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Re: Post your controversial music opinions v. I couldn't find the previous one
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2016, 11:16:16 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2016, 11:18:46 AM »
I'm with Kotow on this one.  Green Day is light years better than The Offspring.  God that singer Dexter just can't sing.
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2016, 11:19:29 AM »
I'm with Kotow on this one.  Green Day is light years better than The Offspring.  God that singer Dexter just can't sing.

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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2016, 11:22:06 AM »
- Radiohead are the most important band of the post-classic rock era

This is literally the most controversial opinion on this thread (for me).   Assuming classic rock is "late '60's to late 80's", I can name five artists off the top of my head that supplant Radiohead here.  I'm willing to give credit where credit is due even if I don't like a band, but I think this overstates Radiohead's importance. 

Dr. Dre
Rage Against the Machine
Nirvana
Oasis
The Prodigy
Britney Spears (Yes, I did). 
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Re: Post your controversial music opinions v. I couldn't find the previous one
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2016, 11:24:27 AM »
People like to say Radiohead are important because they make dull experimental arty po faced music.

The same as when a dull indie band ( like Elbow ) make acoustic ballad songs with strings and choirs.

Music journos go gaga over it.

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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2016, 11:27:36 AM »
Ozzy's solo stuff is better than Black Sabbath.
Both are hit and miss for me.  I'm not even sure if I have any Ozzy in my collection, other than one of the greatest hits I got from someone who was unloading a bunch of CD's.  But I guess if I had to start from scratch in building my CD collection and it came time to decide whether I wanted to include any Ozzy or Sabbath albums, with Ozzy, I would go with Blizzard, Diary, Speak, Bark at the Moon, and No More Tears.  No desire to hear anything else.  With Sabbath, the only complete album I would list as a "must-have" would be Heaven and Hell.  I like that one more than any single Ozzy album, and might possibly like it equally with all of those Ozzy studio albums combined.  Otherwise, for me, Sabbath is kind of a song-by-song kind of band, and if I had Ozzy's Speak of the Devil album, I would have pretty solid live versions of the vast majority of Sabbath songs that I would want.  So I guess, having talked it out, I agree with your overall point, despite the fact that Ozzy is not an artist that has interested me at all in quite a long time.

The problem for me is this.   

The Ozzy Sabbath was as consistent as hell.  Yeah, Technical Ecstasy is not Paranoid, but there's a surprising degree of quality from album one to album eight.  Heaven and Hell is probably the single best Sabbath record, but Mob Rules isn't.  And as much as I love (and I do love) everything that comes after, it's not a stretch to admit that "Eternal Idol" isn't in the league of Sabotage or Heaven and Hell. 

But Ozzy solo?   Man.  The two Rhoads albums are essential.   The two Jake albums are good, but uneven, and from that point the shit hits the fan.  I'm a huge Zakk fan, and his first two are very good (No More Tears may be the best overall Ozzy solo album), but after that, with the outside writers and the producers, and the revolving door on the guitar, it goes down pretty quickly, to the point that the last two are almost unlistenable to me.  There is NOTHING in the Sabbath catalogue that is "unlistenable" to me. 

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Re: Post your controversial music opinions v. I couldn't find the previous one
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2016, 11:36:33 AM »
People like to say Radiohead are important because they make dull experimental arty po faced music.

The same as when a dull indie band ( like Elbow ) make acoustic ballad songs with strings and choirs.

Music journos go gaga over it.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/radiohead-2016-world-tour-tickets-going-3000-after-bands-roundhouse-shows-sell-out-1550308

Never knew there were so many music journalists  :lol


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Re: Post your controversial music opinions v. I couldn't find the previous one
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2016, 11:52:48 AM »
People like to say Radiohead are important because they make dull experimental arty po faced music.

The same as when a dull indie band ( like Elbow ) make acoustic ballad songs with strings and choirs.

Music journos go gaga over it.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/radiohead-2016-world-tour-tickets-going-3000-after-bands-roundhouse-shows-sell-out-1550308

Never knew there were so many music journalists  :lol

It's not that they're not liked, I get that.  But "important"?   That's different.   Of course it depends on the era, but I don't see Radiohead spawning an entire genre, like Dre or Nirvana did.  I don't see Radiohead changing the industry, like Taylor Swift or Rage or U2 did.  I don't see Radiohead inspiring kids to pick up guitars like Oasis and Kurt did.   

I get from them a lot of mopey noise packaged as "art" and one album where you could "name your price!". 

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2016, 11:55:04 AM »
Naming your price seems bold and adventurous til you realise that all 5 members of Radiohead are probably sorted for life financially already.

And a new band starting out could never be expected to give their album away free because they'd never pay back their advance.

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2016, 12:13:59 PM »
Anathema's best album is Alternative 4.
Ayreon's The Final Experiment is as good as Into the Electric Castle, or maybe even better.
I like Blackmore's Night (thank you Stadler for this one)
Judas Priest's Nostradamus is the second best album they've ever made.
Mark Knopfler's solo output is on par with Dire Straits, if not better.
David Gilmour's third solo album, On An Island, is better than anything Pink Floyd released except WYWH.
Beyond the Bridge's only album is better than anything by any progressive metal band, including Dream Theater, Haken, and all others except Ayreon.
Opeth ditching the harsh vocals was a right decision.
This first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2016, 12:19:16 PM »
I'll take Green Day's worst album over anything the Offspring did after Ixnay on the Hombre.

I'll take neither.  Controversial opinion?
No.

Two terrible bands if you ask me.

I don't see what the big deal is about Pink Floyd.




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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2016, 12:31:42 PM »

If it makes you feel any better, I won't listen to Yes or any DT after 6DOIT.

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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2016, 12:35:57 PM »
But Coz!  John Anderson used Aqua Net in the 80's! :lol
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2016, 12:38:45 PM »
Fall Out Boy is actually kinda awesome.
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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2016, 12:45:26 PM »
David Gilmour's third solo album, On An Island, is better than anything Pink Floyd released except WYWH.
Beyond the Bridge's only album is better than anything by any progressive metal band, including Dream Theater, Haken, and all others except Ayreon.
Opeth ditching the harsh vocals was a right decision.

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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2016, 01:01:14 PM »
(taking cover here :lol)I love:

- Iron Maiden with Blaze (X-Factor is awesome, virtual XI is not so good, but it has some excelent stuff in it nonetheless)
- Anthrax with John Bush (who is 10x the singer Belladonna will ever be). SOTWN is their best record.
- Judas Priest with Ripper (Jugulator is tied with Painkiller and Defenders of The Faith as their best for me. Demolition has more misses than hits, but it´s not so bad as people claim it to be).
- Metallica´s Load and Reload (although i do agree they could´ve been better as one record with the best from each album).
- Skunkworks (my favorite solo album by Bruce, tied with CW, i think the record is amazing and the band had a lot of potential.)
- Megadeth: the run from Countdown To Extinction through Youthanasia until Cryptic Writings is my favorite, and i think Risk is not so bad as its reputation.

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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2016, 01:08:46 PM »
Metallica's ReLoad is a better album than anything they've put out since.

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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2016, 01:15:45 PM »
People like to say Radiohead are important because they make dull experimental arty po faced music.

The same as when a dull indie band ( like Elbow ) make acoustic ballad songs with strings and choirs.

Music journos go gaga over it.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/radiohead-2016-world-tour-tickets-going-3000-after-bands-roundhouse-shows-sell-out-1550308

Never knew there were so many music journalists  :lol

It's not that they're not liked, I get that.  But "important"?   That's different.   Of course it depends on the era, but I don't see Radiohead spawning an entire genre, like Dre or Nirvana did.  I don't see Radiohead changing the industry, like Taylor Swift or Rage or U2 did.  I don't see Radiohead inspiring kids to pick up guitars like Oasis and Kurt did.   

I get from them a lot of mopey noise packaged as "art" and one album where you could "name your price!".
Yeah I'd say Radiohead are just as important as all those, if not more.

Also art is still art whether you understand it or not.

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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2016, 01:17:58 PM »
Metallica's ReLoad is a better album than anything they've put out since.
Easily, IMO.

On Radiohead: I find it weird they are so popular considering what else is popular right now. I get Coldplay, they are catchy and poppy but Radiohead is just too artsy to be popular. Or I just don't get it. I heard their newest once and I think it's better than both Ok Computer and Kid A (listened to those more than once).
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2016, 01:23:07 PM »
Also : Art is art whether it's pretentious shit or not.

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« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2016, 01:25:30 PM »
- Anthrax with John Bush (who is 10x the singer Belladonna will ever be). 
Pretty widely acknowledged, actually.

- Megadeth: the run from Countdown To Extinction through Youthanasia until Cryptic Writings is my favorite, and i think Risk is not so bad as its reputation.
I agree, except that I would add Rust In Peace to that run.  And Risk is amazing.  My 4th favorite from them outside of the previously-mentioned run of 3 albums (plus EP).
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« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2016, 01:35:48 PM »
Metallica's ReLoad is a better album than anything they've put out since.

That's not really saying much.

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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2016, 01:36:32 PM »
Also : Art is art whether it's pretentious shit or not.

How a band like Radiohead who are so reserved and so humble about their own talent can be considered "pretentious" is beyond me. Sure, they occasionally do things that put them in the public eye, but so what?

If you were saving that comment for someone like Steven Wilson who's always finding creative new ways to frame his legacy while taking jabs at bands who doesn't share his vision (like calling The Flower Kings "the death of progressive music"), I could understand. But Radiohead, pretentious? Only if your definition of pretentious is "when people take their art seriously and I don't like".

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« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2016, 01:45:52 PM »
I meant art in general.


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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2016, 02:06:39 PM »
Oh, gotcha  :tup

Moving on then!

New opinion:
I started listening to more classic punk today, and after considering myself a prog guy for the longest time, I know have to admit that there's plenty of punk out there worth listening to.

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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2016, 02:08:11 PM »
The Clash

The Ramones

Bad Religion

Some Rancid...

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« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2016, 02:10:44 PM »
Punk for me was certain songs I liked but full albums on whole is not my cup of tea.
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« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2016, 02:57:16 PM »
Fall Out Boy is actually kinda awesome.

I'll buy this one for a $1.  My kid got into them and I have to say, I wanted so badly to hate them and I can't.  Some of Pete Wentz's lyrics belong on a bubble gum wrapper, but the music is better than I expected, and while I don't care for the tone of Patrick Stump's voice all the time, the man CAN sing. 

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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2016, 02:58:09 PM »
In general, I can't really stand listening to punk.
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« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2016, 02:58:27 PM »
- Skunkworks (my favorite solo album by Bruce, tied with CW, i think the record is amazing and the band had a lot of potential.)

WORD!   I love that album.   

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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2016, 03:08:47 PM »
Also art is still art whether you understand it or not.

I didn't say Radiohead wasn't art, and I didn't say I don't understand it.  I get it (or at least I think I do).  I just don't see what makes it revolutionary.  It's not a case of "like or not", as I am readily capable of separating what I like personally with what has resonated culturally (rap, Bob Dylan, etc.).   Bob Dylan is a legend, and yet I own literally one song of his entire catalogue.

I don't think Radiohead is humble, I think they're pretentious.  I think they choose the different path for the sake of being different, and no other reason.  Contrast with U2 who, love 'em or hate 'em, push the envelope every single time.  AND connect with the people.   I read Rolling Confirmation Bias Magazine regularly, and they happen to love Thom Yorke over there, so he's in there every other issue (every issue now that they are on tour) and basically every appearance is some form of metaphoric fellatio.   No offense to our British friends here, but the epitome of "pretentious" to me is some Brit on tour in America for the first time in five years saying "I'm not playing THAT song because it's boring and obvious", which is exactly what Thom said about "Creep". 

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2016, 03:12:29 PM »
::) Play the song which everyone loves and made us famous millionaires ? Fuck off.

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2016, 03:22:01 PM »
New opinion -

Despite loving Radiohead, Creep is a pretty boring song  :biggrin:

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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2016, 03:25:11 PM »
Haha. Yeah I prefer The Bends to Pablo Honey.