Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[noxon]

Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.

https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/

[Sketchy]

IT'S A CONCEPT ALBUM ABOUT GERMANS

[atmyne]

concept album about illuminationism
#inb4every1catchesontothis


Also i'm pretty sure the name enigma machine was Mike Mangini's input, being the math fanatic that he is.

[hefdaddy42]

Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.

https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/

That is fascinating.

[Kotowboy]

concept album about illuminationism
#inb4every1catchesontothis

[liran95]

Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.

https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/

That is fascinating.

I agree 

[Lowdz]

That picture is definitely a close-up of JR's neck.

Nah, it's Syme's work so it'll be a random pic of someone else's that he recycles (or re-unicycles perhaps  )

[aprilethereal]

Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please

[liran95]

Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please

Concept album about writing concept albums.

[mellotron_scratch]

Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please

Concept album about writing concept albums.

Kind of like JT's 'Thick As a Brick'?

[TheGreatPretender]

Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please

Concept album about writing concept albums.

If you think about it, Black Clouds and Silver Linings is sort of a concept album about the band itself. It starts with JP getting into a car accident. After he gets out of the hospital, he finds himself facing writer's block. Meanwhile, MP feels like he finally put an end to his addiction, then having to face the death of his father. Then back to JP, who's still stuck with writer's block, and decides to take a vacation in Tuscany, where he meets the Count, who gives him a great story to write about, thus completing his story arc.
I don't know where the Freemasons come in. Maybe the doctor who treated JP after the car accident was one.

[liran95]

Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please

Concept album about writing concept albums.

If you think about it, Black Clouds and Silver Linings is sort of a concept album about the band itself. It starts with JP getting into a car accident. After he gets out of the hospital, he finds himself facing writer's block. Meanwhile, MP feels like he finally put an end to his addiction, then having to face the death of his father. Then back to JP, who's still stuck with writer's block, and decides to take a vacation in Tuscany, where he meets the Count, who gives him a great story to write about, thus completing his story arc.
I don't know where the Freemasons come in. Maybe the doctor who treated JP after the car accident was one.

I  U.

[Edson Wilton]

[JayOctavarium]

So it's a humming bird whispering in some dude's ear

[JonnyM93]

So it's a humming bird whispering in some dude's ear

With a majesty symbol tattooed on his head!

[JayOctavarium]

BUT WHO'S HEAD IS IT?

WHAT'S THE BIRD'S NAME?

THESE QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERS

[Tis BOOLsheet]

BUT WHO'S HEAD IS IT?

WHAT'S THE BIRD'S NAME?

THESE QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERS

The count of Tuscany

[JayOctavarium]

The plot thickens.

[Thematt202]

I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years.  Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album?  It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE. 

Or am I just plain wrong?

[jonnybaxy]

I know enigma machine was linked to germans then but I couldn't be bothered listening, but the enigma machine was a machine that coded messages for the Nazis in WW2

[Viking of the Sagas]

I don't know where the Freemasons come in.

Probably during the Illumination Theory.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't know where the Freemasons come in.

Probably during the Illumination Theory.

Wut?

[TL]

Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.

https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/

That is fascinating.

This.

Also, I tracked down part two of that video because it had really peaked my interest. Here's the link for anyone who's interested;
Breaking the Enigma Code

[mikidream]

I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years.  Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album?  It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE. 

Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?

[TheGreatPretender]

I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years.  Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album?  It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE. 

Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?

I noticed that too... If that's how it was before then... Maybe they knew the whole time. o.o

[Viking of the Sagas]

I don't know where the Freemasons come in.

Probably during the Illumination Theory.

Wut?

The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY   
i. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion

[Mosh]

The "wut" was probably to the suggestion that IT is about Freemasons.

[Viking of the Sagas]

Of course he's going to say that. 

[YtseJamittaja]

Really, does everybody of you thinks that thing in the picture is a bird? At first I saw it I thought it was a fish!

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Definitely a bird.

[RoeDent]

It's clearly a hummingbird.

[Dark Castle]

Definitely a bird.

I instantly recognized it as a humming bird.

[GasparXR]

Definitely a bird.

I instantly recognized it as a humming bird.

Yeah, I could hear it humming also

[ariich]

I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years.  Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album?  It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE. 

Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?

I noticed that too... If that's how it was before then... Maybe they knew the whole time. o.o

Seems to have always been that way, based on archive.org's saved version from November 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20111116064443/https://www.dreamtheater.net/

[TheGreatPretender]

The "wut" was probably to the suggestion that IT is about Freemasons.

I was talking about BCSL though... I hope nothing on DT12 is about Freemasons.