in 2016, a proposition was passed where grocery stores cannot use plastic bags anymore.  Either grocery stores will provide reusable bags for ten cents a bag or people have to bring their own bags to carry groceries.  There's pros and cons regarding that ruling.  So at this point, I imagine that stores in California does not have any people employed to bag groceries and if people do want those 10 cent bags, I imagine the cashier will bag them.  I don't know.

I don't think the dumbass law you mentioned has anything to do with whether stores employ persons in "a dedicated 'bagger' position."  The stores in my area employ folks who both bag groceries and retrieve carts it he parking lot and, as far as I know and can recall, they have never employed persons whose sole responsibility was to bag groceries.  Cashier is a different position entirely, and cashiers do not typically retrieve carts (although they do bag groceries when necessary).
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 03, 2019, 02:01:23 PM
I worked at a grocery store and here's what I did at the store.


Bagger
Cashier
Front End Supervisor
Front End Manager

At all points I shagged carriages.  As I got up in management it was very little.  I expected the baggers to do the majority of shagging carts.  Though some cashiers did help when it was slow and would bag as well.   
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on May 03, 2019, 02:13:35 PM
Not to be that guy, and I fully recognize that there's no easy answer to this, but we understand that this is because the first cart wasn't pushed in all the way.  Okay, mistakes happen, I get it.   But customer number two.  Can't push them a foot further?  Customer three? Four? Five?  How about the customer that put the cart in that you can see right below the stop sign.  You're really going to compound that mistake all the way halfway across the driving lane?   I know, I know "Not my job".  I kind of look at it like it's also "not my job to be a douche", and at some point in that picture, we can debate where, someone failed at their job.

Agreed. After seeing that ClusterFuck of Carts, I would've just put my cart in another cart area or put it back inside with the other carts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 07:30:05 AM
This thread is amazing.

I worked for grocery stores all through college, and my dad worked in grocery all his life, including being a store manager for 36 years.

Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.
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Post by: Podaar on May 09, 2019, 07:35:31 AM
Well, there you have it. That's pretty authoritative.

/end thread
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 07:45:04 AM
In your face Tim.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2019, 08:28:12 AM
Inb4 Lock.

:lokked:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 09:43:56 AM
lol no
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Post by: Samsara on May 09, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
This thread is amazing.

I worked for grocery stores all through college, and my dad worked in grocery all his life, including being a store manager for 36 years.

Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

bosk sittin in his office plotting your demise.  :corn :yarr
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Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 10:22:49 AM
This thread is amazing.

I worked for grocery stores all through college, and my dad worked in grocery all his life, including being a store manager for 36 years.

Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.

Wow. Just wow.


When I was a kid, there was no such thing as shopping corrals. After the groceries were loaded into the car, we left the carriage in the cross cross of the spaces and some kid would be along soon enough to grab it.

Now, because a store doesnít want to pay a kid to do that, or feel they shouldnít  have to pay out carriage damage claims, Iím going to be shamed into doing their fucking work for them. Fuck that. I guess that makes me a low quality person, but I think I can live with it.
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Post by: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 10:24:51 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 11:09:57 AM
It's called evolving Tim.  They passed out cigarettes with matches on the streets to 13 year old kids in the 50's.  Think that's a smart thing to do today?  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2019, 11:13:35 AM
This thread is amazing.

I worked for grocery stores all through college, and my dad worked in grocery all his life, including being a store manager for 36 years.

Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.

Wow. Just wow.


When I was a kid, there was no such thing as shopping corrals. After the groceries were loaded into the car, we left the carriage in the cross cross of the spaces and some kid would be along soon enough to grab it.

Now, because a store doesnít want to pay a kid to do that, or feel they shouldnít  have to pay out carriage damage claims, Iím going to be shamed into doing their fucking work for them. Fuck that. I guess that makes me a low quality person, but I think I can live with it.

The only thing that would've made this post better is if A) it started with "back in my day ...", and B) it finished with stories of having to walk 3 miles to work every day ... uphill ... both ways... in the snow... all year.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GregariousChiefBirdofparadise-small.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 09, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.

What if they brought the cart back to the store entrance area, out of the parking lot away from where they could cause any damage or get in anyone's way?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2019, 11:43:07 AM
This thread is amazing.

I worked for grocery stores all through college, and my dad worked in grocery all his life, including being a store manager for 36 years.

Maybe we're past it, but my dad and I were both of the opinion that people who didn't put their carts in the corrals were people of low quality.

Wow. Just wow.


When I was a kid, there was no such thing as shopping corrals. After the groceries were loaded into the car, we left the carriage in the cross cross of the spaces and some kid would be along soon enough to grab it.

Now, because a store doesnít want to pay a kid to do that, or feel they shouldnít  have to pay out carriage damage claims, Iím going to be shamed into doing their fucking work for them. Fuck that. I guess that makes me a low quality person, but I think I can live with it.

You should change your personal text to "Low Quality Person".

I also hope this thread won't ever be closed and will be resurrected from time to time, because I tell all my metalhead friends who know I'm posting on "that Dream Theater forum" that our biggest holy war is about returning shopping carts to the corrals. They're usually asking for updates, too.
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Post by: Stadler on May 09, 2019, 11:44:16 AM
It's still not "The Cone" though. 
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Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
The Cone wasn't a war though, pretty much everyone was on Chino's side. :P
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
It's still not "The Cone" though.

The better example is the Passing Lane.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 12:09:21 PM
CHAD! DON'T BRING THAT UP! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Shit, I completely skipped that one 'cause I don't drive. :lol Apparently I'm missing out.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
I don't think I'm familiar with the passing lane...

but this may be the most epic DTF discussion

also, went back to that costco and the same cart coral.... now this is shopping cart pr0n

(https://i.imgur.com/1jpxljz.jpg)
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 09, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
I think it's funny that a thread about shopping carts has resulted in my only temporary ban here.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
CHAD! DON'T BRING THAT UP! :lol

At least not with Stads, amirite? :neverusethis:

Shit, I completely skipped that one 'cause I don't drive. :lol Apparently I'm missing out.

There wasn't ever a dedicated thread to it, but it came up twice ... one iteration of that debate is in the 'things I find irritating' thread.  Maybe both instances of it are there.  Maybe in the GD side-chat thread; maybe somewhere else... I can't remember.  The first debate was like 2-3 years ago at least ... I remember because it was before Stads and I started getting along, and I thought he was being total douche over the matter.  The last mini-discussion on the matter was just a few months ago.

Ahhhh.... good times.
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Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 12:35:05 PM
Iím not familiar with the passing lane episode b
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Post by: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 12:39:40 PM
I personally don't drive my shopping carts in the passing lane.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 09, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
I personally don't drive my shopping carts in the passing lane.

If you ever do, be sure to yield to anyone coming up behind you at a higher rate of speed...regardless of the posted speed limit!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 09, 2019, 12:43:42 PM
I don't think I'm familiar with the passing lane...

but this may be the most epic DTF discussion

also, went back to that costco and the same cart coral.... now this is shopping cart pr0n

(https://i.imgur.com/1jpxljz.jpg)

That is pure beauty right there.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
TAC, you know I love you, pal.  I don't think you're low quality.

Just lower quality.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

bosk sittin in his office plotting your demise.  :corn :yarr
Probably wouldn't be the first time.

When I was a kid, there was no such thing as shopping corrals. After the groceries were loaded into the car, we left the carriage in the cross cross of the spaces and some kid would be along soon enough to grab it.
When I was a kid, I could go to a full service gas station and never had to get out of my car.  But times change.

I know that from your point of view, it's someone else's job.  But let me ask you this: if you are in a grocery store, and you pick up a gallon of milk, but then when you get to the bread aisle, you remember that your wife picked up a gallon of milk yesterday, so you don't need it.  Do you just set the milk down on the bread aisle, since it's not your job to make sure that groceries are stocked in the right place (or don't spoil)?  Or do you put it back where it goes, to make life easier on everyone?

What if they brought the cart back to the store entrance area, out of the parking lot away from where they could cause any damage or get in anyone's way?
I guess that's OK, but my question is that if you put forth that much effort, why not then take it back into the store?  *shrugs*

It's still not "The Cone" though.
True enough.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
TAC, I know you have your reasons.  I mean, I don't get it, but I respect that you have your reasons.

My biggest problem is with fuckers that do it without thinking.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 09, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
What if they brought the cart back to the store entrance area, out of the parking lot away from where they could cause any damage or get in anyone's way?
I guess that's OK, but my question is that if you put forth that much effort, why not then take it back into the store?  *shrugs*

That's what I was thinking in my head, either in the vestibule/entryway to the store, where the carts are stocked (at my store, anyway) or right outside. I will often just leave it outside the main door however, as half the time I'll pass it along to someone who is on their way in with a "You through with that cart?"

This thread has definitely made me more aware of seeing carts left astray at the store. If they are by the entry or otherwise out of the way or cars and customers, it doesn't bother me (as I do this myself) but if they are in the parking lot, that is annoying.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
When I was a kid, there was no such thing as shopping corrals. After the groceries were loaded into the car, we left the carriage in the cross cross of the spaces and some kid would be along soon enough to grab it.
When I was a kid, I could go to a full service gas station and never had to get out of my car.  But times change.

I must be living in the past.  I still don't get out of my car for gas in NJ  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 09, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
This thread has definitely made me more aware of seeing carts left astray at the store.

I still rarely leave them out.  But because of this thread, I definitely leave them out a bit more than I used to, just as a private :Debra: to this thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
well, it's really a fu to everyone in that lot, not to us though  :lol but yea, I definitely am looking at the corrals everytime I go shopping now
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 02:33:20 PM
This thread has definitely made me more aware of seeing carts left astray at the store.

I still rarely leave them out.  But because of this thread, I definitely leave them out a bit more than I used to, just as a private :Debra: to this thread.
I totally get that  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 09, 2019, 04:49:08 PM
TAC, I know you have your reasons.

They're just all bad.


I mean, I don't get it, but I respect that you have your reasons.

I don't.



My biggest problem is with fuckers that do it without thinking.

I have a bigger problem with fuckers who do it deliberately just to make a flaccid point.

But, somehow it's all endearing when Tim does it.  :heart :-*  Love ya, buddy!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
We could all get along if everyone just put their carts back.  :angel:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
We could all get along if everyone just put their carts back.  :angel:

Most people don't know this but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict actually started back in 1946 when a pre-Israeli zionist left a shopping cart in the parking lot of a Palestinian store. True story.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
We could all get along if everyone just put their carts back.  :angel:

Most people don't know this but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict actually started back in 1946 when a pre-Israeli zionist left a shopping cart in the parking lot of a Palestinian store. True story.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 06:21:21 PM
I know that from your point of view, it's someone else's job.  But let me ask you this: if you are in a grocery store, and you pick up a gallon of milk, but then when you get to the bread aisle, you remember that your wife picked up a gallon of milk yesterday, so you don't need it.  Do you just set the milk down on the bread aisle, since it's not your job to make sure that groceries are stocked in the right place (or don't spoil)?  Or do you put it back where it goes, to make life easier on everyone?

It's not that it's someone else's job. That's not it at all.

It's that I take offence that companies started putting these up simply to save labor and insurance costs. That's fine that they do this, but I take it as an insult that I am expected to comply with what THEY want.

Apparently this, over time, has turned into a societal norm of courtesy to others, but as a crusty old dude, I ain't buying it.


Hef, using your milk example, I may or may not bring it all the way back to the milk section, depending on how much time I have, but I will at least drop it into the nearest refrigerated (Produce, Meat, etc..) case. I will not leave it on an unrefrigerated shelf.


It's called evolving Tim.  They passed out cigarettes with matches on the streets to 13 year old kids in the 50's.  Think that's a smart thing to do today?  :lol


But that's completely different. Pretty sure you can't get cancer from parking or not parking your carriage.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 07:24:54 PM
Ok. Cars are not made like the old days. A cart wouldn't make a smudge in the old days.  Now they dent the crap out of cars.  Let's be courteous to your customers and not dent the shit out of our cars.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 08:44:07 PM
The king has spoken.  :metal
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
The king has spoken.  :metal

Back in the old days, the King's cars were pulled by horses.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 08:50:47 PM
The king has spoken.  :metal

Back in the old days, the King's cars were pulled by horses.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozC2VM9R0XSMNKo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: TAC link=3topic=51167.msg2550073#msg2550073 date=1557456384
The king has spoken.  :metal

Back in the old days, the King's cars were pulled by horses.

No. They were V8's and I'd have sex in the backseat without my feet and head touching the doors.


Come at me brah.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 09:10:02 PM
I hope you gave the driver a pair of these for those occasions.

(https://ohgodmywifeisgerman.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/horse-blinders.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
Driver.  That was me in the back seat dude.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
Talk about putting the cart in the corral..
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 09, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
 :lol

Night.


Hey, just like real life!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 10, 2019, 07:10:47 AM
Quote from: TAC link=3topic=51167.msg2550073#msg2550073 date=1557456384
The king has spoken.  :metal

Back in the old days, the King's cars were pulled by horses.

No. They were V8's and I'd have sex in the backseat without my feet and head touching the doors.


Come at me brah.

No argument from me.  This was my first car.  I could rest my beer on the seat next to me and still have room. Zero to 60 in 3.5 minutes, and a stopping distance of about 2.6 miles.  But once it got going, it would cruise like a 747.

(https://i.imgur.com/3x40c2Y.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 10, 2019, 07:18:14 AM
My first car was a 1973 Dodge Coronet.  It was a boat.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 07:45:25 AM
I hope you gave the driver a pair of these for those occasions.

(https://ohgodmywifeisgerman.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/horse-blinders.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2019, 08:22:06 AM
My first car was a '77 Buick Regal.  It had a 350 with a 4 barrel, and was apparently made of some kind of vibranium alloy, because nothing shy of a telephone pole at high speed could make a scratch in it.

I know that from your point of view, it's someone else's job.  But let me ask you this: if you are in a grocery store, and you pick up a gallon of milk, but then when you get to the bread aisle, you remember that your wife picked up a gallon of milk yesterday, so you don't need it.  Do you just set the milk down on the bread aisle, since it's not your job to make sure that groceries are stocked in the right place (or don't spoil)?  Or do you put it back where it goes, to make life easier on everyone?

It's not that it's someone else's job. That's not it at all.

It's that I take offence that companies started putting these up simply to save labor and insurance costs. That's fine that they do this, but I take it as an insult that I am expected to comply with what THEY want.

Apparently this, over time, has turned into a societal norm of courtesy to others, but as a crusty old dude, I ain't buying it.
So on this particular subject, you are just stuck in 1975 and refuse to budge?  That's just the way it is?

Just trying to be clear here.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 10, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
My Dodge was called "The Bondo Buddy" by my friends.  If a girl went out with me it wasn't for the car. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 10, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
My first car was a 1973 Dodge Coronet.  It was a boat.

1972 Chevy Caprice. That back seat was Heaven-sent. And when the Italian side of my family had a job for me to do, the trunk could fit plenty of bodies...wait. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on May 11, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
The king has spoken.  :metal

Back in the old days, the King's cars were pulled by horses.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1guRIRFV5gN4ikrUakg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 11, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
I see TAC has been terrorizing my local Walmart...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Twqvfv9n/1Wkgijf.png)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 11, 2019, 07:38:21 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2019, 08:31:20 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 11, 2019, 09:13:03 PM
Spent the day in Boston today. I took a pic of Kingshmegland parking his ..um..car.


(https://i.imgur.com/pqcJLCh.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 11, 2019, 09:38:43 PM
I'm going to Cambridge Mass tomorrow.   I can post a pick of my Corolla tomorrow if you'd like? Your pick is much more comfortable Tim.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2019, 09:36:52 AM
Spent the day in Boston today. I took a pic of Kingshmegland parking his ..um..car.


(https://i.imgur.com/pqcJLCh.jpg)

Parked in front of a bar; I'm buying it.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 10:16:25 AM
I sent Tim a picture of me putting the cart back in the corral at Home Depot on Saturday evening. He called me a "Suckah!" See, even on text, dude can't shake his accent.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 13, 2019, 10:30:54 AM
I see TAC has been terrorizing my local Walmart...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Twqvfv9n/1Wkgijf.png)

The cart in the foreground is right where it should be.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 10:34:08 AM
I see TAC has been terrorizing my local Walmart...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Twqvfv9n/1Wkgijf.png)

The cart in the foreground is right where it should be.

(https://i.imgur.com/ScH2XrS.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 16, 2019, 11:55:19 PM
Every time. It takes ten extra seconds out of your day. Just respect the establishment you're visiting and return the cart to it's proper place.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 20, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Every time. It takes ten extra seconds out of your day. Just respect the establishment you're visiting and return the cart to it's proper place.

Not just respect for the establishment but also everyone who frequents the establishment.  :tup
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
Every time. It takes ten extra seconds out of your day. Just respect the establishment you're visiting and return the cart to it's proper place.

Not just respect for the establishment but also everyone who frequents the establishment.  :tup

Yup, Tim often brings up the establishment side of things, and I don't think that's important to me.  It's respecting everyone who shares the lot.  It's super annoying to have a cart in spaces or worse, on the loose so I do my part to make sure I am not the one who does things that I am annoyed by.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 20, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2019, 04:13:48 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 20, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

Amen!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 20, 2019, 05:42:55 PM
I don't know why, but it feels like in every 99$ store I see, there are shopping carts all over the place and one store in particular is in a pretty busy parking lot with all kinds of restaurants and a 85 degrees bakery.  I just don't get it.  Other supermarkets, it's not as big of an issue, but in a 99$ store, yes.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2019, 05:52:22 PM
I don't know why, but it feels like in every 99$ store I see, there are shopping carts all over the place and one store in particular is in a pretty busy parking lot with all kinds of restaurants and a 85 degrees bakery.  I just don't get it.  Other supermarkets, it's not as big of an issue, but in a 99$ store, yes.

It's because they're counting on suckahs to do their work for them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 20, 2019, 05:53:03 PM
Cheap store, cheap clientele.

Put your damn carts back. *slams gavel*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 21, 2019, 07:13:01 AM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

If I get you straight, your logic is that it's the store's/employees responsibility to put the carts in the coral / bring them back to the store?  That said, where does the service they provide start / stop?  Should they take it from you at your trunk after you've loaded your groceries?  Should they escort you from the store to your car?  Should they escort you through the store and pick the shelves for you?

Look, at some point, customers own the responsibility of their shopping experience.  I guess that's the difference here... many feel that extends all the way to the "return" of the cart to the coral; others do not.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 21, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
I was in Florida this weekend, visiting my parents.  Mom and I went to Publix for some stuff, and as I'm loading up the car, I see this woman who had to be at least 80, but possibly 114, shuffling by me going away from the store with an empty cart.  Where was she going, you ask?  TO PUT THE CART IN THE CORRAL.   If Keith Richards' mother can put away the cart, you can too.

(For the record, I took it from her and brought BOTH our carts to the stall, to save her some precious steps.)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2019, 02:34:43 PM
If I get you straight, your logic is that it's the store's/employees responsibility to put the carts in the coral / bring them back to the store?  That said, where does the service they provide start / stop?  Should they take it from you at your trunk after you've loaded your groceries?  Should they escort you from the store to your car? 

A lot of stores do offer carry out service.

I mean, J Boy, you understand why the corrals are there right?


Look, at some point, customers own the responsibility of their shopping experience. I guess that's the difference here... many feel that extends all the way to the "return" of the cart to the coral; others do not.

Yeah, I agree with the bolded part.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 21, 2019, 03:52:08 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

Amen!

Come on guys.  Ya'll should know the difference between apples and oranges by now.  Being courteous and respectful to others who also use the parking lot isn't a full time job and it costs absolutely nothing.


Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

If I get you straight, your logic is that it's the store's/employees responsibility to put the carts in the coral / bring them back to the store?  That said, where does the service they provide start / stop?  Should they take it from you at your trunk after you've loaded your groceries?  Should they escort you from the store to your car?  Should they escort you through the store and pick the shelves for you?

Look, at some point, customers own the responsibility of their shopping experience.  I guess that's the difference here... many feel that extends all the way to the "return" of the cart to the coral; others do not.

Agreed.  Letting us use "their" shopping carts is also included in that service.  They also provide the corrals as well.  The least anyone can do is help to keep an organized parking lot that isn't cluttered with rogue carts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2019, 04:16:29 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D


Hell I might as well since the Sunday add shows a sale and 10 sm, the shelves are empty.   


You lazy bleeps.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
It's the warehouse's fault!  ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
Managers.

*cough cough*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 21, 2019, 05:58:08 PM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

Amen!

Come on guys.  Ya'll should know the difference between apples and oranges by now.  Being courteous and respectful to others who also use the parking lot isn't a full time job and it costs absolutely nothing.

One can be courteous without using the corrals, and I am always courteous to others by leaving my cart in a place that will not impede anyone from parking or result in cartnados.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2019, 06:17:50 PM
Right. I always make sure it's not rolling. If it's really windy, I'll prop it up on a curb or bring it to the corral. But you guys act like it's some crime against humanity if you don't do the store's work.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2019, 07:32:51 PM
Nope.  I just think you're a lazy ass.

Tee Hee.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 07:20:01 AM
I mean you would think the argument that leaving stray carts out poses potential hazards to customers' cars, and leaves them open for stealing, would be more than enough to convince people to take a few more seconds out of their day to do the right thing but apparently not, because TAC is a curmudgeon.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2019, 07:42:58 AM
Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 08:01:14 AM
Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?

Only Sookie Stackhouse knows that place.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 08:32:49 AM
Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?

I'll just say there have been arguments made for pinning the wheels of the cart up against a curb, or something like that, to anchor them. I know...  :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 22, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
Agreed.  Hell, last week, I even pushed carts to the back of the corral to make room for more.   :justjen

You should've gone back in and stocked the store's shelves for them too. Or maybe bake some muffins for the display case. Maybe step behind the fish counter and give the worker a coffee break..;D

Amen!

Come on guys.  Ya'll should know the difference between apples and oranges by now.  Being courteous and respectful to others who also use the parking lot isn't a full time job and it costs absolutely nothing.

One can be courteous without using the corrals, and I am always courteous to others by leaving my cart in a place that will not impede anyone from parking or result in cartnados.

:umno:  Unless you're taking it back into the store.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?

I'll just say there have been arguments made for pinning the wheels of the cart up against a curb, or something like that, to anchor them. I know...  :lol :lol

I only do that if the cart corral is really full, I parked far from the store and if the ledges are big enough where I can anchor it without blocking parking spots.

If stores are really concerned about carts being stolen, they would get the carts that lock up when you go past the lines. We have one store called Talin Market that has these, they're kind of a small business (Asian Market) so it's reasonable. Which the big chain stores shouldn't have a problem installing, if they really cared about cart stealing
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 10:32:42 AM
That's a really cool idea, I just don't know how financially viable it is for a lot of stores that aren't big chains. Within eyesight of where I'm sitting is a local grocery store with a residential neighborhood right across the street, and since I was a kid, I've seen people from over there just take the carts across the street full of groceries back home! I saw one of them bring a cart back to go shopping, too!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 22, 2019, 10:42:49 AM
Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?

Of course this is store-specific but at my store there are plenty of spaces that would qualify by both entrances.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2019, 10:55:15 AM
Right. I always make sure it's not rolling. If it's really windy, I'll prop it up on a curb or bring it to the corral. But you guys act like it's some crime against humanity if you don't do the store's work.

I stopped at the grocery store on my way home from work yesterday.  As I pulled into the parking space, someone had left a cart perfectly placed on the + between spaces.  I shed a small tear at the perfection that was before me and thought of this thread and scoffed.


I mean you would think the argument that leaving stray carts out poses potential hazards to customers' cars, and leaves them open for stealing, would be more than enough to convince people to take a few more seconds out of their day to do the right thing but apparently not, because TAC is a curmudgeon.  :lol

Because putting them in a corral makes them somehow not "open for stealing"?!


Where is this magical place that you can leave a cart other than the corral, where it won't impede anyone or has no potential to do damage?

Where is this magical place where shopping carts are capable of locomotion?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 11:25:07 AM
Well, no, but putting the carts in the store technically doesn't stop anyone from stealing them either. You can't deny however it is far more likely someone would steal one that is positioned conveniently at the end of a parking lot than way up in the corral wegded in amongst all the others. Just sayin'.

Locomotion... We have gone over this many times in this thread. Uneven parking lots allow carts - the ones that DON'T have fudged up wheels, mind! - to roll. Strong winds can push carts. People who back up into a cart some dunderhead dropped off behind their vehicle can cause them to move. Nobody's saying these things have engines or minds of their own but they're pretty real and common occurrences, dawg  :biggrin: themoreyouknow.jpg
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 22, 2019, 11:27:41 AM
Stealing carts isnít the issue here.  If carts arenít in the designated corrals, then store employees are wasting time running around the parking lot all day gathering stray carts.  The company doesnít want their employees doing that.  Itís time consuming and a safety risk liability.  Thatís the main reason the corrals are there.  Anything else just doesnít make sense no matter how you slice it.  Unless they just eliminate shopping carts altogether.


Right. I always make sure it's not rolling. If it's really windy, I'll prop it up on a curb or bring it to the corral. But you guys act like it's some crime against humanity if you don't do the store's work.

It's not doing the store's work.  It's creating more unnecessary work for someone else because some people can't make a small contribution for the good of everybody involved.  It really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 11:28:27 AM
Also that's such an exaggeration, acting like it's a crime against humanity. No, I just don't want my f'ing car damaged!  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
because some people can't make a small contribution for the good of everybody involved.  It really is as simple as that.

When did we change lanes and start talking about Obamacare?   :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
because some people can't make a small contribution for the good of everybody involved.  It really is as simple as that.

When did we change lanes and start talking about Obamacare?   :lol

Don't you dare bring up......

































Changing lanes!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
Also that's such an exaggeration, acting like it's a crime against humanity. No, I just don't want my f'ing car damaged!  :rollin

If you drove a KIA Sedona, you wouldn't care either.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 12:36:54 PM
250k and counting....
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 12:46:12 PM
250k and counting....

A lot of hard miles under that hood I'll bet.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
250k and counting....

Damn I've got 9 months left for my Corolla at 160,000 and I'm dying for a new truck.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 22, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Rookies.

I put 280,000  miles on a 1989 CHEVY CAVALIER (well, between my parents and myself) that I sold 19 years ago before going up to Massachusetts for law school. The new owner told me (he was a neighbor from back home in NY) that it lasted two more years, and almost 20k more miles (I think he got rid of it just shy of 300k).

 :rollin

I got damn lucky with that car. It only let me down once. Friday night, driving back home from work (I worked in western Nassau County on Long Island) during the summer of 1997. I hit all the Hamptons traffic, and the car blew like three hoses on the Southern State once I got into Suffolk County.  :lol But other than that -- GOLD. And I always made sure it was parked as far away from those ghastly shopping carts lazy people didn't put back in the corrals.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
Well, no, but putting the carts in the store technically doesn't stop anyone from stealing them either. You can't deny however it is far more likely someone would steal one that is positioned conveniently at the end of a parking lot than way up in the corral wegded in amongst all the others. Just sayin'.

I don't know about you, but the stores I shop at have corrals at various locations.  It's not like they're all right outside the store, so I can think of no reason why putting a cart in a corral would have any impact at all on its susceptibility to theft.


If carts arenít in the designated corrals, then store employees are wasting time running around the parking lot all day gathering stray carts.

An employee performing one of his/her job duties is not "wasting time."  That's like saying I'm "wasting time" reviewing contracts.  It's part of my job, just as it's part of the store employees' jobs to retrieve carts.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 01:13:19 PM
Well, the pack survives while the lone wolf dies. The cart on its own is an easier target.  :lol

250k and counting....

Damn I've got 9 months left for my Corolla at 160,000 and I'm dying for a new truck.

I have an 02 Nissan Sentra. It hasn't even cracked 74k miles yet. Bought it in '15 with 41.9k on it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2019, 01:16:08 PM
Well, no, but putting the carts in the store technically doesn't stop anyone from stealing them either. You can't deny however it is far more likely someone would steal one that is positioned conveniently at the end of a parking lot than way up in the corral wegded in amongst all the others. Just sayin'.

I don't know about you, but the stores I shop at have corrals at various locations.  It's not like they're all right outside the store, so I can think of no reason why putting a cart in a corral would have any impact at all on its susceptibility to theft.


If carts arenít in the designated corrals, then store employees are wasting time running around the parking lot all day gathering stray carts.

An employee performing one of his/her job duties is not "wasting time."  That's like saying I'm "wasting time" reviewing contracts.  It's part of my job, just as it's part of the store employees' jobs to retrieve carts.

Yes, but if those contracts were written in 5 different languages, and the person writing them could have easily translated them but didn't, then you'd be wasting time by having to translate them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2019, 01:20:16 PM
250k and counting....

Damn I've got 9 months left for my Corolla at 160,000 and I'm dying for a new truck.

I have an 02 Nissan Sentra. It hasn't even cracked 74k miles yet. Bought it in '15 with 41.9k on it.

Dang...drive a little!   ;D

My '06 Honda has >225k miles and will likely be put out to pasture within the next few weeks.  Gonna be really weird driving something new after all this time.


Yes, but if those contracts were written in 5 different languages, and the person writing them could have easily translated them but didn't, then you'd be wasting time by having to translate them.

Well...since I'm not qualified to translate any languages, you're certainly right.  On the other hand, if I were qualified and it was part of my job, then it wouldn't be "wasting time."  It might be "wasting time" for a store manager to retrieve carts, but it certainly isn't for a person who was specifically hired to do exactly that (among other things).
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 22, 2019, 01:56:05 PM
because some people can't make a small contribution for the good of everybody involved.  It really is as simple as that.

When did we change lanes and start talking about Obamacare?   :lol

Just now by you comparing apples and oranges. :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2019, 02:04:55 PM
An employee performing one of his/her job duties is not "wasting time."  That's like saying I'm "wasting time" reviewing contracts.  It's part of my job, just as it's part of the store employees' jobs to retrieve carts.

Not exactly apples and apples.   We're not talking about a marketable skill. 

Pumping gas is a similar thing: I can pay $2.52 a gallon, and pump it myself, or I can pay $3.02 a gallon and have someone stand there and pump it for me.   I got an estimate for $1100 for the brakes on my car; or I can go buy pads and rotors for about $250 and do it myself.   That's what we're dealing with here.  It's the choice between paying $7.99 a pound for steak and bring my cart back individually myself (or restock stuff that assholes put in their cart then take back out four aisles down; yes, I've done that) or paying $9.99 a pound and have someone do it for us. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 22, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
If carts arenít in the designated corrals, then store employees are wasting time running around the parking lot all day gathering stray carts.

An employee performing one of his/her job duties is not "wasting time."  That's like saying I'm "wasting time" reviewing contracts.  It's part of my job, just as it's part of the store employees' jobs to retrieve carts.

Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 22, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
I love this thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 02:21:57 PM
  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well. 

Steve, bingo! I would also add, the safety liability concern is nowhere near as great as the property liability.

I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.

I mean, it's not like I litter, it's not like I don't hold the door open for others, etc... But I'll be damned if I'll succumb to shaming with corporate greed as the root.


How many of you Corral Champions smoke? I assume you also use your ashtray and not throw your butt out the window, right?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 02:30:23 PM
Actually most places specifically say they aren't liable for car damages. Which is further motivation for everyone to put cars back so you don't have to deal with insurance companies or having to pay out of pocket. Go to any Wal-Mart for example, the corral signs say they aren't liable.

You have gone into full blown "The Maaaan" mode over shopping carts and I love it. :hug:  :lol (also I don't smoke regularly but when I do I put my butts out in an ashtray or a can of some kind)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 02:33:50 PM
Actually most places specifically say they aren't liable for car damages.

Yup, they sure do.


You have gone into full blown "The Maaaan" mode over shopping carts and I love it. :hug:  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2019, 02:38:02 PM
How many of you Corral Champions smoke? I assume you also use your ashtray and not throw your butt out the window, right?

Ugh this just reminded me, the guy in front of me in traffic this morning dropped a dirty napkin or paper towel onto the nj turnpike just so conveniently.  Kind of pissed me off to see someone litter like that, I made it look like I had to drive slowly around roadkill when it was time to inch up in the traffic.  Oh, this isn't the things that make me mad thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 02:46:56 PM
  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well. 

Steve, bingo! I would also add, the safety liability concern is nowhere near as great as the property liability.

I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.

I mean, it's not like I litter, it's not like I don't hold the door open for others, etc... But I'll be damned if I'll succumb to shaming with corporate greed as the root.


How many of you Corral Champions smoke? I assume you also use your ashtray and not throw your butt out the window, right?

I find it weird because I never heard these issues back in the day.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: orcus116 on May 22, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
I love this thread.

The most whimsical aspect of this thread in particular is when there's a slew of activity, then a few months of hibernation, then it just comes roaring back for a bit of action before fading away. It's the ultimate "oh God not this shit again  :lol" thread and I love it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2019, 03:09:02 PM
I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.
They DO pay kids to get carts.  Or rather, they pay them to bring them inside the store from outside the store.

That doesn't mean that their job is to wait eagerly to get them from everywhere that some less thoughtful person decided to leave it.  The corral is the place to put them (unless you go the extra mile and return it all the way inside the store).  That way, the kids can go to the corrals, get the carts, and bring them inside.  Very simple, very easy, and I don't have to navigate wayward carts all over the fucking place.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.
They DO pay kids to get carts.  Or rather, they pay them to bring them inside the store from outside the store.

That doesn't mean that their job is to wait eagerly to get them from everywhere that some less thoughtful person decided to leave it.  The corral is the place to put them (unless you go the extra mile and return it all the way inside the store).  That way, the kids can go to the corrals, get the carts, and bring them inside.  Very simple, very easy, and I don't have to navigate wayward carts all over the fucking place.

It's to save labor costs, Hef. And insurance costs. They don't give a fuck about you navigating through carts. I'm not going to be their bitch.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
How is putting your cart back "being their bitch?!"  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 03:21:34 PM
Getting cars was always part of the job description.  Big business looking to get more for doing less. Like the full service where they cleaned your windshield.

Now we pay much more for less service.  This is big business screwing us.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2019, 03:22:00 PM
I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.
They DO pay kids to get carts.  Or rather, they pay them to bring them inside the store from outside the store.

That doesn't mean that their job is to wait eagerly to get them from everywhere that some less thoughtful person decided to leave it.  The corral is the place to put them (unless you go the extra mile and return it all the way inside the store).  That way, the kids can go to the corrals, get the carts, and bring them inside.  Very simple, very easy, and I don't have to navigate wayward carts all over the fucking place.

It's to save labor costs, Hef. And insurance costs. They don't give a fuck about you navigating through carts. I'm not going to be their bitch.
Their lower labor costs and insurance costs equal lower grocery costs for me.  That's how business works.  And it's not "being their bitch", it is saving someone else from dealing with trouble that I have had to deal with before.

I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
Their lower labor costs and insurance costs equal lower grocery costs for me. 

Did the Easter Bunny bring you a nice basket this year?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 03:36:07 PM
  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well. 

Steve, bingo! I would also add, the safety liability concern is nowhere near as great as the property liability.

I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.

I mean, it's not like I litter, it's not like I don't hold the door open for others, etc... But I'll be damned if I'll succumb to shaming with corporate greed as the root.

You realize this MAKES the point why people should return carts to the coral, and not leave hem scattered across the lot?  It's post like this that make confuse me as to whether you are for or against corals!?!?!?!

So you don't litter, but you'll leave a massive steel crate on wheels lying around (screw that man!), but will do your part for society and find the central location (ie, garbage bins) to put your KitKat wrapper.

I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

You're not following this thread close enough.  :rollin
Their lower labor costs and insurance costs equal lower grocery costs for me. 

Did the Easter Bunny bring you a nice basket this year?

C'mon Tim, your not so dense to not know businesses will pass cost on to consumers.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2019, 03:40:50 PM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

Tim has a lot of unique views that are surprising. Don't get him started on car washes and leaf blowers.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 22, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
I totally get what you're saying Tim, but I don't think of that way.  Yes, companies have their own reasons for doing things and I've named a few.  My thing is, if they put corrals in the parking lot for whatever reasons that make sense or don't, I might as well do my part in helping to reduce the clutter.  I don't think anyone is saying you have to do it, but I definitely think it's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 03:42:46 PM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

Tim has a lot of unique views that are surprising. Don't get him started on car washes and leaf blowers.  :lol

Too late. I have to know this now that you've brought it up, and we'll need threads depending on how outlandish the views are.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
An employee performing one of his/her job duties is not "wasting time."  That's like saying I'm "wasting time" reviewing contracts.  It's part of my job, just as it's part of the store employees' jobs to retrieve carts.

Not exactly apples and apples.   We're not talking about a marketable skill. 

Pumping gas is a similar thing: I can pay $2.52 a gallon, and pump it myself, or I can pay $3.02 a gallon and have someone stand there and pump it for me.   I got an estimate for $1100 for the brakes on my car; or I can go buy pads and rotors for about $250 and do it myself.   That's what we're dealing with here.  It's the choice between paying $7.99 a pound for steak and bring my cart back individually myself (or restock stuff that assholes put in their cart then take back out four aisles down; yes, I've done that) or paying $9.99 a pound and have someone do it for us.

Are you saying that grocery stores in your area will give you a discount on your meat purchase for "bring[ing] your cart back"?!?!

Unless that's true, I don't see any relevance.  Nor is the full-service versus self-service or the do-it-yourself brake job analogy (the former doesn't exist where I am).  In all of your examples, the customer is reaping a direct financial benefit by undertaking work that could be performed at a cost by someone else.  I get no direct benefit (financial or otherwise) by doing anything in particular with my cart, and I think it's at least debatable whether I get an indirect benefit (in the form of reduced overall prices at the store).

My analogy was simply that some employees have multiple job duties.  While it is certainly true that spending time on Duty #6 will reduce the available time for Duty #1, that doesn't make Duty #6 a "waste of time."


Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.

Err....  I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.


Actually most places specifically say they aren't liable for car damages.

Yup, they sure do.

And just because they "say" it doesn't make it so.


I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

Not anymore.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: XJDenton on May 22, 2019, 03:44:04 PM
It's the cleaners' job to clean all parts of my workplace, but that doesn't mean they aren't wasting their time if I decide to defecate in the sink rather than the toilet and they have to clean up after me. It would on the other hand make me a colossal wankstain.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:47:48 PM
  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well. 

Steve, bingo! I would also add, the safety liability concern is nowhere near as great as the property liability.

I hate the fact that because the company doesn't want to pay kids to get carriages, or is more concerned with not paying damage claims (all legit corporate concerns..) that I am expected to conform to bringing my carriage to the corral. I said this before, maybe the passage of time makes it acceptable and expected behavior. Maybe those tides have already started turning. But I fucking hate that. I just do.

I mean, it's not like I litter, it's not like I don't hold the door open for others, etc... But I'll be damned if I'll succumb to shaming with corporate greed as the root.

You realize this MAKES the point why people should return carts to the coral, and not leave hem scattered across the lot?  It's post like this that make confuse me as to whether you are for or against corals!?!?!?!

So you don't litter, but you'll leave a massive steel crate on wheels lying around (screw that man!), but will do your part for society and find the central location (ie, garbage bins) to put your KitKat wrapper.

Seriously, I'm not against corrals. But let's just understand why they're there. I'm insulted that just because they are out there, that a company can attach a sign to it that they are not responsible for carriage claims. That should insult everyone that shops there.
I'm sorry, I can't get past that.

Now I'm not saying I don't use the corrals. I do if it's convenient. I may flip the cart backwards so it doesn't move, or I may park it on a curb. I may leave it on the crisscross of spaces. I will not leave it unattended in a storm.

You guys see what's happening...THE MAN is turning us against each other! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:48:07 PM
It's the cleaners' job to clean all parts of my workplace, but that doesn't mean they aren't wasting their time if I decide to defecate in the sink rather than the toilet and they have to clean up after me. It would on the other hand make me a colossal wankstain.

That's a shitty example.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2019, 03:49:05 PM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

Tim has a lot of unique views that are surprising. Don't get him started on car washes and leaf blowers.  :lol

Too late. I have to know this now that you've brought it up, and we'll need threads depending on how outlandish the views are.  :lol

Car washes are stupid and a waste of money because, well, rain!

Cleaning up the fallen leaves from your yard is a waste of time and money because, well, wind!

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:49:48 PM
Makes total sense to me!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2019, 03:50:19 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 03:51:03 PM
Car washes are stupid and a waste of money because, well, rain!

Cleaning up the fallen leaves from your yard is a waste of time and money because, well, wind!

 :lol :lol

Omg  :lol Why bother wiping your ass? It's just gonna get shitty again!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 03:52:10 PM
Pg, the analogy was what we got back in the day to what we get now for our dollar.  Corporate takes a lot more and those little thing like cart services are put out to pasture.

Now there is scan your own food kiosks.   Dont have to pay for baggers and cashiers.  Let the shoppers bag their own food and save money.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 03:52:50 PM
Car washes are stupid and a waste of money because, well, rain!

Cleaning up the fallen leaves from your yard is a waste of time and money because, well, wind!

 :lol :lol

Omg  :lol Why bother wiping your ass? It's just gonna get shitty again!



Isn't that what underwear is for?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 03:55:17 PM
Tim, I dare you to tell your wife that.  You'll be soooooory! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 22, 2019, 03:57:20 PM
(https://marcel-oehler.marcellosendos.ch/comics/ch/1993/11/19931106.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: XJDenton on May 22, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
That's a shitty example.

*rimshot*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
This is definitely my favorite thread on the forum.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2019, 04:18:11 PM
Tim, I dare you to tell your wife that.  You'll be soooooory! :lol

I wipe my self. But I did need her to put on one of my socks the other day! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
I can't laugh at that. Lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 07:22:10 AM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

Tim has a lot of unique views that are surprising. Don't get him started on car washes and leaf blowers.  :lol

Too late. I have to know this now that you've brought it up, and we'll need threads depending on how outlandish the views are.  :lol

Car washes are stupid and a waste of money because, well, rain!

Cleaning up the fallen leaves from your yard is a waste of time and money because, well, wind!

 :lol :lol
Wouldn't surprise me in the least.  lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
I once knew a woman with a white car who hadn't washed it the entire time she owned it. 7 years. In Colorado. She was genuinely offended when I suggested she finally wash it, because "it's just going to get dirty again."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on May 23, 2019, 07:48:00 AM
I'm on vacation now and I was wondering what reading material I'm going to bring, I've decided that this thread will be a good place to start.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 07:49:37 AM
I'm on vacation now and I was wondering what reading material I'm going to bring, I've decided that this thread will be a good place to start.

Great plan.  Hit a couple of the gems in the archive section, and you'll be entertained for days.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on May 23, 2019, 07:51:42 AM
Yea I might do that :lol

My opinion is that you put the carts in the corral, that's it. It's a pain in the ass to have them scattered and possibly taking up parking spaces. Now to see how this became an issue over the past 23 pages
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
Yea I might do that :lol

My opinion is that you put the carts in the corral, that's it. It's a pain in the ass to have them scattered and possibly taking up parking spaces. Now to see how this became an issue over the past 23 pages

It's Tim against the world.  That's the issue. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2019, 08:21:19 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
<Deleted, because probably a little too far off topic.  I'll stick to shopping carts and corrals. >
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 08:39:46 AM
Was it about Hillary? I bet it was about Hillary.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 23, 2019, 08:40:37 AM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

You're not following this thread close enough.  :rollin

:lol  Exactly.  Hef, you might want to talk to the majority of Northern Californians.  I can't speak to other areas, but here, MOST people are of the opinion that "it's a good idea, and I usually do it, but it's certainly not REQUIRED."  I guess, at the end of the day, it's nice that nowadays, most stores have multiple corrals so that it's usually (but not always) easier to put them in the corrals than not so that the few cart crusaders out there can keep their blood pressure under control. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 23, 2019, 08:42:23 AM
I guess, at the end of the day, it's nice that nowadays, most stores have multiple corrals so that it's usually (but not always) easier to put them in the corrals than not so that the few cart crusaders out there can keep their blood pressure under control.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 08:45:29 AM
I love you, but you are literally the only person I have ever heard with this point of view.

You're not following this thread close enough.  :rollin

:lol  Exactly.  Hef, you might want to talk to the majority of Northern Californians.  I can't speak to other areas, but here, MOST people are of the opinion that "it's a good idea, and I usually do it, but it's certainly not REQUIRED."  I guess, at the end of the day, it's nice that nowadays, most stores have multiple corrals so that it's usually (but not always) easier to put them in the corrals than not so that the few cart crusaders out there can keep their blood pressure under control.
To be fair, the attitude you are describing is not remotely the same as TAC "refusing to be their bitch".
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 23, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
Well, true.  But TAC is weird.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 23, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Well, true.  But TAC is weird.

Truth. And we love him for it.  :lol

But if I am ever near shopping carts, and his 250k mileage vehicle, I am SURROUNDING it with carts. I mean, so many that he won't dare try to drive through em all.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2019, 08:57:36 AM
Well, true.  But TAC is weird.

Truth. And we love him for it.  :lol

But if I am ever near shopping carts, and his 250k mileage vehicle, I am SURROUNDING it with carts. I mean, so many that he won't dare try to drive through em all.

(https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bd0yhfscyaaprhg.jpg?w=580&h=385)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
That's a very strange looking Kia Sedona.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on May 23, 2019, 09:33:25 AM
Well, true.  But TAC is weird.

Truth. And we love him for it.  :lol

But if I am ever near shopping carts, and his 250k mileage vehicle, I am SURROUNDING it with carts. I mean, so many that he won't dare try to drive through em all.

(https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bd0yhfscyaaprhg.jpg?w=580&h=385)

Gonna be done. lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 23, 2019, 10:18:09 AM
Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.

Err....  I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.

Looks like you're still seeing orange apples.  I suppose you can continue to argue whatever point you're trying to make, but the simplest concept still remains.  If someone lets you use their shopping cart, the least you can do is stick in their corral.  :p 
:lol :rollin :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 24, 2019, 11:43:36 AM
Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.

Err....  I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.

Looks like you're still seeing orange apples.  I suppose you can continue to argue whatever point you're trying to make, but the simplest concept still remains.  If someone lets you use their shopping cart, the least you can do is stick in their corral.  :p 
:lol :rollin :lol

No, the least I can do is leave it in their parking lot in a location that will neither pose a reasonable risk of damage to others' cars or inhibit others from parking, which is exactly what I do.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
That sound like too much effort to walk that far to leave a cart somewhere it won't damage a car.  Might as well bring it to the corral.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 24, 2019, 12:31:40 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

I want to buy you a steak dinner.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 24, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

I want to buy you a steak dinner.

LOL Thank you :)
But in full disclosure, I do not put the cart back in the corral more than half the time.  I am lazy, I admit it.
Its funny reading the gymnastics some go through to justify simple laziness.  Kind of pathetic actually.
But one hell of a read though....Thread of the year for sure.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 01:12:02 PM
... okay, it's a steak dinner, but we're going to Applebee's now.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 24, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
Ouch.  I donít think I want a steak from Applebeeís.
Iíll just take a beer :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 24, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
So I went to grocery outlet Wednesday. Did my shopping, loaded up my car, and decided to not put my cart back into a corral. I felt so edgy. I want to feel it again. I'm going to go walk on grass with a "Stay Off Grass" sign, jay walk, and let my dog pee in a spot with one of these on it: (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/616lWTbSCBL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 24, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Yeah! Stick it to the man, Jay!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2019, 02:15:45 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness. 

Oh, OK. thanks for clearing that up. That's your opinion. You can pass judgement all you want.

If you don't think those corrals are there because of everything you list in the first sentence of your post, I don't know what to tell you..
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 24, 2019, 03:40:06 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness. 

Oh, OK. thanks for clearing that up. That's your opinion. You can pass judgement all you want.

If you don't think those corrals are there because of everything you list in the first sentence of your post, I don't know what to tell you..

Well I did actually put "JMHO" in my actual post, so yes, it is my opinion.
And you may be right that the corrals might be there because of some of those reasons (and others).....but my point was about why you dont USE them, not why they were built.....so I don't know what to tell you I guess.....
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 24, 2019, 04:10:50 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

I disagree that it is laziness to do something I have zero obligation to do just because it will require minimal time and effort to do it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness. 

Oh, OK. thanks for clearing that up. That's your opinion. You can pass judgement all you want.

If you don't think those corrals are there because of everything you list in the first sentence of your post, I don't know what to tell you..

Well I did actually put "JMHO" in my actual post, so yes, it is my opinion.
And you may be right that the corrals might be there because of some of those reasons (and others).....but my point was about why you dont USE them, not why they were built.....so I don't know what to tell you I guess.....

I was too lazy to finish reading your post.  ;D I see it now.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on May 24, 2019, 04:29:17 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

I disagree that it is laziness to do something I have zero obligation to do just because it will require minimal time and effort to do it.

Speaking as a non-US person so I don't know if that applies to your country, guys, but still.

Well, technically, you also have zero obligation to hold the door for the folks behind you. The subway (or whatever place you're in) should hire a person to hold the doors for them. You don't have to do it, it's not on you to hold the fucking doors. You also have zero obligation to surrender your seat in a bus to a pregnant woman or an elderly person. The bus company should add more seats or hire an enforcer to make you leave that seat so they could sit, or to keep those seats unoccupied until such a person boards the bus. Why would you surrender your own seat? That's bullshit, it's not on you, they should plan that shit accordingly to the amount of people on that route (side note: they actually should).

Hilariously, in Russia, you also have zero obligation to clean after your dog when you're walking him/her in your neighbourhood, because hey, you've got cleaning folks for that. They're responsible for cleaning the nearby territory. It's their job. So there's basically shit everywhere, and while that might sound as a metaphor, and it actually works as a fucking metaphor too, it actually isn't that. There's literally fucking shit everywhere, come spring. Fuck me.

I just don't know. This thread pisses me off so much. And Tim, I still love you, no matter what you stance on the shopping carts is.

Edit: it's also a good way to tell I've been drinkingóif you see me posting in this thread, I've been drinking.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
... okay, it's a steak dinner, but we're going to Applebee's now.  :lol

damn, but yea the severe downgrade makes sense  :lol

It's funny how every time I have a cart and finish loading my car with groceries that I immediately think of this thread
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2019, 04:39:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
I send pictures to Tim of the corrals when I shop.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2019, 05:53:16 PM
I send pictures to Tim of the corrals when I shop.

You're not the only DTFer that does that! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
GET OUT! :lol

OUT YOURSELVES! LOL
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 06:33:47 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 24, 2019, 07:19:27 PM
You also have zero obligation to surrender your seat in a bus to a pregnant woman or an elderly person.

Not sure if regional or national but on the transit system I used to ride you are required to give up your seat for the elderly/handicapped. Not sure if you have to for pregnant women.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
You also have zero obligation to surrender your seat in a bus to a pregnant woman or an elderly person.

Not sure if regional or national but on the transit system I used to ride you are required to give up your seat for the elderly/handicapped. Not sure if you have to for pregnant women.

I bet she left the carriage next to a car.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Evermind on May 25, 2019, 07:24:33 AM
You also have zero obligation to surrender your seat in a bus to a pregnant woman or an elderly person.

Not sure if regional or national but on the transit system I used to ride you are required to give up your seat for the elderly/handicapped. Not sure if you have to for pregnant women.

It's suggested and encouraged here, but it's not required or enforced.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 25, 2019, 11:48:56 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

Just looked up the definition of "lazy" just to make sure it didn't change when I wasn't looking.  That pretty much confirmed that laziness has NOTHING to do with what PG and others have posted.  Properly leaving a cart somewhere other than a corral has nothing to do with laziness.  What a pointlessly judgmental thing to say. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on May 26, 2019, 03:07:37 AM
To all of you saying that you leave your carts in the parking lot in a place that won't be in the way or cause damage to other peoples property, you know the store has conveniently already made a place for that (most stores have multiple places, usually within a 10 second walk of any parking space on the lot), called a cart corral.

Or if you have to leave it somewhere else, at least put it in the bike lanes along the street, since the bicyclists don't use them... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 26, 2019, 03:21:05 AM
I mean it really doesn't matter if you 'properly' leave it somewhere else anyway because there's already a designated place for it. One that's made of steel, and built for the sole purpose of keeping them all together. Ain't that unreasonable to call it laziness tbh. EDIT: But if you do leave it out... if your car one day gets damaged, you'll find no sympathy here! :lol

EDIT 2: What Pup said.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on May 26, 2019, 03:22:35 AM
I mean it really doesn't matter if you 'properly' leave it somewhere else anyway because there's already a designated place for it. One that's made of steel, and built for the sole purpose of keeping them all together. Ain't that unreasonable to call it laziness (which it is!).
That was my point
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 26, 2019, 03:24:27 AM
I mean it really doesn't matter if you 'properly' leave it somewhere else anyway because there's already a designated place for it. One that's made of steel, and built for the sole purpose of keeping them all together. Ain't that unreasonable to call it laziness (which it is!).
That was my point

I know. I wasn't responding to you!   :loser:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2019, 05:28:38 AM
I pulled into a car space at the supermarket yesterday where some cunt left their trolley.  The trolley bay was two fucking spaces away.  TWO FUCKING SPACES!!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on May 26, 2019, 12:15:46 PM
I mean it really doesn't matter if you 'properly' leave it somewhere else anyway because there's already a designated place for it. One that's made of steel, and built for the sole purpose of keeping them all together. Ain't that unreasonable to call it laziness (which it is!).
That was my point

I know. I wasn't responding to you!   :loser:
:facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 26, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
This isn't about safety, profit margin, liability, or labor.  It is simply about personal responsibility and laziness.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those who take the extra 30 seconds to secure a cart in the corral are ensuring the cart will not do any damage to any vehicle.  Those who don't are willing to take the chance, no matter how small, that the cart might do some damage or cause an inconvenience to another shopper....all in the name of 30 seconds.  Regardless of any rationalization, you simply can't know that leaving a cart outside the corral won't have detrimental result. 
It isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things....but it is laziness....just own it.
JMHO.

Just looked up the definition of "lazy" just to make sure it didn't change when I wasn't looking.  That pretty much confirmed that laziness has NOTHING to do with what PG and others have posted.  Properly leaving a cart somewhere other than a corral has nothing to do with laziness.  What a pointlessly judgmental thing to say.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lazy (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lazy)

lazy adjective       la∑​zy | \ ˈlā-zē  \       lazier; laziest
Definition of lazy (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : disinclined to activity or exertion : not energetic or vigorous
The lazy child moderator tried to avoid household chores putting the cart back to the corral.

Nope, the definition hasn't change, and it fits.  Even the example of it in a sentence was spot on!  ;)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on May 26, 2019, 11:09:45 PM

Edit: it's also a good way to tell I've been drinkingóif you see me posting in this thread, I've been drinking.

Ha ha!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: XJDenton on May 27, 2019, 05:27:09 PM
It just occurs to me that this entire debate is a uniquely american problem since most places in europe have these beasties:

(https://i.imgur.com/wcZIGxo.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: ReaperKK on May 27, 2019, 05:43:56 PM
Ok I'm stupid, what are those? I get that's to prevent carts getting stolen but how does that prevent someone just leaving the cart where ever?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 27, 2019, 05:45:15 PM
You put a coin in to release it and return it to get the coin back.  Am I right?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: XJDenton on May 27, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Precisely. I mean, you can leave it anywhere, but then you are out of a euro/dollar/quid/whatever. Most people will spend 30-60 seconds to save a euro.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 27, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
I remember seeing those in Ireland.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 27, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
gonna write my congresspeople to introduce legislation to bring those to the land of the free, home of the brave, realm of the lawless
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 27, 2019, 06:18:17 PM
It just occurs to me that this entire debate is a uniquely american problem since most places in europe have these beasties:

(https://i.imgur.com/wcZIGxo.jpg)

Precisely. I mean, you can leave it anywhere, but then you are out of a euro/dollar/quid/whatever. Most people will spend 30-60 seconds to save a euro.

Awesome.  Another mundane thing that shows us how lazy we have become.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Grizz on May 27, 2019, 11:17:29 PM
Awesome.  Another mundane thing that shows us how lazy we have become.
Yeah gonna call bullshit on the notion that we've "become" "lazy" as a collective
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 27, 2019, 11:26:31 PM
It just occurs to me that this entire debate is a uniquely american problem since most places in europe have these beasties:

(https://i.imgur.com/wcZIGxo.jpg)

Yep, I think these are a good invention. I've rarely seen rogue carts at market parking lots.

I remember somebody mentioning that unless you don't have any spare change, then you're outta luck and cart. That is certainly true, but you can also buy metallic/plastic tokens for about 50 cents that fit into the coin slot.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 28, 2019, 09:45:18 AM
My GF and I shop at Aldi all the time. We have a designated cart quarter in her car in a special place so we don't spend it. She was loading her groceries into her car, and a woman parked next to her, and grabbed her cart as she putting the last of the items in the trunk, and ran into the store with it, thus stealing her quarter.

This isn't the first time this has happened. Aldi is the only store in our area that does this, and people are assholes....
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Chino on May 28, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/14xj2xzriy031.jpg?width=679&auto=webp&s=7d25efeeab8a388e0c1667389d6b30123a6a50b7)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on May 28, 2019, 01:35:52 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/14xj2xzriy031.jpg?width=679&auto=webp&s=7d25efeeab8a388e0c1667389d6b30123a6a50b7)
/thread

Put your carts where they belong. The cart corral.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 28, 2019, 01:40:25 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 01:44:37 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

Right. It looks like DTF Productions.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
I'm on it Tim. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 28, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
So we've moved on to Fake Corral News?  :justjen

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

There's no reason, but I know people can be stupid/inconsiderate/asshole enough for it to be plausible.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 01:47:54 PM
I'm on it Tim. :lol

Oh God! :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
The pic looks like the sides are on an incline and maybe thats why the people didn't put them there since they'd roll into the street anyway.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
The pic looks like the sides are on an incline and maybe thats why the people didn't put them there since they'd roll into the street anyway.

That pic is total propaganda. The carriage heathens have no regard for the disabled. I mean he's disabled and stupid. He could've had a nice spot up front!

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 01:51:01 PM

Aside from the above pic being fake

(https://i.imgur.com/Hcsd1wv.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
The pic looks like the sides are on an incline and maybe thats why the people didn't put them there since they'd roll into the street anyway.

That pic is total propaganda. The carriage heathens have no regard for the disabled. I mean he's disabled and stupid. He could've had a nice spot up front!

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
The pic looks like the sides are on an incline and maybe thats why the people didn't put them there since they'd roll into the street anyway.

That pic is total propaganda. The carriage heathens have no regard for the disabled. I mean he's disabled and stupid. He could've had a nice spot up front!

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 02:07:15 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

:youfail:

https://medium.com/@sarahpruett/the-day-my-two-month-old-and-husband-blew-up-the-internet-37915e65b9ba
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 28, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
So this debate isn't contained to DTF? :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
So this debate isn't contained to DTF? :lol

I kicked off this very thread because of a real world debate over these damn carts.

I'm drawing battle lines. Bolton army on the side of lawlessness, Starks and the Vale on the side of all that is good.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 02:13:16 PM
So this debate isn't contained to DTF? :lol

I kicked off this very thread because of a real world debate over these damn carts.

I'm drawing battle lines. Bolton army on the side of lawlessness, Starks and the Vale on the side of all that is good.

WHO??
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 02:16:46 PM
So this debate isn't contained to DTF? :lol

I kicked off this very thread because of a real world debate over these damn carts.

I'm drawing battle lines. Bolton army on the side of lawlessness, Starks and the Vale on the side of all that is good.

WHO??

See, if you watched Game of Thrones, you'd be hip to my sweet references, but you're square! Did they name tic TAC toe after you?!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
Oh..Game Of Thrones.

GOT it.

#seewhatIdidthere
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

:youfail:

https://medium.com/@sarahpruett/the-day-my-two-month-old-and-husband-blew-up-the-internet-37915e65b9ba

I wasn't too sure if it was real at first, but this story is interesting as they explained why they were where they were for that picture. 

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*jfSP419DfOW0dS-S02sqxw.jpeg)

Also that pic looks like people could have put the carts in the dirt, but didn't so rules out my theory as to why they weren't there.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
Oh..Game Of Thrones.

GOT it.

#seewhatIdidthere

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 28, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.

Err....  I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.

Looks like you're still seeing orange apples.  I suppose you can continue to argue whatever point you're trying to make, but the simplest concept still remains.  If someone lets you use their shopping cart, the least you can do is stick in their corral.  :p 
:lol :rollin :lol

No, the least I can do is leave it in their parking lot in a location that will neither pose a reasonable risk of damage to others' cars or inhibit others from parking, which is exactly what I do.

The corrals are one of those locations you just described.  You still haven't provided a reasonable argument for not using them.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Oh..Game Of Thrones.

GOT it.

#seewhatIdidthere

I don't get it.

:youfail:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
Oh..Game Of Thrones.

GOT it.

#seewhatIdidthere

I don't get it.

:youfail:

No, see, I DID get it, but I was waiting for TAC to explain it, thus making TAC play himself. C'mon Chad!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

:youfail:

https://medium.com/@sarahpruett/the-day-my-two-month-old-and-husband-blew-up-the-internet-37915e65b9ba
Nice.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

And you are so staunch in yours that you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - (1) missed the tells as to WHY it is likely fake, and (2) COMPLETELY missed the point of my post (which agreed that it was rude to leave the carts there and that there is no good reason for doing so) and zeroed in on a nonsequitur? 

You done missed the point, son!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
This thread is fake.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

And you are so staunch in yours that you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - (1) missed the tells as to WHY it is likely fake, and (2) COMPLETELY missed the point of my post (which agreed that it was rude to leave the carts there and that there is no good reason for doing so) and zeroed in on a nonsequitur? 

You done missed the point, son!  :lol

What are the tells? That's... uh... that's a real photo. So what is the point of calling it fake?  Is this a subtle acknowledgment of trolling?! [inb4 the denial]
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
*sigh*  OK, to spare us all the trouble, I'll just ignore your fail at reading comprehension and just say I was wrong then.  Moving on...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 03:03:53 PM
Bosk, don't passive aggressively drop an attack at my reading comprehension like that. C'mon, be an adult, dude, that wasn't called for. We've all been having fun here.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
Fake Pic?  LOL
Next thing you know, we will be hearing that these threads are "Witch Hunts", and Shopping Cart Corrals are the "Enemy of the People". SAD!

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:06:36 PM
Bosk, don't passive aggressively drop an attack at my reading comprehension like that. C'mon, be an adult, dude, that wasn't called for.


What a pointlessly judgmental thing to say.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 03:18:53 PM
Bosk, don't passive aggressively drop an attack at my reading comprehension like that. C'mon, be an adult, dude, that wasn't called for. We've all been having fun here.

It was fun until your equally uncalled-for accusation of trolling. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:20:06 PM
Fake Pic?  LOL
Next thing you know, we will be hearing that these threads are "Witch Hunts", and Shopping Cart Corrals are the "Enemy of the People". SAD!

 :lol

Pretty sure the Russians colluded to put the carts there.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Bosk, don't passive aggressively drop an attack at my reading comprehension like that. C'mon, be an adult, dude, that wasn't called for. We've all been having fun here.

It was fun until your equally uncalled-for accusation of trolling.

Okay but you called it a fake and even after jingle linked the story you were talking about 'tells' that it was fake hence why I said that, there was nothing insensitive or mean there. It's nice that you get to chastise others for being judgmental but then you do it yourself and get in a huff about it. Wtf, dude, we've talked about this before. This ain't cool, I'm genuinely kind of bothered by how unfun this suddenly became. Whatev, I'll shut up before I get banned again for calling it out, again
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 03:26:42 PM
You're so staunch in your position you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - dismiss this as being fake?

And you are so staunch in yours that you immediately - IMMEDIATELY - (1) missed the tells as to WHY it is likely fake, and (2) COMPLETELY missed the point of my post (which agreed that it was rude to leave the carts there and that there is no good reason for doing so) and zeroed in on a nonsequitur? 

You done missed the point, son!  :lol

I'm not sure what my position on shopping cart etiquette have to do with you dismissing facts as fake.  If the true point of your post was about how rude it was to leave the carts there, I guess I don't get the point of why the need to even infer that the pic is fake.  If I zeroed in on nonsequitur, it was yours, not mine.

But whatever ... again, moving on.

@ TAC... thanks for bringing back the levity.   :tup
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:28:12 PM


@ TAC... thanks for bringing back the levity.   :tup

 :lol

Just trying to bring levity to the thread the whole time. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 03:29:09 PM


@ TAC... thanks for bringing back the levity.   :tup

 :lol

Just trying to bring levity to the thread the whole time. :lol

If only we could bring levitation to shopping carts!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:30:30 PM
Self corralling carts!

Elon Musk, you listening??
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:32:22 PM


@ TAC... thanks for bringing back the levity.   :tup

 :lol

Just trying to bring levity to the thread the whole time. :lol

Agreed, well done bringing levity back to the thread...for the good of all.  And how long did that take you?  Extra 30 seconds maybe?   :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Bosk, don't passive aggressively drop an attack at my reading comprehension like that. C'mon, be an adult, dude, that wasn't called for. We've all been having fun here.

It was fun until your equally uncalled-for accusation of trolling.

Okay but you called it a fake and even after jingle linked the story you were talking about 'tells' that it was fake hence why I said that, there was nothing insensitive or mean there. It's nice that you get to chastise others for being judgmental but then you do it yourself and get in a huff about it. Wtf, dude, we've talked about this before. This ain't cool, I'm genuinely kind of bothered by how unfun this suddenly became. Whatev, I'll shut up before I get banned again for calling it out, again

I honestly have no idea what you are upset about.  Even reading back again through what was said, it looks to me like YOU were the aggressor, not me.  But I'm not looking to argue with you, so why don't we just agree to let it go?  If you feel that it's a bigger deal than I see it as, PM me and we'll talk.  Cool?

If the true point of your post was about how rude it was to leave the carts there, I guess I don't get the point of why the need to even infer that the pic is fake. 

Hence me staring that phrase with "aside from," and setting it off with a comma, indicating that it was a minor point that stood in opposition or contrast to my main point.  Again, not sure why you zeroed in on that rather than the point I was actually making.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:34:50 PM


@ TAC... thanks for bringing back the levity.   :tup

 :lol

Just trying to bring levity to the thread the whole time. :lol

Agreed, well done bringing levity back to the thread...for the good of all.  And how long did that take you?  Extra 30 seconds maybe?   :lol

I'm 50. I do my best work in 30 seconds! :lol

Wait, wut..
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 28, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
I'm waiting for 2024 election with Katt at pro-corral party with Tim running against him. :corn
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2019, 03:36:12 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
I'm waiting for 2024 election with Katt at pro-corral party with Tim running against him. :corn

see this is a good reply and not dragging it out further
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:40:21 PM
I'm waiting for 2024 election with Katt at pro-corral party with Tim running against him. :corn

(https://dur-cjweb.newscyclecloud.com/storyimage/CJ/20171204/NEWS01/171209947/EP/1/2/EP-171209947.jpg?ts=1512423695&imageversion=1by1)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:44:17 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

No, because the shopping cart isn't something you shopped for.... so you need a shopping cart to put the bigger shopping cart in....and so on....and so on....until you find the prime mover container....which cant be a cart....it must be the corral!!!!!!
Therefore you must put carts in the corral, and the corral is.....god?
Did I just have a stroke?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2019, 03:50:03 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:51:21 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart.  So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart.  It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts.  Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
and we become our own gods.

and that's why we are here
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 28, 2019, 03:53:40 PM
Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient.  I already explained why the corrals are there.  Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot.  Time is money.  I also said it's a safety liability as well.  How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts?  Apples and oranges dude.

Err....  I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.

Looks like you're still seeing orange apples.  I suppose you can continue to argue whatever point you're trying to make, but the simplest concept still remains.  If someone lets you use their shopping cart, the least you can do is stick in their corral.  :p 
:lol :rollin :lol

No, the least I can do is leave it in their parking lot in a location that will neither pose a reasonable risk of damage to others' cars or inhibit others from parking, which is exactly what I do.

The corrals are one of those locations you just described.  You still haven't provided a reasonable argument for not using them.

I agree with the first sentence:  the corral is one of many options that serve the purposes I mentioned.  As for the second, I've explained it many times, but our definitions of "reasonable" obviously differ.  With that said, you haven't offered a "reasonable" explanation for preferring the corral to other locations that don't inhibit parking or pose a reasonable risk of damage.  Absent such an explanation, I'll keep making my own decisions about which location to use.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2019, 03:54:12 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart.  So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart.  It is being used as a wheelbarrow.  Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral yes?

Listen, I've recently become my own god, and clearly you aren't there  yet. And as a god, I only speak to other gods (sup hef?) so once you put the shopping cart back and ascend to godhood, we can chat.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
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Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart.  So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart.  It is being used as a wheelbarrow.  Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral yes?

Listen, I've recently become my own god, and clearly you aren't there  yet. And as a god, I only speak to other gods (sup hef?) so once you put the shopping cart back and ascend to godhood, we can chat.

You do realize that I argue FOR corrals, yes?  So yeah.  Wassup.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart.  So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart.  It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts.  Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?

I confused.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 03:56:36 PM


You do realize that I argue?  So yeah.  Wassup.

Yes, we realize that. ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 03:56:55 PM
I'm going to melt down every shopping cart in existence
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 03:57:53 PM
I'm going to melt down every shopping cart in existence

And make a throne.


AMIRITE?!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart.  So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart.  It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts.  Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?

I confused.

Well you do fight the Cart Wars against the evil Grocery Store so........
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 28, 2019, 03:58:59 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?
 
 :lol  That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem.  Is a car still a car without a driver in it?  Absolutely.  A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart.  I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.   :rollin



Fake Pic?  LOL
Next thing you know, we will be hearing that these threads are "Witch Hunts", and Shopping Cart Corrals are the "Enemy of the People". SAD!

 :lol

Pretty sure the Russians colluded to put the carts there.

Or...it could be a Cuban shopping cart crisis.   :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 03:59:09 PM
I'm going to melt down every shopping cart in existence

And make a throne.


AMIRITE?!

Let's see if TAC gets that reference!

"Do you know what the Realm is? It's the thousand wheels of Katt's enemies."
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 28, 2019, 03:59:57 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

...

This is why I like and hate philosophy.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Since I like sigging you and updating my sig has been long overdue, here it is.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheCountOfMinnesota on May 28, 2019, 04:01:06 PM
The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing
-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up
-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

...I, uh... have to go to the bathroom.  BRB, but I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?
 
 :lol  That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem.  Is a car still a car without a driver in it?  Absolutely.  A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart.  I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.   :rollin



Well, as a recently ascended god, i can say that you're wrong. And as a mere mortal, you're not allowed to question me.

Now, go return the carts and maybe you can become a god too.


But it does beg a question, if a cart is not a cart between uses (which I, as a god, have proclaimed) is a corral still a corral without carts?

So how can TAC return a cart to a corral if neither exist?

EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 04:03:10 PM
I'll just use the carry out service.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
I'm going to melt down every shopping cart in existence

And make a throne.


AMIRITE?!

Let's see if TAC gets that reference!

"Do you know what the Realm is? It's the thousand wheels of Katt's enemies."

Tim is the North.  The 6 Realms put the carts in the coral.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 04:04:11 PM
The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing
-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up
-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

Actually, no, I don't see what those things have in common with each other. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 04:06:49 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 04:08:47 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?

Um..that's a bit too real for this thread.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
How about crapping in one of those coin lock things to get a cart
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 04:17:17 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?

You've obviously spent time in Northern California cities recently.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 04:17:48 PM
The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing
-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up
-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

Actually, no, I don't see what those things have in common with each other.

I Knight Thee...... Sir Buzz Killington
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 28, 2019, 04:19:43 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?

You've obviously spent time in Northern California cities recently.

I think we all have those areas unfortunately.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 28, 2019, 04:30:54 PM
So, what is a shopping cart that is not meant to carry an item?

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?
 
 :lol  That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem.  Is a car still a car without a driver in it?  Absolutely.  A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart.  I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.   :rollin


Now, go return the carts and maybe you can become a god too.

Is that all I needed to do to become a god?  I wish someone would've told me sooner.  I guess before Abraham returned carts, I am. :p  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 04:36:27 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?

You've obviously spent time in Northern California cities recently.

Bosk, I kid you not..when we were out there last summer, we went to downtown San Jose. We were at the city hall plaza (which is really cool, btw), and we literally watched a woman open one of those boxes where they drop community newspapers and take a dump.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 28, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
Taking a crap in a cart and not putting it in the coral?

You've obviously spent time in Northern California cities recently.

Bosk, I kid you not..when we were out there last summer, we went to downtown San Jose. We were at the city hall plaza (which is really cool, btw), and we literally watched a woman open one of those boxes where they drop community newspapers and take a dump.

FWIW, San Jose is not Northern California.  The point is otherwise valid.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 06:02:27 PM
We made it as far north as Arcata.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on May 28, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

In Phoenix, people purposely put carts behind peoples' cars, even if the return was two spots away. It happened so often when I lived there that it couldn't have been anything other than purposeful.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on May 28, 2019, 07:00:11 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

In Phoenix, people purposely put carts behind peoples' cars, even if the return was two spots away. It happened so often when I lived there that it couldn't have been anything other than purposeful.

Huh, I don't think I've seen that one in my neck of the desert.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on May 28, 2019, 07:02:06 PM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

In Phoenix, people purposely put carts behind peoples' cars, even if the return was two spots away. It happened so often when I lived there that it couldn't have been anything other than purposeful.

Huh, I don't think I've seen that one in my neck of the desert.

Whereabouts do you live? I lived smack dab in Maryvale. Plenty of laziness to be had in Maricopa, but no shopping carts behind cars anymore. I lived in Phoenix for 8 years, and this was a constant thing.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 07:18:07 PM
I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Look guys, the fresh blood must've skipped right to this page without reading the 25-page entrance exam.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: eric42434224 on May 28, 2019, 07:22:41 PM
I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Look guys, the fresh blood must've skipped right to this page without reading the 25-page entrance exam.

Yet he still aces the final  :biggrin:
He must have read the Cliffs Notes.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 07:26:40 PM
I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Look guys, the fresh blood must've skipped right to this page without reading the 25-page entrance exam.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheCountOfMinnesota on May 28, 2019, 08:14:23 PM
The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing
-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up
-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

Actually, no, I don't see what those things have in common with each other.

You're a serious man, Bosk1.  I can respect that.  Running this forum is serious business. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheCountOfMinnesota on May 28, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Look guys, the fresh blood must've skipped right to this page without reading the 25-page entrance exam.

Yet he still aces the final  :biggrin:
He must have read the Cliffs Notes.

He he, fresh blood.  Yeah, I'm the new guy.  And no, I didn't read the whole cart saga because I assumed it comes down to common sense: put the fucking cart in the corral, unless you're some kind of thoughtless twit.  Amiright? 

Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?  Etiquette question, I guess.  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2019, 08:30:14 PM
Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?   

Best time to post!  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Look guys, the fresh blood must've skipped right to this page without reading the 25-page entrance exam.

Yet he still aces the final  :biggrin:
He must have read the Cliffs Notes.

He he, fresh blood.  Yeah, I'm the new guy.  And no, I didn't read the whole cart saga because I assumed it comes down to common sense: put the fucking cart in the corral, unless you're some kind of thoughtless twit.  Amiright? 

Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?  Etiquette question, I guess.  Asking for a friend.

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Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 08:52:51 PM
He's one of the good ones I see!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?  Etiquette question, I guess.  Asking for a friend.

 :lol one should also post in the drinking thread
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on May 29, 2019, 02:31:10 AM
Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?  Etiquette question, I guess.  Asking for a friend.

Don't ask me, it's not like I'm doing it on alarmingly regular basis...  :| :blush
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 29, 2019, 06:05:46 AM
Hey should one stop posting in the evenings after they've had a few adult beverages?  Etiquette question, I guess.  Asking for a friend.

Depends on the adult beverage.

(https://d47b8c342f195720a9bf-abcdaee9f8d8752825c66eff59bb2838.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/ensure-enlive-group.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2019, 06:13:43 AM
Gregg, you know you're old when you post Ensure as a preferred evening drink. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on May 29, 2019, 06:45:09 AM
Whereabouts do you live? I lived smack dab in Maryvale. Plenty of laziness to be had in Maricopa, but no shopping carts behind cars anymore. I lived in Phoenix for 8 years, and this was a constant thing.

I'm right on the Mesa/Tempe boarder.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
FWIW, San Jose is not Northern California. 

???  Since when?  Serious question.  As someone who has grown up in CA, I've never heard anyone in either N.Cal. or So.Cal. NOT refer to the Bay Area as Northern California, so I'm legitimately confused by your statement.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2019, 08:19:33 AM
FWIW, Connecticut isn't part of New England! ;D
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on May 29, 2019, 10:09:09 AM
FWIW, San Jose is not Northern California. 

???  Since when?  Serious question.  As someone who has grown up in CA, I've never heard anyone in either N.Cal. or So.Cal. NOT refer to the Bay Area as Northern California, so I'm legitimately confused by your statement.

Notwithstanding the common usage, it's simple geography.  The northern border of California is (approximately) the 42nd parallel, and the southern border is (approximately) the 32nd parallel, so the mid-point is the 37th parallel.  In the SF Bay Area, the 37th parallel runs just south of SFO and fairly well north of San Jose.  While Californians have a tendency to disregard anything north of Tahoe, saying that San Jose is in northern California is as accurate as saying that Berkeley is in southern California.  Since the SF Bay Area straddles the north-south line of the state, I almost always refer to it as central California.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2019, 10:31:30 AM
Okay, but we're not talking about a formal geographic designation, but rather an agreed regional descriptor that is used by virtually everybody in the country to describe that region.  It gets a little more subjective when you are talking about the central valley or the coast when you drop down into areas like Monterey and San Luis Obisbo.  But nobody refers to any part of the San Francisco Bay Area as anything but "Northern California" unless there is a specific, esoteric purpose for a different designation.  I know Wikipedia isn't authoritative, but it is laid out pretty clearly:

Quote
Northern California (colloquially known as NorCal) is the northern portion of the U.S. state of California. Spanning the state's northernmost 48 counties[1][2] its main population centers include the San Francisco Bay Area (anchored by the cities of San Jose, San Francisco, and Oakland), the Greater Sacramento area (anchored by the state capital Sacramento), and the Metropolitan Fresno area (anchored by the city of Fresno). Northern California also contains redwood forests, along with the Sierra Nevada, including Yosemite Valley and part of Lake Tahoe, Mount Shasta (the second-highest peak in the Cascade Range after Mount Rainier in Washington), and most of the Central Valley, one of the world's most productive agricultural regions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California#cite_note-1 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Lethean on May 29, 2019, 10:37:00 AM
My GF and I shop at Aldi all the time. We have a designated cart quarter in her car in a special place so we don't spend it. She was loading her groceries into her car, and a woman parked next to her, and grabbed her cart as she putting the last of the items in the trunk, and ran into the store with it, thus stealing her quarter.

This isn't the first time this has happened. Aldi is the only store in our area that does this, and people are assholes....

That sucks.  Next time she should grab it right back.  :P
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 29, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
Or don't be a bag of dicks and block the sidewalk with them. There is plenty of space in the dirt for them.

I'm semi serious.

:lol  Exactly.  Aside from the above pic being fake, there's no reason to put carts blocking a walkway, even if you don't put them in the corrals.

In Phoenix, people purposely put carts behind peoples' cars, even if the return was two spots away. It happened so often when I lived there that it couldn't have been anything other than purposeful.

No, people in Phx really are that dumb.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on May 29, 2019, 11:45:51 AM
Whereabouts do you live? I lived smack dab in Maryvale. Plenty of laziness to be had in Maricopa, but no shopping carts behind cars anymore. I lived in Phoenix for 8 years, and this was a constant thing.

I'm right on the Mesa/Tempe boarder.

That's a decent area. I'm sure anywhere is better than Phoenix though. So you're right by the Mesa/Globe exit nightmare traffic zone?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2019, 12:13:34 PM
Whoa don't see Globe AZ mentioned here much. Or any here on the internet for that matter. Dad grew up there and still has family there. I was born in Miami AZ.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Whoa don't see Globe AZ mentioned here much. Or any here on the internet for that matter. Dad grew up there and still has family there. I was born in Miami AZ.

Miami is in Florida. Silly.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Zook on May 29, 2019, 12:27:28 PM
Whoa don't see Globe AZ mentioned here much. Or any here on the internet for that matter. Dad grew up there and still has family there. I was born in Miami AZ.

Interstate 60 goes to Globe. I've never actually been there. The farthest I've been is Tucson and Cottonwood.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on May 29, 2019, 01:12:43 PM
Whereabouts do you live? I lived smack dab in Maryvale. Plenty of laziness to be had in Maricopa, but no shopping carts behind cars anymore. I lived in Phoenix for 8 years, and this was a constant thing.

I'm right on the Mesa/Tempe boarder.

That's a decent area. I'm sure anywhere is better than Phoenix though. So you're right by the Mesa/Globe exit nightmare traffic zone?

Yeah I'm between 202 and 60 right next to 101. It's great access to get anywhere in like 20 minutes. Thankfully I work 3 miles from home, so I don't have to deal with the rush hour BS.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 29, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
Yeah I'm between 202 and 60 right next to 101. It's great access to get anywhere in like 20 minutes. Thankfully I work 3 miles from home, so I don't have to deal with the rush hour BS.

Yup, sure enough.

(https://i.imgur.com/6HRc91P.jpg)

 :angel:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on May 29, 2019, 08:01:31 PM
That took me a minute, but that is legendary. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on May 29, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
*bows*
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: chknptpie on May 30, 2019, 06:38:06 AM
Damn I look fat... lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on May 30, 2019, 07:01:48 AM
Damn I look fat... lol

But absolutely scrumptious!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 30, 2019, 07:15:36 AM
wrong thread  lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Grizz on June 01, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
FWIW, Connecticut isn't part of New England! ;D
listen here fucko
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on June 01, 2019, 11:19:48 AM
 :lol


The old half Yankees, half Sox meaning.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TheCountOfMinnesota on June 06, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
So, Iím enjoying a drink or two and I just had an epiphany: this entire conversation about carts has been one long innuendo, hasnít it?  As in:

ďBro, how was your date last night?Ē
ďWell, letís just say that I [strokes moustache] put the cart in the corral, if you catch my meaning.Ē

Man, Iím slow on the uptake!  But my answer is the same... I put it in the corral.
*****************************************************************
sorry, Iíll show myself out
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2019, 06:24:35 AM
Which explains everything, doesn't it?  Some of us clearly need to put the cart in the corral more often.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 07, 2019, 07:15:23 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
So there are only two lanes open at checkout and they both have a bunch of people waiting in them. A checker walks up and opens a third lane. Should there be some semblance of order as to who goes first, or should it be a free for all? I know we can't expect a perfectly fair system, but should the person who's been waiting 5 minutes be jumped by the last guy in line?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2019, 09:11:57 AM
So there are only two lanes open at checkout and they both have a bunch of people waiting in them. A checker walks up and opens a third lane. Should there be some semblance of order as to who goes first, or should it be a free for all? I know we can't expect a perfectly fair system, but should the person who's been waiting 5 minutes be jumped by the last guy in line?

Hunger games baby... survival of the fittest.

Seriously though, I always offer to let the person(s) ahead of me go into the newly opened lane first.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2019, 09:14:59 AM
Proximity ends up mattering the most in these situations.  Also any instructions from the person opening the new lane (such as saying next in line customers move over here).
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: vtgrad on June 07, 2019, 09:34:25 AM
It just occurs to me that this entire debate is a uniquely american problem since most places in europe have these beasties:

(https://i.imgur.com/wcZIGxo.jpg)

Yep, I think these are a good invention. I've rarely seen rogue carts at market parking lots.

I remember somebody mentioning that unless you don't have any spare change, then you're outta luck and cart. That is certainly true, but you can also buy metallic/plastic tokens for about 50 cents that fit into the coin slot.

This wouldn't work in my part of the Land of The Free and Home of the Offended... people in my part of the country carry bolt cutters in thir sooped up pic-up truks.  Walmart would just have assorted lengths of chain and bits of plastic left in the parking lots along with the carts. 

To touch on Barto's question, I simply step back and let the other animals sort out who goes to the new open line... no need for fisticuffs if I'm just buying ice cream.  Though if I'm buying chips or kale (or kale chips) you better get the ---- out of my way.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 07, 2019, 09:40:24 AM
So there are only two lanes open at checkout and they both have a bunch of people waiting in them. A checker walks up and opens a third lane. Should there be some semblance of order as to who goes first, or should it be a free for all? I know we can't expect a perfectly fair system, but should the person who's been waiting 5 minutes be jumped by the last guy in line?

IMO if they ask for the next person in line, that should be the first person in line who doesn't have their shit on the belt yet. I've had times where there are 3 people in line. Myself with a single item, behind 2 people taking up the entire belt. Cashier says she can take the next person in line, and the person with their shit on the belt (who isn't getting rang up) starts picking up their shit to migrate it to the other register and gets pissed when I step right up to buy my energy drink or whatever.

Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 07, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
I love when I don't need a cart to shop because when it inevitably comes time for a lane to open, I haul my ass right on over with a couple handfuls of stuff while the family folk are busy trying to maneuver their full carts :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
I just have this mental picture of you running through the store with arms full of groceries, oranges flying off and rolling around... :) 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 07, 2019, 02:40:33 PM
Hahaha. "GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!"
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Lethean on June 07, 2019, 03:24:23 PM
Was in a big hurry this morning, needed to get something from the grocery store, pulled into a spot, and there was a cart, left by someone who is clearly a heathen.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 07, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
So there are only two lanes open at checkout and they both have a bunch of people waiting in them. A checker walks up and opens a third lane. Should there be some semblance of order as to who goes first, or should it be a free for all? I know we can't expect a perfectly fair system, but should the person who's been waiting 5 minutes be jumped by the last guy in line?

That problem usually takes care of itself because the lines very rarely are backed up too much.  Much easier than the dreaded, much more difficult task of putting a cart in the corral.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 12:32:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVRLOCh.jpg)

My van. My carriage.

Motherfuckers!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
That is such a New England thing to do (I say with deep admiration and pride). 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 12, 2019, 12:35:55 PM
I'm calling every police department in New England right now.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2019, 12:43:24 PM
wtf you are sooooo close to the corral  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on June 12, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Proof positive that only little bitches drive minivans.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Shut it old man, and get out of my way. Your Mart Cart is taking up the whole aisle.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on June 12, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
WTF is a Mart Cart?!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
WTF is a Mart Cart?!


(https://www.martcart.com/resize/www/images/mart_cart_280-3506_3.jpg?bw=550&w=550&bh=550&h=550)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
I simultaneously want one of those so badly, and yet wouldn't be caught dead in one.  :)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 12, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVRLOCh.jpg)

My van. My carriage.

Motherfuckers!

What the hell is wrong with you man?!?!?!  For starters, what kind of idiot backs in to a grocery store spot only to make it MORE inconvenient for them to unload their cart?  Then by leaving it back there, you're being a dick just for the sake of being a dick.  You went thru the inconvenience to manoeuvre your cart to your trunk for yourself, but won't do it for the next person / employee that needs to move the cart.  Epitome of selfish and lazy all at once.  I don't know whether to admire you for that, or want to kick you in the nuts. I'm so conflicted.   :lol  But then I remember you're a Bruins fan, so I'll go with the nut-shot.

Do you have no grocery-store etiquette??

I'll bet you take 9 items to the 1-8 limit lane, don't you?

I'll bet you drive a Mart-Cart to the middle of an aisle, just to get up and walk away?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
It wasn't inconvenient to load the groceries in my trunk.

I only bought 4 things.
Bread
Toilet paper
Cotton balls
Hair Spray

I put them in the side door!

You didn't expect me to carry all that stuff did you?  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 12, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
What the hell is wrong with you man?!?!?!  For starters, what kind of idiot backs in to a grocery store spot only to make it MORE inconvenient for them to unload their cart?  Then by leaving it back there, you're being a dick just for the sake of being a dick.  You went thru the inconvenience to manoeuvre your cart to your trunk for yourself, but won't do it for the next person / employee that needs to move the cart.  Epitome of selfish and lazy all at once.  I don't know whether to admire you for that, or want to kick you in the nuts. I'm so conflicted.   :lol  But then I remember you're a Bruins fan, so I'll go with the nut-shot.

(https://i.imgur.com/HhA1VHj.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2019, 02:27:29 PM

Bread
Toilet paper
Cotton balls
Hair Spray


The life of a family man.  The last like five trips to the store for me were some variation on that list.  Some consumable - bread, milk - some toiletry - toilet paper, paper towels - some cleaning product - cotton balls, garbage bags - some hygiene product - hair spray, soap.   

I was cool once.   No, really. 
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
It's been tough having the day off with Game 7 tonight. I've been trying to keep busy.

I was like, "but do you need any tampons too? I'd be happy to grab them too." :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2019, 02:37:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVRLOCh.jpg)

My van. My carriage.

Motherfuckers!

You need an ass kicking.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 12, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVRLOCh.jpg)

My van. My carriage.

Motherfuckers!

Tim Tim Tim...is that a soccer mom mobile?  :lol  What if a store employee came out to collect carts and ran that baby along side your car scratching all the way?  Muttering under his/her breath, "soccer muthafucka"!   :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on June 12, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
I only bought 4 things.
Bread
Toilet paper
Cotton balls
Hair Spray

You forgot the gold bond powder. You raunchy little penis.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2019, 02:55:00 PM

Bread
Toilet paper
Cotton balls
Hair Spray


The life of a family man.  The last like five trips to the store for me were some variation on that list.  Some consumable - bread, milk - some toiletry - toilet paper, paper towels - some cleaning product - cotton balls, garbage bags - some hygiene product - hair spray, soap.   

I was cool once.   No, really.

Take your cotton balls to the old fogey thread  :lol

In reality, I actually love how you put it so damn close to the corral, such a class A dick move for the lols but the sad part is, I think you may do this normally and not just for the picture  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 12, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
I only bought 4 things.
Bread
Toilet paper
Cotton balls
Hair Spray

You forgot the gold bond powder. You raunchy little penis.

And the Huggies. I mean why else is he driving that thing? How many kids you got, TAC?  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BeneficialMedicalCoral-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Podaar on June 12, 2019, 03:22:40 PM
Who else wants to see a picture of TAC sitting sideways in the drivers seat of that van, the door recklessly thrown open, an Eminem scowl on his face, sporting a High N' Dry tee shirt, cargo shorts, ankle socks, and faded leather New Balance sneakers arrogantly holding the door ajar?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 03:27:12 PM
With a bag of ice in my groin.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
Cotton balls in your ears?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on June 12, 2019, 03:56:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVRLOCh.jpg)

My van. My carriage.

Motherfuckers!

You need an ass kicking.  :lol

I will fly to Boston to stand by TAC...my hero!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 04:00:41 PM
It's on!


(https://wrightimc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Shopping-Carts-600x340.png)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 12, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
I counted 29 kids in that Taiwanese clown car.  If unedited,  :omg:  Didn't follow it closely enough to see if it was 'shopped.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Herrick on June 12, 2019, 05:52:06 PM

To touch on Barto's question, I simply step back and let the other animals sort out who goes to the new open line... no need for fisticuffs if I'm just buying ice cream.  Though if I'm buying chips or kale (or kale chips) you better get the ---- out of my way.

:lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: vtgrad on June 13, 2019, 10:19:36 AM

To touch on Barto's question, I simply step back and let the other animals sort out who goes to the new open line... no need for fisticuffs if I'm just buying ice cream.  Though if I'm buying chips or kale (or kale chips) you better get the ---- out of my way.

:lol

Kale man... Kale.  It will change your life.  Perhaps TAC could rub a few leaves on that groin to reduce the swelling.

And being inspired by TAC, I'll make sure that I go one-up on his move the next time I'm at the market.  Zip ties baby... this thread may morph into the old Denis Leary bit.  Which one of us is the world's biggest a$$hole?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: El Barto on June 13, 2019, 11:13:08 AM
The bigger question is who the hell backs a giant fucking minivan into a spot like that? It's not going to look any less pathetic than it really is, and you're probably going to piss people off who have to wait for your 3 point turns in and out of there.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 13, 2019, 11:19:20 AM

To touch on Barto's question, I simply step back and let the other animals sort out who goes to the new open line... no need for fisticuffs if I'm just buying ice cream.  Though if I'm buying chips or kale (or kale chips) you better get the ---- out of my way.

:lol

Kale man... Kale.  It will change your life.  Perhaps TAC could rub a few leaves on that groin to reduce the swelling.

And being inspired by TAC, I'll make sure that I go one-up on his move the next time I'm at the market.  Zip ties baby... this thread may morph into the old Denis Leary bit.  Which one of us is the world's biggest a$$hole?

I use shopping carts, and I leave them around
I'd take them with me and leave them all over town
I'm an asshooole~
It's their job, not mine, so I don't put them back
I tell stores to blow me and pick up my slack!
I'm an asshooole~

 :lol Parodying Denis Leary's song, just having fun, it's not mean-spirited...
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Cool Chris on June 13, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
Man I haven't heard that song in decades, I loved that song!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on June 13, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Next time I see Tim, I don't care what the situation is, I'm bringing him a shopping cart. Gonna happen.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2019, 07:16:01 AM
Next time I see Tim, I don't care what the situation is, I'm bringing him a shopping cart. Gonna happen.

In doing so, you will thereby share in the eternal guilt of him leaving it wherever he pleases.  YOU ARE SIMPLY HIS ENABLER!  :evilmonkey:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 14, 2019, 09:11:10 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on June 14, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Next time I see Tim, I don't care what the situation is, I'm bringing him a shopping cart. Gonna happen.

In doing so, you will thereby share in the eternal guilt of him leaving it wherever he pleases.  YOU ARE SIMPLY HIS ENABLER!  :evilmonkey:

 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2019, 05:47:18 PM
On a tangential note, I think that may be the single best use of the "evilmonkey" emoticon in the history of this forum.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on June 14, 2019, 05:50:06 PM
Bosk1, you know how out of control this thread is that Tim and I send pictures of carts at every grocery store we are at to harass each other.

It never ends. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 14, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
On a tangential note, I think that may be the single best use of the "evilmonkey" emoticon in the history of this forum.

I didn't even know it existed for us to use on this forum.  It needs to be used more.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2019, 05:54:53 PM
Did you just call him Bosk1?

Why don't you just call him Sir?
So damn formal. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on June 14, 2019, 06:03:43 PM
Tim, do you know how smartphones work or do you still have a flip phone? :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2019, 06:05:50 PM
Tim, do you know how smartphones work or do you still have a flip phone? :lol

I like to flip it and say "Scotty, bean me up" just for fun. :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: kingshmegland on June 14, 2019, 06:58:27 PM
And that reference comes to you via rabbit ears.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2019, 06:59:17 PM
With aluminum foil.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 27, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Hahaha...y'all thought this thread was dead and gone.  Bwaaaaaaahahahaha!!!  :xbones

Put your shopping cart in the goddamn corral!! :p  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on June 27, 2019, 04:04:06 PM
No, you!

(https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/rKrruiAGLR497gbiSXmfmy1nuck=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/child-public-meltdown-56d5db873df78cfb37da47b8.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 27, 2019, 04:08:48 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/294/218/20d.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 27, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
Put your whiny ass kids in there too.  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 27, 2019, 04:19:36 PM
That's brilliant.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on June 27, 2019, 04:24:25 PM
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenecoservices.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2Fshopping-cart-xmas-tree.jpg&hash=2400f9b7fda30dbc03872c02161ab7f1)
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Ruba on June 27, 2019, 06:07:22 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/294/218/20d.jpg)

 :rollin :clap:
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 09:25:32 AM
Not sure I've seen the Lawful Evil before  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 28, 2019, 09:38:40 AM
Not sure I've seen the Lawful Evil before  :lol

Never shopped at a busy Costco before, huh?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
Not sure I've seen the Lawful Evil before  :lol

Never shopped at a busy Costco before, huh?

I did post that one picture of a recent costco experience... but I guess I probably have seen it and just never payed attention to notice people nicely stacked the carts... in the middle of no where
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Kattelox on June 28, 2019, 10:56:44 AM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/294/218/20d.jpg)

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2019, 12:03:36 PM
Isn't "launching" (chaotic good) simply one way of "returning" (neutral good)?  And, if so, wouldn't a person who "launches" be both neutral good and chaotic good?  Is that even possible?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
Isn't "launching" (chaotic good) simply one way of "returning" (neutral good)?  And, if so, wouldn't a person who "launches" be both neutral good and chaotic good?  Is that even possible?

Launching is haphazardly throwing it in the general corral. Returning is making sure it's pushed nicely into the card ahead of it, etc.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
I'm most definitely a launcher.  There are limits, of course; if there are 40 neat carts I'm not going to be that guy, but likewise, if there 40 chaotically good carts in the corral, I feel no need to be Elric of Melnibone.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 12:40:40 PM
Isn't "launching" (chaotic good) simply one way of "returning" (neutral good)?  And, if so, wouldn't a person who "launches" be both neutral good and chaotic good?  Is that even possible?

I think there is some overlap here such as when the corral is empty, where a launch isnt going to be any different than just gently putting it in the corral.

I do enjoy a good launch from time to time.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on June 28, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
I'm with Stads. If the carts are neatly in the corral, I follow suit. If they aren't, its time to crash and burn!  :rollin
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 28, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 01:27:38 PM
They don't bother me since they aren't in my way
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2019, 01:29:35 PM
So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?

Neither. They're thieves.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 28, 2019, 01:44:37 PM
Isn't "launching" (chaotic good) simply one way of "returning" (neutral good)?  And, if so, wouldn't a person who "launches" be both neutral good and chaotic good?  Is that even possible?

I think there is some overlap here such as when the corral is empty, where a launch isnt going to be any different than just gently putting it in the corral.

I do enjoy a good launch from time to time.

The only time I launch is when I'm pissed because I see that someone else's time was too precious to even be a launcher.  :lol
No but seriously, I try not to do anything that will damage the cart or corral.


So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?

Well, I usually don't think about it too much because out of sight out of mind right?  But it is still a concern because of potential price increases inside the store.


So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?

Neither. They're thieves.

Yeah, that too.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: jingle.boy on June 28, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?

If they put it at the bottom of TAC's or Bosk's driveway, the latter.
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: Samsara on June 28, 2019, 02:14:18 PM
Thieves!!!!

But I applaud leaving them in front of TAC and bosk1's respective homes.  :lol
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?
Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2019, 05:36:49 PM
So...

What are you guys' feelings regarding people who TAKE shopping carts off property and NEVER return them to the corral?

Monsters or Heroes?

Neither. They're thieves.

Yup.


And I guess I dodged some bullets!
Title: Re: Do you put the shopping carts back in the corral?