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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #840 on: May 22, 2011, 09:26:41 AM »
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Hm... I think this is worse than anything on RS1 actually (and I dislike that one quite a lot). Oh well, it's not like I didn't expect this or anything. Hopefully there is a tuneo r two that sounds more like Sisters.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #841 on: May 22, 2011, 09:42:59 AM »
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #842 on: May 22, 2011, 09:51:20 AM »
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 
A live performance as well.

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« Reply #843 on: May 22, 2011, 10:35:24 AM »
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you?  
It's not like a better sounding recording of this will change my mind. I got into DT through a roughed up cassette tape of Awake so sound quality doesn't really matter that much if you don't like what you hear initially. Just like when I loved TPE (the song) when I first heard it. A 128kbps mp3.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #844 on: May 22, 2011, 10:45:02 AM »
It's not the sound quality I'm talking about.  I'm talking about the fact that this is a different recording, in a different setting, with possibly different parts.  A live recording is often a completely different animal from that of a studio song.  That's my only point.  I wasn't talking about sound quality. 

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #845 on: May 22, 2011, 10:47:56 AM »
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #846 on: May 22, 2011, 10:56:04 AM »
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #847 on: May 22, 2011, 10:57:00 AM »
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #848 on: May 22, 2011, 11:18:16 AM »
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #849 on: May 22, 2011, 11:20:03 AM »
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #850 on: May 22, 2011, 11:20:44 AM »
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #851 on: May 22, 2011, 11:20:57 AM »
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

Oh of course not. But that doesn't mean I have to like it while they're doing it. I liked many parts of RS1, but usually just the songs that didn't have that 70's sound, like Sisters, of Dust, Under The Stars, Road Salt, and a few of the 70's sounding songs like Innocence and What She Means to Me. But most of the others I can listen to and enjoy, but don't really care much for.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #852 on: May 22, 2011, 11:21:42 AM »
Whatever they end up doing, I just want them to release more often. I hate it when good bands that takes a long time to release material.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #853 on: May 22, 2011, 11:22:08 AM »
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #854 on: May 22, 2011, 11:23:23 AM »
I honestly love RS1, but I'm thirsty for a new direction. It's been about a year since it came out, and we were supposed to get both at the same time.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #855 on: May 22, 2011, 11:23:40 AM »
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
Yeah that would be great, I really love 12:5. Something like that, but a studio album of new material, could be so amazing!

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #856 on: May 22, 2011, 11:25:04 AM »
Speaking of RS2, is there any kind of release date yet? Or is Daniel still trying to make it more "raw" sounding?
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #857 on: May 22, 2011, 11:25:29 AM »
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!
Witchcraft do it a lot better, imo. Just putting it out there, not that I hate all 70s sounding music (maybe just the one made in the 70s because it sounds horriblem, much worse than that live recording of PoS :d).

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #858 on: May 22, 2011, 11:47:01 AM »
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

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« Reply #859 on: May 22, 2011, 01:50:43 PM »
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #860 on: May 22, 2011, 01:52:11 PM »
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #861 on: May 22, 2011, 01:53:42 PM »
I'd like to hear another album that sounds like RS1, Scarsick or Be.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #862 on: May 22, 2011, 01:59:23 PM »
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 

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« Reply #863 on: May 22, 2011, 02:10:02 PM »
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 
That was referring to the new song.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #864 on: May 22, 2011, 06:08:09 PM »
I saw Conditioned live (twice even :D), it was FUCKING AWESOME.

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« Reply #865 on: May 22, 2011, 08:51:58 PM »
Out of everything post Scarsick, I still enjoy 'Gone' more than all the other songs they've released on Road Salt and the EP.
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« Reply #866 on: May 22, 2011, 08:55:19 PM »
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.

This, x1000. The thing is, I would love this stuff, if I hadn't already heard it and wasn't already in love with actual 60-70s hard rock.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #867 on: May 22, 2011, 09:00:48 PM »
PoS going all electro would awesome.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #868 on: May 22, 2011, 09:56:03 PM »
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
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« Reply #869 on: May 22, 2011, 09:58:41 PM »
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

I like different. Just not when "different" means ripping off music from 40-50 years ago.

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« Reply #870 on: May 22, 2011, 09:59:53 PM »
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
Um...what?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #871 on: May 22, 2011, 10:20:58 PM »
PoS with RS1 and Symphony X with PL are some examples I've noticed. I quite enjoy Road Salt 1 even Sleeping Under The Starts. Scarsick is also great probably among their best, its energetic and fun sounding.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #872 on: May 22, 2011, 10:23:27 PM »
Most of the complaints I heard is that they found it begins sounding like generic alt metal. I disagree, but I'm not a big fan.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
« Reply #873 on: May 23, 2011, 01:43:20 AM »
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

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« Reply #874 on: May 23, 2011, 01:53:22 AM »
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