Even in a thread about everything Obama, it's hard to carry on 5 different discsussions at the same time. It just get's confusing.
But there aren't 5 different discussions, it's 1 discussion with 5 different sets of details.
Some people: Obama isn't the devil.
EV, Tick, Praxis and others: Obama is the devil.
People who don't care: Bush is worse.
That's it. And it always results in each side saying that the argument is pointless, but then somehow continuing for several pages. How many times have people said "Well this isn't worth arguing with you" or something along those lines? Hell, I'm pretty sure Tick actually retired from the forum 4-5 times in the past week or so.