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Title: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 06:41:11 AM
Just realised how massive the old thread was getting! (here for reference: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=185.0)

So, here we discuss all things Pain of Salvation. Think I'll start with an album ranking as I don't think I've done one in a while:

1. Be
2. The Perfect Element
3. Road Salt 1
4. Remedy Lane
5. Entropia/
-. Scarsick
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

But to be honest, they're all pretty damn good.

Oh and feel free to carry on any discussions that were happening at the end of the previous thread.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 23, 2010, 06:46:18 AM
Based on what I've heard;

1. Entropia
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. Be
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on August 23, 2010, 06:50:54 AM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Road Salt 1
3. Remedy Lane
4. BE
5. Entropia

Haven't really listened to Scarsick and OHBTCL yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 07:33:26 AM
5/5 albums
1. The Perfect Element, Part 1
2. BE
3. Remedy Lane

4/5 albums
4. Scarsick
5. Road Salt One

3/5 albums
6. Entropia
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

I love them all :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 23, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt 1
6. Scarsick
7. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 23, 2010, 09:15:10 AM
1. Be 10/10
2. The Perfect Element Part 1 10/10
3. Entropia 8.5/10
4. One Hour By The Concrete Lake 8/10
5. Remedy Lane 7/10
6. Road Salt One 6/10
7. Scarsick 4/10
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 09:16:26 AM
Can't rate, but TPE is first and Be second.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: axeman90210 on August 23, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
of the three I have

Remedy Lane

TPE











BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 23, 2010, 09:57:50 AM
1.  Scarsick            (:biggrin:)
2.  BE
3.  TPE
4.  Entropia
5.  Remedy Lane
6.  Road  Salt One
7.  One Hour


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:12:45 AM
1. TPE
2. BE (live)
3. RL
4. Entropia
5. OHBTCL
6. Scarsick
7. RS1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
Why live Adami?

edit: woah woah, they played it live a full year before releasing the studio album?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:19:54 AM
Why live Adami?

I just listen to the live version wayyyyy more than the studio version. I heard it first, I like it better. I haven't listened to the studio version enough to place it anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 10:20:34 AM
It's essentially the same. Seems an odd distinction to make in your rankings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 10:23:31 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:23:39 AM
It's essentially the same. Seems an odd distinction to make in your rankings.

YOU'RE AN ODD DISTINCTION!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:24:09 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

No, I seriously saw no point. I'm not sure anyone else got it either. It might have been the dumbest idea I've heard from a band yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
Gone is such a good song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 23, 2010, 11:41:59 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

Yeah, but it's not worth it.  The new songs aren't really songs, as I'm sure you've heard, but their cool intros, so I just add them to the original version as not to hear the awful edits. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on August 23, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
Why are we closing the original thread?

If you're not completely deleting it, I see no point at all. How much space does it take up exactly?

As far as ranking the albums...it depends on my mood. I am in the process of a PoS Top 30 on this forum, but considering the lack of replies or interest, it's hard to find the motivation to complete. Which is somewhat of a suprise as PoS are one of the most talked about bands on this forum, yet the Porcupine Tree Top 50 threads garner plenty of attention.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 23, 2010, 12:09:11 PM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

Unfortunately, yes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 12:45:39 PM
Why are we closing the original thread?

If you're not completely deleting it, I see no point at all. How much space does it take up exactly?
We'll delete them eventually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on August 23, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
First page, awesome.

I don't think I've ever ranked these guys' albums.

BE - 9/10
TPE - 9/10
RL - 7/10
Scarsick - 7/10
RS1 - 6/10
OHBTCL - 4/10

Haven't got Entropia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on August 23, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
1. Remedy Lane - 10/10
1. TPE - 10/10

2. Scarsick - 9/10
2. Be - 9/10

3. Road Salt 1 - 9/10

4. Entropia - 8/10

5. One Hour By The Concrete Lake - 7/10
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
Switch Remedy Lane and Be and I might agree with that one. The first half of OHBTCL is among my favorite material from the band, but the second falls a bit short for me, so it may very well be last on my list.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
Most likely, many members know my opinion about DG but I really like their works though. PoS is another strong castle of progressive music. For me, Be deserves to place #1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2010, 05:27:47 PM
TPE
Entropia
Remedy Lane
Be
One Hour
Road Salt
Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2010, 06:28:03 PM
1. Scarsick
2. Remedy Lane
3. The Perfect Element
4. Be
5. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
6. Entropia
7. Road Salt One

But really, all their albums are MUSIC WIN!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 23, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
1. The Perfect Element, Part I
2. Remedy Lane (though it battles with TPE for first quite a bit)
3. Road Salt One
4. BE
5. Entropia
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 24, 2010, 04:20:41 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Anyway, Daniel Gildenlöw is much more than a music making-machine, he's damn sexy. :heart Both me and my girlfriend has him on our "exception"-list. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 04:53:37 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2010, 05:47:05 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Yes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 24, 2010, 07:23:00 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.

You put BE last so we'll just ignore you :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 07:30:25 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.

You put BE last so we'll just ignore you :loser:
:rollin

Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 07:35:07 AM
BE seems awesome as an album and a concept, but I just can't enjoy it casually. I could give it a listen when I'm in the mood for some serious concept album, but I wouldn't listen to songs like Nauticus I or Pluvius when I'm in a crowded place. Also the tracks like Animae Partus, and Vocari makes the album even less enjoyable as a casual listen. Dea seems a bit dragging for me.

Well but I give some of them regular listens. Including Imago, Lilium, Diffidentia, and Nauticus II.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 24, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
There's a Japanese bonus track once again.  Maybe it'll surface somewhere, but for now you can hear it here https://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3856289

It sounds like jazz and apparently has Daniel drumming. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 24, 2010, 04:26:07 PM
What do I click ???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 04:26:56 PM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on August 24, 2010, 10:03:54 PM
Guys, whats the bestest album to star with POS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 10:06:17 PM
Guys, whats the bestest album to star with POS?


RL (Remedy Lane)


Most others will say TPE (The Perfect Element) but I have found that starting at the best and working your way down isn't usually the best idea. So start near the top and see where it goes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 24, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> Entropia -> Be -> Scarsick -> OHBTCL -> RS1

Enjoy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on August 24, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
Thanks guys. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 10:22:20 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
Me too. 12:5 and then Remedy Lane, it was an amazing way to be introduced to the band. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 25, 2010, 04:27:57 AM
For me it was;

Half of Entropia -> Remedy Lane -> Entropia -> Half of One Hour -> Half of BE -> Bit of Scarsick -> Bit of TPE -> BE -> TPE

Now rediscovering BE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on August 25, 2010, 07:20:19 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Anyway, Daniel Gildenlöw is much more than a music making-machine, he's damn sexy. :heart Both me and my girlfriend has him on our "exception"-list. :lol

I like seeing other people's rankings but I don't do them myself. My favourite songs/albums tend to change depending on my mood so I don't ever have a solid list.

And yeah, he is very sexy  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 25, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?

(https://imgur.com/ReiSc.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 09:03:44 AM
Oh, shit, thanks! :lol

Can't really form an opinion around that sample, I'll have to hear the full thing some day.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 10:20:18 AM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?


Don't get no attitude toward me young man!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 25, 2010, 12:57:19 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
I love 12:5. Re-arranging that many songs, you'd think something in that performance would fall flat. But, at least in my opinion, every single song on the album works, and works well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 01:11:40 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
I love 12:5. Re-arranging that many songs, you'd think something in that performance would fall flat. But, at least in my opinion, every single song on the album works, and works well.

Oh god does it. I'm kinda glad they didn't put Nightmist in there after all, it was just too......well sounded way too much like the original, and not in a good way.

But yea it was awesome hearing the 12:5 version of those songs, then hearing the originals after. Blew my load, I mean mind, blew my mind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 25, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?


Don't get no attitude toward me young man!
:-*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
How odd...

itunes has PoS categorized in the following genres:

Be Live - Metal
Entropia - Rock
On the Two Deaths Of - Rock
OHBTCL - Rock
TPE1 - Rock
RS1 - Alternative & Punk
Scarsick - Electronica /Dance (!!!???)

Guess whoever is in charge of assigning genres really had no clue what to make of PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2010, 04:09:30 PM
Bahahahaha!

iTunes is so terrible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 04:12:43 PM
Bahahahaha!

iTunes is so terrible.

Just for shits and giggles I checked my DT itunes page and every cd is classified as metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 25, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
How odd...

itunes has PoS categorized in the following genres:

Be Live - Metal
Entropia - Rock
On the Two Deaths Of - Rock
OHBTCL - Rock
TPE1 - Rock
RS1 - Alternative & Punk
Scarsick - Electronica /Dance (!!!???)

Guess whoever is in charge of assigning genres really had no clue what to make of PoS.

Well, what would YOU call Pain of Salvation?


And as for Scarsick, he must have only heard Disco Queen  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 05:54:03 PM
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Well, what would YOU call Pain of Salvation?

Probably metal or rock, given the genre choices they have. Of course if itunes had a progressive metal category that's what I would call 'em. What about you?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 05:55:45 PM
Punktronica.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Punktronica.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Post-Ironic Beardcore
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
There is a video on youtube where PoS was playing at some festival and Daniel says the only person he bows to is Tori Amos. That made me so giddy cause I'm a huge Tori fan and it's nice to know her brilliance is recognized by someone as awesome as him. And now I keep hearing Tori's influence in his music, especially on the Scarsick album. Also hear Mike Patton's influence. Are these types of observations frowned upon here?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 06:47:35 PM
There is a video on youtube where PoS was playing at some festival and Daniel says the only person he bows to is Tori Amos. That made me so giddy cause I'm a huge Tori fan and it's nice to know her brilliance is recognized by someone as awesome as him. And now I keep hearing Tori's influence in his music, especially on the Scarsick album. Also hear Mike Patton's influence. Are these types of observations frowned upon here?

No, I played Used for my dad and he said "this sounds like something Mike Patton would do". :lol I also hear a lot of Faith No More in Entropia, and Daniel has listed Album of the Year and Mr. Bungle's California among his favorite albums.

I've only heard two Tori Amos songs, but I loved them. I need to listen to more of her stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 06:58:44 PM
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No, I played Used for my dad and he said "this sounds like something Mike Patton would do". :lol I also hear a lot of Faith No More in Entropia, and Daniel has listed Album of the Year and Mr. Bungle's California among his favorite albums.
Woooyeah!!! DG has good taste in music. Glad I'm not the only one that hears FNM and Mike Patton all over the place.

Quote
I've only heard two Tori Amos songs, but I loved them. I need to listen to more of her stuff.

She's one of the most underrated artists ever, in my opinion. If you really want to give her a try I'd suggest starting with her older stuff. Most Tori fans agree that she hasn't put out anything really great since To Venus and Back. That's a good one to check out. Also Boys for Pele and From the Choirgirl Hotel. Under the Pink and Little Earthquakes are amazing but I wouldn't recommend them to a guy just starting out. Lots of chicks dig those albums because they deal with chick drama.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
The Mike Patton influence was one of the first things I noticed with POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 26, 2010, 05:09:29 PM
The Mike Patton influence was one of the first things I noticed with POS.
Yeah, it's pretty clear. I heard POS before I heard Mike Patton or Faith No More, though, so I actually noticed it in reverse.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on August 26, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
Scarsick = Remedy Lane = TPE1 > Road Salt 1 > Entropia = One Hour >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2010, 04:05:55 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on August 27, 2010, 04:14:23 AM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on August 27, 2010, 06:22:26 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 27, 2010, 09:14:38 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2010, 09:21:21 AM
I don't think there's any fail when it comes to POS rankings, each album is a MUSIC WIN!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 27, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
No, that was by far the biggest feature of his fail.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 27, 2010, 05:02:41 PM
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At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.
Not this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on August 28, 2010, 03:57:14 AM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
That's interesting since a few others hate on it so hard (Darkes, I think).  I've been spinning RL a lot lately and "Second Love" is one of my favorites from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 12:06:08 PM
Back to the what to start with conversation. I actually started with Remedy Lane and didn't like it. I found it bland. When I tried The Perfect Element I loved it. My current favourite is BE by a longshot but thats not really a starting album as it's pretty different for them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on August 28, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
That's interesting since a few others hate on it so hard (Darkes, I think).
Apart from the fact that it's a "pop" song made by a prog band, I don't really the problem with it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 12:13:53 PM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.

Does not compute.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on August 28, 2010, 01:16:40 PM
Didn't see the this thread earlier. Obligatory album ranking:

RL=TPE1 >
Be >
OHBTCL=Entropia >
RS1 >
Scarsick

Oh yeah. And 'Beyond the Pale' beats 'The Perfect Element' in the battle of the closers. That is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 02:13:42 PM
Didn't see the this thread earlier. Obligatory album ranking:

RL=TPE1 >
Be >
OHBTCL=Entropia >
RS1 >
Scarsick

Oh yeah. And 'Beyond the Pale' beats 'The Perfect Element' in the battle of the closers. That is all.
Agreed here. Remedy Lane isn't one of my favourites from them, but wow thats an amazing closer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 28, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
Used remains my favorite metal song of all time.

Just professing my love for it once more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 28, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
Just curious, how do you all pronounced Used?

Do you do it like, "She used me" or "Getting used to pain"?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 29, 2010, 02:07:43 AM
Just curious, how do you all pronounced Used?

Do you do it like, "She used me" or "Getting used to pain"?

I always think of the first one, I think it works better as a song title.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2010, 02:12:47 AM
Ditto.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Me too. I wonder how DG pronounces it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 29, 2010, 12:32:16 PM
I pronounce it as the former, but considering how it's used (olol) in the context of the song I'd imagine it's the latter. Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 29, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.

Well that's just mean.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
He's right though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
He's right though.

So? It's still poopy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on August 30, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
I think he'll probably go for the double meaning thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 30, 2010, 07:37:01 AM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.

Yeah, simply saying "yoost" just seems weird.  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 30, 2010, 08:37:11 AM
12:5 and BE was my first PoS CD's actually. :lol After hearing a sample of the song ! from Entropia, that was quite a shock.

PoS was always like Opeth to me - they took a while to get used to. (USED OLOL!) But once you're sucked in, there's no sucking out...

...wait wat?

That being said, older PoS is far superior to new PoS. And this video proves it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqszACV4I40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqszACV4I40) - People Passing By with Johan Langell and Kristoffer Gildenlöw. The only thing missing from this video is Johan Hallgren's bare chest. :heart

Still love them though. :heart And it's worth saying again - Daniel Gildenlöw is HOT! GOD DAMN!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 30, 2010, 09:14:12 AM
By newer, I suppose you're pertaining to Scarsick and RS?

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 31, 2010, 12:28:55 AM
Yeah, I do. I enjoy the CD's, I really do. But I'm getting a way different vibe from those two records than what they did in the past.

Before anyone uses that card, yes, they are progressive, constantly changing. I have no problem with that. But there was a certain magic with those earlier records that now are gone.

They're still awesome, though. Sisters, if nothing else, proves that. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 05:51:36 AM
I'm quite bored, so I typed in Daniel Gildenlow in google images and look who came up at the bottom left....WTF!!!

https://www.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=577&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=daniel+gildenlow&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on August 31, 2010, 05:58:29 AM
Also, Kevin Moore top left.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 06:07:52 AM
Also, Kevin Moore top left.

LOL.  I believed you there for a second.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 31, 2010, 07:09:46 AM
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 31, 2010, 07:20:09 AM
I miss his long hair. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;

One guy here just doesn't seem to fit, I can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 31, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
Why the fuck does Hallgren have clothing
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on August 31, 2010, 05:44:56 PM
Why the fuck does Hallgren have clothing
Probably to increase the effect when he removed them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
That actually makes sense :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on October 12, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 12, 2010, 04:04:43 PM
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;

That's strange, they don't look Swedish AT ALL.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on October 12, 2010, 04:22:48 PM
So who's gonna see them on the tour they're on? I saw them sunday, they did _real_ good. They're even tighter now! They mingled afterwards (when the crowd had started to go home so it wouldn't be total chaos), so that was nice of them! Hallgren commented on how long my sister-in-law's hair had gotten :lol Their bass player blends well in, he looks like a PoS-guy/rock star and knows his (well, their :P ) stuff. Their guitar tech smacked Hallgren on the bum because he stood in the way when he tried to get off stage and they were all in all in a very good mood even though Daniel was brewing on something and they had only barely managed not to cancel the concert :omg: And I bought an epic fangirl-shirt:
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs807.snc4/68768_10150296041835354_552035353_15285562_5863106_n.jpg)
(sorry crappy iPhone pic taken at night by myself...)

Tl;dr: They're awesome live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on October 12, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 12, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!

Apocalyptica are really great fun live, they put on an amazing show when I saw them. Granted I don't really like their new album (though only heard through once), I saw them on the tour of my favourite album (the second latest). The thing that impressed me though was that even on the Metallica songs (I don't like metallica or their covers of) I found myself enjoying it. So yeah, take that how you want.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on October 12, 2010, 11:49:10 PM
Found some pics I thought I might share. :)

With mr Simon Andersson:
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28977_8545.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28978_8785.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28979_9035.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28980_9282.jpg)

The "classic" line-up: (from around BE I believe)
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29009_3320.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29010_3569.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29011_3741.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 12, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
Oh I god I miss the classic line up. I'd kill for those two to rejoin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2010, 07:34:43 AM
Did his brother even write at all?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 13, 2010, 07:38:07 AM
Did his brother even write at all?

https://www.myspace.com/thebanddial

Listen to "Sadness." That's his brother. I'm assuming he wrote it.

And I have the album. Unfortunately it's nowhere near as good as that one song on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on October 13, 2010, 07:55:24 AM
I'm going to see these guys in two weeks. It's good to hear that they're still as awesome as before with the new members.

BTW: That's a very cool shirt veronica. I may have to get myself one of those. The male variant, that is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on October 13, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!

Apocalyptica are really great fun live, they put on an amazing show when I saw them. Granted I don't really like their new album (though only heard through once), I saw them on the tour of my favourite album (the second latest). The thing that impressed me though was that even on the Metallica songs (I don't like metallica or their covers of) I found myself enjoying it. So yeah, take that how you want.

Yeah, I might be able to get in free...not sure yet but fingers crossed
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2010, 10:38:03 AM
Did his brother even write at all?

He is listed in the credits for previous albums. And after he left, the bass became lame. One can assume he wrote.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on October 16, 2010, 06:08:11 AM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2010, 06:10:43 AM
Anyone heard any updates of RS2??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2010, 06:22:50 AM
Pushed back until at least March.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2010, 06:33:21 AM
Pushed back until at least March.

Christ.  :\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 16, 2010, 06:35:43 AM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Pretty cool.

Edit: Also, just wondering, have you guys heard all those bonus tracks like Beyond the Mirror, Never Learn to Fly, Thorn Clown, etc.? For me some of them are better than most of the other tracks in the album. Hell, Beyond the Mirror is like the best song in One Hour if included.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on October 16, 2010, 09:21:35 AM
Beyond the Mirror is pretty badass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 16, 2010, 09:25:52 AM
Beyond the Mirror is pretty badass.

What is that? Like "Beyond the Pale" played in Wonderland or something?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on October 16, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
If you had read the post above mine, you would know it's a bonus track. On One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 16, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
I'm going to see them live for the first time tomorrow!!!
 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 16, 2010, 05:24:00 PM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Pretty cool.

Edit: Also, just wondering, have you guys heard all those bonus tracks like Beyond the Mirror, Never Learn to Fly, Thorn Clown, etc.? For me some of them are better than most of the other tracks in the album. Hell, Beyond the Mirror is like the best song in One Hour if included.

Thorn Clown is one of my absolute favorites, maybe one of my favorite 5 songs by Daniel.  It should have replaced Rope Ends or something like that.  I like Never Learn to Fly a lot, too. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ich bin besser on October 16, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
Here are my pics from tonight's gig in Bochum/Germany (Beardfish supporting, setlist in the last pic): https://entertainment.webshots.com/album/578796940fTzrya

Very entertaining evening! PoS played for about 95 minutes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
I'm also seeing them tomorrow, for the 4th time.

I kinda hope they don't play too long (95 minutes seems perfect) because I have to rush to get the last train back. It's either that or head to my parent's house. That would mean that I have to get up really early to head back home though. I have to give a presentation monday morning so I would prefer catching the last train...


Jakarta, if I see you or Mizzl (I would recognize you from the pic thread) I might say hello. Don't count on it though, I'm going with friends who would find it a bit weird, and like I said - we will be in the biggest hurry ever.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 17, 2010, 05:36:30 AM
Morning On Earth. Why does it have to be so epic? It's easily my favorite PoS ballad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:34:16 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

Encore:
Nightmist

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2010, 10:41:07 AM
Few comments.

1. AWESOME SETLIST! Soooo much better than their DVD setlist too.

2. I hate you for getting a pic with daniel.

3. You're 2nd picture with Johan is fake, I can tell because he's wearing clothes. Clearly not johan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:46:06 AM
Few comments.

1. AWESOME SETLIST! Soooo much better than their DVD setlist too.

2. I hate you for getting a pic with daniel.

3. You're 2nd picture with Johan is fake, I can tell because he's wearing clothes. Clearly not johan.

Few comments

1. YES!!!, DAMN AWESOME!!!

2. I understand

3. Damn, He's a fraude
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on October 18, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)





WTF they were at the Boerderij yesterday? Damn. Damnit! Setlist looks awesome, pics as well. Oh well, I saw PT last week  :metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)





WTF they were at the Boerderij yesterday? Damn. Damnit! Setlist looks awesome, pics as well. Oh well, I saw PT last week  :metal.

No, they were at De Pul in Uden.
They're coming to de Boerderij in a month though.
I can't go, But you should check it out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 18, 2010, 05:29:41 PM
That's a very impresesive setlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 18, 2010, 08:21:38 PM
They are playing People Passing By live again?  Awesome!  It's also really awesome that they're playing Kingdom of Loss.  Now they just need to play King of Loss live  ;)



Question:  I'm wondering as to how they performed Of Dust.. Did they change the song for a live setting? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on October 19, 2010, 03:44:09 AM
Amazing setlist! POS are so awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 05:04:53 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on October 19, 2010, 06:34:44 AM
Listening now to A Trace Of Blood. Yummy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 19, 2010, 07:50:45 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...

so you got home okay?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 08:13:54 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...

so you got home okay?
Yep. Got home pretty late but somehow I managed to get there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on October 19, 2010, 11:36:45 AM
Question:  I'm wondering as to how they performed Of Dust.. Did they change the song for a live setting? 
If I remember correctly (and I should, since it's just been 10 days since I saw them), it was just played over speakers while the pulpit used on the next song was dragged in and such.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 19, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
I attended the show with Mizzl
Here are the pictures of him and the setlist I got

Mizzl with the band:
(https://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3Z8uWsdiI/AAAAAAAAABo/m3kjpSgZ_7w/s640/IMG_1787.jpg)
(https://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3ZY9e_UPI/AAAAAAAAABg/1RwBqPBe3mQ/s640/IMG_1795.jpg)


Mah Setlist:
(https://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3ZzpB0Q1I/AAAAAAAAABk/Abb0bamvXwo/s512/IMG_1796.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on October 19, 2010, 11:57:51 AM
fo shizzl, mizzl!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
You guys should really report that Johan impersonater to the police.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 04:57:22 PM
Awesome setlist  :metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2010, 05:12:16 PM
I love Daniel's tshirt :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 21, 2010, 07:38:36 AM
You guys should really report that Johan impersonater to the police.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
That really is an amazing setlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 29, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
That really is an amazing setlist.

When there is Falling/ TPE, it's automatically a good set.

Although I'm not really fond of their live performance of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:42:54 AM
An official DVD of that set would be nothing to complain about though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:15:55 PM
I'm listening to The Perfect Element for the first time in about a month.  My God, this album is amazing!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 29, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
I'm listening to The Perfect Element for the first time in about a month.  My God, this album is amazing!!  :hefdaddy
*agreeing*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 29, 2010, 04:33:54 PM
That really is an amazing setlist.

When there is Falling/ TPE, it's automatically a good set.

Although I'm not really fond of their live performance of the song.


The Perfect Element, I've always thought, is one of their best live songs.


However, I will agree that Daniel usually butchers Falling for whatever reason.  Kind of funny considering there are guitar parts in Pain of Salvation about a thousand times harder that he nails every time.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 29, 2010, 05:04:31 PM
I think I have seen them do it 4 times now. Twice Daniel was about spot on, the other two times he was quite a bit off. Strange indeed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 14, 2010, 02:48:49 PM
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 02:50:36 PM
Yea, what the hell song calls for that??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on November 14, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
Yea, what the hell song calls for that??
kingdom of loss
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 14, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
Yup. Also glad to see Zoltan got away from the stage during the tour, in to the public.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
Yup. Also glad to see Zoltan got away from the stage during the tour, in to the public.

Zoltan?

What the hell is going on with my favorite band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on November 14, 2010, 03:18:27 PM
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:

probably for one of the songs where he insults the greatest country on earth. :tick2:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 14, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Zoltan is the guy who took that picture. And the tour manager. And a friend kinda.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
I hate to break this to you Keyboardframe, but Entropia isn't a real country.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:20:35 PM
Zoltan is the guy who took that picture. And the tour manager. And a friend kinda.


Ohhhh, cool. I guess that's when he's not busy with Tom Hanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on November 15, 2010, 02:31:09 AM
I hate to break this to you Keyboardframe, but Entropia isn't a real country.

Damn. :tup

I love you Adami. Just saying. But you probably know already.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 15, 2010, 03:46:08 AM
So I guess nobody knows why he's using that podium and for which song? And why have Johan and mr Bass Player (can't remember his name) switched sides?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Agrapha on November 15, 2010, 04:50:35 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 15, 2010, 05:00:38 AM
Yup, he's "preaching" to the crowd. Johan and mr Bass Player bounced around quite a bit when I saw them so I bet it's just coincidental.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 15, 2010, 05:29:12 AM
Mizzl with the band:
(https://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3Z8uWsdiI/AAAAAAAAABo/m3kjpSgZ_7w/s640/IMG_1787.jpg)
At first I only saw this and it cracked me up :lol

By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.

Also, when I saw them on Metal Hammer Festival, Daniel played Falling flawlessly. I admit when I heard what actually is the "pretty long last song" I had tears in my eyes, I had waited several years for this...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on November 15, 2010, 05:41:53 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

uuuugggggghhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 15, 2010, 06:24:25 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on November 15, 2010, 07:21:11 AM
So I guess nobody knows why he's using that podium and for which song? And why have Johan and mr Bass Player (can't remember his name) switched sides?
Per Schelander is the bassplayer
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 15, 2010, 07:39:09 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?
They STARTED playing that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 15, 2010, 08:40:26 AM
Okay, as a contrast, here is an AMAZINGLY sexual/sensual God/man/beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfEwab1UeSM&feature=grec_index (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfEwab1UeSM&feature=grec_index)

GOD, do they still have it. :heart

EDIT: he really goes APESHIT the last minute. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on November 15, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Ah, the good old days.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 15, 2010, 10:37:05 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?

It's one of their best songs, I think.  Dunno how it works live, but I assume well.  The podium thing looks kind of cool actually. 

Also...

(https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/5112028094_08e3ffc871_z.jpg)

Cracka's got some serious ups!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 15, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:

probably for one of the songs where he insults the greatest country on earth.
He insults Canada?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 15, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2010, 11:05:39 AM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.

This is indeed quite logical.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.

This is indeed quite logical.

DG would definitely approve of this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 16, 2010, 07:58:30 AM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on November 16, 2010, 09:03:46 AM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2010, 09:04:50 AM
Well the setlist on the page says they play it live.

And Kingdom of Loss is awesome, what are you fools talking about?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on November 16, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Well the setlist on the page says they play it live.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2010, 09:08:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stl-3Bo3YhQ

Gildenlow makes me laugh :lol

(That song looks *great* live)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on November 16, 2010, 01:52:13 PM
oh wowwie that was actaully pretty snazzy  :metal :metal ;D :tick2:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 16, 2010, 01:58:50 PM
Just chucked Scarsick back on after about a month of not listening to it.  Amazing album, it has held up so well for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 16, 2010, 04:04:24 PM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Thanks a lot. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 02:15:39 PM
You know, I was listening to Our Hour last night, and that is one amazing album, it really is.  Gonna spin it again today!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on November 17, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
Whose hour?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Whose hour?

wat??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
Whose hour?

wat??

Yours and who's hour?



(you said Our Hour, not One Hour in your original post).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 03:39:51 PM
Whose hour?

wat??

Yours and who's hour?



(you said Our Hour, not One Hour in your original post).

That's right.  Don't you remember that amazing hour that you me and sonata spent together last night Adami?  :heart


(Just put ONE Hour on right now, Inside is awesome!!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 05, 2010, 07:01:58 AM
In the mood for a PoS-fest.

Road Salt One has aged really nicely so far, and sharpening the sound helps to alleviate the mixing somewhat, onto Scarsick! (Reverse listening party)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on December 05, 2010, 08:30:03 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 06, 2010, 03:21:05 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 06, 2010, 06:38:09 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!

This.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on December 06, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!

This.

These.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 06, 2010, 10:17:07 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup
Indeed!
This.
These.
All of the above.  Probably still my favorite from this year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 06, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
I still prefer Scarsick, but then I loooooove Scarsick so...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 06, 2010, 01:25:45 PM
I also prefer Scarsick. RS1 is actually fairly simple, and I still have some problems with its integrity and a bit of inconsistency in terms of atmosphere, it's still a good album though. Scarsick takes ages to get into and fully appreciate, but when I finally did... this album _is_ an absolute masterpiece and a work of genius.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 06, 2010, 06:08:37 PM
I just hope RS2 makes an appearance early next year.

I really have an urge to listen to Conditioned.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 06, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
I just hope RS2 makes an appearance early next year.

I really have an urge to listen to Conditioned.

Has there been any indication that it is actually going to be on the album?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 06, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Will RS2 ever even exist?

I mean jesus christ. As far as I know, it's been finished for over a year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 06, 2010, 07:52:06 PM
Will RS2 ever even exist?

I mean jesus christ. As far as I know, it's been finished for over a year.

No, apparently they've reopened it and a good portion of it is being rerecorded/rewritten. 

As much as I want to hear it sooner than later, I'm kind of glad, since it would be very akward getting a bunch of songs a year late that were fully meant to be grouped with the first batch
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 06, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
Does anyone know why? I'd be happy if it's because the band are having second thoughts about how suitable for the world the first one was  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.

Your opinion < the truth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 09, 2010, 01:00:30 PM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 09, 2010, 02:09:43 PM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.

agreed

Quote
Your opinion < the truth.

Also, the truth < Enter Rain
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 02:10:46 PM
Oh god, people who think Enter Rain is the greatest song ever written.


The song is very good, but seriously the chorus just drags it down. No matter how amazing the ending is, it doesn't save the rest of the song from being a standard PoS song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 09, 2010, 02:52:35 PM
the truth < Enter Rain

the truth = Jesus Christ

Enter Rain = Daniel Gildenlöw

Therefore:

Jesus Christ < Daniel Gildenlöw

OH NO WHAT DID I JUST DO!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Oh god, people who think Enter Rain is the greatest song ever written.


The song is very good, but seriously the chorus just drags it down. No matter how amazing the ending is, it doesn't save the rest of the song from being a standard PoS song.

I always liked Enter Rain, it's not the best thing they've ever done but it's good, but I never understood the hype with the ending, yeah it's good but come on.  Maybe I've just missed something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 04:10:20 PM
I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
The Perfect Element, Part I is such an amazing album. Amazing that its sequel is so crappy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
I love his delivery of the chorus, so I don't really get how you can feel ambivalent about it.

And I think Idiocracy needs more love, especially the ending :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 06:13:40 PM
I love his delivery of the chorus, so I don't really get how you can feel ambivalent about it.

And I think Idiocracy needs more love, especially the ending :omg:

It's a fine chorus. But it's not THAT great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
Better than TPE's.

(edit: I don't consider enter rain their best song btw)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 06:31:38 PM
Better than TPE's.

No.

I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album


No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
I tend to agree. While the other songs all have a ton of great moments, TPE only has a few, and only one that really resonates with me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
I tend to agree. While the other songs all have a ton of great moments, TPE only has a few, and only one that really resonates with me.

Yeah, I think that's what I mean.  I love it, but I love most of the other songs more, they just stick with me more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 10, 2010, 06:05:33 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
I think I wouldn't strictly agree, but I'd say Enter Rain is very, very close behind.

I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Because it's so powerful. As simple as this...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on December 10, 2010, 06:17:00 AM
I will ignore the discussion and claim that The Perfect Element is one of the best songs ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 10, 2010, 09:19:50 AM
I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Because it's so powerful. As simple as this...

I like the song and all but I don't find it particularly amazing either to be honest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on December 10, 2010, 09:39:44 AM
I never thought 'Enter Rain' was great, kind of underwhelmed actually. Hadn't listened to it in years, but now I'm revisiting it, and yeah. It's pretty damn great.

Nonetheless, not really in the PoS mood, going back to Meshuggah.  :xbones
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 10, 2010, 09:57:38 AM
I will ignore the discussion and claim that The Perfect Element is one of the best songs ever.
:tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 10, 2010, 08:19:03 PM
It's 50% better if you listen Falling before it and let the songs flow into each other.
Falling by itself is better than Enter Rain, so I don't know what is there to discuss... :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 12:35:58 AM
PoS ended with BE and everything later should be burned. We know. Next.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on December 11, 2010, 12:40:45 AM
Scarsick is better than people are making it out to be. And Road Salt is definitely not bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 12:42:18 AM
Yes, but that happens whenever he appears in this thread. And this time I'm not even exaggerating.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 11, 2010, 01:44:52 AM
I enjoy both Scarsick and Road Salt, but only on occasions. I would have liked it better if PoS had written different albums instead of those one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 01:47:49 AM
I doubt a different album that's forced because "fans would want that" would be any better than these two they/he created because that's what they/he wanted.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 11, 2010, 04:52:34 AM
Yeah, I realize that, but the point is Scarsick and Road Salt are  both albums I simple "tolerate" because I believe that the artist involved (DG) is worth giving full consideration. Road Salt One has grown on me quite a bit lately, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 11, 2010, 05:08:46 AM
PoS ended with BE and everything later should be burned. We know. Next.
That's just so rong.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2010, 05:15:14 AM
Scarsick is very special to me, an amazing, amazing album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 11, 2010, 05:55:29 AM
I eagerly await RS2, especially considering the reworking they are doing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 06:22:29 AM
I'm also waiting and very interested. I just had this idea that since RS1 is called Ivory and RS2 is supposed to be called Ebony, I hope RS2 will be darker, more serious, and possibly heavier, which would most likely solve my main and only real problem with RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 11, 2010, 06:24:07 AM
They are? I thought it was going to be like RS, what are they doing to it(wasn't it recorded like 5 years ago)?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 11, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
I'm also waiting and very interested. I just had this idea that since RS1 is called Ivory and RS2 is supposed to be called Ebony, I hope RS2 will be darker, more serious, and possibly heavier, which would most likely solve my main and only real problem with RS1.

Daniel has said the two albums will still sound like songs that belong together as a whole.  They are just reworking parts of it, not changing most of the songs or the album's general sound. 

Also, you don't have to like it, but I can't help but feel most people here are missing the point of Enter Rain.  No one ever said it was the most creative thing that Daniel has ever written, or the most "epic";  it's the simplicity of the song and the buildup that makes it so great to me, even if it was probably the easiest PoS song to write, I find it one of the very most effective.  The Perfect Element was complex and metaphoric, but Scarsick was direct and simple (and in my opinion, effective), take it or leave it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 11, 2010, 02:56:07 PM
If RS2 is like RS1, I won't be disappointed.

Scarsick and RS1 are both 4 out of 5 star records for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on December 11, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 11, 2010, 09:58:07 PM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there

Thank you.  Our minority is few in number but strong in heart. 

Go Scarsick!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 12, 2010, 05:55:44 AM
Criiiiiiiibcaged
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on December 13, 2010, 04:00:11 AM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there

Thank you.  Our minority is few in number but strong in heart. 

Go Scarsick!

Scarsick is the best them!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on December 13, 2010, 10:48:34 AM
Scarsick is great I love Disco Queen and Enter Rain and Cribcaged and Spitfall... Fuck it. The whole album is great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 20, 2010, 01:56:11 PM
https://top2010.roadrunnerrecords.com/2010/mikael-akerfeldt/

Mikael Akerfeldt seemed to like Road Salt a lot. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
Now this is something I wouldn't expect.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on December 20, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
Why not? Steven Wilson said he liked it a lot as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
I don't know... just knowing Mikael I find it kind of surprising. The same way I would be very surprised if Daniel liked Watershed for example.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 20, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
qRoad Salt One and Scarsick are great albums. America is a fun song along with Disco Queen. Sleeping Under The Stars is pretty cool and would be fun if they could pull it off live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 20, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
I don't know... just knowing Mikael I find it kind of surprising. The same way I would be very surprised if Daniel liked Watershed for example.

mmm... I've heard the two are good friends with a mutual respect for each other's music.  I think I read somewhere that Daniel liked Opeth as well as Mikael like Pain of Salvation. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 03:54:22 PM
Interesting, wasn't aware of it. All I remember there was an interview where he was asked about Swedish extreme metal like Opeth and Meshuggah, and he said something like technical metal doesn't fascinate him because he can figure out the rhythm quite easily, and said nothing about Opeth altogether. I've always understood it as basically "meh", but then I guess I misunderstood it. Mikael on the other hand was asked about them in Metal Hammer here and he just said they asked PoS once to tour with them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fnejk on December 21, 2010, 02:17:48 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2010, 02:54:33 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 21, 2010, 06:59:26 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

It's always in my top 3. And I mean always.

Top 3 would bounce between The Perfect Element, Beyond The Pale and A Trace of Blood
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 21, 2010, 10:51:51 AM
No

Definitely this.  It's probably not even a top ten for me.  It's good, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on December 21, 2010, 12:41:39 PM
Just dropped in to say that The Perfect Element is > all other pos songs  ;)

FTFY
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on December 21, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)
Agreed
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:16:41 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.

It's better than Fandango and A Trace of Blood.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:20:05 PM
No. Fandango is amazing because of how unusual it is. It's a song that seems to me like it's ripping most rock/metal traditions to shreds and resulting in something totally unusual in terms of... basically everything. And it's amazingly catchy in the process. A Trace of Blood on the other hand... well, the emotion in the song is just incredible. I needed time to appreciate it, but when I did, it's competing even with Undertow. And the last words of the song... I can't even describe the feeling.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
No. Fandango is amazing because of how unusual it is. It's a song that seems to me like it's ripping most rock/metal traditions to shreds and resulting in something totally unusual in terms of... basically everything. And it's amazingly catchy in the process. A Trace of Blood on the other hand... well, the emotion in the song is just incredible. I needed time to appreciate it, but when I did, it's competing even with Undertow. And the last words of the song... I can't even describe the feeling.

The chorus to Fandango just ruins it for me. It just loses any sense of groove when it forces an odd time signature for no reason.



Granted the chorus to BTP isn't amazing either, but it's far from the annoyingness that is the Fandango chorus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
You mean the "all his/her life..." chorus? It's actually my favourite part of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:25:57 PM
You mean the "all his/her life..." chorus? It's actually my favourite part of the song.

huh? No, I mean the "Live that you might find the answers...." part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Ah, right. Actually, either would work as chorus. :P I also like it because of how unexpected it is. It just appears out of nowhere, while also not being out of place.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Ah, right. Actually, either would work as chorus. :P I also like it because of how unexpected it is. It just appears out of nowhere, while also not being out of place.

The time signature is out of place. It sounds weird and not in a good way. It seems like it should have been 4/4 but was forced into an odd time for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 21, 2010, 05:43:35 PM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.

True, the drums just emphasize the time signature though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 21, 2010, 11:55:31 PM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.

Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 22, 2010, 12:08:13 AM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
I mean, I totally get what you're talking about.  Every time I hear that chorus I think to myself: "such a strange rhythm" -- but it's never bothered me.  I've always thought it was cool.  However, I could see something like that taking you out of the song in a way, which I'm guessing is what happens for you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2010, 12:41:18 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.

It's better than Fandango and A Trace of Blood.

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 22, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
I mean, I totally get what you're talking about.  Every time I hear that chorus I think to myself: "such a strange rhythm" -- but it's never bothered me.  I've always thought it was cool.  However, I could see something like that taking you out of the song in a way, which I'm guessing is what happens for you.

I'm pretty undecided on that chorus, sometimes I really like it, other times it just annoys me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on December 22, 2010, 06:41:46 AM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.

True, the drums just emphasize the time signature though.
Actually, the entire song, including that section, is in 5/4, that doesn't change. It's the underlying rhytm that comes out a bit weird, what with the bass drum that always seems to be ahead of everything else.

And yes, that song is awesome and one of the most original things I've ever heard. I wish DG would still write songs like that...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 11:57:11 AM
Was listening to lots of PoS today, I can't decide which is better - BE or TPE1. But hey, rankings ahoy:

BE / TPE1
Scarsick (yup, above RL)
RL
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 12:03:46 PM
Was listening to lots of PoS today, I can't decide which is better - BE or TPE1. But hey, rankings ahoy:

BE / TPE1
Scarsick (yup, above RL)
RL
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL

That's about exactly as I would do it.  Except drop TPE down to 3rd.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Scarsick above TPE1?

Ooo, you rebel :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on December 23, 2010, 12:14:04 PM
BE
Road Salt One
Entropia
TPE
RL
Scarsick
OHBTCL

There's mine...a little different to a lot of peoples  :D
Really, really looking forward to RS2
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on December 23, 2010, 12:16:26 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt One
Scarsick

I've grown to love all of their album, though :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 12:21:40 PM
I think Iter Impius might be my favourite PoS song, I can't stop listening to it.

Daniel shines so much, the guitar solo is to die for, and the lyrics as the culmination/realisation of mr money in the concept is just so brilliant. Oh and the ending.

Iter Impius > Used > Enter Rain > others
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
I don't understand why Iter Impius always overshadows Martius/Nauticus II when it should be the other way around. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 23, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 23, 2010, 01:28:48 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt One
Scarsick

I've grown to love all of their album, though :)

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 05:25:10 PM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One

The hell is wrnog wuih you?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 06:00:34 PM
1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
3. Road Salt One
4. BE
5. Entropia
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 06:16:30 PM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 23, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
1. Remedy Lane
This man knows his shit!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?

I love BE.

BE and Scarsick are the best. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 24, 2010, 12:29:14 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?

I love BE.

BE are the best. 

You have poor grammar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 24, 2010, 12:42:04 AM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One

The hell is wrnog wuih you?!
Many things, I'd imagine, but none related to this ranking.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on December 24, 2010, 03:15:42 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
BE is ze best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 24, 2010, 06:34:32 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
BE is ze best.

Yay for BE  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 24, 2010, 07:27:16 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 24, 2010, 11:12:17 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on December 24, 2010, 11:37:37 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Wuts dat? is dat sum kind of indian food?






:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 25, 2010, 05:57:16 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Wuts dat? is dat sum kind of indian food?






:neverusethis:

Deus and Iter are what disney is about....nah jk....its about matterhorn

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on December 25, 2010, 05:58:34 AM
TPE
Be
RL
Entropia
Scarsick
RS1
OHBTCL

yup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on December 25, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
1. Scarsick
2. BE
3. Road Salt One
4. Entropia
5. Remedy Lane
6. The Perfect Element
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

But I love them all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 25, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
Since we're doing it again...

1. TPE
2. RL
3. OHBTCL
4. Entropia
5. BE
...
6. Scarsick
7. RS1

Entropia and BE are swapping places every now and then, depending on how strong Iter and Nihil Morari hit me at the time I'm listening to them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 07, 2011, 01:00:01 AM
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs766.snc4/66649_1595916348536_1554800148_1503207_3661572_n.jpg)

Yes, they actually sold this T-shirt at the Road Salt One tour. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on January 07, 2011, 01:03:45 AM
 :lol


Also, quick albums ranking

1. BE
2. Remedy Lane/The Perfect Element
4. Road Salt One
5. Scarsick
6. Entropia
7. OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on January 07, 2011, 01:09:11 AM
I WANT THAT FUCKING SHIRT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 07, 2011, 01:10:33 AM
By the way, one thing I don't understand...

They've apparantly made two more videos beside Linoleum, but why does it never get released?? There are several images on Daniel's Facebook page, with comments like "Soon on a computer near you" and the like. What happened?

I guess I'll just have to do with sexy Daniel pics... :'(

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1178.snc4/155064_1660595965486_1554800148_1617042_5195447_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36706_1453889397951_1554800148_1147721_1234918_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs133.snc4/36972_1453152059518_1554800148_1145823_4014820_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs244.snc1/9134_1219861307395_1554800148_579205_944806_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 07, 2011, 03:15:01 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 07, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
Yea, the one with the blood is for Where it Hurts. Don't know why it hasn't been released.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on January 07, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
One Hour
BE
Road Salt
Entropia
Scarsick

BE is a great album, but it's not very high in my rankings because TPE1, RL and OHBTCL are better, IMO.

Iter Impius, however...  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Scarsick > Remedy Lane = The Perfect Element > Entropia = One Hour By the Concrete Lake >>>>>>>>>> BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 07, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
BE >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Perfect Element > One Hour by the Concrete Lake > Entropia > Remedy Lane > Road Salt One > Scarsick

I'm not saying that their discog besides BE sucks, I'm saying that BE is so godly that nothing else can compare.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 07, 2011, 09:16:08 PM
Every other page of a Pain of Salvation thread here is album rankings.



BE = Scarsick > TPE > Entropia > RSO > RL > OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2011, 09:50:27 PM
Can we stop ranking?

We have naked gildenlow here!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 07, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
That's old news




But one thing is obvious.  Daniel shaves  :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 07, 2011, 10:09:18 PM
:|
Sweet merciful Jeebus...

If there was anything that would make me not listen to music.... that post is it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on January 08, 2011, 01:00:44 AM
That's old news




But one thing is obvious.  Daniel shaves  :omg:

I don't find that surprising for some reason.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2011, 04:32:01 AM
Dunno if everybody has seen this, but I was just surfing youtube and found a great quality live clip of People Passing By from Progpower.  Good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKR88kBgUaA
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 08, 2011, 07:11:12 AM
^Awesome song. One of the best closing solos ever. DT-esque.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 08, 2011, 09:22:35 AM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on January 08, 2011, 09:35:11 AM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

Pain of Salvation's, yes. That's one of their best songs, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2011, 05:34:58 PM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

The whole song especially the last 6 minutes is one of the greatest things ever!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
For me the most amazing part of King of Loss is the "Is this all I am?" part. It's just... incredible. Also the chorus. And the solo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Best part of that album? That moment from 00:01 of Used to the very last second of TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
FOR EVERY TIME YOU FROZE ME OUT
EVERY PUNCH, EVERY SHOUT
FOR NOT BELIEVING IN ME
FOR YOUR STUPIDITY
FOR STEALING WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :hefdaddy  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 08, 2011, 06:30:44 PM
My personal favorite part is on Reconciliation when Daniel just keeps going higher and higher. There's a similar section in Used that I adore as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 06:37:15 PM
FOR SOME CHANGES TIME PASSES BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Falling far beyond the point of no return
Nothing to become, and nothing left to burn...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:42:07 PM
GIMME GIMME GIMME YO LOVE AFTAH MIDNI---


Wait, nvm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 06:43:58 PM
._.

[actually I've just come to a weird conclusion it's not that far away from RS1 lyrics :p]
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Shoulda been a hidden bonus track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 08, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

Absolutely agree.

That specific part (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RApsO2AWwZY) is the best piece of music i've ever heard.

Ever. And with how consistant the whole album is, I doubt it will ever be surpassed. PoS are truly one of a kind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 08, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
Iter Impius is one of the best songs ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2011, 09:49:55 PM
Iter Impius is one of the best songs ever.

Live Version > Studio Version.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 08, 2011, 09:53:19 PM
Thorn Clown is probably a top ten for me, and most haven't even heard it.  It's really, really freaking good!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 09, 2011, 05:03:24 AM
I want Daniel as friend on facebook but he has too many requests :(.

Also, Linoleum (the song) is a great way to introduce people to PoS. It might not be really representative,  but everybody seems to love the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 09, 2011, 09:00:56 AM
I love Daniel's scream soooooooooo much
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 11, 2011, 04:11:00 AM
Hadn't listened to Road Salt in months. Put it on again yesterday and am addicted to it again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2011, 04:12:30 AM
I want Daniel as friend on facebook but he has too many requests :(.

Also, Linoleum (the song) is a great way to introduce people to PoS. It might not be really representative,  but everybody seems to love the song.

Easily one of their best songs IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 11, 2011, 04:56:10 AM
I love Daniel's scream soooooooooo much
Waking Every God and Idioglossia. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 11, 2011, 05:21:38 AM
Makes me wonder what he sounds like in the sack. :lol

Me and my girlfriend have both made a "free card list", basically people we're allowed to fuck should the oppoturnity arise. Mostly famous persons. :P Daniel tops both of our lists.

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on January 11, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
FOR SOME CHANGES TIME PASSES BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


I've love this part of TPE.  All the tension builds throughout the album, and then releases with this line  :metal

One of many reasons The Perfect Element Pt. 1 is my favorite album of all time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 11, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
Makes me wonder what he sounds like in the sack. :lol

Me and my girlfriend have both made a "free card list", basically people we're allowed to fuck should the oppoturnity arise. Mostly famous persons. :P Daniel tops both of our lists.

 :metal
:lol epic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 03:32:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 




(And it's not Nights in White Satin  :D )
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 11, 2011, 05:47:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 




If only he were as good a drummer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
no u
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 11, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
no u

If only I were as good a drummer? That would be cool too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
Yeah.  I was only trying to point out how much I like your singing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on January 12, 2011, 01:29:41 AM
A great part by PoS is also the "I set myself on fire" near the end of TPE  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 12, 2011, 05:52:03 AM
My favorite parts would be the second verse(In his head a thunderous...), and the way DG shouts "THIS IS THE END!!!"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 12, 2011, 07:06:48 AM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 12, 2011, 07:41:32 AM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.
Indeed. Also, the intro to The Perfect Element is one of the greatest intros IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 12:03:38 PM
THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN FUAAAAAOOOCK HER LIKE I CAN


OH NO


YOUR SIMPLY




NOT THAT KIND OF MAN





 :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on January 22, 2011, 12:04:51 PM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.

Nah, it's a pretty poor closer; Beyond the Pale is waayyy better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on January 22, 2011, 01:34:44 PM
Agreed with Sigz. BTP is the greatest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
The Perfect Element (song) is full of stronger melodies and emotions than Beyond the Pale, it just fails to tie them all together correctly.  Which is why I hold those two about equal.


However, Enter Rain holds up perfectly on both the strong melodies/emotions and tying it all together, so it is, in my humble opinion, the best them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 22, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 


(And it's not Nights in White Satin  :D )

Wow, that's pretty damn good. Presumably Daniel took over on drums there?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
Yeah, Daniel drums.


Speaking of which, has anyone else heard Tip Toe Two?  It's a demo from Road Salt in sort of a raw jazz rock style.  Daniel is drumming, and the drums are really freaking impressive. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 22, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN FUAAAAAOOOCK HER LIKE I CAN


OH NO


YOUR SIMPLY




NOT THAT KIND OF MAN





 :metal  :metal  :metal

That extended version of the song is much worse than the normal one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 22, 2011, 07:10:57 PM
I'm going to pretend you meant "better".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Yeah, the way Daniel sings "Fuuooaack" contradicts PC's statement completely.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 22, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
God fucking dammit, PC.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 22, 2011, 07:47:46 PM
Seriously. The original song is awesome. The extended one just drags on... I'm glad they went with the normal one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 22, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
I prefer the extended one. Awesome song, especially when combined with 'What she means to me'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 23, 2011, 02:50:45 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 23, 2011, 03:08:49 AM
I agree with everything Voxyn just said. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 23, 2011, 07:08:21 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 23, 2011, 09:15:30 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.
I listened to the standard version once. It was my first listen of the album. After I got my hands on the extended songs, I fell in love with the album. There probably isn't much of a connection, but I do know that the extended versions are the songs that clicked with me, and the standard versions just seem short now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 09:20:25 AM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 10:27:43 AM
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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 23, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

Pretty much this if the profanity isn't necessary here then there's no way it is necessary anywhere else, so there is no reason to even talk about some necessarity... But I agree that who likes what version probably depends the most on what version did you listen multiple times enough during getting into album period

Wait a minute i just listened to the normal version after some months right now and I realised that the verses are not the only thing that misses. They cut off half from the first soft section with just piano and vocals. And that section is one of my favorite moments from the album and from the POS overall so this made the normal version pretty much worthless for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on January 24, 2011, 10:56:34 AM
Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jsem on January 25, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
Listening to Be. Going to have to follow up on listening to all POS albums... Imago is epic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on January 25, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

The drum solo in No Way is awesome. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on January 25, 2011, 07:29:09 PM
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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 26, 2011, 06:34:04 AM
Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.
I realized this too. Of the Two Beginnings is surprisingly good as an opener and a song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 26, 2011, 12:52:24 PM
Oh yeah, especially when the A Trace of Blood melody comes in. It's a perfect opening song.


And also when the Beyond the Pale bit comes on...sort of, it's a variation I think. These are all just observations.

Here's what I mean from the two:

And there's nothing that we'd rather shaaare
---
In the morning she's going awaaaay
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 26, 2011, 02:44:28 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 


Even Scarsick had some subtle ones. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 26, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 
Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 26, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 
Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.

That's a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you think?  I mean, 1,7,6 is not an uncommon progression.  However, it is possible. 

I meant more in specific melodies being repeated, such as the ones Sonata mentioned, the Imago one that shows up in BE, the drum pattern that repeats itself several times in Scarsick, etc. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 26, 2011, 04:15:04 PM
Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: skydivingninja on January 27, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
According to wiki, RS1 is a concept album.

Anyways, inspired by Sigz's top albums list, I'm going to attempt to pick up on what makes PoS so adored.  Remedy Lane is all right to me, with a few standouts, but a few clunkers as well.  I was going to try The Perfect Element, but found RS1 first.  After hearing "Linoleum," which I didn't like, and "Road Salt," which I thought was better, I figured, "maybe the album is better than that song."  Well, I've started my first listen of RS1, and "No Way" kicked in, and I was getting the feeling that the whole album would be full of this mediocre throwback classic/garage rock that not even an interesting atmospheric passage could save.  I'm on "Of Dust" right now.  This one and the last two songs have been a vast improvement, especially "Sisters."  It seems really easy to get lost in that song. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Sisters is incredible, one of my favourite PoS songs.

And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 03:53:04 PM
SDN, Road Salt isn't exactly a starters album for PoS.  It's great, but The Perfect Element would be a better album to get into them.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 27, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

I think what SDN is trying to get at is that he is one of those misinformed few who define "concept album" as anything with a theme.

But let's not let any of that shit go down in here.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 27, 2011, 03:59:01 PM
Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.

I'm not 100% sure if they're 100% identical, but it sounds like the Sisters melody is also in the middle or ending or whatever of Where it Hurts. The "everyone I know seems to be broken" part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
It's the same chord progression.  But it's a very common progression so it could likely be a coincidence. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 27, 2011, 04:01:09 PM
They're not terribly similar, but it's the same fender rhodes sound and it definitely makes you think back to Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 27, 2011, 04:16:24 PM
Got the deluxe edition of RS1 finally. I love the intro song, it leads in really nicely.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: skydivingninja on January 27, 2011, 04:18:28 PM
And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

I think what SDN is trying to get at is that he is one of those misinformed few who define "concept album" as anything with a theme.

But let's not let any of that shit go down in here.

I don't know what the concept of Road Salt 1 is just from listening to the album once, but I think albums that share a central theme like Dark Side of the Moon can be considered concept albums.  Albums with a narrative can be called concept albums or rock operas as well, they don't need dialogue to be called the latter.  My disagreement with the "official forum definitions" is well-known to the one person that gives a fuck (spoilers, its me).  

ANYways, RS1 has got some good stuff on it, but every time they try and go for a more retro sound, it doesn't work.  "Innocence," "Sisters," and "Road Salt" are some early favorites from this album right now.  I'll listen again, but this time I won't let Fair to Midland make me dizzy with amazement before I do.

DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2011, 04:23:10 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 27, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me. 
Yeah, TPE1 completely turned me off of Pain of Salvation the first time I heard it. I re-visisted about 2 months later and couldn't understand what the dividing line was between it and me.

It's honestly one of the most beautifully frail albums I've ever heard. Every second is packed with so much emotion, and it's probably one of the few albums that has songs that really choke me up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 04:38:06 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.
 

 
I don't think it's the BEST one to get into, but if not that than what?  Considering that he has already heard Remedy Lane.  I mean, BE and Scarsick are definitely much harder to get into, and the first two albums might present a turn off in the form of the production and what-not. 

TPE was the second album I really got into with them.

There are some pretty instantly likable songs.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 27, 2011, 06:20:54 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.

For the first point, I agree. It's not a starting place.

For the second point, I'm pretty sure Daniel defines it as a concept record, as he defines all their albums as such (I think, I'm not sure about Road Salt, but I know he's said Scarsick is). However, I've never really 'gotten' the concept of any PoS albums aside from Be and Remedy Lane, so who knows. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
I will try to find the interview where Daniel confirms Road Salt isn't a concept album.  He says the songs only "vibrate on the same frequency."  Kind of like a Porcupine Tree album, I guess.


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 27, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Finding out what's so amazing about POS is a long trip. Don't expect to find out any time soon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 06:39:14 PM
A really crappy and distracting interview, with background music and everything, but Daniel goes into great depth about the structure and concept.  So, as I said earlier, the album follows no story.  The songs are all separate stories that are meant to connect and relate to each other, or "vibrate on the same frequency."



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY0npuCRuJE&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 28, 2011, 03:41:02 AM
For the second point, I'm pretty sure Daniel defines it as a concept record, as he defines all their albums as such (I think, I'm not sure about Road Salt, but I know he's said Scarsick is). However, I've never really 'gotten' the concept of any PoS albums aside from Be and Remedy Lane, so who knows. 
Yeah Scarsick was one, as with all their other albums pre-RS1 (except possibly Entropia? I've never really known what that album is about :lol).

But yeah RS1 doesn't have any narrative. Thanks for finding that link dtismajesty, I knew I remembered him saying something about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 28, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Finding out what's so amazing about POS is a long trip. Don't expect to find out any time soon.

This. I heard RL and TPE1 5+ times each before I got into them properly.

But now....DAMN THEY'RE GOOD.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 28, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
Perhaps starting with Entropia? It's quite a good album and carries with them many unique traits as well with sounds that mix ease and complexity regarding the ability to obtain comfort and understanding.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 28, 2011, 07:26:55 PM
I dunno.  Entropia was the last album of theirs that I got into.  It was the iffy production and the fact that it possessed less catchy melodies.

I don't understand why the Perfect Element would be anywhere near the hardest to get into.  Songs like In the Flesh, Morning on Earth, and Song for the Innocent are so instantly likable, and the other, more dense tracks came around quickly. 

But then again, my opinions don't really match others.  The album that clicked for me first is Scarsick and that one is my favorite, which I know isn't the normal PoS fan choice.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 28, 2011, 07:30:29 PM
I had listened to Remedy Lane and Scarsick, liked Remedy Lane a fair bit. When I got TPE and heard Used for the first time, that was it.

Unrelated, listening to RS1 again. What an awesome album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 28, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
Yeah, where is RS2 damn it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 28, 2011, 07:44:09 PM
Seriously, I'm so close to downloading the Linoleum EP just so I can hear some damned material from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 29, 2011, 12:18:05 AM
I always forget about the existence of Linoleum.  Gone is such an awesome song, too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 29, 2011, 12:35:10 PM
I'm not going to listen to Linoleum EP until I will see tracklist for RS2 then I will listen to the songs that are not going to be on RS2 if there are going to be any
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2011, 05:43:12 PM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 29, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.
I disagree. But it is good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 29, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
Gone is my favorite on Linoleum, that is one hell of a song. 


If You Wait is also amazing.  I consider it almost an obvious homage to Jeff Buckley.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 29, 2011, 06:55:11 PM
Yeah Gone is probably my favourite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 30, 2011, 02:32:44 AM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.

I didn't hear any of them except for Linoleum of course I want to have full new experience from RS2 I'm sure that at least one of those three songs is going to be on that album... And if they are so great it's even bigger motivation for me cause I want to feel that greatness in whole album. But I think that at least the tracklist for RS2 should be released very soon didn't Daniel want it to be realesed in early 2011 in his last update?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 02:54:14 AM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.

I didn't hear any of them except for Linoleum of course I want to have full new experience from RS2 I'm sure that at least one of those three songs is going to be on that album... And if they are so great it's even bigger motivation for me cause I want to feel that greatness in whole album. But I think that at least the tracklist for RS2 should be released very soon didn't Daniel want it to be realesed in early 2011 in his last update?

Yeah, it was already postponed from Oct/Nov last year and we are still waiting.  If the other Linoleum songs will be on RS2, I think I will like that one more.  Nevertheless, we want RS2!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 AM
Oh yes I am very much looking forward to RS2. There are a few songs on RS1 that aren't my favorite, but I really do like that album a lot.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 03:05:09 AM
Yeah, I guess Gone is a highlight from the EP, I was just always amazed with Mortar Grind and never seemed to look past it.  I love the Heaven and Hell riff in Gone.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 30, 2011, 03:09:28 AM
I thought the EP was pretty weak so I'm really glad they're retooling things for RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 30, 2011, 09:10:18 AM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 30, 2011, 09:15:23 AM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.

Conditioned is an awesome song.  If anything, it should at least stay a part of their live set. 

Speaking of songs that would be awesome live, Curiosity!  Why don't they play it?  It would be such an energetic and awesome live song!


One more thing, no matter how much Gone is one of my favorite all time Pain of Salvation songs, I hope for the rest of the Linoleum songs to stay off of Road Salt Two.  Linoleum's presence on Road Salt One was awkward and quite honestly a waste of valuable track space.  And that was with only about a one year gap.  Including songs in an album without change that have already been released two years ago?  No thanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.

Conditioned is an awesome song.  If anything, it should at least stay a part of their live set. 

Speaking of songs that would be awesome live, Curiosity!  Why don't they play it?  It would be such an energetic and awesome live song!


One more thing, no matter how much Gone is one of my favorite all time Pain of Salvation songs, I hope for the rest of the Linoleum songs to stay off of Road Salt Two.  Linoleum's presence on Road Salt One was awkward and quite honestly a waste of valuable track space.  And that was with only about a one year gap.  Including songs in an album without change that have already been released two years ago?  No thanks.

As much as I'd love to see Mortar Grind on a full length album, I have to agree with you I think.  They have left it too long now to put those songs on an upcoming release, it needs to all be new material now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 30, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 30, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.

Well the whole point is that we had already heard it on the EP a year ago, and it seems strange being on the album a year later without a single change.  So I guess not hearing the EP saved Linoleum for you.


I listened the HELL out of that EP, and when RS1 came out it made me always want to skip the track since it was the only "old" song on there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 30, 2011, 02:18:20 PM
I would have the same, if it weren't one of the most awesome tracks ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 30, 2011, 04:27:52 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.

Well the whole point is that we had already heard it on the EP a year ago, and it seems strange being on the album a year later without a single change.  So I guess not hearing the EP saved Linoleum for you.


I listened the HELL out of that EP, and when RS1 came out it made me always want to skip the track since it was the only "old" song on there.

Yeah the same thing happend for me with Constant Motion during SC release time, the song was awesome I totally overplayed it and it ruined the song at the context of the album when the album was finally released... I learnt from that and since that I have never listened to anything like that and never will until I hear the whole album. This is the reason why I really disliked the idea of Linoleum EP when it was announced it was just something that I will have to resist to listen to and I didn't even know at that time that it will go for this long because of RS2!

So even though I know it won't happen I really hope all three songs on Linoleum will be included on RS2 so I don't have to buy that EP :biggrin:

BTW I can confirm that including Linoleum on RS1 is great if you didn't hear that song before...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on February 01, 2011, 11:52:02 AM
Got TPE on, currently on King of Loss....tuuuuuuune!  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 01, 2011, 08:57:26 PM
Pain of Salvation should cover Supper's Ready. I've been imagining this for months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: dethklok09 on February 01, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
recently got into this band (lolimanoob), what are some recomendations.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 01, 2011, 10:05:04 PM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 01, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
lol

Iter Impius is the best, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 01, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
Thorn Clown is the best  :hat


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on February 01, 2011, 10:11:36 PM
I don't think I could pick a best, they have so many great songs that are all quite lovely.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: dethklok09 on February 01, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
thank you adami I know wherever I am I can always count on such a swell guy such as you. :)
I think I may check out every song now from begining to end because they are so lovely :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 02, 2011, 02:51:22 AM
I'd consider Pain of Salvation songs to be a lot of things.

"Lovely" though? Seriously?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 02, 2011, 04:49:57 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2011, 05:12:46 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 02, 2011, 06:22:54 AM
The amount of emotion put into that song is almost equivalent to an entire album of theirs aside from TPE. True fax.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 02, 2011, 09:55:22 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 

I find the most emotional Pain of Salvation songs to be the ones with less abstract and more personal lyrics.  Such as a Trace of Blood, where you know what Daniel is singing about and you really feel what he was going through there.  Or Dedication.  That's another one.  And Thorn Clown. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 02, 2011, 09:59:12 AM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
lol

Iter Impius is the best, though.
I am not kidding.

It's so very catchy, unique, and just plain balls-out strange. I like that they tried something THIS different and actually ended up making a good song. I could listen to this song over and over again. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 03:46:14 AM
Disco Queen is fantastic, I'd go as far as putting it in my top 15, maybe even 10.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 03, 2011, 05:03:50 AM
I find the most emotional Pain of Salvation songs to be the ones with less abstract and more personal lyrics.  Such as a Trace of Blood, where you know what Daniel is singing about and you really feel what he was going through there.  Or Dedication.  That's another one.  And Thorn Clown. 
A Trace of Blood. It came as a completely different song when I read up on the lyrics and the back story.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 05:19:21 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 03, 2011, 05:46:31 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Yeah, the chorus is not that great. The rest of the song is pretty much amazing, but even without the chorus it wouldn't be their best song. I'm not really sure what I'd consider their best song, but it's probably off of Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: FlashCE on February 03, 2011, 07:29:46 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.

This.

"Sisters" is second best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on February 03, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
I find the chorus of TPE to be quite brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 03, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Yeah, the chorus is not that great. The rest of the song is pretty much amazing, but even without the chorus it wouldn't be their best song. I'm not really sure what I'd consider their best song, but it's probably off of Remedy Lane.
All of this.

Oh, and Beyond the Pale is the best them
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on February 03, 2011, 12:47:47 PM
I don't understand the resentment against the chorus.
I personally think the chorus is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 02:31:50 PM
So they are apparently in the early filming stages for a documentary... “If Has to Bleed a Little”  It's going to feature tour footage and recording footage and some other cool things.


To be honest I would probably only really take an interest if there was also live content.  I've been itching for some new live Pain of Salvation content recently.

Also, remember that video of Where It Hurts with the bloody sex scene?  That should hopefully be out in a few weeks at most.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 02:34:40 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol


Well since it's a tour documentary I assume there will be plenty other members footage, and it wouldn't be Pain of Salvation without a shirtless Johan in multiple scenes.

Also, on the normal track of a Pain of Salvation release, we won't see the dvd for a good 4 years at least. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 02:41:45 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol


Well since it's a tour documentary I assume there will be plenty other members footage, and it wouldn't be Pain of Salvation without a shirtless Johan in multiple scenes.

Also, on the normal track of a Pain of Salvation release, we won't see the dvd for a good 4 years at least. 

I guess we should concentrate on RS2 first.  :lol

Also, listening to Remedy Lane again now.  What a damn fucking fine album.  This band is musical perfection.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 03, 2011, 03:19:41 PM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
Yeah, that's my problem. When I first heard the song, the intro and first verse really led me to believe I was in for a really intense song, but the rest of the song disappointed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on February 03, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
From Daniel's faceboooook: Would LOVE to come to Argentina - actually working on it for June, keep your fingers crossed!

Road Salt Two news will follow the coming week or two :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 03, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
ABOUT FUCKING TIME.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 03, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
beyond the pale > tpe (the song)

debate closed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on February 03, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
Enter Rain > beyond the pale > tpe (the song)

debate closed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 04:09:45 PM
To rank all of their closers from best to worst: (I count Martius/Nauticus II and Plains of Dawn as the real closers to their respective albums)

Enter Rain
Martius/Nauticus II
Beyond the Pale
Innocence
Plains of Dawn
The Perfect Element
Inside Out


Every closer they've done is amazing, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 04:12:48 PM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Plains of Dawn
3. Beyond the Pale
4. Enter Rain
5. Martius/Nauticus II
6. Innocence
7. Inside Out

IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 04:29:58 PM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Crow on February 03, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
TPE
Beyond The Pale
Enter Rain
Plains of Dawn
Inside Out
Martius/Nauticus II
Innocence

all great songs of course.
Also Idioglossia is the best Pain of Salvation song
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 04:52:50 PM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 03, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
enter rain has to be my least fav closer; i would say its not even close, but i'm not the biggest fan of innocence either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on February 03, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
Plains of Dawn sure is awesome! :metal One of the tracks that stood out to me when I got my first PoS-record Entropia.

Anyway...
(https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs783.ash1/167373_143822502345543_100001533819603_259503_2407261_n.jpg)

EDIT: DANIEL GILDENLÖW IS DREAM THEATER'S NEW DRUMMER! :eek
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on February 04, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
AWESOME PIC!!!


but seriously you guys.
Nightmist is the most underrated POS song
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 04, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
Naw, Nightmist gets enough attention.



The true underrated Pain of Salvation song is Thorn Clown.  It's a top 10, maybe top 5 song for me, and most fans haven't even heard it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 04, 2011, 05:43:32 PM

youre tempting me to go all out and order a japanese import.

though my hopes are low after purchasing the OHBTCL with two bonus tracks this past summer...the additional songs were underwhelming.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 05, 2011, 04:19:24 AM
Some underrated POS songs IMO;

Waking Every God
Reconciliation
King of Loss
Home
Mortar Grind
Spitfall
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 06:14:03 AM
King of Loss
wat

The rest I agree with, but that song seems extremely popular.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on February 05, 2011, 06:37:12 AM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 07:25:01 AM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Yes. Pure eargasm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 05, 2011, 08:16:07 AM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

The song is near perfect until the pasted on ending.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 08:17:09 AM
Yeah, the ending is alright in itself, but it comes out of nowhere. It would be one of my favourite ever songs if it weren't for that. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 05, 2011, 08:27:26 AM
Water is pretty underrated too.  It has their best guitar solo.

AND WEEEEEEEEEEE FLUSH!




Also, every song except for the three popular ones on Scarsick are very underrated. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 05, 2011, 08:39:56 AM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

The song is near perfect until the pasted on ending.

That ending is my favorite part of the song :lol I love the whole song though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 05, 2011, 02:55:48 PM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Yes. Pure eargasm.

the solo that follows aint none too shabby, neither.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 05, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
the end of plains of dawn is pasted on!?!?  ???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 05, 2011, 10:52:01 PM
the end of plains of dawn is pasted on!?!?  ???

Yeah. If the song faded out at like 5:30 it'd be amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 05, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
I disagree. It's amazing! There's Epilogue for you anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 05, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
Behooold, my son   :heart

The ending doesn't really flow to the rest of the song at all.  I mean, it's "good" on it's own, but it doesn't match up at all. 




You know what else is criminally underrated?  Dedication!  Top three song for me, maybe my favorite.  I love how the subtle rage suddenly creeps in and then fades out again. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 05, 2011, 11:43:55 PM
OMG DEDICATION.

Actually, I love all the ballads in TPE. Morning on Earth, Dedication, and Song for the Innocent. Especially the latter is SO FUCKING GOOD. That instrumental part is just one of the most emotional piece of music I've heard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on February 06, 2011, 01:30:58 AM

You know what else is criminally underrated?  Dedication!  Top three song for me, maybe my favorite.  I love how the subtle rage suddenly creeps in and then fades out again. 

Really?? It's an ok song but it is certainly a low point on TPE. I mean, it's between Idioglassia, Her Voices and King of loss! Now THOSE are amazing songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 06, 2011, 03:46:42 AM
King of Loss
wat

The rest I agree with, but that song seems extremely popular.

I knew this one people would disagree.  It is talked about, but that and Dedication IMO are the best songs on the album and I just feel people talk about In the Flesh, Idioglossia etc more.

The las 4 minutes of King of Loss is possibly the best piece of music ever!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 06, 2011, 06:01:51 AM
Dedication went for me from being just average song maybe the worst on TPE to being awesome song and top 3 TPE song. I love especially the part after "That you should be gone", it gives me chills, amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 06, 2011, 06:04:05 AM
TPE is just amazing throughout, but I'm still partial to Reconciliation. I love the reprise of the Morning On Earth melody, and Daniel's high notes after the bridge are insane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on February 06, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Dedication is fantastic. That whole album is fantastic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 06, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
King of Loss

What? I find that song OVERrated.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 06, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
King of Loss

What? I find that song OVERrated.


(https://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339298107/please-explain_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 06, 2011, 12:15:35 PM
Does it need an explanation? :P I just don't like it as much as other people. I really like the first verse and the choruses, but the rest of the song isn't near as good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on February 06, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
I only like the end of King of Loss.

Kingdom of Loss is far better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
after spinning remedy lane repeatedly for the better part of a decade, i just finally listened to thorn clown for the first time!...

1st impression...very cool intro, not sure how sold i was on the vox...but already sure i like it more than the OHBTCL bonus tracks
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 06, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
More than Beyond the Mirror? I like it better than Thorn Clown.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
i think so. i might have been over anxious earlier. to be fair, i feel i owe beyond the mirror and timeweaver's tale a few more listens.

just re-listened to thorn clown...im thinking it sounds more like a OHBTCL track than something belonging to RL.
(oh, and two more listens, and i'm sure i'll be praising the vox)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 07, 2011, 02:43:48 AM
i think so. i might have been over anxious earlier. to be fair, i feel i owe beyond the mirror and timeweaver's tale a few more listens.

just re-listened to thorn clown...im thinking it sounds more like a OHBTCL track than something belonging to RL.
(oh, and two more listens, and i'm sure i'll be praising the vox)

That's probably because Thorn Clown and Second Love were written in 1987 and 1988
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on February 07, 2011, 02:45:53 AM
Second Love :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 03:27:38 AM
Second Love is an amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 07, 2011, 03:34:05 AM
True, but it's nowhere near the songs right before and after it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on February 07, 2011, 03:35:06 AM
Cool clip of Daniel playing Oblivion Ocean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBIupHPCTA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBIupHPCTA&feature=related)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 07, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
Why did Frederik not come on this last tour?   :sad:

I've been a bit worried about his participation becoming less and less from an already minimal starting point in Pain of Salvation in recent years.  I love his playing too much for that, and I'm worried he might not stay.   :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 07, 2011, 01:27:44 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.


Thank you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 07, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
Second Love is a mediocre song.
FTFM
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on February 07, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.


Thank you.
So, so good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on February 07, 2011, 04:04:56 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.
Thank you.
So, so good.

PROPS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.
Thank you.
So, so good.

PROPS

Yep, it's true, I never understand the bashing it gets, it's fantastic.  That solo is pure bliss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 07, 2011, 05:17:16 PM
Second Love is one of the few, maybe the only Pain of Salvation song where I can say that I don't like the lyrics.  The music is nice enough, but the cliche words do nothing for me.  I've no problem with the music to it, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
You have to remember that Daniel wrote that when he was, like, thirteen. I think it's very artful that the  song comes from a very real place and fits perfectly with the concept.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
I just love the calming, smooth atmosphere of the song, great stuff.  The lyrics are a bit cliche, but for the type of song, it fits fine.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2011, 03:26:19 AM
Just listening to another underrated one, Oblivion Ocean.  Damn, this song is amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 08, 2011, 07:11:51 AM
I concur, Second Love is wonderful and Oblivion Ocean is really good as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 08, 2011, 08:05:44 AM
Just listening to another underrated one, Oblivion Ocean.  Damn, this song is amazing!
This. Oblivion Ocean is awesome  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Dynia on February 08, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Oblivion Ocean and Winning a War are songs that got me into PoS. Fantastic songs. Entropia is a great album, still one of their best. I probably like TPE and Be more, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 08, 2011, 09:48:36 AM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2011, 01:44:35 PM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!

Never noticed that one, have to listen to them again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 08, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
I found yesterday that the drum beat in Disco Queen starting at 0:44 of Disco Queen is the exact same pattern as the intro to idiacracy, except twice as slow.  That drum rhythm is also the same in the chorus of the title track. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 08, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!

Never noticed that one, have to listen to them again.

It's the last time he says that line in Second Love.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
There's a ton of little things on Remedy Lane. Here's a few that I've found.

The riff after the chorus of Chain Sling, with Daniel's percussive vocals. First off, that same section is reprised in Beyond the Pale, with lyrics. Also, one thing that I think a lot of people miss, is that the melody of the riff has the exact same rhythm of the talking at the end of Beyond the Pale "We, will always be, so much more hu-man than, we wish to be."

Also, I can't help but laugh that the last word spoken on the album is the title of their next album. ZOMG THEY'RE CONNECTED.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 01:56:54 AM
Been listening to One Hour the last couple of days, man this really is an amazing album, very underrated.   :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Riceloft on February 09, 2011, 06:14:49 AM
Everything from "BE" and before is pure genius.  Scarsick is damn good, just not quite at the same level.  I *love* the Linoleum EP, but can't stand Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 01:33:54 PM
Listening to BE right now, damn piece of art!! 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 09, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
I like how Daniel does a vocal solo in Beyond the Mirror.  All of their bonus tracks are so freaking good!




I might write down a top 25 someday, I'd like to try to decide on my favorites by Pain of Salvation, tis a ridiculously hard task!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
A top 25 - 50 POS list would be epic.  It would be interesting to see everyones opinions and how much they vary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 10, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Lilium Cruentus

Just throwing that out there, so no one forgets it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 10, 2011, 09:18:56 AM
Hereafter has to be the best demo cut I've ever heard.  I was wondering if the rest of you have heard it.  I really like to hear the raw and unpolished version of Pain of Salvation, and plus you get Timeweaver's Tale!   :heart


Also, the solo Daniel plays at about 4:10 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPRdY4-CLM is just about the greatest solo ever.  I like it even better than the studio solo, and that says a lot!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on February 10, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
Why did Frederik not come on this last tour?   :sad:

I've been a bit worried about his participation becoming less and less from an already minimal starting point in Pain of Salvation in recent years.  I love his playing too much for that, and I'm worried he might not stay.   :'(

I'm puzzled as to why he doesn't contribute much. The guy has a master's degree in classical and jazz, so he should be (at least nearly) as technically able as Jordan Rudess, for example. He's a pretty damn good composer too, seeing how he composed Iter Impius.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Dynia on February 10, 2011, 11:29:48 AM
I love BE. It's an amazing listening expirience. I think it's the best them. I especially love Pluvius Aestivus and Lilium Cruentus.
They should have named the songs rather different, though. I have to check the titles every time I want to write about any of the songs from this album :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
Hereafter has to be the best demo cut I've ever heard.  I was wondering if the rest of you have heard it.  I really like to hear the raw and unpolished version of Pain of Salvation, and plus you get Timeweaver's Tale!   :heart

No  haven't heard these songs.  I'd easily buy a POS rarities cd with all the bonus tracks and demos.  I'd pay a lot of money for that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 12, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 12, 2011, 05:36:12 PM
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
I just made of POS compilation cd.  I never really wanted to do this, as I feel every album deserves to be listened to in it's entirety but thought I'd give it a go.  I have left out most of the epics just to fit more songs on the cd.  I'll put it in the car later and see how it flows.  Tracklist;

1. ! (Forward)
2. Ashes
3. Lilium Cruentus
4. Used
5. Linoleum
6. Reconciliation
7. A Trace of Blood
8. Oblivion Ocean
9. Waking Every God
10. Inside
11. Home
12. Chain Sling
13. Inter Impius
14. Undertow
15. Cribcaged

With some editing and necessary fade in and outs to make the songs flow better the running time comes to 79:59.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 20, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
Random fun thought from seeing the Be dvd:


I wonder if Daniel had some sort of disagreement with the tuba player, and therefore made every effort to not show him at all.  The guy only visible once, and barely so in a quick wide shot.  Also, lots of closer shots are given to people who are very close to him as far as the stage position.  I didn't even know he was there until the fifth viewing.  There must be a reason.  Possibly even a conspiracy. 




/overanalysis
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on February 20, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
The tuba player was a Republican.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on February 20, 2011, 06:01:37 PM
The tuba player was a Republican.
Maybe he refused to be finger-printed for the concert.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 20, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
He probably told Daniel he had ugly teeth. 



I can't remember where, but Daniel specifically called out someonewho had told him on Facebook that he had ugly teeth.  This was in the middle of an interview during a completely unrelated question.  It was pretty funny, actually
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 20, 2011, 10:27:31 PM
I've never got the fuss about The Perfect Element (song). It seems it keeps building in tension only to go into something completely average every time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 20, 2011, 11:41:02 PM
I've never got the fuss about The Perfect Element (song). It seems it keeps building in tension only to go into something completely average every time.
Yep. The chorus sucks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 21, 2011, 01:16:16 AM
BUT THE BRIDGE SECTION OMG
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 03:11:12 AM
My appreciation for The Perfect Element (song) has grown lately.  At first it was one of the weakest on the album, but lately it's really clicking with me, amazing buildup and tension and IMO, the chorus works really well, not the most effective when contrasted with the verses but magical nevertheless.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on February 21, 2011, 06:12:59 AM
My appreciation for The Perfect Element (song) has grown lately.  At first it was one of the weakest on the album, but lately it's really clicking with me, amazing buildup and tension and IMO, the chorus works really well, not the most effective when contrasted with the verses but magical nevertheless.

It's always been a Top 5 for me.

Sometimes even #1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Agrapha on February 21, 2011, 06:57:07 AM
I wonder if Daniel had some sort of disagreement with the tuba player, and therefore made every effort to not show him at all.  The guy only visible once, and barely so in a quick wide shot.  Also, lots of closer shots are given to people who are very close to him as far as the stage position.  I didn't even know he was there until the fifth viewing.  There must be a reason.  Possibly even a conspiracy. 

I could swear this was addressed in the commentary somewhere, but it's been a couple of years now. I think maybe it was just the way they had the cameras arranged.

Also, The Perfect Element's chorus was a little underwhelming on the first few listens, for me at least. It's my second favourite PoS song now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 08:32:42 AM
Something about the chorus in the Perfect Element just bugs me immensely.  Overall, the song feels like 4 amazing separate songs glued together in a way that doesn't fit.  It lacks the focus of, say, Enter Rain.

Since we're doing all of this Perfect Element judging...

1.  Dedication
2.  King of Loss
3.  Idioglossia
4.  In the Flesh
5.  Her Voices (this is mostly top 2 material, but something about that "Never forgive" part just doesn't do it for me. 
6.  Morning on Earth
7.  The Perfect Element
8.  Reconciliation
9.  Ashes
10.  Used (though it makes for an awesome live song, I often find myself starting the album with In the Flesh instead. 


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 21, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
whatwhatWHAAT? Used is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 21, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
Woo, TPE ranking. Should be interesting.

1. Falling/The Perfect Element
2. Idioglossia
3. Song for the Innocent
4. In the Flesh
5. Ashes
6. Morning on Earth
7. Used
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Reconciliation
11. Her Voices
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 08:55:48 AM
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Her Voices

 >:(   ...I don't even...





whatwhatWHAAT? Used is awesome.

I don't like how it sounds in the studio.  And I never cared for the chorus at all.  Underwhelming. 
Plus, DG sounds like Geoff Tate in the bridge.  And I never cared for Geoff Tate.  Annoying. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 21, 2011, 08:59:41 AM
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Her Voices

 >:(   ...I don't even...


Don't worry, it's not like I don't like them or they're bad. They're still way beyond the point of awesome, but I still had to rank all the songs so yeah.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 21, 2011, 09:49:09 AM
1. Idioglossia
2. In the Flesh
3. Morning on Earth
4. King of Loss
5. Used
6. Her Voices
7. Ashes
8. Falling/The Perfect Element
9. Song for the Innocent
10. Dedication
11. Reconciliation
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 21, 2011, 04:13:06 PM
idioglossia would be a perfect song - if they chopped some of the ending.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 04:16:11 PM
All the lack of love for Dedication here is making me one fucking pissed off panda. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
1. King of Loss
2. Reconciliation
3. In The Flesh
4. Idioglossia
5. Used
6. Falling/Perfect Element
7. Her Voices
8. Ashes
9. Song For the Innocent
10. Morning On Earth
11. Dedication
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Eh tu, Wolfking? 




It's the greatest ballad ever.  I love how it progresses from a feeling of melancholy and then brings in subtle hints of rage until the explosion of anger in the bridge, which is quickly masked again by the melancholy before, while still retaining that hint of anger. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
Eh tu, Wolfking? 

wut?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 21, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
 :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart

Idioglossia
Reconciliation
Dedication
Her Voices
Morning on Earth

 :heart :heart :heart :heart

In the Flesh
Used
King of Loss

 :heart :heart :heart

everything else
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 07:29:43 PM
Woohoo I like rankings

Kingdom of Loss
Enter Rain
Ms. Modern Mother Mary
Disco Queen
Flame to the Moth
Spitfall
Cribcaged
America
Idiocracy
Scarsick


Also, Scarsick is a top two Pain of Salvation album.  Haters gonna hate. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
bump

So, with the recent Road Salt Two updates, it looks like the album release date is probably going to be pushed back much further than what was originally planned, (surprise) because it is apparently far from finished.  I'm optimistic that it will get out before 2012, but we're probably looking at somewhere around early Summer for a release date at least.  Bummer.  Also, at least two, possibly three of the songs from Linoleum are going to end up on Road Salt Two.  Double bummer. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 05, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
bump

So, with the recent Road Salt Two updates, it looks like the album release date is probably going to be pushed back much further than what was originally planned, (surprise) because it is apparently far from finished.  I'm optimistic that it will get out before 2012, but we're probably looking at somewhere around early Summer for a release date at least.  Bummer.  Also, at least two, possibly three of the songs from Linoleum are going to end up on Road Salt Two.  Double bummer. 

What the hell? What are they doing with their time? :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 07:32:24 PM
Well, they are working on a dvd and they have been doing a decent amount of touring.  (for example, the India tour)

But I can't help but think that every little thing they add such as that will just take away from Road Salt Two's value when it does come out.  I mean, two albums that were meant to go together might not mesh so well once there is over a full year's gap between them.  In my honest opinion, Road Salt Two or not, I really just want them to close this chapter soon and see where they decide to go next with their music.

Not to mention that now, it seems maybe a good quarter of the album will be songs that they have already released TWO YEARS AGO.  So we get to look forward to three quarters of a new Pain of Salvation album.  Lovely.  And, of course, I would be cool with all of this if they would just fucking come to America. 

That fake tour last year was the cruelest April fools joke ever played. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 05, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Fake tour?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 08:02:13 PM
I guess you missed it.  They posted a bunch of North American tour dates up on their website March 31st last year.  And, (I'm convinced this was done to get at me specifically) just to rub it in my face they had one that was just a 45 minute drive from my house.  It was later revealed as an April Fools joke.  The bastards. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
What are these two recent RS2 updates of which you speak?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
Facebook.  First off, the release date was posted as "later than you expect" and along with the fact that they are obviously not even decided on tracks let alone near finished recording, I'd say it's unlikely that it comes out any sooner than April, assuming that there are no more delays.  (which would be a very naive assumption) 

About the songs, to use his words...

"has re-recorded parts of Mortar Grind and remixed it entirely for Road Salt Two."

and



"Well, the sound and the feel of the original version of Mortar Grind stands out too much from the nature of the Road Salt universe. It is now more dry, close and rugged - it has a meaner bite :)

If You Wait is one of my all-time favorite POS songs by the way. Destined for RS2.

Gone is still hanging in the balance, depends on how it works with the rest of the album I'd say..."

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 05, 2011, 08:35:34 PM
no sooner than april is right...my guess is august...or later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 05, 2011, 08:43:11 PM
anybody know a place to buy The Perfect Element CD for a normal price that isn't eBay? as in, an actual record label store or something? it seems to be out of print, according to the POS webshop and Insideout.

just got Remedy Lane in the mail the other day. love the art; definitely suits the album sound better than the art for TPE, imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 05, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
Dunno about record stores in your location, but you can always try Amazon. It's legit, it's safe and it works.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 05, 2011, 11:53:04 PM
Anway, back to perfect element rankings:

1. Idioglassia
2. Used
3. In the flesh
4. Her Voices
5. Morning on earth
6. King of loss
7. Reconciliation
8. The perfect element
9. Ashes
10. Song for the innocent
11. Dedication
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Ashes
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 06, 2011, 12:33:21 AM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Used
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element

Poor Ashes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2011, 12:59:36 AM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Used
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element

Poor Ashes.

Hehe, thanks I fixed it. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 06, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
anybody know a place to buy The Perfect Element CD for a normal price that isn't eBay? as in, an actual record label store or something? it seems to be out of print, according to the POS webshop and Insideout.
It's a bitch to find. I still haven't tracked one down for a decent price yet.

Ebay is the only place I've seen it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2011, 10:32:29 PM
just got Remedy Lane in the mail the other day. love the art; definitely suits the album sound better than the art for TPE, imo.

https://www.cdwow.us/CD/pain-of-salvation-perfect-element-part-1/dp/17758327#bc=8111

I use CDWOW.  It is excellent.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on March 07, 2011, 02:56:32 AM
Nice :D two or three Linoleum songs on RS2, I'm really happy that it wasn't worthless that I resisted listening to Linoleum at all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 07, 2011, 05:42:53 AM
So it's 2012 before RS2 will be released?

That's very disappointing if true.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 07, 2011, 06:09:21 AM
Very, very disappointing that they drag it out so much. One double album, reduced to two albums and one EP dragged out over two and a half years. Road Salt One wasn't bad, but I want the next chapter!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 07, 2011, 01:45:16 PM
Disappointing stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 12:36:34 AM
From Daniel's blog (one of 'em...):

"Alright, I have remixed Gone and added some expansion to The Deeper Cut. Remains to see if I’ll rework If You Wait or not…"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2011, 12:55:31 AM
I didn't hear anything wrong with Gone or If You Wait, or even Mortar Grind from the EP. I actually liked all of those way more than Linolium. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on March 09, 2011, 02:40:14 AM
Very, very disappointing that they drag it out so much. One double album, reduced to two albums and one EP dragged out over two and a half years. Road Salt One wasn't bad, but I want the next chapter!

It is kind of disappointing given what we were expecting, but if you put it like this it's actually not that bad. 2 albums and an EP in 3 years. Plently of bands do much worse than that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 02:42:38 AM
I do see where you're coming from. But in my mind, they have played out this playful, 70ths type of sound/look by now. They should move on to new territories.

Also, WHAT THE FUCK happened to the video Daniel said were almost finished several months ago? I'm sorry, PoS is a great band with many great albums. But I don't feel like they take particular good care of their fans. Maybe I'm spoiled by DT, but having screenshots from a video, telling the fans it's almost finished and then never mention it again is just stupid.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 03:56:37 AM
Is that the one with him covered in blood?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 04:06:39 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 09, 2011, 04:09:42 AM
I'm assuming that it's going to become another "Ending Theme" for no particular reason.  


Or the label finally realized that this whole video was bound to fail and was a waste of money from a financial standpoint.  
Still, if Daniel has it, what the hell is he waiting for to release it?  


Or it could be personal reasons, of course. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:14:15 AM
I think Lynxo's point was, no matter what they decide to do with it, the fans should be updated.  If Daniel has decided not to release it, the fans should be told straight up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 04:15:31 AM
Exactly. It isn't the first time I've felt a lack of communcation with the fans from Daniel. Which is strange, considering the ridicoulus amounts of blogs he has...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 09, 2011, 04:49:12 AM
I don't see the big deal, if they release it, great; if not, oh well, there's so much other stuff going on in the world of music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:51:16 AM
I don't see the big deal, if they release it, great; if not, oh well, there's so much other stuff going on in the world of music.

True, I couldn't care less if I never see it, but we should at least know what might happen with it.

Anyway, I just heard a couple of POS bonus tracks.  Time Weaver's Tale is fucking amazing!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
From Daniel's Facebook page:

"The last week I have re-recorded parts of Mortar Grind and remixed the song from scratch to fit Road Salt Two. I have also remixed Gone. I like what I hear! :)

To those who have requested the insane: No, I will most definitely not extend If You Wait, that would be an utter offense to the song's very nature!

Yes, Road Salt Two WILL be in a mean, close and painfully dry 70s-on-steroids style like Road Salt One, maybe a bit darker but it's hard to tell for sure until it's all done.

Where It Hurts video released globally within the next 2 weeks!

Album will be all done (mix, mastering, artwork) in mid-May, release in September, tour in Oct/Nov/Dec (dates are being booked right now).

Some additional exclusive show dates are secretly being planned for spring and early summer, I'll keep you posted regarding this.

:)

Hugs,
Daniel"

:D Just as we were talking about that video. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
That's.....umm.....shit......freaky......I'm scared!  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 09, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
that's this September, right?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 09, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
Good to know that he hasn't abandoned Where it Hurts, but SHIT!  That's a looong wait for Road Salt Two.  Assuming that it isn't postponed, which it most likely will be. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:32:31 PM
Yeah, hopefully we get it before 2012.  It's six months overdue already.  :lol

I'm looking forward to it being darker too.  I'm happy with the 70's style, but I hope Daniel gets this out of his system.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 09, 2011, 08:37:37 PM
These days I revisited the good parts of BE, namely Iter Impius and Of Summer Rain (don't remember the latin name). Sooooooooooo good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 11:05:28 PM
These days I revisited the good parts of BE, namely Iter Impius and Of Summer Rain (don't remember the latin name). Sooooooooooo good.

I visit the good parts of BE all the time.  It starts from the Animae Partus and goes all the way through to Animae Partus II.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 09, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
It's six months overdue already.  :lol

Six months? Remember when it was supposed to be a double album release? And even then, RS1 was greatly delayed. This album has been on the shelf for ages.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2011, 03:31:26 AM
Shit, I never knew it was suppose to be a double album.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 10, 2011, 10:43:25 AM
September..kind of funny how Road Salt or whatever other title they were going to call it, was potentially going to be released the fall of 2009, lol.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 12, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Ok. I'm just copying this from another forum, but..




Next week, Tuesday and Friday, Daniel will attend the morning show "Efter tio" on TV4 to talk crap and play music. The theme is apparently arachnophobia. Oh, well.

For the Swedish-impaired who still want to simply look at the man, possibly covered in spiders, hopefully not playing Road Salt for the millionth time, you will be able to catch it online at www.tv4play.se

The exact address and a transcript will be provided once the shows have been uploaded.



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 12, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
Is RS2 this September, or next?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Crow on March 12, 2011, 10:39:55 PM
Okay, so I'm trying to find a write-up detailing the points on BE's concept. I remember seeing one somewhere before but can't find it, if anyone can be of assistance it'd be appreciated.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 12, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
https://www.painofsalvation.com/be/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 13, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
blasphemy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
i love that one can hear kristoff on them first two albums. somehow the bass didnt get turned up again til daniel played it on scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
i love that one can hear kristoff on them first two albums. somehow the bass didnt get turned up again til daniel played it on scarsick.

I can hear quite a bit of bass on anything Kristoff played on. He's more present on the first two albums, but he's there on everything else.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
true. the mix isnt bad at all on the 3rd thru 5th albums. but i love that extra 'pop' the bass had before TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 13, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
That album is pretty fucking amazing actually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 13, 2011, 07:58:17 PM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
That album is pretty fucking amazing actually.

Yep, fucking extremelly amazing!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 13, 2011, 08:48:12 PM
It's alright. There's not much wrong with it, and the sound is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Crow on March 13, 2011, 09:13:25 PM
Terribly sound quality, wonderful songs. A shame really. I'd listen to it more if it didn't have such bad sound quality.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 13, 2011, 09:25:19 PM
I guess it doesn't bother me much as I'm not really uptight about sound quality.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 13, 2011, 10:03:06 PM
I'm going to say that I actually like the production.  The drum kit is thin, but besides that, it's a pretty good production.  The guitar tones are perfect;  especially the distorted ones.  Aggressive, but not too imposing. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on March 14, 2011, 08:11:16 AM
Road Salt's gotten even more awesome since the last time I listened to it  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
I'm going to say that I actually like the production.  The drum kit is thin, but besides that, it's a pretty good production.  The guitar tones are perfect;  especially the distorted ones.  Aggressive, but not too imposing. 

For me it's mostly the kick drums. The guitars don't sound too bad and the vocals and bass and keys are lovely. But the kick drums are pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 14, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
Yeah, I can agree with that.  They kind of sound like someone tapping their fingers on plastic.  Regardless, for an underground metal band with a very limited amount of options back then I think that it is very good.  I only have an issue with the production if the band has lots of money and I know they could do better.  And, as I said, I actually like the mix.  And the material is very strong, as well.  If anything, it's their best guitar album for sure. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 14, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on March 14, 2011, 02:15:25 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 14, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.

No, I used it correctly.  Quite often, one precedes the statement by "Let me address the elephant in the room.." or some other variant.  It's used to imply that other people are ignoring it.

But the keyboards are kinda shit.  It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 14, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on March 15, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.

No, I used it correctly.  Quite often, one precedes the statement by "Let me address the elephant in the room.." or some other variant.  It's used to imply that other people are ignoring it.

But the keyboards are kinda shit.  It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.

Ah, didn't know that. My bad  :yarr
I don't know, they sound a little dated, and the only use of vibraphone I can recall off the top of my head is Ashes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 18, 2011, 12:22:58 AM
https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/efter_tio?title=daniel_gildenlow_-_road_salt&videoid=1394701

I'm kind of getting tired of Road Salt being performed, but this is a nice one.  Much better than the Melodifestivalen performance. 


Also, apparently a short clip of Where it Hurts was aired, but my Sweidsh-impaired self is unable to find it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 18, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
I think the first Melodifestivalen performance of Road Salt is my favorite version of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 18, 2011, 01:34:41 AM
I find it hard to judge, I guess, because the whole Melodifestivalen atmosphere felt so wrong for a song like Road Salt to be performed in, while the dark, quiet, simple room here is much more suited.  Anything's better than the studio version, though.  It didn't really come out quite right on the album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on March 18, 2011, 04:56:47 AM
Why is Omni so good?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 18, 2011, 07:36:21 AM
https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/efter_tio?title=daniel_gildenlow_-_road_salt&videoid=1394701

I'm kind of getting tired of Road Salt being performed, but this is a nice one.  Much better than the Melodifestivalen performance. 


Also, apparently a short clip of Where it Hurts was aired, but my Sweidsh-impaired self is unable to find it. 

Probably my favourite performance of Road Salt that was.  I saw that Daniel posted it on his facebook but it wouldn't let me load it.  So thanks for posting, worked this time.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 28, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
Well the Where it Hurts video shouldn't be far off now I hope.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 29, 2011, 04:47:26 PM
Posted on facebook:
Quote
The video for "Where It Hurts" will be released on YouTube at 3 pm tomorrow (Wednesday 30th of March). It might get banned though, so don't wait too long!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 04:50:54 PM
Oh good. More naked Daniel in fake blood.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 29, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
Why the hell would they not just post it somewhere where it won't get taken down and then link to it? 

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Because they(he) are(is) controversial and edgy and provocative.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 29, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
u got beef abydos
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 29, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
Because they(he) are(is) controversial and edgy and provocative.

So I guess the most controversial, edgy, and provocative music video would be one that people can't even see. 

Your logic is flawless. 


Really, they could just try their luck at youtube and then put it somewhere else too.  I really don't want this to be another Ending Theme. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
Nah, i'm just fooling around. Not flawless, but not 100% wrong - it will be put on youtube, then it will be removed. They are far too hardcore for the mainstream :D
I honestly can't wait to watch it, everything promo-related that has come out of this guy in the last couple of years has been hilarious.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:21:57 AM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:33:57 AM
Definitely fucked up, but extremely captivating.  DG is certainly one creative and interesting individual.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
That's apparently a real, live, pumping heart.

Wheter they took it from an animal or just went on a killing spree around the neighbourhood is not yet clear.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 30, 2011, 05:43:31 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 05:44:09 AM
It's an animal heart, according to the inside of Road Salt one.  I think it's a deer heart or something, I forget.




Also, that was amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:44:26 AM
Fuck!  That makes it even more fucked up.  Interesting that you need the link to see the video, wasn't aware youtube had such a feature.  I searched for it and it didn't show up.  Also, I'm subscribed to InsideOut and it's not in my subscriptions either.  

Tell me Lynxo, how did you get the link?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 05:47:21 AM
They made it unlisted to minimize the chance of it getting removed right after it's put up on youtube. 


I still don't understand why they wouldn't just put it on a site without restrictions on nudity... it makes no sense whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:49:26 AM
They made it unlisted to minimize the chance of it getting removed right after it's put up on youtube. 


I still don't understand why they wouldn't just put it on a site without restrictions on nudity... it makes no sense whatsoever. 

yeah, I thought that, it's fine if it stays there, but I guess it still with get removed sooner or later.  They should just host it on their website for everyone to download in .mpg or .avi format.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:57:42 AM
Fuck!  That makes it even more fucked up.  Interesting that you need the link to see the video, wasn't aware youtube had such a feature.  I searched for it and it didn't show up.  Also, I'm subscribed to InsideOut and it's not in my subscriptions either.  

Tell me Lynxo, how did you get the link?
DG himself said on Facebook it would be available on https://www.youtube.com/insideout so I just went there and search through all their PoS videos. I think it's up earlier than what DG thought, he said on Facebook it would be avaliable in a hour or something.

EDIT: Also, I agree it's weird they don't have it for downloading somewhere, after all the work they put into making it. I mean, they sure took a hell of a time finishing it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2011, 07:48:54 AM
So yeah, more naked, bloody Gildenlow. Meh. Is that his wife, though?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
No, it's a model. Which makes it even more disturbing if you ask me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
You guys are surprisingly easy to disturb.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 30, 2011, 08:31:34 AM
Gildenlöw's ass!

*cross off another thing on my "things to see before I die" list*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on March 30, 2011, 08:57:12 AM
I did not enjoy that. But I didn't expect to.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 30, 2011, 11:07:44 AM
So yeah, more naked, bloody Gildenlow.

Um, is this not the first of it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 30, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
Dammit, the vid is gone before I had a chance to see it.

Wtf, can't they just upload it to their website?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
No, it's a model. Which makes it even more disturbing if you ask me.


Well, not really.  So, because it's an attractive female it's more disturbing?  Of course it's not Daniel's wife.... she's an... er... wife.  As opposed to this actor who is used to taking her clothes off.  I find it much less disturbing. 




Also, Daniel made some Facebook comment about how his wife was always in complete understanding of his artistic vision, vaguely saying that she wouldn't be bothered by it. 



Anyway, there it goes.  It's gone.  Shame, too, because I really want to see it again.  I hope someone captured it and it surfaces up... this is really the worst financial I've ever seen in my life if they invest all of that time and money into a video for it to only be up for a few hours.  What the hell is the point. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 30, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
I managed to download it before it got taken down.  Don't know the laws and stuff on this but would I be able to host this somewhere for people to watch without getting in trouble etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGt1uBQv4Rc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGt1uBQv4Rc) Censored version.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 30, 2011, 04:57:23 PM
^Please do so. I would like to see the uncensored version.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 30, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 30, 2011, 05:48:44 PM
It was very well made, but I didn't really care for the concept.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 31, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 31, 2011, 03:02:59 AM
It was very well made, but I didn't really care for the concept.

I'd agree with that. I'm not really sure what was happening to be an honest, I Just saw a lot of boobs, blood and Gildenlow's ass. All of which were pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 03:30:38 AM
Gildenlow's ass. All of which were pretty awesome.

 :|
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 31, 2011, 03:32:09 AM
 :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 12:56:59 PM
1. Posting of media containing or links to pornography and explicit nudity is not allowed. This includes site names, broken URLS, and "hints" to the site names.

Lynxo and faemir, consider this a warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
1. Posting of media containing or links to pornography and explicit nudity is not allowed. This includes site names, broken URLS, and "hints" to the site names.

Lynxo and faemir, consider this a warning.

Really? So a total of about 15 seconds footage of a pair of tits is considered 'explicit nudity' now?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
Tits and fast, non-erotic cuts in low lighting qualifies as pornography these days

didn't ya know
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
America fuck yea
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
Hey don't blame it on america


Nick probably just turned into an old catholic nun for a minute that's all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 02:31:09 PM
Tits and fast, non-erotic cuts in low lighting qualifies as pornography these days

didn't ya know
No it counts as explicit nudity. And always has done here, tits have NEVER been allowed so why would it suddenly change now?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.  But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
Artistic nudity counts in that?

Does that extend to, like, photos of Veus de Milo?


I mean, tits are tits, right
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 02:43:01 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.
Indeed, which is why they weren't given a temp ban and were only warned.

Quote
But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Bingo.

(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/forum%20stuff/therules.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
Artistic nudity counts in that?

Does that extend to, like, photos of Veus de Milo?


I mean, tits are tits, right

And really, who doesn't want to see tits right?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.
Indeed, which is why they weren't given a temp ban and were only warned.

Quote
But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Bingo.

Damn, I'm a smart cookie! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
I like tits  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:56:56 PM
I like tits  :(

I LOVE tits!!!  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 02:59:02 PM
It's so silly that tits are considered nudity (not on the forum, I mean. Rules are rules, just in general). But yes, who doesn't love them? Even my gay friends do :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 03:02:14 PM
The thing is, it's perfectly okay to see a woman in the skimpiest bikini, but once you see some nipple, it's off limits.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 03:04:54 PM
And this is why censorship (well this isn't true censorship I guess but I'm trying to be a sensationalist here) is so weird because just saying the word "tits" can conjure the image of tits in your mind, so what's the difference between seeing them and hearing the word? Everyone knows what they look like and they're not a throbbing sexual organ so I don't see why people get all huffy about them.

I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 03:06:37 PM
oh no not nipples those things everyone has whatever will we do :'(

On topic nipples:
(https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/membre_groupe/photo/Johan_Hallgren-14584.jpg)

I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.

Yeah, again, I'm not aiming this at the mods, it's just silly in general :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:11:13 PM
I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.

In a few months you will grow up and be repulsed by the sight of them. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on March 31, 2011, 03:14:34 PM
I just don't think it has to be so black and white and why something like a music video can't be an exception. I suppose it's just more convenient to ban all nudity as opposed to looking through every single post and considering whether it's truly breaking the rules or not. Oh well. Just google the uncensored version and I'm sure you'll find it. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:31:48 PM
Basically it comes down to this: The video includes not just nudity but also sex. Regardless of the artististry or whatever, it would still be 18-rated (or whatever the equivalent is in the US) and therefore we cannot allow it on here because we have 13 year olds. It's as simple as that.

Now please get back on topic. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Can't you just ban all the 13-year olds?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:34:57 PM
Now please get back on topic. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 03:36:18 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol

Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 03:38:33 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol

Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.

Haaa I'm 19  :P I can watch it  :P But yes BE is amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on March 31, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
As much as I was defending the tits a few posts back, I think it's too much. Seems like it's trying too hard to be edgy and whatnot. Daniel posted that he expected it to be taken off Youtube, so why even go through the hassle? It seems he's trying to cause a stir about censorship or something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
13 year olds?  Never! 

Anyway, I can understand the rule.  Maybe a little "sexual content" thing that hides the link and warns that one must be 18 or older to view?


Also, Scarsick is the best album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
I'm 24, I love some fine looking tits, and BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 03:44:19 PM
As much as I was defending the tits a few posts back, I think it's too much. Seems like it's trying too hard to be edgy and whatnot. Daniel posted that he expected it to be taken off Youtube, so why even go through the hassle? It seems he's trying to cause a stir about censorship or something.

I don't agree with this, it's purely Daniel's artistic vision and if youtube can't handle that it's their problem.  He only "expected" it to be censored so that's why he had the other video.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 03:44:56 PM
BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.
(https://myfacewhen.com/images/194.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
I love some fine looking tits

BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.

You can't like one and not the other.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol
Probably. :lol You can watch the censored version though, which is basically the full video but with the sex scenes blurred.

I've only watched the censored version, but yeah it's a cool vid. I love the artistic style.

Quote
Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.
Ohhhhh yes. One of my favourites ever. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
I myself don't like looking at tits

instead I tug my john thomas to the thought of praying before bed and going to church with blueberry pancakes in my belly and a ribbon on my hat.


also BE is not bad. not fantabulous, but not bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
Ok this is bound to lead to album rankings, and mine have changed considerably recently anyway, so...


Scarsick
BE
Entropia
Road Salt One
OHBTCL
TPE
Remedy Lane
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:58:40 PM
BE
TPE1
RS1
(12:5)
RL
Scarsick
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 03:59:30 PM
TPE
BE
RL
Scarsick
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
BE
TPE1
RS1
(12:5)
RL
Scarsick
Entropia
OHBTCL

You like 12:5 better than Scarsick?   :(



The dislike for that album baffles me, honestly.  It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 04:02:33 PM
Mine have changed since last time too.

TPE
BE
Entropia
RS1
RL
OHBTCL
Scarsick *Sorry Dtismajesty, great album, just prefer the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:04:10 PM


You like 12:5 better than Scarsick?   :(

12:5 is really an amazing and unique album.



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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:04:25 PM
I like all of them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:06:26 PM
I like all of them.

Me too. They're all quite lovely. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:06:54 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
I like all of them.

Me too. They're all quite lovely. :)
I'm glad we agree  :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 04:10:57 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  

What? It's easily their most focused :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:23:12 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  

I wouldn't call Scarsick more focused, just more simple. And musically it's far from focused; going from rap, to blues, to disco, to metal, to nu-metal, to atmospheric, to alternative, very unfocused.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 04:42:15 PM
12:5 is really an amazing and unique album.
This.

I like all of them.
And this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
BE
TPE
OHBTCL
Entropia
RL
RS1





Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:50:46 PM
I guess if we're doing ratings...

1. TPE
2. RL/BE/OHBTCL/Entropia/12:5
3. RS1
4. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:53:05 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful. 

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them. 

What? It's easily their most focused :lol

Mmmm.  I think there are a lot of things going on there that don't need to be there, and there are a few too many tracks that I don't really care for immensly (title track, Ashes) though there are also some of their best songs.  It's probably my least favorite lyrical album of theirs, to be honest.  A lot of poetic "pain" and "crying" and etc. but I've nowhere to really place it, nothing to really relate it to save a few tracks ("Dedication", my favorite on the album.)


I wouldn't call Scarsick more focused, just more simple. And musically it's far from focused; going from rap, to blues, to disco, to metal, to nu-metal, to atmospheric, to alternative, very unfocused.

Dunno, I don't find the style of the music to make a real difference, as, to me, all of the songs have a very common identity as a Scarsick song, and there are many things that are present in all of them. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
I felt like your avatar when I read that you didn't like the title track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:56:17 PM
That's what it's there for.  I may have said this before, but I feel like the title track is a collection of fantastic ideas thrown together in a way that doesn't really work. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Terrible opinions.

Bant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 05:14:52 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Terrible opinions.

Bant.
:clap:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
Yeah, but I got to him first. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 05:19:31 PM
DAMMIT NICK!

Been a while since we've had a mod-to-mod ban. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 05:35:30 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on March 31, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 08:16:17 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)

Well it's my personal absolute favorite but a lot of fans hate it for some reason. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)

I like it a lot, but it's definitely not a good place to start imo, and won't really give you a good idea of who they are. If you like it, great, if not, don't write them off, and check out Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2011, 05:21:06 AM
Scarsick is my favourite album by them too, but it was my first and really helped me through some tricky times, so it's stuck with me.  I'm totally open to people regarding it as one of their weaker albums though.  It just tickled me in the right spot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on April 01, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
Ok thanks guys, I'll give it a listen when I can find the time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2011, 05:38:22 AM
Ok thanks guys, I'll give it a listen when I can find the time.

Give it a go, but you must also try The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane, these are way more essential than Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on April 01, 2011, 05:54:45 AM
Ok, well if I see them tomorrow when I go to the store, I'll buy them and listen to them first.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 02, 2011, 06:34:30 PM
I'm listening to Entropia. Amazing stuff. After RS2, I'm really hoping for some more metal from Daniel. He does it really well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on April 12, 2011, 06:01:40 AM
Is RS2 scheduled for a release this year?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2011, 06:04:22 AM
Is RS2 scheduled for a release this year?

I think Daniel said just recently Sep/Oct this year, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 10:39:45 AM
Bumped because many of you may find this interesting. 

https://www.doscafesyunamesa.com/wp/?p=3685


 
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Head of the national project Zap comic, screenwriter Emilio Santos Baraçal is developing a comic book based on the work of the progressive metal band Pain of Salvation - and with full knowledge and approval of Gildenlöw Daniel, leader of the group.

The work, which won the title of "Entropia" is not directly inspired by the disk of the same name. "To do justice to an album I would have to rely on his help in preparing the story to make it the most accurate and how busy he is, would not guarantee that I could work on it with him. Not to make a artistic crime, I chose another path, "explains the author. The path to which he refers was to create an original story in which the protagonist, Daniel Carter, is a rockstar based Gildenlöw 100%, both visually and in personality. And his band, Zeitgest, is the version of Baraçal for Pain of Salvation. "It was sheer coincidence their physical, psychological, are very similar to what I was looking for. So I decided to use it instead as inspiration. And when you use it, I decided to use the entire band," he says.

In the story, Daniel owns a remarkable temperament, being guided by an almost utopian ideology of a better world. Everything changes when the musician is arrested for a crime he did not commit, so he has to prove his innocence. His world turns upside down. Interestingly, in the jail he finds a mysterious book. And it is this book that will make a difference, determining whether or not he can prove it was not the perpetrator.

Who is a fan of the group will find tons of references in the story, since Baraçal even uses some songs from Pain of Salvation as if they were songs from Zeitgeist. "I made a selection covering the whole discography" the PoS 'and created an album of its own. Daniel tried to authorize the use of music and lyrics and since then he has been thrilled to see how it goes all the work and has given full support possible, what hit me, moved me very much, "he confesses.

With art designer Felipe Watanabe, the first four pages are already available through the web. Fan of comics, Daniel himself Gildenlöw saw the arts and said: "I'm much cooler in the comics than in real life, but I can not wait to see the work done." Planned to have between 120 and 140 pages, the comic book "Entropia" has not forecast to be ready, but should be posted here shortly. Negotiations with potential publishers (Brazilian and foreign) should begin soon.

This is google translate's job, so it's a bit sloppy, but the point is there is going to be a comic based on Pain of Salvation called Entropia.  (It doesn't follow the story of the album, just for clarification.)

Sounds fucking cool!


(sample pages included in link)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2011, 10:53:09 AM
I can't say that sounds like a good idea. The last thing Daniel needs is more of an ego boost.


I'd rather the new album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 10:57:18 AM
I'd rather the new album.

Me too, but it's nothing but a separate project and certainly won't get in the way of the new record.


Plus, I like the two-tone art. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
POS comic book? WTF?   :lol  Of course Daniel would approve it, another ego boost.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:01:28 PM
I can't say that sounds like a good idea. The last thing Daniel needs is more of an ego boost.


I'd rather the new album.

Missed your post Adami......all of this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
I don't see how the ego boost should be a big factor.  It's just a cool artistic project, really.  Not petting Daniel's ego. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:23:51 PM
I don't see how the ego boost should be a big factor.  It's just a cool artistic project, really.  Not petting Daniel's ego. 

Someone want to make Daniel a comic book character and you don't think that would feed his ego?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 21, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
Bumped to say I've been listening to tPE all day today. :metal Big mood for it right now. Although I still can't get the title track to click for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2011, 03:50:37 PM
Bumped to say I've been listening to tPE all day today. :metal Big mood for it right now. Although I still can't get the title track to click for me.

The title track was the song that took me the longest to get into.  I only really discovered it's beauty not too long ago, keep listening, it will grow on you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 21, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
Yeahh I can understand. The first two minutes are amazing I find. Amazing amazing buildup, but unfortunately at 2:19 it goes to waste. 2:19 is like one of my least favourite moments in all music. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: njdtfan on April 21, 2011, 09:26:06 PM
Remedy would be my first choice for someone new to POS. But "Be" is in my top 3 albums ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 21, 2011, 09:53:37 PM
it was "Falling" and the title track of TPE that got me into POS years and years ago. for a while, it was the only material of theirs i listened to!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: guenhwyvarmky on April 23, 2011, 02:51:47 PM
In regards to TPE1, this is the one album that emotionally affected me above all others.  It was the right confluence of musical style(s), intensity, subject matter, and structure that was exactly what I needed to hear at that point in my life.  I even bought the Japanese import at almost twice the price because it was released a few days earlier, and the cd store I went to had a huge import section.  It was definitely a huge and cathartic help through some serious depression.  Only Learning to Live comes to close to affecting me in the same way.

That being said, listening to it now about ten years later - there are some flaws.  I still love it, but the title track goes on about a verse too long before heading into the two softer, middle sections.  I have a similar issue with King of Loss.  It almost feels as if DG had more lyrics than the song structure could contain, and chose to over-inflate the songs in a couple of places rather than edit the lyrics.

As far as DG's ego, he certainly does seem to hold a rather high opinion of himself (based on the interviews I've read).  I was fortunate enough to have a bit of an email exchange with him after OHbtCL was released.  They weren't very big at that point as their fan base grew significantly with TPE1, and it was pretty damn easy to find his address and email him.  For the duration of that exchange he was extremely pleasant and polite, even going so far as to ask my suggestions for a set list.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 07:47:51 PM
i mostly think the album's pretty perfect as is... the only thing i'd probably change is the ending of idioglossia, which needs about 4 or 8 bars chopped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
i mostly think the album's pretty perfect as is...

I completely agree.

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the only thing i'd probably change is the ending of idioglossia, which needs about 4 or 8 bars chopped.

I completely disagree. That song is the epitome of perfection, no wrong notes and it's the perfect length. Of course I think the album is flawless and Idioglossia is my favorite song ever.


:)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
im gonna spin idioglossia shortly to see how much that section irks me.

EDIT: it irks me this much *holds hands about 3 feet apart*

just get rid of 7:48-8:20, and insert the "it all comes back to you" over the bit right before the newly deleted section, and you got a perfect song, daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
I always felt Idioglossia was one of the weakest tracks on TPE, honestly.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
I always felt Idioglossia was one of the weakest tracks on TPE, honestly.

(https://www.zuguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:02:54 PM
I'd have to agree. I think it's my least favorite of the longer tracks. Despite having plenty of mindblowing sections (like the rest of the songs do), it just doesn't flow as well in my opinion. But TPE is a top ten album for me, and I still love the song :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
1. There is no 'weakest track' on TPE.

2.  :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 09:10:27 PM
Let's change the subject and stop ripping on my favorite song please? :)



Let's diss something else like Spitfall or something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
I love Spitfall.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:15:01 PM
I'll gladly diss anything from Scarsick. What a disaster.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:17:02 PM
Come at me. 



Scarsick is great. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
Scarsick is fucking awesome.  Remedy Lane is better, and lately Be and The Perfect Element have been creeping up on it, but Scarsick remains my second favorite Pain of Salvation album.

So there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:24:12 PM
Scarsick is fucking awesome.  Remedy Lane is better, and lately Be and The Perfect Element have been creeping up on it, but Scarsick remains my second favorite Pain of Salvation album.

So there.

Scarsick is my favorite Pain of Salvation album.  I can see why some people don't like it, but to me it's pretty much the perfect angry album.  Not a weak song on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:25:03 PM
MY LONG LOST BROTHER!

*embraces*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:25:47 PM
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, Scarsick is the worst thing POS has ever produced, and hopefully they never make something like it again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:27:43 PM
scarsick = how to have a kick ass album by a band that formerly played guitar solos but seemingly no longer wants to (okay, so there's one 'n a half solos, but you know what i mean).

the same could be said of thirteenth step.

the same cannot be said of st.anger.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:32:24 PM
why are solos necessary
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
shoulder shrug smiley/emoticon

they aren't. i just mentioned how POS wrote a great album sans solos.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:39:18 PM
shoulder shrug smiley/emoticon

they aren't. i just mentioned how POS wrote a great album sans solos.

POS wrote a great album with a fucking RAP SONG on it.  Crazy, right?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
Oh, I misread what you said, sorry :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:45:20 PM
crazy, sure, but only a little. the irony of the lyrics should make it less vomit-inducing, even to someone that hates rap.

but really, daniel's done a bit of what i like to call 'the daniel rap' throughout most of their albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:47:34 PM
crazy, sure, but only a little. the irony of the lyrics should make it less vomit-inducing, even to someone that hates rap.

but really, daniel's done a bit of what i like to call 'the daniel rap' throughout most of their albums.

True, but Spitfall is one big Daniel Rap, pretty much.  The song wasn't one of my favorites until I went through and read all the lyrics carefully and then it was "OH MY GOD THIS IS AWESOME."  Couldn't stop listening to it for a while.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
I don't have a problem with Daniel rap, as long as it's not through the whole fucking song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
fair enough.

i'm not exactly a rap fan, but i definitely like the song.

but even if someone can't stand spitfall, it shouldn't keep them from liking the rest of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:55:33 PM
I can't stand all of the songs on it. They're just not as good as any of the songs on any of the other POS albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
I can't stand all of the songs on it. They're just not as good as any of the songs on any of the other POS albums.

I don't even know how to respond to this.  I mean, there's no heartbreaking centerpiece song like Undertow or Oblivion Ocean or whatever, but there's still plenty of great songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
so theyre your 12 least favorite POS songs, metalhead?! trippy.

maybe my guitar solos assessment was off.

EDIT: pain of occupation doesn't know how many songs are on scarsick, apparently. idiot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 10:11:27 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 10:12:03 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.
Yup.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 10:12:18 PM
Idiocracy, Flame To The Moth and Enter Rain would like to have a word with you
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 10:15:34 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.

Not even the badass Flame to the Moth?  Or the epic Enter Rain?

Really?

I'm hurt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on April 23, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
The first half of the album is very, very creative I think

the second half of Scarsick I don't oft listen to but it's ok
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
enter rain's my least favorite off the album. the last two album closers got nothing on the likes of beyond the pale and the perfect element
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
Beyond the Pale is one of the greatest album closers of all time in my book.  Innocence was pretty good and TPE was great.  Enter Rain may be a weaker song than Innocence...I'm not really sure which one I like better.  But Enter Rain definitely works much better to close an album out than Innocence does.  It just has the right feel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 10:24:43 PM
TPE is probably my least favorite of their closers.  It's very underwhelming. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 10:25:29 PM
TPE is probably my least favorite of their closers.  It's very underwhelming. 
Yeah. As I said earlier, 2:19 is one of the worst moments in all music. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
it  seems that no song splits the fanbase as much as TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on April 23, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
The first half of the album is very, very creative I think

the second half of Scarsick I don't oft listen to but it's ok

This. It's a great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2011, 06:08:56 AM
Scarsick = Best POS album.  I am not trolling.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on April 24, 2011, 07:06:07 AM
Sure looks like you are. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on April 25, 2011, 07:50:10 AM
Road Salt One is their best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on April 25, 2011, 08:01:39 AM
I wouldn't argue much with that. Road Salt One is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 25, 2011, 08:02:27 AM
Road Salt probably comes in second or third.


I know their last 3 are my 3 favorite of theirs. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 25, 2011, 02:31:25 PM
If RS2 is as good as RS1, I'd say the combined album will beat out TPE and RL.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 25, 2011, 02:33:49 PM
I often forget that they're meant to go together, but yeah, if RS2 is as strong as RS1 then this whole Road Salt thing will be worthwhile.
It still would have been nice to take in the whole album at once, but hell, I'm fine with it if Road Salt 2 ends up kicking ass just like the first one. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
It's definitely the most underrated. In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 03, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
OHBTCL sounds the most generic of their albums to me. Doesn't have that same magic the others do, in my opinion. Gildenlow agrees with my sentiments  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
It's definitely the most underrated. In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.
Seriously?  I.... ok.

OHBTCL sounds the most generic of their albums to me. Doesn't have that same magic the others do, in my opinion. Gildenlow agrees with my sentiments  :lol
This. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 03, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
I do like some tracks though, like Inside, The Big Machine, Water, etc.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.

I definitely wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on May 03, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
IF WE EAT MORE WE'LL GET

A HANDFUL OF NOTHING
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2011, 10:15:11 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.

I definitely wouldn't go that far.
Well, it's more a result of their newer stuff just not being very good, rather than One Hour being a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 05:36:29 AM
Well guys I've just starting my musical journey with Pain Of Salvetion, I've tried that before but it not went well.... From album I should start to became a fan?  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 08, 2011, 05:47:21 AM
The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 06:00:24 AM
Starting of with The Perfect Element. First track Used is just awesome, vocals are killer :2metal:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on May 08, 2011, 06:09:28 AM
Getting used to pain!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 08, 2011, 06:17:25 AM
Starting of with The Perfect Element. First track Used is just awesome, vocals are killer :2metal:

Looks like you're getting used to pain... of salvation  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
Morning On Earth and Idioglossia, first time ever listen and seems great tunes for my ear... :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
Simply a magical album, enjoy it mate!  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 08, 2011, 08:24:46 PM
Morning on Earth doesn't get enough recognition.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 09, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on May 09, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Remedy Lane is my favourite, so you're in for a treat :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2011, 05:41:14 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)


If by Remedy you mean BE and Scarsick, sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 09, 2011, 05:58:18 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)


If by Remedy you mean BE and Scarsick, sure.
He means he's going to listen to Remedy Lane next.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 09, 2011, 06:09:09 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2011, 06:13:26 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on May 09, 2011, 08:25:18 PM
Remedy Lane is my favourite, so you're in for a treat :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 09, 2011, 10:46:12 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 09, 2011, 10:57:40 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 10, 2011, 12:44:25 AM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

He was likely lol'ing at LLTWM's ridiculous comment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2011, 02:51:05 AM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

He was likely lol'ing at LLTWM's ridiculous comment.
That.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 10, 2011, 04:56:57 AM
I listened to Scarsick after hearing RL at the recommendation of a friend. I was put off the band for a good 4 months before I got over it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 10, 2011, 05:02:23 AM
I listened to Scarsick after hearing RL at the recommendation of a friend. I was put off the band for a good 4 months before I got over it.
wow that sounds interesting  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 05:02:39 AM

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

That's what makes it so disappointing.  All the freedom haters who don't like.. no, love Scarsick.  

You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)

No, it does not suck, it is one of my favorite albums ever, and my favorite Pain of Salvation album.




It does not suck.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 10, 2011, 05:25:59 AM
Scarsick is awesome.  :heart My least favourite album by them though. But still its awesome.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)
Haha, well it's pretty well received here, but I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 10, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)

It's controversial.

Two songs have him straight out rapping the verses - but then so does Used on the perfect element 1.
There is also a disco prog metal song (yup!) and a song thats all about how gildenlow doesnt like america.

But overall I don't see how fans of their other albums can't at least like the rest of the album.

Just FYI, Scarsick is Perfect Element part 2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
Really there's nothing I hate about the album, it just does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
Lots of Pain of Salvation fans have the mindset that The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are better than every other album that they've done. 

My advice to someone getting into them would be to at least not buy into that sort of mindset immediately, considering that I wasn't sure what to think of Scarsick at first and now it's my favorite album by them to date.  It's not really a change of style as much at it is a change of mindset in Pain of Salvation.  The core elements are really still there, but presented in a different way. 

Kingdom of Loss, Flame to the Moth, and Enter Rain are also some of the greatest songs ever, by the way. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 10, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Really there's nothing I hate about the album, it just does nothing for me.

Enter Rain?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2011, 03:41:01 PM
Lots of Pain of Salvation fans have the mindset that The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are better than every other album that they've done. 

My advice to someone getting into them would be to at least not buy into that sort of mindset immediately
I really couldn't agree more. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 10, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
Yep. You'll buy into it after you've heard stuff like SS and RS :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Scarsick was my first POS album and since then I have all their albums and both DVD's and they are now in my top 10 favourite bands of all time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
I started with Scarsick as well and I wasn't "appalled" or anything like that. 

You could venture to say that I was in love, even. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 04:55:42 PM
That post was mostly joking. I said I don't hate the thing, it just does nothing for me. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
I started with Scarsick as well and I wasn't "appalled" or anything like that. 

You could venture to say that I was in love, even. 

Yep, Scarsick was a special album for me.  It was one of those albums just made me feel safe and happy, and really helped me through some rough emotional times.  Great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
That post was mostly joking. I said I don't hate the thing, it just does nothing for me. :P

No stress bro!  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 10, 2011, 07:35:38 PM
I started with Scarsick and BE and I was ready to never listen to Pain of Salvation again after those two albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 07:44:29 PM
I started with Scarsick and BE and I was ready to never listen to Pain of Salvation again after those two albums.
Haha. I started with BE and instantly wanted moar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on May 10, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
I started with Remedy Lane based on Amazon reviews.  It took a while for anything really to click, but the first song I loved was "Rope Ends."  Even after that, though, it still didn't work for me as a whole for a long time; it was like it came piece by piece.  Then one day after listening to the whole thing once again, it hit me like a revelation: this is one of the greatest albums ever!  Still feel the same way today.

Cool story bro.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 11, 2011, 05:02:49 AM
I'd love to hear Daniel do Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 11, 2011, 05:35:20 AM
I think Daniel has actually played drums for a rendition of Jesus Christ Superstar sometime, somewhere.  He's a huge, huge fan of the musical. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 11, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
He already did the best part of that song in Nightmist (Why shall I Die? at 4:20)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 11, 2011, 05:38:48 AM
I think Daniel has actually played drums for a rendition of Jesus Christ Superstar sometime, somewhere.  He's a huge, huge fan of the musical. 

Hmm never knew that.  Might ask him on bookface  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 17, 2011, 03:53:18 AM
Daniel Gildenlow's little guest spot on a short song from a new prog band that has his brother and Leo in it, he sings with Shanon den Adel form Within Temptation, it's pretty nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhVIodNNww
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 17, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
I started with Remedy Lane based on Amazon reviews.  It took a while for anything really to click, but the first song I loved was "Rope Ends."  Even after that, though, it still didn't work for me as a whole for a long time; it was like it came piece by piece.  Then one day after listening to the whole thing once again, it hit me like a revelation: this is one of the greatest albums ever!  Still feel the same way today.
Haha i had the exact same. PoS is hard to get into, but when you do,  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
My first favorite song was Rope Ends aswell
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 21, 2011, 12:20:46 PM
Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:15:20 PM
Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.
This. Very much this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 21, 2011, 01:35:33 PM
Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.

I love it. Always evolving, always making good music.

Very much interested in the next album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:36:33 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
This. I mean, I love experimental music, but this song is on the border of experimental and been-there-done-that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:41:26 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
This. I mean, I love experimental music, but this song is on the border of experimental and been-there-done-that.


Exactly, I mean musically speaking that might have been new for PoS, but it's still been done to death by hundreds of other bands.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 21, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I'll wait for a studio version to judge the song fully, but I like it.  I don't love it, though, and it doesn't seem to give much in the way of emotion, but it's fun. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 21, 2011, 01:49:47 PM
I liked it, but idk I just don't expect it from PoS. It's like if DT started playing Zeuhl.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 21, 2011, 04:49:02 PM
I'll wait for a studio version to judge the song fully, but I like it.  I don't love it, though, and it doesn't seem to give much in the way of emotion, but it's fun. 
This exactly. I dig it a lot, defintiely a natural follow on from RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2011, 06:10:07 PM
I don't mind this.  The quiet sections gives you that definitive POS feel and Daniel's vocals really pull this type of style off really well.  It's a continuation of RS1 and we knew that this is something we were going to get.  Plus, this really isn't any more out there some of the material that was on RS1.  The ending gives me a real Scarsick vibe.  It's POS mixed with a good serve of Clapton and Cream.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 06:35:40 PM
REMDEY LANNE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 05:32:37 AM
I'm sure that PoS will change theme again after RS2 so people can stop whining.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 07:17:19 AM
I'm sure that PoS will change theme again after RS2 so people can stop whining.

And they'll be all the better for it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 08:56:44 AM
Anyone else notice what happened with their website?


I haven't checked it in a while so maybe this is old news, https://www.painofsalvation.com/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 09:12:46 AM
I did a few weeks ago. Wonder what happened. Also, lol @ "eats your other favourite bands and artists for breakfast".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal
Hm... I think this is worse than anything on RS1 actually (and I dislike that one quite a lot). Oh well, it's not like I didn't expect this or anything. Hopefully there is a tuneo r two that sounds more like Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 09:42:59 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 
A live performance as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you?  
It's not like a better sounding recording of this will change my mind. I got into DT through a roughed up cassette tape of Awake so sound quality doesn't really matter that much if you don't like what you hear initially. Just like when I loved TPE (the song) when I first heard it. A 128kbps mp3.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
It's not the sound quality I'm talking about.  I'm talking about the fact that this is a different recording, in a different setting, with possibly different parts.  A live recording is often a completely different animal from that of a studio song.  That's my only point.  I wasn't talking about sound quality. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 10:47:56 AM
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 22, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.
I agree with this man
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 11:18:16 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 11:20:03 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

Oh of course not. But that doesn't mean I have to like it while they're doing it. I liked many parts of RS1, but usually just the songs that didn't have that 70's sound, like Sisters, of Dust, Under The Stars, Road Salt, and a few of the 70's sounding songs like Innocence and What She Means to Me. But most of the others I can listen to and enjoy, but don't really care much for.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 11:21:42 AM
Whatever they end up doing, I just want them to release more often. I hate it when good bands that takes a long time to release material.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:22:08 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
I honestly love RS1, but I'm thirsty for a new direction. It's been about a year since it came out, and we were supposed to get both at the same time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 11:23:40 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
Yeah that would be great, I really love 12:5. Something like that, but a studio album of new material, could be so amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:25:04 AM
Speaking of RS2, is there any kind of release date yet? Or is Daniel still trying to make it more "raw" sounding?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 11:25:29 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!
Witchcraft do it a lot better, imo. Just putting it out there, not that I hate all 70s sounding music (maybe just the one made in the 70s because it sounds horriblem, much worse than that live recording of PoS :d).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 22, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
I'd like to hear another album that sounds like RS1, Scarsick or Be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 01:59:23 PM
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 
That was referring to the new song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on May 22, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
I saw Conditioned live (twice even :D), it was FUCKING AWESOME.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on May 22, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Out of everything post Scarsick, I still enjoy 'Gone' more than all the other songs they've released on Road Salt and the EP.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.

This, x1000. The thing is, I would love this stuff, if I hadn't already heard it and wasn't already in love with actual 60-70s hard rock.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on May 22, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
PoS going all electro would awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

I like different. Just not when "different" means ripping off music from 40-50 years ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 09:59:53 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
Um...what?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
PoS with RS1 and Symphony X with PL are some examples I've noticed. I quite enjoy Road Salt 1 even Sleeping Under The Starts. Scarsick is also great probably among their best, its energetic and fun sounding.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Most of the complaints I heard is that they found it begins sounding like generic alt metal. I disagree, but I'm not a big fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 01:43:20 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on May 23, 2011, 01:53:22 AM
^ +1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2011, 08:51:29 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day. And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tRKIiAII

Road Salt is about as innovative as a Lenny Kravitz album. There, I said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhpHjmxNw8

Seriously. I could see that exact song being on RS 2... Sorry!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 23, 2011, 09:19:38 AM
If that song is on RS2 it would be an improvement. ^^
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 09:19:50 AM
I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day.
It's pretty different for PoS, which is what the comment is about. I don't know why you think anyone would be claiming that PoS are writing music that is different to everything. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day.
It's pretty different for PoS, which is what the comment is about. I don't know why you think anyone would be claiming that PoS are writing music that is different to everything. :lol

Well, no one can do that, but they used to be a lot closer to doing that then they are now!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 09:51:13 AM
Well, I'm not sure I really agree. Like I said, I haven't come across another album that really sounds like RS1. Yeah I could find some individual songs that sound like some of the songs from the album, but I'm talking about the album as a whole. I find it very unique.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on May 23, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
They were playing conditioned live before the release of RS1 btw (saw them on the small linoleum tour), so chances are that it's changed or scrapped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on May 23, 2011, 11:16:21 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day. And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tRKIiAII

Road Salt is about as innovative as a Lenny Kravitz album. There, I said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhpHjmxNw8

Seriously. I could see that exact song being on RS 2... Sorry!

OMG it's different for the band not for entire world. And it's as unique as TPE or RL compared to other albums in the world cause it definitely has POS essence all over it. It doesn't matter that the sound is inspired by 70's rock sound. The sound of TPE and RL was also inspired by progressive metal sound and there were already many many classic and awesome progressive metal albums out there in 2000 and 2002. However those two albums ARE uniqe. And not because they created some new genre. They are uniqe because DG and the rest of the band put their souls into it and that's same for RS1 too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
I'm not sure the rest of PoS put their souls into Road Salt, considering they weren't on a good portion of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 23, 2011, 12:40:50 PM
I think they did. Road Salt 1 is bluesy and soulful, and its cool. No Way reminds me of a Stevie Ray Vaughn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2011, 12:54:56 PM
I think they did. Road Salt 1 is bluesy and soulful, and its cool. No Way reminds me of a Stevie Ray Vaughn

I dunno, I'm sure DG did. But he wrote every note on the album, and actually performs all of the instruments on a good number of songs. I'm not sure how much "soul" the rest of the guys could have possibly put into an album they had very little to do with.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 23, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
They should just throw away the guitars and start making dubstep.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on May 23, 2011, 01:17:06 PM
YES
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 23, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
They should just throw away the guitars and start making dubstep.
Oh god...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 23, 2011, 06:57:02 PM
Hm, well at least I now know what vomit looks like on a monitor...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 24, 2011, 08:43:06 AM
Dan: RS2: Recorded oboe, english horn, flute and alto flute for "Healing Now", "1979", "The Physics of Gridlock" and "To the Shoreline" yesterday.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Yay acoustic instruments! :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on May 24, 2011, 10:01:43 AM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
Dan: RS2: Recorded oboe, english horn, flute and alto flute for "Healing Now", "1979", "The Physics of Gridlock" and "To the Shoreline" yesterday.

Really? Did DG actually play all of those instruments or is he saying they were just recorded?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:21:30 AM
I'm assuming he means he recorded them rather than played them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
I'm assuming he means he recorded them rather than played them.

Oh good. Still looking forward to Oboe, English Horn, Flute and also Flute........? For the new album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Alto flute. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 24, 2011, 11:30:57 AM
Alto flute. :lol
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 11:31:39 AM
Alto flute. :lol

 :censored
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:37:50 AM
:heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2011, 04:48:51 PM
1979?  A Smashing Pumpkins Cover??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 24, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
Alto flute. :lol

 :censored

I read "also flute" as well. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on May 24, 2011, 07:04:22 PM
1979?  A Smashing Pumpkins Cover??

was bout to type the same thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 24, 2011, 07:16:07 PM
I would laugh my ass off if 1979 was the last song on the album to symbolize the end of this 70s experiment.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 25, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
23:59, December 31st, 1979

Song is one second long, then he moves on to his Glam Metal project.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 25, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
then he moves on to his Glam Metal project.
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 25, 2011, 05:28:03 PM
If this is what it takes to hear him using more of his screams, i'm all for it. Maybe he will do a cover of Asylum City? :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on July 02, 2011, 01:24:20 AM
A translation from his Swedish twitter account he posted from yesterday:

"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: necrotomist on July 02, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".

Allthough I'm not a massive fan of their latest work, still looking forward to hear RS2...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 02, 2011, 09:18:07 AM
So I'm new to this thread...

I really didn't like Road Salt 1. At all. And yes its because they changed style.

I'm not faulting them for changing style, I'm faulting myself for not liking the style. And I am disappointed that they went that direction. I'm not saying they were wrong for doing it, but I am mad that they did. Just because they are one of my favorite bands doesn't mean I have to approve of everything they do.

Road Salt blows :(

Also the reason most people like TPE and RL the most is because people usually find out about PoS by liking Prog Metal, so generally they will like the albums that are more Prog Metally the most.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 09:19:21 AM
RS1 is one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on July 02, 2011, 09:47:59 AM
yeah road salt one is a pretty great album all around.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 02, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Also the reason most people like TPE and RL the most is because people usually find out about PoS by liking Prog Metal, so generally they will like the albums that are more Prog Metally the most.


Ai.  I only get a bit annoyed seeing a fair part of the fanbase saying that those two albums are the only two worthwhile albums, and the later stuff is "crap" and not worthwhile.  Hell, I was told that back in 2007 when I was getting into the band.

That said, personally, I think they've been on a steady line of improvement since Entropia, with Be, Scarsick, and Road Salt being my three favorite albums of theirs.  They alienated a lot of fans, and I think they're alright with that, but I wish there was less of the "TPE/RL rules all" mentality. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 02, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
RS1 is one of my favourites.
I agree. It's really quite good.

Controversial Opinion Time: RL (as much as I love it) and tPE are pretty much a short step away from being generic prog metal. Hate on Scarsick and RS1 as much you want, but they're pretty much their own thing. I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on July 02, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
i'm not into prog metal at all really, excluding a few albums and songs, and i would say that RL and TPE are close to being what you describe, but at the same time i don't think that's what they're about, or were about when they made it. it's all about feeling for them, and that feeling of music just happened to be progressive metal for those albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 02, 2011, 10:42:34 AM
I'm not really looking forward to RS2, but obviously I'll get it ASAP and listen to it and hopefully love it.


There's a few songs on RS1 I love, but a few I never have any desire to listen to, like Darkness of Mine, She Likes to Hide, No Way etc.

But I love What She Means to Me, Sisters, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars (minus some lyrical choices), Of Dust, Innocence and such. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 02, 2011, 11:16:21 AM
I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.

I don't think you really could, actually.  I certainly can't think of any 70s rock albums offhand that have a spectrum of songs like Of Dust, Sleeping Under the Stars, Curiosity, and Innocence on them.  It's almost like they took the term "70s rock" and turned it upside-down to see what they could draw out of it. 

Also, I've never been bothered by the progressive metal tendencies of the earlier albums in the slightest.  It's like, while they're done in a genre that usually leaves me cold, there is a molten hot emotional core in them that certainly reaches through. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 02, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
BE is one of my favorite albums of all time... truly a masterpiece, TPE is not far behind it.

And I like everything of theirs except Road Salt (although some songs are growing on me), Scarsick isn't as bad as a lot of people say, but there are a couple of songs I really don't like on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 06:08:52 PM
I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.

I don't think you really could, actually.  I certainly can't think of any 70s rock albums offhand that have a spectrum of songs like Of Dust, Sleeping Under the Stars, Curiosity, and Innocence on them.  It's almost like they took the term "70s rock" and turned it upside-down to see what they could draw out of it. 
This. There's a very obvious 70s feel and influence, but overall it doesn't sound like ANYTHING that I've heard from that era, or indeed ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2011, 05:37:44 AM
A translation from his Swedish twitter account he posted from yesterday:

"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".

Oh yeah!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on July 03, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
No way! September is going to be awesome!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 03, 2011, 10:46:55 PM
Road Salt One is their best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 03, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 04, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
I've been trying to get my boyfriend into POS, and whilst he's really into Death Metal and things, Sisters is one of his favourites.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 04, 2011, 05:00:31 PM
Probably because it's the only song worth listening from that album /trollface
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 04, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
Probably because it's the only song worth listening from that album /trollface
:O

Blasphemy! RS1 is one of my favourites! XP
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 05, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 05, 2011, 09:33:24 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?

You know how I feel about you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 05, 2011, 09:36:16 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?

You know how I feel about you.
You love me right?  :-*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 05, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 05, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 05, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on July 10, 2011, 06:35:56 AM
I just teared up at Sisters, definitely a top 5 song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on July 10, 2011, 06:52:35 AM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:

Yeah, and destroy his piano.

Oh, wait, wrong artist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 10, 2011, 07:32:56 AM
I could be seeing them later this year. Not sure if I want to go, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:30:28 AM
I've seen them twice, one of them being the release party for the Linoleum EP. Oddly enough, I never heard anything about a release party for RS1?

Anyway, while RS1 isn't my favorite, I'm really, really looking forward to RS2. And even if it isn't good, it will at least mean the end of the current style they're using. (At least I hope that.) I do wonder what the next album will be like...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 10, 2011, 09:32:27 AM
I've seen them four times and all four times were awesome, definitely go.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 10, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
It's already been delayed like 4 times. I'd say this is the real deal.

So, that means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
It's already been delayed like 4 times. I'd say this is the real deal.

So, that means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
:metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 10, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
That means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
(https://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/features/dream-theater-video-review/mike-mangini-gets-news-460-100-460-70.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on July 14, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
Swedish PAIN OF SALVATION can now finally reveal that the “Road Salt Two” album is scheduled for a September 26th, 2011 release date in Europe via InsideOutMusic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Woo! Same day as Steven Wilson's, no? Howsabout the US?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2011, 04:07:39 PM
Howsabout the US?


Who?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 02:52:48 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 16, 2011, 07:11:16 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
I might try to catch a show while I'm in Sweden. Already seen them a couple of times but think it would be cool to go to a show there, see if it's any different :p.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 16, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
Wait... I thought you didn't like PoS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 09:26:30 AM
Nah, I like PoS, but they haven't clicked (yet) as being something more then a good band.
Maybe that will change if I check them out some more, I only have like ~500-600 plays with them on lastfm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 16, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
500-600 listens is a lot.....

Does it always take you more than that to start liking a band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 09:40:14 AM
500-600 listens is a lot.....

Does it always take you more than that to start liking a band?

Nah not really, this is kinda an unique example.
PoS has been kinda special for me that way, I started with The Second Death of, which I really liked.
Solid live-album with a lot of good songs, after that I tried Remedy Lane, Scarsick, The Perfect Element, Entropia and One Hour By the Concrete Lake, none really clicked.
Listened to 12:5, which I thought was really good, but again a live-album.
Have not tried BE, but their studio albums hasn't really clicked, so that's kinda a major part of it all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 16, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Nah, I like PoS

(https://www.shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bigbang1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 16, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
See, Zantera may be brash in his judgements from time to time but he does eventually come around.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on July 16, 2011, 11:27:57 AM
his moment of trascendence will come on the 666th spin. so potentially right around the corner...

just make sure you have tissues on hand for when you mangini, zantera.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 17, 2011, 06:06:03 AM
I'm seeing them with Opeth in December.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 17, 2011, 06:25:47 AM
I'm seeing them with Opeth in December.

Just sayin'.

Same here. ;)
Even though I like Opeth a lot more, I'm still more happy with PoS as an opener then Katatonia.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Katatonia, but I saw them open for PT, they weren't as good live as in studio, and I haven't seen PoS at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 17, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
I don't think I've ever heard a single good thing about Katatonia's live show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 17, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
Just listened to Road Salt One, and I must say, it was pretty awesome. No Way, Sisters, Of Dust, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars, Linoleum, Curiosity, all cool songs. I loved the fact that it was straight up rock with a ton of blues influence and very little of Gildenlow douchiness. One thing I must say, and this is not a bad thing, is that during the more rocking songs Gildenlow sounds EXACTLY like Chris Cornell circa Badmotorfinger. Any recommendations on where to head to next that is not Remedy Lane. I couldn't get through that one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 17, 2011, 10:26:47 PM
Just wait for RS2.

Seriously though, I'm not an expert on their whole discography, so if you can't stomach Remedy Lane (which is my favorite of the ones I know well), I don't know what would be best for you to sample next.

Welcome, however, to the realm of fine taste and sophistication.*

*Daniel makes us say that whenever we meet a new fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jaq on July 17, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
I used to love PoS. 12:5 is still one of my favorite albums of the past decade, I love Remedy Lane to death-when I broke up with my girlfriend of six years a while ago, "Second Love" was pretty much my theme song for the next couple of months-and I even found a lot to enjoy with BE, though by and large I found that it really didn't work overall, just too quirky. Then Scarsick came around and, for me at least, PoS lost the plot. Maybe it was just my interests moved in different directions, but I used to love the hell out of PoS, and now I don't.

Ahh well, I'll always have "Second Love."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on July 17, 2011, 11:13:58 PM
The only album I have is Scarsick, and I must say I didn't really like it, but I've heard that that album is a bit different. What album would you recommend me to try next? (I'm a metal/prog metal/prog rock fan)

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 17, 2011, 11:20:20 PM
I say Remedy Lane, but also a lot of people will say The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2011, 11:41:42 PM
I say The Perfect Element, but most people will say Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on July 17, 2011, 11:57:19 PM
Ok, I will try out those two then, thanks :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 17, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
Just listened to Road Salt One, and I must say, it was pretty awesome. No Way, Sisters, Of Dust, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars, Linoleum, Curiosity, all cool songs. I loved the fact that it was straight up rock with a ton of blues influence and very little of Gildenlow douchiness. One thing I must say, and this is not a bad thing, is that during the more rocking songs Gildenlow sounds EXACTLY like Chris Cornell circa Badmotorfinger. Any recommendations on where to head to next that is not Remedy Lane. I couldn't get through that one.

I'd check out their live CD/DVD, Ending Themes. It's got a really good set, and the sound is really better than PoS studio albums, which usually don't sound very good anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 01:58:12 AM
Cole, I would say "The Second Death of", it's a live album that came out right before Road Salt, so it covers all of the albums released earlier.
Great song-list, and honestly I think PoS sounds much better live.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on July 18, 2011, 01:31:40 PM
The only album I have is Scarsick, and I must say I didn't really like it, but I've heard that that album is a bit different. What album would you recommend me to try next? (I'm a metal/prog metal/prog rock fan)

Cheers :)

really, i'd say the only two that really give off the prog metal vibe are the firts two albums (Entropia & One hour...), but for some reason, not too many folks will recommend them.

the ending themes album is a great live recording and probly a great place for anyone to start and get a good taste of the band's variety, despite the lack of showcasing the epics.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
Damn. Road Salt One really is killer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:16:02 PM
This Heart of Mine is amazing.  :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.

Nah. It's an ok song.


Of Dust is my favorite, but Sisters is right up there. No Way has that lame little bridge section, just bores the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:18:34 PM
No Way is probably my favorite on Road Salt One as well, the groovy guitars!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.

Nah. It's an ok song.


Of Dust is my favorite, but Sisters is right up there. No Way has that lame little bridge section, just bores the hell out of me.

That is the one thing that brings the song down...

BUT THE VERSES!! :drool:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:19:53 PM
Verses are cool, but by far the most egocentric lyrics he's written.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
I have no idea what they are about, to be honest.

Care to enlighten me?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:22:38 PM
I have no idea what they are about, to be honest.

Care to enlighten me?

Doesn't seem like a hidden message, it's Daniels character saying that some girls new boyfriend isn't as amazing as he is.

I dunno, it seems that he noticed that fans loved Remedy Lane (which is about sex) and then made another album about sex without really realizing why we liked Remedy Lane and that the fact that it's about sex wasn't it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:23:58 PM
Oh, I figured it was about some character with the same issue or something. Eh, I dig the song. In a few days, I might try Remedy Lane again, but IIRC, I hated it on the first listen so much, I never went back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:25:28 PM
Oh, I figured it was about some character with the same issue or something. Eh, I dig the song. In a few days, I might try Remedy Lane again, but IIRC, I hated it on the first listen so much, I never went back.

If you hated Remedy Lane, and think No Way is the best PoS song, then this probably isn't the band for you.

They have been getting quirkier and weirder and goofier as of late (which is seems you're very fond of) but their main stuff is pretty damn serious and based around emotion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:27:07 PM
It's not that I like goofy, I just dig the straight up rock. Like, I remember the one song I dug off of Remedy Lane was Ending Theme because it was badass. The chorus had Gildenlow belting and it was cool. :lol

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Yea, this might not be your band.



But if you're up for it, I'd check out either Entropia or One Hour By the Concrete Lake, neither are goofy but they're both pretty rocking (although in a completely different way than RS).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
I'll definitely check them out. I think I'll give Remedy Lane was more listen and if I want to shoot myself, I'll check the other albums out before completely giving up. :lol

I could always hope that RS2 is similar to RS1. Thanks though, dude. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:31:43 PM
I'll definitely check them out. I think I'll give Remedy Lane was more listen and if I want to shoot myself, I'll check the other albums out before completely giving up. :lol

I could always hope that RS2 is similar to RS1. Thanks though, dude. :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpK5JaJ_96E

If you don't like that, give up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:34:23 PM
I'm digging it. I mean, it's a bit out there, but I like most of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
I'm digging it. I mean, it's a bit out there, but I like most of it.

It is a bit out there. It's not nearly as standard and generic as say...........Earth Day.



The hell?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:38:07 PM
What I mean by out there is that, um, I don't like it when he talks in his songs. It pisses me off and ruins the flow, and FYI, Earth Day is the greatest song ever. Don't make fun of it. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
What I mean by out there is that, um, I don't like it when he talks in his songs. It pisses me off and ruins the flow, and FYI, Earth Day is the greatest song ever. Don't make fun of it. :P

I didn't make fun of it at all. I was pointing out the irony of you worshiping a song like Earth Day but then complaining that PoS is too "out there". It's like hating goth hipster crap but thinking Tim Burton is the best director ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:40:36 PM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:41:32 PM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol

Then PoS is not for you. He talks a lot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:43:24 PM
I know! :lol

I can dig one album, can't I? :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:48:58 PM
There is no way....
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:50:20 PM
Hey, if even I can come around on PoS, anything is possible right? ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 18, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
I can come around on PoS
The world has gone mad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 19, 2011, 04:58:47 AM
STEP BY STEP
HATE CONTROLS
EVERY HEART
EVERY SOUL

(for colefrog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHaI0wxrl70)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 20, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
STEP BY STEP
HATE CONTROLS
EVERY HEART
EVERY SOUL

(for colefrog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHaI0wxrl70)

omfg this is like one of my favorite PoS moments EVER. The extended heavy part after that... holy shit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2011, 06:50:02 AM
Listened to Remedy Lane in the car, had only heard a few songs before.
Not really sure what to say, it was good (will obviously need more spins), one complaint however, would be that the songs I did know before (Undertow, Chain Sling and This Heart of Mine) sounded better on Second Death of, so I was slightly let down by their studio versions.

I also picked up both Entropia and One Hour... today, they were both fairly cheap.
Though I was out for picking up The Perfect Element, BE and Scarsick, but those were the 3 albums they didn't have in the store, kinda sad since I've seen all in the cd-store before, but I guess I gotta order those.
And I also ordered 12:5 today, should get it in a week or so. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on July 20, 2011, 09:11:46 AM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol
Don't ever listen to BE, then. If you think things drag during their earlier stuff, you REALLY won't be able to handle BE. Which is why it's my least favorite album of theirs by far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
Just finished listening to Entropia, really good album.
As a whole I prefer it over Remedy Lane, though that one probably had a few more standout tracks like Trace of Blood and Beyond the Pale.
However... FOREWORD and NIGHTMIST, that is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 20, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
I'M NOT AFRAAAAAAAAAAAAAID
I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU
I'M NOT AFRAAAAAAAAAAAAIID
I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 08:28:33 AM
Okay so I just listened to One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Liked it less then the others I've heard, though it was still good.

I think a lot of people complain about the sound/production, but I did not have a problem with that, I actually think it was fine on that side.
However, very few of the songs on the album stood out as being really good, obviously that can change over time, but going in beforehand, I didn't recognize a lot of the song-titles, so my initial opinion was that the band themselves maybe weren't too happy about the result of this album?
I love both Handful of Nothing and New Years Eve (heard both before on Second Death of), and Home sounded really good, but I don't think I've read the other songnames before. (like in setlists from concerts or so)
Do the band often play songs from this album live? and if so, which ones?

Gonna give Entropia another listen later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 21, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Guys....

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 21, 2011, 09:08:52 AM
Guys....

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355)
Was just about to post that.

Quote
Following the turbulent and successful release of “Road Salt One” in the year 2010 and the touring activities in its support which climaxed with shows in India and South America earlier this year, Sweden's PAIN OF SALVATION can now reveal the cover artwork and tracklisting for the “Road Salt Two” album as follows:
 
PAIN OF SALVATION – “Road Salt Two”
 
1. Road Salt Theme
2. Softly She Cries
3. Conditioned
4. Healing Now
5. To The Shoreline
6. Eleven
7. 1979
8. The Deeper Cut
9. Mortar Grind
10. Through The Distance
11. The Physics Of Gridlock
12. End Credits
 
“Road Salt Two” is scheduled for a September 26th, 2011 release date in Europe and an October 11th, 2011 release date in North America via InsideOutMusic.

(https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283033_10150424875244657_22754734656_10239876_8239694_n.jpg)

I like the cover, but there's no Gone? Did they remove it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
I suppose it's....


Gone.


(https://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 21, 2011, 09:15:42 AM
I suppose it's....


Gone.


(https://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/cool.gif)
I kinda asked for that one, didn't I? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
I'm pretty thrilled that they decided to leave the other two Linoleum songs off.  It gives the Linoleum EP more of a reason to have existed, and though Gone and If You Wait were the two better songs I'd rather hear an album of mostly new material. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
Yeah yeah, ignore my post. :P
I agree with Seth though, rather a new album with more new songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on July 21, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
That album cover is beautiful.

And I hope The Physics of Gridlock is the big closer that Innocence wasn't; I remember when RS1 came out a few of us were disappointed that Innocence wasn't an epic closer in the vein of Enter Rain or Beyond the Pale.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on July 21, 2011, 10:57:26 AM
12. End Credits

Opeth
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
I must say, I like this cover way more then the cover for Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on July 21, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
I'm hoping for special edition with Gone and If You Wait. I guess that makes sense cause

Objective reasons:
1. Daniel wrote that he remixed those tracks for RS2
2. RS1 special edition was also just short What She Means To Me and No Way and Road Salt extended which wasn't a lot so two additional songs will be great this time
3. we will get both an album with new material and as bonus the rest of Linoleum songs.

Personal reasons:
4. I resisted listening to Linoleum for so long and all I'll get is Mortar Grind!!! :censored

I've just found this quote from Daniel BTW:

"If You Wait is one of my all-time favorite POS songs by the way. Destined for RS2.
Gone is still hanging in the balance, depends on how it works with the rest of the album I'd say..."

I really think that at least If You Wait will be part of RS2 special edition.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on July 21, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
It looks like daniel is fucking the keyboard player on the album cover

/can never be unseen
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 01:14:01 PM
Album-rankings out of the ones I've heard/know:

1. Entropia
2. Road Salt
3. Remedy Lane
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 21, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
Well, I guess there's no harm in listening to Linoleum now since it's only one song spoiled.

Fucking stoked though. RS1 kicks so much ass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
If You Wait is quite awesome imo. I wasn't that into it but once I saw it live it suddenly clicked somehow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 21, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
After listening to the EP, I can quite easily say Mortar Grind was by far the best song. Daniel is wise to keep it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 06:14:01 PM
Agree, Mortar Grind is easily the best song on the EP.  I'm glad it's on the album.  I'm happy to keep the other two on the EP.  Love the cover too.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:15:31 PM
After listening to the EP, I can quite easily say Mortar Grind was by far the best song. Daniel is wise to keep it.


................................................


















......gone is better.





Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 06:16:26 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:18:04 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum

Switch 2 and 3 and that's basically my ranking as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:50:32 PM
Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.

I can't stand the drums on the verse's but yea, it's a cool song. I have just heard it too many times.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
I'm listening to the EP right now.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
I've got a certain gripe with Mortar Grind (and it's not one I often have with Pain of Salvation) and that is the lyrics.  I think I understand what they were trying to do with the "Emily is sad" thing but it just doesn't work.  Also, the verse is a bit of a bore to me in general.  Definitely one of my lesser favorites of theirs, but I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out after getting a remix job in RS2.  (Assuming it did, of course)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 25, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvdUSxwv6Q
These guys will be supporting PoS in the show I am not going to go to in a few months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on July 25, 2011, 05:50:10 AM
Got tickets for the Manchester gig w/ Opeth.

Gonna be fucking brutal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 06:07:07 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 25, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)

Bro..... do The Perfect Element mucho rapido!!!!!!! :lol  You're missing the best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
I'm gonna order it after I get 12:5. :) Then get BE and Scarsick as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 26, 2011, 01:44:24 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

YES. Entropia used to be my favorite PoS album until TPE struck me like a meteor, but still it remains such a memorable and impressive album to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2011, 06:44:20 AM
https://www.radiometal.com/en/article/pain-of-salvation-road-salt-two-is-almost-there,37093

Radio Metal: Don’t worry, it’s not going to be like a boring interview of twenty minutes… It’s for fun

Daniel Gildenlöw: You might think that! Until I start answering! (Laughs)

(Laughs) Ok, so, how are you doing?

I’m fine. We’ve done the gig, so that’s nice.

How was it?

It was OK. Good crowd, lots of people.

I was a little surprised, because this is a metal festival, and yet a lot of people seemed to react to Pain Of Salvation’s music. That’s cool, because bands like Anathema or Pain Of Salvation might not get the same response as other bands in a purely metal festival. This time, it was the contrary, actually.

I think that when people see us live, they can’t but notice that there’s a groove you have to respond to. I’m just happy it works out. Every time we’re playing at Hellfest, we’re like: “Should we play the metal material?” But then we stick to what’s us, and it usually pays off. That’s good.

The two times you played at Hellfest, it was in the afternoon, so it was quite sunny. I think it’s good conditions for Pain Of Salvation. Some bands look better when it’s dark, but for you, I really enjoy these conditions.

Yeah? I guess we work with different conditions. Of course, as a band, being on stage, it’s always nice when it’s sort of dark, and you can make a light show that sort of underlines the music. But daytime gigs have another type of fascination that comes with them, I guess.

Some bands might tend to hide behind the light show.

Exactly. I’m leaning towards something brutally honest and naked right now, so it would go along with that. We can’t hide behind any cool light shows or whatever; we have to make ourselves and the music talk by themselves.

Have you seen other bands on stage?

I was out and watched a bit of Mr. Big, which was nice. I did the Hammer Of The Gods thing a few years ago, together with Paul Gilbert, so it was nice to see him on stage.

Actually, the two bands, Pain Of Salvation and Mr. Big, can be compared in terms of vocal harmonies. There’s a lot of work there, and that’s quite rare in metal today.

We’ve just been… I wouldn’t say lucky, because we’ve been trying really hard to get the right people in the band. But we have at least three people that are above average when it comes to lead singing. Which is pretty nice, because you can do quite a lot of stuff that other bands can’t really do. Normally, you have like one singer, and the rest of them are sort of singers. But with Johan and Leo in the band, all of this can go extremely high up and become lead singing, which is pretty nice.

It’s also nice because your guitarist can do the lead singing and you can go over the top…

Yeah, I need to jump around sometimes! (laughs) When we do full shows, especially when we play two and a half hours, like we just did in Brazil, for the encore, we can just throw whatever’s out there. I was playing drums for some Dio song, and Leo would do the lead vocals; Johan also did vocals for some Beatles songs. It’s pretty nice. We can do so many different things, ‘cause all of us have sort of a wide foundation to start with. It’s a pleasure and an honor, I guess. Good line-up, I like it a lot.

The last song you played today was a bit different than usual…

The thing is, we only had 45 minutes, which is not really a gig for us. It’s sort of a warm-up! When we started to do the set-list, we figured that we would not be able to play the whole Perfect Element, because there’s the “Falling” intro, where I play a lead solo thing. It starts off pretty soft before it kicks in, and we thought we had to kick in from the start, pretty much. It made for a pretty different experience, we’ve never done that before. We never even played it, we just talked about it twenty minutes before the show! (Laughs) We were like, “ok, maybe if you just did like ‘tick clack uh’ and then we start playing.” So, even though we talked about it, it still felt really odd doing it, because we have never actually done it. It was a weird situation, I guess.

You have already changed some songs in the past. I’m thinking of “Ashes” in major scale, for example. That was really cool.

The one song that has probably gone through the most transformations through the years would be “Nightmist”. I have an old demo recording somewhere, from ’93 or ’94, where it’s really straight through the whole song. And then we’ve been developing it all the time. Already on our first album in 1997, we had introduced a lot of details. Now it’s been going through quite some transformations. We have a reggae part, a power death metal part, and we’re ending with a long twelve-bar blues in five/four. It’s a constant change, everything is up for grabs through the years.

You should to more live albums, to immortalize these changes!

Live albums always seem like a good idea. Today, people want to re-record so much stuff afterwards, and I’m just so against that. So I never do that. But of course, I always get involved in the mixing process. It always starts off like: “We’ll just record the live gig, and release the whole gig or whatever”. Then it ends up being lots more work. I prefer to work on new material. I’m sort of anxious and restless to move on.

Speaking of new material, when is Road Salt Two coming out?

End of September. I think it’s the 27th of September. But I’ve heard it already, so it’s old news to me! (laughs)

What can we expect?

It’s pretty much the same beast as Road Salt One. It’s really the same sort of sound. I used to say that it’s probably darker than Road Salt One, but I’m not sure anymore, ‘cause I’m so subjective. I’m so completely into it, it’s hard to tell. We have more seventies, old-rock-style, sort of Zeppelin or Sabbath-sounding songs, but we also have some soft, sensitive material. It’s really difficult to say how it’s gonna be received by people who’ve never heard it before. It’s more in the same style as the previous album than you can usually expect from Pain Of Salvation, since it’s part of the same thing, really.

You seem pretty enthusiastic about the seventies style, first with Road Salt One, and now Road Salt Two. Is it a new Pain Of Salvation? Can we expect that style in the future?

I’ll probably get sick of that too and change it to something else! (laughs) I don’t know. Right now I’m so fed up with modern production, with clicky-based drums, wall-of-sound guitars and rectifiers and all that crap. I’m sick of it, I can’t stand it, I can’t listen to it. So I needed to find something that felt more true and honest. I just went back all the time to the sound from the seventies, the grainy, just really honest, live-played material. It still moves me, in a way that music from the eighties and nineties simply doesn’t.

Is your bass player a permanent member now?

No! That’s the funny thing. It’s sort of an almost-full bandmember. He’s our first-hand choice when we go out and play. When we played India, we had a guy also called Daniel playing keyboards, because Fredrik was unavailable at that point. So this guy Daniel, who was actually our stage technician for the 2007 tour, managed to play the keyboards. He’s a really good keyboard player. But from the start he’s a bass player – he’s a really good bass player too! So for Brazil that we just did, he came along, but since Fredrik was playing the keyboards, he came along and played the bass, because Per couldn’t be there to play the bass! So it’s sort of open, but we’ll see in the future what happens. It’s hard enough to have four people being able to come to the rehearsals and put in the time and effort that’s needed. With five people, everything starts to get very complicated. We’re not eighteen anymore; we have families, we have lots of other commitments. It’s difficult to get things working out.

Have you heard the album your brother put out with The Shadow Theory, his new band?

No. I would love to say yes to that question. It would just seem so much better if I said yes, I guess! (Laughs) No, I haven’t, actually. Is it good?

It’s excellent. It’s with Devon Graves from Psychotic Waltz.

Oh, that’s cool. Does it have clicky-based drums?

No, I think not! Actually, it also features the drummer from Threshold.

Johanne? Oh, wait, they had three different ones… We’ve played with them a few times through the years, but they’ve had different ones. Is it Johanne, the black guy?

Yes, that’s him!

He’s a really good drummer. A nice guy too. That’s cool.

Sorry, but how is it possible you didn’t listen to an album your own brother is playing on?!

I’ve said it before today, but you’d be surprised about what I haven’t listened to or heard actually!

You know this will end up on Blabbermouth and be twisted around, and people will think you hate your brother and there is a problem in the Gildenlöw family?!

(Laughs) OK, so let’s me rephrase that: I haven’t heard it, but I’m sure it’s good! I’m sure Kristoffer does a stand-out job on the bass! (Laughs) I mean, I really like music. But I think I’m just so deep into the creative part of music that, when I have free time, I like silence. Or possibly watching a good TV series or a movie. Or reading books. Or even better, taking a hot bath while reading books! Listening to music, it’s just… It’s like I need a break from it when I’m not into the whole creative process. I spend so much time getting all the details right, it really makes me go nuts sometimes. So that’s pretty much the reason. Actually, I’ve been on so many different albums outside Pain Of Salvation, and I haven’t even listened to most of them afterwards! It’s like, when I’ve done it, I’m happy with having heard that song. I know what I did, I know what they did, and that’s fine. I don’t need to go back and revisit that. Don’t tell anyone, but I still have the Transatlantic stuff, or the Axamenta stuff, still wrapped in plastic at home. It’s really, really embarrassing! But luckily, that goes with the Pain Of Salvation stuff, too. Like the last DVD: I spent so much time working on it, looking at the menus, going through all the little details… After it was done and I got the final product, I opened it up, I looked at it, but it’s gonna take years for me to be able to put that into my DVD player and actually watch it. I’m done with it for now!

You said we would be surprised about all the things you haven’t listened to. But I’m sure you’ve listened to Lady Gaga!

I’ve heard that one song that’s always on the radio. And that’s it! Why, is she playing here? (laughs)

But every metalhead has already listened to Lady Gaga!

Yeah? I didn’t know that!

She’s a Kiss and Anthrax fan, actually.

Oh yeah? That’s cool. The one song I’ve heard, although it’s extremely commercial at one point, it’s still sort of interesting. It’s a bit uncompromising in a way. I mean, you have that really catchy chorus, but the rest of the song is not really what you would expect from truly mainstream stuff. So I’m not surprised to hear that.

You did a bit of Lady Gaga before Lady Gaga with “Disco Queen”!

Yeah! It’s just that the world didn’t notice it as much, did they? (Laughs) We were kind of Mister Gaga, I guess! (laughs)

So what are you going to do or watch now?

I know Per wants to watch Judas and… What’s the other stuff? Ozzy? I just met up with an old friend who plays in Dark Tranquillity these days. It’s funny: back in 1994, I think, we won this national music contest in Sweden with Pain Of Salvation. And we had this music college band on the side, called The Q-Krunkers From Hell – I won’t even describe what that means. He was 19 years old at that point, and he was one of the two guys taking care of our band. We went to their rehearsal room at one point. He was on stage with this joke band, because we had decided to highjack the stage for their first night. He played the bongo and I played the drums. It was like thrash death metal with country influences – in Swedish, of course! It was really bizarre, satanic and sexist lyrics. But it was a joke, of course, I must emphasize that: it was a joke band. He was playing the bongo for that, and now he’s playing in Dark Tranquillity. I think that was actually the last time we met, in 1994, and now we just met up. So I think I’m gonna check his band out. It will be nice, seeing the old bongo player from The Q-Krunkers From Hell on stage! (Laughs)

Ok, you know, you’re not really interesting so we’d better cut short this interview now…

See, that’s what I said! I told you so! (Laughs)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on August 02, 2011, 01:02:57 AM
Interesting! Think I will definitely dig RS2...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 02, 2011, 11:56:14 AM
Oh, that’s cool. Does it have clicky-based drums?
I lol'd. :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 12:29:47 PM
really surprised at the number of people on this board who liked RS1.  i thought it was awful and cut out the best parts of the Linoleum EP that preceded it.

Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 12:52:16 PM
Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.

If I'm remembering correctly, he said that the similarity really bothered him when it was pointed out to him and he nearly cut/changed the song because of it.  So, according to him it was an unintentional similarity, not a ripoff. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.

Sisters should have been cut?


No way.



Also, I assume you guys mean Chopins Nocturne? If so, which part I can't seem to find a similarity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 01:14:45 PM
Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:17:01 PM
Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.


Well that would explain why I couldn't find any similarity to Chopin.


But wow that's the same melody. Oh well, stuff like that happens.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 01:21:47 PM
I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:32:15 PM
I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:

To be fair I wrote an extremely distinctive Korn riff about a month before it was released. It does happen.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 01:33:21 PM
I was messing around on the guitar and "wrote" the intro to Harvester of Sorrow by Metallica. Shit happens.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.

Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on August 02, 2011, 02:39:22 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.
Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
No, he can be a fan, just as long as he doesn't go to a concert and up on stage singing next to Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Oh yeah, haven't posted here in a while.

Listened to BE and Scarsick once, they still need more time to grow, so ranking them is too early.
Album rankings for the rest:

1. Entropia
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. One Hour By the Conrete Lake
5. Road Salt One

As of now, it's tempting to put both Scarsick and BE between RL and One Hour, but yeah they need more time.
12:5 is probably my favorite album by them though, but it's not fair to rank it with the studio's.
Title: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Aniland on August 02, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
I assume most of the people here are familiar with Pain of Salvation, being one of the biggest prog metal bands and all. Of course, that's all changed as of the past couple of years with the blues rock release Road Salt One, styles of past albums practically all forgotten. With that said, I think that it's one of the best records I've ever heard and while I want more like The Perfect Element, I appreciate what they're doing just as much. Now, Road Salt Two comes in a couple months.

What's your thoughts on this new PoS?
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Gorille85 on August 02, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.

Came here to post that.
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2011, 04:22:51 PM
There's already a PoS-thread.

However to stay on topic, even though I like Road Salt One, I would still probably rank it the lowest out of the PoS albums I know.
It's a solid listen, but few of the songs stand out (to me) as being better then just 'good', but again... the whole "going back to the 70's" thing is kinda lame and overdone for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 03, 2011, 09:38:07 AM

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

"Haters gonna hate"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 03, 2011, 11:42:44 AM
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

Quentin Tarantino presents Road Salt Two
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2011, 10:19:47 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on August 03, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
What does Daniel have on his shoulder? A table??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 03, 2011, 10:38:10 PM
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

Quentin Tarantino presents Road Salt Two

someone needs to shop Reservoir Dogs QT into this
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2011, 12:50:41 AM
What does Daniel have on his shoulder? A table??

A huge god damn head.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 04, 2011, 05:28:56 AM
(https://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/205893_261649877179499_111621962182292_1162769_634022_n.jpg)

(https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/229673_261160063895147_111621962182292_1160946_4509287_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 04, 2011, 08:36:24 AM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: sonatafanica on August 04, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
woo

i have high hopes for this album, road salt one was fucking great
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 04, 2011, 09:51:59 AM
Same, apparently RS2 is a bit darker, and I love the sound of that. Also, The Physics of Gridlock is nearly 9 minutes long, so I hope it'll be the epic closer (i.e. Beyond the Pale, TPE) that Innocence wasn't.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 06, 2011, 12:37:54 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Wow.

They have NEVER had a good website. First, they had that popup JavaScript bullshit. At least the content was pretty good, they even had some guitar tabs. And then they went blog, which was a DISASTER! And now this? Just Daniel's face and some small info?

In fact, few bands seems to really use their website well. How hard is to put some samples UPFRONT on the website, maybe letting newcomers get a immidiate taste of the band? And that's only scratching the surface...

ANYWAY! I'm quite excited about Road Salt Two - aside from a few songs I really liked the first one. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 07, 2011, 06:05:55 AM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Wow.

They have NEVER had a good website. First, they had that popup JavaScript bullshit. At least the content was pretty good, they even had some guitar tabs. And then they went blog, which was a DISASTER! And now this? Just Daniel's face and some small info?

In fact, few bands seems to really use their website well. How hard is to put some samples UPFRONT on the website, maybe letting newcomers get a immidiate taste of the band? And that's only scratching the surface...

It's shocking isn't it. You'd think they'd put their discography up there, a little biography, some samples like you mentioned...
GET IT TOGETHER DANIEL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 07, 2011, 06:41:31 AM
While I agree that their website is a bit... lacking, I still wonder how much people read those discographies/biographies pages?
Personally, when I discover a new band I like, I just read their wikipedia-article, unless it's a really unknown band that doesn't have one (or very little info), but PoS are fairly known, and they have a fairly big article about them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 07, 2011, 06:42:00 AM
I think the blog was actually a pretty good idea, the problem with a blog is that it requires regular updates to make sense, and it only did for the first 2 months or so...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Wow, they really went all out with that website.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 09, 2011, 04:31:09 PM
That website is fucking pitiful.

Granted, I never visit websites of bands. Most of them suck ass. I get all my band news from here, last.fm, and wikipedia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on August 09, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 09, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phantasmatron on August 10, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.

Yeah...not the most apropos tagline.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
You mean after they changed name from Reality
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 10, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
They've got their new website up.

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
You mean after they changed name from Reality
More like after DG wrote Second Love.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
In fact, yeah. TRVE METUL BANDS DON'T WRITE SONGS, THEY GET IMMEDIATE INSPIRATION FROM THE INFERNAL DEPTHS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 10, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
In fact, yeah. TRVE METUL BANDS DON'T WRITE SONGS, THEY GET IMMEDIATE INSPIRATION FROM THE INFERNAL DEPTHS
Pain of Salvation isn't true metal, thank god.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:17:49 PM
KVLT BLACK METUL IS THE ONLY REAL MUSIC IN THE WORLD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2011, 05:23:09 PM
Pluvius Aestivus = X-Files theme-song.

Anyone else hear that as well?  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phantasmatron on August 10, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Pluvius Aestivus = X-Files theme-song.

Anyone else hear that as well?  :P

I noticed that the first time I heard it...and every time since.  Doesn't stop it from being a good song, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Nah, I mean... I like it, but the "influence" or similarity was just so clear that it was impossible to miss.
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
I haven't listened to it for a while, but I never noticed it...

(Though I wish you hadn't said that though. I'm afraid it will be like with the Opeth logo and me being unable to un-see the fucking Pringles face)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
I haven't listened to it for a while, but I never noticed it...

(Though I wish you hadn't said that though. I'm afraid it will be like with the Opeth logo and me being unable to un-see the fucking Pringles face)

Don't play Goldeneye either (https://funstoo.blogspot.com/2011/03/golden-eye-007-if-you-see-it-you-can.html)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 10, 2011, 08:08:10 PM
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.

That depends, does it have a clicky bass drum?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 10, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.

That depends, does it have a clicky bass drum?

hehe. awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
Time for a new update.
Been spinning BE and Scarsick quite some times the last weeks, seeing as they were the only two left in my journey to discover the discography.
Some quality material, BE is really good, but I don't really know what to say about Scarsick.
Some good songs, but some aren't that special, and the album as a whole hasn't been as enjoyable as the rest.

Album rankings right now:

1. The Perfect Element
2. Entropia
3. BE
--
4. Remedy Lane
--
5. Road Salt One
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick

Note that this may change in a week or so.
I find it really hard to pick a favorite, TPE is probably the one that feels the most perfect, but I've really enjoyed BE a lot, despite not hearing the live-version or read anything about the actual concept, and I still really love Entropia.
It is much rawer and unpolished, but it has all those qualities that makes PoS... PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 13, 2011, 07:29:24 PM
Scarsick may need A LOT of time to grow, but when it finally clicks... it's absolutely amazing. I also had very mixed feelings about it at first (and it was the first album I got :P), then I got TPE and Remedy Lane, and when I tried it again and got into it more... wow. It's very, very dark and not really optimistic (even though it is idealistic), but it's an incredible album. There are very few which make me get into the atmosphere as much as Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Scarsick is kinda.. I don't know how to explain it.
The lyrics would be the biggest problem, seeing as some songs are good musically, but slightly dragged down by some bad lyrics here and there.
It's not a bad album, but I much prefer the others so far. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
Scarsick is kinda.. I don't know how to explain it.
The lyrics would be the biggest problem, seeing as some songs are good musically, but slightly dragged down by some bad lyrics here and there.
It's not a bad album, but I much prefer the others so far. :P


It would be helped a lot by a thick guitar tone. The paper thin one on the album really takes away from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 11:38:17 AM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:39:52 AM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.

I think America could be my least favorite PoS song ever. I guess the banjo break down is cool, but oh my god it's just an annoying song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
I really quite dig it.
Has a weird kind of vibe to it, and it is pretty crazy, but it manages to get a lot of stuff into 4 minutes or so. (cant remember the length of it)
I first heard it on Second Death of, and it was kinda cool in contrast to Scarsick, the first two songs that clicked for me in general.

How you described 'America' would probably be my description for 'Disco Queen' instead.
That song is probably even more out there, but it doesn't quite grab me in the same way.
I know a lot of people praise 'Enter Rain', and I'll agree that it is one of the better songs on the album overall, though it hasn't quite clicked for me yet, not in the same way as the other epic closing songs at least. (Plains of Dawn, The Perfect Element, Beyond the Pale)

Cribcaged and Kingdom of Loss are two good examples of what I mean by 'good songs with somewhat bad lyrics', the former would probably work really well in a Brickwork-type of thing, aka. take a few mins of Cribcaged and forge it together with a few minutes of another song, and it could be really cool.
KoL is great musically, but the "between two bouncing breasts, on a baywatch beach" is just one of several lines that puts me slightly off with the song. :P



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:57:03 AM
I totally agree about Disco Queen, well it's just the chorus that I don't like.........which seems to be everyones favorite part.

And yea, Enter Rain is good, but no where near the other closers. It's just the chorus that drags it down for me, I dunno....I feel nothing from listening to it.

And yea, Kingdom of Loss I think is their most wasted opportunity. The music is great, and so are some of the lyrics, but some of them are just....horrible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on August 15, 2011, 01:21:06 PM
Scarsick may need A LOT of time to grow, but when it finally clicks... it's absolutely amazing.

This. I really disliked Scarsick for many months but after A LOT of time it started clicking song by song beginning with Idiocracy and now I really love every song on that album.

I agree that the chorus in Enter Rain isn't that great or at least not as great as much it is repeated in the song, and I also think that "fuck this... fuck that..." lyrics in Cribcaged are repeated too much. But those are the only flaws I can think of. Scarsick is real masterpiece and while TPE and RL which used to be my favorites few years ago didn't age well Scarsick aged very well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
I really like the second half of the album, but the first half... kinda sucks. Makes for a weird listening experience.

Also, Kingdom of Loss is a terrible follow-up to King of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 08:42:46 PM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
I really like the second half of the album, but the first half... kinda sucks. Makes for a weird listening experience.

Also, Kingdom of Loss is a terrible follow-up to King of Loss.

They really should have named that song something different, because it's musically quite good, even some good lyrics "if you're tearing down my world...." and so forth, but it doesn't seem connected to King of Loss, which is an opus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
I'm actually really not at all that impressed with it either musically or lyrically. Daniel's spoken word part just annoys me.

Fortunately, after KoL, the album really seems to pick up steam. Mrs. Modern Mother Mary -> Enter Rain is all pretty good. I always have to resist skipping tracks to get to that part when listening to the full album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 08:49:14 PM
I'm actually really not at all that impressed with it either musically or lyrically. Daniel's spoken word part just annoys me.

Fortunately, after KoL, the album really seems to pick up steam. Mrs. Modern Mother Mary -> Enter Rain is all pretty good. I always have to resist skipping tracks to get to that part when listening to the full album.

When I listen to Scarsick (which I admit........isn't often), I skip to track 6. And I have to suffer through some AWFUL lyrics in Idiocracy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 16, 2011, 02:07:44 AM
For me the only unimpressive song on the album is Mrs. Modern Mother Mary, but only musically, because lyrically it's also very sad and very true. The others all have something amazing about them, some clicked very quickly (the title track got me into the album and - yes - band overall; Kingdom of Loss; of course Enter Rain), some took plenty of time but when they did it was like being enlightened (Spitfall and Flame To The Moth are top of the list).

For me the album is humanity's greatest masterpiece in the "owned with your own weapons" category. It talks about everything that's fucked up in the modern world using all sorts of modern music and terms, and it's straightforward about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2011, 06:08:49 AM
For me, it's my fav POS release and every song is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 16, 2011, 01:13:41 PM
Scarsick = how to (essentially) drop the guitar solo and still make a great record.

I think America could be my least favorite PoS song ever. I guess the banjo break down is cool, but oh my god it's just an annoying song.

really?! america's not only "fun" (which is kinda few n far between with POS) but one of the few songs of daniel's i feel comfortable throwing on a playlist for a social gathering.

the only scarsick song that i'd say doesn't leave me feeling totally satisfied is enter rain.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2011, 01:39:20 PM
Sorry, can't stand America.


In fact I guess you could say I'm sick of America.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2011, 03:01:47 PM
:hat

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/RS2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 16, 2011, 03:09:34 PM
What o_O
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 16, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
dammitnick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2011, 03:14:23 PM
:hat

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/RS2.jpg)


2 Questions.


1. Where did you get it?
2. Is it as lame as I think it's going to be?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 16, 2011, 03:16:47 PM
Nick acquired it illegally. The whole leak-hating thing has been an act all along.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2011, 03:19:21 PM
I'm fairly sure he got a promo version. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on August 16, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
Oh, that's the new album. This whole time I thought Nick was calling out Adami for something, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on August 16, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
My money's on a photoshop.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 16, 2011, 04:12:16 PM
nick > the rest of us

at least he aint flaunting a new t shirt with it this time (just remembering his early beardfish copy)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2011, 04:19:20 PM
Nick got new POS and Redemption, lucky bastard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
My money's on a photoshop.

Not really.
A friend of mine has had the album for quite a while now, sadly for me he won't share it. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 16, 2011, 07:56:38 PM
I request the entire new album for next Monday night Nick.

DO IT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2011, 08:58:47 PM
Can't play from the album yet, but hopefully by Monday I'll have a review done. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 16, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
Interested to see that; let us know when it's posted.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Vahvahenki on August 24, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
I hate to bump this thread for a question of this silliness but what about PoS merch? Was Scarsick not only an album but a statement coinciding with a lack of available merchandise?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on August 26, 2011, 06:07:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6YCf6qqqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6YCf6qqqU)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on August 26, 2011, 06:34:15 AM
Sounds extremely similar to Road Salt One, not surprisingly.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 26, 2011, 06:57:36 AM
I actually REALLY, really like what I'm hearing. :) I didn't dislike a single song I heard. This might turn out to be a much better album than I thought.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 26, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Ah awesome! Really liked the sound of that, now I can't wait for the album  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2011, 07:28:55 AM
I'm holding my judgement, it seems okay, but I'm not keen to make a solid opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 26, 2011, 07:43:38 AM
I'm the exact opposite, I love it already even though I've only heard 30 sec clips  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 26, 2011, 09:07:03 AM
I liked all but two of the samples.

Conditioned just sounded boring, and Physics of Gridlock just sounded....................weird.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on August 26, 2011, 09:34:25 AM
Samples sounds good! This shall be interesting! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dynia on August 26, 2011, 11:25:41 AM
The samples sound okay. Not good enough to make me really excited about the new album, but i'm not disappointed by them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 26, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
I wont listen until the album comes out, but I am excited about it at least.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on August 26, 2011, 04:04:04 PM
PoS are just an awesome fucking band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 26, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Is there a place to preorder RS2 yet? Each time I check their webpage, I'm overwhelmed by the uselessness of it and am forced to leave.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2011, 01:36:48 AM
On another note, unrelated to all the RS2-talk, I have gotten quite the PoS-collection these last weeks or so.
I own these in physical copies:

*Entropia
*One Hour By the Concrete Lake
*The Perfect Element
*Remedy Lane
*12:5
*BE
*BE (Original Stage Production)
*Scarsick
*The Second Death of (2 CD)
*Linoleum EP
*Road Salt One (Limited Edition)

And I'm waiting on The Second Death of (DVD), when I get that, I only need RS2 when it comes, out of the official released stuff. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 27, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
^ nice!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 27, 2011, 04:14:39 AM
Those samples were great, I liked every one of them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2011, 04:59:44 AM
Love the samples, very excited about the album!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on August 28, 2011, 12:23:09 AM
Really like the samples! The theme in ending credits and 1979 is so beautiful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 28, 2011, 04:19:43 AM
On another note, unrelated to all the RS2-talk, I have gotten quite the PoS-collection these last weeks or so.
I own these in physical copies:

*Entropia
*One Hour By the Concrete Lake
*The Perfect Element
*Remedy Lane
*12:5
*BE
*BE (Original Stage Production)
*Scarsick
*The Second Death of (2 CD)
*Linoleum EP
*Road Salt One (Limited Edition)

And I'm waiting on The Second Death of (DVD), when I get that, I only need RS2 when it comes, out of the official released stuff. :)

I'm missing the Ashes single here though. I have everything you listed including that and 'the painful chronicles'  :millahhhh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 28, 2011, 07:40:22 AM
"This video is private.
Sorry about that."

GARGH NEED TO HEAR SAMPLES
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 28, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
In case ya'll missed it here...

https://www.wpapu.com/rev054.html
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 28, 2011, 09:46:46 AM
In case ya'll missed it here...

https://www.wpapu.com/rev054.html

So you hated it then.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2011, 12:34:49 PM
I'm finally starting to really like The Perfect Element (song). Although the first few minutes still feel like getting cockblocked to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 28, 2011, 11:31:17 PM
WUT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 28, 2011, 11:33:18 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 29, 2011, 02:13:10 PM
are they listing the two bonus tracks of the limited edition correctly (repeats of the last 2 tracks)?

i kinda thought if it had bonus tracks, we'd get the other two tracks off the linoleum ep
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 29, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.

Who hates it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 29, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.
It's one of their most highly regarded songs. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 29, 2011, 05:10:54 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.

Who hates it?
I dunno, I always see people here ragging on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 29, 2011, 06:42:27 PM
^
no, theyre raging on it; or at least should be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 29, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
I'm just starting to get into PoS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 30, 2011, 08:28:28 AM
The front cover of RS2 looks even better than RS1 too
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2011, 08:42:19 AM
The front cover of RS2 looks even better than RS1 too

I don't really like the cover for RS1, but the new one looks much better. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 30, 2011, 08:47:10 AM
Why not?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2011, 08:58:38 AM
Well, for starters I'm not really much for white/really bright covers.
There are exceptions that I feel are done really well, and then I can't complain much.
To me the cover of RS1 looks like some Christian-music, something spiritual I guess.

Meanwhile RS2 looks much darker, and I just think it looks much cooler in general.
If if will work well with the music on the album is something I can't tell yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on August 30, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
Is there a place to preorder RS2 yet? Each time I check their webpage, I'm overwhelmed by the uselessness of it and am forced to leave.

I was trying to figure this out last night.  I went to Amazon and it looks like it's only available for pre-order in Europe right now, not the U.S.  Not sure why. The release date is pretty close.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 01:14:32 PM
https://www.insideoutshop.de/product_info.php?products_id=2335&osCsid=ccd4206febeeb6517f536b0ffe236ac5

as i mentioned, the two bonus tracks be tripping me out
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on August 30, 2011, 01:53:54 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...

Both of those sound like possible counterparts to RS1 songs.  Break Darling Break to Sleeping Under the Stars and Of Salt to Of Dust.  That'd be interesting if they were. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 02:58:39 PM
thanx for the inside info, mirzek.

good points, clairvoyant. i think you're onto something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on August 30, 2011, 03:28:36 PM
SEMEN STAINS WASH OUT SURPRISINGLY EASILY
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Why must it be an error? The bonus track on RS1 was the first track! And it makes sense to put them in somewhere appropriate on the album, rather than after "Ending Credits". :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
Bonus tracks in the middle don't sound good to me. Sounds like it's not going to be a particularly coherent album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 04:28:40 PM
How can you possibly say that when you having even heard the songs or how they fit in yet? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 04:30:07 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 30, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
Thorn Clown is in the middle of Remedy Lane. The album flows just fine without it.

That said, I really wish they'd stop doing this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Why must it be an error? The bonus track on RS1 was the first track! And it makes sense to put them in somewhere appropriate on the album, rather than after "Ending Credits". :P

1.   Road Salt Theme   Pain Of Salvation   04:44   
2.   Softly She Cries   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
3.   Conditioned   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
4.   Healing Now   Pain Of Salvation   04:29   
5.   To the Shoreline   Pain Of Salvation   03:03   
6.   Eleven   Pain Of Salvation   06:55   
7.   1979   Pain Of Salvation   02:52   
8.   The Deeper Cut   Pain Of Salvation   06:10   
9.   Mortar Grind   Pain Of Salvation   05:46   
10.   Through The Distance   Pain Of Salvation   02:56   
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
12.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   
13.   The Physics Of Gridlock   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
14.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Oh that listing is definitely an error, yeah. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 30, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

It's not my favorite album, but I still love it. It's probably 5th on my list, above RS1, and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 05:20:11 PM
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
I'm talking about PoS themselves. I think basically every pre-RS album simply shouldn't be changed and such thing as bonus tracks simply isn't an option (I can't really imagine how RL with the bonus track works). If this time they're adding bonuses and now it's not even an intro but two songs in the middle then it's obvious to me it's even less album-focused than RS1 and much more just a set of individual songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 06:25:54 PM
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 06:28:09 PM
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
...what?

I know, I'm just pointing that out. I'm not really happy about that but I can't say I'm very surprised either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 07:12:53 PM
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?

i know. its extra messed up.

Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

it isn't. it's exactly the the type of follow up to entropia i woulda expected. and that ain't a bad thing, that's a good thing. daniel himself seems to have issues with the album for some reason, though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 31, 2011, 12:11:33 AM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

I really like it myself!
Like Adami said, I would prolly rank it over RS1 and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 05:43:01 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 31, 2011, 05:46:50 AM
Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 06:42:30 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 07:15:47 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
Because obviously the He from TPE1 was perfectly alright with the world around him, he was perfectly suited to it and he was like the model citizen. And on Scarsick it's like BAM, a sudden 180 degrees turn!

It's fine if you dislike Scarsick but creating a massive ideology around it isn't the best path, especially if it doesn't make sense.

Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
Yes but it was the Japanese edition, not just the digipack version of the regular edition. It's not like I hate it or something, just saying that it probably means it's not going to be much of a concept album just like RS1; it doesn't make me rage, I'm just not very happy about it. That's all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 07:19:52 AM
A massive ideology? Nothing I posted didn't make sense, Daniel feels the exact same way as the character on Scarsick, he went from deep emotional rages about his parents raising him to complaining about fast food.


Really?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 31, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 09:08:05 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:05:28 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.

No no, it's definitely possible and logical, just not likely. What's more likely is that Daniel just wrote a bunch of lyrics from his own point of view and then attributed them to Him so that the album didn't come off as totally self centered.........which it did anyway.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.

I remember hearing that originally BE (musically speaking) was going to be TPEII, but then it became BE. Then I heard from Johan I believe that Daniel was putting off doing TPEIII till he could record it with an orchestra, however now that Daniel hates any form of music made after 1979, it's hard to tell if it will be made and what form it will take.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
I'm actually kind of expecting him to get his "experiment" ideas out and then maybe fall back on TPE III as a way to go back to the Remedy Lane style.

At least, I fucking hope that's what will happen. I really miss that stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 31, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.

Damn I kinda was hoping for a lesbian thing. Tell me if you get bored of Rich  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
She pours herself another glass of wine
Tells herself yet another time she's fine

Never thought that you were conditioned
Never thought that you could be sold... or controlled

Hear me now
Remove these old scars from my soul
Hear me now
Unhinge this stressed skin from our bones

;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Sequel to Sisters? PLEASE LET IT BE SO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 31, 2011, 01:01:16 PM
HOLY FUCKING GOD I WANT THIS ALBUM SO BAD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?

The wine angle gives it a connection to Sisters. Just asking. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
No, I'm just saying that each stanza is from a different song on the new album, they aren't all from one song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 31, 2011, 01:07:42 PM
give it to us
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:12:21 PM
That's what her and her friend said.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
A massive ideology? Nothing I posted didn't make sense, Daniel feels the exact same way as the character on Scarsick, he went from deep emotional rages about his parents raising him to complaining about fast food.


Really?
You just exaggerated so hard my desk broke...

He was an idealist who couldn't fit into society. In TPE1 it was mostly personal issues, in TPE2 there's a whole lot of things fucked up in a greater perspective he can't stand. No, it's not just fast food. People don't kill themselves because they hate fast food, even fictional artistic creations. We're talking about things like hypocrisy, inequality, religious fanaticism in what's supposed to be a modern and progressive society (-> Mrs Modern Mother Mary), and most of all, having the choice of either "closing your eyes" and ignoring everything that's wrong in order to be happy, or being aware of all that shit that happens which leads most likely to dying unhappy an in conflict with everything around - which he does.

I'm trying to put it in a civilised way but it simply pisses me off when someone tries to destroy the value of something which is a very interesting artistic creation, but is simply not very accessible. You don't like it, fine. But trying to make it sound like a gorilla recorded random screams and released it as an album just because you don't like it is not a good thing.

(Yes I just exaggerated too. But for a good reason I believe.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 04, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgC2x7FYdA

The studio version of Conditioned was played on Morow. 

I really like it.  The second half is very cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 04, 2011, 11:53:34 AM
Always loved the sound of Condtioned.

Can't wait for RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on September 04, 2011, 01:11:55 PM
^ Pretty cool song, can't wait for the album  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 04, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
That whole song rules, but the second half is especially awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on September 04, 2011, 07:12:20 PM
Listening to the new song right now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgC2x7FYdA

The studio version of Conditioned was played on Morow. 

I really like it.  The second half is very cool.
That's pretty awesome.

Really looking forward to RS2 now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lodeus on September 04, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Anyone no where to pre-order this for people in the US. Its pretty expensive at Amazon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Anyone no where to pre-order this for people in the US. Its pretty expensive at Amazon.
cmdistro has the US preorders up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lodeus on September 04, 2011, 08:19:05 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 11, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.

and

I was going through some old ticket stubs and was looking over my original Prog Nation 09 stub that still had Pain of Salvation written on it and it is really a shame they couldn't make it. Didn't even know who they were at the time, but I was getting into them in preparation for that specific concert only for it all to go pair shaped at the last minute. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on September 12, 2011, 02:34:26 AM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.
It really is man  :)


According to Rate You Music, Road Salt Two is their best album. Weird.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Can't wait for Road Salt Two, I liked the first one, but didn't really find any stand-out songs, and I'm hoping that RS2 might be even better. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 12, 2011, 04:55:05 AM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.
It really is man  :)


According to Rate You Music, Road Salt Two is their best album. Weird.

I'd probably chalk it up to the fact that there are only 8 ratings so far. 

although

[spoilers]
As it stands now, I can easily see it being one of my favorite records from them.  There are some real standout tracks, especially To The Shoreline, which is a goddamn perfect song, and The Deeper Cut as well.  I've had the promo for about a week and it's still been growing on me.  There are a few tracks that drag it down, but I think the overall quality is considerably stronger than Road Salt Two, which I also loved. 
[/spoilers]
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 12, 2011, 05:12:44 AM
You can listen to 'Eleven' on this webpage:

https://metalkiller54.blogspot.com/2008/05/atrox-trilogie-binocluar.html

Wait for the jukebox to load up on the right side of the page.

Sounds good!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 12, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
RS2 is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2011, 11:45:32 AM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
As much as I like RS1, it doesn't have any standout songs for me personally.
Yeah there are some great ones like Sisters, but if I compiled a top20 PoS-list, it would be RS1-free.

Anyhow, can't say anything about RS2 since I haven't heard it yet, but I have high hopes for it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 12, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
I am glad that after all these years I still am capable of surprising people lol. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 12, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
As bad as RS1 was

I lost you right there. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
INTO THE WILD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
INTO THE WILD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 12, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
I am glad that after all these years I still am capable of surprising people lol. :)

That's not a person, that's a cat.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 12, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.

Please tell me those aren't lyrics on the album. Please.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.

Please tell me those aren't lyrics on the album. Please.
I shall not tell you that. Nor deny it.






SPOILER ALERT






I think the lyrics aren't on par with their best work (BE, RL, TPE etc.) but they are still pretty good. Although I haven't listened to them very intensly so my opinion on them might change
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 14, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
This band is pretty much owning my life right now. I can not stop listening to them and I can not get them out of my head. The last time I felt like this was when I discovered Porcupine Tree.

I listened to Water, off of Concrete Lake, about 5 times today, and the whole album itself 3 times.  Damn they are good.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on September 14, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
So is Ascend I and II actually from something or is that just something they do on 12:5? I like that instrumental.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 14, 2011, 11:49:34 PM
So is Ascend I and II actually from something or is that just something they do on 12:5? I like that instrumental.

Ascend I is Idioglossia, and Ascend II is the instrumental-section of Her Voices.  :)

Personally I love 12:5, quite possibly my favorite PoS-release.  :heart

Phoenix87x @ I love Water! Such a great song, and IMO very underrated among fans, but I rank it as one of the best on One Hour.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on September 15, 2011, 05:55:22 AM
Phoenix87x @ I love Water! Such a great song, and IMO very underrated among fans, but I rank it as one of the best on One Hour.

I agree it's very underrated song I'm not sure I've ever seen it discussed before so it's nice to finally see some appreciation for that song 2:43-3:29 is the best part. What an amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2011, 06:00:41 AM
It's really a great tune, the first thing that clicked was the chorus, really amazing.
Hopefully they'll play it live in the future somehow, they could probably break it down and make a brickwork-type of song out of it, or just play it as it is. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 16, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
Flush.

and Flush!



and WEEEEEEEEEEEEE FLUSH!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: VioletS16 on September 16, 2011, 02:46:29 PM
What album would you suggest someone who likes some PoS to get? I am not sure but it seems The Perfect Element ranks high on everyones list. suggestions?  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 16, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Well, it depends which PoS you like already, but I think TPE and Remedy Lane are awesome starters...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 17, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Well, it depends which PoS you like already, but I think TPE and Remedy Lane are awesome starters...

There is not a better back-to-back double in prog history than the TPE and RL.

Both are ridiculously good albums. And I find it very, very hard to seperate the two.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 17, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
RL hasn't aged as well as I would have liked.

TPE1
Scarsick
BE
RL
RS1
Entropia
OH
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 02:50:28 PM
RL never really clicked as much as TPE did for me, RL does have A Trace of Blood and Beyond the Pale, but I think TPE as a whole is much better, and has more wow-songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 03:26:25 PM
RL is one of my least favorites of theirs.  There's a few too many weak tracks on it compared to the consistency of some of their others.  I know there's a lot of negative energy towards it here, but Scarsick is an album where I find it very difficult to pick a clear weaker track or a favorite.  Same goes for TPE, and even BE, to an extent.  That's probably what makes those three my favorites. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
I couldn't really get into Scarsick to be honest, I do love Flame to the Moth, the title-track and America, but the rest doesn't do much for me sadly.
I'm not suggesting that it's bad, but just nothing that clicked really. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
Well, for me it was a huge grower.  When it first leaked I wasn't wild about it, I might have even disliked it a bit.  It took a while.  I'm not saying people who don't like it haven't tried it enough, but just keep that mind. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
I couldn't really get into Scarsick to be honest, I do love Flame to the Moth, the title-track and America, but the rest doesn't do much for me sadly.
I'm not suggesting that it's bad, but just nothing that clicked really. :/
It took a while, but I eventually found that the second half of Scarsick is pretty great. Really great actually.

It's unfortunate that, aside from the title-track (and Disco Queen, but I know lots of people hate that song) I really, actively dislike the first half.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 17, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
RL is every bit as good as TPE. Every bit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 04:12:40 PM
Time for album-rankings, because why not?

1. The Perfect Element
2. Entropia
3. BE
--
4. Remedy Lane
--
5. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
6. Road Salt One
7. Scarsick (sorry Seth!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 17, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Road Salt 2
Scarsick
Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Road Salt 1
------------------------
Entropia
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
------------------------
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
Oh Nick you and your BE-hatin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Scarsick
BE
Road Salt Two
TPE
Road Salt One
Entropia
Remedy Lane
OHBTCL

...not fully comfortable with placing RS2 in the ranking yet, but I did anyway. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Entropia
-------------
Road Salt One
Scarsick
-------------
lolbe
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 17, 2011, 04:51:49 PM
I like you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
I like you.
:tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on September 17, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
TPE
Remedy Lane
Entropia
OHBTCL
Scarsick
Road Salt One
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 10:04:18 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on September 17, 2011, 10:31:30 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
It's both silly and boring.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 10:32:37 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
It's both silly and boring.
No and double no. It's one of my top 15 albums ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 17, 2011, 10:33:01 PM
BE (Live version) is about as good as Entropia and Remedy Lane, not as good as TPE, better than OHBTCL and WAYYYYYYYYYYY better than Scarsick or Road Salt 1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 18, 2011, 04:16:33 AM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me. But I also really enjoyed the first...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 18, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Be
The Perfect Element
Road Salt 1
(12:5)
Remedy Lane
Scarsick = Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 18, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on September 18, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.

Maybe it already leaked. I'm not sure. I've no desire to check it out. I wasn't a fan of Road Salt One or or Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Just picked up Entropia and Scarsick. I am very excited.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
Just picked up Entropia and Scarsick. I am very excited.

Entropia is one of their best albums IMO, just an amazing experience.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 20, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
I have it (promo copy) and it's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
I have it (promo copy) and it's fucking awesome.

better than RS1?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2011, 02:20:12 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.

I don't quite get the complaint about the production on One Hour.
In some ways I can think that it sounds a bit flat, but on the other hand, I don't think it's a problem really.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2011, 03:32:45 PM
Yeah I agree, I have never had a problem with the production on One Hour either.  I really don't see how it could detract from the listening experience of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.

I don't quite get the complaint about the production on One Hour.
In some ways I can think that it sounds a bit flat, but on the other hand, I don't think it's a problem really.

Oh well.

It just sounds...wrong. It's distracting and makes the music far less enjoyable than it should be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
PoS have never had "great" production. My main issue with the One Hour are the kick drums, and at times the Keys sound too thin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 20, 2011, 06:35:29 PM
I think that the production has improved exponentially since Daniel took over.  In particular, I love the sound of Scarsick.  Really nicely mixed album, and the guitar sounds are perfect.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
I think that the production has improved exponentially since Daniel took over.  In particular, I love the sound of Scarsick.  Really nicely mixed album, and the guitar sounds are perfect.

Really? I thought the guitar sounds awful on Scarsick. Not so much the tone, but it's just soooooooooooo thin. The drums finally sounded good, but the guitars sounded like awful cheap plug ins. They need to stop using Line 6 and use real amps.


RS1 has awful production as well. In fact the only album who's production I think perfectly suits the style is The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 21, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
When I think about PoS, I don't really think of 'OMG Awesome'-production.
It doesn't really bother me on any of their albums, but on the other hand I think that a good production would have enhanced their albums even more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 21, 2011, 05:47:35 PM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 21, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
What I find somewhat funny is that when PoS become more rockish and straight up music like, their fan's say they are "experimenting." It's just kind of funny.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 21, 2011, 10:33:49 PM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D
:metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 01:41:24 AM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D

That song doesn't get nearly as much as praise as it should!  :hefdaddy

Entropia is just so fantastic overall, songs like Foreword, Winning a War, People Passing By, Oblivion Ocean, Night Mist, Plains of Dawn and Leaving Entropia.  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 22, 2011, 06:53:09 AM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D

That song doesn't get nearly as much as praise as it should!  :hefdaddy

Entropia is just so fantastic overall, songs like Foreword, Winning a War, People Passing By, Oblivion Ocean, Night Mist, Plains of Dawn and Leaving Entropia.  :heart

This!

Definitely their most underrated! Seriously. I know that word gets tossed around a lot, but everyone thinks TPE or RL are the best. Entropia is awesome too!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
Personally I'd say Entropia, TPE and BE would be my favorites, probably in that order.  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 11:57:06 AM
What I find somewhat funny is that when PoS become more rockish and straight up music like, their fan's say they are "experimenting." It's just kind of funny.

They were. Doing something different is experimenting. If DT started doing rap, that would be experimenting as well.

It's not going away from the mainstream, it's just going away from what you normally do.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 04:49:15 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.

There's nothing ironic about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
*sigh*

Need I continue arguing?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 05:16:32 PM
*sigh*

Need I continue arguing?

I know not. Need you?


We should try posting like that completely. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
The definition of irony: incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity

So, when I hear the world "experimental," I immediately jump to what usually constitues as "experimental." If I had no previous conceptions about PoS and someone said they just released their most "experimental" album yet, I'd think it would sound spacey, prog rocky, Pink Floyd/Radioheadish, but no...it is "experimental" because it is more forward and less proggy. My expectations are different than reality, thus, irony.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pirate on September 22, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
You would expect 'experimental' to indicate the music is similar in style to previous outputs (regardless of what band it came from)? I suppose if that's really what PoS arrived at after experimenting, then whatever, but it's not like there is an "experimental" genre, including descriptions like spacey Pink Floyd/Radioheadish. Experimenting within a band can result in any sound really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bss4life15 on September 22, 2011, 07:37:13 PM
I want to try to get into these guys.  I've seen the music videos for Ashes and Lioleum and really loved them, any recommendations to what albums i should start with?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 22, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
any recommendations to what albums i should start with?

The album I started with was the Perfect Element Part 1. Now that was maybe 8 weeks ago and I am now obsessed with them. Perfect Element is gargantuan in what it brings to the table, so it took a few spins before I really fell in love with it. 

 



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 22, 2011, 08:12:56 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.

I understand exactly where you're coming from and completely understand  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 23, 2011, 05:58:13 AM
It might just be my average set-up, but the production on this album sounds fantastic.

Really enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tyrias on September 23, 2011, 06:14:34 AM
So, i just found out PoS are going to open for Opeth at the concert I'm going and i definetely want to check out some of their stuff before I see them live.

Only Question: Where to start?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2011, 06:18:26 AM
So, i just found out PoS are going to open for Opeth at the concert I'm going and i definetely want to check out some of their stuff before I see them live.

Only Question: Where to start?

I think most people will say either The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane.
Personally I'd say The Perfect Element, I think it's much better then Remedy Lane, even though I like the latter as well. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 23, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
Well they'll be playing the latest stuff combined with the classics, so have a listen to TPE (best), and road salt 1/2 (latest)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 23, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
TPE is definitely not 'much better' than RL.

It might be a bit better.

But i'd say RL is their best, just.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ravenheart on September 23, 2011, 04:10:26 PM
Road Salt 2 is most excellent! It's a big step-up from Road Salt 1, which I still enjoyed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dynia on September 23, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
Listening to Road Salt Two right now! I'm halfway in, and it's pretty awesome so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 25, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 08:54:52 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere.

Which songs are the limited edition songs exactly?
I'm a bit unsure there. :P

As for the new album, listening through it for the second time, I'm really enjoying it.
Has a bit more variety then part 1 IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 25, 2011, 09:08:51 AM
Break Darling Break and Of Salt. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 09:12:57 AM
Oh, I don't have those on the RS2 I have on my computer. :/
But when I'm buying the album, I'll most likely grab the Limited Edition, so I can just rip it to my comp then I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 25, 2011, 10:43:22 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 10:55:34 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.

What if I don't have a turntable?  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on September 25, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere.

Of Salt is truly wonderful!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
Here we go. First listen of Road Salt Two. I'm not that confident in it from the style I've heard it has, but here we go...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 25, 2011, 11:36:00 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.

What if I don't have a turntable?  ;)

Get one.

Consistant albums from start to finish (Like RS2) are meant for vinyl.

Plus with the 70's vibe going on, it makes sense.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
So the album is pretty damned good. Exceeded my expectations for sure. *engages flameshield* Sounds kinda like Down in places though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: njdtfan on September 25, 2011, 08:59:43 PM
Great album. as usual from POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 26, 2011, 11:29:23 AM
Braeking Darling Break... wtf that flute at the end?

edit: why was of salt a bonus track?

in fact, why are any of the extra songs on rs1/2 bonus tracks? Did the band ever mention why? They don't exactly feel like b-sides.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: perfectchaos180 on September 27, 2011, 10:02:14 PM
Road Salt Two was better than I was expecting

I hated Road Salt One at first, but most of the songs have grown on me (Innocence is phenomenal), and I've been obsessed with this band for the past couple of months

Softly She Cries and The Deeper Cut were really good

Mortar Grind was amazing

Disappointed in the final track so far (and by that I mean the Physics of Gridlock), its usually the best one :(

I like the orchestral stuff, but since it is a double album it kind of doesn't fit....
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lelanddt on September 27, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
Guys...........Vocari Dei and Pluvius Aestivus are unbelievable songs! I know, I'm probably three albums too late. But Still!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 27, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest. Its emotional and has this heavenly atmosphere. The messages are among the best emotion I've heard, its one song I will never ever get tired of, and when I read the track by track concept before I bought the album, this track was the one that had me interested, for the concept of the song and how they executed it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 27, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lelanddt on September 27, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.

Maybe not the best of all time, but incredibly beautiful, elegant, and simple. It doesn't need to be long or complex. It's really special!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on September 28, 2011, 07:00:00 AM
I never got the love for Vocari Dei. Latericius + Omni is much much better imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on September 28, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
So, I'm after my first listen of RS2. :)

The first impression is definitely good, I think better than it was with RS1. My favourites this far are:
The Deeper Cut - this song really has a lot of character. (I don't know how to explain it better.) It's just... strong. And I love the repeated "into the wild...".
Through The Distance - beautiful. As simple as that.
The Physics of Gridlock - well, this song is pretty weird, especially part III, but it's great. Daniel is actually doing really well with French. :p

Also, I LOVE Road Salt Theme and End Credits. They give the album that feeling of being a well-constructed piece and an actual album, rather than randomly placed songs which was my major issue with RS1. Also, the album feels much more consistent overall (there's no :hefdaddy song for me yet like Sisters was on RS1, but nothing that I have trouble to listen to the end like She Likes to Hide).

Though a thing I really dislike about both RS albums is the whole "I'm so manly, she's so fragile" theme in the lyrics. Daniel has shown one million of times in the past, and even on RS itself (Sisters again) that he can talk about male-female relations in a much more subtle and emotional way. It brings it down for me a bit, especially compared to songs with really interesting lyrics like Conditioned or Through The Distance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 28, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.

Maybe not the best of all time, but incredibly beautiful, elegant, and simple. It doesn't need to be long or complex. It's really special!

Thats some reasons why I consider it to be the best. One other is how the song doesn't over do it. The samples add to that mystery of who/what god is, but then I'm talking about the live version. Haven't heard the studio version, but since it was played live that alone adds to the magic. Since that is how I judge a songs greatness.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 28, 2011, 02:51:46 PM
To the Shoreline. Wow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 04:53:13 AM
Road Salt Two is really really fantastic.
Quite possibly their best since BE, or maybe even TPE (IMO), and I would rank it as my third favorite PoS-album together with BE, after Entropia and TPE.

Standout songs for me: The Physics of Gridlock, The Deeper Cut, Healing Now and Conditioned.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 02, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
I really like The Deeper Cut (which by the way, according to the lyrics book has a subtitle of "Into the Wild", which is kinda cool), but this won't top Scarsick for me. Not that I think it's their best, I just think it's their last great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 10:22:30 AM
You guys are crazy, To the Shoreline is the best.

Dem vocals.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
To the Shoreline is great, but not top4 on the album for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 11:03:31 AM
I'm really excited for their next album though, as much as I love 70s prog, I've just had too much of it recently.

Scarsick was easily their best mixed album too, I was going back and Remedy Lane / TPE 1 sound really bad compared to BE onwards.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Yeah, I don't care for the "going back to the 70's because it's popular"-thing.
Will be interesting to see what they do next. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 02, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
I'm really excited for their next album though, as much as I love 70s prog, I've just had too much of it recently.

Scarsick was easily their best mixed album too, I was going back and Remedy Lane / TPE 1 sound really bad compared to BE onwards.

I find that the mix on Scarsick is a bit clinical (however well that fits with the subject matter); I think the best mixed is "BE". Although the mixes on Ending Theme and 12:5 are brilliant too
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 02, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
To the Shoreline is great, but not top4 on the album for me.
Agreed.
Yeah, I don't care for the "going back to the 70's because it's popular"-thing.
Will be interesting to see what they do next. :)
And this too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
You guys are crazy, Shoreline is easily top 4.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on October 02, 2011, 05:18:06 PM
As someone who is new to Pain of Salvation, I am loving Road Salt 2.

Now to work my way through the back catalogue  :biggrin:

Any particular album considered a must-have?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 02, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
You guys are crazy, Shoreline is easily top 4.
Well, for me the top four this far is:
Through The Distance
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Softly She Cries

To The Shoreline is very nice, but it doesn't grab me as much as these four (plus Conditioned which would be fifth I think).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
I think I just have a man-crush on the very final bit where he goes a little bit higher (an octave? I'm no technical guy)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 03, 2011, 02:25:57 AM
Rank the songs on the album then.. :P

The Physics of Gridlock
The Deeper Cut
Healing Now
Conditioned
Softly She Cries
To the Shoreline
Eleven
Mortar Grind
1979
Through the Distance
End Credits
Of Salt
Road Salt Theme
Break Darling Break
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 03, 2011, 05:16:23 AM
To the Shoreline
1979
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Eleven
Healing Now
Softly She Cries
Of Salt
Through the Distance
Conditioned
Mortar Grind
End Credits
Road Salt Theme
Break Darling Break
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 03, 2011, 05:19:27 AM
After three listens (and this far I've stuck to the vinyl so no bonus songs yet):
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Softly She Cries
1979
Conditioned
Eleven
Through The Distance
To The Shoreline
Healing Now
Mortar Grind

I do not rank Road Salt Theme and End Credits, because I love both but can't find a way to fairly compare them with the rest.

Softly She Cries, 1979 and Eleven are going up my list very quickly. Through The Distance on the other hand fell down a bit. It's a very consistent album overall, I put Healing Now second lowest but I still like it very very much (and it also grows on me a bit). The only song I have issues with is Mortar Grind - it sounds a bit muddy, and I really dislike the lyrics. Though the way they sing "MORTAR GRIND" is amazing.

Also, does anyone know what's the meaning of "eleven"? (Other than that it's actually repeated 11 times during the song)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 03, 2011, 06:29:41 AM
Through the Distance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 04, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
I'm now enjoying RS2 in ways RS1 never did. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
RS1 is still fairly meh for me, but RS2 is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 04, 2011, 12:23:11 PM
I love both. No idea which I prefer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 04, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
Though a thing I really dislike about both RS albums is the whole "I'm so manly, she's so fragile" theme in the lyrics. Daniel has shown one million of times in the past, and even on RS itself (Sisters again) that he can talk about male-female relations in a much more subtle and emotional way. It brings it down for me a bit, especially compared to songs with really interesting lyrics like Conditioned or Through The Distance.
Exactly what I'd been thinking. However, I love this album, which is great since their previous two disappointed me.

Also, my favourite is Mortar Grind. Even if it does sound like Down.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 04, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Actually, when I look at it now only Mortar Grind has this problem on RS2. RS1 had too much of this though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 08, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
Just got my CD and t-shirt today and I'm listening now.

Wow, this is soooooo much better than Road Salt One so far (which I liked quite a bit). The jam section in Eleven is so much fun.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2011, 04:40:03 AM
Still getting my head around this album.  RS1 took a long time to grow on me so I'm guessing this one is the same.  A lot of the melodies on RS2 seem stronger though.  I would have liked some more heavier songs, but the diversity of the material here is exceptional.  It's amazing how this band has never made the same album twice. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 09, 2011, 06:14:27 AM
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Through the Distance
Healing Now
1979
To the Shorline
Eleven
Conditioned
End Credits
Mortar Grind
Softly She Cried ( EDIT: Solfly She Cries not cried.)
Road Salt Theme

Amazing album  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 09, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
Softly She Cried [second last]
[softly he cries]

But... but... it's a great song :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 09, 2011, 05:02:35 PM
Softly She Cried [second last]
[softly he cries]

But... but... it's a great song :(

It's an awesome song! Doesn't mean I don't like it because it's near the bottom, I love them all  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 10, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
Yay :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 10, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
Me while listening to the fast jammy section in the middle of Healing Now: 

(https://i.imgur.com/Arko5.gif)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on October 10, 2011, 04:08:34 PM
So they had a show here, some guy has uploaded a few songs with decent quality. Here's Ashes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aOVDvudZBU
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 11, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
That fuckin' song still gives me chills.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 11, 2011, 08:19:11 AM
My greatest wish is Enter Rain live. And in general more Scarsick songs in the rotation, I don't see why there can't be 3 in every setlist, I know it's a pretty controversial album but on Ending Themes you can really see people get into them. They have a lot of energy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 11, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
I can only speak for myself, and the fact that I don't like Scarsick that much, apart from a few really good songs it has.
However, I think their earlier catalog is SO good, and RS2 brought so many good tracks to the table, that if I would make up a wish-setlist, there wouldn't be much room for any Scarsick songs left.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 12, 2011, 11:47:19 AM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 12, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
RS2 only comes out over here in two weeks... WTF
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 12, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

Yes, you are crazy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 12, 2011, 01:10:51 PM
(https://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Oh-Chicken-Strip-You-So-Crazy-300x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 12, 2011, 01:52:58 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

Yes, you are crazy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 12, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

You were already crazy.  This more or less confirms you're a terrible human being.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 12, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

I like RS1 a lot more than RS2. RS2's out of the box songs like "To the Shoreline" are a step-forward, but almost all the 70s sounding stuff is a huge step back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 12, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
RS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on October 12, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Wait...wait...wait...

RS1=RS2
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 12, 2011, 11:40:09 PM
RS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS1

This.
RS2 is about a 4,5/5 album for me, meanwhile RS1 would be a 3/5 album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 03:18:39 AM
Wait...wait...wait...

RS1=RS2
This.

Both are amazing, I don't think I can really choose between them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 13, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
I'd say they're both as good as each other.

There's no way RS2 is miles better than RS1, and the same vice-versa.

Personally, as much as I dig the new stuff, I think it's time for a new direction already. More prog rock/metal, please.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2011, 06:17:59 AM
Yeah the 70's thing is fairly lame for me.
They did two albums, one good and one great (as I see it), and something new and refreshing would be cool.
Even though I don't care that much for Scarsick as an album, TPE part 3 would be cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 13, 2011, 06:19:34 AM
Like I said, both these album are what, like just under an hour? I think there's a good 30 minutes of great music on each. Two albums probably wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2011, 07:29:06 AM
I love TPE1 and Scarsick, so I would totally welcome part 3.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 13, 2011, 07:40:11 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
I don't think he'll do the same thing as the RS albums again, but I don't expect him to do anything else again either. I imagine he'll explore something else new as he always does.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 13, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
 :tup

Anyway, finally got RS2 yesterday (had to go to three different stores) and will be listening to it on my commute :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 13, 2011, 09:57:35 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Why exactly do you need to "save" something that has two flawless parts this far?

Also, it seems every album starting with BE is a 180 degrees turn. Epic, symphonic and philosophical BE -> dark, ultramodern and down to earth Scarsick -> lively '70s Road Salt.

Conclusion? ELECTRONIC ALBUM INCOMING
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2011, 10:28:15 AM
I would probably enjoy an electronic album more then RS1 and Scarsick to be honest, but in terms of variety, I think they hit a homerun with The Perfect Element really.
That album just has loads of variety, and doesn't really have a single weak spot throughout.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 13, 2011, 10:36:43 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Why exactly do you need to "save" something that has two flawless parts this far?
Scarsick is an abomination.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 13, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
I haven't noticed. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 13, 2011, 12:24:34 PM
Scarsick is good though. And I would love to hear an electronic album by them!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 13, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
I don't think he'll do the same thing as the RS albums again, but I don't expect him to do anything else again either. I imagine he'll explore something else new as he always does.

That's fine by me. PoS is always evolving and always making new music.

I don't necessarily want another RL or TPE, either. I'm happy for some new stuff.

Just no more 70's. They are both worthy additions to their discography, and they will be awesome live, but two albums is plenty.

I wouldn't be suprised if Gildenlow decided to go for a heavier approach next time round. That's something they've not quite explored yet.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
I'd love to hear something more electronic from PoS. 1979 showed how amazingly that kind of influence can work.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 13, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
Scarsick is good though. And I would love to hear an electronic album by them!

I'd be interested in seeing how this would work.  They have such an organic sound (especially in the more recent efforts, but throughout their proggy years as well) that it's not easy to imagine how they would create an electronic album and still make it sound like Pain of Salvation.  As far as what's coming next, the only hint I know of is that Daniel said that TPE3 is still to come, and it will be symphonic.  But even that was a while ago, and it's very possible that things have changed.  I can't wait to see where they go next! 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
Can anyone explain why Portnoy seems to always do drums on Ashes whenever possible?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 14, 2011, 04:30:01 AM
Can anyone explain why Portnoy seems to always do drums on Ashes whenever possible?

He likes the song+likes playing with other bands+is ronery
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 14, 2011, 04:34:47 AM
I threw that electronic idea as a joke :lol but it's nice it became a sort of discussion. :)

More seriously, I wouldn't mind an electronic album if it was something darker. I'm not really a fan of electronic music, but there are some uses of it that have impressed me (e.g. Riverside - Hybrid Times outro, which is absolute genius). The Pineapple Thief also nicely combined electronic parts with very energetic and quite heavy riffs. If they go in that direction, I'll be very curious. But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 14, 2011, 11:50:24 AM
But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol

That would seriously be awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 14, 2011, 12:28:05 PM
No... No... No... No. That sounds wrong on an infinite amount of levels.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 14, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
I love Disco Queen. A whole album like that would probably be so good, as long as there was still enough variety!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 15, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
For more thought in speculating about where they are going to go next, Daniel said that To the Shoreline and 1979 were the two songs on the album that were closest to the general direction that he wanted to go from here, or something to that effect.  Presumably that means that we might be getting even more of the folky sound next.  ..Which would be awesome, especially since those two songs are probably my favorites on the album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 15, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Those are my favourites, so that would be bloody amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 16, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Those are both two of the strongest on the album, so that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on October 16, 2011, 11:38:16 AM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 16, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 16, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

My exact thoughts, it's easily the best on the album for me.

Also, according to the lyric booklet its subtitle is "Into the Wild", which is cool
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2011, 01:20:23 PM
I really love Through the Distance. I don't know if it's my favourite but it's definitely up there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 16, 2011, 01:25:07 PM
My favourite is definitely The Deeper Cut and second probably The Physics of Gridlock but not sure what's after them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on October 16, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

I really love The Deeper Cut, those songs weren't my only favorite songs I mentioned those specifically because they were mentioned in previous posts and they all resonate with me so much.

Anyway my favorite songs from RS2 in no particular order are these: Softly She Cries, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, The Physics Of Gridlock

Then not the best but still awesome songs are: Road Salt Theme, Conditioned, Mortar Grind, Through The Distance, End Credits

And both remaining songs Eleven and Break Darling Break are still great but not as good as above

RS2 is really incredible album much better than RS1 (and I loved that one too) I will see how it will age but it has big potential to become my favorite POS album
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Do people bother with the chapter tags in their song titles? officially on musicbrainz the tags have them, and wikipedia has the tracks listed under chapters, meaning the albums go like:
! (foreword)       
Chapter I: Welcome to Entropia       
Chapter I: Winning a War       
Chapter I: People Passing By       
Chapter I: Oblivion Ocean       
Chapter II: Stress       
Chapter II: Revival       
Chapter II: Void of Her       
Chapter II: To the End    
Chapter II: Never Learn to Fly   
Chapter III: Circles       
Chapter III: Nightmist       
Chapter III: Plains of Dawn       
Chapter III: Leaving Entropia (epilogue)

Spirit of the Land       
Part of the Machine: Inside       
Part of the Machine: The Big Machine       
Part of the Machine: New Year's Eve       
Spirit of Man: Handful of Nothing       
Spirit of Man: Water       
Spirit of Man: Home       
Karachay: Black Hills       
Karachay: Pilgrim       
Karachay: Shore Serenity    
Karachay: Inside Out

Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Used    
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": In the Flesh       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Ashes       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Morning on Earth       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Idioglossia       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Her Voices       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Dedication       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": King of Loss       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Reconciliation       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Song for the Innocent       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Falling       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": The Perfect Element       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Epilogue

Of Two Beginnings       
Chapter I: Ending Theme    
Chapter I: Fandango       
Chapter I: A Trace of Blood       
Chapter I: This Heart of Mine (I Pledge)
Chapter I: Thorn Clown   
Chapter I: Undertow       
Chapter II: Rope Ends       
Chapter II: Chain Sling       
Chapter II: Dryad of the Woods       
Chapter III: Remedy Lane       
Chapter III: Waking Every God       
Chapter III: Second Love       
Chapter III: Beyond the Pale

Prologue: Animae Partus ("I Am")       
I. Animae Partus: Deus Nova       
I. Animae Partus: Imago (Homines Partus)    
I. Animae Partus: Pluvius Aestivus       
II. Machinassiah: Lilium Cruentus (Deus Nova)       
II. Machinassiah: Nauticus (Drifting)       
II. Machinassiah: Dea Pecuniae: I. Mister Money - II. Permanere - III. I Raise My Glass    
III. Machinageddon: Vocari Dei       
III. Machinageddon: Diffidentia (Breaching the Core)       
III. Machinageddon: Nihil Morari       
IV. Machinauticus: Latericius Valete    
IV. Machinauticus: Omni       
IV. Machinauticus: Iter Impius       
IV. Machinauticus: Martius/Nauticus II    
V. Deus Nova Mobile: Animae Partus II

BE looks good to me, but the others it seems a bit awkward to look at - especially TPE1.

So do people use any of them or not?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 06:56:57 AM
I don't, except for on 12:5.
That album is the worst album to tag ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 07:19:57 AM
I think I might just have a custom id3 tag called chapter to keep it as a reference, then leave them in on 12:5 and BE (BE's look cool!)

edit: how many of the japanese bonus tracks do people have? I have the Remedy Lane one and it's...not very good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 07:53:30 AM
Thorn Clown?
Pretty good song from what I remember.

The problem with Remedy Lane for me, is that two instrumentals in a row really kills the flow, so the additional song really makes the flow better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 20, 2011, 08:51:30 AM
I don't really consider the title track a proper instrumental, more like an interlude.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 09:58:32 AM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

I don't have anything about instrumental music or so, Post-Rock is my favorite genre and it's in most cases instrumental, but as I said, on an album with vocals, it does kill the flow a bit with 7 instrumental minutes.
Nothing wrong with the songs, cause I do love Dryad of the Woods.  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
I guess I don't mind instrumentals if they are awesome like the title track, so it doesn't wreck the flow for me.

And Thorn Clown is between This Heart and Undertow I think, though there are conflicting reports. the mix on the sound felt weird (and bad), and it doesn't fit  the album at all. It's too heavy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 10:40:13 AM
"The Japanese edition of this album also contains a bonus track titled Thorn Clown (7:23) that fits in between " Dryad of the Woods" and "Remedy Lane"."

That's what I've heard everywhere tbh, but I mostly listen to the album as it is. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on October 20, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
I always found it interesting that a non-all-instrumental album would have two instrumentals back to back.  That seems pretty unique to me, as I can't think of any other albums with such an occurrence.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 07:37:43 AM
Wow.


The limited edition of RS2 adds so much. The two extra tracks make it more of a second part album, instead of a follow up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 21, 2011, 08:32:32 AM
https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/johan-leaves-pos/ (https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/johan-leaves-pos/)

Noooooooooo! :( Dammit, why does everyone leave this band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 21, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
Holy shit.

I truly treasure the albums PoS made pre-Scarsick. Sad to see how much of that band is gone now...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 21, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
:( Hallgren was so awesome... Especially in a live setting he was amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 21, 2011, 08:39:44 AM
Truly did not see that coming.

But the band has always been about Gildenlol. I'm sure they'll find a good replacement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 08:40:01 AM
Djees... Did not see this coming.


So, it's only Daniel and Frederik now? I guess Frederik will leave soon too, leaving only the DG project.
If he keeps making albums like RS2 I'm not complaining though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 21, 2011, 08:42:50 AM
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...

I saw them live, and you can see me on a dvd seeing them live too ;)
But yeah, live would be totally different now. Although I'm sure he'll pull a 'zappa' and get an awesome band around himself, to get him to play his music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 21, 2011, 08:54:17 AM
Sad news. :(
I'm glad that he'll still be with them on the tour though, seeing as I'll be one of the last fans to see him live right before he quits.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 21, 2011, 09:14:52 AM
This is really, really not good... He definitely feels like part of the core of the band for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 21, 2011, 11:00:23 AM
Argh! I love Johan :(

Never got to see them live with him either... well as long as they find a good replacement I'll be happy. The new drummer doesn't live up to the old one though he's still good enough.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 21, 2011, 12:02:54 PM
This fucking SUCKS! So glad I bought that Opeth ticket now though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Algo Fonix on October 21, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
This really sucks. And I never got to see them live. Now I'll never get to see them with him.  :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 21, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on October 21, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
Giving RS1 a spin before hopping into RS2. Only listened to it once when it came out. Trying to go in with a more, er, optimistic attitude this time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 21, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.
This. It's sad news, but understandable. PoS aren't huge but they're big enough to do touring and all sorts now, and most of the band clearly weren't really into that, so it makes sense that they'll do smaller scale projects that allow them time with their families.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on October 21, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.

Johan?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 21, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
 :yarr
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 04:31:27 AM
Though now I'm even more sad that yesterday (21st October) was the date of both PoS and Steven Wilson playing live near me, and I had to choose one or the other...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obscure on October 22, 2011, 07:52:15 AM
I just heard  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
On a more positive note,

Flame to the Moth is an incredible song, possibly even a top 5 PoS song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2011, 10:38:45 AM
On a more positive note,

Flame to the Moth is an incredible song, possibly even a top 5 PoS song.

It's my favorite from Scarsick, good song.
Too bad about the rest of the album. (apart from a few good ones)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 03:12:11 PM
Scarsick is my second favourite PoS album, I guess my tastes just differ from the majority of PoS fans. Or the majority on here anyway. The rapping? love it. Political stuff? It works. Disco? HELL YES.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2011, 04:35:32 PM
I don't think Scarsick is AS bad as some people make it sound, but it does very little for me compared to their other albums.
Entropia, The Perfect Element, BE.. some good stuff right there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
I'm really really interested in what they do next - with the 70s out of Daniel's system, will he make stuff that pleases the old fans? That statement a few pages back with him feeling the new material of those songs from RS2 would imo be that, and I'd love it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
I'm pretty open for new directions but one thing I really want is just PoS coming back to coherent albums with a flow (not necessarily concept albums if he no longer feels like doing those). RS1 is clearly just "random songs put together into an album", RS2 is a very good step in the right direction again but it's still not even close to what e.g. Scarsick is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 23, 2011, 12:10:21 AM
RS1 is clearly just "random songs put together into an album"

WAT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 02:02:46 AM
I can sorta agree.
No offense to the RS-albums now, but what I really miss, is the whole "album divided into chapters" and the concept-thing, I really love it how it works on pretty much all their previous albums.
When I look back at Entropia, One Hour.., The Perfect Element, Remedy Lane, BE.. I really think of the great concepts, and while some have been more concept albums then others, I still really love their thing of having chapters and having songs really flow together nicely.

In comparison, RS is "just" an album with songs on it.
Nothing particularly wrong with the flow, but yeah, would love to see the chapters/concept-thing come back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 03:49:33 AM
I love probably more non-concept albums than concept albums, so I don't really care. The flow on the RS albums is excellent, that's all that matters to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 05:22:36 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 05:55:59 AM
Additionally to seeing them open for Opeth in December, they announced that they'll be coming back here in March again, and I'll get tickets for that asap.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 06:24:53 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.

Indirectly, definitely. And I'd expect the same reason is true for everyone.

Some will say, "but Daniel's always done everything!" While that's true, there's something else to consider: people will stick with things if they're emotionally involved in them, even if it means making some tough choices. When PoS started out, the guys didn't have families. So even if DG was running the show then, the members weren't required to make many tough choices between their professional and domestic life. Their roles in the band might not have been ideal, but they still were probably the best thing each guy had going for him. Fast-foward to a couple years later, when most of the members in PoS are married guys with families. Suddenly, there's a choice to be made: stay with the band at the expense of spending a couple months per year away from home, your family, and regular means of employment? Or split with the band to stay home, and work on some other music projects on the side?

That decision is a lot easier to make when the "job" is just a gig which you are not involved with on an emotional level and make no significant contribution to. I expect, unfortunately, that's how its been with pretty much every PoS member, which is why all of them seem more than willing to leave as soon as they have something else worthwhile going on in their lives.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 23, 2011, 06:54:55 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.

Do we actually have any reason to believe that the two recent albums were any different as far as involvement from the ones before them?  The Road Salt albums gave us a description of the roles in the studio, and it was very obvious then that Daniel was behind most of what went in to the album.  Just because it wasn't all listed there in the previous records didn't mean that there has been any sort of change in the way Daniel chooses to run things in recording. 

Also, @PC, why in the hell would the fact that Johan's recording/writing role has been small affect whether or not he is emotionally involved?  I think it's possible to be emotionally involved in someone else's music, I've seen it done before.  So in the one recording that is made on the studio he doesn't get to contribute much, but he has dozens of performances to play it his own way.  Seems okay enough to me. 

I just think you'd be jumping to conclusions in trying to relate Johan's departure to anything more than the reasons given.  (Kid, wife, etc.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 07:04:16 AM
Hmm, what I'm trying to get at is, if Johan had been that involved to begin with, it'd probably be much harder for him to choose between wife/kid and band. He'd probably make compromises and get both to work, as plenty of musicians do as this is something which is fairly common for members of the profession. The fact that he's never been that involved makes it easier for him to walk away completely, rather than try and reconcile the conflict between band/family somehow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 02:59:53 PM
I really get what PC is saying, and CC, you are totally right that we are not sure how much involvement the rest of the members have had on previous cd's, but when you look at it, RS was more stripped back, lack of guitar melodies and solos, so if you were Johan, there is not much there to grasp onto, especially when looking at the content of older albums music wise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 23, 2011, 06:02:08 PM
Suddenly, there's a choice to be made: stay with the band at the expense of spending a couple months per year away from home, your family, and regular means of employment? Or split with the band to stay home, and work on some other music projects on the side?

A couple of months a year? If a band does a worldwide tour, surely it's far, far more than just two months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 07:52:10 PM
A couple of months a year? If a band does a worldwide tour, surely it's far, far more than just two months.

Not necessarily. Most "world tours" today only consist of dates in Europe and North America. A month in each place sounds about right...? I can't see PoS playing Asia or South America, tbh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 23, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 08:07:13 PM
Not really sure. With DT do two legs of North America and Europe per tour, plus Asia, South America, and Australia occasionally, and they tour extensively.

If PoS wanted to do a *real* world tour, it'd probably be

Europe- 1 month
North America- 1 month

South America- 2 weeks
Australia- 2 weeks
Asia- 2 weeks

I'm just going by how long it seems to take DT to do each place, so those time-slots aren't definite. And, honestly, they could easily get away with doing just NA and EU because that's what most bands do anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 24, 2011, 05:00:43 AM
I thought it was pretty well-known that from The Perfect Element Part 1, Daniel has more or less done all of the writing. In a recent interview in the Sweden Rock magazine, he mentions former member Daniel Magick (or what was his name) and says he helped write Entropia and parts of One Hour, even thought he weren't on that album.

And I really see no problem with this? Not every band is like Dream Theater where every member contributes. Take a look at Opeth for example - Mikael Åkerfeldt more or less does everything there. And it really doesn't mean that the music itself means less for the other members.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on October 24, 2011, 05:59:27 AM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:

They supported Dream Theater in late'09 I think. It was awesome  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 24, 2011, 08:07:28 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:

They supported Dream Theater in late'09 I think. It was awesome  :D

Yeah, I knew nothing about the band at that time, so I got to the venue late just as DT were starting.  I'm kicking myself now I tell you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 29, 2011, 02:43:06 PM
Previews of the two Japanese bonus tracks for Road Salt Two..

"Last Night" https://cnt01.labelgate.com/morawin/top/WL001/60000038/MICP-11021/clip-MICP-11021-15.asx
"Thirty-Eight" https://cnt01.labelgate.com/morawin/top/WL001/60000038/MICP-11021/clip-MICP-11021-16.asx

Both sound very interesting. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 29, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
Thirty-Eight sounds great.

edit: HOLY BEARD BATMAN

(https://www.headbanger.ru/fmst/files/data/39474.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 30, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time

as for faemir, thorn clown is cool.

also as for faemir, i have em all except never learn to fly, of which i desire.

edit: oh, i also dont have the RS2 japanese bonus tracks. more desires.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 30, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
as for johan leaving the band, im not sure its completely sunk in. there was about a 40 hour span at one point last week where i totally forgot about the news.

i'm sad but not nearly as upset as my wife's been about it.

from the sounds of it, the next direction will be a continuation of the folk thats crept into their (well, HIS) music...i was kinda hoping for a return to the progressive metal of entropia.
...so i guess if theyre looking for a replacement i say... BRING BACK MAGDIK!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2011, 03:11:21 AM
just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time


SFAM is probably my third favorite DT-album behind Awake and 6DOIT, but yeah.. as much as I enjoy it, I sorta "loose" the thread near the ending sometimes when I hear it, because of that long instrumental-part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 31, 2011, 06:14:44 AM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time

as for faemir, thorn clown is cool.

also as for faemir, i have em all except never learn to fly, of which i desire.

edit: oh, i also dont have the RS2 japanese bonus tracks. more desires.

Never Learn To Fly is amazing. Or at least, interesting if you know the story behind it. (Written by an 11yo DG etc.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 31, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
cool, i wasnt aware of that. we've been checking it out on youtube several times over the past couple months. it's neat.

second love was also written in his youth, wasnt it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 08, 2011, 12:21:34 AM
Saw this on Pain of Salvation's Facebook:

Quote
To that fan of POS or Opeth...
 
You'd think we'd had enough, right? RINGLESS TOILETS, OPEN WOUNDS, BROKEN TOES, SPRAINED ABDOMINAL MUSCLES, BRUISES, BEE STINGS... For those who long for tour life - we'd gladly give you a few weeks on tour. Just one advice - when they deprive you of all sanity and spirit, make sure to cling on to your legs, 'cause they're the ones you will need when you will run the hell away from it all!
 
Nah, it's never that bad (yes it is). No, really, don't worry (worry!).
 
Take the last tour we did for example, it was a dream. Seriously, we were deeply honored to have Von Hertzen Brothers open up for us. These guys tour massively in Finland, have won Grammies, and supported Neil fucking Young, and the fucking Foo Fighters for crying out loud. Now here they were, with Pain of Salvation, rocking the stage silly every night. I hope people understood the quality of the music that was given them! Anyway, wonderful musicians, wonderful guys, wonderful people to have around when the bus breaks down for the third time and you're stuck in Stara Zagora in Bulgaria for five days. And this is all hypothetical of course. No bus breaks down three times on a three week tour. Right? Right?
 
This mess made us have to cancel our second show ever. Damn, that hurt! We had such a good track record! The first ever show we cancelled was in 2005, where we didn't have any gear on location 30 minutes before the show (file under "good reason"). Ankara was cancelled because we were simply in another country, expecting to leave every day - we were all Bill Murray living in Groundhog Day for a few days, saying goodbye to the waitresses at the restaurant after every meal, then ridiculously returning again for the next meal. And the next. And the next. The heartbrokenness (that's a word!) was less and less severe with every farewell. Still, there should be a Pain of Salvation fan club in Stara Zagora by now.
 
All over Eastern Europe, despite very different size crowds from night to night, the devoted passion was the same every night. You gave so much back to us, really you did! And then there are always a number of fans who want to hear older material, but the funny thing is, they all commit to the fullest when we let them explode in Linoleum, No Way, Conditioned and To the Shoreline. And they never sing along more tearfully than in 1979. The old Pain of Salvation might have an eternal grip of their teenage cleverness, but the newer Pain of Salvation has an even tighter grip on their souls and guts. I was gonna go for balls but then I changed my mind last second. Good.
 
Now we've been home for less then two weeks, barely regrouping and catching our breaths. Come Monday and we're leaving for five more weeks with Opeth. That odd feeling in our stomachs will be even more prominent this time around, since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik. See, I went and dipped my toes into the serious now, but I can't dwell on it too long then I won't have any energy left for convincing ending! Anyway, Léo and I are already guessing who of us will get to be Christopher Lambert in Highlander. Léo does have the youth, energy and motivation on his side. But I have red-hot statistics holding my fort.
 
While we go out the next five weeks using this Pain of Salvation to kick the dust off any stage you'll put in front of us, another Pain of Salvation is just now starting to rise from the ashes. We are walking multiple roads here ladies and gentlemen. For these coming five weeks you will witness the third death of Pain of Salvation, and possibly get a glimpse of the beast waking up underneath its skin, soon to be unhinged. Anyway, the way I write this would be a sure sign that I am losing my sanity, but then again, I have always been writing like this. But alright, just for the record I will finish this in a more expected way:
 
We are looking forward to going out on tour with Opeth. They are truly nice people and we have a lot in common. I also think our fans have a lot in common, so who knows what can happen in the crowds around Europe this fall. I know I'm gonna be there to see it!
 
You really should be there too. You really should.
 
Wet kisses,
Daniel Gildenlöw / Pain of Salvation
 
PAIN OF SALVATION’s massive European tour with Opeth starts on November 8 and covers the following dates (look out, tickets are selling quickly  with some shows already completely sold out, so make sure to get yours soon…)
 
PAIN OF SALVATION with OPETH, European tour 2011:
 
NOVEMBER 2011
 8th – Bristol, Academy - UK
9th – Newcastle, Academy - UK
10th – Edinburgh, Picture House - UK
11th – Manchester,  Academy - UK
12th – Birmingham, Academy - UK
13th – London, Brixton Academy - UK
15th – Tilburg, 013 - THE NETHERLANDS * Sold Out!
16th – Paris, Le Bataclan - FRANCE * Sold Out!
17th – Bordeaux Merignac, Krakatoa - FRANCE
18th – Bilbao, Santana - SPAIN
19th – Madrid, Penelope - SPAIN
20th – Lisbon, Incrivel Almadense - PORTUGAL * Sold Out!
22nd – Barcelona,  Apolo - SPAIN
23rd – Montpellier, Le Rockstore - FRANCE
24th – Milan, Alcatraz - ITALY
25th – Lausanne, Les Docks - SWITZERLAND
26th – Zurich, Komplex - SWITZERLAND
27th – Munich,  Theaterfabrik - GERMANY
29th – Vienna, Gasometer - AUSTRIA
30th – Stuttgart, Longhorn LKA - GERMANY
 
DECEMBER 2011:
1st – Cologne, Essigfabrik - GERMANY * Sold Out!
2nd – Berlin, Huxleys Neue Welt - GERMANY
3rd – Hamburg, Grosse Freiheit 36 - GERMANY
4th – Göteborg, Trägarn - SWEDEN
6th – Helsinki,  Ice Hall - FINLAND
8th – Stockholm, Arena - SWEDEN
9th – Oslo, Sentrum Scene - NORWAY * Sold Out!

The thing that stood out to me:

Quote
...since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik...

WHAT? Fredrik is leaving too? When did this happen? Why? Why wasn't there an announcment? WTF!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 08, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
When things are falling appart, they really do fall appart.  :-\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 08, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
And what makes it shittier is that I probably can't go (and I already bought a ticket...). Ah well, saw them 4 times before...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
So like, what's the chances of some U.S. Dates within the next year or two?

    I'm not going to get my hopes up, but maybe some day...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 08, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

I totally forgot about Johan leaving  :facepalm:

   and I am just now am finding out Fredrik is leaving too? damn.

   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 08, 2011, 06:44:51 PM
It makes me glad of the Road Salt covers, immortalised forever :)

However, this is crazy! So all that's left is the new drummer and Daniel? Jeez :(

That letter made me laugh though, Daniel is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 08, 2011, 07:37:51 PM
Alright, listening to RS2 for the first time.

I'm on track six, Break Darling Break. So far I've only enjoyed two tracks. Those would be Healing Now and To The Shoreline. I hope I enjoy the rest of the album!

Eleven just came on.. digging this!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 08, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
Just wait for 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, Through the Distance and Physics of Gridlock.

Then again, I don't get people's beef with Conditioned (dat riff!) or mortar grind (vocal delivery WOW).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2011, 01:05:58 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 09, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.

Yeap, I thought the same, but I can't really think of anything else that could be meant by a "farewell."  Perhaps there's some bitterness about it that made Daniel refrain from issuing a formal farewell as he gave to Johan.  Or maybe Fredrik didn't want a formal goodbye to be released just yet.  Dunno.  It is weird, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 09, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving?

Yeah, IT SUCKS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 09, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 09, 2011, 06:08:19 PM
This band is truly dead. Damn.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 09, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 09, 2011, 08:04:30 PM
It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.

Well, if its true that art comes from adversity, perhaps there's a chance that we will eventually get something really spectacular. I'm going to try and be optimistic about the situation, but anything could happen now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 03:33:53 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

This. He's always been the creative force behind the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2011, 03:35:16 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on November 10, 2011, 03:38:20 AM
I have nothing new to bring to this discussion. I just wanna make a post before Leo leaves.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 10, 2011, 03:48:17 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2011, 03:49:51 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been

Yeah, of course he wasn't, forgot about that there for a second, I guess he just feels like an original member to me.  He was a big, important part of the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 10, 2011, 04:30:17 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Disagree. Sure, Daniel's wrote nearly everything, but being a band's primary song-writer =/= being the only necessary element in the band's identity. Daniel may have run the show in the studio for the last couple albums, but outside of that the band still had an identity and a live show. Now, nearly every long-time member aside from him is gone.  I am sure that I am not alone in feeling that this is not Pain of Salvation anymore. It is Daniel's solo project in every way possible, when it only was in some major ways before, and it kinda is disheartening to see so many fans and even Daniel himself dismissing these huge departures as if they were always just his hired guns to begin with.

Best of luck to Daniel. I'm sure he will be successful in his continuing effort to run PoS into the ground ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 10, 2011, 05:01:28 AM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?
Nope. But it's a ticket for Gothenburg (living in Sweden atm) so don't think you could use it :p.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 06:17:02 AM
Well, I'll miss Johan's live vocals, which I think work very well.
I'm not sure how much I will notice that Fredrik is gone myself, seeing as I haven't seen them live (first time will be now in December), I can't really say how much will change in a live-setting.
As for how they sound on album, I hardly doubt much will change there.
Sure Johan and Fredrik would give their opinions to "form" songs, but in the end it's still Daniel Gildenlöw writing and playing a lot of things (just check the credits in Road Salt), so I hardly doubt they will change much sound-wise either.
Looking back, the directions they've taken when they've changed sound, that feels very much like "Daniel wants to do something new, so the band does something new", no offense to the others obviously. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 10, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2011, 07:33:21 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.
I actually agree with this. I feel like SW just adjusts his style of writing for PT, and his solo career is just another project.

Basically, it's what Mikael Akerfeldt should have done with Heritage.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 07:35:06 AM
Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2011, 07:37:55 AM
Wilson has said a few times (back in the LBS days, so I don't know if that has changed) that Richard's textures are what make Porcupine Tree great for him.

So, definitely not replaceable. One need only look at disc 2 of The Incident to see that they can contribute awesome material as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.

I'm not so sure, let's say that Richard or Colin would leave the band, or both at the same time (like what is happening in PoS now), I don't see PT moving on from what.
I mean, both SW and Gavin would have other things to do, and I just don't see them taking in two new replacements and moving on, it would be more "logical" that PT would die, and SW would continue with his solo-stuff, No-Man, Blackfield and Bass Communion, and Gavin with his work.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 10, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
How do you read that at all? I fail to see why they would stop. It's not "logical" that PT would die, at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 10, 2011, 12:11:18 PM
Going to the Opeth show in Manchester tomorrow, but I'm much, MUCH more excited to see PoS than Opeth  :lol These guys have been switching places as my favourite band (with PT) for the last few years, and I just can't wait. I actually have a friend who's a friend of the band (he's staying in the tourbus with them at the moment), and he informs me that The Perfect Element has been planned for a few of the Opeth dates, so fingers crossed it gets dropped tomorrow!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
How do you read that at all? I fail to see why they would stop. It's not "logical" that PT would die, at all.

To begin with, I don't feel like SW is as dependent on PT as DG is on PoS.
Not saying that it's negative, but meanwhile Daniel has mostly focused on PoS and explored what he wants to explore there, SW has explored several different styles in several projects, and I don't think people see SW as "that frontman in PT", seeing how many other things he has done as well. (no diss on Daniel really)

As much as some people on the net can argue that PT is 100% Steven Wilson, he would probably say the opposite himself, and I find it hard to believe that he would replace friends since 20 years (Colin and Richard), maybe if one left, but if both dropped out like the scenario in PoS, then half of the magic in studio would be lost.
There wouldn't be the same people to discuss ideas with, and I don't think SW would be AS into it, because after all, I think it increases the joy if you play and perform with people you really like, and have known for a while.

We also have the perspective that SW would probably do very well without PT as well. He has established himself very well as a musician, apart from the music he has made, the "collaborations"/mixing and producing, the latter part alone probably gives him some solid income.
I don't think DG has the same situation, obviously a lot of doors would open since he's an amazing musician and all of that, but he has his family at home, I don't think he does quite as well as SW financially (I'm basing this on what I've seen in documentaries and interviews and such, might have changed), add to the fact that PoS has been his money-source for the last 14-15 years, and other small factors.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 10, 2011, 03:08:40 PM
I think Steve relies on the income and popularity of Porcupine Tree a lot, something he would not want to throw away lightly. It's also his must succesful and longest-running project, as well as his "main" one. Losing members who whilst great friends, are not part of (most) of the writing I do not think would make him stop  PT, especially since as it's the continued success of PT that allows him to do things like solo albums that have far lower returns.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 10, 2011, 04:58:33 PM
Going to the Opeth show in Manchester tomorrow, but I'm much, MUCH more excited to see PoS than Opeth  :lol These guys have been switching places as my favourite band (with PT) for the last few years, and I just can't wait. I actually have a friend who's a friend of the band (he's staying in the tourbus with them at the moment), and he informs me that The Perfect Element has been planned for a few of the Opeth dates, so fingers crossed it gets dropped tomorrow!

I fucking hope so! TPE is probably my number one favourite PoS song. Although that number rotates quite a lot given their stunning discography.

I will also be in the minority supporting PoS more than Opeth, even though I love both the bands almost equally.

The fact that i've seen Opeth live before, and with their new lack of heaviness/growls, it hasn't done too much in terms of anticipation. Should be a great gig either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
I think Steve relies on the income and popularity of Porcupine Tree a lot, something he would not want to throw away lightly. It's also his must succesful and longest-running project, as well as his "main" one. Losing members who whilst great friends, are not part of (most) of the writing I do not think would make him stop  PT, especially since as it's the continued success of PT that allows him to do things like solo albums that have far lower returns.
Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 11, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Not to be picky, but No-Man was actually before PT, not by very long, but still.  :biggrin:

Honestly though, if one member left, I think that PT could very well get through it, but if both Richard and Colin left, that would be the end of PT.
Even if they continued, it would just be PT 2.0, because I think that both Colin and Richard are bigger parts of PT's sound then people give them credit for, it wasn't like when Maitland left and they managed to replace him without too much problems.

Oh well, sorta feels like we're loosing the topic, but yeah.. seeing PoS in December (together with Opeth), and I'm really looking forward to it.
Seeing a few setlists from the last shows, and while I don't like those in particularly (I think it's a bit too much Scarsick and Road Salt-songs), I feel like it was sorta expected, but I will probably enjoy it never the less.
Hopefully they change things up a bit before the show as well. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 11, 2011, 06:29:50 PM
OMGOMGOMGOMG

just got back from the PoS/Opeth show, it was fucking awesome. Enjoyed PoS SO MUCH MORE than Opeth, but that might have been because during Opeth, a 6'6", 20 stone Mexican guy stood infront of me, filmed and took pictures, and flicked his hair in my face. But that's a different (and boring) story.

After seeing the setlist that PoS had been playing for the last few night in the UK
(https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2011/academy-newcastle-upon-tyne-england-63d18ea7.html), I didn't have amazing expectations, but then this happened:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2011/manchester-academy-manchester-england-5bd18780.html

I nearly cried.
Kidding.

Not really.

Got a copy of the setlist after the show too  :metal

https://imgur.com/Ji5Xt

Also, for you UK guys, apparently they're coming back in February (maybe then, not sure) for a full headline tour!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 11, 2011, 06:32:11 PM
Wow, that's awesome!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 11, 2011, 06:37:51 PM
Yeah PoS were far better than Opeth, that's for sure.

I love Opeth but Mikael needed to play some fucking metal. The fans were dying for it.

I won't be seeing them again until they do. I'd have rather listened to PoS for 2 hours instead.

Good gig though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 02:20:21 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2011, 03:25:48 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:
Yeah exactly. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 06:19:08 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:

I don't really know what you're getting at with this.

Half, if not more of Opeth's entire discography is heavy/progressive metal. PoS's isn't. They're not a metal band. Not really.

Many fans last night felt a bit disappointed, myself included. I enjoyed the gig don't get me wrong, Opeth always put on a good show, but the whole venue was ready to hear some loud, bone-crushing metal. Growls or no, the song selection they chose was quite boring. They played some acoustic stuff in the middle and that was boring as well. As for Axe's drum solo, that too was pretty generic and pointless.

Mike spent too much time talking about KISS as well, which I didn't find funny. And lots of fans were going outside or heading to the bar during their songs. I can't say i've seen that too often.

The 2nd half of the gig was better, but still, the fans were expecting more. Me and my friend both left the venue feeling cheated, in a way. Simply put, Opeth were capable of so much more last night, and they only partly delivered, IMO.

PoS gave their all, at least. I was happy to hear TPE. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 07:00:05 AM
I didn't mean anything negative, as The Outlaw Xanadu (?) said in the Opeth-thread, I think that a lot of people focus too much on what we aren't getting from Opeth this tour, then to focus on what we actually are getting.
I look at it like this, Opeth has been a band for about 20 years now, this is the first time they do something completely mellow (even at the Damnation-tour they played heavy stuff), so I think people should appreciate the uniqueness of it.
It's not just "another" Opeth-tour, it's something special, and something I don't think they will do again anytime soon. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2011, 07:20:24 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:

I don't really know what you're getting at with this.

Half, if not more of Opeth's entire discography is heavy/progressive metal. PoS's isn't. They're not a metal band. Not really.

Many fans last night felt a bit disappointed, myself included. I enjoyed the gig don't get me wrong, Opeth always put on a good show, but the whole venue was ready to hear some loud, bone-crushing metal. Growls or no, the song selection they chose was quite boring. They played some acoustic stuff in the middle and that was boring as well. As for Axe's drum solo, that too was pretty generic and pointless.

Mike spent too much time talking about KISS as well, which I didn't find funny. And lots of fans were going outside or heading to the bar during their songs. I can't say i've seen that too often.

The 2nd half of the gig was better, but still, the fans were expecting more. Me and my friend both left the venue feeling cheated, in a way. Simply put, Opeth were capable of so much more last night, and they only partly delivered, IMO.

PoS gave their all, at least. I was happy to hear TPE. 
Opeth have been doing the same thing for years, I personally am very excited that they are doing something different this time around, and I know there are lots of others who feel the same way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
I didn't mean anything negative, as The Outlaw Xanadu (?) said in the Opeth-thread, I think that a lot of people focus too much on what we aren't getting from Opeth this tour, then to focus on what we actually are getting.
I look at it like this, Opeth has been a band for about 20 years now, this is the first time they do something completely mellow (even at the Damnation-tour they played heavy stuff), so I think people should appreciate the uniqueness of it.
It's not just "another" Opeth-tour, it's something special, and something I don't think they will do again anytime soon. :P

I get where you're coming from, but the general consensus last night was that the gig would have been even more 'special' with a song like Blackwater Park, as to Folklore.

Heritage is a good album but to see most of it as live isn't what i'd consider Opeth to be about. It's not all about growls either, their song selection was very limited, IMO.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 08:53:35 AM
I don't know, as I've said earlier in the Opeth-thread, the Heritage-tour means that it's logical with mostly Heritage songs, I can't complain about the rest, because they are all songs I love, and want to see live.

As for the way they've chosen to "present" this tour (no growl-songs), I still think people should see the good things in it, and not the bad.
A good example could be the 12:5 album by PoS, instead of criticizing it for being acoustic, not metal (or anything like that), it should be viewed on as being one of the more unique albums in their discography, and the fact that it has some magic that people will probably never see or hear again. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
I don't know, as I've said earlier in the Opeth-thread, the Heritage-tour means that it's logical with mostly Heritage songs, I can't complain about the rest, because they are all songs I love, and want to see live.

As for the way they've chosen to "present" this tour (no growl-songs), I still think people should see the good things in it, and not the bad.
A good example could be the 12:5 album by PoS, instead of criticizing it for being acoustic, not metal (or anything like that), it should be viewed on as being one of the more unique albums in their discography, and the fact that it has some magic that people will probably never see or hear again. :)

You're right but PoS don't do growls. Opeth do, and in a large portion of their work.

Opeth are heavy. Just not all the time. I would rather they don't limit what they do. As long as it's just for this tour then that's okay.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 12, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
I agree with both of you, but like Zantera I'm happy that they are doing this kind of "unique" tour. It will be special to see. I just hope they go back to playing their old stuff on later tours.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 12, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 12, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
I'm not talking about their new "style", I just mean when they are touring. I'm not talking about their next albums at all here :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 12, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 13, 2011, 03:09:21 AM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.

Why is that?

I wonder the same, especially when Mikael himself said that they will be going back to the older mode for future tours.
As for how their next couple of albums will sound, it's hard to say, but I find it hard to believe that they will never use growls on their albums again, especially if they are going to keep some growl-songs in the set.
But it will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 13, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
Lets take this discussion to the Opeth thread guys :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 13, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 13, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?

Nope. I actually think Scarsick is more consistent than RL, and I actually understand the concept, which is something I DEFINITELY can't say for RL. I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

I think RL starts to drag around Rope Ends. I don't really like that run of tracks from Rope Ends to Second Love, although Waking Every God is great.

..in conclusion, NO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on November 13, 2011, 05:34:37 PM
I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

Um... isn't that every PoS album?  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 12:45:49 AM
I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

Um... isn't that every PoS album?  :P

There is no way that you can FAACCCKKKKK HER like i can
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 14, 2011, 02:14:58 AM
Scarsick still really hasn't clicked for me, so I probably rank it the lowest out of the PoS albums.
I do love some of the songs (Flame to the Moth, title-track and America), but the other songs range from decent to okay, one of my 'bigger' problems would be the lyrics, where I feel like some songs like Kingdom of Loss and Cribcaged have some good music going on, but is being let down by what I think are 'bad' lyrics. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on November 14, 2011, 02:22:53 AM
I have been listening to road salt 2 for the last week and wanted to contribute the following:

- Very decent effort overall, probably better than road salt 1 but no individual track is nearly as good as sisters.
- The physics of gridlock is great until the french part at the end. One of the biggest WTF moments in their career.
- The deepest cut and to the shoreline are the best tracks though healing now is also excellent

Overall 3.5/5.

I like the album quite a bit but the jaw droppingly amazing moments aren't there and have been scarce since scarsick.

@Pettruci07 - Remedy lane is a stunning album. There are so many more layers to it than scarsick. It is worth reading up on the concept as well, I believe Daniel draws on a lot of personal experiences e.g. A trace of blood is about his wife miscarrying and rope ends is about a friend trying to hang themselves.

From what I understand the concept is about a couple who got together young and grew apart after a harrowing ordeal (the miscarriage) and when the woman tries to hang herself he saves her but realises they need to be apart.

He leaves for Budapest and attempts to fulfill himself with sex but realises this isn't what he wants.

I would have to revisit the lyrics to provide a better explanation of the concept but i remember the thrust of it I think  :lol

The songs are also out of chronological order which makes it more fun to piece together.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 14, 2011, 02:24:05 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 05:19:56 AM
@Petrucci07 - Remedy lane is a stunning album. There are so many more layers to it than scarsick. It is worth reading up on the concept as well, I believe Daniel draws on a lot of personal experiences e.g. A trace of blood is about his wife miscarrying and rope ends is about a friend trying to hang themselves.

From what I understand the concept is about a couple who got together young and grew apart after a harrowing ordeal (the miscarriage) and when the woman tries to hang herself he saves her but realises they need to be apart.

He leaves for Budapest and attempts to fulfill himself with sex but realises this isn't what he wants.

I would have to revisit the lyrics to provide a better explanation of the concept but i remember the thrust of it I think  :lol

The songs are also out of chronological order which makes it more fun to piece together.

Thanks for info on the concept, that clears some stuff up! You're probably right about the 'layers' thing, but I just think Scarsick is more consistent, because I simply don't like the music from Rope Ends to Second Love nearly as much as the other tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 14, 2011, 11:10:57 AM
I never considered Remedy Lane much of a concept album. Yeah, the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about relationships in some way, but I feel like half of it has to do with teen love, and the other half just whatever was on Daniel's mind at the time.

It's pretty dramatically convenient that the album is technically a bunch of "flashbacks". I don't see how something like A Trace of Blood relates to something like Rope Ends though. It's a bit too disjointed for me to consider it as a conceptual piece.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on November 14, 2011, 12:12:50 PM
I never considered Remedy Lane much of a concept album. Yeah, the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about relationships in some way, but I feel like half of it has to do with teen love, and the other half just whatever was on Daniel's mind at the time.

It's pretty dramatically convenient that the album is technically a bunch of "flashbacks". I don't see how something like A Trace of Blood relates to something like Rope Ends though. It's a bit too disjointed for me to consider it as a conceptual piece.

I somewhat agree with this.  I tried to say it once before here, though, and everyone was all "boo, hiss, lol."  I do think it's pressing a bit too far to argue, for instance, that the girl who commits suicide in "Rope Ends" is the same girl from Budapest or however you wanna spin it.  I mean, maybe that is what Daniel intended, but in the explanation here (https://painofsslvation.com/lyrics/RemedyLane-Analysis.rhtml (https://painofsslvation.com/lyrics/RemedyLane-Analysis.rhtml)) it seems like tracks such as "Rope Ends" and "A Trace Of Blood" are really just autobiographical, without literally fitting into the story, except for at the possible level of shared themes.  Not saying that there is no story because obviously there is a narrative present; it's just that every track is not actually part of the narrative.  A bit unusual for a so-called "concept" album, but also in a way very unique.  Either way, it's still my favorite PoS record.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 14, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
i always thought the Rememdy Lane concept was one of the easier stories to follow outta his discography. Beseems a little more along the lines of: "the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about God in some way"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 14, 2011, 02:10:30 PM
i always thought the Rememdy Lane concept was one of the easier stories to follow outta his discography. Beseems a little more along the lines of: "the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about God in some way"

I think the opposite.  Remedy Lane's songs all tie into sex and addictions and pain and other related things, but it doesn't seem to follow a specific story.  (You have relationship songs and suicide songs and songs about miscarriages)  BE, however, definitely follows a specific narrative.  Not the easiest to comprehend on your first time through, but it's the only album of theirs that really seems to outline a full story. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 14, 2011, 04:28:01 PM
I concur with Seth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
I actually think that "BE" has one of the most concrete concept in terms of narrative.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 14, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
I concur with Seth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 14, 2011, 07:38:38 PM
well shit, shows how little i know.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on November 15, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
track-by-track:

Road Salt Theme: no it's not

Softly She Cries: great opener,  solid song but replaying that entire "road salt theme" about 4 minutes into the album kinda defeats the purpose...

Conditioned: fun song, though the upbeat nature seems rather out of place on this album... excusable since it's so early I guess

Healing Now: oh yes, I love this song.

To The Shoreline: Why wasn't there anything this awesome on RS1?

Eleven: I dunno, every time I'm listening to this song I dig it but I always remember it as being kinda meh... it's a good song, though

1979: Yeah this is pretty great too... this is much better than RS1 for sure

The Deeper Cut: Probably in my top 10 PoS songs... well, maybe not, but it comes close. Definitely best on the album.

Mortar Grind: This sounds kinda like Eleven, except not as good... wasn't this one written first, too? Still not bad though.

Through The Distance: Not as strong as 1979 but it's still a great softer piece

The Physics of Gridlock: This WOULD be the best song... except the French part feels like dragging it out too long, and it's anticlimactic as well. But the first two sections are AMAZING.

End Credits: I like this one a lot more than the Road Salt Theme because, well, it's a proper medley, while that one is most certainly not... ending with the theme again though is probably the worst thing they could've done.

Solid album, doesn't compare to BE and earlier at all but it's better than RS1 and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on November 16, 2011, 01:24:34 AM
I just had to double check your post because it is so close to my feelings I thought I must have written it  :lol.

Agreed on pretty much everything. Ending on the starting theme does annoy me because I have the album on in the car and then I hear the exact same thing twice when the cd starts again and then the melody is there again in the next song.

Also agreed Eleven and Mortar Grind are certainly the weak points yet I enjoy them ok when I listen to them? The french part in The Physics of Gridlock I already spoke about but that is easily the worst part of the album. The track is great otherwise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2011, 02:55:38 AM
End Credits: I like this one a lot more than the Road Salt Theme because, well, it's a proper medley, while that one is most certainly not... ending with the theme again though is probably the worst thing they could've done.

Just a bit curious, could you explain why you think so?
Personally I think it's quite nice, leaves a feeling that the 'journey' is pretty much over, that it finishes where it started, sorta like a long trip, and then coming home. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 16, 2011, 05:54:01 AM
The only silly thing is, the theme doesn't show up anywhere in RS1. It makes RS2 feel like it's own piece, and not the second part of the original. Granted, What She Means to Me is a brilliant opener, so I don't think I'd switch it around, but it was a weird decision on Daniel's part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2011, 06:36:58 AM
The french part is fine. The Theme songs are pointless, and as Ulti says, it's not on RS1.

What She Means to Me is far better anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: indalo on November 16, 2011, 07:47:23 AM
I will see them in three days  :D But is very sad they will only play 30 minutes  :-[ They'll have not much time so no great covers... :(

I think RSPT is a great album. Loved it the first time I heard it and still loving it. Amazing  :o

And I'll say the same I said in the Opeth thread: What about the merchandising? Very expensive? Tour shirts?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 16, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
i'm surprised how poorly Eleven seems to rate amongst the folks in this thread...aside from being awesome the whole way through, i'd point out that, besides Conditioned, it's probably the most upbeat track on there (musically and melodically, if not lyrically), not to mention the only song where they kinda "go off" on a fun jam (only real instrumental section on the album sans the bookends).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 17, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."

Holy shit. Daniel has really become one self-absorbed and arrogant dude. Kinda sad to see how he's transformed since I got into the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 17, 2011, 05:20:24 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P
 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 17, 2011, 05:32:52 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P

Why is he pretentious? He's probably being himself, at all times.

He has a high opinion of himself, so what? I have a high opinion of the music he makes.

He probably wouldn't be the same musician otherwise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 17, 2011, 05:36:44 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."

Holy shit. Daniel has really become one self-absorbed and arrogant dude. Kinda sad to see how he's transformed since I got into the band.

He's said some other questionably arrogant things, but I really don't get what's so horrible about the way he put it here.  Pain of Salvation has always more or less been the Daniel Gildenlow project, and he's just making the point that things haven't really changed at all in that regard.  Not too terribly arrogant, I don't think. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 17, 2011, 05:43:42 AM
I'd say he's pretentious because the music he makes himself is the best, and nothing else comes close.
Maybe he has become more "normal" now, or had a change in personality, but when I read old interviews, he just comes off as a very cocky and arrogant musician.

I specifically recall an interview where he talks about One Hour... being his least favorite PoS-album, but proceeds to say "but it's still more original then most of the music out there".
Maybe he's right, but coming from the artist himself, that just sounds rather arrogant.
It's not the only example of him praising his own music and bashing a lot of other things either, he said something about Progressive-music, and he said that he stopped listening to Progressive Metal/Rock back when Awake was released, because everything since has sounded the same.
Guess what, PoS is also a part of that scene, so then he probably thinks that they haven't changed either?  ;)

And yeah, you might have a point that we PoS-fans do hold their music very high, but that still doesn't change the fact that he's rather arrogant about it. :P
A lot of artists has confidence, we have the classic "our new album is awesome"-scenario, but to bash so much else in music, and praise your own music so much, especially seeing as PoS barely goes around economically, would have been another scenario if they were the biggest band in the world and had tons of cash, but despite being so much better then everything, they're still smaller then a band like Opeth (who they are opening for this tour), despite Daniel Gildenlöw pretty much looking down on them.  :biggrin:

Also, this isn't meant as a bash-post, I still really like Daniel, but he's quite... special.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 17, 2011, 06:43:25 AM
I don't want to comment on Daniel personally, because in fact, I rather find his humor and ways of expressing himself quite refreshing (although he's no Mikael Akerfeld in that regard).

What I grew pretty tired of though, especially in the periode of 'BE' was the totally overblown hyping the 'concept'. The 'dig deeper and you'll find more treasures' that were displayed in artwork and especially on the website, promising 'all kinds of info to come'. Well, for starters, you couldn't even become a member of the website because they wouldn't even accept new members for over 6 months after the fact. Yes, the audiocommentary to that dvd was funny, the performance is greeat and the extra's ....ok, I guess. But don't act like it's the 'bees knees' and golden fountain of knowledge or something. Especially when you can't even participate in all the fun. Yes, it was a clever concept and there are awesome songs on there, but why not just stick to making very good music and leaving out all the hype stuff?

I loved Remedy Lane when it came out and played it to death, marvelous cd, the same goes for the other three first cd's.
But after that things went pretty much downhill, with Scarsick barely rating a A- in my book.

I still don't know what to think of Road salt, which also came with 'interesting' artwork. Well, the covers looked good and there were some great pics,
but other than that: where's the unity of the 'concept'? Or do we just have to 'use our imagination' ? A drinking party at a bonfire with singalong, a couple being buried in the dirt and a couple making out in front of a window.....gee. Conceptual continuity, eat your heart out!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 17, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
Honesty, he's never once bothered me with his comments.

I know prog is full of these down-to-earth, humble musicians, and DG might seem different or more out-spoken, but how is that being pretentious? He believes in himself and his music. At the end of the day, he's just a man with an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I listen to his music and I either enjoy what I hear, or I don't. It would take far more than having a strong opinion or being pompous, to put me off a good musician.

I'm sure if everyone here was famous, and thousands of fans could track your every facebook update or forum post, you, yourself, would come across as a bit of an arsehole. There's plenty floating about on the internet. Take your pick.

Unless you know the man personally, I don't see how you can judge him. Same goes for anyone else.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 17, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
I don't want to comment on Daniel personally, because in fact, I rather find his humor and ways of expressing himself What I grew pretty tired of though, especially in the periode of 'BE' was the totally overblown hyping the 'concept'. The 'dig deeper and you'll find more treasures' that were displayed in artwork and especially on the website, promising 'all kinds of info to come'. Well, for starters, you couldn't even become a member of the website because they wouldn't even accept new members for over 6 months after the fact. Yes, the audiocommentary to that dvd was funny, the performance is greeat and the extra's ....ok, I guess. But don't act like it's the 'bees knees' and golden fountain of knowledge or something. Especially when you can't even participate in all the fun. Yes, it was a clever concept and there are awesome songs on there, but why not just stick to making very good music and leaving out all the hype stuff?

TL;DR: I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT

I still don't know what to think of Road salt, which also came with 'interesting' artwork. Well, the covers looked good and there were some great pics,
but other than that: where's the unity of the 'concept'? Or do we just have to 'use our imagination' ? A drinking party at a bonfire with singalong, a couple being buried in the dirt and a couple making out in front of a window.....gee. Conceptual continuity, eat your heart out!

TL;DR: WHERE'S THE CONCEPT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 17, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 17, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
i'm surprised how poorly Eleven seems to rate amongst the folks in this thread...aside from being awesome the whole way through, i'd point out that, besides Conditioned, it's probably the most upbeat track on there (musically and melodically, if not lyrically), not to mention the only song where they kinda "go off" on a fun jam (only real instrumental section on the album sans the bookends).

ya, pain of occupation, you hit the nail on the head.

...i loved this song right from the get-go. i just wish there was a bit more instru-jam on the two road salt albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 17, 2011, 03:37:21 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.

Care to elaborate? sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.

Care to elaborate? sounds fine to me.

Maybe it's just because I speak french, but to me it sound forced and his tone is far from natural. I've only listened to it once though so maybe I'll get used to it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 17, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
For a non-native french speaker I thought it was pretty good. Still seems a bit forced indeed, but I really like it :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 18, 2011, 01:20:01 AM
Well, what I can say about the music on Road salt 2 is that it's definitely more coherent and more balanced than the first Road salt.
What I really liked about RS 1 was the upbeat, almost joyous sounds of the first 2 songs.  On 2 there's some of that, but it's a lot more diverse.

It's not that the music is BAD, it's just that I think I'm having a lot more trouble converting to the new musical direction then I thought I would.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 01:34:34 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think of the french-part.

I see it like this: I really like the part itself, but it feels sorta random, sorta like Daniel thinking: "hey, let's take the arguably best song on the new album, and then put in a weird section that some people will hate", don't get me wrong because as I said, I do like the part myself, but French? :P
He could have done the part in English and it would have been just as good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 18, 2011, 03:57:54 AM
So, everyone thinks the French part is weird, but no one worries about the 'Western' part?  'kaaaay... :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 18, 2011, 05:46:21 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think of the french-part.

I see it like this: I really like the part itself, but it feels sorta random, sorta like Daniel thinking: "hey, let's take the arguably best song on the new album, and then put in a weird section that some people will hate", don't get me wrong because as I said, I do like the part myself, but French? :P
He could have done the part in English and it would have been just as good.

I think the fact that it is in French gives it a sort of elegance that it wouldn't have in English.  (That might only be because I really like the French language, of course)  However, I can see how it would be a bit more awkward to a native French speaker, especially if the pronunciation is off. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 06:21:10 AM
I like French myself, but seeing as the band has no connection to France whatsoever, that makes it a bit weird.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 18, 2011, 06:28:41 AM
After this tour is over, half of the band will be French.   :P  But I see your point. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 06:47:43 AM
Well still.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 18, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P

I didn't really start noticing changes until after Scarsick (been a fan since around BE). He's always been kinda pretentious and arrogant, but only over the past few years does that seem to have translated into outright vanity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 08:46:59 AM
I don't know if he's worse now, I mean is there anything in particular that makes you think so?
That answer to the facebook post, that just feels like a joke, not necessarily 100% super serious. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: EstyMaJ on November 18, 2011, 08:49:34 AM
Ok i will say it POS have been boring to me since BE i do like some scarsick but other than that BORING!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 08:52:07 AM
Not really that controversial, while I did really like RS2, neither RS1 or Scarsick do much for me, and would rank in low among the PoS albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 18, 2011, 08:53:26 AM
Oh, I dunno. Aside from his attitude and various comments others have pointed out, there's just the way he presents himself in the videos and whatnot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on November 18, 2011, 12:33:07 PM
Ok i will say it POS have been boring to me since BE i do like some scarsick but other than that BORING!
I don't think they've released anything particularly great since 12:5, so you're not the only one who's unimpressed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on November 18, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
Ok i will say it POS have been boring to me since BE i do like some scarsick but other than that BORING!
I don't think they've released anything particularly great since 12:5, so you're not the only one who's unimpressed.

Interesting I'm exact opposite. Road Salt albums are probably my favorite POS albums there is so much emotion in those songs and I love Scarsick as well... I got into POS through Remedy Lane and TPE and I still think those albums are really great but I prefer current POS direction
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 19, 2011, 04:46:12 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P

I didn't really start noticing changes until after Scarsick (been a fan since around BE). He's always been kinda pretentious and arrogant, but only over the past few years does that seem to have translated into outright vanity.
He was very obviously being tongue-in-cheek with that facebook comment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 19, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
Not that weird behavior IMO.
Honestly, many fans act like such retards sometimes, they complain that album X sucks shit, or that "the band hasn't done anything good since album Y" and similar things, it can't be easy for artists and bands to hear that kinda of criticism either.
Sometimes it doesn't even matter what they do, if they do something one way they'll hear criticism from some fans, if they go another way they'll get shit from other fans.

And in this example, I think Daniel gave a good answer to the facebook-post.
Yeah, two members are leaving, but is he supposed to disband Pain of Salvation completely? No, instead they are moving on, and I think it's a good thing personally. :P
The problem with many fans complaining is that it's very hard to please them, calling PoS a Daniel Gildenlöw project because two members are leaving (and have to be replaced) is one thing, but if he had ended Pain of Salvation instead, they would have complained about that instead.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 19, 2011, 05:02:41 AM
I'm also not sure why people seem so surprised or even offended at one of the musicians behind music they enjoy not being an awesome person in their eyes - I thought it was common knowledge that just because they make good music doesn't make them people you'd want to hang out with in the pub.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 19, 2011, 10:24:25 AM
I'm also not sure why people seem so surprised or even offended at one of the musicians behind music they enjoy not being an awesome person in their eyes - I thought it was common knowledge that just because they make good music doesn't make them people you'd want to hang out with in the pub.
I don't think it's surprise really, more like disappointment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 19, 2011, 12:22:25 PM
Faemer, that is the truth. And why i despise most fans. Especially us fans
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 19, 2011, 08:19:04 PM
RS2 is amazing. RS1 is meh. Scarsick blows. That's my thoughts. :P

Then BE is one of the best albums ever made. :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 20, 2011, 02:29:26 AM
RS2 is amazing. RS1 is meh. Scarsick blows. That's my thoughts. :P

Then BE is one of the best albums ever made. :heart :heart :heart :heart

Exaggeration perhaps, but I agree somewhat with what you're saying.

But I would say it more like this: I love BE, I love RS2, RS1 is fairly average, Scarsick has a few tracks but doesn't do much for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 20, 2011, 08:09:06 AM
I'm also not sure why people seem so surprised or even offended at one of the musicians behind music they enjoy not being an awesome person in their eyes - I thought it was common knowledge that just because they make good music doesn't make them people you'd want to hang out with in the pub.
I don't think it's surprise really, more like disappointment.

Well either way it's a wake-up call to not admire musicians for anything other than their music, unless other knowledge proves anything more. "Oh he makes awesome music, he must be an amazing person" is a ridiculous leap of logic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 21, 2011, 05:52:24 AM
I'm also not sure why people seem so surprised or even offended at one of the musicians behind music they enjoy not being an awesome person in their eyes - I thought it was common knowledge that just because they make good music doesn't make them people you'd want to hang out with in the pub.
I don't think it's surprise really, more like disappointment.

Well either way it's a wake-up call to not admire musicians for anything other than their music, unless other knowledge proves anything more. "Oh he makes awesome music, he must be an amazing person" is a ridiculous leap of logic.

Agreed.

Personally, I don't care about meeting the likes of Daniel Gildenlow, Steven Wilson or Mikael Akerfeldt. But that doesn't mean i'm a lesser fan than someone who does. I respect their music, and that's all that really matters to me. They're musicians.

Unless DG was a complete and utter twat (which he isn't) I'd still have time for his music. Same goes with any other artist, pompous/big-headed or not.

For me, all of this starts with the majority of music fans 'idolizing' these guys as role models. They're just human beings, like anyone else. More talented maybe, but humans nonetheless. Like anyone else, they will occasionally let you down.

Just for the record, none of DG's comments have ever bothered me. Not even in the slightest. If he was a racist piece of crap, then that would be a different story.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 21, 2011, 06:33:25 AM
The same goes for people 'wanting to meet their heroes'. I've been to see DT about 8 times in the last ten years or so and have never had the urge to go up and 'wait by the tourbus until they come out' or something...If they happen to be in the same room as me, that's a different story, but wait outside in the freezing cold, are you kidding me? No way I'd ever think of doing that.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2011, 10:55:21 AM
Yup. I'm the same way, i'm not gonna spend twice the ticket price to see said artist for one min.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 21, 2011, 03:56:39 PM
Listening to Remedy Lane again just confirms that POS need to back to writing progressive metal as soon as possible. This is too good to leave alone.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 22, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
Listening to Remedy Lane again just confirms that POS need to back to writing progressive metal as soon as possible. This is too good to leave alone.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. The Road Salt albums are totally refreshing, they sound very, very good, and the songs are really great. IMO, offcourse. I really think that, although I love RL, TPE and Be, these two albums are a great way of blending awesome music with some progressive touches.
In a way they've progressed prog.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 22, 2011, 09:32:40 AM
While I think the Road Salt albums (especially Two) are refreshing, I'd much rather have another The Perfect Element/Remedy Lane then Road Salt 3 at this point. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 22, 2011, 10:29:03 AM
I'm pretty sure DG has mentioned making TPE3 (or TPE2: "She" as I imagine it might be called), saying that it'd be epic and orchestral. That probably won't happen now though, as he seems to be heading further away from that direction every album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 22, 2011, 12:01:05 PM
I'm not quite sure what to think.
While TPE is one of my favorite PoS albums (probably tied with Entropia as my favorite), I don't care much for Scarsick sadly, even though it has some songs I like.
My main issue with Scarsick was mostly lyrics, but few songs lacked that major hook for me (the songs I really like would be Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track, maybe Enter Rain as well)
Songs like Cribcaged and Kingdom of Loss have a lot of potential, but lyrics sorta destroyed them for me, a bit at least (dragged them down), and the other songs I haven't mentioned.. I won't say I dislike them, but I don't really care for them either. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on November 22, 2011, 05:54:06 PM
I'm pretty sure DG has mentioned making TPE3 (or TPE2: "She" as I imagine it might be called), saying that it'd be epic and orchestral. That probably won't happen now though, as he seems to be heading further away from that direction every album.

What kind of sense does TPE2: "She" make? What about TPE3: "She"

Anyway I think that epic and orchestral TPE3 might be the next album easily did you expect album like Scarsick after BE? Or album like Road Salt after Scarsick? So why not?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
Listening to Remedy Lane again just confirms that POS need to back to writing progressive metal as soon as possible. This is too good to leave alone.

I'm happy to agree with this 100%
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 23, 2011, 11:06:40 AM
I'm pretty sure DG has mentioned making TPE3 (or TPE2: "She" as I imagine it might be called), saying that it'd be epic and orchestral. That probably won't happen now though, as he seems to be heading further away from that direction every album.

What kind of sense does TPE2: "She" make? What about TPE3: "She"

Anyway I think that epic and orchestral TPE3 might be the next album easily did you expect album like Scarsick after BE? Or album like Road Salt after Scarsick? So why not?

Well, TPE2: "He" could be just part 1 of part 2, if you know what I mean. And TPE2: "She" could be part 2 of part 2. Just a thought I had. Remember, in the TPE booklet, the entire concept is listed at "a planned two-part concept".

And sorry, orchestral was the wrong word, I think he said "symphonic". And "why not", because to me, the word "symphonic" suggests a very classic, diatonic kind of harmony (probably because of "symphonic metal"). Also, when "POS" and "symphonic" are mentioned, I automatically think of "BE". So I think he could definitely go orchestral, just not necessarily what I would call "symphonic".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on November 23, 2011, 11:14:40 AM
UK tour in February!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 23, 2011, 11:18:52 AM
Is anyone else even more confused regarding the Frederik situation?  Kind of odd for them to release a request for Johan's replacement but not even touch on the issue of the keyboardist spot. 

Part of me is really hoping that this means that Frederik really is staying with them and this was all a big misunderstanding.  Either way, it kind of sucks that they (Daniel) are being this vague about the supposed departure of one member and not another. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 23, 2011, 11:21:59 AM
UK tour in February!

Have they announced dates?!

EDIT:

FUCKING
YESSS

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=251101351612926

TINY venue in my city. This will be amazing
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Post by: ariich on November 23, 2011, 04:09:28 PM
AWESOME

Ticket booked for the London show at the Garage, which is also a tiny venue.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 23, 2011, 04:30:35 PM
Literally never thought I'd see this band play a headline set
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on November 23, 2011, 04:36:05 PM
Literally never thought I'd see this band play a headline set
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 23, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
In b4 TheVoxyn comes and says he has seem them headline 4 times already.

o shi-
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
In b4 TheVoxyn comes and says he has seem them headline 4 times already.

o shi-

WAT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 24, 2011, 06:08:26 AM
I'm totally going to that Leeds gig!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on November 24, 2011, 07:20:23 AM
I'm totally going to that Leeds gig!

THIS!!!  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 24, 2011, 07:51:26 AM
In b4 TheVoxyn comes and says he has seem them headline 4 times already.

o shi-

WAT
:millahhhh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 09:57:34 AM
I'm totally going to that Leeds gig!

Good call, it'll be good banter
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 24, 2011, 10:26:45 AM
Me and Tahlia/Silver Tears are going to see them at the Glasgow gig. 110 capacity :o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 11:21:59 AM
Me and Tahlia/Silver Tears are going to see them at the Glasgow gig. 110 capacity :o

Wow man. Should be good.

I don't actually understand the listing of that last UK show; PoS say it's in London, SeeTickets says it's in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 24, 2011, 11:27:10 AM
That's probably because there's a "The Garage" in Glasgow too and SeeTickets are retarded.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 24, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
Yeah just order from HMV tickets (which the PoS facebook links to anyway) which gets it right.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
That's probably because there's a "The Garage" in Glasgow too and SeeTickets are retarded.

Better than TicketMaster, bro
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 24, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Didn't mean in general. I just meant in this particular case :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 03:54:40 PM
Didn't mean in general. I just meant in this particular case :P

Ah yes, my bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 24, 2011, 04:39:11 PM
Well, to be fair, it was pretty easy to assume that is what I meant based on what I said.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 24, 2011, 04:57:18 PM
Well, to be fair, it was pretty easy to assume that is what I meant based on what I said.

True.

Anyway, REJOICE

PAIN OF SALVATION HEADLINING THE UK WOO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 04, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
Pain of Salvation was really awesome live, just came home from the show.
The negative part? That they only played for 45 minutes, but being the opening band it was expected, and Daniel said that they would come back in the spring, so I am excited for that.

The setlist (no surprises)

1. Softly She Cries
2. Ashes
3. Conditioned
4. 1979
5. To the Shoreline
6. Diffidentia (Breaching the Core)
7. Linoleum
8. No Way

Daniel said that he wanted to play Kingdom of Loss but was overruled by the others, instead they played Diffidentia which is just one of my favorite PoS-songs, such a kickass tune, especially live.
Mostly Road Salt songs (not surprising), and while I really like Ashes, it's not among my favorite "classics", and seeing as they only played two older songs, I might have enjoyed another song more.
But it's a minor complaint, if I see them again, I get more old songs. :D
Strong performance by the band, sad that Johan will leave, seeing as he is such a stage-persona :(
But oh well, show was great, even got a pic with Daniel after the show, so epic stuff!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on December 04, 2011, 03:24:13 PM
I guess I'll give RS2 another chance. After one listen I wasn't impressed at all. I love RS1 though so we'll see.
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Post by: Zantera on December 04, 2011, 03:31:12 PM
I guess I'll give RS2 another chance. After one listen I wasn't impressed at all. I love RS1 though so we'll see.

RS2 is much better then RS1 IMO, while I do love the first, I think the second is even better, I would probably pick all RS2 songs over all RS1 songs, except for maybe No Way and Sisters. (which are my favorites on RS1)

But still, RS2 is my fourth favorite PoS album after TPE, Entropia and BE. :)
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 04, 2011, 03:32:23 PM
Loved RS2 on the first listen, and then I stopped liking it. Now I like it again. Listening to them both back to back is a pretty cool experience.
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Post by: Crow on December 04, 2011, 06:50:47 PM
hey hmm this album has bonus songs right hmm let's listen to them in context of the album

Break Darling Break - oh god I'm so glad this was excluded from the album. First listen tells me this is the 2nd worst PoS song, only avoiding the worst spot because it's so much shorter than spitfall. Nope, I will never listen to this song again.

Of Salt - Oh hey it's got the same melodies as Of Dust. surprised that I didn't expect that actually. ...why was this cut from the album? Should've stayed there. Yeah recycled melodies but who gives a damn, it's done with a different atmosphere so.

seriously though
Break Darling Break is a crappy song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on December 04, 2011, 07:03:46 PM
Break Darling Break has recurring themes too, therefore I like it included in the album.  Also, Spitfall is excellent.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on December 04, 2011, 07:06:25 PM
hey hmm this album has bonus songs right hmm let's listen to them in context of the album

Break Darling Break - oh god I'm so glad this was excluded from the album. First listen tells me this is the 2nd worst PoS song, only avoiding the worst spot because it's so much shorter than spitfall. Nope, I will never listen to this song again.

Of Salt - Oh hey it's got the same melodies as Of Dust. surprised that I didn't expect that actually. ...why was this cut from the album? Should've stayed there. Yeah recycled melodies but who gives a damn, it's done with a different atmosphere so.

seriously though
Break Darling Break is a crappy song.

Breaking Darling Break is one of the best songs I've heard from RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on December 04, 2011, 07:08:57 PM
I do not own this bonus track or the other one :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on December 04, 2011, 07:11:40 PM
Break Darling Break has recurring themes too, therefore I like it included in the album.  Also, Spitfall is excellent.
Well then I can't be friends with you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Xanthul on December 05, 2011, 12:23:11 AM
Listening to RS1 right now and then I will listen to RS2, let's see if I can get into these guys. I enjoyed them when I saw them open for Opeth, Daniel always seems so energetic on stage, both with PoS and Transatlantic.

I've decided to start with these albums because I heard a couple of songs a while ago and I liked the bluesy feel, plus I've also heard a couple of songs from Remedy Lane and I didn't like those as much.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2011, 03:56:58 AM
Break Darling Break has recurring themes too, therefore I like it included in the album.  Also, Spitfall is excellent.
Well then I can't be friends with you.

That's too bad for you, I'm pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tyrias on December 05, 2011, 07:04:45 AM
So, I've come to the conclusion that Road Salt 2 is really great and Pain of Salvation are great live.( Even thoug the mix at the concert i attended was kinda crappy... Their second singer war shouting into the microphone and I couldn't hear a thing he was singing, and then the bass was too loud to...) Daniel had a stunning vocal performance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on December 05, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
So it's PoS (and Opeth) time tomorrow in Helsinki!!
(https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/upfiles/smiley/banana.gif)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 09, 2011, 06:36:13 PM
If anyone's interested, there's a really nice interview with a lot more info on the recent departures/many other things.  It begins with the link, but he really gets into the Fredrik/Johan related matters in the 3rd and 4th parts. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzluuIo0WOE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on December 09, 2011, 07:38:19 PM
Great interview. Daniel came across really well I thought.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 10, 2011, 02:55:53 AM
Great interview indeed, some interesting stuff in it.
I've always liked Faceculture, I think they ask better/deeper questions then the standard "how is it going?" etc. :P
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Post by: faemir on December 10, 2011, 11:00:30 AM
Great interview, I thought it was really interesting about the sound engineer pressure to have a "sound".

edit: he also came across as very well spoken.
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Post by: Zorander on December 11, 2011, 04:40:04 PM
Pain of Salvation was really awesome live, just came home from the show.
The negative part? That they only played for 45 minutes, but being the opening band it was expected, and Daniel said that they would come back in the spring, so I am excited for that.

The setlist (no surprises)

1. Softly She Cries
2. Ashes
3. Conditioned
4. 1979
5. To the Shoreline
6. Diffidentia (Breaching the Core)
7. Linoleum
8. No Way


Strong performance by the band, sad that Johan will leave, seeing as he is such a stage-persona :(
But oh well, show was great, even got a pic with Daniel after the show, so epic stuff!

Went to see Opeth and PoS in Oslo two days ago. Been a long time since I've listened to either band actually. But I just happened to walk by a poster and thought, why not?! Called a friend who's a huge Opeth fan so ofc he was up for it =P

I think PoS had the exact same setlist in this show, though I'm not sure.. I lost track of PoS since Scarsick really. Haven't heard a second of RS2, but I have got a couple of listens to RS1. Still, I was pleasantly surprised at the concert. Never seen them live before, and most of the songs really rocked live! Guess I have to check out RS1&2. If I'm not totally mistaken I really, really enjoyed songs 4,5 and 6. (I didnt catch the first song, as I was just entering). I was really surprised at the awesome live mix too. So they nailed that show pretty well as far as I'm concerned :)

Opeth was really cool too. Though they didn't play anything from Ghost Reveries, which is my favorite album. Kinda sad, but then again I've seen GR played live before ;-)

Also .. I think DG said it was the very last show for both Johan and one of the other band members. Johan celebrated this by undressing, throwing his clothes to the audience, and posing in his underwear. (Sorry to dissapoint, by I couldn't get my phone out for a picture fast enough  :lol)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 12, 2011, 02:25:56 AM
That's cool, awesome that you enjoyed it!  :D

On another note, PoS just announced a gig here in Gothenburg in March again, so I'm gonna buy tickets ASAP, probably tomorrow.
Can't wait for seeing them again, with a longer set (which leaves much more room for them to do it 'their' way, and more variety in terms of the setlist)  :angel:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on December 14, 2011, 03:25:32 AM
Also .. I think DG said it was the very last show for both Johan and one of the other band members. Johan celebrated this by undressing, throwing his clothes to the audience, and posing in his underwear. (Sorry to dissapoint, by I couldn't get my phone out for a picture fast enough  :lol)
Nooooooooooooooo! :tdwn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2011, 03:57:28 AM
I've bought tickets for the show in Gothenburg in March now, can't wait to see them again!
Yeah it feels a bit sad that Johan and Fredrik will leave, but I trust Daniel in finding two new members that can do a great job, hopefully we wont miss Johan and Fredrik as much as we think.

All in all, really excited about the possibility to get more older songs, don't get me wrong now (I love RS2 and like RS1), but if we can get a few classics into the set, I would be really happy.
Also, from RS2 they didn't really play any of my favorites (top3 on the album would be Physics of Gridlock, The Deeper Cut and Healing Now), so hopefully they will bring out those.

Some form of fanboy/won't happen-wish setlist for the tour:

1. Road Salt Theme (Intro)
2. Softly She Cries
3. Conditioned
4. Foreword
5. Her Voices
6. Healing Now
7. Sisters
8. Winning a War
9. Home
10. Trace of Blood
11. The Deeper Cut
12. This Heart of Mine/Song For the Innocent (Brickwork type of thing)
13. Flame to the Moth
14. Lilium Cruentus
15. The Perfect Element
---
16. The Physics of Gridlock

I don't know, something like that.. though it will certainly be less old stuff and more new stuff.
The only thing I really wish for is no Hallelujah and hopefully not too many Scarsick songs, mostly because I think a cover is a waste if you look at all the songs they could play instead, and as for Scarsick, there are a few songs I'm not so keen on.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 14, 2011, 04:57:52 AM
They really need to start playing Curiosity live.  It's probably the most rocking, energetic piece in their catalog, perfect for a live setting, and yet they've never done it. 
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on December 14, 2011, 01:47:54 PM
You won't get to see it either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on December 14, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
oh shit
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: carl320 on December 17, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Just posting to say that TPE Pt.1 is just as amazing as the day it clicked for me.  Her Voices through King of Loss are absolute perfection.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on December 17, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
Why have I still not listened to Road Salt 2 yet? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 17, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Why have I still not listened to Road Salt 2 yet? :facepalm:

You slack. It's their best album since BE, so get on with it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on December 18, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Have you guys heard the new Dark Suns album? What's wrong with people going 70s these days? At least that one is actually good.

Anyone here thinking Road Salts are better than Witchcraft albums?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on December 23, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Why have I still not listened to Road Salt 2 yet? :facepalm:

I hope you've listened to it by now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on December 23, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
You won't get to see it either way.

Sad, but true.

Seth is right though, Curiosity is screaming to be played live, and it's the best of RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2011, 03:39:00 PM
You won't get to see it either way.

Sad, but true.

Seth is right though, Curiosity is screaming to be played live, and it's the best of RS1.

Why?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on December 24, 2011, 05:53:19 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=167597

Swedish progressive rockers PAIN OF SALVATION have announced the addition of keyboardist Daniel "D2" Karlsson to the group's ranks. The band has also confirmed that Gustaf Hielm (ex-MESHUGGAH) will be the bass player for its February/March 2012 European tour.

Gustaf previously played with PAIN OF SALVATION back in 1994, years before he became involved with CHARTA 77 and MESHUGGAH.

Commented PAIN OF SALVATION mainman Daniel Gildenlöw: "It feels great to have Gustaf on board for the tour. He is truly one of the best bass players I have ever seen, and I can't wait to hear him take on the songs."

Karlsson previously played keyboards for PAIN OF SALVATION in India and handled the bass for the band on tour in South America and in Europe. In addition, he did the lights for PAIN OF SALVATION in Skellefteå.

Stated Gildenlöw: "Through the years we have always had problems finding people who can master ONE instrument well enough to play our songs the way they should be played, so needless to say [Karlsson] has impressed us by playing both the bass and the keyboard with total conviction. Asking him to join the band was a natural step. Also, band meetings were getting boring with only me and Léo there."

Added Karlsson: "To be a part of this band is a real honor. I'm very grateful to have been around PAIN OF SALVATION for quite some time, both as a technician and a musician and a fan of course, and suddenly I'm being a part of them for real. It pays off to work your way up.

"My intentions is not be the 'new' Fredrik, because there's only one. And a damn good one! But I'll do my best to carry the spirit on and bring a new chapter to the history of PAIN OF SALVATION. I'm looking forward to be a part of the future of the best band in the world."

PAIN OF SALVATION's new album, "Road Salt II" was released on September 26 in Europe and was made available on October 11 in North America via InsideOut Music.


Still no word on who is replacing Johan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on December 24, 2011, 05:58:59 AM
Why have I still not listened to Road Salt 2 yet? :facepalm:

I hope you've listened to it by now.

I haven't lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on December 24, 2011, 10:16:29 AM
BAD DOGGIE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on December 25, 2011, 08:01:56 AM
Why have I still not listened to Road Salt 2 yet? :facepalm:

I hope you've listened to it by now.

I haven't lol
Neither have I. I keep meaning to, but it's never really a high priority. My interest in the band is definitely waning after so many disappointments.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 29, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
So the former lights guy/guitar tech/touring bassist is taking over Fredrik's spot on keys?  Multi-talented guy!  Anyway, I'm glad that they found someone to come in as a full member instead of this whole touring member thing they've been doing a lot recently.  Just two more spots to fill, now!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 29, 2011, 09:54:10 AM
Yeah, I prefer permanent members over stand-ins as well.
I can't say I know anything about the new guy, but he sounds interesting, and if Daniel thinks he's a good pick, I trust him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on January 06, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Surprised no one has bumped this thread with info on the new guitarist yet...

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/presenting-the-guitarist/

Quote
We are proud to present the last piece of the puzzle for the upcoming tour line-up – the guitar player.

First, a little background on the auditions. So, we had applications coming in from the whole world (including a few countries we had barely heard of) and it was a pretty massive task to go through them all and make our choices. From close to a hundred applicants we harshly narrowed it down to five guitar players being invited to our rehearsing room for auditions. One from Sweden, one from the UK, one from Iceland, one from Germany and one from France. These were the top-of-the-crop, and it’s quite telling that they were all lead singers in their respective past or present bands. It was hard to choose, especially between the top two guys. However, when the dust settled, it was to Iceland that we turned, and the magical Ragnar Zolberg. So, without further ado, here he is:

Holy ravens! what the f**k just happened!?
My gratitude and excitement for the upcoming tour is far beyond words and I feel unbelievably privileged to be sharing the stage with one of my favorite bands.

I’ve been going through the songs during the whole christmas that I’m spending here in London, but the only guitar I had was my nephew’s guitar…..he’s 2 years old!
Let’s just say that it’s a very small one but it sort of keeps in tune so it’s not all bad.

I can’t wait to start rocking out to the music that we’ve all come to love so dearly and I will devote my whole heart to it!

Peace
Ragnar Zolberg

We are certain that Ragnar will have everything that’s needed to kick your asses on the upcoming tour, and our first four days of rehearsals only strengthened that feeling. He is an excellent guitar player and an outstanding vocalist, and he knows how to make use of those abilities while rocking out on stage. On top of that he is an awesome person. What’s not to like?

(https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120105-215914.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on January 06, 2012, 12:49:53 PM
He's sexy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 06, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
I saw that earlier today.
Hopefully he's a good fit.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on January 06, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
He's sexy.

I'm not gay, but I would fuck him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 06, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
Ragnar Zolberg is the manliest name I've ever heard.

The name alone could kick my ass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 06, 2012, 06:22:47 PM
One month until I see them live (headlining) :caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obscure on January 07, 2012, 04:21:15 AM
YESSSS!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 07, 2012, 05:07:38 AM
Daniel better beware, anohter sexy beast in the band....  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on January 07, 2012, 11:17:32 AM
Holy fuck he's way hotter than Daniel and I'm not even into blondes. Pretty sure I just wet myself.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on January 07, 2012, 04:31:40 PM
Bought my ticket for the Leeds show today. I am excite
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on January 08, 2012, 04:18:12 PM
He's sexy.

Yes, yes he is. *drools*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on January 08, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
Tahlia let's make a sandwich :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on January 08, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
I'm gonna try one of those things black_floyd does.


Ragnaros

(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110617044005/wowwiki/images/thumb/e/e2/Ragnaros_the_Firelord.png/493px-Ragnaros_the_Firelord.png)

+

Zoidberg

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Dr_John_Zoidberg.png)


=


Ragnaros Zoidberg

(https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120105-215914.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on January 08, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
COULD A MAN BE MORE AWESOME THAN THAT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on January 08, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 09, 2012, 04:32:34 AM
haha Zoidberg  :lol
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Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2012, 04:41:45 AM
Someone should do a meme: Need a guitarist? Why not Zolberg?  :lol
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Post by: Silver Tears on January 09, 2012, 05:03:41 AM
Tahlia let's make a sandwich :eyebrows:

Hells yah  :eyebrows:
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Post by: faemir on February 04, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
Girlfriend bought me tickets to see these guys in Leeds, EXCITE.

Petrucci07, want to meet up?
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Post by: ariich on February 05, 2012, 05:21:15 AM
Anyone else going to the London show a week on Monday? :caffeine:
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 05, 2012, 11:04:27 AM
No. All the cool people are going to the Glasgow show.
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Post by: obscure on February 05, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
Anyone else going to the London show a week on Monday? :caffeine:
:'( :'( :'(
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 05, 2012, 11:18:30 AM
Yes, it can be quite upsetting to think that no one will go with him but try and remember that it's Rich and he deserves it.
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 05, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
Leeds show on Saturday, so excited
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Post by: Zantera on February 05, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Can't wait to see the setlist.
It will most likely be 50-60% Road Salt songs, but the interesting part to me is what old stuff they are planning on performing. Don't get me wrong now, but Ashes, Undertow and Chain Sling have become a bit "dull" in the sense that they are often there, and it's not that they aren't great tunes, but it removes the spots for 3 other songs.
I saw Ashes when I saw them open for Opeth, and honestly I enjoy the 12:5 version more, the "regular" version is probably one of my least favorite "popular" PoS-songs. Undertow and Chain Sling are cool, but I would much rather see King of Loss or Her Voices for example. Foreword, Nightmist, Handful of Nothing and A Trace of Blood are some others I would love.
From BE they can play pretty much what they want, the album is just a masterpiece, and while I was lucky to get Diffidentia the last time I saw them, I would take it again because it's THAT good.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 05, 2012, 12:20:18 PM
Some words on the upcoming live material (might have already posted this but it seems relevant right now) from DG:

Quote
PAIN OF SALVATION mastermind Daniel Gildenlöw checked in to comment about the upcoming tour as follows:
"We have added a lot of asked-for unplayed material on the setlist, among others 'Stress', 'Healing Now' and 'Sisters'. We are also working on a totally reworked version of 'King of Loss' and we are additionally rehearsing 'The Physics of Gridlock' and 'The Deeper Cut', as well as some older material that we haven't played in a while."

All some of their best songs, if you ask me.  Particularly, I never thought "Stress" would see the light of day; brilliant song.  The Road Salt ones he mentioned  are much stronger than the other ones they've been playing, too. 

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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 05, 2012, 12:37:25 PM
Wow! Must see that!


*checks out tour dates*
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 05, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
Sweet. Only five days away now.
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Post by: Zantera on February 05, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
Sounds promising.
The Physics of Gridlock is my favorite from Road Salt Two, so I would love to see it live.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 05, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
"DRYAD OF THE WOODS"  :eek
that is all.
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Post by: bout to crash on February 06, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
Really? That's one of my least favorite parts of that album.
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2012, 12:26:15 AM
...From BE they can play pretty much what they want, the album is just a masterpiece, and while I was lucky to get Diffidentia the last time I saw them, I would take it again because it's THAT good.

it kinda bugs me that diffidentia is THE go-to song for "BE", live.

i've never really obsessed over knowing all their setlists, but as far as i thought, they next-to-never play other tracks off "BE", do they? if so, is it that daniel just isnt comfortable without the orchestra for the other songs?
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Post by: Zantera on February 06, 2012, 01:49:57 AM
Yeah when you say it, it's a bit interesting I guess.
Diffidentia is quite possibly more "easy" to change from studio to a live setting, but I don't think the others would be too impossible either. Lilium Cruentus, Dea Pecuniae or Iter Impius would be amazing live I reckon.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 06, 2012, 03:22:13 AM
Orrrrrr

Nihil Morari?















 :P
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Post by: wolfking on February 06, 2012, 04:00:37 AM
Diffidentia is one of the weakest from BE, meaning it's still brilliant but most of the other songs are even more brilliant.  I'd be happy to see it replaced with another track form the album.
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Post by: obscure on February 06, 2012, 04:31:38 AM
Yes, it can be quite upsetting to think that no one will go with him but try and remember that it's Rich and he deserves it.
:laugh:
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
so no one knows? daniel's never explained why Diffidentia is THE "BE" song for live shows?
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 06, 2012, 06:48:48 PM
It seems to be the least dependent on the orchestra sections, and probably the most fitting song on BE for a live setting.  A few others would probably work, though, and they do use an orchestra track when playing Diffidentia live nowadays anyway. 

Also, I know they've played at least Dea Pecuniae and Martius/Nauticus II live before once or a few times, and possibly others as well.  Just not nearly as frequently. 
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2012, 07:45:04 PM
nihil-morari is right...nihil morari would be a sick addition to any given setlist.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 06, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Yeah, I'd love to see if they could pull it off with the vocal parts from the album throughout the middle section that weren't on the DVD, that would be intense.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 06, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
Deus nova would be a create addition. I haven't seen them live,and doubt I will, but I know diffidentia is a what?for me. if you think about it a song like nihil morari would be a great encore
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 06, 2012, 08:00:25 PM
Yeah, I'd love to see if they could pull it off with the vocal parts from the album throughout the middle section that weren't on the DVD, that would be intense.

I don't have the studio version. As I think live BE is way better and guys the atmosphere and mood of what BE is.
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2012, 09:51:13 PM
really?!! i thought he only improved the songs from the when the DVD was recorded to when the CD was tracked...gave him some time to work on a few things that werent yet perfected, i always thought.
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Post by: Adami on February 06, 2012, 09:59:31 PM
There were quite a few improvements made to the studio CD of BE over the live. However the live version has a few things that the studio sorely lacks.

- Johan's lead vocals at times
- Original guitar solo in Iter Impus
- Way better production
- Better vocals on that churchish song
- The Rawness of it all is superior to the super polished studio version.

Few other things like guitar sounds and vocal production and stuff that I can't recall the specifics of.


I would love a blend of the two versions somehow.
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 07, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
well now you guys have me wanting to throw in the "BE" DVD sometime soon. i havent watched it in forever; i always just throw on 'the second death of" when i need my POS live dvd fix.
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 07, 2012, 12:02:55 PM
Only 3 days until I see them in a 110 capacity venue :caffeine:
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 07, 2012, 12:20:42 PM
wow. sounds like something that could be the 'best concert experience of all time".

jealous.
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 07, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Cryptex and Lifescreen are supporting at the European shows.

They're not very good
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Post by: Silver Tears on February 09, 2012, 05:13:27 AM
TOMORROWTOMORROWTOMORROW!!

Any other DTFers going to the Glasgow gig? (apart from acidlameface)
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 09, 2012, 08:06:55 AM
Shut up
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Post by: faemir on February 10, 2012, 05:08:24 AM
WOO STILL GOING

I remembered a friend who is at leeds university, staying over his.

PHEW
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 10, 2012, 07:33:40 AM
Nice! Gig tonight :caffeine:
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Post by: Zantera on February 11, 2012, 02:38:16 AM
I saw the setlist for the show yesterday. Not really overwhelmed, I do think it will be cool to see them never the less, but without spoiling it for anyone else, it wasn't really any of the older tracks that I REALLY want to see badly.
However, the setlist might change with a song here or there, so we'll see.
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 11, 2012, 05:02:05 AM
Excellent gig. I was so close to Daniel Gildenlöw I could feel his breath. Also, I couldn't take many photos because the lighting wasn't great but I was so close that I didn't want to fire off the flash in their faces. Here's some of the ones I took anyway:

Guy from the support band:

(https://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/427066_10150547068732672_583802671_8972234_317722945_n.jpg)

(https://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/432066_10150547068797672_583802671_8972235_1373808209_n.jpg)

(https://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/400277_10150547068847672_583802671_8972236_1984423203_n.jpg)

(https://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/397117_10150547069162672_583802671_8972241_747427319_n.jpg)

(https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/425735_10150547069237672_583802671_8972242_628407825_n.jpg)

Daniel Gildenlöw explaining that their tour bus was taller than the venue:

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(https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/424568_10150547069392672_583802671_8972244_1465836293_n.jpg)
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Post by: bout to crash on February 11, 2012, 08:07:20 AM
Moar Ragnar plz
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Post by: faemir on February 12, 2012, 10:36:55 AM
Saw them in Leeds, setlist was great though they had a plethora of technical issues (so we got some impromptu Beatles, yay).

The mics were waay too quite so I couldn't clearly hear the singing for a loot of the show which was disappointing, but my friends with earplugs said they could nicely hear everything so of course the sound mixer would be ignorant to those like me too.

Fat tall people in front for a lot of it, support bands were crap (started at 8pm...PoS came on at 10pm, fuck I wish we didn't have support bands).

One super bright light was shining in my eyes for half the show, I couldnt look at the stage it was fucking ridiculous.

The epic final song was almost almost almost ruined by some FUCK directly behind me who was clapping out of time loudly for the whole song.. on his own. ARGH FUCK THAT GUY. I so nearly turned around but I tried to enjoy the song instead and pretty much did.

Leo and Daniel were awesome, the temps were cool too.


They had so many problems as I was hearing talking to all their cool staff, they were missing half there gear as it was in Germany (lighting, amps, guitars, merch etc.) because of some idiots who took out shit they shouldn't have.

All in all it was great with a great setlist, but I definitely want to see them again so I can.. hear things better and be able to look at them without being blinded or blocked by a fat tall woman or guy with huge mohawk.
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 13, 2012, 03:49:35 AM
Went to the show with Faemir, but I had earplugs so the sound was somehow better for me. Setlist was epic as fuck, ENTER RAAAAIN
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Post by: faemir on February 14, 2012, 01:06:19 PM
Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element
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Post by: Zantera on February 14, 2012, 01:29:05 PM
Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

Haha, you're funny.  :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Fran521 on February 14, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

I agree
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 14, 2012, 02:16:47 PM
They're playing Enter Rain now too?  Daaaaaaaaamn, grl
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 14, 2012, 02:57:18 PM
i wholeheartedly agree ( BTP > TPE)

definitely not laughable, zantera.

what WOULD be laughable is ranking enter rain above either of them.
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Post by: Zantera on February 14, 2012, 03:08:35 PM
Well, Beyond the Pale is not bad by any means, but hasn't really clicked for me. The Perfect Element is a much better song as I see it, I would also take A Trace of Blood over Beyond the Pale if that says anything.
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Post by: faemir on February 14, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
To be fair, both The Perfect Element and Enter Rain were amazing live, as was Physics of Gridlock :D
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 15, 2012, 02:37:23 AM
The Deeper Cut was fucking epic
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Post by: Zantera on February 15, 2012, 03:04:17 AM
I must have The Perfect Element AND The Physics of Gridlock when I see them. Enter Rain would be cool too, but if I had to choose out of the 3 which I "could" miss, then I would say Enter Rain.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 15, 2012, 03:49:39 AM
I don't want to read this, I don't have the money to go see them















 :(
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Post by: ariich on February 16, 2012, 12:06:30 PM
London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.
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Post by: Zantera on February 16, 2012, 12:24:24 PM
London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.
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Post by: Adami on February 16, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.
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Post by: jammindude on February 16, 2012, 12:31:32 PM
Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

I agree

Me three.  Beyond the Pale is the perfect PoS song in my book.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 16, 2012, 12:35:42 PM
A Vampire's View is totally a great DG moment.

Maybe one of his best.
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Post by: ariich on February 16, 2012, 12:40:55 PM
London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.
As with most bands, I would expect them to mostly play newer stuff. There was 1 song from each of Entropia and TPE, nothing from OHBTCL. The only slight disappointment was there being nothing at all from Be, but even then, I'm not really bothered. If every song is one I like, and that I enjoyed live, then as far as I'm concerned it's a great setlist.
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 16, 2012, 01:19:46 PM
Pretty sure they play Ashes at every show
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Post by: MirzekDT on February 16, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.

Are you fucking kidding me??? Lack of soul is probably the last possible argument to say that Road Salt albums are bad.  Horrible production that I can at least understand even though I think it has amazing production much much better than many modern albums. Maybe I just love Road Salt albums too much but saying it lacks soul just really bothers me.
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Post by: Zantera on February 16, 2012, 03:22:38 PM
Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.

Any sources on that?
I'm not suggesting that you are wrong at all, just curious to read into it a bit more.

Rich @ Yeah, it's understandable that most songs are from the Road Salt albums, since they are the newest albums. My "problem" wasn't really that they had too few songs from the older albums, but rather the fact that "Ashes" has been played like crazy the last couple of years, and it could have been replaced with another song from the album. If they play the title-track AND Ashes however, then personally I would have loved to see it replaced by something from BE, just for some diversity. And if that wouldn't have worked live, then why not something from OHBTCL? Handful of Nothing, Home, Inside or New Years Eve would be cool.  ;)
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 16, 2012, 04:03:09 PM
Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck
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Post by: Zantera on February 17, 2012, 01:17:00 AM
Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck

But not The Physics of Gridlock? :/
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 17, 2012, 10:05:13 AM
Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck

But not The Physics of Gridlock? :/

That too.
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Post by: Zantera on February 17, 2012, 11:47:24 AM
Then it's awesome sauce.
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 22, 2012, 08:56:12 PM
A Vampire's View is totally a great DG moment.

Maybe one of his best.

fucking LOVE this song (would love to hear TFK or POS do a full album in that 'musical' type vibe).

...but if anyone's looking for something a bit more gildenlow-esque, look no further than Threnody for an Endling (featuring lyrics, vocal arrangements, and voice by the man himself) from Axamenta's album Ever-Arch-I-Tech-Ture
...SUCH a POS-esque song its ridiculous. it somehow sounds more like TPE than anything on TPE.

i actually have a harebrained theory on how the song (released in 06) changed the direction of POS .
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 23, 2012, 01:52:06 AM
Checking it out right now. But youtube has two versions of it, a 5 minute and a 9 minute version. Which one is it?



EDIT: sounds really cool indeed. Guitar sounds are totally DG's, I mean, they must be. The backgrounds voc's too.
Okay, but the songs really bores me only 3 minutes in. Just a lack of composition from this Belgian (!) band, I guess.

Actually after the ending I take that back. The song is 'only' 5:30 long, and it has a great attention span for that.

Interesting listen, thanks!
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 23, 2012, 11:49:04 AM
hrrmm. i wasnt aware of a 9 minute version. i better check it out.

a little surprised you initially found it boring part way thru or that they lacked compositional awesomeness (maybe it will really 'click' with a couple more spins). i've been crazy addicted to the song since finding it last summer. maybe it can partly be attributed to the fact its a fresh take (fresh for me) on a style of daniel's i haven't been newly exposed to in over a decade, but i really love everything about the song; the melodies and emotion are there, and i find the arrangement and dynamics nothing short of superb (and dat whistle!).
the album also features a short instrumental track that leads into Threnody; they go together quite nice.

i also found a song by an Israeli band called Ephrat that DG guested on in 08. not bad, though i never got super into it. its also mixed/mastered by hero of the forum, steven wilson.

and as much as i love both Threnody and A Vampire's View, i still think my ultimate DG guest appearance is Spastic Ink's "Melissa's Friend" (i think my wife considers it my theme song or something)...if there are any DG fans out there that are ALSO technical prog metal fans but have been living under a rock and HAVEN'T heard this song, go do so now!...just watch out, you might cream your pants.  :metal
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 23, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
I once listened to the Ephrat one, but it totally didn't click, and I was fully aware of the DG/SW combo on there.


Oh and Melissa's Friend is beyond awesome, actually that whole album is.


Actually both Spastic Ink albums are.



Actually both Ron Jarzombek's solo albums are awesome too.
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Post by: pain of occupation on February 23, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Morari, you gotz good taste.

there ought to be a jarzombek appreciation thread around these parts.
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Post by: Zantera on February 24, 2012, 03:36:03 AM
Apparently they played Iter Impius on their last gig.  :omg:
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Post by: cyberdrummer on February 24, 2012, 05:08:06 AM
Apparently they played Iter Impius on their last gig.  :omg:

Came here to post the exact same thing. Shame I've already seen them on this tour...
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 24, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
WHAT
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Post by: faemir on February 25, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Post by: Nick on February 25, 2012, 01:39:12 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I too wish they were playing better songs.
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Post by: faemir on February 25, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
To be fair, I had a killer setlist anyway.
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Post by: petrucci07 on February 26, 2012, 05:35:54 AM
To be fair, I had a killer setlist anyway.

Damn right we did
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Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2012, 06:11:07 AM
The last setlist in Switzerland had a really epic setlist.
The Deeper Cut, Iter Impius, The Perfect Element, Enter Rain, The Physics of Gridlock and Sisters. (pointing out the more epic stuff)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/z7-konzertfabrik-pratteln-switzerland-13def541.html
That is almost spot on for what I would love to hear when I see them in 3 weeks.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 26, 2012, 07:17:02 AM
That's an amazing setlist, one of the best ones I've ever seen from them.

I'm still hoping that the reworked version of King of Loss will show up sometime soon.  Also, a set like this would be ideal for the apparent DVD that Daniel mentioned some time ago. 
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Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2012, 07:23:09 AM
Yeah, I would love to hear the new version of King of Loss.
Personally I think they could switch Kingdom of Loss with King of Loss, though I know Daniel loves the former, and it's the only Scarsick song on the setlist. I think it's a great song myself, but I prefer King of Loss. Personally I think they could maybe switch Kingdom of Loss with King of Loss, but replace Ashes with Scarsick or Flame to the Moth. (America could be cool as well)
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 26, 2012, 07:17:16 PM
Kingdom of Loss is the only song on Scarsick that I legitimately enjoy, so they can play it live all they want.
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Post by: Zantera on February 27, 2012, 03:11:41 AM
Kingdom of Loss is the only song on Scarsick that I legitimately enjoy, so they can play it live all they want.

Between two bouncing breasts, on a baywatch beach?  :corn
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 27, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
The lyrics on that song are so terrible.

I can take terrible lyrics if the music is good enough, but unfortunately, Kingdom of Loss just bores me.
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Post by: Adami on February 27, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
The lyrics on that song are so terrible.

I can take terrible lyrics if the music is good enough, but unfortunately, Kingdom of Loss just bores me.

Most of the lyrics in the song are bad, but what I consider the chorus has great lyrics the "As you're tearing down my world...." part. Good lyrics there. Just not the rest of the song.
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Post by: Zantera on February 28, 2012, 02:33:58 AM
The lyrics on Scarsick (the album) is generally what puts me off about it. Musically I don't think it's bad, but there are several lyrical moments that has a negative effect on me.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 28, 2012, 03:30:29 AM
Lyrics have been decreasing in quality overall, I think.
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Post by: Zantera on February 28, 2012, 03:44:29 AM
Lyrics have been decreasing in quality overall, I think.

I don't think that lyrics are a problem on the Road Salt albums, but on Scarsick it bothers me a bit.
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Post by: ariich on February 28, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Lyrics have been decreasing in quality overall, I think.
Well, I strongly disagree, but Scarsick did have a few meh moments lyrically.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 28, 2012, 07:23:16 AM
I really like the lyrics of Scarsick, actually.  Definitely a bit hyperbolic, but very direct and powerful.  It's the Road Salt One lyrics that I thought were a little bit weaker, I can't help but find all of the repetition of "crying" and "the road" fairly cliche.  RS2 is much better about that, though.  Really can't see any sort of linear decrease in the lyrics. 
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
Road Salt had some good lyrics, but a lot of it seemed to be "Well.....I should probably be singing about sex and sadness, and if I sound like I'm crying, then I can say whatever I want".
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Post by: ariich on February 28, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
I really like the Road Salt lyrics.

With Scarsick, there's some amazing stuff and in general I like it, but there are a few moments dotted throughout that don't sit too well with me.
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2012, 02:06:28 PM
I really like the Road Salt lyrics.

With Scarsick, there's some amazing stuff and in general I like it, but there are a few moments dotted throughout that don't sit too well with me.

I just remember when Daniel used to paint a picture with his words, and while he does that on occasion still, he generally just straightforwardly describes stuff now adays. And most people are cool with that, so that's cool, I just prefer his more imagery and emotion based lyrics that didn't require the overly emotion delivery to have an effect. 
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Post by: ariich on February 28, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
With Scarsick, yeah I agree. But I don't agree at all with the Road Salt albums.
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
With Scarsick, yeah I agree. But I don't agree at all with the Road Salt albums.

Yes you do.
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Post by: ariich on February 29, 2012, 12:42:57 AM
I agree.
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Post by: Elite on March 07, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
3 days, let's hope for a good set list.
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Post by: Adami on March 07, 2012, 02:28:24 PM
3 days, let's hope for a good set list.


I'm actually glad I'm not seeing them anytime soon. I have almost no desire to see a set list that consists of 80% RS material, plus diffidentia (which I love...but come on!), ashes (same) and maybe a scarsick song. And I REALLY have very little desire to see a PoS without the Johan's or Fredrick. It was bad enough when Kristopher left.
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Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2012, 02:53:50 PM
3 days, let's hope for a good set list.


I'm actually glad I'm not seeing them anytime soon. I have almost no desire to see a set list that consists of 80% RS material, plus diffidentia (which I love...but come on!), ashes (same) and maybe a scarsick song. And I REALLY have very little desire to see a PoS without the Johan's or Fredrick. It was bad enough when Kristopher left.

As far as I know they haven't played Diffidentia this tour, but overall I get your point. Ashes is a song I'm a bit tired of myself, while it's a good song, they could have switched it with something more interesting.
But apart from playing some of the best Road Salt-songs (Physics of Gridlock, Deeper Cut, Healing Now, No Way and Sisters), they also play some really fantastic songs like The Perfect Element, Iter Impius, Enter Rain and Stress (holy shit!).
So yeah, all in all I feel very happy with the setlist. And I hope to god that I get all the songs I love when I see them, if they cut out TPE or Physics of Gridlock I'll be sad. :(
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Post by: Adami on March 08, 2012, 12:33:26 AM
I'd love to see some of the new setlists. I wasn't aware of some of those songs, although I have no desire to see songs like No Way.


But I think my main problem is the line up change. It doesn't feel like Pain of Salvation anymore, it's just Daniel. And while Daniel obviously was the heart of the band, I always saw them as a BAND, not just 4 back up players to Daniel who can be replaced at any time. I think the chemistry they had up through BE was just...incredible and has been lacking since. Kristopher's absence brought it down a notch, then Johan leaving on drums made me lose a lot of interest as I can't stand their new drummer. Now Tarzan and Billy Corgan are gone and it just feels....dead. I had developed a love for that line up, and now it's gone. It's the same reason it's hard to have a desire to bands like see Iced Earth or Stratovarius anymore.


They're still my favorite band, I will buy every CD and DVD they make and will continue to think of Entropia, One Hour, TPE, Remedy Lane and BE to be the greatest albums ever made, but yea....it's just not PoS to me anymore.
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Post by: ariich on March 08, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Now Tarzan and Billy Corgan
:lol

I can see what you're saying, but Leo in particular really feels like part of the band now, and had great chemistry when I saw them, and the keyboardist has played live with them on bass a number of times so has a good connection too. The new guitarist will take a little time to settle in, of course, and he's no Johan, but still did a really good job.
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Post by: Adami on March 08, 2012, 10:40:31 AM
Now Tarzan and Billy Corgan
:lol

I can see what you're saying, but Leo in particular really feels like part of the band now, and had great chemistry when I saw them, and the keyboardist has played live with them on bass a number of times so has a good connection too. The new guitarist will take a little time to settle in, of course, and he's no Johan, but still did a really good job.

They're not strangers of course, but they're not PoS band members as far as I feel. Fredrick and the Johan's were in the band for over a decade. Having played a few select shows doesn't really count as being a familiar part of everything. And Leo....eh. He's just not my type of drummer, I felt this way ever since I first heard RS1. Just don't like his style what so ever.
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Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2012, 08:33:29 AM
Generally I agree. It feels weird seeing pictures of them now, with not ONE single member left from the BE era.

I have no doubt that Daniel will have no problem writing more amazing albums. I will buy them, and I will continue to see them whenever I can. But it will never quite be the same.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 09, 2012, 09:53:33 AM
I had no,idea everyone but Daniel left.
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Post by: ich bin besser on March 09, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
Here's a list of the songs they played this week in Aschaffenburg/Germany (not in order, but from the albums):

Road Salt Two:
Softly She Cries, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, The Deeper Cut, The Physics Of Gridlock

Road Salt One:
No Way, Sisters, Linoleum

Scarsick:
Kingdom Of Loss

Be:
Iter Impius

Remedy Lane:
Ending Theme, Chain Sling

The Perfect Element:
Ashes, The Perfect Element

Entropia:
Stress

Love Gun:
Shock Me (Kiss-Cover)
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 09, 2012, 01:05:57 PM
Sounds good, not complaining since they are touring around the Road Salt albums.
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Post by: Elite on March 11, 2012, 08:43:13 AM
Allright, that was one of the best, if not the best, gig I've ever seen. God damnit, those guys rule.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 11, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
 :tup
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 12, 2012, 06:34:04 AM
Allright, that was one of the best, if not the best, gig I've ever seen. God damnit, those guys rule.


Damn, I'm glad you had a good time, I just don't have the money. Too bad for me, I hope they'll release a DVD though!
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Post by: Elite on March 12, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
Allright, that was one of the best, if not the best, gig I've ever seen. God damnit, those guys rule.


Damn, I'm glad you had a good time, I just don't have the money. Too bad for me, I hope they'll release a DVD though!

That could actually well be the case.. They were filming the entire performance and did the scream contest thing a couple of times.
Setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/de-bosuil-weert-netherlands-23ded013.html) (I filled it in on setlist.fm, so I'm sure it's the right one ;) )

I was actually VERY impressed with the Road Salt songs. I didn't really like them on CD, but live they kicked some serious ass. The band was tighter than any band I've seen before (maybe bar Opeth), but their performance totally blew anything else out the water. Great stage performance, great crowd interaction. It was awesome.
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Post by: Zantera on March 18, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
Just came home from the concert, was awesome. Managed to pull my back, and stretch my knee, so I was sorta limping home, and I doubt I can walk to school tomorrow.  :lol Still, totally worth it!
Nothing out of the ordinary as far as the setlist goes, it's pretty much what they have played lately. (from what I understand)
Still, for those interested:

1. Softly She Cries
2. Ashes
3. Linoleum
4. The Deeper Cut
5. 1979
6. To the Shoreline
7. Iter Impius
8. Chain Sling
9. The Perfect Element
10. Stress
11. Kingdom of Loss
12. Healing Now
13. No Way
-----Encores------
14. Cover-song with Daniel on drums and Leo on vocals. I thought it was Kiss, but my dad was pretty sure that it was a Moodey Blues-cover.
15. Enter Rain
16. The Physics of Gridlock
17. Sisters

All I can say is awesome. When they played Enter Rain I was slightly bummed because I thought they wouldn't play Gridlock (normally they've played Enter Rain before the encore), but when I got both it was just awesome.
Highlights: Iter Impius, The Perfect Element & The Physics of Gridlock, three of my favorite PoS songs.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
Way too much RS. I know that's the album they're touring for, but that's over 50% RS songs.
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Post by: Zantera on March 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
Way too much RS. I know that's the album they're touring for, but that's over 50% RS songs.

Who cares? They played some of the best RS-songs. :P The Physics of Gridlock, Sisters, Healing Now & The Deeper Cut are among the best songs they've made since BE imo.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2012, 05:29:17 PM
Way too much RS. I know that's the album they're touring for, but that's over 50% RS songs.

Who cares? They played some of the best RS-songs. :P The Physics of Gridlock, Sisters, Healing Now & The Deeper Cut are among the best songs they've made since BE imo.

I care. Sisters would be cool I guess, and Healing Now, but even though I like a decent amount of the songs, I'd rather see the way better songs from their previous albums than RS song after RS song with the usual songs from previous albums, a cover song and only 1 or 2 nice surprises.
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Post by: ariich on March 19, 2012, 01:32:12 AM
Way too much RS. I know that's the album they're touring for, but that's over 50% RS songs.

Who cares? They played some of the best RS-songs. :P The Physics of Gridlock, Sisters, Healing Now & The Deeper Cut are among the best songs they've made since BE imo.
Well Adami doesn't like the RS albums, so I guess he'd probably care. :lol

I think that setlist is phenomenal though, even better than the one I saw.
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Post by: Zantera on March 19, 2012, 03:42:34 AM
Oh. Well it's always lovely with fans who started liking the band X amount of albums ago, and the rants that "why do they play new songs?"  ;)

To be fair it was pretty much perfect, considering it was a RS-tour and those songs had to be in the majority. While they played 9 RS-songs, they also played 7 older songs, which still is not far from a 50/50 ratio. If I could wish for anything, it would be to see Ashes and Chain Sling gone from the set. They're both good songs, but they have been played on almost every tour (?) and I don't think it would hurt to replace them with something more "fresh" or something else. Handful of Nothing? Home? Foreword? And they NEED to play Her Voices (the full version), that song might be my favorite PoS-song actually.
But yeah, even though the main focus was on Road Salt, we still got some really badass songs like Iter Impius, The Perfect Element, Stress (when was the last time they played that live?) and Enter Rain!  :metal
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Post by: Elite on March 19, 2012, 06:21:43 AM
You got Enter Rain! I was really looking forward to hearing that, but they didn't play it.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 11:33:53 AM
I thought the set list was amazing  :metal

Sure I'd have liked some more songs from older albums, but I really like the road salt albums too so I was pretty happy  :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
I'll be completely honest and say that if I were at that show, I'd be singing my lungs out to every RS song. Except when they got to the french part, then I'd just wave around a german flag.



Honestly, the only thing that makes me less enthusiastic about PoS now is the line up.
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Post by: Zantera on March 19, 2012, 01:28:25 PM
Okay, time for a "dream"-setlist thing. Just for the fun of it.
Here's what I would love to see them play on a show, though it will never happen. :P
(Will include the album after each song, we all know where the songs are from, but just for the sake of it)

1. ! Foreword (Entropia)
2. Handful of Nothing (One Hour by the Concrete Lake)
3. No Way (Road Salt One)
4. Trace of Blood (Remedy Lane)
5. Healing Now (Road Salt Two)
6. Morning on Earth (The Perfect Element)
7. Diffidentia (BE)
8. Flame to the Moth (Scarsick)
9. Winning a War (Entropia)
10. Home (One Hour By the Concrete Lake)
11. Lilium Cruentus (BE)
12. Waking Every God (Remedy Lane)
13. This Heart of Mine (Remedy Lane)
14. King of Loss (The Perfect Element)
15. Kingdom of Loss (Scarsick)
------Encores--------
16. The Physics of Gridlock (Road Salt Two)
17. Iter Impius (BE)
18. Her Voices (The Perfect Element)

Would probably be too long, and too few RS-songs. Not that I don't like RS or anything, but seen PoS two times now, and they played mostly RS-songs, so I've seen most of the songs from RS that I want to see. :)
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
I'll be completely honest and say that if I were at that show, I'd be singing my lungs out to every RS song. Except when they got to the french part, then I'd just wave around a german flag.



Honestly, the only thing that makes me less enthusiastic about PoS now is the line up.

Eh the line up doesn't bother me, Daniel's still there and they've recruited a ridiculously hot guitarist so I'm not complaining.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
I'll be completely honest and say that if I were at that show, I'd be singing my lungs out to every RS song. Except when they got to the french part, then I'd just wave around a german flag.



Honestly, the only thing that makes me less enthusiastic about PoS now is the line up.

Eh the line up doesn't bother me, Daniel's still there and they've recruited a ridiculously hot guitarist so I'm not complaining.

Yea yea yea Zoidberg or whatever. But it's like family you know? Sure my new step-mom is a total milf, but I'm not gonna be calling her mom ever.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 01:40:12 PM
Yeah but it would be weird if you were calling her mum while you were doing her anyway.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
Yeah but it would be weird if you were calling her mum while you were doing her anyway.

Oh no, that would be fine. And if I were raping Zoidberg, I'd be sure to call him Johan.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 01:42:36 PM
I'd be too busy making Zoidberg WOOPWOOPWOOP noises to call him anything.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
I'd be too busy making Zoidberg WOOPWOOPWOOP noises to call him anything.

I am now picturing you having sex with Zoidberg from futurama and both of you making those sounds together. And now I have no desire to eat anything for a very long time.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 01:47:17 PM
Oh whatever, as if you're not turned on right now.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
Oh whatever, as if you're not turned on right now.

Believe me dear if my depression allowed me to get turned on, I'd put 15 year old virgin to shame.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 19, 2012, 01:58:41 PM
Damn, if the thought of me and Zoidberg getting it on doesn't snap you out of it, I don't know what will. 
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 25, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Quote
As soon as possible, we will publish new tour dates for Asia and South America. We are also considering offers from India, USA(!!!) and Australia, if time permits. Keep your fingers crossed…
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Post by: Pockets17red on March 25, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
Quote
As soon as possible, we will publish new tour dates for Asia and South America. We are also considering offers from India, USA(!!!) and Australia, if time permits. Keep your fingers crossed…

Plz USA!!
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Post by: cyberdrummer on March 26, 2012, 07:07:13 AM
"Last gig of the tour tonight @ Göta Källare in Stockholm, Sweden. We have something quite special planned :) "
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Post by: WindMaster on March 27, 2012, 09:35:07 AM
Just got BE. Awesome shit.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 27, 2012, 03:17:21 PM
^ Yesyesyes BE is amazing  :heart
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Post by: Elite on March 27, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
Okay, time for a "dream"-setlist thing. Just for the fun of it.
Here's what I would love to see them play on a show, though it will never happen. :P
(Will include the album after each song, we all know where the songs are from, but just for the sake of it)

1. ! Foreword (Entropia)
2. Handful of Nothing (One Hour by the Concrete Lake)
3. No Way (Road Salt One)
4. Trace of Blood (Remedy Lane)
5. Healing Now (Road Salt Two)
6. Morning on Earth (The Perfect Element)
7. Diffidentia (BE)
8. Flame to the Moth (Scarsick)
9. Winning a War (Entropia)
10. Home (One Hour By the Concrete Lake)
11. Lilium Cruentus (BE)
12. Waking Every God (Remedy Lane)
13. This Heart of Mine (Remedy Lane)
14. King of Loss (The Perfect Element)
15. Kingdom of Loss (Scarsick)
------Encores--------
16. The Physics of Gridlock (Road Salt Two)
17. Iter Impius (BE)
18. Her Voices (The Perfect Element)

This setlist is awesome! It only misses The Perfect Element, Enter Rain and Used. And please remove King of Loss. That song is terrible.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 27, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
Just got BE. Awesome shit.

Vocari Dei is one of the most beautiful songs i've heard.
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Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2012, 08:22:31 PM
Quote
As soon as possible, we will publish new tour dates for Asia and South America. We are also considering offers from India, USA(!!!) and Australia, if time permits. Keep your fingers crossed…

AUSTRALIA NOW!!


Okay, time for a "dream"-setlist thing. Just for the fun of it.
Here's what I would love to see them play on a show, though it will never happen. :P
(Will include the album after each song, we all know where the songs are from, but just for the sake of it)

1. ! Foreword (Entropia)
2. Handful of Nothing (One Hour by the Concrete Lake)
3. No Way (Road Salt One)
4. Trace of Blood (Remedy Lane)
5. Healing Now (Road Salt Two)
6. Morning on Earth (The Perfect Element)
7. Diffidentia (BE)
8. Flame to the Moth (Scarsick)
9. Winning a War (Entropia)
10. Home (One Hour By the Concrete Lake)
11. Lilium Cruentus (BE)
12. Waking Every God (Remedy Lane)
13. This Heart of Mine (Remedy Lane)
14. King of Loss (The Perfect Element)
15. Kingdom of Loss (Scarsick)
------Encores--------
16. The Physics of Gridlock (Road Salt Two)
17. Iter Impius (BE)
18. Her Voices (The Perfect Element)

This setlist is awesome! It only misses The Perfect Element, Enter Rain and Used. And please remove King of Loss. That song is terrible.

WTF? King of Loss is eaily top 5 POS for me
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Post by: Elite on March 28, 2012, 05:29:34 AM
It's easily top 5 worst PoS songs for me :P
Ah well, taste.
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Post by: Zantera on March 28, 2012, 07:13:29 AM
King of Loss is awesome. Love the whole build-up to "I AM THE KING OF LOSS". Normally I would consider putting Enter Rain and The Perfect Element on my wish-list, but I was lucky enough to get both live now when I saw them, and there are songs I want to see live.. more. :P Some of the songs on the list are songs I have seen, but I guess I like them slightly more.
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Post by: Jirpo on March 28, 2012, 07:38:09 AM
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As soon as possible, we will publish new tour dates for Asia and South America. We are also considering offers from India, USA(!!!) and Australia, if time permits. Keep your fingers crossed…

AUSTRALIA NOW!!




Yes please!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on March 28, 2012, 11:11:00 AM
i can see disliking king of loss...if one dislikes POS.

how could a gildenlow fan hate on king of loss; its, like, the essence of POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 28, 2012, 01:20:30 PM
Maybe Elite is thinking of Kingdom of Loss.



That being said, King of Loss is far from being the best song on TPE, let alone being the 'essence' of PoS. In my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on March 28, 2012, 01:33:43 PM
No, I know EXACTLY of what I'm speaking. I just really, really dislike King of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 28, 2012, 01:43:48 PM
Haha! I underestimated your PoS knowledge, I'm sorry. But yeah, it's possible. I think it's good, even if it was only for the background vocals at 2:11, I love that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 29, 2012, 07:40:36 AM
It took me a really long time to warm up to King of Loss. I liked POS otherwise though. Nowadays, it's definitely one of the highlights of TPE along with Reconciliation right after it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on March 29, 2012, 07:44:36 AM
Morning on Earth > Reconciliation.
Both are awesome ofc, but there I said it. (Star Wars section on the 12:5 version is rad though)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 29, 2012, 08:00:15 AM
Morning on Earth > Reconciliation.
Both are awesome ofc, but there I said it. (Star Wars section on the 12:5 version is rad though)
Does Daniel sing an A5 on Morning on Earth? Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on March 29, 2012, 08:17:19 AM
I must admit that after the first listens, I really didn't think that the songs were different, apart from the pacing/instrumentation. Morning on Earth felt like it was the same song, just "scaled down" or something. But if I'm not mistaken, he sings the chorus twice in MoE but only once in Reconciliation, and the chorus is my favorite part with the song. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on March 29, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
Morning on Earth > Reconciliation.

This is wrong.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Big Hath on May 01, 2012, 10:24:10 AM
just getting into this band.  Got The Perfect Element Pt 1 a few weeks ago and loving it so far.  BE and Remedy Lane are next on my list.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on May 01, 2012, 12:39:25 PM
Woo! Remedy Lane is brilliant. BE seems to be a love it or hate it album for most people though. I'm in the lovin' crowd of course  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
Woo! Remedy Lane is brilliant. BE seems to be a love it or hate it album for most people though. I'm in the lovin' crowd of course  :biggrin:


Actually there's no "love it" or "hate it" crowd, it's just "right" or "wrong", and we find ourselves in the right crowd.


Also yes RL is great, but don't underlook Entropia or One Hour By The Concrete Lake. Although none of these albums are quite the orgasm of brilliance that TPE is, they are all amazing. Hell, even the RS albums have a few good songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
If you're getting into PoS then you're in for a treat.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on May 01, 2012, 12:43:50 PM
Oh and don't forget Scarsick, everyone's favourite!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on May 01, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
It's funny how I used to not like Road Salt's sound at all, but now I find myself throwing on RS1/2 far more than TPE1 and RL.

The tracks stand stronger on their own, and it feels like I can pick up and drop versus TPE1's feeling of 'I have to listen to the whole thing'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on May 01, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
^I sort of agree; on the other hand, I'm the type to listen to full albums more, so "albums" get a lot more plays than "collections of songs".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
I think Road Salt Two was their best album since BE, and a really awesome album overall. While I think Road Salt One is great, I would rank it lower.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2012, 02:16:52 PM
I think Road Salt Two was their best album since BE, and a really awesome album overall. While I think Road Salt One is great, I would rank it lower.

I agree. RS1 has Sisters and Of Dust though, and those are amazing. But yea, RS2 is superior.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: crazyaga on May 01, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
i think RS1 is better than RS2...
also, RS1 has Innocence in it, which is one of my fav POS songs ever.
i dunno why Innocence is so overlooked.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 02:53:21 PM
Innocence is pretty great, one of my favorites on RS1 after Sisters, Of Dust.
I just feel like RS2 has higher highs overall, and the lesser songs are better then the lesser songs on RS1. The Physics of Gridlock has become one of my all time favorite PoS-songs, and it also has Healing Now, The Deeper Cut and a few other awesome songs.  :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Innocence is pretty great, one of my favorites on RS1 after Sisters, Of Dust.
I just feel like RS2 has higher highs overall, and the lesser songs are better then the lesser songs on RS1. The Physics of Gridlock has become one of my all time favorite PoS-songs, and it also has Healing Now, The Deeper Cut and a few other awesome songs.  :hat

This is how I feel. Exactly. Minus the hat.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on May 01, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
I love them both. In fact I'm gonna put them on after I'm done with One Hour By The Concrete Lake. It's a PoS night tonight  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
I love them both. In fact I'm gonna put them on after I'm done with One Hour By The Concrete Lake. It's a PoS night tonight  :biggrin:

Awesomeness-meter is overloaded.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 02, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
I still love the hell out of Road Salt One. The bluesy swagger on She Likes to Hide is pure  :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 18, 2012, 11:18:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9aifyyx3f8   :omg:

That middle section! 


Loads of beautiful renditions from the recent acoustic gig.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 19, 2012, 01:32:41 AM
I heard rumours that they recorded the acoustic show, maybe a new live album?  :angel:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on June 19, 2012, 03:38:13 AM
I heard rumours that they recorded the acoustic show, maybe a new live album?  :angel:
Daniel himself confirmed it in an interview on their website (new design AGAIN). But apparently they haven't decided yet what to do with it, or even if they want to do anything with it at all. One can only hope. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on June 19, 2012, 03:47:42 AM
So weird to see this band line-up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on June 19, 2012, 04:17:46 AM
So weird to see this band line-up.
Weird...but when I saw them, it also felt quite natural. It still felt like Pain of Salvation. That same live quirkness and presence. I think it will be real interesting to see what they come up with next. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on June 19, 2012, 04:41:59 AM
Double-post, but...the set list for that acoustic show seems both awesome and weird at the same time. They play acoustic version's of Spitfall, Disco Queen and Sleeping Under The Stars. xD

But they also play 1979, Sisters, To The Shoreline, The Perfect Element and...MOTHERFUCKING KING OF LOSS!! Just now listened to the video above and it sounds amazing. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 19, 2012, 10:10:56 AM
Cool video. But who are those guys and why are they covering PoS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: EdenHazard on June 19, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
I was there, such a great gig. Loved the "Halleluja"-rendition and the setlist in general. Daniel seemed to enjoy it as well. Perfect weather, very nice location, affordable prices for beer and Pain of Salvation at its finest - perfect evening!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on June 20, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
Cool video. But who are those guys and why are they covering PoS?

that diva frontman does a good daniel
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 20, 2012, 12:04:33 PM
I was there, such a great gig. Loved the "Halleluja"-rendition and the setlist in general. Daniel seemed to enjoy it as well. Perfect weather, very nice location, affordable prices for beer and Pain of Salvation at its finest - perfect evening!

Out of curiosity, was Ragnar sick?  He didn't seem to be feeling so well and wasn't quite in top form. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 05, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
So apparently, instead of plans to release the recorded acoustic gig, we are getting a studio recording of the songs. 

I dunno, reworked acoustic songs isn't new for them, but it could be cool, and I liked the versions they played live.  So I'll definitely check it out when it's released in 2015.



edit:  website link:  https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/recording-new-album/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 05, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
I saw a little of those videos....meh. But I get why they're not releasing the live version, since I remember Daniel completely missing an entire verse on Hallelujah. And the other guys just seemed like faceless guys standing around while Daniel did everything.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 06, 2012, 01:07:35 AM
Could be cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: matt1722 on July 17, 2012, 06:53:08 AM
Falling in love with Pain of Salvation, bought TPE almost a year ago, took quite a while but it's really, really starting to click. I Also bought Remedy Lane recently and listened to it today, and it's really damn good, I still need a couple more listens but I don't this one's gonna take almost a year to click  ::)

this has all made me want more from Daniel and crew so I bought Entropia and it should hopefully be here soon.

so just thought I should share all that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 17, 2012, 08:36:00 AM
Just ignore the post-BE material and you're gonna be fine xD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Index on July 17, 2012, 09:16:26 AM
You will really enjoy Entropia if you dug those other two records which are my personal favorites from PoS. I agree with abydos that all of the post-Be related work hasn't been as strong but still good nonetheless and worth to check out! The Road Salt albums are very good! :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 17, 2012, 09:24:44 AM
I think Road Salt Two is really awesome. Not that big a fan of Scarsick or Road Salt One, they're good albums but nothing I really listen to that often. I still think BE, TPE and Entropia is their "holy trinity".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on July 17, 2012, 09:37:22 AM
Scarsick is amazing, one of their best imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: matt1722 on July 17, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
I've heard some stuff from RS1 and I liked what I heard, so I might be in that group of people who love everything the guys put out. Only time will tell I suppose.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2012, 08:11:49 PM
Scarsick isn't a bad CD, it's just well below PoS standards, and this coming from a guy who loves Be. Musically it's not bad at all, but lyrically....it's really childish for the most part with some notable exceptions.

RS1 has some good stuff. I really like What She Means to Me, Of Dust, Sisters, Innocence, Road Salt, Tell Me You Don't Know, and Where it Hurts, with some others being...okay, But even those songs aren't up to PoS standards.

RS2 has some good stuff as well, I like it's darker tone. Healing Now, To The Shoreline, 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, Mortar Grind, Through the Distance and Physics are all very good songs.

However, maybe it's the really terrible production (I know it was intentional, but I have a lot of thoughts on that) and the addition of some really weak songs that drag it down to the bottom for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 17, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
Wow, those acoustic videos are cool but it's just struck me that I have no idea who that band is. It's almost like I'm watching a group of guys do an acoustic PoS tribute.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pockets17red on August 07, 2012, 11:53:08 AM
Don't know how many of you are interested in Vinyl but InsideOut has announced that The Perfect Element, Part I is coming out on Vinyl on September 24th!
(Definitely a must buy for me)

https://www.insideoutmusic.com/newsdetailed.aspx?IdNews=11762&IdCompany=8 (https://www.insideoutmusic.com/newsdetailed.aspx?IdNews=11762&IdCompany=8)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 07, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
HOLY SHIT. Must pick that up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 07, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Much as I love PoS, I'm far more excited about those Ayreon vinyls... hopefully there are some good American deals for this, as the IO web shop is rapetastic for outside of Europe.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pockets17red on August 08, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
Much as I love PoS, I'm far more excited about those Ayreon vinyls... hopefully there are some good American deals for this, as the IO web shop is rapetastic for outside of Europe.
CMDistro will have them. They also have Ayreon's ITEC and PoS Road Salt 1 LPS. (Road Salt 2 sold out recently and should be getting more in stock soon.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 09, 2012, 06:05:30 PM
How do you guys think Entropia fares in comparison to the rest of PoS's discography? I ask because it is the only one that I currently own, and am just starting to listen to. Some of it is a bit off-putting on first listen (namely stress)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: emblempride on August 09, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
It's crazily underrated in comparison to their other albums imo. Really unique, probably Kristoffer's best performance with the band, the storyline's fantastic and a tear-jerker, and has damn good lyrics for a Swedish band's debut. It's their most groovy album and I think there was a stronger focus on instrumentation when the two Daniels were together. I love it, RL, and BE all equally. Every PoS album has a different sound, so, if the rest of Entropia's not really your thing, you might find the magic in one of their other albums.

But Stress is pretty lonely and unique when it comes to PoS using that, uh, style despite having some staple PoS elements, so it's understandable that you feel that way. I like it a lot personally, but it's my least favorite on the album. Everything else on it kicks its ass and way more.

Speaking of which, Entropia's not in chronological order and it's never been said what the order is, but I think I have it and I want to know what you guys think -

1. ! (Foreword)
2. Welcome to Entropia
3. Winning a War
4. Plains of Dawn
5. Void of Her
6. To the End
7. Oblivion Ocean (not sure if this comes before Void of Her or after To the End, but this seems more likely)
8. Stress
9. Revival
10. Circles
11. People Passing By (could be switched with Circles, also not sure)
12. Nightmist
13. Leaving Entropia (Epilogue)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Entropia is amazing. It takes a little while for every song to click though. They were young and raw and tried to be more complex than they needed to be at times. The only weak song is Leaving Entropia, even Daniel said he hates the recorded version. With that the 12:5 version of Entropia songs are completely amazing as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 09, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
I can never seem to make it through Entropia. I'll get maybe halfway through it and I'll get bored and move onto something else.

That said, I listened to both Road Salt albums yesterday. Still love them both, with 1 having a bit of an edge just for being so damn groovy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 09, 2012, 08:15:44 PM
I can never seem to make it through Entropia. I'll get maybe halfway through it and I'll get bored and move onto something else.

That said, I listened to both Road Salt albums yesterday. Still love them both, with 1 having a bit of an edge just for being so damn groovy.

Meh. I think I have 2 major issues with RS (both of them) and a bunch of other smaller ones.

1. The production is just awful, despite whatever BS excuse they came up with about wanting it to sound vintage....it doesn't, it sounds like crap.

2. The music no longer tells a story, it's just background to the vocals. On Entropia, RL, One Hour, TPE, BE and at times even Scarsick the music told as much of the story as the lyrics did. But on RS it's just kind of normal riffs behind Daniel forcing emotion that used to come naturally.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: emblempride on August 09, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
I can never seem to make it through Entropia. I'll get maybe halfway through it and I'll get bored and move onto something else.

That said, I listened to both Road Salt albums yesterday. Still love them both, with 1 having a bit of an edge just for being so damn groovy.
Wut.

The 2nd half of Entropia is the better half! And kinda groovy :P. Stress - Nightmist is a great and energetic run of songs.

^agreed on the production. Scarsick's production was great, and it was such a big step down
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2012, 03:11:12 AM
How do you guys think Entropia fares in comparison to the rest of PoS's discography? I ask because it is the only one that I currently own, and am just starting to listen to. Some of it is a bit off-putting on first listen (namely stress)

It's my third favorite album by PoS, love it. The ones I like more would be The Perfect Element and BE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 12, 2012, 12:37:05 AM
Late to the party (please remember I've been unemployed for three years) but I'm just hearing RS2 for the first time.

I have to say that my expectations were that it was going to be more accessible...but it's actually quite diverse and experimental.   It's going to take awhile to digest...but I'm really digging it.  I'm up to The Deepest Cut so far...and....well, wow.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 12:50:44 AM
1. The production is just awful, despite whatever BS excuse they came up with about wanting it to sound vintage....it doesn't, it sounds like crap.

Yes.

Here's to hoping PoS are done with their Lenny Kravitz phase.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 12, 2012, 12:55:46 AM
1. The production is just awful, despite whatever BS excuse they came up with about wanting it to sound vintage....it doesn't, it sounds like crap.

Yes.

Here's to hoping PoS are done with their Lenny Kravitz phase.

I mean, I totally understand if they wanted to get that 70's vintage sound, but they didn't do it. What did bands do in the 70's? They used state of the art 70's gear and TRIED to sound as good as possible. PoS tried to sound bad. They used (at least what sounds like) full on pro tools recording, line 6 amplifiers and so forth. They took the drums apart to try to make them sound more vintage. Here's what they should have done.

1. Get a few Marshall amps.
2. Play Gibsons or Fenders....not their new 2000's custom guitars.
3. Get a real 70's Ludwig drum set. Not a brand new Sonar kit, tuned to sound bad.
4. Use 70's era mics.
5. Use the exact same recording gear used in the 70's.
6. Actually record as a band like you ranted about in the beginning. Not record 3-4 songs that way and then just have Daniel record every instrument because apparently Johan, and Fredrick aren't good enough to play very basic songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 01:05:40 AM
Noting Daniel's personal influences, I always figured he was going for this (https://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tRKIiAII&feature=related") right from the beginning. But yeah, it didn't work. Both Road Salt records are as "vintage" as a silent film shot full-color with an HD camera and converted to black & white later. With RS2, it actually sounds like they chopped of the lower and upper frequencies during production to give it a lo-fi, clippy sound.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 12, 2012, 02:03:38 AM
How do you guys think Entropia fares in comparison to the rest of PoS's discography? I ask because it is the only one that I currently own, and am just starting to listen to. Some of it is a bit off-putting on first listen (namely stress)

It's crazily underrated in comparison to their other albums imo. Really unique, probably Kristoffer's best performance with the band, the storyline's fantastic and a tear-jerker, and has damn good lyrics for a Swedish band's debut. It's their most groovy album and I think there was a stronger focus on instrumentation when the two Daniels were together. I love it, RL, and BE all equally. Every PoS album has a different sound, so, if the rest of Entropia's not really your thing, you might find the magic in one of their other albums.

But Stress is pretty lonely and unique when it comes to PoS using that, uh, style despite having some staple PoS elements, so it's understandable that you feel that way. I like it a lot personally, but it's my least favorite on the album. Everything else on it kicks its ass and way more.

are we talking about stress?! stress as in the song 'stress'?! i know we cant be talking bout 'stress' you guys. cuz 'stress' is fun, wacky, and  :metal

anywayz, i wholeheartedly agree with emblem's first paragraph.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 14, 2012, 12:16:46 AM
I love the sound on RS1 and RS2, something about the whole vibe just really grabs me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2012, 12:58:05 AM
I love the sound on RS1 and RS2, something about the whole vibe just really grabs me.

Don't tell your girlfriend that. Then she'll know you have terrible taste and she might take that as an insult.


You know how girls can be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 14, 2012, 05:36:59 AM
I love the sound on RS1 and RS2, something about the whole vibe just really grabs me.
Indeed. I don't particularly care what Daniel was going for, but the end result sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 14, 2012, 06:47:26 AM
1. The production is just awful, despite whatever BS excuse they came up with about wanting it to sound vintage....it doesn't, it sounds like crap.

Yes.

Here's to hoping PoS are done with their Lenny Kravitz phase.

I mean, I totally understand if they wanted to get that 70's vintage sound, but they didn't do it. What did bands do in the 70's? They used state of the art 70's gear and TRIED to sound as good as possible. PoS tried to sound bad. They used (at least what sounds like) full on pro tools recording, line 6 amplifiers and so forth. They took the drums apart to try to make them sound more vintage. Here's what they should have done.

1. Get a few Marshall amps.
2. Play Gibsons or Fenders....not their new 2000's custom guitars.
3. Get a real 70's Ludwig drum set. Not a brand new Sonar kit, tuned to sound bad.
4. Use 70's era mics.
5. Use the exact same recording gear used in the 70's.
6. Actually record as a band like you ranted about in the beginning. Not record 3-4 songs that way and then just have Daniel record every instrument because apparently Johan, and Fredrick aren't good enough to play very basic songs.

Agree totally! So, sort of like Opeth did with Heritage...  But Entropia is still one of my fave POS albums, after Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 15, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
I love the sound on RS1 and RS2, something about the whole vibe just really grabs me.

Me too, it sounds real 70's in terms of the style. Its like,a mix of Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Its a great album, RS1. I just got done listening to it and Wow, its great all the way through. Messed up lyrics, but it reminds me of the time of 30's gritty blues. The story is an,important thing of this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2012, 01:17:33 PM
HOWDY GUYS!

So since Pain of Salvation is taking a break (I guess?) while Daniel jacks off to a mirror, I had an idea.

While we wait for him to unleash his Gildenload all over himself, how about I start a Pain of Salvation survivor?

Would anyone be up for participating? Moira and her boy toy already like it, so I need a bunch of you guys.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on December 09, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Let me be clear here. 

I'm WAY behind on my CD buying, because I've been out of work so long.  (when I do buy something, it's often an impulse buy...which just makes me that much sadder that "brick and mortar" is disappearing...but that's another topic)

What I have heard from the two Road Salt albums...I have LOVED.   But I don't know enough about them to vote in a survivor.    But you can count on my FULL support from Entropia thru Scarsick. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 09, 2012, 01:24:58 PM
HOWDY GUYS!

So since Pain of Salvation is taking a break (I guess?) while Daniel jacks off to a mirror, I had an idea.

While we wait for him to unleash his Gildenload all over himself, how about I start a Pain of Salvation survivor?

Would anyone be up for participating? Moira and her boy toy already like it, so I need a bunch of you guys.
If Marco is my boy toy, does that make me the Dark Bastard? :lol

For those who don't know, PoS launched a merch shop. It's nice. No pre-BE shirts/stuff though as far as I saw. And the only girlie has Dani's face on the tit-area, which I am not comfortable wearing :D
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Post by: bout to crash on December 09, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
I'd participate in a survivor fo sho. But probably wouldn't be able to do RS2, since I haven't listened to it a ton.
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 11, 2012, 08:32:08 AM
I'd participate in a survivor fo sho. But probably wouldn't be able to do RS2, since I haven't listened to it a ton.
You really should fix that. It's great.

Anyway, I'm listening to Remedy Lane today. Awesome album. I know Daniel's all about moving forward and exploring different sounds, but I really wish he'd get back into some more metal territory. They did it really well.
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Post by: Adami on December 11, 2012, 08:34:14 AM
I'd participate in a survivor fo sho. But probably wouldn't be able to do RS2, since I haven't listened to it a ton.
You really should fix that. It's great.

Anyway, I'm listening to Remedy Lane today. Awesome album. I know Daniel's all about moving forward and exploring different sounds, but I really wish he'd get back into some more metal territory. They did it really well.

Yea, Scarsick was just brilliant.
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Post by: Crow on December 11, 2012, 08:51:57 AM
Would participate. All albums.

Also Scarsicks is not a bad album by overall standards but it's pretty bad by Pain of Salvation standards, especially pre-Road Salt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 11, 2012, 09:04:24 AM
Scarsick and Road Salt One are by far their worst albums IMO. Luckily Road Salt Two was awesome, so it restored some faith.
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Post by: Adami on December 11, 2012, 09:07:23 AM
Scarsick and Road Salt One are by far their worst albums IMO. Luckily Road Salt Two was awesome, so it restored some faith.

Musically, RS2 is a lot better than RS1. However the production and horrible drumming still bothers me.


I dunno, whatever faith it restored in me was immediately lost when all the other members of the band quit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 11, 2012, 09:13:26 AM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34983.0


Round 1 of entropia is up! Everyone go vote or I withhold sex.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on December 27, 2012, 04:49:55 PM
Anyway, I'm listening to Remedy Lane today. Awesome album. I know Daniel's all about moving forward and exploring different sounds, but I really wish he'd get back into some more metal territory. They did it really well.
Cosign.

Don't want to be one of those "go back to the old days" fans, but there's a part of me that totally feels that way too.  RL is still my favorite from them, and still probably in my top 10 albums of all time.
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Post by: Ryzee on December 27, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
Yup.  When it comes to this band, Remedy Lane is where it's at.
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Post by: Adami on December 27, 2012, 05:01:53 PM
Yup.  When it comes to this band, Remedy Lane is where it's at.

Eh, honestly I prefer BE and TPE over it.


Of course I prefer TPE over everything any band has done.
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Post by: Zantera on December 27, 2012, 05:15:39 PM
Remedy Lane would be nr4 or 5 for me. BE, TPE and Entropia over it, Road Salt Two tied or so.
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Post by: MirzekDT on December 27, 2012, 06:10:23 PM
1. The production is just awful, despite whatever BS excuse they came up with about wanting it to sound vintage....it doesn't, it sounds like crap.

Well Road Salt production is one of my favorite ever I absolutely love it and I don't care how it was created it's great. I really dislike when some people think they know how good production sounds, that's nothing against you, but production quality is as subjective as is actual music itself.

And I disagree about music not telling the story on Road Salt too. No Way, Sisters, Darkness Of Mine, Where It Hurts, Innocence, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, Break Darling Break, 1979, Of Salt, Through The Distance, The Physics Of Gridlock are you trying to say that music on all these songs doesn't tell a story together with the lyrics? Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 27, 2012, 06:11:50 PM
I'm saying the albums don't tell a cohesive story.

It's cool you love the production though.


Oh sorry, had to go back to re-read my post to see what you meant by the story part. And yes, I think the music is very pretty and at times fits the subject of the song just fine, but the music on quite a few songs is just kind of there. And having emotional sounding music over emotional lyrics doesn't necessarily mean the music is telling a story.

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Post by: MirzekDT on December 28, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
Yeah you are right, but on those songs that I listed as examples I also feel the music alone tells the majority of story or feeling, especially in 1979, Darkness Of Mine, Break Darling Break, Of Salt... they are not just both emotional (the music and lyrcis) they are showing same emotions which means the music is supporting the lyrcis a lot which means it's part of telling the story...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 28, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
Yeah you are right, but on those songs that I listed as examples I also feel the music alone tells the majority of story or feeling, especially in 1979, Darkness Of Mine, Break Darling Break, Of Salt... they are not just both emotional (the music and lyrcis) they are showing same emotions which means the music is supporting the lyrcis a lot which means it's part of telling the story...

Oh I agree to a degree. Of Salt is actually one of my favorites.

And this isn't a complaint anymore (I've grown slightly more fond of the albums since august) but when I said a story I didn't just mean the music also conveying the emotion. I just remember on the older albums, the music took you on an emotional journey, and now that journey isn't really there. The songs are about one thing generally and don't go anywhere. The only song that musically does that is Sisters, but I just can't too emotionally invested in a story about Daniel standing outside with his wife's sister and almost but not sleeping with her.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on December 29, 2012, 05:24:09 PM
Well, yes the journey isn't there that's right, I don't see it as a problem but now I finally see what you meant and that's a lot different than what your original post seemed like ;)

And BTW I still don't get why Daniel didn't include Of Salt on regular album it's so awesome. I kinf of get it with Break Darling Break even though I love that one also... Of course I have special editions of both albums but I miss it very much on my vinyl version of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 29, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Well, yes the journey isn't there that's right, I don't see it as a problem but now I finally see what you meant and that's a lot different than what your original post seemed like ;)

And BTW I still don't get why Daniel didn't include Of Salt on regular album it's so awesome. I kinf of get it with Break Darling Break even though I love that one also... Of course I have special editions of both albums but I miss it very much on my vinyl version of the album.

I haven't a clue. Of Salt is purely amazing.

I think one thing that really soured my view of the album were how the credits were written. Daniel is far and away my favorite singer, lyricist, song writer etc, but his ego is REALLY making him hard to handle. Especially on the RS albums.

I just miss the One Hour through Be line up a lot :(.
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Post by: Lynxo on December 30, 2012, 07:45:28 AM
I just miss the One Hour through Be line up a lot :(.
Me too. That line up produced the best lines of albums of any band I've ever listened to, including DT. Remedy Lane is by far my favorite, there's just something magical about that album. It's a really emotional and personal album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2013, 04:04:25 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35311.0

One Hour survivor starting now!!!!!!!!!!!!


GO VOTE DAMN YOU!
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Post by: wolfking on January 07, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
Will vote in this tonight bitch!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on January 23, 2013, 03:16:43 PM
Announcing European acoustic tour, next release and Russian shows!

Kicking off activities in 2013, Swedish Pain of Salvation are ready to embark on more worldwide touring. The upcoming European tour in April will be exclusively acoustic based and Pain of Salvation will be joined for the 3 weeks of dates by Dutch singer/songwriter Anneke Van Giersbergen (ex The Gathering) and Árstíðir from Iceland, making this a remarkably interesting package.

The tour is to coincide with Pain of Salvation’s upcoming album release via InsideOutMusic, featuring newly recorded acoustic versions of hand picked Pain of Salvation songs. More details about this special album project will be made public soon.

These are all the dates of the European tour:

PAIN OF SALVATION - ACOUSTIC 2013
special guests: Anneke Van Giersbergen & Árstíðir

03.04.2013 – Krakow (Poland) @ Kwadrat
04.04.2013 – Warsaw (Poland) @ Progresja
05.04.2013 – Prague (Czech Republic) @ Klub Nova Chmelnice
06.04.2013 – Bratislava (Slovakia) @ Majestic Music Club
07.04.2013 – Budapest (Hungary) @ Club 202
08.04.2013 – Wien (Austria) @ Szene
10.04.2013 – Bologna (Italy) @ Estragon
11.04.2013 – Rome (Italy) @ Orion
12.04.2013 – Milano (Italy) @ Magazzini Generali
13.04.2013 – Yverdon (Switzerland) @ Amalgame
14.04.2013 – Toul (France) @ Chez Paulette
15.04.2013 – London (UK) @ The Garage
17.04.2013 – Paris (France) @ Le Trabendo
18.04.2013 – Pratteln (Switzerland) @ Z7
19.04.2013 – Weert (The Netherlands) @ De Bosuil
20.04.2013 – Zoetermeer (The Netherlands) @ Boerderij
21.04.2013 – Essen (Germany) @ Turock

Prior to the European tour, Pain of Salvation will also be perfoming two regular headline shows in Russia:

16.02.2013 – Moscow (Russia) @ Moscow Concert Hall
17.02.2013 – St. Petersburg (Russia) @ Arctica

Furthermore, Pain of Salvation will be heading out to tour in North America in May. More details about these shows in the USA and Canada will follow soon...

https://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/acoustic-tour-announced/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 23, 2013, 03:18:01 PM
No gigs here, but I hope everyone gets to see them. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on January 23, 2013, 03:26:43 PM
Not sure whether to go to the London show or not. If the setlist is similar to the one-off they did last summer, I probably will.
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Post by: Elite on January 23, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
FUCK. Of course they have to play in the Netherlands while I am in Glasgow. I return on the 20th, so if I get back early enough (which I won't) I could catch them, but this is just not gonna work. DAMN.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 23, 2013, 03:37:49 PM
No Belgrade. Eh. Missed out on seeing them with Johan anyway :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wasteland on January 23, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
I've already seen the only remaning member of what once was POS performing better stuff on another stage, so I'm passing over this.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 23, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
https://www.station-4.com/viewItem.aspx?ID=1727

St.Paul, Minnesota on Saturday May 11th.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on February 05, 2013, 01:22:37 AM
I know most here are probably already aware of this, but please take your time to vote in the Pain of Salvation survivor in the Polls/Survivor section :) More voters is nice and gives more accurate results. Currently up is The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: crazyaga on February 05, 2013, 01:27:55 AM
Used to be a HUGE fan of them, but.... they aged a bit
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2013, 03:05:52 PM
Interesting, if it's in support of an acoustic album then I wonder if it'll be a light set. Would make sense with Anneke van Giersbergen supporting. Think I might have to go!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on March 30, 2013, 06:36:10 AM
So I've been on a mad PoS binge lately (thanks Elite!), and I have to say that Remedy Lane is probably my favourite album, and People Passing By my favourite song. Though that might change, as I'm not really familiar with OHBTCL, Scarsick and the Road Salts (though I have checked out Ending Themes on YouTube, so I do know some songs from those albums). Will probably eventually get the rest of the discog as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2013, 07:19:40 AM
Probably time for an album ranking because we haven't done those in ages.

1. BE
2. The Perfect Element
3. Entropia
4. Road Salt Two
5. Remedy Lane
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Road Salt One
8. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on March 30, 2013, 07:23:07 AM
(thanks Elite!)

You're absolutely welcome :)

Album ranking you say? Okay:

1. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. "BE"
5. Entropia (which really still is fucking awesome, although 5th place seems so low)

6. Road Salt Two
7. Scarsick

8. Road Salt One

EDIT: I messed up and turned RS1 and 2 around, this is how I meant it to be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on March 30, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia

4. BE
5. Road Salt Two

6. Road Salt One

7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
8. Scarsick

List is boring and predictable :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2013, 08:33:40 AM
Damn, I should keep a .txt around just for that. Last time I compared it to the standings of years ago it was the same.

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. BE
4. One Hour By The Concrete Lkae
5. Entropia

6. Scarsick

And I pretend the rest don't exist now. Almost put Scarsick in that list too but it has some good moments but for me every song is ruined at one point or another.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 30, 2013, 09:07:01 AM
The Perfect Element
Road Salt 2
Remedy Lane

Entropia

Road Salt 1

Scarsick
Be

Haven't listened to One Hour yet. Remedy Lane used to be my top, but that was before Road Salt 2 and before The Perfect Element clicked with me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 30, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
Road Salt is a really good album.I don't understand the hate it gets.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2013, 12:43:38 PM
Part 1 or 2? I love part 2 and think it's one of their best albums (hence why I ranked it 4), the first one for me has two really sweet tracks (No Way and Sisters), and while it doesn't really have any bad songs, the rest is just good to me. Nothing too special.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 30, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
1, I was listening to the album title and it made me want to listen to the entire album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on March 30, 2013, 06:49:02 PM
Just recently (and belatedly) picked up RS1 (Extended version) and I'm really enjoying it...though not quite as much as I do the classic material.   Haven't heard RS2 yet.   (I bought it from Amazon with the description that it *DID* have the bonus tracks...when it arrived, it didn't, so I have to send it back and get the one I wanted).

Of the ones I've heard...

Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Entropia
BE
Scarsick
Road Salt 1
One Hour by the Concrete Lake

It's a shame to put anything in last place...there's honestly NO album I don't love in it's own way.   Although I'd have to say that the top 3 and the last 1 are pretty consistent.    4-6 are pretty much a dead heat, and can shuffle depending on mood. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on March 30, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
Part 1 or 2? I love part 2 and think it's one of their best albums (hence why I ranked it 4), the first one for me has two really sweet tracks (No Way and Sisters), and while it doesn't really have any bad songs, the rest is just good to me. Nothing too special.

Same. No Way and Sisters are great (though you gotta love Sleeping Under the Stars too :lol and She Likes to Hide is pretty sweet too. Oh, and Road Salt is fucking beautiful), but Road Salt Two had some absolute killer tracks in Softly She Cries, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, The Deeper Cut, Mortar Grind and The Physics of Gridlock. Those tracks make it stand out above RS1 and Scarsick, though it still doesn't touch the first 5 albums. Maybe it still has to grow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 06, 2013, 11:42:41 AM
Be live is way better than the studio version. The rawness and it being live make the earthiness of the concept pop. Certain songs benefit, Vocari Dei, hell all the songs benefit from it. I've tried many times to enjoy the studio, but I always go back to the live versions.

Vocari Dei
Deus Nova
Nihil Morari
Dea Pecuniae
Iter Impus
Lilium Cruentus
Pluvius Aestivus
Martius/Nauticus
Imago
Latericus valete
Omni
Diffidentia
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on April 06, 2013, 01:16:08 PM
So I'm relistening BE with the lyrics and it's a whole different experience, and I'm liking it a fair bit more than my previous listens.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 06, 2013, 03:14:12 PM
I love Road Salt One (the extended version makes it even better despite only adding maybe 4 minutes of music to the overall package). It's probably my third favorite album of theirs under The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane. I love the production, and there's not a weak moment on the entire disc. And yes, I know that belongs in the controversial opinions thread.

Still, I really wish POS would go back to writing progressive metal. Nobody else really did it quite like them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 06, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
I think Remedy Lane is my favourite now. I used to be the biggest BE fanboy and RL used to be my third favourite, but I like it a lot more now for some reason.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on April 07, 2013, 03:57:08 AM
BE is still my fave  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 07, 2013, 07:21:54 AM
BE is still my fave  :heart

Same! o/  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on April 07, 2013, 12:03:25 PM
*\o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 09, 2013, 08:42:00 AM
I can't believe it took me a year and a half to appreciate how awesome The Physics of Gridlock is. The "we're all longing to be loved" chorus is just stunning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 09, 2013, 09:00:11 AM
Yeah, The Physics of Gridlock would be a top10 PoS-song for me. I love it. Might even be top5, I dunno.. haven't really ranked my favorites.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on April 10, 2013, 12:00:29 AM
I think Remedy Lane is my favourite now. I used to be the biggest BE fanboy and RL used to be my third favourite, but I like it a lot more now for some reason.

Agreed, and RL is probably still in my top 10 favorite albums of all time.  I cosign UMH, too, when he said nobody did progressive metal quite like POS.  I know Daniel's moved on, but I sometimes wish he'd revisit that style for at least one more album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on April 11, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Yeah, Remedy Lane is fast becoming one of my favourite albums as well, and it's definitely my favourite PoS album.

Today, Undertow was the first song ever that made me cry. Ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2013, 05:36:55 PM
Exact quote from the survivor thread:

I'm back from Scotland, so the survivor is up and running again! :) Fun thing; I caught PoS live on the eve of my return (yesterday) with their live acoustic tour. This was the setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2013/de-boerderij-zoetermeer-netherlands-3bd83c98.html). Some songs were really awesome acoustically, others.. not so much. Highlights included To the Shoreline, Spitfall, Chain Sling and the unexpected, unprepared SECOND encore, No Way. Stuff that wasn't so well included (ironically, two of my favourites) Ashes and Iter Impius.

Also, vote there! :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2013, 03:09:16 AM
Wait, a swing version of ´Stress´ ? WTF?  :huh:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on April 24, 2013, 12:38:47 AM
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10200216933400061.1073741827.1054069574&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10200216933400061.1073741827.1054069574&type=1)

Album from their last concert on the current acoustic tour. Man, why didn't they visit Stockholm? :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on April 24, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
Did Anneke and Daniel sing anything together?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
Did Anneke and Daniel sing anything together?

Yes, a cover of Kris Kristofferson's 'Help Me Mke It Through The Night'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on April 26, 2013, 04:43:20 AM
So.....is anyone else getting really fucking stoked for this US/Canada tour? I've been waiting for this for a decade.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 26, 2013, 06:32:08 AM
Yeah, Remedy Lane is fast becoming one of my favourite albums as well, and it's definitely my favourite PoS album.

Today, Undertow was the first song ever that made me cry. Ever.


I go back and forth between "Remedy Lane" and "The Perfect Element" as my favorites.  Depends on my mood.  I really love the first 4 albums.  "Be" is....decent.  Don't like anything they've released since then, though.  The change in style was just too drastic.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 02, 2013, 01:49:05 PM
Finally seeing PoS tonight! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on May 02, 2013, 01:52:31 PM
Apparently you'll be seeing without the keyboardist, so it'll be a unique experience, that's for sure. Be sure to report back afterwards!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 02, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Apparently you'll be seeing without the keyboardist, so it'll be a unique experience, that's for sure. Be sure to report back afterwards!

I read as much on their Facebook page.

Quote
Very special show at the Empire yesterday. As some of you may have heard, Roger had to stay at home. This is due to very sudden complications with his girlfriend's pregnancy and they are at home, facing a possible emergency c-section in the 6th month. Our hearts are with them every hour of the day.

Instead of canceling the tour, we decided to go as four people, and we have spent the last two days trying to rearrange songs and redistribute harmony vocals. You guys have been waiting for so long for us to come back, and it was great to be so welcomed and appreciated yesterday. We are surrounded by wonderful new people on this tour, and we look forward to the coming gigs now. Tonight, House of Rock in White Marsh, Maryland! See you there :)


Still pumped. Will report back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 03, 2013, 12:05:52 AM
Short report for now as I'm exhausted. I'm ashamed of what PoS had to see tonight. I'd be shocked if there were more than 75 people at the show. And during the quieter songs or parts of songs, you could hear people having full blown conversations. The band was great and the set list was decent. When they didn't do an encore some people got up set. But they ended with Falling/TPE, so I left very happy and grateful that I got to see a great band that I feared would never come back to the states.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on May 03, 2013, 12:11:06 AM
How did they go around the missing keyboardist problem? Did they rearrange stuff, did they adapt the setlist (I mean, I can't imagine them playing Iter Impius without keys, for example)?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 03, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
Well the missing member was Ragnar, the other guitarist. Basically, Daniel handled all guitar duties other than bass of course. So whenever there was two guitar parts, there was only one.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on May 03, 2013, 11:22:51 AM
Oh. I thought the keyboardist was sick, though looking back, I have no idea where that came from.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 03, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
Can't wait to see them on Sunday in NYC.  My friend last night also reported that the crowd tiny.  She also said they played a lot of the Road Salt albums.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tyrias on May 03, 2013, 01:29:09 PM
Does anybody know what happened to Ragnar? He was already replaced by Roger during the European Acoustic Tour.
Also, they were great when I saw the 3 weeks ago. THe show started late (due to local supports) and I was already really tired, so I spent the whole show in a certain state of mind, like just before going to bed. The whole show felt like a dream to me (literally) and I think it also made me a lot more animated, jumping around and singing along whenever it was appropriate. The drums were too loud from time to time, though.
And they had the best supporting act ever, Arstidir.
Shame for the band the venue was half empty (I guess there were around 200-250 people), but I've also never had as much space to move on a concert ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 03, 2013, 05:02:09 PM
When is the acoustic album coming out?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on May 04, 2013, 06:28:31 PM
2nd guitarists wife had their kid 3 months early a day before they were going to leave for the states
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on May 05, 2013, 04:56:53 PM
What's the deal with Scarsick? It seems to be by far the most dividing album they have put out. There's people who love it, stating it's their favourite PoS album and there's people that really dislike it, like me. I think it's their second worst album, because I feel the whole album sounds the same and is pretty boring overall. It does have a couple of 'good' moments, but nothing comes remotely close to their better stuff. The only song that has that chance is *maybe* Cribcaged, though I know people will disagree on that as well.

Seriously, what's the deal with Scarsick?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2013, 05:04:12 PM
Let's Disco.


I like it cause it feels tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on May 05, 2013, 05:10:47 PM
...because I feel the whole album sounds the same...

So...Disco Queen sounds exactly like America which sounds exactly like Spitfall???

So much fail in this line.

As I said in the survivor thread...  I don't listen to Scarsick as much as the others, but it's actually really good.   It's just that there's nothing *incredible* on it.   It's like, instead of releasing an album with several 10's and a couple of 4's, they released an album that was all 7's top to bottom.    It's not great, but it's VERY consistent.   Hard to pick a favorite, but hard to pick a least favorite as well.

Although Moth to the Flame is probably as close as the album gets to perfect for me....probably a top 10 PoS track in my book.

LOVE Disco Queen and America.    The lyrics to Kingdom of Loss and Spitfall are absolutely brilliant.    It's a very daring album to be sure....and whether you love it or hate it, it can't be denied that it is a VERY DIVERSE album.    TONS of experimentation with different styles and new sounds that had never been tried by PoS before.    Very eclectic album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2013, 05:26:32 PM
I really don't like Scarsick. I don't know why, because it's not like it's all horrible. When I browse through the songlist, there are some songs like Enter Rain and Flame to the Moth, both are amazing. I would also say that the title-track, America and Kingdom of Loss are pretty sweet as well. Still, that's about half of the album. The rest is sort of "meh".

Musically it's not horrible. There is worse music out there. But there is something about it that I just dislike. It feels a bit like Daniel has more misses than homeruns on it. I do like his range and I think his vocal range is what makes BE such a fantastic record for example, but on Scarsick it feels like he is trying even more to be as "out there" as possible with his voice, and it's just where it all falls apart.

It just feels very scattered. For some of the songs it feels like there could be a different singer for each song, and a song like "Disco Queen" to me is the perfect showcase of taking the fun aspect of PoS and crossing the line, making it really bad. It just leaves a very bad taste, and in comparison to a song like America where the goofy aspects works in the songs favor, in Disco Queen they are working against it.

But yeah, I just feel like there is a certain line that Daniel crosses on Scarsick that makes me dislike it. Like I said, I love his range on BE, and I don't mind him using different vocal techniques, but on Scarsick it feels like he tries even more to sing every section in a different way, and it just falls flat. The music is not bad, but also doesn't live up to previous albums (apart from 2 songs). That's what I love the most about the Road Salt albums really, it was Daniel taking a step back again and his singing doesn't bother me on those two albums. I think Road Salt One leaves a bit to be desired, but Road Salt Two is amazing.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on May 05, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
I wasn't saying the album is not diverse. Yes, the band does indeed experiment with lots of different stuff, but they still manage each one of them to sound similar to the other tracks on the album. Maybe they're too drawn out, or maybe there's just not enough variation within the songs, but I can't help but feel that every song has a similar vibe going on. There's barely any leads in any of the songs, the guitars sound EXACTLY the same everywhere and the riffs feel uninspired and are repeated way too often in every single song (this is especially the case for the title-track, Mrs. Modern Mother Mary and Idiocracy).

The band had some good ideas and some worked (I do like Spitfall, for instance, but that's probably because it has a good buildup and actually goes somewhere), but other just take way too long. Disco Queen, for example, is a great idea, but it would have done at half the length. Same goes for Enter Rain.

I do agree on your sentiment towards Flame to the Moth; that song is actually good, but it suffers from production. I think it would have been far better if the guitars were a little heavier and those screams (also unique for PoS!) were done a little more professionally. I prefer the version that's on the live album Ending Themes, because it's more intense.

Still, overall, the album just doesn't speak to me like other albums do, at all. Yes, I find it boring, I'm very sorry. That doesn't mean PoS isn't my favourite band anymore suddenly; I was just very disappointed with Scarsick.

EDIT: Just saw Zantera's reply. His statements there are precisely what I feel as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 05, 2013, 05:32:32 PM
I really don't like Scarsick. I don't know why, because it's not like it's all horrible. When I browse through the songlist, there are some songs like Enter Rain and Flame to the Moth, both are amazing. I would also say that the title-track, America and Kingdom of Loss are pretty sweet as well. Still, that's about half of the album. The rest is sort of "meh".

Musically it's not horrible. There is worse music out there. But there is something about it that I just dislike. It feels a bit like Daniel has more misses than homeruns on it. I do like his range and I think his vocal range is what makes BE such a fantastic record for example, but on Scarsick it feels like he is trying even more to be as "out there" as possible with his voice, and it's just where it all falls apart.

It just feels very scattered. For some of the songs it feels like there could be a different singer for each song, and a song like "Disco Queen" to me is the perfect showcase of taking the fun aspect of PoS and crossing the line, making it really bad. It just leaves a very bad taste, and in comparison to a song like America where the goofy aspects works in the songs favor, in Disco Queen they are working against it.

But yeah, I just feel like there is a certain line that Daniel crosses on Scarsick that makes me dislike it. Like I said, I love his range on BE, and I don't mind him using different vocal techniques, but on Scarsick it feels like he tries even more to sing every section in a different way, and it just falls flat. The music is not bad, but also doesn't live up to previous albums (apart from 2 songs). That's what I love the most about the Road Salt albums really, it was Daniel taking a step back again and his singing doesn't bother me on those two albums. I think Road Salt One leaves a bit to be desired, but Road Salt Two is amazing.
Interesting ideas Jimmy. I agree.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2013, 05:32:57 PM
I forgot to expand on it, but my problems with Disco Queen is not just that song, but with most of the album. It feels like PoS crosses that line on several songs. I feel like PoS are very much riding that thin line between being awesome and being pretentious douchebags who are too goofy for words (or something like that), and in most cases they balance themselves towards the better side. But on this album it just feels like they fall over to the other side.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 05, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
Just saw them live yesterday and they were really good. I wasn't familiar with some of the material but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

I picked up Scarsick, so I'll see how I like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 06, 2013, 03:06:44 AM
Every band has this one or a couple of albums where they need to work things out of their system - more or less noticeably. The things PoS had to work out were somewhat ugly, and unnecessary, in my opinion. They always made me a teensy bit uneasy with their lyrics and their over-the-top-ness on previous albums, but it was matched with beauty and perfect emotional depth and the quality of being perfectly relatable and immersive (HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SPELL THESE WORDS UGH). Now they just made me feel awkward. The lyrics were preachy. We get it, Dani, you're the smartest person in the world for figuring out something's wrong in America and people care more about their money than anything, especially the environment and yadda yadda. Please tell me all about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on May 06, 2013, 04:13:19 AM
Eh Scarsick's alright. I'm not overly fussed about it either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on May 06, 2013, 07:21:30 AM
I love Scarsick, I used to really hate it but then one day it clicked and I found out all the depth of the album. Now it still keeps my interest a lot unlike TPE which I used to really love but now it's not as awesome anymore and it's probably my second least favorite POS album even though it's really great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 07:52:43 AM
I forgot to expand on it, but my problems with Disco Queen is not just that song, but with most of the album. It feels like PoS crosses that line on several songs. I feel like PoS are very much riding that thin line between being awesome and being pretentious douchebags who are too goofy for words (or something like that), and in most cases they balance themselves towards the better side. But on this album it just feels like they fall over to the other side.
Yeah and again, I agree again, especially lyrically. While I actually agree with some of the gist of what they're saying, the way they do it is just over-the-top, extreme, and inpersonal. While "Be" and the previous PoS albums got me to think about big issues by speaking to my heart, "Scarsick" just tries to scare me, and then delivers judgement on me with its constant, oppressive stereotyping.

Some songs are good (specifically, the ones you mentioned), but others just fall flat.  Definite "get over yourself" moment for Daniel, unfortunately given how the direction of the band as progressed since then I think the opposite has happened. Though at least the songwriting on the last two discs has been much better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 06, 2013, 07:54:28 AM
I forgot to expand on it, but my problems with Disco Queen is not just that song, but with most of the album. It feels like PoS crosses that line on several songs. I feel like PoS are very much riding that thin line between being awesome and being pretentious douchebags who are too goofy for words (or something like that), and in most cases they balance themselves towards the better side. But on this album it just feels like they fall over to the other side.
Yeah and again, I agree again, especially lyrically. While I actually agree with some of the gist of what they're saying, the way they do it is just over-the-top, extreme, and inpersonal. While "Be" and the previous PoS albums got me to think about big issues by speaking to my heart, "Scarsick" just tries to scare me, and then delivers judgement on me with its constant, oppressive stereotyping.

Some songs are good (specifically, the ones you mentioned), but others just fall flat.  Definite "get over yourself" moment for Daniel, unfortunately given how the direction of the band as progressed since then I think the opposite has happened. Though at least the songwriting on the last two discs has been much better.
Bolded for absolute agreement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 06, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
Just saw PoS last night NYC.  I got into them about five years ago and my fav albums are The Perfect Element, Remedy Lane and Be -- with a strong emphasis on Be.  That album is in my top 10 of fav albums.  Anyway, what I saw last night was not a progressive metal band.  Of course, I expected that because I've heard the Road Salt albums.  So I knew this would not be the band I'd seen on the Ending Themes or Be DVDs.  Plus, I know the band's lineup has been reshuffled.  But, to me, I felt like I was seeing a band that used to be bad ass and is now just so-so.  I wasn't blown away at all by their performance.  I felt like I was seeing Daniel and bunch of hired guns who have no connection to the songs.  And the crowd seemed like it was a young crowd that go into them on Road Salt, which was weird.  They were loudly singing those songs, and then not so much the older stuff.  Overall, kinda disappointing for me.  There was no glimmer of epicness that I'd come to love from PoS.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 10:29:32 AM
I had no idea this was the acoustic tour. I'm kinda glad I didn't bother going up to NYC last night. I really want to see PoS, but it takes about 3 hours to get to the City, and that's tough to do on a Sunday.

Plus, I already know you're right about Ending Themes. Watching that DVD makes me sad 'cause I realize that it really does represent the "death" or Pain of Salvation. That band does not exist anymore. We just have Daniel now, and whatever he feels like doing. At least we got a fairly awesome DVD before it all ended.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 06, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
Wait...isn't Scarsick TPE pt.2?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 06, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
We just have Daniel now, and whatever he feels like doing.
Despite the name on the cover and the obvious quality of the Road Salts, especially RS2, which was one of my favorite albums last year, they really are Daniel's solo albums. And I can't learn to have a connection with the new band members because, if they'll get replaced so quickly, why should I care? I only recently "accepted" Ragnar (since I really really loved Johan) and learned to appreciate his backing/co-lead vocals, and poof, he's not on the new promo shot, he's not on the tour. No explanation why, or at least not anywhere where I could read it. It's like I shouldn't care for the rest of the band.

Dani is who he is, and I tend to both love him and hate him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 06, 2013, 10:56:15 AM
We just have Daniel now, and whatever he feels like doing.
Despite the name on the cover and the obvious quality of the Road Salts, especially RS2, which was one of my favorite albums last year, they really are Daniel's solo albums. And I can't learn to have a connection with the new band members because, if they'll get replaced so quickly, why should I care? I only recently "accepted" Ragnar (since I really really loved Johan) and learned to appreciate his backing/co-lead vocals, and poof, he's not on the new promo shot, he's not on the tour. No explanation why, or at least not anywhere where I could read it. It's like I shouldn't care for the rest of the band.

Dani is who he is, and I tend to both love him and hate him.

Like everybody else in the world, he's human he can do whatever he pleases. Hence why I enjoy Scarsick, it just sounds fun and tongue in cheek, good to do after the mindboggling BE. didn't he do a lot of research for it?

Road Salt is great as well, it feels real personal.  I have no problem with members leaving, because I know they're humans and music isn't everything to life. Maybe they didn't like the future direction and decided to leave. Some members, I have a feeling, and not necessarily from PoS, that don't really want to be there but they'll upset fans and might destroy the band so they stay.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
Wait...isn't Scarsick TPE pt.2?

Kind of. Daniel says it is, but it's not really. It has nothing to do with the original TPE.

Imagine a sequel to Scenes from a Memory where Nicolas, 5 seconds before dying, remebers every TV show he ever watched, and then every song describes a different TV show.

That's the kind of sequel it is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 06, 2013, 11:01:51 AM
I really don't hope the next album will be Road Salt 3, but with that said, I think Road Salt 2 was pretty darn amazing. The best since BE and probably top4-top5 overall. It would be a shame though if they leave the past PoS-sound completely behind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
I actually liked RS1 better. RS2, I thought, sounded like a mix between RS1 throwaways and alternate versions, and a new EP designed to appeal to fans complaining about the stylistic choices of RS1. I don't think I've listened to RS2 at all since it's come out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2013, 12:31:21 PM
Wait...isn't Scarsick TPE pt.2?

Kind of. Daniel says it is, but it's not really. It has nothing to do with the original TPE.

Imagine a sequel to Scenes from a Memory where Nicolas, 5 seconds before dying, remebers every TV show he ever watched, and then every song describes a different TV show.

That's the kind of sequel it is.
I don't even know what you mean here, but I'm fairly sure Scarsick isn't just the preachy anti-American album you guys think it is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 12:36:38 PM
It's pretty damn preachy man.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2013, 12:45:28 PM
It's pretty damn preachy man.
I don't see how it's any more so than Concrete Lake and arguably even TPE1, just with different issues/subject matter. It's a story about how all the various issues affect the character and what they do to him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 12:52:50 PM
As far as the TV comment goes:

"At the end of part one we find him laying on that floor... and that's where we pick up again... lying on that floor having a television set on in the room, so the world, outside society, is being displayed in through that television..." -DG, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Q0Br0A-y0

That, according to Daniel, is actually the first half of the album until Disco Queen ends, which is honestly where I find the majority of the obnoxious songs to be. Yeah, I get that he's making some grander point about how pop-culture (which he mistakes as "society") offers nothing to the broken character(s?) of part one, but, like I said, the serial exaggerations and judgmental attitude do absolutely nothing for me, and make me not want to listen to the album for what it's really about. It's cool that Daniel decided to tackle these issues, but he did it in such an divisive and unconstructive way IMO.

As a side-note, I still remember what posting at RemedyLane forums was like after Scarsick came out. You couldn't  mention that you were an American there, or even have your location in your profile if you were, otherwise without people (including the mods who were the worst) would start treating you like shit :P Fun times.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
A little more:

In addition to all the membership changes, Scarsick really does seem to have been the death of PoS in the United States, too. The album's lyrics, the bullying from fans online, and the subsequent decisions from DG to cancel the United States tour because of "finger printing" isolated a few people in the states I'm afraid, even if that was not the intent. Only now, years and years later, is it even possible for DG to start rebuilding their fanbase in the states. And as Mebert mentioned, that fanbase seems to be made up almost completely of new fans... Good for Daniel, I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on May 06, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
Wow, I had no idea that Scarsick had produced such a backlash. That's insane!

Anyway, to weigh in my two cents here, I'm not that fond of Scarsick, but there are some songs on there that are really good as well - Enter Rain is a masterpiece as it is, Flame to the Moth is amazing, Spitfall is probably the only rap-metal song that I like, Cribcaged has a great main riff, though I think it could have been significantly improved with an added guitar solo before the "Fuck the..." section which could have served as a build-up, and Kingdom of Loss is pretty sweet musically. Still, it's probably my least favourite PoS album, though I've been appreciating it a little more since listening again for the survivor. Still, America, Scarsick, Disco Queen and Mrs. Modern Mother Mary are all bottom 10 PoS songs for, so... yeah.

I also like both Road Salts. To be honest, I didn't even know about all the line-up changes when I first heard them, and I doubt I would have noticed when hearing them, as it's a very different style. I'll say though that I like the more unconventional songs on the two Road Salts a little more instead of those that straight-out blues-rocky (Sisters, Of Dust, Sleeping Under the Stars, Break Darling Break, Of Salt, To the Shoreline), with The Physics of Gridlock probably being the only exception. If the best of both albums were compiled to one album, then it would maybe even crack my PoS top 3 and would definitely be within my top 4, after Remedy Lane and Entropia and before TPE on a good day.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 06, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
A little more:

In addition to all the membership changes, Scarsick really does seem to have been the death of PoS in the United States, too. The album's lyrics, the bullying from fans online, and the subsequent decisions from DG to cancel the United States tour because of "finger printing" isolated a few people in the states I'm afraid, even if that was not the intent. Only now, years and years later, is it even possible for DG to start rebuilding their fanbase in the states. And as Mebert mentioned, that fanbase seems to be made up almost completely of new fans... Good for Daniel, I guess.

Yes, I was really shocked by the fanbase last night.  I was actually wondering if PoS had a Road Salt song on a TV series soundtrack or something that attracted these younger, seemingly non-prog-metal, type of fans.  I did see some DT and QR and similar classic prog metal t-shirts, but not as many as I'd expected.  There were a decent number of girls there as well.  I usually see a handful of girls at prog shows, but not this many.  The crowd was all yelling and singing to the Road Salt tunes like "To the Shoreline" and "1979," but were less loud during the stuff I liked -- The Perfect Element, Redemy Lane and Be.  It made me sad.  But I guess that's the direction that Daniel wants now.  It didn't even seem like he felt connected to the older material as he performed it.  He seemed visibly more connected to the Road Salt stuff, in my opinion.  He said he was sick though, so maybe that played a role.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 07, 2013, 09:55:43 AM
I almost think of Road Salt and stuff like RL and TPE as two different bands. The only thing those albums really have in common is Daniel's voice. Everything else is completely different, and I'm enjoying POS's newer output from that line of thought.

Scarsick is still horrible though. Fuck that album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 07, 2013, 12:14:10 PM
I almost think of Road Salt and stuff like RL and TPE as two different bands. The only thing those albums really have in common is Daniel's voice. Everything else is completely different, and I'm enjoying POS's newer output from that line of thought.

Scarsick is still horrible though. Fuck that album.


I agree with the two different bands idea.  Unfortunately, for me, I just can't get into any of the material that's been released since "Be"    The anti-American sentiments don't bother me.  Musicians express opinions all the time, we don't have to agree with them.  I just don't like the direction the music was taken in.   PoS, to me, was a pretty remarkable and interesting progmetal band.  But they've morphed into something else now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 07, 2013, 01:39:05 PM
I really like Scarsick... I find it much more interesting than either of the Road Salt albums, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2013, 04:13:00 AM
I still think Scarsick is their best album.  It was my first, so that may have something to do with it, but I don't care, it's incredible from start to finish.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2013, 04:15:29 AM
Just read this;

https://www.bravewords.com/news/203611

Due to Daniel's deteriorating condition we regret to inform our Quebec City fans that tonight's concert has been cancelled. Daniel is very sorry to make this difficult decision. This is the first cancelation in Pain of Salvation's history. At this time the Montreal show is unaffected. Again our deepest apologies to our understanding fans in Quebec City.”

Anyone know what's wrong?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 08, 2013, 04:22:00 AM
He's gotten sick and he's therefore unable to perform.
Apparently, I've heard this from a very well-informed friend but take it with a grain of salt as I am still underslept and confused ;D, their bus driver also bailed on them, so now the bassist of Imminent Sonic Destruction drives them around. Holy shit can you have any more bad luck in one tour.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 08, 2013, 04:50:54 AM
He's gotten sick and he's therefore unable to perform.
Apparently, I've heard this from a very well-informed friend but take it with a grain of salt as I am still underslept and confused ;D, their bus driver also bailed on them, so now the bassist of Imminent Sonic Destruction drives them around. Holy shit can you have any more bad luck in one tour.

I'll take it with a grain of Road Salt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 08:02:22 AM
Well played, cyberdrummer, well played  :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 08:05:30 AM
By the way, this is how the PoS bus driver quit - they woke up one morning to find this:


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pos_driver_resignation.jpg)


That's pretty fucked up  :|


But we don't know the whole story either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 08:10:50 AM
If you want to read a bit more on the PoS tour bus driver quitting, you can check out this twitter feed: https://twitter.com/ISD_Tony (https://twitter.com/ISD_Tony)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 08, 2013, 08:15:01 AM
This is the first cancelation in Pain of Salvation's history.
He means like, not countint the entire Prog Nation tour?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 08:16:47 AM
This is the first cancelation in Pain of Salvation's history.
He means like, not countint the entire Prog Nation tour?


No, I think he means first cancellation while actually out on tour.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 08, 2013, 11:14:40 AM
Doesn't matter to me. If you buy tickets and the show doesn't happen, it's canceled.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
Doesn't matter to me. If you buy tickets and the show doesn't happen, it's canceled.


Right, well, ok, but I saw his Facebook post, he was referring to canceling because of sickness: (https://www.facebook.com/Painofsalvation/posts/10152038077764657)


Quote from: Daniel Gildenlow

Hey all, Daniel here. Just want to say that tonight's show in Montreal is happening! So sorry that we had to cancel yesterday but I could hardly stand on my feet. It's the first cancellation due to sickness in our career, so we hope you know it takes a LOT to stop us.


I am still pretty sick, so please come and give us all the love and energy that you can muster tonight and we'll power through and create some magic, ok? :)




I mean, I get what you're saying about a cancellation being a cancellation, but the 2009 ProgNation cancellation was a completely different animal (https://pmx2.krose.org/forum?action=view&forum_id=1&message_id=334679).  That was largely due to the complete financial collapse of SPV and out of the band's control.


Quote from: Pain of Salvation

We find ourselves in a state of surreal depression right now. After two weeks of nasty bureaucratic roller coasting and endless hours and days of waiting for people we have never met, we finally had a verdict. In the early hours of June 20, the plug was irretrievably pulled for our participation in the PN09 tour.


Through all these turbulent weeks since SPV (the owners of our record label InsideOut) filed for bankruptcy, we have truly done all in our power to save the coming album and the US tour, and InsideOut have pulled every possible and impossible string to make it work. It is with great sadness and disappointment that we declare failure. Pain of Salvation (or Beardfish, also pulled down in the wake of the sinking SPV) will thus not attend the PN09 tour with Dream Theater and Zappa Plays Zappa.


We want to thank the guys in Dream Theater and their management for having hoped and waited and for being very understanding and supportive despite this unexpected and bad turn of events. We still can’t picture ourselves NOT standing there in Las Vegas at the end of August and play Disco Queen all dressed up as Elvis impersonator impersonators! Luckily, a supportive Mike Portnoy burst in backstage right before our show at Hellfest this weekend to break the vacuum we were in and assure us that this was not by far the last train leaving the station, so we still haven’t lost scent of those Elvis costumes entirely.


Lastly, our apologies to the many fans who have already bought tickets, booked flights and train rides, asking leave from jobs etc. It’s really the liquidator handling SPV’s bankruptcy who should be making these apologies, but we have this feeling he never will (shame on you, you ignorant bowl of oatmeal!) so we simply do it in his place.
But let us end on a higher note; at least we can now all rejoice with the handful of American fans who contacted us and kindly (well, that might be a bit stretched) explained to us that since we were not supportive of the Bush administration, we were not welcome and should cancel the tour. We are always happy to be of service to our fans. I mean, ex fans are also fans, right?



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Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 11, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
The show in St.Paul TONIGHT 5/11/13 has been CANCELED (and the rest of the tour likely I would think).

https://www.facebook.com/Painofsalvation/posts/10152044068129657


It comes with heavy hearts and much sadness that we unfortunately must cancel our gig in St. Paul tonight.
Daniel's condition (the onset to pneumonia) might actually become serious pretty fast under the wrong conditions. We want to get back here as soon as possible and rock these places properly - the crowds have been creating so much wonderful enthusiasm and we truly love you for that. We know some of you will have waited a long time and travelled very far. There's not much more we can do than to apologize here. We know you love Daniel and we want to make sure he lives to come back and play more shows here in the US. Thank you for your understanding.


hopefully Daniel recovers soon and perhaps the rest of the tour can be RESCHEDULED later in the year (ala Bloc Party in 2010).

https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2013/05/pain-of-salvation-na-tour-starting.html

I regretfully inform everyone that the PAIN OF SALVATION show scheduled for this evening at Station 4 has been CANCELED.

I found out early this morning that Daniel Gildenlöw, lead singer for Pain of Salvation, has developed pneumonia and will be flying home to recover. Obviously the band could no longer perform under such circumstances.

I then tried to negotiate a free show with KINGCROW, IMMINENT SONIC DESTRUCTION and my outstanding local acts in order to salvage the evening. Unfortunately, due to a breakdown in communication, the other bands on the tour package had already started heading home and were now not in a position to make the show on time.

This is the first time in my entire 10 year career of producing Minnesota concerts that I have completely lost a show. I am extremely sorry for the gross inconvenience. Unfortunately these circumstances were far beyond my control.

Advance ticket holders, please return your tickets to your place of purchase for a full refund.

Kind regards,
Nathan Block
SwordLord Productions, Inc.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 11, 2013, 11:50:55 AM
Damn so he got worse....that sucks but thats life and he's better of getting treated at home than here.
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Post by: carl320 on May 11, 2013, 01:18:28 PM
I hope he can make it back soon for more tours of the states.

After hearing this news, I consider myself very lucky that the band was able to put on an amazing show in Chicago last night  :metal
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Post by: gilpdawg on May 11, 2013, 11:08:01 PM
I hope he can make it back soon for more tours of the states.

After hearing this news, I consider myself very lucky that the band was able to put on an amazing show in Chicago last night  :metal

It was fantastic.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 12, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
I feel bad for everyone who didn't get to see them (again, as in 2009 for PN, and going back to the fingerprint thing around 2005-2008).

I've seen them 3 times at PPUSA, but the last being 2004. And the band is so different now, it would more be like seeing the Daniel Gildenlow band anyway.

But, I'm still down about the show not being here last night . Hopefully they will reschedule some tour dates later this year.
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Post by: Elite on May 27, 2013, 01:06:52 PM
According to the Pain of Salvation Survivor, people don't like Sleeping Under the Stars. It currently has the most votes in the first round of Road Salt One. What's up with that? I love the song!
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Post by: Scorpion on May 27, 2013, 01:12:37 PM
Yeah, I love it too. It's a great break from the somewhat samey mood throughout the album, and I like the tongue-in-cheek lyrics.

On a related note, I've been digging Kingdom of Loss quite a bit recently. The lyrics are pretty bad, but the music is great, and I love the guitar solo. King of Loss is still miles better, but it's a pretty good song nontheless.
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Post by: jammindude on May 27, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
I suppose I like it OK...it's just that the rest of the album is quite a bit better.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2013, 02:13:59 PM
According to the Pain of Salvation Survivor, people don't like Sleeping Under the Stars. It currently has the most votes in the first round of Road Salt One. What's up with that? I love the song!
I hate the lyrics. I know they came out as they were intended to, and it's not like I really hate the intent either, I just hate those lyrics.
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Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2013, 02:46:49 PM
According to the Pain of Salvation Survivor, people don't like Sleeping Under the Stars. It currently has the most votes in the first round of Road Salt One. What's up with that? I love the song!

It's just the weakest on the album.
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Post by: Nel on May 27, 2013, 03:58:53 PM
Is that the one where he sings something about "semen stains, my dear!"? I laughed my head off at that shit.
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Post by: Elite on May 27, 2013, 04:57:19 PM
It's indeed the one where he says 'semen stains wash off surprisingly easily'. You have to admit that it's pretty funny with the arrangement of the song in mind as well, right? I just love the overall feel of the song, but alright.
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Post by: carl320 on May 27, 2013, 05:38:29 PM
I don't mind the song.  It's quirky.

I remember when I got the album and saw the title of that song, I was expecting some song about sleeping in the great outdoors or something like that  :lol
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 27, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
So I thought I should give these guys a try and put on TPE1. Wow, just wow. I'm on Ashes now and my mind is blown. This is amazing.
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Post by: Silver Tears on June 27, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
 :tup
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Post by: jammindude on June 27, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
So I thought I should give these guys a try and put on TPE1. Wow, just wow. I'm on Ashes now and my mind is blown. This is amazing.

You're in for a treat.   All of the first four albums are pretty much non-stop badass.  (though Concrete Lake is a bit spotty)

Even though I adore everything after Remedy Lane, I will admit that the music gets a bit more controversial.  Some of it won't grab you right away like the first four albums do...
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Post by: sueño on June 27, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
I just picked up Road Salt One (my first PoS album)

It blows my mind in ways that makes me very uncomfortable.  I love it!
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Post by: Zantera on June 27, 2013, 02:47:47 PM
BE is their best imo, followed by TPE and Entropia.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 27, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
Remedy Lane is my favorite.
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Post by: jammindude on June 27, 2013, 03:23:40 PM
BE is their best imo, followed by TPE and Entropia.

BE is very ambitious, and personally one of my favorite POS albums....but I would *never* recommend it for a first time listener.   

It's more performance art set to music than a group of "songs" per se...
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Post by: Scorpion on June 27, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
Remedy Lane is my favorite.

Yo, it's kinda getting really scary how well our musical opinions match up.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 27, 2013, 03:31:36 PM
Remedy Lane is my favorite.

Yo, it's kinda getting really scary how well our musical opinions match up.

Separated at birth, perhaps?
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Post by: Scorpion on June 29, 2013, 06:31:06 AM
Probably. You weren't born in Germany, by any chance?
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 12, 2013, 07:48:50 AM
So, I have now spent a few weeks absorbing The Perfect Element. Holy shit, if any album deserves to have the word "perfect" in it it's this. I worship everything about it, the only song that hasn't really clicked is King of Loss but I still enjoy it. I have also listened to "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" a few times. Very good album, but not even close to TPE's perfection IMO.

I'm thinking Entropia next and then working my way chronologically through the discography. I'm looking forward to it! :biggrin:
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Post by: Elite on July 12, 2013, 07:52:37 AM
Good job! OHBTCL is my favourite, but I'm pretty much the only one who thinks that. Most PoS fans think Remedy Lane is their best and that one is indeed fantastic as well. Regarding King of Loss, that's definitely the biggest grower on the album and one of the biggest growers I've ever heard. I used to really dislike the song until it finally clicked. Right now it's my favourite from TPE. Enjoy the amazing journey that is Pain of Salvation's music!

(also, feel free to step by the Polls/Survivors section for the ungoing Pain of Salvation Survivor, but please don't vote off stuff you haven't heard :P )
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 12, 2013, 11:05:37 AM
I will say though, they sure know how to open an album. Both Used and Inside are among the best album openers I have ever heard.
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Post by: Zantera on July 12, 2013, 11:32:15 AM
It gets better! Foreword is imo one of their best songs, and does a brilliant job opening Entropia. I don't think there is another example where the first song on a band's first album manages to summarize their sound so well, in just one song.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on July 12, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
So I thought I should give these guys a try and put on TPE1. Wow, just wow. I'm on Ashes now and my mind is blown. This is amazing.


If you like that one it's a pretty safe bet that you'll enjoy the other three early albums:


Entropia
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Remedy Lane


I pretty much hate everything else they've done although "Be" has a couple of cool moments.



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Post by: pogoowner on July 12, 2013, 03:34:03 PM
So I thought I should give these guys a try and put on TPE1. Wow, just wow. I'm on Ashes now and my mind is blown. This is amazing.


If you like that one it's a pretty safe bet that you'll enjoy the other three early albums:


Entropia
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Remedy Lane


I pretty much hate everything else they've done although "Be" has a couple of cool moments.
Hate is probably a strong word, but that's pretty much how I feel. 12:5 is awesome, but I never listen to anything they've released since.
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Post by: Nel on July 12, 2013, 06:35:08 PM
12:5 is exactly the kind of live album I like. Complete reinterpretation of music that makes it worth listening to.

I've warmed up to Remedy Lane over the years. But like Kurt, I really can't stand anything after that.
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Post by: sueño on July 12, 2013, 06:41:28 PM
I think I will absorb some PoS this weekend.  I have Pain and need Salvation.   :-\


Will begin with Remedy Lane on the way home...
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 13, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
:burns:
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Post by: jammindude on July 13, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
I think I will absorb some PoS this weekend.  I have Pain and need Salvation.   :-\


Will begin with Remedy Lane on the way home...

Remedy Lane *IS* my favorite...and I know some people will disagree with me...but I think The Perfect Element is a better starting album.   I that TPE was mind-blowing from start to finish from my very first spin.   When I first bought Remedy Lane, I had high expectations...and was initially disappointed.  It took about 6 months and 10 spins before that album "clicked" with me.    Your mileage may vary. 
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Post by: sueño on July 13, 2013, 03:15:16 PM
Advice taken and much appreciated.   :)

Btw, did already purchase Road Salt.  Beautiful!   And I can't tell you how much I love "of dust".  Maybe not a favorite here, but that mournful, gospel quality gives me chills.  Great to sing to.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 13, 2013, 07:38:57 PM
Advice taken and much appreciated.   :)

Btw, did already purchase Road Salt.  Beautiful!   And I can't tell you how much I love "of dust".  Maybe not a favorite here, but that mournful, gospel quality gives me chills.  Great to sing to.

You'll love Nauticus off of BE.
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Post by: sueño on July 14, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
Advice taken and much appreciated.   :)

Btw, did already purchase Road Salt.  Beautiful!   And I can't tell you how much I love "of dust".  Maybe not a favorite here, but that mournful, gospel quality gives me chills.  Great to sing to.

You'll love Nauticus off of BE.

Just gave it a listen.  Can't say I care for the muddy sounding vocal effects, but I do like the "chain gang" style of it.  6/10, i say.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 24, 2013, 11:54:44 AM
Listening to Entropia for the first time now. Foreword is :metal
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Post by: kirksnosehair on July 24, 2013, 12:09:58 PM
Entropia is like musical schizophrenia.   :lol


(e.g. I FUCKING LOVE IT!!  :metal  )



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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 24, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
People passing by  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Scorpion on July 24, 2013, 12:16:41 PM
Entropia is awesome. People Passing By, Nightmist, To the End and Plains of Dawn are all Top 20 Songs for me, and the rest is very good as well. Definitely check out the Japanese bonus track Never Learn to Fly, though.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on July 24, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
Funny story:  Pain of Salvation was recommended to me around the time that "Remedy Lane" came out and that was the album I bought first. 


After my first listen, I HATED it!   :facepalm:


After my second listen, I was like "meh"  :|


Third listen:  :corn






Forth listen:  :hat






Fifth listen:  :eek






Sixth listen:      (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/yikes.gif)           






But then I got ENTROPIA

and....





(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/epic.gif)
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Post by: Kwyjibo on July 24, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
! (Foreword) is one of the best album openers ever, not only by Pain Of S.
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Post by: Elite on July 24, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
! (Foreword) is one of the best album openers ever, not only by Pain Of S.

Not only that, it's the best first song on any debut album that I know.

Let's all kick this one straight into the top 10 of the survivor, shall we? :biggrin:
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Post by: Scorpion on July 25, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
No way! It's amazing but there are sooo many songs that I like more. It shouldn't have even made the finals, IMHO.
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Post by: Adami on July 25, 2013, 12:45:30 PM
So.....has there been any updates about that supposed new acoustic album?

I'm not super pumped about it, but I'll still get it. Have they started it? Or.....anything yet?
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
I just bought Ending Themes. What an amazing thing to watch.

I used to be quite indifferent with the "new" Undertow version, but this made me love it greatly. Still can't beat the studio version, though.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 25, 2013, 01:29:01 PM
If they actually played the good Scarsick songs instead of Scarsick, America or Disco Queen, I'd like it a lot more, but it's still great. The extended version of Handful of Nothing is pure, concentrated awesomeness.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
I thought Disco Queen is a great live track, totally digged the live version quite more than the studio one.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 25, 2013, 01:40:57 PM
Yeah Disco Queen live is better than the studio version but it's still one of my least favourites of the set. They should have played, I dunno, Enter Rain or something, that would work beautifully as the mainset closer.
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Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2013, 02:46:50 PM
Scarsick and America are both great. Disco Queen is lame though.
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Post by: Elite on July 26, 2013, 07:06:09 AM
Pain of Salvation survivor has reached the finals!
First round here; https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38224.0

Happy voting :)
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 26, 2013, 10:01:28 AM
If they actually played the good Scarsick songs instead of Scarsick, America or Disco Queen, I'd like it a lot more, but it's still great. The extended version of Handful of Nothing is pure, concentrated awesomeness.

After processing more Ending Themes, I happen to agree with you. The best Scarsick tracks were left out, and that's sad. Either way, the DVD is still quite excellent. I've yet to see Be live, you guys recommend that one?
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 26, 2013, 12:53:34 PM
If they actually played the good Scarsick songs instead of Scarsick, America or Disco Queen, I'd like it a lot more, but it's still great. The extended version of Handful of Nothing is pure, concentrated awesomeness.

After processing more Ending Themes, I happen to agree with you. The best Scarsick tracks were left out, and that's sad. Either way, the DVD is still quite excellent. I've yet to see Be live, you guys recommend that one?

I do. I first heard BE live before the studio album,  I mainly listen to it live because I like the feel of it over the way the studio feels. The concept feels more Earthy live.
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Post by: Adami on July 26, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
The live version also has a few things that I like better than the studio version.

In no order, despite the numbers.

1) Johan singing the chorus to Lilium Cruentus as opposed to just Daniel.
2) Less Daniel vocal harmonies give it a more natural feeling
3) The above, but more so on Omni. The live version of Omni is just incredible.
4) The guitar solo on Iter Impius is amazing live, but was meh on the studio
5) No vocals on the soft chorus for Iter Impius, also the bridge is only half as long, which is better.
6) The ending to Iter Impius is better live.
7) The entirety of Iter Impius is actually better live.


However some vocal moments that got fleshed out and so forth are better on the studio version.
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Post by: Elite on July 26, 2013, 01:42:57 PM
Yeah, I agree. Be live is absolutely essential and fantastic.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 26, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
Iter Impius live is sooo much better than the studio version. The DVD's worth it for that alone.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 08, 2013, 08:23:53 AM
Special setlist for ProgPower....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZ7rCBXECk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZ7rCBXECk)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 08, 2013, 08:38:32 AM
Dat setlist... :metal
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Post by: Zantera on September 08, 2013, 09:23:22 AM
Even though I don't care that much for Remedy Lane (probably their fourth best or so for me), I love it when bands do something like this. Playing a whole album in it's entirety that is.
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Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2013, 12:55:19 PM
Special setlist for ProgPower....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZ7rCBXECk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZ7rCBXECk)

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!

Where's that smiley that runs around in a tizzy with his hands in the air.  Someone post that for me cause that's what I'm running around the house doing right now!!!!
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 08, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
:panicattack:
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Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2013, 01:08:48 PM
THAT'S IT!!  That's what The Dude is doing right now!! 

*sigh*...too bad I don't play the lottery...because that's the only way I'd get to go to this.     Think they'll record it?
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Post by: bout to crash on September 08, 2013, 01:37:53 PM
As much as the idea of going to that entire festival doesn't appeal to me, I might actually do it to see Remedy Lane. I imagine tickets for next year won't be on sale for quite some time?
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Post by: Mebert78 on September 08, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
I said this in the prog nation at sea thread when pain of salvation was announced, but I don't understand why gildenlow is agreeing to these type of prog events if he is trying to distance the band from the progressive metal genre (he has said this in a road salt video interview last year, which I linked in the prog nation thread a month ago). It comes across as purely a money grab, which is a major turn off as a fan. If he is going to keep doing these events, he shouldnt make comments about not liking the band classified as prog metal anymore, in my opinion. I posted my complaint about this matter on the bands facebook page last month and daniel directly responded and brushed it off with a sarcastic comment. But this topic a legit beef as a fan who loves the genre, if you ask me. Don't use the genre only when its convenient for you. Either embrace the genre, or don't. End rant.
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Post by: bout to crash on September 08, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
Eh, I don't see what the big deal is. I can see why it's frustrating for an artist to be put in a genre box like that. It comes with a lot of assumptions and expectations, especially annoying when you (god forbid) want to make something different. Obviously the last couple of albums have been way less prog metal than the other stuff, which of course pisses some fans off who want them to play the same old shit. I don't blame him for wanting to distance them from that genre label, but I also don't blame them for wanting to take an opportunity like this. I also don't think wanting to make some money as being a terrible motive in a business where it's not that easy to make it.




(https://www.painofsalvation.com/news/images/Mini-Mr-Money-1.jpg):neverusethis:


Do you remember what Daniel's response was to your comment? I'm curious.

edit: Also, labels are overrated anyway :)
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Post by: ariich on September 09, 2013, 02:46:09 AM
I completely agree with Jackie, Daniel just doesn't like being labelled as one thing because then it can constrain you from doing something different. And as you say, the Road Salts are great albums that haven't had a great reception from some fans because they are not "prog metal".

Mebert, I remember you getting upset about this before, but honestly I don't see what the problem is. He never slated prog itself, just didn't want to be pigeonholed into a label.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 09, 2013, 04:35:44 AM
Remedy Lane is what got me into this band. Man, I´d give an arm and a leg to witness this show.
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Post by: bout to crash on September 09, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
I completely agree with Jackie, Daniel just doesn't like being labelled as one thing because then it can constrain you from doing something different. And as you say, the Road Salts are great albums that haven't had a great reception from some fans because they are not "prog metal".

Mebert, I remember you getting upset about this before, but honestly I don't see what the problem is. He never slated prog itself, just didn't want to be pigeonholed into a label.

Exactly. I think of Steven Wilson with this, too. He's also voiced similar opinions about the genre label/pigeonhole in the past, and his early solo stuff was definitely nowhere near "prog" (nor are many of his other projects). Of course now he's made a total prog album and doesn't seem to mind being featured in every Prog magazine  :lol
It doesn't mean he's only after money, it just means he wants to make whatever music is in his heart.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 09, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Well, at least SW goes out of PT to make that other type of music that he wants and won't fit PT, which is mostly where the problem lies. It's not that people want the same thing from PoS every 2 years, it's just that DG seems to go out of his way to try and differentiate himself from the rest of the crowd and in some cases - alienating a certain amount of fans I'd assume (like me).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2013, 12:28:45 PM
DG has never struck me as someone who goes out of his way to do something just for the sake of it. Every POS album is different, and I think the driver behind that is that what DG wants to do is always changing. I really respect the fact that he makes the music he wants to make. And let's be honest, it's not like he's going crazily experimental or moving into different genres. I find POS's recent music to still be recognisably POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 09, 2013, 12:31:26 PM
Just checking in to say that the Pain of Salvation survivor has ended after running for almost 9 months consecutively.
Here's the Results & Discussion Thread, for those interested: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35729.0
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Riceloft on September 13, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
As much as the idea of going to that entire festival doesn't appeal to me, I might actually do it to see Remedy Lane. I imagine tickets for next year won't be on sale for quite some time?
October 1st, actually!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 14, 2013, 01:11:56 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 10, 2014, 08:09:07 AM
Interesting news about PoS, Daniel's health, and the Progressive Nation gig:  From Daniel and PoS's FB page...

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Pain of Salvation forced to leave Daniel at home for PN14 cruise.

As most of you may already know, Daniel recently underwent a series of surgeries after having contracted a very serious bacterial infection (Necrotising Fasciitis, aka "flesh-eating bacteria"). We all hoped for a quick comeback and that he would make it in time for the Prog Nation At Sea cruise. Unfortunately, while his life isn't in any danger, the healing process will take much longer than expected. Now, after four weeks, he is still in the hospital, having to be put under with general anesthesia every second day for wound care.

This of course put us in a very difficult position, but when Daniel suggested that we go through with the show without him, we rose to the challenge, dead set on doing the best of the situation. So, in mutual agreement we have opted to go ahead with the gig and make it a very special one. We don't want to let those of you who come to see us down. We understand that this might still come as a disappointment to some, but we can assure you that we'll do our very best to put on a show that Daniel would be very proud of.

Daniel: "As much at it kills me, not being able to go, I know they can pull off a great gig. Ragnar (Zolberg, also front man of Icelandic band Sign) will be the main lead singer with his fantastic voice, and then we have Léo, who sings beautifully too, and Clay Withrow (front man of US band Vangough) stepping in to save us again with his singing and guitar playing. I'm really happy that they're doing this, and I really urge all fans to watch this show! If nothing else, than do it for me – I would love to see it myself!" 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 10, 2014, 08:24:46 AM
Oh wow. Being put under every other day for wound care, crazy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 10, 2014, 08:27:02 AM
Yeah, that's pretty intense, poor guy. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 10, 2014, 08:33:33 AM
Geez. How do you get that?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on February 10, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
Apparently it's not that hard to get exposed to risk of getting it.

wiki:
ources of MRSA may include eating undercooked contaminated meats,[9] working at municipal waste water treatment plants, exposure to secondary waste water spray irrigation,[10] consuming raw products produced from farm fields fertilized by human sewage sludge or septage, in hospital settings from patients of weakened immune systems,[11] or sharing/using dirty needles.[12] The risk of infection during regional anaesthesia is considered to be very low, though reported.[13]
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on February 11, 2014, 04:50:41 AM
That's awful, hopefully he gets better and makes a full recovery.

Interesting and ballsy that the band to still go ahead with the show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 11, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
Just when you thought Pain Of Salvation couldn't get any less Pain Of Salvation :lol no disrespect to the band members, but it says a lot that, when Dani is temporarily gone, they put together a lineup where basically the longest serving member's been there since 2010, and none of the others ever played on a studio recording, the dude who's singing and playing guitar instead of Dani hasn't even played on all of the tours since he arrived, and the other guitarist is now jumping on as a replacement for the second time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 11, 2014, 08:30:44 AM
Just when you thought Pain Of Salvation couldn't get any less Pain Of Salvation :lol no disrespect to the band members, but it says a lot that, when Dani is temporarily gone, they put together a lineup where basically the longest serving member's been there since 2010, and none of the others ever played on a studio recording, the dude who's singing and playing guitar instead of Dani hasn't even played on all of the tours since he arrived, and the other guitarist is now jumping on as a replacement for the second time.
If anyone at the cruise used to be a fan but hasn't been paying attention to PoS for the last 3-4 years, they are going to be so confused. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 11, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
I look forward to hearing back from those of you who see them on the cruise, and that it's not too much of a disappointment
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 11, 2014, 06:05:43 PM
I don't think it'll be a disappointment, as all of them are very talented, but, in lineup, it's as much Pain Of Salvation as Adrenaline Mob is Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 11, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
In some ways, I wish they would have just cancelled.   But since PoS is to Daniel what NiN is to Trent Reznor....and it *was* Daniel's idea, and he's not quitting PoS, he's just ensuring the already scheduled gig will go on in spite of his inability to join up.

This one gig just has SO MANY extenuating circumstances, that in my mind, I find myself giving it a pass in spite of my reservations.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 11, 2014, 06:20:37 PM
OTOH...the conspiracy theorists can start making claims that Daniel "must have REALLY NOT wanted to play Remedy Lane!"   :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 12, 2014, 04:22:49 AM
They're playing Remedy Lane on ProgPower USA, so he hasn't gotten out of it just yet :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on February 12, 2014, 04:32:00 AM
Has he said something against RL?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2014, 06:19:34 AM
They're playing Remedy Lane on ProgPower USA, so he hasn't gotten out of it just yet :lol

OOOOOHHHH....ok, my bad.

Has he said something against RL?

No...not really.   I think has said things more to the effect of not being a fan of playing albums in their entirety.  But I could be remembering that wrong too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 12, 2014, 12:15:24 PM
That is weird, but its his band.  Its odd because he's like the only founding member and him not being there playing would make it sound like a band covering PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 15, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
It just occurred to me, it's been a while since POS have released a new album. Obviously Daniel's sickness would slow something like that down, but I haven't heard anything about future plans, as far as I can recall.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nightmare_cinema on February 17, 2014, 06:18:22 AM
That is weird, but its his band.  Its odd because he's like the only founding member and him not being there playing would make it sound like a band covering PoS.

I agree. Gildenlow is why I love PoS. His vocals are the thing I seem to focus in on the most in nearly all of their tracks. I would be devastated to go see PoS and him not be there, I don't know much about the band's history regarding personnel etc. but I've heard there's been a lot of shifting around. It would be sad for the lynchpin to be absent and yes, sound like a covers band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 17, 2014, 06:55:50 AM
On the contrary, Gildenlow is a helluva singer, but he's basically the reason I don't like PoS anymore.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 17, 2014, 07:24:25 AM
I'm a bit divided on the topic. On one side I do like him, and I think he's a great frontman for the band, but on the other hand, I really don't care for the direction they have been going in lately. I liked Road Salt Two, but Be is the last amazing album they have released imo. If we get another Road Salt-like album, I would be really underwhelmed.

Daniel seems like one of the people who changes his mind very often about what he wants to do with music, and it can be frustrating as a fan sometimes. One day he looks back at their discography and is very happy with it, and the next day he doesn't want to do a "modern" progressive album ever again.

I hope PoS return with another amazing album, but I don't think they will. They will probably continue making good things, but with only Daniel left, they have lost a huge part of what made the band so unique.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nightmare_cinema on February 17, 2014, 07:26:21 AM
My favourite albums from their back catalogue are The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane, but I absolutely adore both Road Salts too, possibly more consistently than the earlier albums. If they came back with something along the veins of the Road Salts I'd be thrilled, so many of my favourite PoS tracks reside on those albums.

But then again I don't really get BE at all, much to the confusion of nearly every other PoS fan I know. I just don't get why it's so great :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 17, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
My favourite albums from their back catalogue are The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane, but I absolutely adore both Road Salts too, possibly more consistently than the earlier albums. If they came back with something along the veins of the Road Salts I'd be thrilled, so many of my favourite PoS tracks reside on those albums.

But then again I don't really get BE at all, much to the confusion of nearly every other PoS fan I know. I just don't get why it's so great :P

The concept is why I like BE, plus it has the best song ever Vocari Dei. But,  since I listened to BE live first I prefer it than the studio, it just breathes more and makes the concept come alive.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 17, 2014, 12:33:43 PM
Has he said something against RL?
No...not really.   I think has said things more to the effect of not being a fan of playing albums in their entirety.  But I could be remembering that wrong too.

...or that he isn't into progressive metal so much anymore.

Daniel seems like one of the people who changes his mind very often about what he wants to do with music, and it can be frustrating as a fan sometimes. One day he looks back at their discography and is very happy with it, and the next day he doesn't want to do a "modern" progressive album ever again.

ya, pretty much this.



now that I think of it, I haven't wished him well in this thread (though I have elsewhere, and even in other threads on this forum)...that being said...GET WELL, BUD! hope youre doing okay.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on May 13, 2014, 05:47:35 AM
I just saw this on Daniel Gildenlöw's Facebook page:

"I very seldom write statuses on work process. Why? Because that's boring content for FB. But today I must let you guys know I have finished the Falling Home CD, and the live DVD "The Great Unravelling" audio is just now being bounced! So, album mixes DONE. Live CD mixes DONE. DVD stereo mix DONE. DVD Surround mix DONE! Aaaaah, this feels so gooooood! :) "

Maybe I'm alone but...am I the only one only just hearing about these projects just now? I had no idea anything was going on in PoS land.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2014, 05:54:52 AM
Yeah, I have no idea what these are, anyone?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2014, 06:21:47 AM
I heard a while ago that they were working on an acoustic album of older songs, around the time when they played a couple of older "classics" in new versions. I believe that this was "Falling Home", something like what Anathema did on Hindsight and Falling Deeper, old songs rearranged in new versions. I might have it mixed up though, maybe it was the live album that was acoustic versions and Falling Home was something else. They haven't posted a lot of updates so I just remember hearing about it briefly.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2014, 06:27:31 AM
I heard a while ago that they were working on an acoustic album of older songs, around the time when they played a couple of older "classics" in new versions. I believe that this was "Falling Home", something like what Anathema did on Hindsight and Falling Deeper, old songs rearranged in new versions. I might have it mixed up though, maybe it was the live album that was acoustic versions and Falling Home was something else. They haven't posted a lot of updates so I just remember hearing about it briefly.  :lol

This doesn't excite me at all. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2014, 07:52:09 AM
Yeah, if it is indeed an acoustic/unplugged album of old songs, I agree. It's been some time since Road Salt now, and I feel like the state of the band overall right now is kinda "meh". I did like Road Salt Two, but the last three releases have been lackluster compared to their older stuff, and right now I want that next great studio album, not old stuff reworked.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on May 13, 2014, 08:29:51 AM
For what I understood, those live versions of older songs were just that for the tour they did last year. They played a new song called - indeed - 'Falling Home' and I can remember Gildenlöw mentioning that it would be released on a Pain of Salvation CD with acoustic songs only. That said, no, it doesn't really excite me either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2014, 09:43:06 AM
I dunno, I absolutely love 12:5, which is the same sort of thing. So one hand, I like the idea, on the other hand, they've pretty much already done that. Quite unusual for DG to be retreading old ground.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on May 13, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
Maybe he's finally realized he can't write good songs so he's doing the prog version of selling out? :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2014, 11:33:10 AM
I love 12:5 (I would say it's one of my favorite live albums easily), but they have already done that. And part of why it's so magical is because it's live. So IF it's a studio album with the same concept.. meh. But yeah, been 3 years since RS2 now. I feel like it's time for another studio album, and hopefully something closer to the old stuff than the RS albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 13, 2014, 12:32:11 PM
Road Salt 1 and 2 are fantastic albums. I really enjoy how diverse PoS are, my favorite being 'BE'
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2014, 12:56:13 PM
Road Salt 1 and 2 are fantastic albums. I really enjoy how diverse PoS are, my favorite being 'BE'
I agree with every word in this post.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 13, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
Road Salt 1 and 2 are fantastic albums. I really enjoy how diverse PoS are, my favorite being 'BE'

Be is so damn good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2014, 06:32:08 PM
12:5 is amazing, which is why we don't really need another live acoustic release, especially considering the state of the band at the moment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on May 13, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
12:5 is amazing, which is why we don't really need another live acoustic release, especially considering the state of the band at the moment.
Yeah, I think 12:5 is probably one of the top three albums they've ever released, but I'm not itching for another acoustic release of any kind, especially if it's not new material.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on May 14, 2014, 01:11:13 AM
I was at one of the acoustic show on the acoustic tour this CD/DVD will be from and it was amazing. It was really, really, really different from 12:5 acoustic type of show with the whole 70's living room atmosphere and the type of energy they were sending to people and I loved it. The songs were changed much more than on 12:5 and were even more interesting (and I like 12:5 a lot), I don't remember any changes that didn't fit

I was looking forward to this release since the day I attended the acoustic show.

And maybe this will be also studio album but it definitely will be a live album as well so don't worry about that :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 02, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Took a trip down Remedy Lane today. Hot damn, I forgot how good this album was  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 02, 2014, 10:52:08 AM
I wouldn't put Remedy Lane in my top3 PoS albums, but it is a very good album.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on July 12, 2014, 01:14:40 AM
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG (J-Dude proceeds to pee himself profusely)

PAIN OF SALVATION ANNOUNCE A NORTH AMERICAN TOUR!!!!

https://www.prog-sphere.com/uncategorized/pain-salvation-announce-north-american-tour/

PAIN OF SALVATION North American Tour:

9/10: Atlanta, GA @ The Loft (Midweek Mayhem @ ProgPower USA)

9/13: Atlanta, GA @ Center Stage (ProgPower USA)

9/14: Springfield, VA @ Empire

9/16: Dunellen, NJ @ Roxy and Dukes

9/17: Cambridge, MA @ Middle East

9/18: New York, NY @ The Marlin Room at Webster Hall

9/19: Montreal, QC @ Theatre Plaza

9/20: Toronto ON @ Coda

9/21: Chicago, IL @ Reggie’s

9/24: Seattle, WA @ El Corazon

9/26: Las Vegas, NV @ Cheyenne Saloon

9/27: Ramona, CA @ Ramona Mainstage

9/28: Whittier, CA @ The Center Theatre

9/30: Mexico City, MX @ Jose Cuervo Salon
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 12, 2014, 05:40:41 AM
Hate to say it, but Daniel looks bad in that pic.... that illness must have taken a lot out of him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 12, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
that makeup show in Minnesota?..I heard good word a few months ago they were coming back here.. ::) :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 12, 2014, 09:14:22 PM
https://www.prog-sphere.com/uncategorized/pain-salvation-announce-north-american-tour/

I just reread the whole press release. Is this not new news? Probably not until 2015 tho, given Daniel's events of this year.

PAIN OF SALVATION are currently working on their upcoming release through InsideOut, entitled “Falling Home.”
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 13, 2014, 02:15:13 AM
The "Falling Home" album or re-arranged songs (or whatever it ends up being) is something we've talked about in this thread before, so not exactly news.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 13, 2014, 05:12:27 AM
Cambridge Ma you say?! :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 13, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
The title Falling Home got me super excited. Considering the amount of references to "falling" in both of the TPE albums, I thought it might have something to do with Part III.

Nope, just some acoustic remakes. Yay.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2014, 09:00:01 AM
Surprise! They're not coming anywhere close to Denver. I may be in CA in late September, but not the area they're going to.
Lame. Not really a band I'd travel for anymore.

Who the fuck plays Dunellen?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on July 14, 2014, 03:21:54 PM
It's funny how excited I would have been about this years ago. Now I might not even make the hour trip to the NJ show, despite loving the guys who run the prog house.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
Yeah, I feel ya. I'd drive an hour, but I ain't leaving the state. SW is the only person I love enough to do that for these days  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: elyster on September 11, 2014, 07:00:32 AM
Awesome show last night at ProgPower!  Only played songs from Entropia and TPE - with a break in the middle where Daniel got behind the drums and the guitarist sang Love Gun.

This was my first time ever seeing them live.  I was worried at first since he is the only original member now and it would feel like a cover band, or his solo act.  Which in a way I guess it really is, but they sounded great.

Looking forward to hearing Remedy Lane in its entirety Saturday night.    :metal

And Daniel looked like he was having an absolute blast on stage.  Huge smile on his face the whole time and hitting a majority of the high notes.  Great to see him healthy again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 11, 2014, 07:23:38 AM
I really hope they're having such a blast playing older songs, that the next album will be closer to Entropia/One Hour/Remedy Lane/The Perfect Element rather than a continuation of Road Salt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Xenon on September 11, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
I love both road salt, but the only thing I love more than those albums is TPE, so I would not mind that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 12, 2014, 06:41:31 AM
As long as they don't go back to Scarsick or BE I can't imagine I'd complain.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2014, 06:47:10 AM
I really hope they're having such a blast playing older songs, that the next album will be closer to Entropia/One Hour/Remedy Lane/The Perfect Element rather than a continuation of Road Salt.

We can only hope.

As long as they don't go back to Scarsick or BE I can't imagine I'd complain.

I love those two albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2014, 07:18:04 AM
As long as they don't go back to Scarsick or BE I can't imagine I'd complain.

I still think BE is their best. TPE is not far behind, but BE is perfect IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2014, 07:28:09 AM
As long as they don't go back to Scarsick or BE I can't imagine I'd complain.

I still think BE is their best. TPE is not far behind, but BE is perfect IMO.
It's not often we agree on a band's best output, but this is one of those occasions! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 12, 2014, 07:28:49 AM
RL FTW
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 12, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
Be could have been (lololol) good if it wasn't for the preponderance of "mood setters" getting in the way of making something that sounds nice. I don't usually mind talking in my music (Ziltoid, for one), but my god there's so much dead time. Every time it seems like the album's picking up, there's some horrifically overacted dialogue that totally kills the momentum. Freakin' concept albums man.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2014, 07:47:34 AM
I can see the criticism even if I don't agree. I suck at remembering the titles (because they're weird for the most part), but that short song with all the vocal samples of people "talking" to God has always been quite powerful to me, and I love it. It's very much an atmospheric mood-piece, but works perfect as such. I also love the spoken word part with Daniel talking to some girl about her handling the stick in the car, and she replies it's an automatic. It always cranks me up.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2014, 07:51:25 AM
I can see the criticism even if I don't agree. I suck at remembering the titles (because they're weird for the most part), but that short song with all the vocal samples of people "talking" to God has always been quite powerful to me, and I love it. It's very much an atmospheric mood-piece, but works perfect as such. I also love the spoken word part with Daniel talking to some girl about her handling the stick in the car, and she replies it's an automatic. It always cranks me up.  :lol
Agreed on all counts. Vocari Dei (literally, talking to God) is beautiful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 12, 2014, 07:55:35 AM
I can see the criticism even if I don't agree. I suck at remembering the titles (because they're weird for the most part), but that short song with all the vocal samples of people "talking" to God has always been quite powerful to me, and I love it. It's very much an atmospheric mood-piece, but works perfect as such. I also love the spoken word part with Daniel talking to some girl about her handling the stick in the car, and she replies it's an automatic. It always cranks me up.  :lol
That's the bit that bothers me the most, really. The album spends so much time trying to establish itself as this massive creative force that has to be taken super seriously and then lays that whole discussion on you. When you have something like that so close to Vocari Dei, it's jarring and weird.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2014, 08:06:46 AM
An album I wanted to bring some more focus on is One Hour by the Concrete Lake, which is IMO a really underrated album and kinda falls between the cracks, since it's the follow-up to one of the better debut albums out there (Entropia) and was followed-up with two albums that are generally considered to be the band's two best albums. (The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane)

I'm not saying One Hour is in my top3 PoS albums, but I think it's pretty underrated. It has some really strong songs like Home, Handful of Nothing, New Years Eve and Inside. A really nice album IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 13, 2014, 11:02:29 AM
I like One Hour more than anything they've done the last 10 years. And I imagine I'm not alone. So if rating it their 4th best record means it's underrated, I'm not sure how much higher it could be rated.

Is it undermentioned/not talked about, referenced enough? perhaps.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 13, 2014, 11:59:53 AM
It's probably my fifth favorite. Or fourth. My top 3 has always been BE, The Perfect Element and Entropia. Remedy Lane and One Hour would be nr4 and 5, though I change my mind on the order. As much as I don't care for their current direction, I actually really enjoyed RS2. It wasn't a bad album at all IMO, and I quite enjoyed it, even if the 70's/retro sound overall is kinda played out at this point. A friend brought up a good point that the RS albums would have made one strong album, and I can see that. Take the best from RS1 and RS2 and you have a really good album, whereas now it's one decent album and one pretty good, but none of them come close to the awesomeness of classic PoS.

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Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 13, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
did anyone order the PE1 or RL vinyls? are the side splits crappy (i.e. quick fadeouts)?
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Post by: Xenon on September 13, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Be could have been (lololol) good if it wasn't for the preponderance of "mood setters" getting in the way of making something that sounds nice. I don't usually mind talking in my music (Ziltoid, for one), but my god there's so much dead time. Every time it seems like the album's picking up, there's some horrifically overacted dialogue that totally kills the momentum. Freakin' concept albums man.
As usual, I agree with George Carlin.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 13, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
Remedy Lane in full, live... Holy hell  :omg:

Incredible. I'm lost for words.
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Post by: goo-goo on September 13, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Remedy Lane in full, live... Holy hell  :omg:

Incredible. I'm lost for words.

So what happened? I've read that PoS had to start the set again and seems like the promoter was  a bit upset about it.
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Post by: elyster on September 14, 2014, 05:37:30 AM
Yeah they had a giant curtain for the stage between acts.  For POS they opened it early and it was just silence for about 5 minutes, then piped in Remedy Lane (the instrumental) and they eventually walked on stage and started.  Daniel seemed to think it was a bit of a lame way to start.  So they walked off, closed the curtain again, waited another 5 minutes.  Piped in RL, opened curtain near ending and came on stage and started playing.

And it was...well...wow.   My life is now complete.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: carl320 on September 17, 2014, 10:23:24 PM
Just wanted to say that King of Loss is probably my favorite song on TPE1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2014, 10:25:49 PM
Just wanted to say that King of Loss is probably my favorite song on TPE1.

This is probably one of my fav POS songs period.  Don't understand why people don't rate it that high.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: carl320 on September 17, 2014, 10:31:55 PM
It's always seemed like one of those "love it or hate it" kind of songs.  I think it is a perfect way to end the second chapter, with the main character of the album going all the way back to the beginning.  Plus that guitar solo   :metal
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Post by: bout to crash on September 17, 2014, 11:47:42 PM
I've always liked it, but I can see why people don't. It does feel a bit long/draggy after a while.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 17, 2014, 11:55:22 PM
My problem with King of Loss ist, that it builds up an incredible tension in the verses, and I think "whoa great, where is this thing going?" and when the chorus kicks in, it is a huge letdown. No good release of the tension, no real flow of the lyrics, no great melodies. Overall it's still a very good song but with a better chorus it could have been stellar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 18, 2014, 01:51:12 AM
I love King of Loss, but my favorite on TPE is hands down Her Voices. The first half and the beautiful melodies there are just amazing, and the second half with the instrumental section (maybe the best instrumental section by PoS) is also really special.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 18, 2014, 07:24:56 AM
big love for "King of Loss" and "Her Voices" but nothing beats "Falling/TPE1" for me. POS haven't hit a higher songwriting peak, imo (which isn't to speak ill of Remedy Lane!).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 20, 2014, 02:30:17 PM
King of Loss is brilliant. In fact, that sweet spot between 5:58 and 7:30 is the most beautiful piece of music I have ever heard.

The rest of the song might pale in comparison, but who cares. It's still fucking epic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 15, 2014, 05:57:09 AM
This is what Daniel looks like nowadays....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10291079_10204842267367210_8197514306120362494_n.jpg?oh=ed7c9d8bda1d003ff7c9a540bd877d71&oe=54C06EAA&__gda__=1420780476_89832b714365dca871727abcc1a9836d)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Xenon on October 15, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
This is what Daniel looks like nowadays....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10291079_10204842267367210_8197514306120362494_n.jpg?oh=ed7c9d8bda1d003ff7c9a540bd877d71&oe=54C06EAA&__gda__=1420780476_89832b714365dca871727abcc1a9836d)
He's still handsome as fuck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 15, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
A bit skinny and hairy, but I'd still hit it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on October 15, 2014, 08:39:34 AM
King of Loss is fucking brilliant and it's a shame they don't really perform it live. That said, seeing Remedy Lane in full at this year's ProgPower Europe was quite awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 15, 2014, 08:49:28 AM
My face was really sore by the end. I don't think I've ever smiled so intensely before  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on October 15, 2014, 08:49:59 AM
YOU WERE AT PROGPOWER EUROPE?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 15, 2014, 09:03:36 AM
Even though I think it's beyond awesome that they are performing my favorite album of theirs (and quite possibly, my favorite album in general), I'm a bit torned by the YouTube videos I've seen.

Beyond the Pale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFQX7WvzAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFQX7WvzAw)
Undertow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5dUe2_FN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5dUe2_FN0)

While it's superobvious they've find themselves a real gem in Ragnar Solberg, it's a bit sad that Daniel seems to hand over all the tough vocal parts to him. And in retrospect, it's not surprising giving that neither of the Road Salt albums had any super difficult parts.

So I have mixed feelings about this. But ultimately, I'm really glad that Daniel hasn't forgotten his prog metal roots, whether he wants to call them that or not.  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 15, 2014, 09:04:47 AM
YOU WERE AT PROGPOWER EUROPE?

No  :lol

USA
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on October 15, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Even though I think it's beyond awesome that they are performing my favorite album of theirs (and quite possibly, my favorite album in general), I'm a bit torned by the YouTube videos I've seen.

Beyond the Pale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFQX7WvzAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFQX7WvzAw)
Undertow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5dUe2_FN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5dUe2_FN0)

While it's superobvious they've find themselves a real gem in Ragnar Solberg, it's a bit sad that Daniel seems to hand over all the tough vocal parts to him. And in retrospect, it's not surprising giving that neither of the Road Salt albums had any super difficult parts.

So I have mixed feelings about this. But ultimately, I'm really glad that Daniel hasn't forgotten his prog metal roots, whether he wants to call them that or not.  :heart

what the fuck? i mean, the guy is doing a great job but still, i'd rather hear a technically worse performance by DG than that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 15, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Be fair, he's only recently recovered from a serious illness and operations.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 16, 2014, 01:36:52 PM
So we now have a track from the upcoming acoustic album to listen to.

https://www.facebook.com/Painofsalvation/posts/10153425112144657 (https://www.facebook.com/Painofsalvation/posts/10153425112144657)

Tracklist and cover:

(https://www.insideoutmusic.com/media/news/large/635478320069157681.jpg)

1. Stress
2. Linoleum
3. To The Shoreline
4. Holy Diver
5. 1979
6. Chain Sling
7. Perfect Day
8. Mrs. Modern Mother Mary
9. Flame To The Moth
10. Spitfall
11. Falling Home

While it sounds cool, I'm not terribly excited for a repeat of what they already made masterfully with 12:9, but with much worse songs. However, it looks like it's going to be a couple of entirely new songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on October 16, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
I'm going to get the Ltd. Edition, just because it has King of Loss on it. The rest I'm not really interested in to be honest, since I wasn't overly impressed with that wacky acoustic tour they did a year ago - the one wher they basically played all of this 'album'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 16, 2014, 02:57:17 PM
I can't say I'm too excited for this really. It will be interesting, but I really want a new studio album. And a metal one. Not a 70's one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 16, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I can't say I'm too excited for this really. It will be interesting, but I really want a new studio album. And a metal one. Not a 70's one.
This. But I really doubt we'll ever get it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 16, 2014, 07:51:42 PM
This version of Linoleum is pretty... but that ending, really?  :|

I'm also not crazy about the overall track list (except maybe Chain Sling), so not sure I'll be buying this.
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Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2014, 11:48:43 PM
I didn't mind that track actually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nefarius on October 17, 2014, 03:32:12 AM
Great to see Daniel with his trusty blue Fly in those recent videos, always nice to see fellow Parker players! Hope he'll be back at 100% soon.
Not sure about "Falling Home" though. We'll see.

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 17, 2014, 05:04:00 AM
Nobody commenting on the fact that they're doing an acoustic cover of Holy Diver and and apparantly an acoustic version of Spitfall?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2014, 05:37:51 AM
Nobody commenting on the fact that they're doing an acoustic cover of Holy Diver and and apparantly an acoustic version of Spitfall?  :lol

That's actually one of the tracks I'm most interested in hearing.
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Post by: MirzekDT on October 17, 2014, 07:04:23 AM
Nobody commenting on the fact that they're doing an acoustic cover of Holy Diver and and apparantly an acoustic version of Spitfall?  :lol

That's actually one of the tracks I'm most interested in hearing.

At the show I was on the acoustic version of Spitfall was amazing, much better than studio version and I like that one too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mindflux on October 30, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZh2fh_1Rk&feature=youtu.be - 1979 from their new album
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 30, 2014, 03:09:30 PM
Pretty good. Sounds almost exactly the same as the original, though.

I wish they'd just get on with making new music, though. No more 70's shite. (although I do enjoy RS)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on October 30, 2014, 03:35:43 PM
And... Gildenlöw cut off his hair once again..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on November 08, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
So, have anybody else listened to Falling Home? It's on spotify already.

Mrs. Modern Mother Mary is maybe the best version and works a lot better in acustic IMO. Holy Diver with 50's twist and reggae, that was nice too.

But overall, I don't really see what's the point of this release. Why they can't just compose few new songs? That's nice album but I had the feeling all the listening time that they have done this already. Maybe few of these tracks could have been on bonus features of new full length album...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 08, 2014, 05:18:45 PM
It's cool. Listened to it once today, as I got my copy in the mail. I liked it. Will report back when I've listened to it some more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 10, 2014, 04:47:10 AM
Update on the new PoS album: holy shit, this thing is awesome. It feels like every song they've re-recorded is much more groovy and the album is very easy to listen to. Highlights include Mrs. Modern Mother Mary (which is strange, for it's one of my least favourite PoS songs in its original form), the cover of Lou Reed's 'Perfect Day', Flame to the Moth, To The Shoreline and King of Loss, which works surprisingly well in a stripped-down version. The only song I think sounds remarkably 'worse' is Chain Sling, but the original is hard to top.

Although it's all acoustic, it sounds pretty huge and Daniel's voice is in great shape on the whole album. This is a great follow-up to both Road Salts as far as I'm concerned and, while the album contains mostly 're-makes', it definitely does sound very different from their previous stuff. I'm biased, because PoS is one of favourite bands, but I'm very, very impressed with this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2014, 05:01:08 AM
I have only listened to maybe half of the tracks on Youtube, my opinion is pretty mixed. Some songs, like Stress for example, doesn't come off well acoustically at all, and I don't see why they even tried with that song. They have others from Entropia that would probably have worked much better for an acoustic/re-arranged version. I think the Scarsick songs are probably the biggest surprises, and Flame to the Moth and Mrs. Modern Mother Mary are the two most positive tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on November 10, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
Is the Holy Diver cover part of this album? If so, I definitely won't waste time listening to it. That was almost a travesty, put me off even more than I already was.
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Post by: Mister Gold on November 10, 2014, 12:17:43 PM
Been meaning to get into this band for some time now. At the suggestion of a friend of mine, I'm currently listening to Remedy Lane in its entirety. Holy crap, this album is amazing! :hefdaddy
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Post by: PixelDream on November 10, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
I've been listening to the album the last couple of days in order to give it a review.

Not listening for my own pleasure though. And I do like Pain of Salvation. Ugh, that new track 'Falling Home'. Really? Come on.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on November 10, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Been meaning to get into this band for some time now. At the suggestion of a friend of mine, I'm currently listening to Remedy Lane in its entirety. Holy crap, this album is amazing! :hefdaddy

Remedy Lane is one of my favourite albums of all time. Other must haves include Entropia, The Perfect Element and, to a slightly lesser extent BE (unless you really like concept albums, then you should dig this one a lot more than I do) and One Hour By the Concrete Lake. Their later works have touches of brilliance, but none come close to the quality of their first five albums when taken as an album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 11, 2014, 01:55:23 AM
I couldn't find the new album on Spotify. :( Maybe it's not available in Sweden yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2014, 06:47:34 AM
Yeah it's on Spotify here in the UK.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mister Gold on November 11, 2014, 07:22:58 AM
Been meaning to get into this band for some time now. At the suggestion of a friend of mine, I'm currently listening to Remedy Lane in its entirety. Holy crap, this album is amazing! :hefdaddy

Remedy Lane is one of my favourite albums of all time. Other must haves include Entropia, The Perfect Element and, to a slightly lesser extent BE (unless you really like concept albums, then you should dig this one a lot more than I do) and One Hour By the Concrete Lake. Their later works have touches of brilliance, but none come close to the quality of their first five albums when taken as an album.

I'll probably check BE out next. I'm a fan of concept albums and that was the second album a friend of mine recommended I check out (after Remedy Lane). :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 11, 2014, 07:27:08 AM
Is the Holy Diver cover part of this album? If so, I definitely won't waste time listening to it. That was almost a travesty, put me off even more than I already was.

Yes, it's part of the album. I really can't see how it's a 'travesty' though. It's a daring move, I'll give that, but I think they pulled it off very well. It's fun.
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Post by: abydos on November 11, 2014, 08:46:47 AM
I thought it was abysmal and also a wasted opportunity. This was more fitting to be a comedy sketch, similar to that Australian guy who made a lounge version of a Cannibal Corpse song.
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Post by: Mebert78 on November 11, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
I'll probably check BE out next. I'm a fan of concept albums and that was the second album a friend of mine recommended I check out (after Remedy Lane). :tup

I love Be.  It's in my top 10 all-time favorite albums.  The album is very creatively done concept.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 11, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
Falling Home is pretty good; probably better than I expected. My biggest issue or question being, is this album live? because there's no audience track.

That and the fact they already played Chain Sling acoustically on 12:5, even as much as I love it, they could have included something else not from 12:5,  instead.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 11, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
My biggest issue or question being, is this album live?

No, it's not. It's a studio album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on November 12, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
I couldn't find the new album on Spotify. :( Maybe it's not available in Sweden yet.

Interesting, in Finland it was on Spotify already on Sunday.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 12, 2014, 01:40:24 AM
I couldn't find the new album on Spotify. :( Maybe it's not available in Sweden yet.

Interesting, in Finland it was on Spotify already on Sunday.
Just noticed it's there now, listening now. :) First impressions: Stress is so, so, so cool! Will return with more opinions later.
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Post by: Lynxo on November 12, 2014, 05:08:51 AM
All right, so here are some opinions from me:

- As always, PoS display an impressive abilities to rework their own tunes into something completely different. Even the first song is incredibly cool-sounding.
- The production is a loooot better than the last acoustic album. I'm not that good with mixing terms but it sounds close and in your face - like they're playing in your living room. Maybe it's the lack of reverb? It sounds naked and honest.
- New member Ragnar gets to really show off his vocals, especially in Chain Sling. It might seem a weird choice with yet another version of that song - this is the fourth one and second studio one! But Ragnar's vocals totally sold me to yet another version.
- The vocal harmonies, oh my God. They've still got that part down.

Anybody know what Perfect Day and Falling Home is, are they entirely new songs?
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Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2014, 05:10:10 AM
Anybody know what Perfect Day and Falling Home is, are they entirely new songs?

I believe Perfect Day is a Lou Reed cover, but Falling Home is indeed a brand new song.
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Post by: ariich on November 12, 2014, 05:10:37 AM
I think Falling Home is new.

Perfect Day is a Lou Reed song I believe.

EDIT: ninja'd
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Post by: Lynxo on November 12, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
Thanks to DTF for the facts! Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by this album. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 10, 2015, 10:28:13 PM
So I've heard forever about how bad the Road Salts are, but I'm just now listening through RS1, and I gotta say, I'm really loving it. This is probably going right to the top of my to-buy list.
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 10, 2015, 10:35:21 PM
I love both of them to pieces. I think the main point of contention is the drastic shift in style and the production. Don't get me wrong, I would literally kill for them to make a metal album again. Once I got over that, I found the Road Salt albums have a lot of awesome to offer. Really, the only song that falls flat for me is Innocence. Everything else has at least a few nice hooks here and there.
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Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2015, 03:12:03 AM
Road Salt One is very okay (not bad, not fantastic), and it has some good songs. Road Salt Two is genuinely good IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2015, 03:42:48 AM
RS1 >>> RS2
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on January 11, 2015, 04:51:20 AM
For me, it's the other way round.

RS2 > RS1, although RS1 has a couple of songs that are better than the best on RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2015, 07:23:50 AM
RS2 is way more consistent and has more highlights. On RS1 I would only say No Way and Sisters stand out, whereas on RS2, most (at least half) of the songs are genuinely enjoyable. RS2 was their best since BE IMO, though I guess that doesn't say much.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on January 11, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
I think both albums are pretty much equally amazing. The only POS albums I prefer are BE and TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
I think the main reason a lot of us aren't talking about the RS albums was because they weren't "omg amazing"-great. They were fine, but compared to the best the band has produced, a bit meh. If you traveled back to 2004 or so, when PoS were coming off strong after TPE, Remedy Lane and BE, I think a lot of fans had high hopes that PoS could take over the mantle of Prog giants (after DT), but then they released Scarsick and the RS albums, 90% of the band left, and I don't think anyone has those hopes anymore.

The first 5 albums remain very special though.
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Post by: Elite on January 11, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
That sums it up quite nicely, though their first five albums are still more than enough for me to consider PoS amongst my top favourite bands, even though they're not appealing for me to see live anymore.
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Post by: Scorpion on January 11, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Speaking of PoS, are you going to start the discography thread soon Rich? There's only one running at the moment. No stress though!
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Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 09, 2015, 02:39:43 AM
As many of you may knew that Daniel was in Sweden's Eurovision song contest semifinals but placed last in the voting. Here's the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2QqK1ona8c&feature=youtu.be

And from fb comments I found a lot more interesting thing:
Quote
- - We are writing a complex and uncompromising back-to-early-pos album right now --

- Daniel
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Post by: Zydar on February 09, 2015, 02:41:34 AM
I knew he was in the Eurovision, but I didn't watch it - haven't bothered with that spectacle for many years now.

Great news about the new album though :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
I'll believe that album news when I hear it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2015, 05:16:18 AM
Eurovision is a popularity contest more than anything else. Daniel could have performed the best song in the contest and he still probably wouldn't have gone through. The last few years the winner has usually been a younger, in their late teens to early 20s "hot" guy or girl, because they tend to have the biggest fanbases. I didn't get to hear the song, so I can't say if he went out with a bang or if the song really sucked. A few years ago PoS were in the same contest with Road Salt, and I believe they got a second chance with that song, but they didn't go all the way.

As for the new PoS album, I will say that his comments are making me excited, and after the interest has dropped over the last few years, he is saying the right things to get me hyped. I do miss some of the classic line-up though. The new guys are fine, but there was a certain "soul" to their music when they had some of the older members. Daniel's brother Kristoffer on bass, you had Johan on guitar, and then Fredrik on keyboards. I would love another album in the spirit of BE, TPE or RL, but I don't know if the band has it in them. It really needs to sound genuine rather than trying to emulate a formerly successful blueprint, and I hope they can pull it off.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 09, 2015, 05:30:23 AM
Has anybody seen the new video? The timing was a bit off, what with the Eurovision and all, but I actually really like the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGILlGzW1Jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGILlGzW1Jc)

I'm starting to really like Ragnar Zolberg. He's got a beautiful singing voice and he co-wrote that song together with Gildenlöw. If Gildenlöw for once let other people contribute to the song writing and actually write something that's more similar to their earlier stuff, I'll be a lot more excited than I ever was for the Road Salt albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 09, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
That's pretty! Not very original, but pretty!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on February 09, 2015, 09:12:14 AM
I'll believe that album news when I hear it.

Same here.  Daniel said in an interview a couple years ago that he doesn't want PoS to be prog metal anymore.  I find it curious that he would backtrack on that.  Perhaps the Road Salt albums didn't sell well?  As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Daniel using the prog metal banner only when it's beneficial for him.  For example, he has the band appear at ProgPower USA after saying in an interview he doesn't want the band to be prog metal anymore.  I feel like he needs to decide what he wants PoS to be.  Too much flip-flopping for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2015, 09:17:09 AM
I'll believe that album news when I hear it.

Same here.  Daniel said in an interview a couple years ago that he doesn't want PoS to be prog metal anymore.  I find it curious that he would backtrack on that.  Perhaps the Road Salt albums didn't sell well?  As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Daniel using the prog metal banner only when it's beneficial for him.  For example, he has the band appear at ProgPower USA after saying in an interview he doesn't want the band to be prog metal anymore.  I feel like he needs to decide what he wants PoS to be.  Too much flip-flopping for me.
I'm fairly sure he never said he didn't want the band to be prog metal. He definitely said that he doesn't like labels (as many MANY artists have also said) and that being labelled as prog metal has certian connotations that he doesn't think apply to POS at all.

And appearing at a festival doesn't suggest any flip-flopping at all, it's just a festival, a good chance to play music to a large audience.

Regarding new material, similarly I'll reserve judgement. But I don't see what him suggesting that it's feeling like early PoS has to do with the whole prog metal, as he's never thought of the band that way in the first place. "Prog metal" is a label that other people attached to the band.

I also get the impression that by "early POS" he's talking Entropia/Concrete Lake, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
I guess anyone can change their opinions. I make music myself, and while it is nowhere near the same level as Daniel makes music on, I can still relate to the mood and mindset changing after albums. After you finish a certain album you might want to go a different route and explore new ideas, and then you might want to return to something. Daniel is a very impulsive guy who does what he wants to do himself, but at least from my experiences he sticks to his guns. When he sets his mind on something, he follows through. Like when he put the embargo on touring in America because of his hate for Bush, but then when Obama was elected, Daniel didn't mind playing there again. If he says he will make another metal album PoS, I believe he will. If the album will be good or not, that is an entirely different question.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 10, 2015, 03:17:10 AM
I'm fairly sure he never said he didn't want the band to be prog metal. He definitely said that he doesn't like labels (as many MANY artists have also said) and that being labelled as prog metal has certian connotations that he doesn't think apply to POS at all.

And appearing at a festival doesn't suggest any flip-flopping at all, it's just a festival, a good chance to play music to a large audience.
Yeah, that's what I remember as well. Who cares what they call themselves? Good music is good music. Or, as the case may be with the Road Salts, average music. ;) At least in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 14, 2015, 09:20:47 AM
Perfect Element III. Do it Daniel you beautiful son of a bitch. Seriously, if we get another prog metal POS album I will fucking explode with joy. Those first four albums are incredible, BE and Scarsick being unbelievable letdowns after such a pedigree of excellence. I still love Road Salt, of course, but it's not even in the same galaxy.

I hope the time comes when we can write off 2003-2015 as an identity crisis for Daniel and get back to the good stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 14, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
I listened to BE the other day, and it is still their best album by far IMO. The first four are also really special. TPE part 3 would be interesting in theory, but I'm skeptical if the actual result would be good. Scarsick is a mixed bag at best, and generally considered their worst album by many. TPE part 3 could be great, but it could also be another Scarsick. I think it's similar to if DT would announce Metropolis Part 3. It would be exciting on paper, but in reality it would be hard to live up to the "original".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 14, 2015, 10:53:35 AM
I personally don't get the whole "godly first four albums" thing, as One Hour is easily my least favourite of theirs, and I rank Entropia fairly low as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 14, 2015, 11:06:59 AM
Entropia is great. One Hour is good but probably my least favorite of the original 5, still like it a lot though. TPE1 through BE are bloody untouchable and I will hear no word to the contrary. Scarsick is 70% good 30% the worst they've ever done. Road Salt 1 is mostly forgettable. Road Salt 2 is better but still not great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on February 14, 2015, 11:14:40 AM
I hope someday we get a remixed or remastered first two albums. I still can't listen to pretty much anything post-BE, and having those awesome albums in a better quality would be super sweet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on February 14, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
WTF Rich Entropia is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 14, 2015, 11:28:21 AM
Entropia would be my third favorite album of theirs after BE and TPE. One Hour is probably the weakest out of the first five, but it still has several gems like Handful of Nothing, New Years Eve, Home and Inside, and overall it flows pretty nicely.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 14, 2015, 03:29:41 PM
WTF Rich Entropia is awesome.
For sure, but so are all the rest. Very consistently excellent band!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 14, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
I'd also rank One Hour last. But everything up to Handful of Nothing is just as good as everything else they've done.

It says something about a band when they have an album with four amazing songs and I still rank that album last.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 14, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
Oh! I just remembered Shore Serenity! I've never ever heard anyone talk about it but I always found it to be an awesome, unsettling and musically crazy song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on February 14, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
One Hour is the last album of Pos I started to love. It sounded as if it was older than Entropia (which instead I loved at first listen), it was difficult to remember melodies because it's really homogeneous, less song oriented than Entropia, with shorter songs that flows really well into each other, which seemed less memorable alone. So I skipped it and tried TPE..
At the moment is my favourite Pos album. New Years' Eve and Black Hills are my favourites here, but almost everything is awesome. I've never liked too much Pilgrim and Inside Out is my second least favourite song (the central part is spectacular but the whole song doesn't convince me entirely). The rest is really flawless
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 14, 2015, 07:18:07 PM
Shore Serenity is one of my favorites on One Hour, it's just a really powerful song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 17, 2015, 10:37:04 PM
this one time during a day off at band camp, I went and stood by a concrete lake for over an hour, and...    :corn :hat  :eek  :hefdaddy  :coolio
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on February 18, 2015, 06:59:59 AM
You guys are all crazy. One Hour is their second best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2015, 07:21:55 AM
I love One Hour A LOT, but it's still my least favorite of the "classic 4".    It's still amazing, just not quite the level of amazing that the other three are. 

Remedy Lane is definitely my #1, but after that it gets tough.   The Perfect Element and Entropia are a dead heat...choosing between them would be like choosing between my children.    I love BE, but it's almost hard to rank along side the rest.   It's just so different that it's hard to compare it to anything.   

My list is probably

Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Entropia
BE
Scarsick
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
Road Salt 1

I still love them all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 18, 2015, 07:49:09 AM
I'd go:

BE
The Perfect Element
Entropia
Remedy Lane
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt Two
Scarsick
Road Salt One
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 18, 2015, 08:02:56 AM
Remedy Lane
BE
The Perfect Element
12:5
Entropia
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Scarsick
Falling Home
Road Salt Two
Road Salt One

Yeah, for me they really have their best years behind them. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on February 18, 2015, 08:22:36 AM
I don't like doing this:

Remedy Lane
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
The Perfect Element
BE
Entropia
Falling Home
Road Salt 2
Road Salt 1
Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on February 18, 2015, 08:36:50 AM
I have a hard time getting into PoS but really I've tried.  Someone recommend a good starting point.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2015, 08:44:01 AM
Most people tend to agree that Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the biggies. BE is awesome, but not a good starter record imo.

Heck, even though I love Remedy Lane best, for me that album took a few spins before I got it. Whereas TPE hit me immediately. Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on February 18, 2015, 08:51:38 AM
Prog Snob: I mainly agree with jammin. Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound. However, as a single song, I'd say Iter Impius is one of the most accesible songs that still showcases what makes the band so good - it was the song that got me into PoS.

Here's a link to that song. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsctoBwqFRQ)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 18, 2015, 08:57:25 AM
Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.
Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

Anyway, RANKING TIME WOO

1. Be
2. The Perfect Element
3. Road Salt Two
4. Remedy Lane
=. Road Salt One
6. Entropia
=. Scarsick
8. One Hour by the Concrete Lake

I haven't included 12:5 or Falling Home as they're almost entirely acoustic arrangements of other POS songs. If They're both great as well though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on February 18, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
Thanks guys. I'm going to check out Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element, maybe hit up YouTube to listen to them for a bit. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: finn the fisherman on February 18, 2015, 09:18:50 AM
I'll listen to any of their albums,as their all excellent,but with one exception,which is the awful Scarsick! I also think Gildenlow has rather been influenced lately by his adventures touring with prog rock supergroup Transatlantic,and a few years ago recording with fellow Swedes The Flower Kings.I suppose as he is the main man within POS,he does what he pleases!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 18, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
Ranking Time  :metal

1a. The Perfect Element
1b. Remedy Lane
2. Entropia
3a. Road Salt One
3b. Scarsick
4a. BE
4b. Road Salt Two
5. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on February 18, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
1. Remedy Land
2. Entropia
3. The Perfect Element
4. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt 1 / Road Salt 2
6. Be
7. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on February 18, 2015, 12:10:30 PM
1. TPE
2. RL
3. OHBTCL
4. BE/Entropia

The others aren't worth mentioning and I feel better pretending they don't exist at all, kind of like post-PL Queensryche.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on February 18, 2015, 12:26:06 PM
Okay. I gave Remedy Lane a listen to and I generally enjoyed it.  Maybe after a couple of more listens it'll be even better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on February 18, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.
Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

What that means, in my opinion, is that they exemplify the sound that had come to define PoS. BE is a lot more vocal-oriented and concept-y, Entropia is a lot more funky and avant-garde-ish, Scarsick is more straightforward and the Road Salts are obviously a completely different beast, but TPE and RL (and OHBTCL too, I suppose) really exemplify that sound that made PoS well known and helped them to critical acclaim, even though of course elements of that crop up all over their career.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 18, 2015, 05:01:16 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour

Scarsick
Road Salt Two

Road Salt One

SS and RS2 are basically on the same level, SS has higher highs and lower lows (ungodly low lows, dear god)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on February 18, 2015, 06:15:01 PM
1. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
2. Entropia
3. Remedy Lane
4. Be - Scarsick
6. The Perfect Element
7. Road Salt 1-2

I don't know why too many songs on TPE leave me indifferent, so I have to place it low.. however I like every album, even Road Salt
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 18, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
-----------------------
Road Salt One
Road Salt Two (yep)
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
-----------------------
BE
-----------------------

...


-----------------------


*sigh*


----------------------
That "thing" they call Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
I have an honest question that doesn't *have* to get P/R as long as we keep to "yes" or "no"....

Be honest...

The people that hate Scarsick.   Is it really the album you hate?  Or does America stick in your craw and you just hate the rest of the album because of it?

Scarsick is a mixed bag.   But I just have a hard time believing people could hate the entire thing unless it's out of some sort of political bias.  (I didn't say it was impossible...I just said I have a hard time believing it) 

Spitfall in itself is just amazing because I think it's incredible irony that the *entire rap community* just got completely owned by a white boy from The Netherlands. 

Flame the the Moth is equally amazing.    I get why people would not like Disco Queen...but I still think it's brilliant.    And the lyric sheet for Kingdom of Loss is amazing as well (with all the "tm's" by everything).   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
Scarsick
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Be
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Entropia
Road Salt 1
Road Salt 2

Yes, Scarsick is my fav.  It was my first POS album and helped me through some things at the time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 19, 2015, 02:20:28 AM
Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.
Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

What that means, in my opinion, is that they exemplify the sound that had come to define PoS. BE is a lot more vocal-oriented and concept-y, Entropia is a lot more funky and avant-garde-ish, Scarsick is more straightforward and the Road Salts are obviously a completely different beast, but TPE and RL (and OHBTCL too, I suppose) really exemplify that sound that made PoS well known and helped them to critical acclaim, even though of course elements of that crop up all over their career.
Interesting. I think, as you say, it's more about the sound of the band AT THE TIME that they became known and acclaimed. So I guess I can understand why you and others might see it as fairly definitive.

For me, though, the band's sound as evolved with each album. I don't even think TPE and RL are that similar, not much more so than those and any other POS album. There is something unique about their music, but I think that has been around through all their albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on February 19, 2015, 02:28:21 AM
Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element are the best examples of the POS sound.
Not sure what this means, other than those being the most popular "classic" albums amongst the fanbase.

What that means, in my opinion, is that they exemplify the sound that had come to define PoS. BE is a lot more vocal-oriented and concept-y, Entropia is a lot more funky and avant-garde-ish, Scarsick is more straightforward and the Road Salts are obviously a completely different beast, but TPE and RL (and OHBTCL too, I suppose) really exemplify that sound that made PoS well known and helped them to critical acclaim, even though of course elements of that crop up all over their career.
Interesting. I think, as you say, it's more about the sound of the band AT THE TIME that they became known and acclaimed. So I guess I can understand why you and others might see it as fairly definitive.

For me, though, the band's sound as evolved with each album. I don't even think TPE and RL are that similar, not much more so than those and any other POS album. There is something unique about their music, but I think that has been around through all their albums.

Yeah, maybe the "defining PoS sound" isn't the best wording - I just meant the sound that I think of when I think PoS.

Agree heavily that there is something unique about their music that is present on all of their albums. Even Scarsick, where I can take or leave about half the album still is unmistakebly PoS, just not executed as well as on most other albums (even though tracks like Enter Rain are fantastic).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 19, 2015, 09:01:20 AM
i will be honest in saying that Spitfall is one of the worst songs I've ever heard
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 19, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
I think Scarsick has its shining moments. The chorus of the title track is pretty neat (though some of the rapping parts are kinda meh), America is a bit of a personal favorite (it's just so quirky and fun), Kingdom of Loss and Mrs Modern Mary are both pretty solid, and the two last songs, Flame to the Moth and Enter Rain, I would say are two of the best PoS songs in the last decade.

With that said, what drags the album down for me is pretty much the rest. Cribcaged feels like a C-version of much better songs on Remedy Lane/TPE (like This Heart of Mine or Song For the Innocent), and Spitfall is just pretty darn meh. The new Falling Home version was slightly cooler, but overall it's still kinda bland. Disco Queen is just kinda baffling. It's probably the song that causes the biggest split among the fans (some love it, some hate it). I think it's OKAY, but it goes on for 8 ½ minutes, which feels like 45 minutes. It just drags on. Idiocracy is really the only one I don't remember too much about. Maybe I should listen to the album again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 19, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
I have an honest question that doesn't *have* to get P/R as long as we keep to "yes" or "no"....

Be honest...

The people that hate Scarsick.   Is it really the album you hate?  Or does America stick in your craw and you just hate the rest of the album because of it?

Scarsick is a mixed bag.   But I just have a hard time believing people could hate the entire thing unless it's out of some sort of political bias.  (I didn't say it was impossible...I just said I have a hard time believing it) 

Spitfall in itself is just amazing because I think it's incredible irony that the *entire rap community* just got completely owned by a white boy from The Netherlands. 

Flame the the Moth is equally amazing.    I get why people would not like Disco Queen...but I still think it's brilliant.    And the lyric sheet for Kingdom of Loss is amazing as well (with all the "tm's" by everything).
Honestly, I would say that I am someone who would largely agree with a lot of the message of Scarsick, BUT the delivery of said message just rubs me the wrong way. Daniel just comes off like a smug douchebag. Subtlety can go a long way in delivering a message and Scarsick is like the exact opposite of subtle. Scarsick is like tying a hammer to your dick and wapping it in the face of your audience. Yet, the political aspect of the album isn't even that big of an issue for me. The larger issue is that the music is just not that great overall. 'Mixed bag' is a perfect way to describe the album. Also,  I really, really do not like Daniel's 'rapping' on the album.

Despite those problems, I'd say Scarsick still isn't that bad. It's got some pretty good songs. I really like the title-track, Mrs. Modern Mother Mary, Flame to the Moth, and Enter Rain. Disco Queen would be one of the most amazing songs ever created.... if it was just a bit shorter. I don't think it's worth being over 8 minutes long. Kingdom of Loss is just... there. I never remember enough of it after it's over to criticize. The only thing I remember is the vague feeling of disappointment that it's a 'sequel' to King of Loss.' Spitfall, Cribcaged, America and Idiocracy I could happily go without ever hearing again.

That's about half the album I like so not completely worthless but definitely not as consistent as RL, TPE, RS2 or Entropia. I probably like it more than BE and maybe even RS1. It doesn't deserve all of the crap it gets but I can understand why people wouldn't like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 19, 2015, 08:42:18 PM
I like Scarsick, but it hasn't stuck with me a bunch. I can't remember the last time I listened to it. I love Disco Queen. Several tracks on there I could do without, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 20, 2015, 02:57:17 AM
I dont think Scarsick is a bad album, but it has many "meh"-songs. And Spitfall is awful. Sorry, but I really think it is. Every version of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 20, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
I like Spitfall. The more I think about it, I like the first half of the album a lot, but I feel like it loses momentum after Disco Queen. I don't hate any of it, but I get bored.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 20, 2015, 09:58:58 PM
I really like Cribcaged and Kingdom of Loss, and Disco Queen, Idiocracy, Flame to the Moth, and Enter Rain are also pretty good. Scarsick is meh, America and MMMM are both bad, and Spitfall is an atrocity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 20, 2015, 11:44:34 PM
I am shocked by the backlash for Spitfall.   Are none of you rap fans at all?    I love rap when it's done well, and I guess the fact that it was done SO well by someone outside the norm just made it more special.  (for me, anyway)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 21, 2015, 12:15:47 AM
I think Daniel's rapping is awful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 21, 2015, 02:10:42 AM
I like rap and listen to plenty of hip-hop, and I don't have a problem with it in general. But I always thought rapping in metal sounded wrong. Linkin Park is the one exception, because they based their sound on the idea of having two singers, with one rapping and the other one doing more typical metal singing, but with PoS their transition into rap elements for a few years just felt kinda off. It doesn't bother me much on BE, and in fact I think it's used perfectly on BE, but on Scarsick it feels more "in your face".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 21, 2015, 04:51:35 PM
Well yeah, I guess that's the point. His rapping isn't spectacular but it never bothered me, and I think Spitfall is a good sort of parody.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on February 21, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
rap is one of my least favorite genres solely on the basis that it takes the focus off the music and puts it on the vocalist, but the vocalist doesn't even sing

i crave melody

or interesting musical rhythms like in djenty stuff, vocal rhythm can be nice but it's not what I come for

and lyrics one of the things I care least about in any song

I dunno the lyrics to most of my favorite songs tbh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 22, 2015, 06:01:27 PM
Rap is a style, not a Genre. That Genre is known as Hip-Hop.

I don't mind when people Rap in metal songs, it shows the artist loves different styles.

Hacktavist uses Rap with Djent.

I enjoy Scarsick because of the message, and Style Daniel chose to use to present it, If you really listen to Hip-Hop, you'll understand that It's poetry in your face.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 22, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
The more I think about it, I like the first half of the album a lot, but I feel like it loses momentum after Disco Queen. I don't hate any of it, but I get bored.

I agree with this.  I like Scarsick more than the Road Salts, but I think that is more my preference for harder music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on February 22, 2015, 11:23:34 PM
I would have to think about which I prefer. I haven't listened to the second Road Salt in forever because I lost it :(... but I love the first one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 23, 2015, 12:09:16 AM
Road Salt is an amazing album. It makes me laugh how people on a prog board, aren't more open with bands doing different things with their music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 23, 2015, 12:12:03 AM
Yeah, a band doing something different really is not a problem for me, AT ALL. It all comes down to quality. You can do something different and do it well, or you can do something different and do it pretty average. The whole 70's retro prog trend is not really my thing, and it rubs me the wrong way when new bands go back to a 40 year old sound. Still, I thought RS2 was pretty good, and better than the two albums that preceded it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 23, 2015, 12:38:39 AM
Why is that though?  If a person is really about music, they'd understand.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 23, 2015, 02:31:02 AM
Road Salt is an amazing album. It makes me laugh how people on a prog board, aren't more open with bands doing different things with their music.
Really now, must this argument come up in every thread? If you like PoS to begin with, you are MORE than used to change and them trying different styles. Couldn't it just be the fact that some people don't feel the new songs are of the same standard as they used to? Or is that too big a stretch?

I mean, I love Disco Queen and Sleeping Under The Stars. Both are brilliant parody works that's within a style I normally never listen too. But in the case of Spitfall, I think it fails because I feel that Daniel is just not a very good rapper. Also, the song is kinda too long for it's own good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on February 23, 2015, 02:33:49 AM
1. We are not on a prog board, we're on a DT board. Not all members here listen to prog.

2. Just because a band does different things with their music doesn't make it automatically great. It's the end result that counts.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 23, 2015, 02:36:08 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on February 23, 2015, 03:34:12 AM
As usual it comes down to the whole "art is subjective, everyone has their own tastes" thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 23, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
That, and direction =/= quality. I wouldn't mind Pain of Salvation doing a reggae album, if they made an album that turned out to be just brilliant. I don't think direction matters, at least not to me. I know some people prefer their music to be a certain way, and that's fine too. But just as an example, one of my favorite bands is Ulver. They started their career as a Black Metal band, but over the years they have made albums that are pure electronic and pure folk music. Far from where they started. Some of these albums are fantastic, some of them are not AS good. When you change things up as a band, you can't always hit every ball a home run.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on March 06, 2015, 07:32:20 AM
https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/fl/Pain-Of-Salvation-Interview.htm (https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/fl/Pain-Of-Salvation-Interview.htm)

Interesting new interview. It was mainly these two points I found interesting:

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What inspired you to go acoustic on Falling Home?
We had an offer from a German organizer who asked us if we would be interested in doing an acoustic gig, much like we did back when we recorded 12:5. We are big suckers for variation and challenges so we didn’t have to think twice. We figured that we should record it too, again like with 12:5. Unfortunately (or fortunately rather, since the entire Falling Home album as we know it now spawned from that initial failure) something went wrong with the syncing of the audio cards, and one of the first things we learned when walking off stage after the gig was that half the channels were empty files. I still remember that feeling.

Anyway, after that frustration (and urge to lie down and die) subsided ever so slightly, we realised we couldn’t let go of the album. See, we had pictured it in our heads, and once we had done that, it had taken its place in the good ol’ Plato plane of ideas and was somehow already real to us. Once we started to record it in studio, it transformed and mutated into the very special album we now see.

Damn, that must have sucked! I remember that German acoustic show and I think I even remember that they intended to record that show.

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What's the timetable for the next "regular" Pain of Salvation studio album?
Me and Ragnar are writing new music together right now, and it’s seeing the band go back to the roots of the earlier albums. The plan is to go into Jens Bogren’s studio and record it in August or September – but right now we are ahead of that schedule.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! :eek
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on March 06, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
Dayum, Bogren seems to be producing so much exciting stuff (Amorphis, POS, presumably the next Haken).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 06, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/fl/Pain-Of-Salvation-Interview.htm (https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/fl/Pain-Of-Salvation-Interview.htm)

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What's the timetable for the next "regular" Pain of Salvation studio album?
Me and Ragnar are writing new music together right now, and it’s seeing the band go back to the roots of the earlier albums. The plan is to go into Jens Bogren’s studio and record it in August or September – but right now we are ahead of that schedule.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! :eek

Good
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 07, 2015, 12:33:29 AM
Jens Bogren is an awesome mixer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on March 07, 2015, 12:55:30 PM
I often hear new modern metal records,  and it's always 'is this Bogren?' and then I check, and every time it indeed is.

He has a signature crunchy sound, and I like it but it's a bit too clean for me in the end.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on March 10, 2015, 08:16:24 AM
Colour me excited. I'm not a person that complains about audio quality all that much, but most of the stuff that Borgren mixes has appealed to me musically as well. I know, I know, he probably doesn't have much to do with the actual song, but it is a correlation that I have observed, so I hope that I will continue to observe it here.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 14, 2015, 10:09:26 PM
POS is writing music that sounds like the older stuff, and it's being mixed by Jens Bogren. There may be hope left for the world.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: yorost on June 26, 2015, 10:17:59 AM
Heh, funny I was trying to recall the name of this band much of this morning (wanted to listen to that orange covered album again :lol ), and they used to be one of my favorites. Curious to hear the latest news, but they've fallen so far off the map for me I have no faith in them recapturing their past.  Their first four albums are fantastic, then BE is a mixed bag before they just plummet.

Remedy Lane
One Hour

Perfect Element
Entropia

BE (maybe even near the top when I haven't heard it in year, though, but I quickly find the talking annoying if I listen to it more than once in a great while)

Road Salts

Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2015, 10:36:27 AM
I have no idea what PoS are up to now, but they're playing in Moscow in October, so what the hell, I'm going.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on June 26, 2015, 04:13:23 PM
So...I really like A Trace Of Blood, but I just can't seem to get into any of their other music. Does anyone have any recommendations for me?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on June 26, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
What have you tried out so far?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on June 26, 2015, 05:20:54 PM
Reconciliation
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on June 26, 2015, 05:33:03 PM
What have you tried out so far?
I can't think of any specific songs, other than Waking Every God.  I've mostly just listened to snippets of a few select songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 26, 2015, 05:35:22 PM
That's likely where your problem is stemming from, I would posit. POS's music doesn't really lend itself to that kind of listening. If you liked A Trace of Blood, I'd recommend checking out the Remedy Lane album, and see how that works for you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on June 26, 2015, 06:53:42 PM
What have you tried out so far?
I can't think of any specific songs, other than Waking Every God.  I've mostly just listened to snippets of a few select songs.

Wow.  Talk about a backwards lottery.   Of the 48 songs from their first 4 albums...you managed to find one of the 1 or 2 "meh" tracks amongst all the awesomeness.

Seriously, you could pick almost any other song from Remedy Lane, and do SO MUCH better than Waking Every God.

Ending Theme
A Trace of Blood
Undertow
Rope Ends
Chain Sling
Beyond the Pale

And that's just the :panicattack: songs from Remedy Lane alone...not to mention the others.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Waking Every God is one of my fav POS songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2015, 09:54:14 PM
Waking Every God is one of my fav POS songs.


It's ok I suppose....but I prefer the title track.   ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on June 28, 2015, 10:03:36 PM
songs better than Waking Every God on Remedy Lane:
Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
A Trace of Blood
This Heart of Mine
Undertow
Rope Ends
Chain Sling
Second Love
Beyond The Pale

that's most of 'em
still a good song though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 28, 2015, 10:31:26 PM
songs better than Waking Every God on Remedy Lane:
Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
A Trace of Blood
This Heart of Mine
Undertow
Rope Ends
Chain Sling
Second Love
Beyond The Pale

that's most of 'em
still a good song though

All of this, plus Dryad of the Woods for me too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2015, 06:28:30 AM
Jesus, what's everyone's beef with it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on June 29, 2015, 06:35:38 AM
Waking Every God is amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 29, 2015, 06:43:59 AM
I think it's a good song, but almost all other songs are just awesome. Honestly, the only song from Remedy Lane I can't get into is Fandango.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2015, 07:06:34 AM
I love Fandango. Probably one of my favourites on the album :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 29, 2015, 07:24:32 AM
Waking Every God is one of my favorites on Remedy Lane, but all in all I'm not overly sold on the album as a whole. It's a great album, but it has nothing on BE, The Perfect Element or Entropia for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: yorost on June 29, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
Waking Every God is amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on June 29, 2015, 11:15:20 AM
Jesus, what's everyone's beef with it?

No beef...it's just outshined drastically by all the rest of the awesomeness.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
Waking Every God is amazing.

Thank you, I'll calm down now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on June 30, 2015, 09:03:14 AM
I still don't have a favorite track from Remedy Lane, every time I put it on I listen start to finish and keep changing my mind on which is my favorite track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on June 30, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
A Trace Of Blood is my favourite, followed by Second Love.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 30, 2015, 11:02:45 AM
Beyond the Pale is my favourite, followed by Second Love.

FTFM
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
I feel stupid for asking...Does anyone know how to access the Easter Eggs on the 'BE' dvd? If so, just send a PM.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
No no, post it here, I'd like to know too.  :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on October 10, 2015, 08:04:30 AM
Going to their Moscow gig in a few hours, will let you guys know the setlist and how it went. I'm not expecting much, but since they seem to be playing a lot of Remedy Lane (my favourite by them), I guess I'll have a good time anyway singing along to the songs. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on October 10, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
Alright, so, probably due to me having low expectations, I was actually pleasantly surprised of how awesome the gig was. It was on of those gigs that weren't ear-splittingly loud (I ended up not using my earplugs at all) and I could hear everything clear — for comparison, Anathema played at this venue 9 days ago and without earplugs you were pretty much fucked up — and Daniel's voice is much better than I thought it would be, and his jokes were actually quite funny too. The setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2015/volta-club-moscow-russia-53f403b1.html) was pretty good, though I wish there would be less RS2 songs — seems like Conditioned and The Deeper Cut made a debut this year, but I would've rather heard Falling / The Perfect Element instead of those two. Or Undertow. Or Second Love. Or pretty much anything from TPE1 / RL / Be. :biggrin: And Daniel still regards RS2 as "the new album". He didn't say anything about future plans and all.

But yeah, the show was great. The highlights for me were pretty much all songs at the end of main set: 1979, Ashes, Rope Ends and Beyond the Pale were all amazing. However, this encore must be one of the most non-satisfying ones PoS have ever played: I mean, I love Dryad of the Woods as much as you guys do, but it's not a great encore material, and The Physics of Gridlock... I dunno, this song just doesn't work as the closer. Maybe that's because I just don't like it, but with all the epic songs the band got to close the shows, this clearly isn't the best pick. People were just standing there, staring at the scene and doing nothing. So yeah, encore kinda sucked, but the main set was great.

The Theater Equation t-shirt attracts some attention though! Got two people asking me about that show after the gig. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on October 10, 2015, 03:29:57 PM
literally zero TPE songs is the biggest tragedy of that setlist tbh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on October 10, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
literally zero TPE songs is the biggest tragedy of that setlist tbh

What about Ashes? It was arguably the best song of the evening for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on October 10, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
oops I somehow didn't see that  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 10, 2015, 03:53:08 PM
Beyond the Pale seems like the it'd be the ideal closer in that set list. In any set list, really...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on October 10, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
Beyond the Pale seems like the it'd be the ideal closer in that set list. In any set list, really...

Yeah, so much this. It was a bloody amazing closer for a main set, then they went on with this encore.

I wish they'd played Falling / TPE for the main set closer, and then Dryad and Beyond the Pale for the encore. This would've been so much better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 10, 2015, 04:41:20 PM
Pretty cool setlist even though Remedy Lane is not a top3 PoS album, I'd still walk out happy with that set.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 16, 2015, 03:37:27 AM
From their Facebook-page:

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Additionally, following-up on their latest “Road Salt” releases, Pain of Salvation have now started to work on material for a next studio album effort, which will be a concept album that goes back to the band’s harder and heavier roots of the early 2000’s. Pain of Salvation’s Daniel Gildenlöw has checked in with a brief status report on the band’s current activities as follows:

“We have a few gigs on the horizon, but in all honesty, our true focus is on the next studio album right now. Ragnar and I truly enjoy writing music together, and have that sort of completing-each-other’s-sentences dynamics to our writing that I have only found in very few people over the years. We have very creative writing sessions, and we can’t wait for the fans to hear the new material! You’ll see a hungry and strong Pain of Salvation, confidently returning to a harder and heavier form, musically. Still, as always, without losing the intimacy and originality that has been the trademark of the band ever since the first album. Anyone who has witnessed on stage what today’s Pain of Salvation are capable of, will understand how much I am looking forward to show them what we can do in a studio.”

MY BODY IS READY.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 16, 2015, 03:49:37 AM
After another long wait I'm slightly excited, 'cause:

"concept album" okay  :metal
"harder and heavier" OKAY  :metal :metal :metal

Writing with Ragnar sounds interesting, in the past most of the songs were solely written by DG.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 16, 2015, 03:51:37 AM
I remember Daniel saying a few months ago that he had been revisiting Entropia and The Perfect Element and enjoying them more than in years, and that the new material would channel the more "progressive metal" side of the band. If it's true, then this might be their best album since BE. (I still liked RS2 quite a bit, but was underwhelmed by RS1 and Scarsick)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 16, 2015, 04:00:35 AM
If it means a return to the Remedy Lane and TPE type of style, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2015, 05:45:41 AM
So unreal that this is happening, I'm totally ready.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 16, 2015, 05:49:04 AM
´bout fucking time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on October 17, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
HYPE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 17, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
I'm ready.

I only listen up to and including Be, so it will be nice to have another album for the collection
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bacong on January 27, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
He's gotten sick and he's therefore unable to perform.
Apparently, I've heard this from a very well-informed friend but take it with a grain of salt as I am still underslept and confused ;D, their bus driver also bailed on them, so now the bassist of Imminent Sonic Destruction drives them around. Holy shit can you have any more bad luck in one tour.

Can verify, I was on this tour with ISD. lel
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 27, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
Any new updates?  I actually really liked Falling Home.  He made some of the songs that I was never really too big of a fan of better.  So much so that I can appreciate the originals now too.

A new album in the vein of TPE or Remedy Lane is more than welcome though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Damn, saw the thread bumped and got excited, but no updates. :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on January 27, 2016, 09:21:16 PM
PoS has posted several photos on Facebook from the recording studio about a week ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2016, 09:26:13 PM
PoS has posted several photos on Facebook from the recording studio about a week ago.

Good enough.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 22, 2016, 08:42:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Painofsalvation/posts/10154971013369657

In the Passing Light of Day

"There is some interesting news coming up in the next few days. I'm not the one to shower our fans with news about every little thing we do, since I don't... well, since I simply don't enjoy that social direction. So, in the last months we have simply worked on the new album, which is turning out absolutely awesome! The album title (which I know you have been waiting for and speculated about) is:

In the Passing Light of Day

However, we have also prepared another little surprise release for you all, scheduled for June. I can't wait to see how this will be received, but I have a feeling it will be very appreciated. 😀

Anyway, that about that for now, keep your eyes and ears open and you'll get more intel on the surprise release and the new album in the next coming days.

Wet kisses!

/Daniel"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on April 22, 2016, 08:44:30 AM
whoa, sweet.

hope it's good :V
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on April 22, 2016, 08:44:39 AM
Huh, I'm excited. Love the album title.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 22, 2016, 08:54:39 AM
Sounds like finally something is happening, it's about time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on April 22, 2016, 09:39:05 AM
I wonder what the special other release is. Possibly some sort of re-release? Or a live recording or some kind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Enigmachine on April 22, 2016, 10:44:07 AM
Goddamnit, I've been checking the FB page each day and every day then when there's news, it just happens to be the day when I stop checking. :lol

Really excited for the album, especially as it's the first one in 5 years. Curious about the other release, maybe that's why they spent so long in the studio?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on April 22, 2016, 11:00:53 AM
I wonder what the special other release is. Possibly some sort of re-release? Or a live recording or some kind.
Another acoustic live ep? :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on April 22, 2016, 02:16:53 PM
I wonder what the special other release is. Possibly some sort of re-release? Or a live recording or some kind.
Another acoustic live ep? :D

I hope not. LOL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2016, 03:02:31 PM
Considering Daniel wrote last year that the new album would be closer to The Perfect Element/Remedy Lane/Entropia, this album could be a sleeper hit. I liked RS2 more than most, but I'm not really expecting much from a PoS album at the moment (other than being good), so if this album comes out and is really great, I think the time is ripe for PoS to return to form.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2016, 04:35:59 PM
Anxiously awaiting this one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on April 23, 2016, 05:01:20 AM
The 'another little surprise' would be this?
https://www.recordshopx.com/artist/pain_of_salvation/remedy_lane_relived/#461831
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Enigmachine on April 23, 2016, 05:42:21 AM
The 'another little surprise' would be this?
https://www.recordshopx.com/artist/pain_of_salvation/remedy_lane_relived/#461831

Interesting decision to remix and do a live album of Remedy Lane. I'm not personally interested in that though. I'd be interested in a live DVD.

The album cover on the Re-Lived version sucks. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 24, 2016, 04:46:40 PM
The 'another little surprise' would be this?
https://www.recordshopx.com/artist/pain_of_salvation/remedy_lane_relived/#461831

Interesting decision to remix and do a live album of Remedy Lane. I'm not personally interested in that though. I'd be interested in a live DVD.

The album cover on the Re-Lived version sucks. :lol

Haha, yeah, top notch graphic design there. I'm sure it was one of those impossible band requests designers hate. :rollin

I'd buy the vinyl if they did a great mix of the show. I find live records from bands with limited budgets tend to sound awful.

Also, I see they avoided "Thorn Clown." Just because it's a bonus track? I assumed from its placement after "This Heart of Mine (I Pledge)" it was story/narrative-relevant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2016, 05:11:08 PM
Oh I'm totally buying that, providing it's just a remix (Jens is awesome) and not a re-recording.

The live version? Meh. Still not a huge fan of the current band line up. Still hoping against hope that one day Johan, Johan, Frederick, and Kristopher come back. :( That was such a magic line up. Now it's just Daniel and a bunch of talented but unimportant hipsters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
I'm buying it too.  Sucks they left off Clown.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on April 25, 2016, 10:35:30 AM
Well, Remedy Lane has only been played in full twice, and I was there for one of them, so I've got a 50/50 shot!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Enigmachine on April 28, 2016, 09:32:50 AM
From PoS FB. Most of it about the RL re-release and one paragraph about ItPLoD.

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+++ PLEASE SPREAD THE NEWS +++

CENTURY-MEDIA PRESS RELEASE 2016-04-28

Pain of Salvation to release “Remedy Lane Re:visited (Re:mixed & Re:lived)”! New studio album update and first details revealed!

Swedish progressive rock/metal innovators Pain of Salvation have announced a very special reissue version of their classic 2002 album “Remedy Lane” entitled “Remedy Lane Re:visited (Re:mixed & Re:lived)” for July 1st, 2016 via InsideOutMusic.
With this release, Pain of Salvation re-visit their ground-breaking and genre-bending “Remedy Lane” album by teaming up with old companion and mixing engineer wizard Jens Bogren at Fascination Street Studios (Opeth, Symphony X, Devin Townsend, Haken, etc.) for a new sonic take on the original recordings as well as the intense full-album live performance from ProgPower USA Festival from 2014.

Both these “Remedy Lane” recordings will be made available either together as 2CD Digipak format dubbed “Remedy Lane Re:visited (Re:mixed & Re:lived)” with a total playing time of 142 minutes or individually as Gatefold 2LP (+ Its corresponding album as bonus CD) or Digital Download versions, respectively called “Remedy Lane Re:mixed” (Playing time: 68 min.) and “Remedy Lane Re:lived” (Playing time: 74 min). The releases will come with revised artwork, expanded booklet design and extensive liner-notes by Daniel Gildenlöw.

Pain of Salvation’s Daniel Gildenlöw commented as follows about the re-mix project:
“Jens Bogren, aka Fascination Street Studios, approached us a few years after the release of “Remedy Lane“, saying he was a fan of the band and kindly offered his services. He was later involved in “BE” and “Scarsick“, but always in the periphery, since we were taking new directions in our sound and production by then. His true strengths lay in that impressive wall-of-sound type production that we had been aiming for with “The Perfect Element“ and “Remedy Lane“, and I always wondered how those albums would have sounded in the care of his skillful hands. Maybe it was time to find out?“

More details about pre-order start for this release (and its various vinyl options) will be available in the coming weeks.

In the meantime, we can also bring you the great news that Pain of Salvation are currently working on a new studio album release together with acclaimed producer Daniel Bergstrand (In Flames, Meshuggah, Strapping Young Lad, etc.) at Dug-Out Productions in Sweden.

The album will be entitled “In The Passing Light Of Day” and is expected to be released later in the year via longtime label-partner InsideOutMusic.

Daniel Gildenlöw checked in with the following status report:
“For those who don’t already know, we are currently deep into recording the new Pain of Salvation album “In the Passing Light of Day” with brilliant producer Daniel Bergstrand. This cooperation feels like a match made in heaven (or rather some other cool place that I actually believe in), and he was as thrilled to be working with us as we with him. The album will see us go back to our heavy roots again, with a vengeance, and we all feel that we are writing a super strong new chapter in the history of the band. Just wait and you’ll see. Damn, we just want everyone to hear this stuff already! :)”
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Post by: Crow on April 28, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
new metal PoS = i'm actually pretty hyped
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Post by: Mebert78 on April 28, 2016, 10:17:48 AM
I'm happy to hear they're revisiting their heavier roots, but I'll need to hear it before getting too excited.  It's an entirely different band from those early days, so it'll be interesting to see if they can capture the magic that existed on those early discs.  Fingers crossed! 
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Post by: Zantera on April 28, 2016, 10:52:55 AM
Metal PoS could be TPE/Entropia or it could be Scarsick, so I won't get my hopes up, but it does sound really interesting and I think it could be a big surprise given the low bar of expectations. Remedy Lane as far as I'm concerned is their 4th best album and new versions of old albums are never great (they can be OK, but never better than the original) so I don't really care much about that announcement. I have the original Remedy Lane on CD and vinyl, so this is not something I'll be getting.
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Post by: Evermind on April 28, 2016, 11:07:07 AM
I have the original Remedy Lane but I'm still probably going to buy this one too. Love that album.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on April 28, 2016, 12:44:15 PM
I'm not interested in the remix. The original sounds fine to my ears and I never thought that Remedy Lane should be a wall-of-sound album.

The live concert is more interesting for me, but if they play the album note for note I don't need it either (but will probably get it nonetheless).

Metal PoS doesn't get me quite excited at this point. Scarsick was metal also, and while I quite like it, it's nothing I want them to revisit.
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Post by: wolfking on April 28, 2016, 02:06:44 PM
I'm actually really interested in the remix and will be buying it.
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Post by: Enigmachine on April 28, 2016, 02:23:03 PM
I'm not interested in the remix. The original sounds fine to my ears and I never thought that Remedy Lane should be a wall-of-sound album.

Yeah, pretty much. If any PoS album should be remixed, it should be 'One Hour By The Concrete Lake'.
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Post by: Crow on April 28, 2016, 02:40:10 PM
+1 to that, only album that suffers production wise imo
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Post by: Elite on April 28, 2016, 02:46:04 PM
Metal PoS could be TPE/Entropia or it could be Scarsick, so I won't get my hopes up, but it does sound really interesting and I think it could be a big surprise given the low bar of expectations. Remedy Lane as far as I'm concerned is their 4th best album and new versions of old albums are never great (they can be OK, but never better than the original) so I don't really care much about that announcement. I have the original Remedy Lane on CD and vinyl, so this is not something I'll be getting.

All of this. If any album had have a remix, it would be OHBTCL. Both Handful of Nothing and New Year's Eve on the live DVD 'Ending Themes' blow the studio versions away.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on April 28, 2016, 02:55:11 PM
I think live CD could be interesting, I saw audience footage on Youtube, their guitarist is singing higher parts instead of Daniel. He sang last part of Undertow perfectly.
EDIT: he was definitely better on ProgPower Europe :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on April 28, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
I saw them at ProgPower Europe. Twice.
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Post by: wolfking on April 28, 2016, 06:42:16 PM
I don't even know who's in the band now.  Shows how out of touch I've been with them.  :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
I don't even know who's in the band now.  Shows how out of touch I've been with them.  :lol

No idea who's on bass or keyboards (maybe some guy named Perth or Melbourne?) but they have a french drummer and their new guitarist is named Ragnarok Zoidberg or something.
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Post by: Evermind on April 28, 2016, 08:55:40 PM
I don't even know who's in the band now.  Shows how out of touch I've been with them.  :lol

Ragnar.

That's all I've got. :lol
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Post by: Kwyjibo on April 28, 2016, 11:18:26 PM
I don't even know who's in the band now.  Shows how out of touch I've been with them.  :lol

Sad but true, although I really like the Road Salt records, it's been too long between anything happening and I lost track (and a little interest). Hopefully they can drag me in again.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on April 28, 2016, 11:27:45 PM
their guitarist is singing higher parts instead of Daniel.

Hopefully Daniel didn't lose his range.
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Post by: Lynxo on April 29, 2016, 02:04:05 AM
their guitarist is singing higher parts instead of Daniel.

Hopefully Daniel didn't lose his range.
Yeah, I hope so as well. But on the other hand, Ragnar is an amazing vocalist and guitarist and it was so interesting to hear someone else singing those parts. Kind of how it was hearing Johan singing some verses of Chain Sling on 12:5.
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Post by: Zydar on April 29, 2016, 03:16:46 AM
Current members:

Daniel Gildenlöw - lead vocals, guitar, lute, mandolin (1984−present), bass (2006-2007), keys (1990-1996)
Gustaf Hielm - bass guitar, double bass, vocals (1992–1994, 2011–present)
Léo Margarit - drums, vocals, percussion, mandolin (2007−present)
Daniel "D2" Karlsson - keyboards, percussion, backing vocals (2011–present), bass guitar (2011 touring)
Ragnar Zolberg - guitar, vocals, mandolin (2011–2013, 2013–present)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on April 29, 2016, 03:45:19 AM
Danny and Friends
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Post by: Zantera on April 29, 2016, 03:57:54 AM
Danny and Friends

That's really all PoS ever was IMO. I miss Fredrik and Johan (maybe Kristoffer too) more for nostalgic reasons and for their contributions in a live setting I think. But looking back, even the earlier albums were 99% written by Daniel just like they are today. I don't think PoS declining has so much to do with the change in members as it has with Daniel just going down a road that people weren't so excited about. If they had kept making albums in the spirit of TPE/RL, I think they could have put out a few more great ones on par with the classics.

The new members are fine, it just feels lame like with all situations when 90% of the band is gone, even if the most important member is still there. But I mean it's almost the same with Opeth at this point. But Mikael is still there and he's still the main writer.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 29, 2016, 04:10:18 AM
Jeesh, I'm getting old. I remember that the frenchman took over drumming, and that was when my interest in PoS had been diminishing for a couple of years, and after I'd seen them live. So that's nearly 10 years ago  :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 29, 2016, 05:10:07 AM
^^^ Exactly! Sort of lost interest in them entirely. But I'll check it out when it lands...
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2016, 10:50:40 AM
Danny and Friends

That's really all PoS ever was IMO. I miss Fredrik and Johan (maybe Kristoffer too) more for nostalgic reasons and for their contributions in a live setting I think. But looking back, even the earlier albums were 99% written by Daniel just like they are today. I don't think PoS declining has so much to do with the change in members as it has with Daniel just going down a road that people weren't so excited about. If they had kept making albums in the spirit of TPE/RL, I think they could have put out a few more great ones on par with the classics.

The new members are fine, it just feels lame like with all situations when 90% of the band is gone, even if the most important member is still there. But I mean it's almost the same with Opeth at this point. But Mikael is still there and he's still the main writer.

But that's just not true. Yes, Daniel wrote most of the albums, but Frederick and Kristoffer had pretty pivotal roles. There's a reason the bass and keyboards aren't doing anything interesting once Daniel took over 100% of the writing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2016, 07:27:30 AM
Remix of Rope Ends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTMI_jc-NA

Lots more prominent keyboards, does definitely sound different, more layers, but I don't know if it makes it any better.  It's hard when you toy with such a brilliant perfect album in the first place.
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Post by: abydos on June 03, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Sounds like they cranked up the loudness. Not a fan.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 03, 2016, 07:28:27 PM
I only listened on an iPad, but it was good. Drums are definitely sample replaced differently and the whole thing is waaaaay clearer than the original mix.

Kinda hope they remix The Perfect Element.
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Post by: Adami on June 03, 2016, 08:30:55 PM
Sounds like they cranked up the loudness. Not a fan.

That's pretty simplistic. They did a full on remix, every single instrument is very much different sounding.

It's very good......technically. But PoS is one of the bands that's all about the ambiance, and this loses a whole lot of that.
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Post by: Hanz Gruber on June 06, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
Sounds like they cranked up the loudness. Not a fan.

That's pretty simplistic. They did a full on remix, every single instrument is very much different sounding.

It's very good......technically. But PoS is one of the bands that's all about the ambiance, and this loses a whole lot of that.

I am getting it for the live CD.  Can't believe that they are not including the Japanese Bonus track on this remix.  It is a pretty killer song and I can't imagine listening to the album without it included.  I'll stick to my import when listening to the studio tracks

Thorn Clown below: (left off bonus track)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 06, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
Thorn Clown below: (left off bonus track)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA)

Wow this is good! Thanks a lot for the link!
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Post by: elyster on June 06, 2016, 06:54:52 PM
They have released the first two webisodes of the POS documentary

https://mapenzifilm.se/

Pretty interesting
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Hanz Gruber on June 07, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
Thorn Clown below: (left off bonus track)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUR24PZpoBA)

Wow this is good! Thanks a lot for the link!

No problem at all.  I am a completionist and shelled out $40 back in the day for the Japanese CD with the bonus track.

Was disappointed to hear that it won't be included in the remaster.  It flows nicely on the album.  Still excited for the live version though.  They are a killer live band
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Hanz Gruber on July 03, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
Anyone pick this up yet.  Thoughts?

I have it but won;t be able to listen to it for a week or so.  (Starting with the new Fates Warning album first and can only really listen in my car on the way to work.  I am off until Teusday so I will be spinning the FW CD then)

Just was wondering if the remix makes much of a difference (positives and negatives)
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Post by: pain of occupation on July 03, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Thorn Clown slays
I too was disappointed it didnt find its way onto the re-release
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 03, 2016, 01:07:51 PM
Yeah, I dunno why "Thorn Clown" was left out. Even the vinyl Inside Out released a few years ago has it. Maybe the session was missing?

I like the new mix, but it's very loud. If you're an anti-loudness war person (shouldn't we all be?), the blasting is annoying. Beyond that, the clarity is great. I hope The Perfect Element gets this treatment; the mix is a mess.

Re:Lived is also great – how many friggin' singers were on stage? They must've tuned some of them. I refuse to believe that many voices were so perfectly harmonized the entire set, and that Daniel and whoever could spit out the fast-ass lyrics so accurately while presumably playing instruments. It's beyond mindblowing in "Fandango."
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Post by: ariich on July 03, 2016, 02:09:55 PM
It's not that loud. It sounds really great to me, much better than the original.
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Post by: Zydar on July 03, 2016, 02:11:32 PM
This remix only reinforces my opinion that this is their very best album, and one of the best prog metal releases I've heard from any band.

I hope their new album is a return to this kind of style.
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Post by: Adami on July 03, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
It's not that loud. It sounds really great to me, much better than the original.

I've only heard the samples, but the loudness was fine. The mix was very good...technically, but it felt just very sterile, which for a lot of bands would be fine, but PoS needs that life and personality and I think the new mix lacks that to some degree. I'll still buy it though.
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Post by: ariich on July 03, 2016, 02:34:06 PM
There are occasional moments that don't have the same atmosphere as the original, but they're few and far between, and more than made up for by some far superior moments. Songs like Waking Every God and Beyond the Pale just have so much more energy now, and are much better songs for it IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
There are occasional moments that don't have the same atmosphere as the original, but they're few and far between, and more than made up for by some far superior moments. Songs like Waking Every God and Beyond the Pale just have so much more energy now, and are much better songs for it IMO.

Bought it and listened to it. Actually pretty good. There are a few parts that I didn't care for, where a guitar or vocal harmony got lost in the mix that I really missed, or in Trace of Blood, during the tapping section, the piano and 2nd guitar is buried, which hurt, but over all it was quite well done.

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Post by: Lynxo on July 04, 2016, 12:32:24 AM
This remix only reinforces my opinion that this is their very best album, and one of the best prog metal releases I've heard from any band.

I hope their new album is a return to this kind of style.
I had the exact same reaction when I heard the Re:Live one on Spotify. Remedy Lane is surely one of my favorite albums of all time, by any band. Also, Ragnar is a beast!
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Post by: Kwyjibo on July 04, 2016, 05:14:22 AM
Is the live version different from the studio version or do they play it note for note?
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Post by: Lynxo on July 04, 2016, 07:01:29 AM
Is the live version different from the studio version or do they play it note for note?
There's some noticeable differences.
- They use the song Remedy Lane as an opener, instead of having in the middle of the set, which works much better if you ask me. I always thought the CD was weird in that it has two instrumentals after one another.
- Some songs have new outros that I have never heard before. Not sure if they played the songs that way back on the Remedy Lane tour or if it's brand new.
- Biggest difference though, is that Ragnar actually takes some of Daniel's lead vocals. For example, he sings the entire Undertow by himself.

So no, it's not really a note for note thing. :) And I really love Ragnar's vocals, I can't wait to hear him on the new album they're working on!
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Post by: Kwyjibo on July 04, 2016, 07:27:37 AM
Thanks for the info, was and still are interested more in the live disc than the remixes but I like my live concerts more if things are changed up a bit.

And I see what you mean with Remedy Lane (the song). As it is more soundscapes than actual melody I always thought this is more intro (or outro) than centerpiece song.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 04, 2016, 07:59:52 AM
They use the song Remedy Lane as an opener, instead of having in the middle of the set, which works much better if you ask me. I always thought the CD was weird in that it has two instrumentals after one another.

Fair point about two successive instrumentals, but I think the point was that "Remedy Lane" opens the final section of tracks ("Chapter 3") by reprising some of the central melodic themes from earlier tracks; the songs that follow it vary pretty strangely from the style on the rest of the album, especially "Beyond the Pale," so it was likely important to open with a 'reminder' before the album/story got weirder.

Interesting to note TPI pt. I has this as well, but it was only a Japanese bonus track (until Inside Out's last reissue). Seems Remedy Lane was always a refinement on TPI.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 15, 2016, 06:04:59 AM
for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 15, 2016, 06:51:40 AM
The live part just affirmed for me again what an awesome piece of music Remedy Lane is. I had my doubts on how the new line-up would perform, but they proved to be completely groundless. They perform admirable.
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Post by: Lynxo on July 15, 2016, 06:57:18 AM
The live part just affirmed for me again what an awesome piece of music Remedy Lane is. I had my doubts on how the new line-up would perform, but they proved to be completely groundless. They perform admirable.
This, so much! And I'd also add that the remix did the same thing - I love that it brings out new aspects of the music I never noticed before.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on July 17, 2016, 01:36:21 AM
Somehow I never really got around to checking them out before, but man, how awesome are Beyond the Mirror and Timeweaver's Tale? So fucking good, I'd take them over at least half the songs on OHBTCL, such underrated gems.
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Post by: LordCost on July 17, 2016, 04:58:13 AM
There's even a 9 minute version of Timeweaver's Tale on their demo of 1996! I think Beyond The Mirror is solid but a bit boring, I like Timeweaver's Tale but it would be in the bottom half of OHBTCL for me.
Talking about rarities, there are also two songs from 1993 you can find on youtube, called Repent and Unknowing :tup
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Post by: wolfking on July 17, 2016, 05:19:28 AM
Somehow I never really got around to checking them out before, but man, how awesome are Beyond the Mirror and Timeweaver's Tale? So fucking good, I'd take them over at least half the songs on OHBTCL, such underrated gems.

It's astonishing that these songs are bonus tracks.
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Post by: Elite on July 17, 2016, 05:39:09 AM
Like Thorn Clown. I bought the Remedy Lane vinyl reissue specifically so I could get my hands on a CD that includes that track.
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Post by: Lynxo on July 18, 2016, 02:49:58 AM
Oh man, Beyond THe Mirror, Thorn Clown and Timeweaver's Tale are so awesome. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on July 18, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
if we're listing off rare japanese bonus tracks, we would be remiss not to mention Never Learn To Fly, which I believe Daniel wrote when he was 11 years old or some isht. \m/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 18, 2016, 03:25:51 PM
Is this album scheduled for 2016 or?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2016, 03:28:34 PM
Pretty sure it's scheduled for the autumn/winter.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 19, 2016, 01:08:12 AM
for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/

These things are pretty insightful. And way more serious then I expected. Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.
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Post by: Lynxo on July 19, 2016, 02:16:09 AM
for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/

These things are pretty insightful. And way more serious then I expected. Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.
Actually, most bands have similar spaces. I've seen Opeth's rehearsal room and that looks about the same. The thing that's depressive to me is all the problems they seem to be having.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 19, 2016, 02:35:12 AM
Yeah true. Unfortunately, that's the fate of a lot of bands, they have to keep their day jobs. Also, the fact that Daniel is the sole creative force and songwriter in the band doesn't help. I did enjoy the footage of Kristoffer Gildenlow coming to visit his brother backstage though. I haven't seen anything about the debiliitating desease Daniel contracted which halted the band for some time, though. 
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Post by: Lynxo on July 19, 2016, 02:51:31 AM
Yeah true. Unfortunately, that's the fate of a lot of bands, they have to keep their day jobs. Also, the fact that Daniel is the sole creative force and songwriter in the band doesn't help. I did enjoy the footage of Kristoffer Gildenlow coming to visit his brother backstage though. I haven't seen anything about the debiliitating desease Daniel contracted which halted the band for some time, though.
That happens later in the timeline so maybe they'll feature that next season. :)

Man, when you think about it, this band has had a great deal of setbacks. I'm not too familiar with the band's early history (up until Remedy Lane or something I guess) but the later years seems really rough for them.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 19, 2016, 03:24:40 AM
Well, let's see. First their bassplayer quits/gets asked to leave because he's spending most of his time in Holland.
Then their drummer quits because he's become a father and wants to spend more time with his family (understandable).
Then their guitarist quits/wants time out because he wants to climb a mountain and contemplate on life and who he is. And because he thinks there's too little progress.  (my understanding, at least). Then he DOESN'T want to quit....and then does.
When they finally replace all these guys their keyboardplayer quits because he wants to persue a classical carreer (?).

I also found the footage hilarious when they were auditioning drummers and the blonde girl with the big boobies was playing with them. The awkward silence afterwards.....and then Daniel: 'yeah....so, that's not going to work out, is it?' (silence).   ;D Boy, this guy must have been feeling alone for quite some time. Then this kid comes in to play... mmm...no. 
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Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2016, 03:47:18 AM
Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.

Are they really "this big"? I seriously doubt that. They are known in prog circles and even there they are not universally known or liked. Outside of that small niche I think nobody has ever heard of them. Maybe some in Sweden when Daniel took part in the european song contest. And I wonder how or if they can make a living with just this one band. Daniel as the main force and songwriter may get some royalties now and then, but the rest? And I think that this is one of the reasons, among others, the other members quit.

And they had a lot of setbacks they couldn't influence, like Daniel's disease, but I always had the feeling that they missed a lot of opportunities because of not being ready (to tour, to record, whatever) when the time arises. It is five years since Road Salt Two, what happened in between? And Daniel's US embargo may be morally important to him but didn't make things easier for the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on July 19, 2016, 05:35:34 AM
Well, let's see. First their bassplayer quits/gets asked to leave because he's spending most of his time in Holland.
Then their drummer quits because he's become a father and wants to spend more time with his family (understandable).
Then their guitarist quits/wants time out because he wants to climb a mountain and contemplate on life and who he is. And because he thinks there's too little progress.  (my understanding, at least). Then he DOESN'T want to quit....and then does.
When they finally replace all these guys their keyboardplayer quits because he wants to persue a classical carreer (?).
Yeah, I even think it's amazing this band still exists at all. Most people would probably have called it quits at that point. So all props to Daniel for keeping the ship going and continuing to create great music.  :tup

Are they really "this big"? I seriously doubt that. They are known in prog circles and even there they are not universally known or liked. Outside of that small niche I think nobody has ever heard of them. Maybe some in Sweden when Daniel took part in the european song contest. And I wonder how or if they can make a living with just this one band. Daniel as the main force and songwriter may get some royalties now and then, but the rest? And I think that this is one of the reasons, among others, the other members quit.

And they had a lot of setbacks they couldn't influence, like Daniel's disease, but I always had the feeling that they missed a lot of opportunities because of not being ready (to tour, to record, whatever) when the time arises. It is five years since Road Salt Two, what happened in between? And Daniel's US embargo may be morally important to him but didn't make things easier for the band.
No, they're not big at all really, they have said multiple times that at least in Sweden they're really small. It's outside of Sweden they make most of their money. And all of them, except for Daniel and possibly Ragnar, have regular jobs when they're not touring.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 19, 2016, 06:01:47 AM
Well even his own wife admits in the docu that Daniel is the ship's captain but isn't really fit to lead any ship, so...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 19, 2016, 11:31:33 AM
Oh and remember when Daniel refused to tour the US for years because they would take his fingerprints? Yeah, that must have been a set of interesting conversations between the members.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: peepeetipi on July 19, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
Oh and remember when Daniel refused to tour the US for years because they would take his fingerprints? Yeah, that must have been a set of interesting conversations between the members.

I have a feeling it was, as he said in the doc of their conversations, him talking followed by silence lol. "Alright, so it's agreed!"

Really feel for the guys, Simon included, considering everything. Not a big fan of the Road Salt albums, but regardless of what you think of how they sound the effort put in does show. As a fan of a genre that has hardly any exposure, it's both a treat and affecting to be able to follow the clearly frustrating journey of an underground prog band, especially one of my favorites, and especially at this later stage in their history. I'm most curious to see how Fredrik's departure played out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on July 22, 2016, 07:13:05 AM
I love how Daniel always talk about the music being The Beatles and constantly reminding everyone that it's NOT progressive. Still they have songs that just screams progressive music (even if that genre is a bit vague). Thorn clown is progressive combined with some extra topping of progressive :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2016, 04:39:04 AM
Finally got the remix and listening now.  I haven't listened to the original in quite a while so it's hard to compare, but this sounds nice.  Lots of atmosphere and still has the feel of the original.  Some songs seem to have been boosted a lot whereas some things are subtle in places.  The mix though itself is well done and breathes really well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 27, 2016, 09:07:00 AM
Been on a 'late period POS' kick because of the Road Salt thread, and I've discovered that Scarsick doesn't suck NEARLY as much as I initially thought when it came out. By that point I had basically decided the band I loved since TPE1 died (the final death of?) and was replaced by aliens... but it was more like I hadn't developed taste for the areas they were trying out.

Particularly, I was shocked to learn of Scarsicker. This was only released in mp3 on their old webstore, right? Or so says MusicBrainz. Super interesting listen, though obviously the editing brutalizes way too much.

Scarsick highlights: Scarsick, Spitfall (5/5!), Cribcaged (5/5!), Disco Queen, Enter Rain
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2016, 01:35:34 PM
I always liked Scarsick, and my opinion hasn't changed. Still ranks bottom half for me, but a solid album with some great songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on July 27, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Scarsick songs are mostly either quite good or terrible, but I never want to listen to the album as a whole
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on July 27, 2016, 02:15:17 PM
I'm going to take this opportunity to listen to Scarsick, which may be their best album, thanks guys! :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on July 27, 2016, 02:20:19 PM
I'm going to take this opportunity to listen to Scarsick, which may be their best album, thanks guys! :D
This is pure silliness, but at least we agree that BE is terrible.  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on July 27, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
BE is great  :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 27, 2016, 02:52:07 PM
BE is by far their best album, it's not even close. (though TPE is still a strong contender)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on July 27, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
BE is by far their best album

On opposite day. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: home on July 27, 2016, 03:05:56 PM
BE is by far their best album

On opposite day. :biggrin:

Pff opposite day doesn't exist   :loser:

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
BE is by far their best album, it's not even close. (though TPE is still a strong contender)
I agree Be is their best, though I'd only put it slightly ahead of TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on July 27, 2016, 04:04:31 PM
HEY YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY DO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE HOW ABOUT AN ALBUM RANKING

1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element
3. Entropia

4. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt One / Road Salt Two

6. BE
7. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on July 27, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
1. tpe
2. rl
3. be
4. e
5. ohbtcl
6. rs2
7. ss
8. rs1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
I'm going to take this opportunity to listen to Scarsick, which may be their best album, thanks guys! :D

Wouldn't say it's the best, but it's my favourite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 27, 2016, 05:02:46 PM
So let's talk about 12:5 for a minute. Is "T5" in the titles just a clever shortening of 12:5? If so, why isn't it on the title for "Second Love," "Chainsling" and "Dryad of the Woods?" Are they technically the same arrangement but played acoustic? I guess it'd make sense to only denote new arrangements with the T5 modifier.

Also, some of the Brickwork parts that are labelled Ascend or Descend are still parts from other songs, are they not? Ascend 2 definitely is... it's from somewhere on Remedy Lane I think, drawing a blank on which song. But why isn't it in the subtitle of the Brickwork title?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 28, 2016, 02:12:57 AM
I'd have to listen to that again to see what you refer to. It's been a while.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 28, 2016, 02:07:36 PM
1. TPE
2. RL
3. OHBDCL/BE
4. Entropia
5. Scarsick
10. Road Salt 1, 2/12:5
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on July 28, 2016, 03:44:08 PM
1. TPE
2. Remedy Lane
3. 12:5
4. OHBCL
5. Entropia
6. Falling Home
7. Road Salt 2
8. Road Salt 1


9. Scarsick


10. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 28, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
I'd have to listen to that again to see what you refer to. It's been a while.

Alright, I ended up skipping around and doing the detective work anyway. Weird nobody posted the actual titles of the ascend/descend sections on any discog sites or anything.
Brickwork I: Leaving Entropia T5 A
Brickwork II: This Heart of Mine T5
Brickwork III: Song for the Innocent T5
Brickwork IV: Descend 1/Her Voices T5 A
Brickwork V: Leaving Entropia T5 B
Brickwork VI: Ascend 1/Idioglossia T5
Brickwork VII: Ascend 2/Her Voices T5 B
Brickwork VIII: Second Love T5
Brickwork IX: Ashes T5
Brickwork X: Descend 2 (blues jam... it probably formed a Road Salt song?)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 29, 2016, 02:10:27 AM
Good job! I'd have to dig up the cd somewhere in my gigantic mess of a cd cubboard, none of it in order.

Was just thinking with the back catalogue of POS how weird it was for them to put two BLATANT 'lovesongs' on Remedy Lane (This heart of mine and Second love) and actually make them work within the confounds of the concept. Imagine if they'd make an album full of those songs, they'd get butchered by the fans.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 29, 2016, 12:19:09 PM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. Road Salt 1
5. Scarsick
6. Road Salt 2
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
8. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 03, 2016, 01:24:13 PM
1- BE
2- Remedy Lane
3- Entropia
4- The Perfect Element
5- Road Salt 1
6- Road Salt 2
7- One Hour By The Concrete Lake
8- Scarsick


By the way, I've just heard the Remedy Lane live. Very good. I just didn't like the new guy singing Daniel's hard parts in some of the songs. It sounds very different from the studio. Not that the new guy isn't a good singer. He is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2016, 05:04:09 PM
By the way, I've just heard the Remedy Lane live. Very good. I just didn't like the new guy singing Daniel's hard parts in some of the songs. It sounds very different from the studio. Not that the new guy isn't a good singer. He is.

This got me too.  It totally threw me.  Does anyone have any idea why some parts aren't sung by Daniel.  Undertow was one that really just didn't feel right to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on August 04, 2016, 06:39:00 AM
I have no earthly idea why they do that now. Daniel can still sing those parts. I've seen them three times in the last 3 or 4 years, and if he can still hit that note in Nightmist, which he can, then he can sing anything in their catalog. And I was at the show they recorded for the RL live disc, and it's not overdubbed much if at all. It sounds like it sounded in the room.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 04, 2016, 06:43:30 AM
Well, maybe they just want to let the new guy shine a little? I mean, he's more than capable of being a front man himself and I actually thought it was nice hearing the songs from his perspective. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 04, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
They should just say that DG has no voice anymore and get it over with, don't see why they are keeping silent about it. Right now you go to see PoS and get a 80% cover band instead. Good one, but still not PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on August 04, 2016, 09:29:19 AM
They should just say that DG has no voice anymore and get it over with, don't see why they are keeping silent about it. Right now you go to see PoS and get a 80% cover band instead. Good one, but still not PoS.
Completely untrue. His voice is fine.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 04, 2016, 10:17:07 AM
I wouldn't say his voice is totally fine based on the live gig I visited fairly recently (Autumn 2015) - the sound was quite clear so I was able to hear that he did struggle in a few moments - but it's definitely not the case of "having no voice anymore". He's doing good and I enjoyed hearing him sing on that gig. Definitely didn't feel like a cover band to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 04, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
I remember after he had his health problems and lost a lot of weight that he seemed to lose a bit of his vocals, but they were still good for someone who had been to hell and back. I hope his health is improving and I think the vocals will come naturally.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 04, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
I agree that his vocals have been lacking lately. I could say the same of Mikael Akerfeldt's growls (since 2007 or so).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 04, 2016, 12:53:41 PM
He's human, it's to be expected, it's not a guitar you can just replace. I just wish they would come out with a statement and what the future holds. Are they pulling a Savatage for a while or what? The guy is great, probably one in a million find, but still not the person people go to see/hear.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2016, 02:20:09 PM
Did I hear a different live recording than you guys did? He sounded insane and fantastic. The fact that Ragnorock sang some parts equals "Daniel's lost his voice"? Everything else he sang, which covered the whole range of vocals, was ace.

I have no idea how you guys translate him not singing Undertow, to him losing his voice.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 04, 2016, 02:54:03 PM
I don't mind Ragnar's vocals or how they are used either. Back when Johan was singing 30% it wasn't a problem, now that it's Ragnar, all of a sudden it's a cover band and Daniel should hang the mantle up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 04, 2016, 11:55:12 PM
I don't mind Ragnar's vocals or how they are used either. Back when Johan was singing 30% it wasn't a problem, now that it's Ragnar, all of a sudden it's a cover band and Daniel should hang the mantle up.
Yeah exactly, the vast majority is still Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 05, 2016, 12:01:42 AM
It seems that there are some people that really don't like a live recording that differs in any way from the studio recording.

I just don't get that. Pain of Salvation have never really been a band that's all about perfect duplication, they always like to change things up. Giving Ragnorok lead vocals is a cool way to switch it up.


I should add that I listened to this album wanting to hate it. Truly. I was one of those guys who considered current PoS to be the Daniel Gildenlow band, playing PoS music.

But man, it's really really good. They do great jobs. Sure, I'd prefer Johan still there and doing all those vocals, but Raganarok did a fantastic job.

Loved it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 05, 2016, 01:24:07 AM
It seems that there are some people that really don't like a live recording that differs in any way from the studio recording.

I just don't get that. Pain of Salvation have never really been a band that's all about perfect duplication, they always like to change things up. Giving Ragnorok lead vocals is a cool way to switch it up.


I should add that I listened to this album wanting to hate it. Truly. I was one of those guys who considered current PoS to be the Daniel Gildenlow band, playing PoS music.

But man, it's really really good. They do great jobs. Sure, I'd prefer Johan still there and doing all those vocals, but Raganarok did a fantastic job.

Loved it.
Agreed on all of this. He sounds fantastic on Remedy Lane Re:lived.

Also, I've never understood why people have a problem with Daniel Gildenlöw being the main writer just now? It's ALWAYS been that way! And if it really bothers then go buy the new album when it comes out - supposedly, Ragnar was very much involved in the writing this time around.

(Also, why have I never thought of the name Ragnarok? It's an amazing nick name for him!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 05, 2016, 01:40:08 AM
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It seems that there are some people that really don't like a live recording that differs in any way from the studio recording.
Literally no one said that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 05, 2016, 01:43:42 AM
Re:Lived version of Beyond the Pale is IMO better than original. And I didn't even realise it's different until I listened to studio version few days ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 05, 2016, 01:49:11 AM
Quote
It seems that there are some people that really don't like a live recording that differs in any way from the studio recording.
Literally no one said that.

Chucksteak heavily implied it. It's also something I've run into a lot before. I didn't mean to say you said that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 05, 2016, 06:58:51 AM
Quote
It seems that there are some people that really don't like a live recording that differs in any way from the studio recording.
Literally no one said that.

Chucksteak heavily implied it. It's also something I've run into a lot before. I didn't mean to say you said that.
Live recordings will ALWAYS differ from studio ones, no matter how faithful you try to be. I have no problem with that at all. In fact, I even enjoy improvisation, re-arrangements of songs, solos, etc.

I have nothing against this new guy Ragnar and as I said before, I think he's a very good singer. I just didn't like him singing Daniel's parts. I am not saying that he didn't do a good job nor that he didn't sing them well. That's not the point. Since you are playing an entire album for the first time live, you try to reproduce it as faithfully as you can, which, instrumentally, they did. Johan didn't use to sing Daniel's parts. He did mostly backing vocals and his vocals worked in such a harmony with Daniel's that it makes me remember David Gilmour's and Richard Wright's vocal harmonies and how well they flowed together.

I think if Daniel sings certain parts in the studio he should also sing it live, specially if you are playing a whole album for the first time and specially if the concept of the album is what happened to Daniel in his life, which is very personal. So having another guy singing almost half of what Daniel sang in the studio is strange, since you can tell they tried to reproduce the album faithfully. They sometimes got lost in the lyrics too, if you listen closely. If they didn't want to take themselves too seriously, they would change some songs like they did with Undertow and Chain Sling on 12:5.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 05, 2016, 07:01:57 AM
I dunno dude, that still sounds like you want it to sound as close to the studio version as possible.


Also, Johan DID sing Daniel's parts live, just not as many. Daniel never sang the chorus to Chainsling live, as far as I remember.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 05, 2016, 07:03:23 AM
I dunno dude, that still sounds like you want it to sound as close to the studio version as possible.


Also, Johan DID sing Daniel's parts live, just not as many. Daniel never sang the chorus to Chainsling live, as far as I remember.
Yep, Johan always sang loads of Chainsling live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 05, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
If you play an entire album in a special occasion like Opeth did with Blackwater Park, I think you should try to sound as faithfully as you can. Remedy Lane being Daniel's autobiographical album, it sounds really strange having another guy singing a lot of his parts, which are passages of his life. It is different if you are playing just a regular concert and you can do whatever you want. PoS also tried to sound faithful to the album and they did, the vocals being the only different thing here and there.

I know Johan sang some of Daniel's parts. I saw them live and he did sing some, but, like I said, he mostly did backing vocals and he didn't sing Daniel's parts as much as Ragnar did. He also never (as far as I know) sang a whole song by himself live like Ragnar did with Undertow.

I enjoyed the live album very much, but I still prefer the studio version.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 05, 2016, 10:07:21 AM
With ChuckSteak on this one. Ragnar is great, but he is not the driving force, primary writer, and lead singer of the band.

That said, Daniel had him sing it for a reason, and if you want live Undertow with Dan singing, it's on The Second Death Of (albeit in a way sparse arrangement). Ultimately I'm not super torn about it for these reasons.

Plus, the only reason I still listen to Re:Lived is for Dryad of the Woods. Otherwise the original and Re:Mixed are getting the plays.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 05, 2016, 11:12:50 AM
They should just say that DG has no voice anymore and get it over with, don't see why they are keeping silent about it. Right now you go to see PoS and get a 80% cover band instead. Good one, but still not PoS.

That doesn't make any sense at all. PoS is mainly Daniel, but the other guys are in the band as well which makes them PoS as well. Give them some credit at least.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 30, 2016, 08:22:42 AM
In the Passing Light of Day

January 13th, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcV94khwaU
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on September 30, 2016, 08:31:15 AM
Short, but sounds promising!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 30, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Sounded cool but I'm not a fan of the way it sounds. Still attempting to sound somewhat 70s?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
Short, but sounds promising!!

Indeed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 30, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
That "teaser" was pretty lame. You pretty much hear nothing. Still looking forward to the album though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 01, 2016, 02:45:32 AM
Sounded cool but I'm not a fan of the way it sounds. Still attempting to sound somewhat 70s?
Huh? If I had any complaint at all it would be that it could be trying to sound too much like Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 01, 2016, 02:53:37 AM
That "teaser" was pretty lame. You pretty much hear nothing. Still looking forward to the album though.
I don't know any teaser in music or movies that reveals anything. I think they are actually pretty useless.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 01, 2016, 03:07:41 AM
Sounded cool but I'm not a fan of the way it sounds. Still attempting to sound somewhat 70s?
Huh? If I had any complaint at all it would be that it could be trying to sound too much like Remedy Lane.

I don't see the problem with that at all :lol That's what I'm hoping with this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on October 01, 2016, 06:19:10 AM
That "teaser" was pretty lame. You pretty much hear nothing. Still looking forward to the album though.
I don't know any teaser in music or movies that reveals anything. I think they are actually pretty useless.
We are talking about it, so it works as intended ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: RoeDent on October 01, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I have never heard a polyrhythm like that before! Extraordinary manipulation of time!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 02, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
Sounded cool but I'm not a fan of cool sounding...
fixed
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2016, 04:08:02 AM
Sounded cool but I'm not a fan of the way it sounds. Still attempting to sound somewhat 70s?
Huh? If I had any complaint at all it would be that it could be trying to sound too much like Remedy Lane.

Fist thing I thought too.  Sounds like Rope Ends, but that's cool with me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on October 03, 2016, 10:21:44 AM
I was referring to the production, not the music itself. But I guess I listened to it first from work, where the speakers are shit and sometimes some things sound really weird on them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 10, 2016, 08:53:35 AM
Some new info has been unveiled on their Facebook page:

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The tracklist of the coming album:
PAIN OF SALVATION —
IN THE PASSING LIGHT OF DAY
(Release: Friday the 13th, Jan 2017)
1. ON A TUESDAY (10:22)
2. TONGUE OF GOD (04:53)
3. MEANINGLESS (04:47)
4. SILENT GOLD (03:23)
5. FULL THROTTLE TRIBE (09:05)
6. REASONS (04:45)
7. ANGELS OF BROKEN THINGS (06:24)
8. THE TAMING OF A BEAST (06:33)
9. IF THIS IS THE END (06:03)
10. THE PASSING LIGHT OF DAY (15:31)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14955955_10210798528990028_863677922317381276_n.jpg?oh=1dbe61e72a6943fa122ad5a48ec48572&oe=5893D23A)

Supposedly, it's about the flesh eating bacteria and the experiences that Daniel went through while in the hospital. Which means it's not only a return to the heavier sound, it also mimicks Remedy Lane in the way that he tells a more personal story. Which sounds awesome, if you ask me. :)

Although, I find the cover a bit silly.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on November 10, 2016, 08:54:56 AM
Sweeet!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 10, 2016, 08:55:10 AM
Some more info from InsideOut:

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Swedish progressive rock/metal innovators Pain of Salvation have announced the worldwide release of their long-awaited new studio album ‘In the Passing Light of Day’ for Friday the 13th of January, 2017 via their longtime label partners InsideOutMusic.
Working together with acclaimed producer Daniel Bergstrand (In Flames, Meshuggah, Strapping Young Lad, etc.) at Dugout Studio in Sweden, the band have crafted an album that sees them returning to their much praised heavier sound, featuring the syncopated rhythms, glorious melodies, and intensely personal themes that Pain of Salvation fans have long loved about the band.
Inextricably linked to the near fatal illness that band-leader Daniel Gildenlöw spent much of the first half of 2014 recovering from, the album is an altogether darker and more impassioned journey. Taking the hospital bed as a narrative hub, the lyrical and musical themes touch on all the conflicting feelings that run through a person’s mind when presented with the prospect of death and the passing of life.
The album will be available as a special edition 2CD Mediabook (including expanded 48-pages booklet, several in-depth texts by conceptual author Daniel Gildenlöw, demo material & band commentary tracks), standard jewelcase CD, gatefold 180g 2LP vinyl plus album on CD as bonus & digital download.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 10, 2016, 09:05:19 AM
structure reminds me of TPE and Remedy Lane.

15+ min closing title track?
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Post by: ChuckSteak on November 10, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
Interesting, but the album cover is atrocious.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on November 10, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Excited for this one. But the album cover isn't really good.
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Post by: Adami on November 10, 2016, 12:31:11 PM
So the cover is Daniel and maybe...his son? Probably taken by his wife.

Guess it keeps the budget down.
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Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
Looking forward to this one.
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Post by: LordCost on November 10, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Two songs near 10 minutes and a 15 minutes track :o
I agree with you, the album cover is bad..
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 10, 2016, 01:32:15 PM
The album cover is nice if you consider that this is a personal album.
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Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2016, 03:38:56 PM
The cover is a bit novice like, but I don't have that much of a problem with it.  Maybe if it was artwork instead of an actual photo it would look better. 

Seems like this is going to be a very self indulgent album for Daniel, but saying that, I have no issue with that.
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Post by: ChuckSteak on November 10, 2016, 06:33:18 PM
The album cover is nice if you consider that this is a personal album.
Remedy Lane was also a personal album and it has a good cover.
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Post by: Crow on November 10, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
"i literally don't care about the album cover as long as the music is good"
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Post by: NoseofNicko on November 10, 2016, 06:47:01 PM
"i literally don't care about the album cover as long as the music is good"

^This.

Can't wait. Hope they release a song from it soon.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 10, 2016, 07:09:33 PM
The album cover is nice if you consider that this is a personal album.
Remedy Lane was also a personal album and it has a good cover.

What? The super 2000s Poser 3D figure outlines are awful, like someone just starting designs for adding humans to the Beast Wars TV show. That's the reason there's so much other crap all over it – I'm sure the artist thought it was awful too, but it was commissioned and you can't just give away a paycheck, so you try to offset the awful parts with covering material. And don't even get me started on the cover for the Re:Lived album that just came out. (immense shudder)
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Post by: Crow on November 10, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
honestly it looks better as a cover than the majority of pain of salvation album covers, which have a long streak of being awful.

concrete lake sucks, scarsick sucks, both road salts suck, and be is just really basic (but fine)
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Post by: Zantera on November 11, 2016, 01:55:58 AM
Yeah I really don't get the fuzz over the artwork. To me it's fine. What will make or break this album is the music on it, not the cover.
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Post by: Zydar on November 11, 2016, 01:57:35 AM
Yeah I really don't get the fuzz over the artwork. To me it's fine. What will make or break this album is the music on it, not the cover.

Exactly.

And it seems like it'll be a return to the Remedy Lane/Perfect Element sound, so I'm very excited.
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Post by: Elite on November 11, 2016, 03:10:43 AM
Exciting indeed.
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Post by: Dublagent66 on November 11, 2016, 01:32:58 PM
Love albums like OHBTCL and TPE.  Would be great to hear more of that style.   :tup
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 12, 2016, 04:48:07 AM
Plus, for anyone who's finding the art a bit shite, I'm sure there'll be a deluxe thing with alternate artwork. Seems to be the norm for every release now.
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Post by: Fritzinger on November 18, 2016, 02:21:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MreXYqelGPM

PoS have just released a first video! I'm not gonna listen though :/
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Post by: Elite on November 18, 2016, 03:29:38 AM
YEEEEEEESSSSS
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Post by: Elite on November 18, 2016, 03:33:59 AM
Jesus, this song leaves me really excited for the rest of the album. It honestly sounds like a logical transition from the Road Salts back to their 'roots'; somewhat of a mixture of the two. This song harks back to TPE & Remedy Lane in structure and sound, while retaining some of the qualities present on both Road Salts (especially RS2). Yeeeees, this will be good :D
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Post by: Zydar on November 18, 2016, 03:39:08 AM
Niiiice :tup
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Post by: Lynxo on November 18, 2016, 03:47:49 AM
I feel the same way, it really does sound like old school PoS, like they said. And the addition of Ragnar sounds really awesome as well, they really benefit from his vocal skills. :metal
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Post by: abydos on November 18, 2016, 04:19:33 AM
My hopes were up for about a minute, from 0:30 to about 1:40, right up until the vocals kicked in. Didn't like that at all, the chorus was cool and Ragnar sounds great but still I would have loved for Daniel to sing those parts instead.
The ending is cool, but it's just a longer version of what I liked in the beginning.

Maybe I would have liked the song a little more without the video. That shit is fucked up. Overall, it exceeded my expectations but they were incredibly low.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2016, 04:34:00 AM
Damn, says video not available for me.  :mehlin
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Post by: Skeever on November 18, 2016, 05:05:59 AM
That was not good
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 18, 2016, 06:14:09 AM
https://www.vevo.com/watch/pain-of-salvation/Meaningless/GBF861777301
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Post by: home on November 18, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Oh Yeah  :metal That was pretty awesome, really hyped for the album now.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 18, 2016, 11:21:52 AM
looks like the YouTube link is back up.

Also it's more or less a remake of Ragnar's band's old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oc_htMelcM
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Post by: Mebert78 on November 18, 2016, 11:22:55 AM
I definitely like the song more than most of the Road Salt albums.  But is that a woman having sex with Daniel's corpse in the new video?  I like dark stuff, but even that's a little too dark for me.  And too much shirtless Daniel for me too -- first the album cover, now the video.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on November 18, 2016, 02:14:37 PM
I like it  :tup
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Post by: ChuckSteak on November 18, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
It's an ok song, but I expected much more.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
I don't think this song is very good at all.  Sounds just like Road Salt stuff to me.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 18, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
I love it. New direction, but combines both the old old (TPE) with the old (Road Salt) in really interesting ways.

First listen: Vocals are the only thing making this great.
Further listens: This song is really great! I just had to get past the weird synth and the drum mix.

Really looking forward to the album, but I need to hear it before I buy it.
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Post by: bout to crash on November 18, 2016, 07:21:51 PM
:lol, that video is amazing! The song isn't bad, looking forward to hearing actual new material.
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Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
looks like the YouTube link is back up.

Also it's more or less a remake of Ragnar's band's old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oc_htMelcM

I heard a bit of the new song, and it was cool, will listen to it all soon. However, I really don't like that they just took another song, and essentially just renamed it.

I mean, would we be cool if Alter Bridge took a Creed song, renamed it and released it under their name?
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Post by: NoseofNicko on November 18, 2016, 08:15:07 PM
looks like the YouTube link is back up.

Also it's more or less a remake of Ragnar's band's old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oc_htMelcM

I heard a bit of the new song, and it was cool, will listen to it all soon. However, I really don't like that they just took another song, and essentially just renamed it.

I mean, would we be cool if Alter Bridge took a Creed song, renamed it and released it under their name?

Well, it's different. The guy who wrote the song is in the band. I don't really like it either though. I like the song, but that makes me appreciate it less.

Edit: Ah ok I see the link between Alter Bridge and Creed.
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Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Most of Creed is in Alterbridge, so it would be no different at all.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on November 18, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
Yeah I edited my post.
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Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Yeah I edited my post.

I'll edit your face!


Hmmmmm.....sorry.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on November 18, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 11:53:00 PM
I'm too lazy and disappointed to check, but did they just cover the song? Did they change the lyrics or anything else besides the title?
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Post by: Crow on November 19, 2016, 01:39:51 AM
the sign version is better tbh, lol... not feeling hyped for this album if they're opening with what's basically a cover
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Post by: gilpdawg on November 19, 2016, 02:09:26 AM
looks like the YouTube link is back up.

Also it's more or less a remake of Ragnar's band's old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oc_htMelcM

I heard a bit of the new song, and it was cool, will listen to it all soon. However, I really don't like that they just took another song, and essentially just renamed it.  Granted, that stuff wasn't widely released, this was pre-Bonded era, but whatevs.

I mean, would we be cool if Alter Bridge took a Creed song, renamed it and released it under their name?
Nobody cried foul when Metallica took chunks of Exodus' material that Kirk wrote.
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Post by: abydos on November 19, 2016, 09:53:24 AM
by chunks do you mean 95%? it's weird that they release a cover of another band's song as the single and video (and keep quiet about it)  for their upcoming album, an album that is supposed to be a concept one inspired by the recent events in DG's life, so unless this song is a japanese bonus version or something, it doesn't make much sense tbh.

It's like DT re-recording a Mullmuzzler song for SFAM and releasing it out as a video and single.
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Post by: Elite on November 19, 2016, 10:18:28 AM
Was the Sign song ever released on an album?
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Post by: Zantera on November 19, 2016, 10:21:26 AM
So many jimmies rustled over a song. It's a song we're talking about. Like it or dislike it, I feel like this whole discussion is just silly.
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Post by: Elite on November 19, 2016, 10:28:16 AM
So do I, and I don't really care about it being a reworked version of an older song.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 19, 2016, 11:09:11 AM
lol everyone complains all the time that Pain of Salvation is the Gildenlow show and then complain even more when they use another member's song.  I woulda been annoyed if it was a song we'd all heard being reworked but I don't think any of of listened to Ragnar's old band's B sides.  Daniel himself said Ragnar would be a writing force in the band and I got the feeling no one would be upset if an old PoS B-side found its way onto the album.  I think the weirder thing about this is someone other than Daniel writing a song for Pain of Salvation which I'm pretty sure has never happened aside from Frederic writing the piano part to Iter Impius.

The song/video itself I'm not too wild about.  I feel like it's on par with their older singles like Ashes and Ending Theme.
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Post by: bout to crash on November 19, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
I do like the song, but I agree that it's weird this is what they are releasing to represent what is supposed to be a very personal album about a specific experience Daniel had. I don't mind that they redid the song or that Ragnar is involved in writing (he can be "involved" in anything he wants :eyebrows:), but it does seem a bit strange, death-related or not. Like abydos said, unless it's a bonus track or something.
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 12:10:21 PM
looks like the YouTube link is back up.

Also it's more or less a remake of Ragnar's band's old song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oc_htMelcM

I heard a bit of the new song, and it was cool, will listen to it all soon. However, I really don't like that they just took another song, and essentially just renamed it.  Granted, that stuff wasn't widely released, this was pre-Bonded era, but whatevs.

I mean, would we be cool if Alter Bridge took a Creed song, renamed it and released it under their name?
Nobody cried foul when Metallica took chunks of Exodus' material that Kirk wrote.

This isn't taking a riff and putting it into another song. This is taking an entire song and simply renaming it.

This also isn't the case of another person contributing to the writing, it's taking stuff they wrote years ago for another band that was officially released and just re-recording it and renaming it.

If you're totally cool with it, awesome. But please don't tell those of us who don't like that we're being silly and should stop discussing it.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 19, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
It's Ragnar's song why can't he do what he wants with it?
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 12:33:02 PM
It's Ragnar's song why can't he do what he wants with it?

He can do whatever he wants with it. He can take a song he wrote for another band that was officially released, teach it to Daniel, have then rename and release it as a PoS song.

And I'm allowed to not like the idea of it.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 19, 2016, 12:37:22 PM
ok but it does seem really silly to me..  The fact that he happened to put it on some obscure release makes it so much more detestable than if it was just some old demo of his that never saw the light until it seemed useful for this album. 
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
Alright, so apparently it's not cool to not like what happened. I'm out.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 19, 2016, 12:42:29 PM
Well if you wanna equate me telling you that I disagree with your opinion to telling you that you're not allowed to have it that's not really my fault after all. 
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 12:45:08 PM
Well if you wanna equate me telling you that I disagree with your opinion to telling you that you're not allowed to have it that's not really my fault after all.

You can disagree, that's cool. I even said it was cool. You said my opinion was silly to have, that's not disagreeing, it's completely disregarding it and saying it's not an opinion worth having.

I don't even care about debating it. Some of us are cool with it, some of us aren't. There really isn't anywhere to take this, I'm not trying to convince you to not like it. I said it was cool that you did. I was just hoping to get a similar amount of respect for my opinion.
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Post by: pogoowner on November 19, 2016, 12:52:04 PM
Regardless of its origins, the song doesn't do much for me. But they haven't released any new material that has impressed me in a very, very long time, so I guess it's not surprising.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 19, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
You can disagree, that's cool. I even said it was cool. You said my opinion was silly to have, that's not disagreeing, it's completely disregarding it and saying it's not an opinion worth having.

I don't even care about debating it. Some of us are cool with it, some of us aren't. There really isn't anywhere to take this, I'm not trying to convince you to not like it. I said it was cool that you did. I was just hoping to get a similar amount of respect for my opinion.

I respect your opinion and challenged it because I wanted to know the reasoning behind it.  Sorry if my words implied otherwise.  Cut me some slack I'm new here.
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
I actually thought the song was pretty cool. Not amazing, but pretty good. Although I actually think the original version is a little better.
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
You can disagree, that's cool. I even said it was cool. You said my opinion was silly to have, that's not disagreeing, it's completely disregarding it and saying it's not an opinion worth having.

I don't even care about debating it. Some of us are cool with it, some of us aren't. There really isn't anywhere to take this, I'm not trying to convince you to not like it. I said it was cool that you did. I was just hoping to get a similar amount of respect for my opinion.

I respect your opinion and challenged it because I wanted to know the reasoning behind it.  Sorry if my words implied otherwise.  Cut me some slack I'm new here.

Definitely an improvement!


See what I did there? I took another quote of mine from something else and repurposed it.

 :yarr
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Post by: Elite on November 19, 2016, 01:11:20 PM
"I'm new here." :lol
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Post by: ariich on November 19, 2016, 01:16:57 PM
I lol'ed.

Good to see you though, Seth!

New song is cool - didn't have a big impact on me but I often find it hard to judge songs out of context, especially with PoS.
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Post by: Evermind on November 20, 2016, 11:45:31 AM
I quite liked the new song. Not mindblowing or anything, but I thought it was pretty good. Still, I hope this album has more to offer, because I have high expectations for this one.
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Post by: Fritzinger on November 20, 2016, 12:07:51 PM
Of course I couldn't resist.  >:(

Honestly, I have no desire to listen to it again. But I said the same think about Road Salt I & II. Now I love them.
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Post by: Adami on November 20, 2016, 12:12:23 PM
I actually really like that main melody that I assume is played on a keyboard? Just a cool melody/rhythm to it. The rest of the song I can lose.
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Post by: me7 on November 20, 2016, 12:25:11 PM
Sounds to me like a song that can work really well in the context of a concept album.

Doesn't do much for me as a single, but most of my favourite albums don't have great singles.
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Post by: bout to crash on November 21, 2016, 12:52:07 AM
Yeah, can't really judge it without the whole. I'm excited! And slightly aroused by the necrophilia.
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Post by: abydos on November 21, 2016, 01:24:03 AM
Director:
- So, he's going to play dead and you're going to mount him and put your fingers in his mouth and dry hump his "corpse".
Female actor (thoughts) "What did I just walk into, note to fire agent"
- OK.
DG (thoughts) "Giggity!"
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Post by: Lynxo on November 21, 2016, 06:34:05 AM
Daniel sure loves to put himself in awkward positions (giggety!) in their videos. :lol

And yeah, I wasn't aware this was a Ragnar song they just copied and pasted. Seems weird but whatever.
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Post by: Lynxo on November 21, 2016, 06:41:20 AM
Sorry for double post, but somebody already made an acoustic cover of Meaningless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQTc-fqy8c&sns=fb

Crazy high production value for something that was put together so quickly.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 21, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
Daniel sure loves to put himself in awkward positions (giggety!) in their videos. :lol

And yeah, I wasn't aware this was a Ragnar song they just copied and pasted. Seems weird but whatever.

I have no idea who Ragnar is...... but after watching the video and reading up on this song, Daniel G is no longer the most interesting member of Pain of Salvation, which to me is unbelievable!
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Post by: Adami on November 24, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
Sorry for double post, but somebody already made an acoustic cover of Meaningless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQTc-fqy8c&sns=fb

Crazy high production value for something that was put together so quickly.

Well, they did have 4 years to learn it ;)
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Post by: killer_rose on November 25, 2016, 12:38:44 AM
Just got a press promo copy of their upcoming album. I will not be sharing any of it, so spare your requests. The good thing is, I'm open to answering any questions about it, as long as you give me some time. Please, avoid questions like "how is it?", "is it their best/worst?" - because that's slightly personal and depends on everybody's taste. I'm more open to deeper/more specific questions.

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Post by: Lynxo on November 25, 2016, 12:47:09 AM
Sorry for double post, but somebody already made an acoustic cover of Meaningless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQTc-fqy8c&sns=fb

Crazy high production value for something that was put together so quickly.

Well, they did have 4 years to learn it ;)
:lol I guess that's true.

Anybody know where Ragnar's earlier version is? Is it available somewhere?
Just got a press promo copy of their upcoming album. I will not be sharing any of it, so spare your requests. The good thing is, I'm open to answering any questions about it, as long as you give me some time. Please, avoid questions like "how is it?", "is it their best/worst?" - because that's slightly personal and depends on everybody's taste. I'm more open to deeper/more specific questions.
Does it sounds more like classic PoS like they claim? The descriptions I've read makes me think of Remedy Lane, would you say that it's comparable to that album? Does Ragnar have more vocal lead parts?
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Post by: Crow on November 25, 2016, 12:48:08 AM
how long is it
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2016, 04:24:49 AM
Is the new single any sort of accurate representation of the entire album?
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 25, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
how long is it
On a Tuesday 10:22
Tongue of God 4:53
Meaningless 4:47
Silent Gold 3:23
Full Throttle Tribe 9:05
Reasons 4:45
Angels of Broken Things 6:24
The Taming of a Beast 6:33
If This Is the End 6:03
The Passing Light of Day 15:31

total 71:46
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Post by: abydos on November 25, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
How are the vocal duties split? And does Ragnar sing most of the high/hard parts?
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Post by: killer_rose on November 26, 2016, 01:18:30 AM
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Does it sounds more like classic PoS like they claim? The descriptions I've read makes me think of Remedy Lane, would you say that it's comparable to that album? Does Ragnar have more vocal lead parts?

It does sound more like classic PoS in a way because it's much heavier than Road Salt (actually it just might be their heaviest album ever). But still, I wouldn't say it's a duplicate of any of their other releases. It's not Remedy Lane 2.0 - that's not what you should expect but then again they don't have two albums that sound absolutely the same (except for the parts of Road Salt, but I count them as one project/album). There are some nice references to Remedy Lane (mostly lyrical) that will satisfy the most hardcore fans/nerds. Ragnar has a fair amount of vocals but in the end it's Daniel who stands in the center of the record.

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Is the new single any sort of accurate representation of the entire album?

I wouldn't say so. It's a part of this whole puzzle but there's so much more to the album than what you heard so far. It was the same for most of their other first singles, right?

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How are the vocal duties split? And does Ragnar sing most of the high/hard parts?

Probably 80% Daniel and 20 % Ragnar. Ragnar sings most of the high parts but there are some other hard parts that are not high - lyrics sung in an original/staccato way (like Fandango's verses) that are sung/screamed by Daniel. It's actually not an album of many high tones if you know what I mean - but it's an album of beautiful/heartfelt melodies.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on November 26, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
Heaviest album ever?
That's really interesting. At the moment I'm imagining heavy songs in the style of Used, Foreword, Revival, Handful Of Nothing with their new sound
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 26, 2016, 07:02:54 AM
Heaviest album ever?
That's really interesting. At the moment I'm imagining heavy songs in the style of Used, Foreword, Revival, Handful Of Nothing with their new sound

I guess you won't be disappointed. Btw, second single coming out by the end of December and it's gonna be a HEAVY one!  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on November 26, 2016, 12:51:22 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2016, 03:44:34 AM
I don't really classify much of what POS has done as heavy, but saying that it could be their heaviest album yet has resparked my interest a little.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: RoeDent on November 27, 2016, 03:58:03 AM
But remember that bands always have these "hook phrases" when promoting a new album, to do exactly that: hook you in. Then the album comes and more often than not it's not *quite* as up there as the band's pre-release statements would suggest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 05:32:21 AM
But remember that bands always have these "hook phrases" when promoting a new album, to do exactly that: hook you in. Then the album comes and more often than not it's not *quite* as up there as the band's pre-release statements would suggest.

True that. This time it's heavy though... Like almost djent-y riffs and breakdowns here and there. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 27, 2016, 07:40:34 AM
But remember that bands always have these "hook phrases" when promoting a new album, to do exactly that: hook you in. Then the album comes and more often than not it's not *quite* as up there as the band's pre-release statements would suggest.

True that. This time it's heavy though... Like almost djent-y riffs and breakdowns here and there. :)

Really now? That's interesting! :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 27, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
Wow, really like the sound of the new song. Hopefully the whole album will kick some serious ass!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on November 27, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
I relisten the single and I really like it, I was not impressed after the first listen. As Adami I'm a bit disappointed it is basically a cover of Ragnar's band, even if it sound 100% Pain Of Salvation.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on November 27, 2016, 12:36:48 PM
Spoken part gave me strong TPE/Remedy Lane vibe which is instant hype to me :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 12:38:51 PM
I relisten the single and I really like it, I was not impressed after the first listen. As Adami I'm a bit disappointed it is basically a cover of Ragnar's band, even if it sound 100% Pain Of Salvation.

I get the initial reaction but I believe they made the right choice with that single because this way they left so many surprises for the full listening experience. As a part of the album "Meaningless" sounds fresh and right on spot and there's a great reprise/reference to it later in the album (kinda like all the reprises/referencing melodies in Remedy Lane). It's an album that you're gonna need to listen to many times in order to get all the hiding brilliant details. Can't wait for you all to hear it! And btw - "If This Is The End" + the title track serve as such an emotional final punch. I find myself so moved every time I listen to it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 27, 2016, 12:40:15 PM
Ohhhh, here's a question. I'm not sure if you would know this, but are any of the other songs on the album just renamed songs from someone else's former band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 12:44:22 PM
Ohhhh, here's a question. I'm not sure if you would know this, but are any of the other songs on the album just renamed songs from someone else's former band?

I'm not really familiar with any of the other members' former bands, I'm sorry.  ::) Keep up with the interesting questions guys, it's a pleasure for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 12:45:12 PM
Double post.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on November 27, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Who are you and why do you have a copy of the album already?

/jealous
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 01:29:53 PM
Who are you and why do you have a copy of the album already?

/jealous

Just another journalist who happens to hear some music some time before it gets released. Nothing more.  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 27, 2016, 04:27:08 PM
(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15203238_10210967175926096_1378560238919844304_n.jpg?oh=2d2470e5f82cb8188946fde516815dbf&oe=58C5AE9C)

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15202563_10210967176486110_5450789110149727291_n.jpg?oh=eece838c9feb2d6adaf881593d39b983&oe=58BA172A)

Filming the video for the second single. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 27, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
So judging from the first picture, I can assume this song is a piano driven ballad?


Also nice to see Daniel still owns a shirt haha.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on November 28, 2016, 01:34:23 AM
Hearing that the last two tracks are sort of your favourites is good. I had some doubts about a 15 minutes song of PoS, it is a lot for them. It's like reading a 30+ minutes track of a Dream Theater album (I don't feel Six Degrees as a unique piece)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 28, 2016, 10:34:39 AM
Who are you and why do you have a copy of the album already?

/jealous

Just another journalist who happens to hear some music some time before it gets released. Nothing more.  :D

if only their people were aware of my blog, although I wouldn't promise a review necessarily (but just info/details, etc) given I've been keeping my blog more or less Pro-Bono for a decade. However, I have been sent promos a bit here and there, but I don't go out of my way to request them. Maybe I should though?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on November 28, 2016, 11:12:58 AM
Who are you and why do you have a copy of the album already?

/jealous

Just another journalist who happens to hear some music some time before it gets released. Nothing more.  :D

if only their people were aware of my blog, although I wouldn't promise a review necessarily (but just info/details, etc) given I've been keeping my blog more or less Pro-Bono for a decade. However, I have been sent promos a bit here and there, but I don't go out of my way to request them. Maybe I should though?

Of course, you totally should! They have so many press relations that it's hard to remember them all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 03, 2016, 05:55:43 PM
But remember that bands always have these "hook phrases" when promoting a new album, to do exactly that: hook you in. Then the album comes and more often than not it's not *quite* as up there as the band's pre-release statements would suggest.

True that. This time it's heavy though... Like almost djent-y riffs and breakdowns here and there. :)

Djent-y does not excite me :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 06, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on December 07, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
Where can the album be pre-ordered?  I can't seem to find any mention of pre-orders on the band's facebook page.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on December 07, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.
I find it hard to surpass Remedy Lane or BE. I hope Daniel's vocals got better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 07, 2016, 12:53:54 PM
Where can the album be pre-ordered?  I can't seem to find any mention of pre-orders on the band's facebook page.

Burning Shed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on December 07, 2016, 02:26:23 PM
Where can the album be pre-ordered?  I can't seem to find any mention of pre-orders on the band's facebook page.

Burning Shed.

Thanks!  No bundles with a t-shirt?  I'm a bundle man.  Every band should bundle.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 07, 2016, 09:05:25 PM
new interview with Daniel by That Drummer Guy (JRundquist on the DTF)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWEB1vNpQa4
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
new interview with Daniel by That Drummer Guy (JRundquist on the DTF)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWEB1vNpQa4

I don't have time to listen to a 50 minute interview. But for those that do, could someone point out the highlights?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 08, 2016, 08:22:39 AM
Skimmed through it, the interview is not very much about the new album, more about personal stuff for Daniel

-The album is mostly about the first day in the hospital when things weren’t going well and he was scared of dying, not about the whole 4 months
- full throttle tribe is about missing the old band lineup
- The demo tracks for the limited edition were done all by Ragnar/Daniel
- long talk about recovering from the illness
- long talk about parkour with some very in depth discussion about doing a backflip

Wish there was more new album talk but it was cool
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mike099 on December 09, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I just now got into listening to POS and bought Discovering POS for 15.00 including shipping on Amazon.  There are 5 cd's in the set:

Entropia, One Hour, The Perfect Element pt. 1, Remedy Lane and 12:5

Great Deal!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 09, 2016, 06:28:24 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.
I find it hard to surpass Remedy Lane or BE. I hope Daniel's vocals got better.

Well, I don't like Remedy nor BE so...different strokes...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on December 09, 2016, 06:53:31 PM
I just now got into listening to POS and bought Discovering POS for 15.00 including shipping on Amazon.  There are 5 cd's in the set:

Entropia, One Hour, The Perfect Element pt. 1, Remedy Lane and 12:5

Great Deal!
That's a hell of a deal. Those are their best five albums, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on December 09, 2016, 07:23:12 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.
I find it hard to surpass Remedy Lane or BE. I hope Daniel's vocals got better.

Well, I don't like Remedy nor BE so...different strokes...
What albums do you like?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2016, 07:24:08 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.
I find it hard to surpass Remedy Lane or BE. I hope Daniel's vocals got better.

Well, I don't like Remedy nor BE so...different strokes...

Woah. That's a first! Usually the argument is where Remedy falls in someone's top 3 (number 2 for me) but I've never come across a PoS fan that didn't like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 09, 2016, 08:45:13 PM
I think Remedy Lane's just bound to be a favorite because it's the most complete realization of the style that resonates best with the majority of their fanbase.  I think it's great but there are some things about it that bother me a good bit.  (awkward double instrumental, Rope Ends which I never liked at all)

I don't know what to expect from this new album cause there's so many new factors.  Full of instrumentalists we've never heard before outside of an acoustic album and someone other than Daniel writing music for pretty much the first time since Entropia
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2016, 08:51:32 PM
Yea, putting the Remedy Lane track where it is, is definitely an odd choice.

I think the only part of RL I still really can't get into is the chorus to Fandango.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nikatapi on December 10, 2016, 04:18:43 AM
Skimmed through it, the interview is not very much about the new album, more about personal stuff for Daniel

-The album is mostly about the first day in the hospital when things weren’t going well and he was scared of dying, not about the whole 4 months
- full throttle tribe is about missing the old band lineup
- The demo tracks for the limited edition were done all by Ragnar/Daniel
- long talk about recovering from the illness
- long talk about parkour with some very in depth discussion about doing a backflip

Wish there was more new album talk but it was cool

And what a song that is, probably the best on the album.
From the times i've listened to it, i wouldn't say that it's like Remedy Lane or TPE, more like in the vein of Scarsick with Road Salt melodies and vibe.

It's definitely heavy though, and a good mix of old and new.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: elyster on December 10, 2016, 09:50:02 AM
Houston date announced for February 14th on their Facebook page.   Only one announced so far.

And its only 2 hours away.  :tup

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 10, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Niiice.  So they are doing an American tour, thank God.  A small part of me feared another "embargo" when Trump was elected in
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Skimmed through it, the interview is not very much about the new album, more about personal stuff for Daniel

-The album is mostly about the first day in the hospital when things weren’t going well and he was scared of dying, not about the whole 4 months
- full throttle tribe is about missing the old band lineup
- The demo tracks for the limited edition were done all by Ragnar/Daniel
- long talk about recovering from the illness
- long talk about parkour with some very in depth discussion about doing a backflip

Wish there was more new album talk but it was cool

And what a song that is, probably the best on the album.
From the times i've listened to it, i wouldn't say that it's like Remedy Lane or TPE, more like in the vein of Scarsick with Road Salt melodies and vibe.

It's definitely heavy though, and a good mix of old and new.

Scarsick and Road Salt mixture?

Sadly what I expected, but not what I was hoping for. Ah well. I'll check it out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 11, 2016, 07:52:14 AM
Every interview/press release talks about how complex it is so I have a hard time picturing it being too much like Scarsick..

That said Scarsick music could be fine just no Scarsick lyrics.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nikatapi on December 11, 2016, 12:22:32 PM
Scarsick and Road Salt mixture?

Sadly what I expected, but not what I was hoping for. Ah well. I'll check it out.

Well not exactly, mostly in the more organic sound. But i can definitely draw some parallels. Just don't expect TPE or RL sound. It's heavy, it's definitely progressive (time signatures and syncopation that we love about the band) but at the same time it's very different.

Definitely check it out, it's a very interesting album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 11, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Houston date announced for February 14th on their Facebook page.   Only one announced so far.

And its only 2 hours away.  :tup

I hope it includes a lot of dates; but per they being on Cruise to the Edge February 7-11, a Houston date on the 14th isn't too surprising.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jester on December 11, 2016, 03:32:23 PM
Is meaningless the only release from the new album so far?  I didn't love the song, but I will listen to the next few releases before writing it off as nothing to get excited about.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 11, 2016, 05:01:46 PM
Scarsick and Road Salt mixture?

Sadly what I expected, but not what I was hoping for. Ah well. I'll check it out.

Well not exactly, mostly in the more organic sound. But i can definitely draw some parallels. Just don't expect TPE or RL sound. It's heavy, it's definitely progressive (time signatures and syncopation that we love about the band) but at the same time it's very different.

Definitely check it out, it's a very interesting album.

You could tell me the album was Daniel pissing inside a piano while chanting about his gigantic penis (which I haven't ruled out the possibility of him doing eventually) and I'd still check it out day of release.

I might not like it, but I'll always check it out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on December 12, 2016, 06:19:53 AM
Scarsick and Road Salt mixture?

Sadly what I expected, but not what I was hoping for. Ah well. I'll check it out.

Well not exactly, mostly in the more organic sound. But i can definitely draw some parallels. Just don't expect TPE or RL sound. It's heavy, it's definitely progressive (time signatures and syncopation that we love about the band) but at the same time it's very different.

Definitely check it out, it's a very interesting album.

You could tell me the album was Daniel pissing inside a piano while chanting about his gigantic penis (which I haven't ruled out the possibility of him doing eventually) and I'd still check it out day of release.

I might not like it, but I'll always check it out.
The music or his gigantic penis?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on December 14, 2016, 06:29:27 AM
First review (Apparently - and suprisingly -  a realistic one?):https://www.rocking.gr/reviews/album/Pain-Of-Salvation-In-The-Passing-Light-Of-Day/7098

Google translator:

The course of Pain Of Salvation as reflected in their music development and through the decisions of their mastermind mind of Daniel Gildenlow, is at the same time chaotic and totally logical. Suffice someone is willing to follow the beliefs and the coherence of artistic concerns profess it.

But, they employ us sworn fans of the music of Pain Of Salvation and Daniel as personality. For all other enough to be moving another excellent album, which - like almost every album of this band - has its own special history.

Almost a decade ago, Daniel felt the need to move away from the progressive metal sound and to turn the music of the band to more organic and '70s paths, which paid off with two delicious "Road Salt" albums. Although this change seemed more permanent tensions and the members departures led to an even mandatory reboot, with almost total change of line-up, which also affected the musical band.

Some, perhaps, have the feeling that all these turbulences due to the fact how Daniel runs the band with the blacksmith punch, but is not at all so. Proof of this, how o Ragnar Zolberg, this petit and effeminate Icelander, has already become the wingman that Daniel sought from the time of Daniel Magdic and the first two albums of the band.

So, the first factor that determines the new album is that the line-up stabilized with the "old» Leo Margarit on drums, the Ragnar on guitars and vocals, the Daniel Karlsson be moved on keyboards and bass take the Gustaf Hielm. This is a very strong technical composition, while seems to have a calm and restore balance to the band.

The second factor was the crush of Daniel with death. Almost three years ago, he introduced rushed to the hospital to deal with a rare disease, a bacterium that ate the flesh. He had to undergo dangerous surgery and spent months in hospital, and the future seemed uncertain. Eventually, he managed to emerge stronger at all levels, but such a personal experience could only be watered in the medulla always sharp and highly personal content of the lyrics. In fact the lyrics are that largely determine the value of this album.

The third factor has to do with an offer accepted by the Prog Power festival in 2014, for a special look that would include the entire "Remedy Lane", which also accepted. At the same time they staged a reissue of the album with new mix and master, and eventually all this revival of "Remedy Lane" pushed the new material to the (at most) "golden" era of the band. That the principles of '00s.Toulachiston, it claimed its creators ...

It is, therefore, the "In The Passing Light Of Day" a dip in the past? Yes and no. From the first seconds of "On A Tuesday" it is understood that returned the heavy guitars and technical play. Or to put it more simply, returned the prog metal music of Pain Of Salvation. However, when during the 10-minute song starting things calm down, it becomes clear that the band substrate continues to be more organic, closer to the '70s sound of the previous two albums. More like a combination of two worlds, despite a unilateral return to the past, which eventually applies throughout the album. Lyrically, Daniel restores intense personal information of older easements, seeking the reasons that motivate the human species (and the same) to continue to strive for something seemingly futile.

Thereafter, the "Tongue Of God" just like the composition dreamed those excited by the theoretical return to "classic" sound of the band. Progressive approach staccato rhythms, double vocals with strong contribution from Ragnar and a Daniel more pissed off than ever messes with gods and demons. Fantastic!

Regarding "Meaningless", is a song that sticks in the mind and therefore you could say that is the role of "Barker". It is by far the most catchy cuts on the album, and composition of Ragnar has himself to interpret much of. They welcome decided to work on it and to include it in the album.

Curiously, the "Silent Gold" does not stick with any other composition in the album. It's a '70s ballad organic, which seems to have come straight from the "Road Salt" and is essentially a song by Daniel to his wife. But it is beautiful and gives a nice breath of the total flow.

Instead, the "Full Throttle Tribe" brings us back to prog metal molds, heavy guitars and technical play. Approaching and that ten minutes, is one of the strongest moments of the album, with a very special and particular chorus lyrics, as Daniel decides to explain what it's made and how it has taken a decision to see things in this life.

And the "Reasons" is probably the most prog metal song of the album and definitely the most special. With tremendous rate variations, polyphonic melodies, erotoapantiseis in verse and a nervous outburst from Daniel when listing the reasons crushes are already among my favorite album compositions.

The next triplet tracks is an audio link, which would describe as a mix of roughness "Scarsick" and organic play of "Road Salt", but with one of their own nature. In any case, however, in all three compositions by Daniel puts the knife a little deeper and twist it a little ache.

In "Angels Of Broken Things" talks about all these things that the constant pain managed to wear out and probably wondering if indeed what does not kill you makes you stronger or leaves broken eventually. By contrast, in "Taming Of The Beast" puts the alter ego of the surface, Icarus wants to reach in the sun even if burned and how hard it is to tame the "monster" lurking within. In particular, "If This Is The End" flirting with the idea that everything can be finished prematurely and faced with determination, but also with anger and irony.

All these lead to the grand finale of the 15-minute job eponymous song, similar song which certainly have not rewrite the Pain Of Salvation. He starts and ends calmly, strengthening the intermediate and is ultimately an ode by Daniel in life and in love, full of lyricism and emotions. Without becoming melodramatic or pedestrian, in the end leaves a sunbeam to penetrate and to recall how the long road of life there is an informal balance. Pain (pain) generously provided and we ourselves who must eventually find ourselves redemption (salvation) through it.

When you boot into the Pain Of Salvation, the vision of Daniel Gildenlow was to make the biggest band in the world. The child that grew and the dream died, but at the same time achieved something equally important: to offer a group of people a special link emotions with his music. And if the "In The Passing Light Of Day" is not the stuff of greatness of some earlier work, is irrelevant. Because, offers something different and gave back this link, which please forgive me if you do not spell it quite convincingly - I do not know if possible.

Maybe it takes time to indulge in a musical band or the temperament of Gildenow perhaps requires attention to the lyrics, maybe nothing of all this for some. Whatever you require, however, it is worth it. The music of Pain Of Salvation and return it to the above. The "In The Passing Light Of Day" is no exception.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PM
I feel like everyone who has heard the new album has specifically hyped up Full Throttle Tribe.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mike099 on December 15, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
P0S newbie. After listening to the first 4 cd 's:
Remedy lane is my initial favorite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on December 15, 2016, 03:23:03 PM
P0S newbie. After listening to the first 4 cd 's:
Remedy lane is my initial favorite.
A fine choice, and one that many here will agree with. For me it's a close second to The Perfect Element. And you're still in for a treat if you haven't listened to 12:5 yet!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 15, 2016, 03:29:30 PM
P0S newbie. After listening to the first 4 cd 's:
Remedy lane is my initial favorite.
A fine choice, and one that many here will agree with. For me it's a close second to The Perfect Element. And you're still in for a treat if you haven't listened to 12:5 yet!

I agree with every word of this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on December 15, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
P0S newbie. After listening to the first 4 cd 's:
Remedy lane is my initial favorite.

Out of the first four albums, I agree.

Now listen to BE and prepare to be amazed :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on December 15, 2016, 04:52:51 PM
Heh, Remedy Lane is probably my least favorite out of the first 4. Still a good album though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 15, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
BE and RS1 are my favorites but the remix of Remedy Lane put it in third
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 16, 2016, 01:48:01 AM
Nothing beats The Perfect Element but Remedy Lane and Entropia come close.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on December 16, 2016, 03:02:23 AM
The review is borderline unreadable thanks to Google Translate :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 16, 2016, 03:28:07 AM
Yeah, does anyone know what "erotoapantiseis" is?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on December 16, 2016, 08:44:24 AM
Probably the same as "whahibrido pickingant".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 16, 2016, 09:47:41 AM
You're probably right.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on December 16, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
Yeah, does anyone know what "erotoapantiseis" is?
I don't know, but it sounds HOT.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 16, 2016, 03:06:40 PM
Nothing beats The Perfect Element but Remedy Lane and Entropia come close.

I'm more or less of this feeling, although I would put Remedy Lane above Entropia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on December 16, 2016, 07:41:17 PM
So, I apparently received the new Pain of Salvation about a month ago and just have been so busy I've not updated everything. Finally grabbed it today. I'm not going to pretend I'll be able to get a full review done in time so I'll just throw a few thoughts out here.

When you watch Meaningless you might think it's a little out there or jarring compared to the relative smoothness of the Road Salt albums. When you hear the two tracks that come before it you won't be nearly as jarred. After that the album has its moments of eclecticness, but not to the degree of the opening trio. It has its heavier moments, but doesn't ever sound like Scarsick, it's never quite that straight forward in its heaviness, or intention to be.

I would say at times it sounds a bit like one album or another, but I would not at any point say it sounds most like album x.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nikatapi on December 17, 2016, 01:25:43 AM
Yeah, does anyone know what "erotoapantiseis" is?

It's questions that are answered, like a dialogue. "Eroto" comes from "ερώτηση" which means question, "apantiseis" comes from "απαντήσεις" which means answers.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 17, 2016, 01:29:08 AM
Ok thank you, I thought it was just something google translator made up.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 20, 2016, 06:09:45 PM
https://www.metalwani.com/2016/12/review-pain-of-salvation-in-the-passing-light-of-day.html

here's one in english

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 20, 2016, 06:27:16 PM
I have a review copy as well and all I'll say is if you are a fan of anything before Road Salt, you should be very, very happy.  Like Nick said, it sounds like PoS, but you can't put the sound on any particular album.  The title track slays.
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Post by: Scorpion on December 21, 2016, 01:02:24 AM
I'm pumped! The album does sound really interesting and I hope that I'll like it as much as you guys and the reviewer do. I'm a tad disappointed to read that there are no solos, as the guitar solos on their first four albums are some of my favorites, but we'll see how it works in context.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2016, 04:30:53 AM
No solos at all?!  Errr.....that's really disappointing, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on December 22, 2016, 02:22:59 AM
Guys, there ARE guitar solos in the album. Of course, not as much as some of you would hope to hear but the progressive approach this time is different and doesn't make me miss them, personally. There is an epic guitar solo at the end of "Angels of Broken Things" that's like 2-minutes and a half, it's very heartfelt. Also a David Gilmour-ish short solo in the title-track.
Btw, prepare to be surprised with a slight reprise of Ending Theme (from Remedy Lane) at one point that's even cited as such in the album booklet.  ;)
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 22, 2016, 10:04:04 PM
"Reasons" seems to be on Itunes...

and on Spotify now
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Post by: Adami on December 22, 2016, 10:10:31 PM
Eh, wasn't impressed with the sample for Reasons, really sounded like Road Salt.

The production also sounds a lot like Road Salt, which is probably their worst album production wise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 22, 2016, 10:16:14 PM
this is probably the most abrasive song I've ever heard from them.  Not sure if I even like it yet.  Not getting the Road Salt vibes really.  Sounds kinda like something from their first two albums taken to extremes.
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Post by: Adami on December 22, 2016, 10:20:35 PM
this is probably the most abrasive song I've ever heard from them.  Not sure if I even like it yet.  Not getting the Road Salt vibes really.  Sounds kinda like something from their first two albums taken to extremes.

Did you hear the whole song? I just heard the 30 seconds or whatever preview on Itunes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 22, 2016, 10:21:10 PM
it's out on spotify
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on December 22, 2016, 10:22:50 PM
Video coming out today. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 22, 2016, 10:22:57 PM
it's out on spotify

Never used it. :( Ah well, I can wait the three weeks or whatever.

I think for that 30 seconds, the part that really hurt it for me was the production. Just screamed that whole "We're going vintage raw!!!" that so many bands do where it sounds super digital and terrible because they're trying hard to sound bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on December 22, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
I just listened and I don't think there's a single thing I like about "Reasons."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 22, 2016, 10:42:54 PM
I'm really put off by the "These are the reasons" chorus. 

I kinda feel like this song is too prog to the point of showing off, and that's something I've very rarely felt about their music.  I guess it would be impressive if they pulled it off live. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on December 22, 2016, 10:50:18 PM
Guys, my suggestion is to give it some time and don't make any conclusions about the album. "Reasons" is a quite aggressive song and its sound/lyrics are basically needed at this part of the album/story. It perfectly comes together when you listen to it all.

Anyway, can't wait to see the video today.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 22, 2016, 11:11:53 PM
I like it. I don't think it's great, but it will probably grow on me. I remember someone in this thread saying the album had some "djenty" riffs, well, I can definitely hear a couple of "djenty" riffs in Reasons. Also, I think it's a pretty simple song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on December 23, 2016, 01:43:26 AM
Wow, this is a really cool song. :metal I love it!

Doesn't really sound Road Salt to me, more like Entropia. Which is all right in my book. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on December 23, 2016, 03:27:18 AM
Video for the new song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_qZpLgvdOI

Daniel is as sexy as usual. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Train of Naught on December 23, 2016, 03:38:47 AM
After one listen, the only thing I can point out about it that stands out in a positive way are the backing vocals before the chorus, they're really good.

That chorus though, sorry I absolutely dislike that frantic rhythm, it sounds as if they strive to be as close to sounding a-rhythmic as possible.

Meaningless is still awesome though, I'm still hopeful about this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 23, 2016, 03:48:29 AM
"Video not available in your country"

Lovely
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Post by: Tomislav95 on December 23, 2016, 04:07:00 AM
It was weird but I liked it very much :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on December 23, 2016, 04:23:05 AM
I thought that song was really quite cool.

Actually got a 8VM Intervals vibe with the counting and rhythms and shit too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on December 23, 2016, 04:53:14 AM
I really liked it. Minus the "these are the reasons" and the counting part which I thought was quite bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 23, 2016, 06:19:05 AM
Btw, prepare to be surprised with a slight reprise of Ending Theme (from Remedy Lane) at one point that's even cited as such in the album booklet.  ;)

Man.. that sounds like it would have been so cool to hear without knowing that it was coming... so thanks a lot for ruining that for me/us  :tdwn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on December 23, 2016, 10:03:50 AM
I thought the new song was really good, wow. I'm hyped for this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on December 23, 2016, 10:05:59 AM
Thanks to Joe's quick and excellent work, I should have a review on When Prog and Power Unite this Monday. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
Didn't like the new song when I listened but the chorus/rhythm is very firmly stuck in my head now lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 23, 2016, 12:19:21 PM
Some parts of this song get super, super Korn. I can see where the Scarsick comparisons are stemming from. I suppose I can get used to them – took me a while, but I do like most of Scarsick these days. You just kinda... ignore most of the lyrics. Like Fear of a Blank Planet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on December 23, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
I think it's a really cool track :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 23, 2016, 02:52:36 PM
Anyway us lowly Americans can see the video?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
With a VPN

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 23, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
With a VPN

Ugh, I'm far too lazy for that. Ah well, not getting the best reviews anyway, I can wait.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 23, 2016, 04:37:52 PM
"Video not available in your country"

Lovely

It works in Canada. Weird...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on December 23, 2016, 04:41:04 PM
Try switching your location in YT, heard that works.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2016, 03:32:58 PM
New review: https://wpapu.com/review-pain-of-salvation-in-the-passing-light-of-day/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on December 27, 2016, 04:21:31 AM
I love the sound and production of the new album judging from the two singles. The only thing I didn't like is the "These are the reasons" part (but I like the "counting" section and the rest of the song). Reasons reminded me a bit the sound of The Congregation by Leprous, plus the obvious djent influence.

Now that they have incorporated djent in their sound I think there are no more genres for them to explore, they have tried everything :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on December 27, 2016, 05:45:36 AM
I like the sound overall but somehow it gets annoying after I listen to it a few times. It feels like it lacks dynamics, cranked up loudness.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on December 27, 2016, 10:11:02 AM
Kind of like the new tracks, Reasons definitely better than Meaningless. So Ragnar handles the ultra high vocals these days?

I didn't like the Road Salt albums that much, but I have to say 'Gone' is a fantastic track out of that period. That quiet breakdown in the middle of the track never ceases to give me goosebumps.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on December 27, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
Kind of like the new tracks, Reasons definitely better than Meaningless. So Ragnar handles the ultra high vocals these days?

I didn't like the Road Salt albums that much, but I have to say 'Gone' is a fantastic track out of that period. That quiet breakdown in the middle of the track never ceases to give me goosebumps.

I don't know why Gone it wasn't included in one of the Road Salt albums.. it is easily one of the best tracks of that period.

I was thinking about starting a Pain Of Salvation Survivor in 2017. I know that in 2013 Elite did one, I was watching the results last week. I prefer to announce it here than in the Polls/Survivor section, I don't know how many people read the Ongoing and Upcoming Survivor thread
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 28, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
For those of you concerned about the new album:  You haven't heard the best songs yet.  The three longest tracks are probably the three best, or at least 3 of the 4.  The title track has been stuck in my head all week.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 28, 2016, 10:09:23 PM
January 13th can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 28, 2016, 10:11:33 PM
For those of you concerned about the new album:  You haven't heard the best songs yet.  The three longest tracks are probably the three best, or at least 3 of the 4.  The title track has been stuck in my head all week.

I dunno, that doesn't give me much comfort. I might very well like the album.

I also haven't heard Reasons yet, since I don't do Spotify and the video isn't available in America for some reason.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on December 28, 2016, 10:18:55 PM
I also haven't heard Reasons yet, since I don't do Spotify and the video isn't available in America for some reason.
Come on, man. It's free and it'll take you 2 minutes to set it up. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 28, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
I also haven't heard Reasons yet, since I don't do Spotify and the video isn't available in America for some reason.
Come on, man. It's free and it'll take you 2 minutes to set it up. :lol

Hey, if I'm not willing to make that kind of effort for hookers, then I'm certainly not for internet radio.




Fiiiiiine.


Did it, listening now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on December 28, 2016, 11:48:55 PM
Spotify is pretty shitty if you don't pay. I was listening to some Death and in between I get some crappy pop/dance ads of all things. CIA torture tactics right there, good thing that they had a promotion to get premium for a few months only for 1euro or something like that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 28, 2016, 11:57:37 PM
Oh yea, forgot to comment.


Didn't like the song. The first verse (not the reasons part) was pretty cool, but the rest was a big old pile of meh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 30, 2016, 02:30:47 PM
something kinda interesting to follow:  a while back Daniel made a post saying something to the effect of "a new band is born" and since then there's been some pics here and there of him getting together with some old members of the band.  (Magdic, Hallgren, Langell)

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.magdic.5/posts/10211718929111154

are we gonna have two Pain of Salvations soon??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2016, 02:33:31 PM
Honestly, you get Fredrick and Kristopher in that project and you have my attention.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 30, 2016, 04:58:40 PM
Fredrik appears to also be involved (was in one of the earlier pictures)

Kristoffer IDK but I assume not cause I don't think he lives in Sweden
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 31, 2016, 07:14:29 AM
Kristoffer lives happily in Holland (The Netherlands), so that would be inpractical. But exciting news to say the least. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on January 02, 2017, 05:16:42 AM
The Pain Of Salvation survivor has begun with the first round of Entropia. Check out the Polls/Survivors section :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 03, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
Finally got to see the video for Reasons (and listen to the song for a 2nd or 3rd time in the process).

I have to say that the video was surprisingly fitting for the song.

That said, I still really don't like the song. I like the first verse (what Bout to Crash calls the interview section) but I'm pretty sure I don't like every other thing about the song. This might actually be, in my opinion, the worst PoS song thus far. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on January 04, 2017, 12:01:10 AM
Tastes are funny. I absolutely love Reasons.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on January 04, 2017, 02:44:24 AM
This might actually be, in my opinion, the worst PoS song thus far. :(
Nah, that goes to pretty much anything from RS1,2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on January 04, 2017, 03:23:44 AM
Tastes are funny.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on January 04, 2017, 03:25:00 AM
On another note, I got a promo copy of the new album and I'm liking it a lot. Not up there with Be/TPE, but I'd maybe have it in my second tier along with Remedy Lane and the Road Salts.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Train of Naught on January 04, 2017, 03:35:07 AM
Just came here to say that after 1 listen, I think it's a great album. Between all the epics, my true standout ended up being the 3 minute ballad "Silent Gold", it's beautiful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 04, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
Been listening to the whole record the last few days as I received a promo for my blog.

I suppose it can be reserved for when it gets released, but at least the version I'm hearing, the song "The Taming of the Beast" the distorted instrumental rhythm that is used in the beginning and then at points brought back later in the song, is eerily similar to the Gang-Vocal Chorus in the fantastic Cloud Cult track "Sleepwalker"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1R5xUkB2nc

Also the lyrics in "If this is the End" talking about "cutting to the bone" I can't forget Meredith from Oceansize "Oh, how I'd Cut You to the bone."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 04, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
the title track is an easy candidate for best PoS song
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on January 04, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
Meaningless also has that "I need something cutting to the bone" line.

I've also got a promo, will give it a listen today. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on January 04, 2017, 02:31:49 PM
I feel like the only man in the world who has not listened to the album yet :-\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 04, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
I feel like the only man in the world who has not listened to the album yet :-\

I've only heard the two released tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: home on January 04, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
I feel like the only man in the world who has not listened to the album yet :-\

I've only heard the two released tracks.
+1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2017, 03:38:56 PM
I feel like the only man in the world who has not listened to the album yet :-\

I've only heard the two released tracks.
+1

Same.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 04, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
I feel like the only man in the world who has not listened to the album yet :-\

I've only heard the two released tracks.
+1

Same.

As roadrunner would say... soon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 04, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
Why do so many people think that Ragnar is a girl?  At first I thought it was just a derogatory joke, but after official reviews and comments on new material/etc. have come out it seems like a fairly common genuine misunderstanding.  Shouldn't everyone in the metal realm be used to long haired dudes who sing high? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on January 04, 2017, 10:34:41 PM
WTF. He might go really high, but he doesn't sound like a girl at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on January 04, 2017, 11:14:12 PM
Just listened to the song "Gone" from the Linoleum EP. Why the hell didn't they include it on one of the Road Salt albums? It's better than most of the songs on those 2 albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 04, 2017, 11:14:40 PM
Just listened to the song "Gone" from the Linoleum EP. Why the hell didn't they include it on one of the Road Salt albums? It's better than most of the songs on those 2 albums.

Really is. Has it ever been played live?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2017, 04:54:23 AM
I love that version of Mortar Grind on that EP too.  Better mix.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on January 05, 2017, 06:31:55 AM
Just listened to the song "Gone" from the Linoleum EP. Why the hell didn't they include it on one of the Road Salt albums? It's better than most of the songs on those 2 albums.

Really is. Has it ever been played live?

No, according to setlist.fm. But "If You Wait" has been played 13 times. Strange choice.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 05, 2017, 08:01:56 AM
I don't think Gone would conceptually fit at the end of either RS1 or RS2 though it is great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 05, 2017, 09:46:27 AM
Also I guess they want to keep the Linoleum Ep with something really good and exclusive.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 05, 2017, 11:19:47 AM
Also I guess they want to keep the Linoleum Ep with something really good and exclusive.

That song is probably why they released the EP. Too good not to release.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 05, 2017, 11:56:14 AM
Didn't they release the EP because SPV went bankrupt and therefore the Road Salt records were postponed and they wanted to give the fans something to tie them over?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on January 08, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
Okay, I did listen to this album once, and I'm not sure if this is just the excitement that we finally have new studio material from PoS or anything else, but holy shit this album is so good. Definitely better than anything post Remedy Lane, in my opinion, and that's after just one listen. I have a feeling it's going to get even better. I had low expectations for this and I'm pretty much floored at how good this album is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tyrias on January 08, 2017, 08:05:45 AM
It's been a while since I've been excited for a new release and I honestly didn't think I would be excited for this one. Turns out I was pretty wrong, and all the great reviews are not really dimming my excitement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 08, 2017, 12:04:18 PM
Okay, I did listen to this album once, and I'm not sure if this is just the excitement that we finally have new studio material from PoS or anything else, but holy shit this album is so good. Definitely better than anything post Remedy Lane, in my opinion, and that's after just one listen. I have a feeling it's going to get even better. I had low expectations for this and I'm pretty much floored at how good this album is.

Sounds very promising then :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
To those that have heard the new album, where would you rank the two already released songs among the other songs of the album?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Train of Naught on January 08, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
They hold up well. Meaningless is still awesome and Reasons is definitely way better when you listen to the album, imo.

Though I find it hard to rank the songs at this point, only halfway done with my second listen right now. I think my favourite songs are Silent Gold and The Passing Light of Day. The 2 singles I find pretty similar in quality at the moment, probably would rank them around #5 and #6, out of the 10 tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2017, 12:41:04 PM
The 2 singles I find pretty similar in quality at the moment, probably would rank them around #5 and #6, out of the 10 tracks.

This doesn't inspire me.

Ah well, album comes out soon and I can give it a proper listen and judgement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on January 08, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
I really shouldn't be ranking songs after only one listen, but if I have to, I'd say Full Throttle Tribe is definitely my #1. I liked Reasons a lot when it came out and it's just a lot more awesome in context of the album so I'd probably say it's my #3 or #4, and I'd actually say Meaningless is probably #6 or #7.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on January 08, 2017, 10:55:37 PM
Silent Gold wouldn't sound out of place on a Adele album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on January 10, 2017, 03:53:40 AM
OMG OMG OMG I got the vinyl today!

Apparently I'm still late to the party, despite being earlier than the official release date. Shame I can't really play it until tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on January 10, 2017, 09:49:51 AM
Almost finished first listen. It's heavy and primal, love it. Sounds like they didn't use a click track, the drums sound loose and flexible instead of stuck to a grid. And not a weak song on it, top notch melodies, arrangements. Emotionally powerful as anything on their best albums, some parts of this album are incredibly intense. The style isn't exactly The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane, but either way this album should be hitting fans of those albums really hard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 10, 2017, 06:16:21 PM
Almost finished first listen. It's heavy and primal, love it. Sounds like they didn't use a click track, the drums sound loose and flexible instead of stuck to a grid. And not a weak song on it, top notch melodies, arrangements. Emotionally powerful as anything on their best albums, some parts of this album are incredibly intense. The style isn't exactly The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane, but either way this album should be hitting fans of those albums really hard.

I've been saying the exact same thing
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 11, 2017, 06:47:32 AM
Nearly through the first listen (currently on The Taming of a Beast), and I'd say that the two tracks released beforehand are easily the two weakest of the bunch - Meaningless is a little too one-dimensional for my tastes and Reasons doesn't work that well for me; it's a bit better in the context of the album, but still my least favourite so far.

On a Tuesday, Silent Gold and Angels of Broken Things are the standouts so far, but I'm really digging this album anyway. I'm not usually one to notice production, but I think this album also sounds really good, which certainly doesn't hurt.

If the remaining tracks are of similar quality, and the album holds up on repeated listens, then I could see this entering my Top 5 PoS albums. It's already ahead of Scarsick, that's for sure, but it might beat the Road Salts and BE - maybe even OHBTCL if it grows on me further.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2017, 09:02:52 AM
I finished my first listen through and my impression is that it's really excellent.  I'm anticipating that a lot of fans being told that they were gonna get the return they've been asking for are gonna be disappointed.  At the same time it could win over new fans.   My best description is that musically and conceptually it is kinda like Remedy Lane's gritty and world-weary cousin.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 11, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
I really shouldn't be ranking songs after only one listen, but if I have to, I'd say Full Throttle Tribe is definitely my #1.

After many listens that has remained my favorite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 11, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
I finished my first listen through and my impression is that it's really excellent.  I'm anticipating that a lot of fans being told that they were gonna get the return they've been asking for are gonna be disappointed. 

Yes and no. While the album certainly does not sound like any old album, or the older era in general, it certainly is more familiar than the Road Salt albums.

As I think Joe talked about in his review (shameless re-plug: https://wpapu.com/review-pain-of-salvation-in-the-passing-light-of-day/), I also find it's a nice mix of old elements while still moving forward.

Edit: RE: that review, thanks for the additional post to PoS about it, they and InsideOut both posted it after that. :D)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 11, 2017, 10:55:30 AM
After one listen, On a Tuesday is my favourite. Subject to change in the future of course, but that song is just magical.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on January 11, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
I finished my first listen through and my impression is that it's really excellent.  I'm anticipating that a lot of fans being told that they were gonna get the return they've been asking for are gonna be disappointed. 

Yes and no. While the album certainly does not sound like any old album, or the older era in general, it certainly is more familiar than the Road Salt albums.

As I think Joe talked about in his review (shameless re-plug: https://wpapu.com/review-pain-of-salvation-in-the-passing-light-of-day/), I also find it's a nice mix of old elements while still moving forward.

Edit: RE: that review, thanks for the additional post to PoS about it, they and InsideOut both posted it after that. :D)

I love how this review goes, especially there:

Quote
We get a break from what amounts to 20 minutes of grungy metal via “Silent Momentum”, a piano-driven ballad that features very well-performed and emotive vocals from Gildenlow.

Silent Momentum? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 11, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
I love how this review goes, especially there:

Quote
We get a break from what amounts to 20 minutes of grungy metal via “Silent Momentum”, a piano-driven ballad that features very well-performed and emotive vocals from Gildenlow.

Silent Momentum? :biggrin:

Dammit Joe... I missed that, I was busy fixing all the times he referred to "Full Throttle".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 11, 2017, 12:26:55 PM
Listening to "Silent Momentum" right now. Such a gorgeous song, I love Daniel's vocals here.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2017, 05:22:38 PM
the songs that didn't initially grab me are starting to click.  This fucking rules.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 11, 2017, 08:25:08 PM
The #1 Album on rateyourmusic.com's 2017 Albums Chart

https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2017
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on January 11, 2017, 08:31:46 PM
Cool. Probably won't stay there long though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on January 13, 2017, 02:16:40 AM
The album has been released on Spotify now. I've listened to almost all of it and I have to say, I love it.  :heart My favorite band does it once again. This is exactly what I hoped they would do. It doesn't sound like a rehash at all but rather a return to the mood and the sound I loved so much on their first albums. Daniel's singing sounds great and so does the production.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 13, 2017, 02:28:00 AM
Full Throttle Tribe is my favourite so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 13, 2017, 02:38:39 AM
Bought it. Will listen tomorrow. Wooooo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 13, 2017, 02:53:53 AM
Its nice to be able to finally listen to this thing.

The last POS album I actually enjoyed was BE. So after a long ass 13 years of him putting out stuff that I want nothing to do with, I am  happy with this new album. Its really decent.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on January 13, 2017, 03:23:16 AM
A great album with so much feeling... Loved it, and specially the references to Remedy Lane. Full Throttle Tribe, On A Tuesday and the title song are my favorites so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on January 13, 2017, 03:51:42 AM
By the way, I can recommend this podcast on Spotify with Daniel: https://spoti.fi/2igxrk2 (https://spoti.fi/2igxrk2).

What was really interesting to me was that Road Salt were never supposed to take up so many albums and time. It was supposed to be one returning to roots kind of album and then he wanted to continue with the heavy stuff. But because of the record label not wanting to release a double album and a lot of other problems, not to mention Daniel being in the hospital for 6 months, everything got really drawn out.

Daniel actually sounds really humble and honest here, a nice contrast to the arrogant person he usually sounds like.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on January 13, 2017, 10:13:36 AM
Just picked up the special edition. It features extensive photography and liner notes about the concept, about really a lot actually. Definitely worth picking this up instead of the regular edition.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on January 13, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
I listened late last night. I didn't pay very close attention, and I'll be revisiting it, but after one listen, I'd say it's the closest they've sounded to what I consider their golden era (first 4 albums) since, well, the first 4 albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 13, 2017, 03:08:02 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.

I called it
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 13, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
This new album is great in MANY MANY ways, I can see it being a favorite for many fans.

I called it

I haven't seen anyone say it's their favorite. Most people seem to like it and put it middle of the pack.

Unless you're saying you predicted that people would like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 13, 2017, 04:20:04 PM
I don't think many people are typically ready to pronounce it their favorite after being out one day.  I really like it but I'm not gonna say just how much I like it yet
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on January 13, 2017, 05:44:57 PM
I don't think many people are typically ready to pronounce it their favorite after being out one day.  I really like it but I'm not gonna say just how much I like it yet
I agree, I need more listens. On A Tuesday, Tongue Of God and the titletrack are my favourites at the moment
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 13, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Gave it one listen thus far.


Wow.....I actually expected a mediocre album at best, following the two less than great singles, but it's a really good album. Reasons is still my least favorite PoS song at the moment, but the rest of the album is strong.

RL strong? No. TPE strong? No. BE strong? No. But maybe OHBTCL strong.

I need to listen more to figure out which songs I like best, but I do remember that the 2nd half of the album isn't as strong as the first half (except the end of the title track which is incredible).



Doing my 2nd listen, and I love that main melody from Full Throttle Tribe. Mmmmmm. Though it does sound Ragnar written.

Also, this album seems to be mostly based around the idea of odd rhythms or pollyrhythms. However, these seem....different. I'm listening to them and for the life of me, I'm having trouble figuring out why they clearly sound odd. It's almost like they took 4/4 or 6/8 riffs and just....broke them. Bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 14, 2017, 03:36:02 AM
Been so excited for this release. TPE is one of the best albums ever for me and Remedy Lane is of course not very far behind. I liked Scarsick and Road Salt, but I was anticipating the return to metal roots.

I am so happy it's not a TPE or Remedy Lane copy in anyway, instead it's a fresh mix of the many styles they have tried over the years. The Road Salt elements really fits with the heavy parts. Also the new band sounds great. Ragnars voice is a great addition, like the fantastic vocal part in On a Tuesday ("I lost the way ..."). The skills are there and to be honest this can be the best lineup they have had. 5 years is a long time but it's been a good wait. The concept is great and the flow feels once again better and more consistent than Road Salt.

The passing light of day (song) was not what I expected. As a prog fan I always expect big dramatic epics but this one is instead calm and just heartwrenching. Anyway who have seen or looked at someone they love (and best friend) in a hospital know that feeling. Shit that song gives it hard. And that's what POS always added to prog metal, those damn feelings. No one can give it like Daniel.

Needs a couple of more spins but this is such a fresh awesome comeback I actually didn't expect. The new songs on Falling Home was not my cup of tea so I was expecting the worst.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2017, 06:35:51 AM
Title track on the new album is not only the best epic they've done but maybe their best song too
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 14, 2017, 10:13:40 AM
Listened to it for the first time. Sounds good but needs more time to sink in.

I find it interesting that all songs except one were written by Gildenlöw and Zolberg. All the previous records were mostly written by Daniel alone.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 14, 2017, 08:49:53 PM
not Iter Impius (Fredrik)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 14, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
not Iter Impius (Fredrik)

He said mostly, and Daniel wrote every other note of that damn album.

I think Madgik had a decent hand in song-writing on the first two albums, but Ragnorok Zoidberg certainly seems to have more than anyone else has.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: home on January 15, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
I am really loving the new album! Some of heavy riffs need a few listens to click due to the weird rhythms, but I really starting to like them. I agree with the people saying Reasons works better in the context of the album, I'm still not a fan of the counting part though.

On A Tuesday is my favourite after three listens so far, really love the dynamics in it. Also chiming in about the production, it's sounds so organic. Easily blows bot Road Salt albums and Scarsick out of the water for me!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 16, 2017, 08:30:14 AM
I can't remember being this addicted to a new album in a very long time. I've basically been listening to nothing else since Wednesday, and I'm still not the least tired of the new album. Even the songs that I initially didn't care for much (Full Throttle Tribe, Meaningless, Reasons) I'm slowly starting to appreciate. Such a well-rounded album, really, and the emotional depth is astounding.

Top 3:

1. On a Tuesday
2. The Passing Light of Day
3. Angels of Broken Things
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 16, 2017, 09:20:59 AM
Kinda funny6 I've seen lots of citing Angels as a favorite while it's the only one I ever feel like skipping. 

Definitely agree that the bookends are the best.  Taming of the Beast is also an easy favorite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2017, 10:17:37 AM
Kinda funny6 I've seen lots of citing Angels as a favorite while it's the only one I ever feel like skipping. 

Definitely agree that the bookends are the best.  Taming of the Beast is also an easy favorite.

If I had to pick my least favourite song from the album, I would probably go with Angels of Broken Things, too, even though it has an amazing guitar solo. But every song on the album is really strong. The Taming of the Beast was somewhere in the middle for me at first, but I absolutely love it now, probably my #2 or #3.

I can't stop listening to this album either, and I'm really happy with it. I honestly didn't expect such a quality album from PoS anymore.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 16, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Kinda funny6 I've seen lots of citing Angels as a favorite while it's the only one I ever feel like skipping.

Absolutely. The solo is amazing but the rest is a total chore to get through. Whatever Daniel wanted to get across with it, the offtime guitar playing just destroys the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 16, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
Got my copy of this album and I have listened to all songs except the title track.  A really interesting and kind of unique album really.  I don't get the hype of the sound going back old school, sounds like a slightly heavier Road Salt with some more metal elements which is fine by me.  But really, this is something different again from POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 17, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
Wow this album just gets better and better! Meaningless and Reasons sounds much better in the context of the album. TPE is like that as well. Take some of the song out of the album context and they are good, but put them in there and they become magic.

Full Throttle Tribe as well as Angels of Broken Things went from meh to awesome  :metal . This could over time become a favorite album from POS. RL have some of the best songs (Beyond the Pale, Fandango, Rope Ends, Trace of Blood) but doesn't flow and overall doesn't sound as good as TPE to me. This album I actually feel could be a better overall album or equal to RL for me. Time will tell I guess :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2017, 04:33:28 AM
Hmmm...didn't think much of the title track after one listen to be honest, but I'm sure is a grower.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 17, 2017, 05:23:43 AM
Hmmm...didn't think much of the title track after one listen to be honest, but I'm sure is a grower.

I'd say it's their best epic by far
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 17, 2017, 05:43:33 AM
I think it's a different type of closer, maybe not expected by most. It's not a classic prog/Dream Theater closer with grand symphonic elements and epic ending, instead it builds on emotions. I needed to listen again after first spin because I was expecting something else and couldn't fully appreciate it (even if I knew I liked it). Beyond The Pale and In The Passing Light of Day is like A Change of Seasons and Octavarium. Masterpieces in their own special ways ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 17, 2017, 11:55:47 AM
The title track just hit me.

Hard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2017, 03:26:05 PM
I think that's just what it was, I didn't expect it.  I'm sure it will grow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 21, 2017, 02:35:04 AM
Yup, still loving this album. Reasons and Meaningless have grown on me in a big way, especially the latter, and I've continued loving the rest of the album. Really, just a perfect album through and through, and it's definitely not getting old quickly for me - still enjoying it as much as I did when I first heard it.

Tentative rankings:

1. On a Tuesday
2. The Passing Light of Day
3. Angels of Broken Things
4. Full Throttle Tribe
5. If This Is the End
6. The Taming of a Beast
7. Silent Gold
8. Meaningless
9. Tongue of God
10. Reasons
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on January 21, 2017, 05:10:49 AM
1. The Passing Light of Day
2. On a Tuesday
3. Tongue of God
4. If This Is the End
5. Meaningless
6. Full Throttle Tribe
7. Reasons
8. Silent Gold
9. Angels of Broken Things
10. The Taming of a Beast

I'm not loving the album that much. To me it's just slightly better than Scarsick (and than Road Salts), which I always liked. There's no doubt it's a well written concept album, but apart from the closer and the first half of On A Tuesday I don't hear anything as special as the songs on the first five albums.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 23, 2017, 07:21:34 AM
1. The Passing Light of Day
2. On a Tuesday
3. Full Throttle Tribe
4. Angels of Broken Things

5. Meaningless
6. Tongue of God
7. Reasons
8. If This Is the End

9. Silent Gold

10. The Taming of a Beast

The only two songs I find a bit boring is Silent Gold and Taming of a Beast, otherwise wonderful songs. Silent Gold is actually good and I usually like songs with piano and soft vocals, but it's just not doing something special. Sisters would be the working variant for this type of song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on January 23, 2017, 08:28:18 AM
1. The Passing Light of Day
2. Full Throttle Tribe
3. On a Tuesday
4. The Taming of a Beast
5. Silent Gold
6. Tongue of God
7. Reasons
8. Angels of Broken Things
9. If This is the End
10. Meaningless
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on January 23, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
This album gets better and better with every listen.  Every day I find myself hooked on a different song. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on January 23, 2017, 10:55:41 AM
I should hate The Passing Light of Day (song) by now since I'm listening to it few times a day but still nothing, love it more with every listen :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Yea, the title track is amazing. I wouldn't put it passed Element of Beyond the Pale, but it's amazingly good.

My only real complaint, other than Reasons, is the production. It's a huge improvement over Road Salts, but it still sounds really thin. If this had the production of BE or the remixed RL, it would have been considerably more powerful.

Overall though, I love this album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
1. Do i even have to say it
2.  the taming of a beast (sex-hound daniel at his best)
3.  Silent Gold (best adele song)
4.  On a Tuesday (anyone else get a stranger things vibe from the buildup near the end)
5.  If this is the end (daniel sounds like i did during a recent constipation episode near the end.  great stuff)
6.  rockers don't bathe
7.  full throttle tribe (damn this song is great how did it end up here)
8.  tongue of god (kinda homoerotic, at least under the patriarchal assumption that god is a male)
9.  reasons ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT8II0JsDMg )
10.  Angels of broken things (not bad but i wouldn't miss it)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 23, 2017, 10:38:40 PM
1. On A Tuesday
2. The Passing Light Of Day
3. Tongue Of God
4. The Taming Of A Beast
5. Meaningless
6. Full Throttle Tribe
7. Angels Of Broken Things
8. If This Is The End

9. Silent Gold (nice, but kinda boring)



10. Reasons (holy hell do I hate this song)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 24, 2017, 01:09:29 AM
After a couple of listens I still don't know what to make of it. It is definitely good and growing but I'm not sure if it will reach the status of a great PoS record for me. It's not easy to get into and it's so dark and depressing and bleak, which is no surprise regarding the underlying theme.

It doesn't really sound like something else they've done. It's heavier and more prog than the Road Salts, the distorted guitars are more modern metal/Scarsick sounding than Element or Remedy Lane.

The production is good but sometimes, when there's a lot going own it gets a bit muddy, for instance the drums in Angels Of Broken Things (mainly the cymbals) that partly drown out the guitar solo.

Daniel sings very emotional, Ragnar has a good voice but on the high parts (like in Meaningless) he sounds a bit strained and screechy. Daniel's high singing always sounded better.

Anyway, I'm glad that Daniel's back again, that the band is active and puts out new music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 24, 2017, 05:02:51 AM
I really like this cd a lot, but also it's different from the style of the first 4 albums (although it has the prog and heaviness in common), and for my taste, those are still the best of PoS. In the production note, I think it's interesting the option Daniel is chosing for a more natural/real sound of the instrumentation, which is very unusual for almost all the recordings nowadays. In this aspect and if it's intentional, I think they have achieved a really good result with this album soundwise, much better than with the Road Salts (although I personally prefer a cleaner sound/recording, like on Scarsick, the best PoS souding album to me).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Scorpion on January 24, 2017, 05:10:56 PM
I have no clue what people complaining about the production are hearing that I'm not, but I'm glad that I don't. :) The album sounds great to me, and stuff like the main riff of On a Tuesday are about as far away from thin-sounding as I would ever expect anything to be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 24, 2017, 10:12:07 PM
Loving the album and glad I went with the Digibook version...
Love the spoken intros to the bonus tracks (demo versions)

Favorites so far On a friday and Meaningless
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 25, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
Well production is always subjective to the listener. Of course there are good and less good quality productions, but in this case it feels like they put a lot of effort and in the end it comes down to whether you like or not. Remedy Lane actually really needed that recent remix for me to be fully appreciated.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 25, 2017, 01:20:19 AM
As I stated above, I don't think the production is bad, in fact it's good, for instance I really like the drum sound, so natural and powerful. But it also has its flaws, it isn't perfect. I'm not really linking the guitar sound in some songs, to sterile and cold for my liking and sometimes when the whole band plays at full force the clarity gets lost. Everything overlaps everything else.

And yes, this is totally subjective.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 25, 2017, 01:22:16 AM
To be fair, I've not been a fan of most of PoS' production. It's usually tolerable, but never great really.

Entropia, RL, TPE, Scarsick are all tolerable, but not great.
BE and Remedy Lane remix are actually good.
Road Salts and OHBTCL are pretty bad.

I'd put the new album in the "tolerable, but not great" category.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on January 25, 2017, 01:26:50 AM
yeah ohbtcl sounds awful, one of the biggest reasons why i never listened to that one as much. what the hell happened between that one and entropia
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 25, 2017, 03:28:30 AM
I really like the RL Remix, it would be nice if they remixed the other albums too - at least TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on January 25, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
I really like the RL Remix, it would be nice if they remixed the other albums too - at least TPE.
I was thinking about this the other day, but actually I dunno. RL benefited so much because the new mix gave it more punch. TPE could potentially benefit similarly, but for all its sonic flaws the production creates some incredible climaxes which risk getting lost with a cleaner mix.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 25, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
I really like the RL Remix, it would be nice if they remixed the other albums too - at least TPE.
I was thinking about this the other day, but actually I dunno. RL benefited so much because the new mix gave it more punch. TPE could potentially benefit similarly, but for all its sonic flaws the production creates some incredible climaxes which risk getting lost with a cleaner mix.

The only major change I would make to TPE is the kick drum. When it's heavy (even barely) the kick drum is completely lost. Give it a good kick sound and boost it a bit, and the production works a lot better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 03, 2017, 06:38:10 PM
Man, I'm really loving this album.

Now that the lyrics are finally online I was able to listen to the album and read along, since it's hard to understand a lot of the words otherwise.


Wow. Lyrically, this is definitely at the same level of RL. It's just so beautiful. The title track is just one of the most genuine and heart warming love letters from a man to his wife, might have gotten a little weepy near the end. The rest of the lyrics are fantastic (except for the list part of Reasons, which is not great) and a true return to form, since I wasn't super impressed with the majority of lyrics on Scarsick or the Road Salts.

I won't rank the songs, but I can tell you the top 3 are obviously the three longest tracks, but unlike most of you, I'd put On a Tuesday as my number 1.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on February 03, 2017, 06:41:47 PM
And you were so pessimistic about it. Good for you.
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Post by: Adami on February 03, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
And you were so pessimistic about it. Good for you.

Hey man, I call things as I see them. I still think releasing a song from Zoidberg's old band and Reasons as the first two releases was a really bad call, luckily neither song is representative of the album.

PoS will always be my favorite band. So I always want to like what they do, but I can't make myself. Luckily, this is just a really good album.


Want me to start criticising the production?  :P
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Post by: Scorpion on February 04, 2017, 03:55:40 AM
I'm with you Adami, on On a Tuesday being my favourite. That opening riff is monstrous, and the outro section is amazing.

Yeah, I'm still really in love with this album. :heart Didn't think that PoS had an album of this caliber left in them, glad to have been proven wrong. :tup While there's not been much competition so far, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be my album of the year, I can't think of many albums in the last five years that have hit me as hard as this has.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 06, 2017, 08:39:10 AM
It is a very nice album but I'm not into the introduction of the 7 string chugs.  They're not bad and I think the production helps set them apart but the chug fatigue really sets in around Reasons.  In fact my favorite songs are probably the most Road Salt-esque.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 07, 2017, 06:06:46 AM
Misheard lyrics:

I may be stubborn of Hellstrom in stead of I may be stubborn and headstrong. Who is Hellstrom?   :lol
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Post by: Adami on February 07, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Misheard lyrics:

I may be stubborn of Hellstrom in stead of I may be stubborn and headstrong. Who is Hellstrom?   :lol

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/e3/Daimon_Hellstrom_(Earth-616)_from_Venom_Vol_2_23_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121014012007)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 08, 2017, 01:06:02 AM
Ah! Tack se micke!  :metal
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Post by: Herrick on February 12, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
The first half of the ablum is pretty good but the second half is lacking in the goodness. I think the last song is growing on me though.

Not a fan of Zolberg's child-like voice.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 12, 2017, 07:47:17 PM
I love Meaningless. Love everything about this song: the riffs, the drum playing, Zolberg's voice...kickass song!
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Post by: MinistroRaven on February 14, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Qs and As from PoS at CTTE

RECORDED BY JOEL BARRIOS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gvb6QVYNGw 
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 16, 2017, 07:26:50 AM
I hope the title track grows on me... what a colossal letdown. 

So far, On a Tuesday is my favorite by far. The rest is decent to good.

Right now I'd rank this album between Scarsick & The Road Salt stuff.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 16, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
I find the combination of If This Is The End and Passing Light Of Day just glorious, took some time, but now I'm really into it. The album as a whole isn't bad but I think it's more similar to Scarsick (maybe the more modern sounding guitars) than to Perfect Element or Remedy Lane.
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 16, 2017, 09:06:55 AM
Spending some time with the new album this week as I grabbed a ticket for their NYC show next weekend (always happy to see prog metal Jesus for $25) and it's growing on me. Early favorite is probably The Taming of a Beast. Also been listening to the Remedy Lane remaster and goddamn if that album isn't an absolute masterpiece.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 16, 2017, 12:28:31 PM
Spending some time with the new album this week as I grabbed a ticket for their NYC show next weekend (always happy to see prog metal Jesus for $25) and it's growing on me. Early favorite is probably The Taming of a Beast. Also been listening to the Remedy Lane remaster and goddamn if that album isn't an absolute masterpiece.

Great show in Dallas last night. The new songs sound great live.

Got to talk to Ragnar for a bit. Pretty cool down to earth guy. So that weird bagpipe sounding patch in the intro to Meaningless, he did it with his voice and a few other sounds...but it's mainly his voice.
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Post by: Adami on February 16, 2017, 01:16:01 PM
So that weird bagpipe sounding patch in the intro to Meaningless, he did it with his voice and a few other sounds...but it's mainly his voice.

(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/pwningwithpowershell-150725153308-lva1-app6892/95/pwning-with-powershell-22-638.jpg?cb=1437838947)
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 16, 2017, 01:32:09 PM
Meaningless has strangely crept into my list of favorites on the album
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Post by: Mebert78 on February 17, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Spending some time with the new album this week as I grabbed a ticket for their NYC show next weekend (always happy to see prog metal Jesus for $25) and it's growing on me. Early favorite is probably The Taming of a Beast. Also been listening to the Remedy Lane remaster and goddamn if that album isn't an absolute masterpiece.

I also saw options for a meet and greet.  Just $50 or $60.  Was tempted to grab one of those.  It's not every day you get a chance to meet Daniel.
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Post by: Herrick on February 17, 2017, 03:11:45 PM
Meaningless has strangely crept into my list of favorites on the album

Me too. I didn't think much of it when the video came out. I only listened to it once as I'm not really a fan of music videos. But I like how it fits in with the album and it stands up on its own too.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 17, 2017, 03:16:44 PM
Spending some time with the new album this week as I grabbed a ticket for their NYC show next weekend (always happy to see prog metal Jesus for $25) and it's growing on me. Early favorite is probably The Taming of a Beast. Also been listening to the Remedy Lane remaster and goddamn if that album isn't an absolute masterpiece.

I also saw options for a meet and greet.  Just $50 or $60.  Was tempted to grab one of those.  It's not every day you get a chance to meet Daniel.

You should go for it. I did and don't regret it. I spent most of the time talking to Ragnar. Daniel was held up by a female fan and she basicaly hoarded him for the rest of the meet and greet. I did get to snap a pic with DG and the whole band. And got the new album signed by the whole band as well.
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 17, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
Spending some time with the new album this week as I grabbed a ticket for their NYC show next weekend (always happy to see prog metal Jesus for $25) and it's growing on me. Early favorite is probably The Taming of a Beast. Also been listening to the Remedy Lane remaster and goddamn if that album isn't an absolute masterpiece.

I also saw options for a meet and greet.  Just $50 or $60.  Was tempted to grab one of those.  It's not every day you get a chance to meet Daniel.

Yeah, I saw that. Certainly reasonably priced compared to most other meet and greets. I guess I just don't think I'm enough of a fan to feel like purchasing it. Don't know what I'd talk with them about.

edit: plus, that leaves more time for drinking at Cooper's Kitchen beforehand :metal
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Post by: goo-goo on February 17, 2017, 03:38:33 PM
But be prepared for a long gig. In Dallas, there were two local opening bands, then District 97 (which kicked ass in so many ways) and PoS. Show started at 8 and PoS ended their set at 1230am. I don't think D97 is playing in NYC though.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on February 17, 2017, 05:14:40 PM
I wish they would have had a Philly date. Can't make it to NYC  :'(
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 17, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
But be prepared for a long gig. In Dallas, there were two local opening bands, then District 97 (which kicked ass in so many ways) and PoS. Show started at 8 and PoS ended their set at 1230am. I don't think D97 is playing in NYC though.

Yeah, sadly no District 97 for us. There are two opening bands listed and the show starts at 7, so hopefully not too late a night considering it's a Sunday night show.
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Post by: Nick on February 17, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
But be prepared for a long gig. In Dallas, there were two local opening bands, then District 97 (which kicked ass in so many ways) and PoS. Show started at 8 and PoS ended their set at 1230am. I don't think D97 is playing in NYC though.

Yeah, sadly no District 97 for us. There are two opening bands listed and the show starts at 7, so hopefully not too late a night considering it's a Sunday night show.

Who needs D97 when you get Next to None? :biggrin:
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 17, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
But be prepared for a long gig. In Dallas, there were two local opening bands, then District 97 (which kicked ass in so many ways) and PoS. Show started at 8 and PoS ended their set at 1230am. I don't think D97 is playing in NYC though.

Yeah, sadly no District 97 for us. There are two opening bands listed and the show starts at 7, so hopefully not too late a night considering it's a Sunday night show.

Who needs D97 when you get Next to None? :biggrin:

Wait, I swear they weren't on the bill like two days ago :lol
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Post by: Nick on February 18, 2017, 08:20:11 AM
But be prepared for a long gig. In Dallas, there were two local opening bands, then District 97 (which kicked ass in so many ways) and PoS. Show started at 8 and PoS ended their set at 1230am. I don't think D97 is playing in NYC though.

Yeah, sadly no District 97 for us. There are two opening bands listed and the show starts at 7, so hopefully not too late a night considering it's a Sunday night show.

Who needs D97 when you get Next to None? :biggrin:

Wait, I swear they weren't on the bill like two days ago :lol

They are now! How exciting! Having seen both Pain of Salvation and District 97 on the cruise I had no reason to go to the NYC show, but now it'll be tough to keep me away!
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Post by: Mebert78 on February 18, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
You should go for it. I did and don't regret it. I spent most of the time talking to Ragnar. Daniel was held up by a female fan and she basicaly hoarded him for the rest of the meet and greet. I did get to snap a pic with DG and the whole band. And got the new album signed by the whole band as well.

That's cool! How long was the meet and greet and how many hours before the show was it in your case? I'm all about getting pics with bands I love. Would be cool to meet Daniel too.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 18, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
You should go for it. I did and don't regret it. I spent most of the time talking to Ragnar. Daniel was held up by a female fan and she basicaly hoarded him for the rest of the meet and greet. I did get to snap a pic with DG and the whole band. And got the new album signed by the whole band as well.

That's cool! How long was the meet and greet and how many hours before the show was it in your case? I'm all about getting pics with bands I love. Would be cool to meet Daniel too.

It was close to an hour with about 10-12 people plus the band.

The meet and greet started at 645pm. Show (first opening band) started at 8pm. PoS went 3 hrs later.

I would check with the venue because at first, it was scheduled at 5pm, then it was moved until 630 the same day.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on February 19, 2017, 08:03:47 AM

One of the shows which blew people's minds during Cruise to the Edge is now here in 4K quality for you to re-live it. Many thanks to Rod Millan for helping me to record this and some other shows (You can listen to his voice near to the camera sometimes, a proof of how excited he was with this performance). Daniel Gildenlöw and his crew took the boat by storm... If you haven't check out their new album yet, you are missing out on a fantastic one!

Note: YouTube might tailor the quality according to your connection bandwidth, yet the whole thing can be watched at Ultra HD if you change the playback quality...

Credits to Joel Barrios

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_HHfxQC6Bc&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: pogoowner on February 19, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Awesome. Thanks for posting! That was a nice set.
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Post by: Adami on February 19, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Weird keyboard patch for that main melody in Full Throttle Tribe. Though maybe it was a mistake, but they kept using it.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on February 19, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
I listened to In the passing light of day a bunch upon release, but didn't listen to it again until today. Hot damn this is a great album.

The honeymoon period is over, the new car smell has dissipated. All that's left is one damn fine album  :metal
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Post by: MinistroRaven on February 19, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
Awesome. Thanks for posting! That was a nice set.

Your welcome.

Awesome set indeed
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Post by: Herrick on February 19, 2017, 10:22:52 PM
Weird keyboard patch for that main melody in Full Throttle Tribe. Though maybe it was a mistake, but they kept using it.

Yeah it didn't sound as good as the one on the album.

Was Zolberg drunk during this performance?
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Post by: Mebert78 on February 24, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Random question, but is Oceans of Slumber no longer opening for PoS on this tour? The tickets said they were opening when I bought it, but the venue's website now says Next to None. I've seen Next to None before, so I was hoping for Oceans. Oh well.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 24, 2017, 07:31:12 PM
Random question, but is Oceans of Slumber no longer opening for PoS on this tour? The tickets said they were opening when I bought it, but the venue's website now says Next to None. I've seen Next to None before, so I was hoping for Oceans. Oh well.

They didn't play Texas either. Not sure if the band couldn't do the tour last minute.
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Post by: Crow on February 26, 2017, 11:17:39 AM
finally actually spinning this & i'd say angels of broken things is def my least favorite, only track that doesn't do much for me at all
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Post by: Scorpion on February 26, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
I don't get the indifference towards Angels of Broken Things that you guys are feeling. I really like it, it's one of my favorites actually.
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Post by: Adami on February 26, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
I don't get the indifference towards Angels of Broken Things that you guys are feeling. I really like it, it's one of my favorites actually.

It's not bad, the 2nd half is really good actually, but the first half just doesn't offer a ton.
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Post by: goo-goo on February 26, 2017, 08:07:15 PM
Silent Gold is the weak track for me. I just can't get it.
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Post by: Adami on February 26, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
Personally I just can't get into the title track.

At all. What an awful song.
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Post by: Crow on February 26, 2017, 08:29:29 PM
wow  :loser:
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 26, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
Fun treat at the show tonight, Mike Portnoy played drums for Ashes :hat :metal
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 27, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
Reasons is the track I like the least. It's solid but nothing more. The title track in combination with If This Is The End is a grand closer to a really good album. Took some time for me, especially the title track, but when it hit, it hit hard.
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Post by: LordCost on February 27, 2017, 05:13:57 AM
The titletrack was the best one at first listen, but I don't listen to it often.
I hate The Taming Of The Beast and I'm indifferent to Silent Gold, the rest is good/great.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 27, 2017, 09:29:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Pkj6IPwMg

volume is pretty quiet but the performance is stunning
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Post by: axeman90210 on February 27, 2017, 10:15:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Pkj6IPwMg

volume is pretty quiet but the performance is stunning

The show last night was fantastic all around, the band really seemed into it (moreso than the sets on Cruise to the Edge, which weren't too shabby themselves). I'm sure it also helped that they'd had a bunch of shows in between playing the new material.
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Post by: Mebert78 on February 27, 2017, 01:12:50 PM
Here's a video with Portnoy on "Ashes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmfH4G6Qs94
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 07, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Rocking out to Entropia this evening. Its been Pos on constant rotation lately.

And I respect Be, but I have to be in the right mood. Iter Impius is incredibly beautiful though.
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Post by: axeman90210 on March 08, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
I've been on a big PoS kick since seeing them on the cruise and then at the NYC gig a few weeks later. Tons of spins for the new album, Remedy Lane, and TPE Vol 1, occasionally sprinkling the Road Salts in there as well. Tried to come back to BE as I haven't listened to it in a long time, and man do I just not like that album at all.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 08, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Be is a tough listen. Somedays I like it and somedays I don't.

With the exception of The taming of the beast, which I don't really like, I am madly in love with In the passing light of day  :hefdaddy
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Post by: pogoowner on March 08, 2017, 07:24:12 PM
Tried to come back to BE as I haven't listened to it in a long time, and man do I just not like that album at all.
Same here. It has basically none of what I loved about their previous albums. The new album beats the hell out of it.
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Post by: jammindude on March 08, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
BE is not something I can pull out to listen to my favorite tracks.   BE is a complete piece.   

It's amazing, but I take it more as "performance art" than a proper album of songs.   On that level, it's one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard.   By the time I get to the end of Summer's Rain, I'm near tears......but I'm 4 tracks in and feel like I've only heard *ONE proper SONG*...

So yeah, I get why it may not be everybody's thing, but I can not understand how people cannot love it as a piece of art if nothing else.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on March 08, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
Be is the ultimate grower. Didn't like it the first time, didn't like it much the next few times, then I started really liking it and now it's one of my favorite albums of all time.
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Post by: Nick on March 08, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
Be is the ultimate grower. Didn't like it the first time, didn't like it much the next few times, then I started really liking it and now it's one of my favorite albums of all time.

Been the better part of a decade and I still don't care for that album.
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Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2017, 03:26:38 AM
I think BE is absolutely incredible and one of the most original, awesome albums I've ever heard. But it ranks somewhere in the middle of their discography for me, which says a lot about how much I adore their work.

I took a break from their new album for a while, but it is absolutely incredible. Man, I love this band.  :heart
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 09, 2017, 03:48:29 AM
Be is the ultimate grower. Didn't like it the first time, didn't like it much the next few times, then I started really liking it and now it's one of my favorite albums of all time.

Been the better part of a decade and I still don't care for that album.

Yep, I appreciate the effort and I applaud them for trying something really different, and maybe it is art, maybe it is even glorious art, BUT: it does leave me cold, I find only a few song or pieces that I like to listen to. And because I file Pain Of Salvation as a music group this is where BE falls short for me, I just don't have the desire to listen to it, because the actual music don't work for me.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 09, 2017, 03:54:02 AM
Be is the ultimate grower. Didn't like it the first time, didn't like it much the next few times, then I started really liking it and now it's one of my favorite albums of all time.

Been the better part of a decade and I still don't care for that album.

Yep, I appreciate the effort and I applaud them for trying something really different, and maybe it is art, maybe it is even glorious art, BUT: it does leave me cold, I find only a few song or pieces that I like to listen to. And because I file Pain Of Salvation as a music group this is where BE falls short for me, I just don't have the desire to listen to it, because the actual music don't work for me.

This is probably closest to my opinion on BE. I appreciate and can understand what they were going for, but I just don't really care for a lot of the stuff on the album. Iter Impius is fantastic, and Lilium Cruentus and Nihil Morari are good, but beyond that, there's not really anything on the album that I ever feel like listening to, no matter how much I appreciate and respect PoS's artistic intentions.

Also, I recently had another listen to In the Passing Light of Day, and it's still a fantastic album, start to finish. :metal
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Post by: ariich on March 09, 2017, 03:59:29 AM
Be is incredible.
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Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2017, 06:59:32 AM
Be is incredible.
:heart
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Post by: Crow on March 09, 2017, 11:42:33 AM
I don't understand how anyone could hate on the title track of the new album
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
I don't understand how anyone could hate on the title track of the new album

Who does?
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Post by: Crow on March 09, 2017, 12:43:59 PM
Personally I just can't get into the title track.

At all. What an awful song.
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 01:01:52 PM
Who cares what that dude has to say?
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 01:03:36 PM
Yea, the title track is amazing.

My other post was just a joke.
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Post by: Crow on March 09, 2017, 01:21:15 PM
lol okay it doesn't read as one at all  :lol
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Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Yea. Im not very funny. :(
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
After proper digestion, here is how I rank the new songs:

1. On a Tuesday - Just about perfect!
2. Angels of Broken Things - Love the tempo variation throughout the song. Guitar solo is so epic!
3. Reasons - The back and forth verses are amazing. The counting part, not so much.
4. Full Throttle Tribe - Really uplifting and a lot of fun.
5. Meaningless - Love the intro and chorus.
6. The Passing Light of Day - Fell flat for me... not what I wanted out of a PoS "epic" but 1. On a Tuesday was & 2. This song clearly wasn't written for me.
7. Tongue of God - Love the intro, don't like the spoken word stuff about the shower and the bed.
8. If This is the End - Nice 1-2 punch with the finale, but nothing special
9. Silent Gold - Nice lil song
10. Taming of a Beast - Don't hate it, don't like it.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on March 09, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
This is a really odd album for me.  After the first spin I thought.."Wow..this is POS!"  What I've been missing!  Then after starting to properly digest the album it kinda petered out for me.  Some excellent moments and songs for sure, but overall... it just doesn't grab me hard.  Normally when I get a new album I spin the hell outta it for a good month plus.  This album lasted less than 2 weeks before I moved on  :-\  That is my barometer.   Maybe when I come back to it again it might get hold of me.  I sure hope so, because I do think i'ts got some real highlights.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 10, 2017, 12:50:36 AM
Definitely not a final ranking but as of now it would look like this:

1. On A Tuesday
2. If This Is The End/The Passing Light Of Day (those two songs belong together and work better in combination than when played alone imo)
3. Meaningless
4. Full Throttle Tribe
5. Tongue Of God
6. The Taming Of The Beast
7. Angels Of Broken Things
8. Silent Gold
9. Reasons

But I still have the feeling that I've not digested this record in full and it is still growing with every listen.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 10, 2017, 04:43:03 AM
Man, its so hard to rank the songs, since its such a solid album.

Really, the song I've been listening to the most is Reasons. For someone who recently went through a major breakup, this song is fantastic  :laugh: and sums up those inner carnal emotions that were just building and building up until finally you just say ENOUGH

The title track was a grower. The first 2 times, I was like "yeah, this is pretty cool", but now I love it.

The taming of the beast is the only one I don't for. The rest is soo damn good.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 10, 2017, 06:53:42 AM
The Taming Of The Beast is the most normal and least prog song but i like it nonetheless. And even if I have Reasons in the last place I still enjoy it, just no so much as the other songs.
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Post by: axeman90210 on March 10, 2017, 09:26:32 AM
I really like The Taming of the Beast, those couple times Daniel goes through the big vocal build up are awesome :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on March 11, 2017, 04:06:58 AM
My rankings:

1. The Passing Light of Day
2. On a Tuesday
3. If This is the End
4. Silent Gold
5. Full Throtte Tribe
6. The Taming of a Beast
7. Reasons
8. Meaningless
9. Angels of Broken Things
10. Tongue of God

6-8 are pretty much interchangeable.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on March 12, 2017, 03:47:19 AM
Hey, remember when everyone had written PoS off?

I never lost faith. If the new record isn't the album of the year in 2017 then something really really really mindblowing is coming out. I just love the thing. It's right under Remedy Lane and TPE for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on March 12, 2017, 03:57:10 AM
Hey, remember when everyone had written PoS off?
Er, no?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on March 12, 2017, 04:15:04 AM
Be is incredible.
:heart

Yes.

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Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2017, 04:22:19 AM
Be is incredible.
:heart

Yes.

Oh yes indeed.... and seeing it live before it was even recorded was magical. One of the top live experiences I have had. Love the DVD as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on March 13, 2017, 08:23:13 AM
Be is incredible.
:heart

Yes.

Oh yes indeed.... and seeing it live before it was even recorded was magical. One of the top live experiences I have had. Love the DVD as well.
OMG, you saw them on that tour? That must have really been something else...even the DVD is so unique and magical.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on March 13, 2017, 01:47:39 PM
I totally feel like this won't be my aoty but more albums that I care about need to come out

It's only March so  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 13, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
It definitely still is early in the year, but it is my current album of the year  :metal

Depending on how sweet the Anathema album is, it might be a toss up. We shall see
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 13, 2017, 03:40:54 PM
Be is incredible.
:heart

Yes.

Oh yes indeed.... and seeing it live before it was even recorded was magical. One of the top live experiences I have had. Love the DVD as well.
OMG, you saw them on that tour? That must have really been something else...even the DVD is so unique and magical.

It wasn't a tour. It was a couple of nights in their hometown Eskilstuna. At a very special place... loved the stage and the pool. Great atmosphere...
And hearing it live first...

I live just an hour from Eskilstuna and my wifes parents live there so for me it was a no-brainer. As good as it was I would have travelled far for it which I think a lot of people did.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
Yea, apparently they filmed the DVD at the former nazi headquarters with helicopters providing light.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 15, 2017, 02:38:54 PM
I have Remedy lane on at the moment. Such blissful ecstasy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: elyster on April 18, 2017, 06:25:22 PM
So Rangar recently posted the original version of Meaningless (well, what is now called Meaningless) which had the clever title of Rockers Don't Bathe.  Pretty cool...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HCIT4cF9fA

From his Facebook page -

Quote
People have been asking me a lot about this song so I decided to share this with you.
Some of you already know this but the song Meaningless is originally a Sign song from 2012.
The lyrics are slightly different and the arrangement is too, just listen for your self.
The sound in the beginning is my voice being heavily processed, sampled, pitched and cut a lot.
What started out as a small song about my depression and being away too much from my loved ones has turned into my personal highlight of our shows and it seems to be getting really good responses whenever we perform this song.
Playing the drums my big brother Egill Rafnsso
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2017, 07:02:51 PM
So hold the phone.

A song written and created by an entirely different artist somehow gets released as a Pain of Salvation song? One which sounds way too close to the original. I'm not down with that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2017, 07:07:47 PM
I'm getting a strong sense of Deja Vu.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on April 18, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
you are just figuring this out now?  :lol
fwiw i think the PoS version is better, mostly for that outro
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on April 18, 2017, 11:51:05 PM
Entirely different artist? No. The artist was one of the band.

Even if it had been a pure cover song, I don't know why people get so upset by that sort of thing these days. It's always been done. Being a cover song didn't stop Jeff Buckley's Hallalujah being an enormous hit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on April 19, 2017, 06:09:29 AM
So hold the phone.

A song written and created by an entirely different artist somehow gets released as a Pain of Salvation song? One which sounds way too close to the original. I'm not down with that.

And also, I'm assuming Ragnar is/got a bigger royalty check because of that song. He's going to get some performance and publishing money as well (if he agreed to with Daniel).

I also think Ragnar is a huge addition to PoS. His background vocals are great, his playing is rock solid and he seems to be a very good song writer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 19, 2017, 06:28:23 AM
After thinking about it more, if Ragnar is cool with it, then I am cool with it. Its just that I've been walking around for weeks going "Daniel is a genius, meaningless is amazing", so I felt silly when I made the realization.

So Its more me being naive to the bigger picture and marking out a little too much to Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 19, 2017, 08:30:01 AM
Personally I'd probably say it's maybe my least favorite on the album (still good) so I don't really put too much thought into the origin of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on April 20, 2017, 02:03:48 AM
That's far from the only old Ragnar songs that has been reworked like this.

I Lost the Way, which turned into On a Tuesday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ZAoqAW8v8
Firebird, which turned into Falling Home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9akz3xa01eA
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 20, 2017, 04:45:36 AM
I Lost the Way part is one of my favorite moments on the album. And Ragnar wrote it 14 years ago :o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 30, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Quote
I quit Pain of Salvation in 2013 after having been in the band for 1 year only. It was nothing like what I had expected and I had come to understand why some members before me had also left. At that time Roger stepped in and did the acoustic tour in which he did a very good job!
About one year later I was asked to do one more gig, prognation at sea, I agreed. When I showed up for rehearsals Daniel had been hospitalised and asked me to fill in his shoes for the show, after he got better he asked me to join the band again and write the next album with him. I love to make albums so I decided to stick around a little longer.
Recently, with our album In the Passing Light of Day the band has been doing considerably better. An album which Daniel and I wrote together during a 2 year time period and I also lent some of my previous compositions to it. With a lot of dedication, sacrifices and help from various people we managed to go from almost being dropped from the record label to selling a descent amount of albums and playing to sold out shows. Something that I am very proud of and obviously very grateful for the love shown to us by the kind people attending our shows.
I have had a great time with my friends Gustaf Hielm, Daniel Karlsson and Léo Margarit. I am going to miss hanging out with them as much, they are the biggest reason I managed to stay all this time. <3
As it turned out, everybody worked on the album as a team, but as soon as our album was finished last year, the band leader started acting in a very similar manner as what we have been seeing of the band Ghost recently. It was clear that this was not “our" album anymore, but his. I got payed a small amount of 1000 euros for my work for those 2 years, that did not even cover my travel expenses.
Although PoS have now been doing quite good business wise, being in this band has been bad business from the beginning and has cost way more than what I’ve had in return, both mentally and economically. Minimum wage is not to be expected when you play to sold out shows and full venues at our standards. Neither is pessimism and criticism after almost every gig.
I have spoken my mind about all of this while still doing what I could to keep a professional relation towards everything, after all it is also my music that we have been playing and I have wanted everything to go as smoothly as possible despite the unjust treatment I have faced.
Instead of making amends, offering better salary or even giving credit where it’s due I was instead asked by Daniel to leave the band yesterday.
I am happy for everything I have learned in the recent years and the people I have gotten to know through this adventure and I am also very happy to be moving on. One thing that I have learned and think should be kept in mind is: Never take credit for others peoples work, that’s just not nice and extremely disrespectful.

TL/DR Ragnar kicked, feels he wasn't paid/appreciated. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 30, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
If it is true what he wrote, I completely understand. Aren't they in the middle of a tour though? Who's going to replace him?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 30, 2017, 03:29:24 PM
I think their tour ended.  Maybe Roger who replaced him last time?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on April 30, 2017, 03:33:45 PM
Well damn. That does not reflect well on Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: home on April 30, 2017, 03:49:21 PM
I Lost the Way part is one of my favorite moments on the album. And Ragnar wrote it 14 years ago :o
That part is so magical  :omg:

Well damn. That does not reflect well on Daniel.
Nope, especially considering Ragnar has co-written parts of the album. Pain of Salvation is a band, not just Daniels Ego project :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on April 30, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
Wow, Daniel seems like a real dick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on April 30, 2017, 03:51:18 PM
i'm not really surprised but i'm still disappointed nonetheless.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on April 30, 2017, 03:53:53 PM
I'm not really surprised either. I read an interview with him a while back that felt kinda off.

https://www.facebook.com/undergroundnewz/photos/a.374101829394395.1073741828.374038069400771/845312832273290/?type=3

It's also interesting to me that they were almost dropped from the record label.

Also, why doesn't he allow the other members into the writing process??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 30, 2017, 04:19:40 PM
Ah, another case of Ghost-itis strikes again.  :-\

That's a huge shame. I had hoped that almost dying had changed Daniel a little. I guess not
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 30, 2017, 04:25:57 PM
What happened with the band Ghost?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 30, 2017, 04:35:30 PM
Sucks when you find out the leader of one of your favorite bands is an ass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 30, 2017, 04:39:33 PM
What happened with the band Ghost?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ghost-leader-slapped-with-lawsuit-by-former-members/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 30, 2017, 04:40:08 PM
What's so damning about this though?  They're not a huge band so minimum wage level payment isn't too surprising.  I'd wait for more info because I highly doubt Daniel himself is making that much off the band.  Also he was kicked out of the band so maybe there's another side to it.

Either way there shoulda been some sort of contract made ahead of time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2017, 07:28:14 PM
Dammit.

I'm not looking to blame or be mad at anyone over this, I'm just disappointed in this happening.

When I became a PoS fan around Scarsick the lineup still was pretty static, and the Ending Themes live set really made me excited to see the band one day. The Road Salt albums were great in studio, but I finally saw them on that tour and was disappointed. With so many years and changes I felt like when I saw them on the cruise in February it was totally different. They went from a band who was a long anticipated disappointment to a band that had fully regained their glory and even pushed beyond it. A huge part of that was Ragnar both in studio and on the stage. Despite seeing them twice on the cruise I did something I hate doing if it can be avoided and went into NYC later in the tour to see them a third time. Glad I did.

The one-two punch, both vocally and on guitar of Daniel and Ragnar was something special, and I'm sad that it was relatively short lived.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
I mean.......on one hand, I don't care a ton because I'm not at all invested in any member of PoS besides DG (was very invested in the classic line up).

On the other hand, he was the only dude who's name I knew and who had a distinct personality. I hope the replacement isn't just a random hipster musician like the other dudes currently are.


Still, pretty lame Daniel. Pretty lame.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2017, 11:19:35 PM
Also, where is that quote from?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Sebastian on May 01, 2017, 12:22:08 AM
Also, where is that quote from?
https://www.facebook.com/ragnar.zolberg
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 12:34:43 AM
Looks like he tagged some other members in that.

Think they might be leaving too?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on May 01, 2017, 01:45:56 AM
Looks like he tagged some other members in that.

Think they might be leaving too?
He tagged Daniel as well. I think he just wanted to make sure the guys saw what he wrote.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on May 01, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Dammit.

I'm not looking to blame or be mad at anyone over this, I'm just disappointed in this happening.

This.

That was just frustrating to read. They've made such a good album, I hoped that things would look better for them from now on, and now we get this. Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on May 01, 2017, 05:37:49 AM
Johan Hallgren is coming back! From Daniel's Facebook:

Quote
After a few years of working together with Ragnar, I feel that we have come to a point where it is necessary to part ways. It feels very sad, because we are losing a great vocalist and stage personality in Ragnar. It felt great writing the new album together with him, and I am very thankful for that time. We all are. But with time it has become clear that his true place is not in this band. Musically, it has worked very well, but there are so many other variables that need to click in order to make a band strong and stable.
We are not going into a period of uncertainty, but one of deliberate change and strength. We have a great record label and a great management/booking company that have both told us that they understand our decision, and that they back us up and support us fully through this. All scheduled shows will happen as planned. How? Well, we are happy to announce that, starting today, Johan Hallgren will be returning to the band as a full member again, and we will go full throttle ahead through this. We are very happy about seeing him back onboard, and we are sure you will accept him back with open arms, as will we.
One thing that we are looking forward to a lot is the regained possibility to meet up and rehearse more often, which is one of the main reasons why I started playing music in the first place: to have that small and devoted tribe, standing in a sweaty rehearing room, sharing a stupid dream. And then making it come true.
So, a new chapter in the life of Pain of Salvation, and yet not. We hurt, we heal, we rise. And we keep delivering, that is a promise. We hope for your love and support through this. We want to thank Ragnar for the good years together with us, and wish him all the luck with his future endeavours. And again, we warmly welcome Johan Hallgren back to our family!
Peace,
Daniel & Pain of Salvation
What the band members and Johan himself has to say about his return to the band:
Johan Hallgren:
“Already when I quit the band, I felt that I really wanted to come back. This feels fun as hell, and I will go into this with full force – hook, line and sinker. I have promised myself to supersede everyone’s expectations of my return. This is something I know well, and I am damn good at it. And more than that, I have really missed them all – it’s a wonderful gang!”
Daniel D2 Karlsson:
“I am very happy to see Johan back – I actually feel quite exalted. Johan is a wonderful human being with a warm heart, and he’s got a fantastic charisma as a musician. I am convinced our fans will welcome him with a warm embrace.”
Léo Margarit:
“It’s great that Johan is back – a good friend. I am certain the fans will be very happy, he was a beloved band member, and many were sad to see him go. It will be very fun to play with him again!”

He also wrote this in one of the comments:

Quote
I want to thank all of you who were closely involved in the last two tours and have sent me your support and understanding regarding this sad decision. I will not participate in any of Ragnar's flamings or lash-outs. I just find the whole situation very sad.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/danielgildenlow/posts/10212537958114669?pnref=story.unseen-section
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on May 01, 2017, 05:52:37 AM
My God, what a circus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on May 01, 2017, 06:05:19 AM
Is Ragnar the new Mike Portnoy now? xD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 01, 2017, 06:07:24 AM
Is Ragnar the new Mike Portnoy now? xD

Damian wilson, Ragnar and MP need to form a band pronto. Spin some art from this adversity
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on May 01, 2017, 09:32:46 AM
Yeah, definitely bummed to see that announcement last night, as I *really* liked both the latest album and the sets I saw them perform on CttE and in NYC in support of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LPMX on May 01, 2017, 11:30:53 AM
"I guess I'm simply sorry for being me just so awful to the people..." -Daniel Gildenlow in Repentance (2007)

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 11:32:11 AM
Well.....that's different.


It'll be very interesting to hear Johann sing the Ragnar parts from the new album since he has a very different voice.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 01, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Good news. I really like Johan. Daniel didn't say a word about the accusations..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 12:47:59 PM
Good news. I really like Johan. Daniel didn't say a word about the accusations..

He said he wouldn't get into Ragnar's accusations. Smart move.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 01, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
Johan's back that's good.

Not sure what to make of Ragnar's statements but I think it's clash of egos involved. It's been pretty clear that PoS is the Daniel Gildenlöw show for quite some time, maybe even from the beginning. No matter what other musicians are involved. Just like Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson or Opeth and Mikael Akerfeldt. Maybe Ragnar thought he could change that? But it doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2017, 02:45:09 PM
PoS lost more than they got with this move. Ragnar is incredible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
PoS lost more than they got with this move. Ragnar is incredible.

He was really good, but I always preferred Johan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 01, 2017, 05:05:54 PM
Ragnar is more talented but Johan is a way better fit for the band personality wise. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2017, 05:40:17 PM
Well of course. He's willing to hang back and let Danny be daddy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on May 01, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
I love Johan, but the fact that their best studio recording in 15 years is immediately followed by another lineup change is discouraging to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 08:32:49 PM
I love Johan, but the fact that their best studio recording in 15 years is immediately followed by another lineup change is discouraging to me.

This is a good point.


Maybe if he got the old guys back together and decided to treat them all like human beings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 01, 2017, 10:20:16 PM
Just noticed that Ragnar posted a video last week of one of his demo songs from 2003 that contains part of "On a Tuesday." Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ZAoqAW8v8
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: home on May 02, 2017, 01:41:08 AM
That was posted here a few days ago already :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 02, 2017, 02:00:15 AM
Maybe if he got the old guys back together and decided to treat them all like human beings.

Do we know that they left because they couldn't get along with Daniel? And if it is so hard to work with him, why is Johan coming back?

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on May 02, 2017, 04:38:25 AM
Has Johan done anything since? I haven't even bothered to look him up once, kind of hard to get a new gig up as big as this if barely anyone knows your name. One of the problems when bands are a one-man show and when it is marketed as "Daniel and Pain of Salvation".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2017, 05:31:33 AM
Has Johan done anything since? I haven't even bothered to look him up once, kind of hard to get a new gig up as big as this if barely anyone knows your name. One of the problems when bands are a one-man show and when it is marketed as "Daniel and Pain of Salvation".

I want to say I have a vague memory of him appearing on an album or song by Kristoffer Gildenlöw but I might be wrong. But he left PoS to spend time with his family so it would make sense if he hasn't done much musically since then.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on May 02, 2017, 06:12:15 AM
Some posts by Johan Hallgren after the announcement:

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I saw Ragnar perform with the guys a while ago! I was totally blown away by his performance! A breakup is never easy and I think we all know that! I wish him the best future possible as I do for everyone! My social media is flooded right know so I want to thank you for the warm welcome back to the family of POS! I'll dedicate myself to the ones who makes all of this possible! YOU.....
See you on the road and again thank you Ragnar for the years supporting our big family! Johan Hallgren

Quote
The guys in the band said some really kind things about me so I thought I would return the favor!
D2! First time I met him he was just a little kid about 11 years old and look at him now! He is handsome and a humble super musician who can switch between bass and keys in an instant! He is also a midi-wizard, sound engineer, light tech and so much more! Love to spend some time with him!
Leo! What can I say! Love the guy and everything about him! I don't think I need to mention his musical qualities! Seems like he was born through a drumroll singing!
Gustaf! Have had some sporadic contact with him over the last 25 years! Humorous guy and a killer musician! He is also a beast on bass but you already knew that!
Daniel! Sometimes he is a mystery to me! How can such an intellectual person go through hell sometimes squeezing out the last drop of blood in every musical and artistic insight! If he would be into economics he probably be a billionaire! Instead he beats himself almost to death to bring Pos forward giving everything he's got! But mostly he is just that loving, funny, person who is a close friend that always inspires me to be better on and off stage!
I've seen some pretty harsh posts out there about him during this member transition! Cut him some slack he is a human being! If the intentions was to hurt him, you did! Now we have two persons hurt! Let them heal and have two awesome bands out there! Johan

Seems to me like everyone but Ragnar behaves proffesionally.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Sebastian on May 02, 2017, 10:39:36 AM
Has Johan done anything since? I haven't even bothered to look him up once, kind of hard to get a new gig up as big as this if barely anyone knows your name. One of the problems when bands are a one-man show and when it is marketed as "Daniel and Pain of Salvation".

I want to say I have a vague memory of him appearing on an album or song by Kristoffer Gildenlöw but I might be wrong. But he left PoS to spend time with his family so it would make sense if he hasn't done much musically since then.

They played some of Kristoffer Gildenlöw's solo work live together, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCkG0ETvyc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCkG0ETvyc). But I think only Fredrik Hermansson actually appeared on one of the albums. (They're pretty good by the way. :))
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
This is great news, I always preferred Johan!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2017, 09:53:43 AM
Ragnar's wife joined the fray (on FB) and apparently the issue regarding credit is that the original pressing says "lyrics and concept by Daniel Gildenlow" while later copies acknowledge Meaningless and that one part of On a Tuesday as Ragnar's.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18301832_10212914900093874_1306298511162130092_n.jpg?oh=6e4a651fd429a603050eae5e0e9dbc63&oe=5982B4DC)

Daniel's response:  "Please be gentle and respectful, if not to us then at least towards each other. Ragnar received my deep apologies for this unfortunate mistake half a year ago, and all labels were clearly instructed to have this changed for future reprints despite the extra cost for us for making new originals. This is a sad situation and I don't think either me or Ragnar or the band benefits from these heated speculations."

Seems like a mountain out of a molehill, but I kinda feel like this was just a small part of two very headstrong people clashing in a band.  All we have are biased pieces of the story anyway.  I am bummed, though, Ragnar wasn't irreplaceable but seeing it go down in such a nasty way is sad. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2017, 09:56:26 AM
So with Johan joining back in this split is softened, but still not ideal. I think if it could have worked that a partnership between Daniel and Ragnar would have had the best payouts in the future. That said, if the split has to happen there is no better outcome than having Johan back in the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on May 03, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
Oh wow, I'm only just seeing this.. What the heck man, I don't really know what to think of this. To me, Danial Gildenlöw the performer has always seemed an arrogant prick, but I kind of assumed that he would be different off-stage. Then the second death of Pain of Salvation happened and I didn't know what to think. Pain of Salvation became the Daniel Gildenlöw band and the arrogance on stage became worse. Maybe Ragnar even amplified that.

I don't really know what to think. Ragnar must be pissed indeed, but part of his claim that he received little payment must surely be his own 'fault', so to speak - read and sign the contract before you lend your services. Him lending his own material for Pain of Salvation material is also his own choice I guess. Well, it was 'fun' while it lasted with Ragnar, even though I didn't think he really fit in the band with his hair metal stage antics.

Welcome back, Johan. That'll be fun as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2017, 10:16:02 AM
Yea, either Ragnar signed a shitty contract or he's been screwed out of what's owed and should be in court and not on social media.  Kinda seems like he just wanted to hurt Daniel and drag his image through the mud.

I don't think there's that much money in PoS though so minimum wage while on tour isn't super surprising?  Sure they played sold out shows... to crowds of a couple hundred (at least in the US)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 03, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
Not sure I understand this, all music except Silent Gold is credited to Gildenlöw & Zolberg. Is that wrong? And it's more co-writing credits than on any other PoS record.

I know that Meaningless is a Ragnar tune, but are the lyrics also Ragnars? And is there really nothing added by Daniel? And as I understand only parts of On A Tuesday are from an old Ragnar tune, so what's wrong here citing Daniel as co-author?

And the concept is surely Daniel's, he was the one in the hospital.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
Not sure I understand this, all music except Silent Gold is credited to Gildenlöw & Zolberg. Is that wrong? And it's more co-writing credits than on any other PoS record.

I know that Meaningless is a Ragnar tune, but are the lyrics also Ragnars? And is there really nothing added by Daniel? And as I understand only parts of On A Tuesday are from an old Ragnar tune, so what's wrong here citing Daniel as co-author?

And the concept is surely Daniel's, he was the one in the hospital.

Daniel kept some of the lyrics to the original version of Meaningless, but changed most of them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
No the issue is "all lyrics by Daniel"on the original press.  Some of the lines from Meaningless remained from Rockers Don't Bathe and the piano part of On a Tuesday is by Ragnar.  The repress says "all lyrics by Daniel except Meaningless and On a Tuesday by Daniel and Ragnar"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 03, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Not a good thing but imo not something to start a fight about, if it wasn't done out of spite, which I doubt. Ragnar is credited as co-author regardless so he gets royalties (if there are any) nonetheless.

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Post by: Nel on May 03, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
I only just noticed the message written around the edge of the main and bonus cds for ItPLoD. Pretty amusing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
I only just noticed the message written around the edge of the main and bonus cds for ItPLoD. Pretty amusing.

What is it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on May 04, 2017, 12:22:19 AM
It goes on about not wasting empty space on the cd, so they might as well leave a secret message, and to continue to the bonus disc to see the message, where it keeps blathering on and just as it's about to get to the message it runs out of room and cuts off mid-sentence.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 27, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Well I'm very late to this news. Just went on YouTube to look for more live version of On a Tuesday and I saw some shirtless guitar player on stage and was shocked to realize it was Johan Hallgren. I don't know what to make of Zolberg's situation. This band has always been The Daniel Gildenlow band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 10, 2017, 07:11:03 AM
So whilst working my way through my massive Spotify playlist of albums/bands to check out, I listened to The Perfect Element, Part 1 the other day. Holy shit!

After one listen it was an instant download for me. There was so much that struck me one first impressions and plenty I know will grow on me. I listened to In The Passing Light of Day earlier this year and thought it was ok. I know I've also sampled other PoS songs over the last few years but this album hit me. I know it's considered one of their best and I'm chuffed to feel like I finally 'get' why they are adored.

I'm on my second listen through now and it's really quite glorious. The other great thing is that as I'm working my way through my Spotify playlist, I'm listening through with albums in alphabetical order, to mix it up a bit. That means that the next album (after Red Fangs selftitled) is Remedy Lane  :metal

Will report back after that, this month could be my 'PoS obsessional' month.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on September 10, 2017, 07:23:24 AM
Oh man, I love Remedy Lane so much. You're in for a treat :metal


Also, listening to In the Passing Light of Day is even more depressing now thinking about Ragnar leaving the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on September 10, 2017, 09:09:27 AM
So whilst working my way through my massive Spotify playlist of albums/bands to check out, I listened to The Perfect Element, Part 1 the other day. Holy shit!

After one listen it was an instant download for me. There was so much that struck me one first impressions and plenty I know will grow on me. I listened to In The Passing Light of Day earlier this year and thought it was ok. I know I've also sampled other PoS songs over the last few years but this album hit me. I know it's considered one of their best and I'm chuffed to feel like I finally 'get' why they are adored.

I'm on my second listen through now and it's really quite glorious. The other great thing is that as I'm working my way through my Spotify playlist, I'm listening through with albums in alphabetical order, to mix it up a bit. That means that the next album (after Red Fangs selftitled) is Remedy Lane  :metal

Will report back after that, this month could be my 'PoS obsessional' month.
The Perfect Element was my first PoS album and it's still easily my favorite. Glad you got to experience that as well! You're about to listen to their second best album now, which is also great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 10, 2017, 09:42:36 AM
So whilst working my way through my massive Spotify playlist of albums/bands to check out, I listened to The Perfect Element, Part 1 the other day. Holy shit!

After one listen it was an instant download for me. There was so much that struck me one first impressions and plenty I know will grow on me. I listened to In The Passing Light of Day earlier this year and thought it was ok. I know I've also sampled other PoS songs over the last few years but this album hit me. I know it's considered one of their best and I'm chuffed to feel like I finally 'get' why they are adored.

I'm on my second listen through now and it's really quite glorious. The other great thing is that as I'm working my way through my Spotify playlist, I'm listening through with albums in alphabetical order, to mix it up a bit. That means that the next album (after Red Fangs selftitled) is Remedy Lane  :metal

Will report back after that, this month could be my 'PoS obsessional' month.
The Perfect Element was my first PoS album and it's still easily my favorite. Glad you got to experience that as well! You're about to listen to their second best album now, which is also great.

Looking forward to it  :tup I'll certainly post my thoughts here after listening.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on September 11, 2017, 12:53:41 AM
The Perfect Element is great. Remedy Lane might be my favorite followed by One Hour By The Concrete Lake. Entropia is excellent as well.

I think what sets Gildenlow apart from many other Prog Metal songwriters is that every song fees crafted. At least to Herrick, nothing feels added for the sake of adding stuff whether it's long drawn-out instrumental sections or whatever else Prog is usually criticized for.

I wonder how the higher vocal stuff will be handled now that Hallgren is back. Zolberg can sing no doubt but I always preferred Hallgren's voice. I don't know if Hallgren can pull off some of the higher stuff Gildenlow did on the albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 11, 2017, 05:34:53 AM
Crafted up to a point, imo. BE has a ton of stuff that feels just there for no reason.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on September 11, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
As much as I love Remedy Lane, that's how much I dislike BE :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 11, 2017, 11:34:56 AM
As much as I love Remedy Lane, that's how much I dislike BE :lol

Yup.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 11, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
Be is incredible, as is TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 11, 2017, 03:01:48 PM
Ok, so help me out here Rich or anyone.  I love OHBTCL and TPE, but recently I picked up some newer stuff (In the Passing Light of Day and Falling Home).  Honestly, I don't really like either one.  Need something that resembles the older stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2017, 03:04:58 PM
Ok, so help me out here Rich or anyone.  I love OHBTCL and TPE, but recently I picked up some newer stuff (In the Passing Light of Day and Falling Home).  Honestly, I don't really like either one.  Need something that resembles the older stuff.

Entropia?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 11, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
Ok, so help me out here Rich or anyone.  I love OHBTCL and TPE, but recently I picked up some newer stuff (In the Passing Light of Day and Falling Home).  Honestly, I don't really like either one.  Need something that resembles the older stuff.
Entropia?
And Remedy Lane.

To be honest, though, all their albums are different.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 11, 2017, 04:23:33 PM
Road Salts and Scarsick aren't :D Some good stuff sprinkled in but on a whole post be and pre-Passing Light is their absolute worst period, imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 11, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
I enjoy the Road Salt albums. Those are vastly different to what they have done before.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
The Road Salts are brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on September 12, 2017, 01:42:42 PM
I really enjoy the first, never got around to spending much time with the second.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 12, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
The first Road Salt is really great imo. The second one left me almost cold. Although it's the same style and kind of music I just don't connect with a lot of the songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on September 13, 2017, 07:38:54 AM
I find the Road Salts to be much less interesting than everything that came before it. That being said, there are still some really good songs so I hardly wouldn't call them bad.
But Remedy Lane is so good, it makes me hard just thinking about how good it is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2017, 08:07:38 AM
Eh, I put Remedy Lane around mid table. Which is still great, just not that special by POS standards.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 13, 2017, 08:13:22 AM
Out on a walk in the sun. Once I finish listening to To The Bone I'm going to be listening to Remedy Lane (2nd listen) and The Perfect Element (3rd listen) as I go  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 13, 2017, 08:45:59 AM
Ok, so help me out here Rich or anyone.  I love OHBTCL and TPE, but recently I picked up some newer stuff (In the Passing Light of Day and Falling Home).  Honestly, I don't really like either one.  Need something that resembles the older stuff.
Entropia?
And Remedy Lane.

To be honest, though, all their albums are different.

Thanks guys.  I got Entropia.  Good recommendation Adami, I like it.  It's different but still good.  I may have heard some RL a long time ago but honestly can't remember.  I'll give that a whirl too.   :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on September 19, 2017, 01:46:46 PM
Crafted up to a point, imo. BE has a ton of stuff that feels just there for no reason.

Sorry. I meant the first four albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 05, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
Very interresting..... the second season of the documentary "I set myself on fire" will soon be upon us...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1432704753491378&id=157242247704308




If anyone has not seen season 1 yet you can start here:

https://mapenzifilm.se/0-prologue-2/
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Post by: devieira73 on October 05, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
This documentary is a great way to really know Daniel, the band and how PoS works. You feel like you are a part of their routine and strangely this documentary works very well this way, it's very enjoyable. No, I don't know Daniel personally, but he really gives the impression of being a very genuine, coherent and talented guy all across this documentary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 22, 2017, 05:28:59 AM
First episode of season 2 was released today:

https://mapenzifilm.se/7-drum-heads-road-salt/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: v_clortho on November 07, 2017, 10:33:45 AM
Next 2 episodes are up
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: busty sinclair on November 07, 2017, 02:22:09 PM
I'm really excited about johan being back. i absolutely loved their first 5 albums with remedy lane and the perfect element being my favorites. BE will always have a special place in my heart it was a very special time in my life when that was released and i was one of the voices on vocari dei!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on November 15, 2017, 12:03:40 AM
First episode of season 2 was released today:

https://mapenzifilm.se/7-drum-heads-road-salt/

Holy shit. I just realized after watching the first episode of season 2 I only watched the prologue of season 1 and I thought that was it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 15, 2017, 12:12:19 AM
First episode of season 2 was released today:

https://mapenzifilm.se/7-drum-heads-road-salt/

Holy shit. I just realized after watching the first episode of season 2 I only watched the prologue of season 1 and I thought that was it.


There is soo much more... and much more to come

Eight years of following Daniel around must have yielded a lot of photage....

I saw them on Oct 09, 2009 when Pain of Salvation  playex Balsta Musikslott in Eskilstuna, Sweden. It's in the building where their rehersal studio is and where they recorded Road Salt. Wonder if any photage from that show will turn up.


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 15, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
First episode of season 2 was released today:

https://mapenzifilm.se/7-drum-heads-road-salt/

Holy shit. I just realized after watching the first episode of season 2 I only watched the prologue of season 1 and I thought that was it.

Same here, i watched the prologue and thought that was it (it was like 30 minutes long), then I realized there is a lot more. I want to watch it but I don't know when I will find the time, the whole thing is several hours long.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on November 15, 2017, 05:46:20 PM
Damn it. Part 6 of season 1 isn't working :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 29, 2017, 10:28:28 PM
The Physics of Gridlock is fantastic! It’s weird because I’ve listened to it many times (everytime I’ve listened to Road Salt Two), but I didn’t think too much of it until tonight. Now I fucking love it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 30, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Been going through a final ranking of all the albums I've listened to this year and gave Passing Light of Day it's 3rd listen today. Damn, this album is great and it's moved up my ranking. I'm hardly a huge PoS fan as I've only listened to Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element (both for the first time earlier this year). I'm finally 'getting' this band and wanting to delve into their entire back catalogue.

Gonna give Passing Light of Day another listen in a few days (along with Soen's latest which has also grown on me massively after the 3rd listen).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 30, 2017, 10:29:20 PM
It does do okay amongst their catalog, but I was thinking about it, and I still wouldn't rank it above any of their 1st 4 records, and maybe not Be.  But I guess that says more about how good those other albums are.

I would definitely check out Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake when you get a chance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2017, 10:49:23 PM
I’d probably put the new album above One Hour (slightly) but below Entropia, Be, TPE, and Remedy Lane
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 31, 2017, 02:22:10 AM
Passing Light is in 4th place behind Perfect Element, Remedy Lane and Entropia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 01, 2018, 09:51:21 AM
I'd put it above One Hour and Scarsick but that's about it.  Like it quite a lot but it's certainly not a favorite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 01, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
Perfect element is definitely my favorite, but then I rank passing right up there with Remedy, Entropia, and concrete lake. Those 5 total are the ones I actually listen to on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on January 03, 2018, 04:23:06 AM
Realized The Passing Light of Day is a song I am sad will only be heard within the prog-sphere of people. It's absolutely a universally enjoyable song imo and so beautiful and meaningful I wish more people could hear it. It breaks me every time and I am sure a lot of people can understand and find a personal interpretation of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 03, 2018, 11:08:17 AM
that seems to be true, but it's weird how I honestly don't find the title track to be that amazing. It just kind of goes on and on and never fully goes anywhere. Whereas nearly every other record they've managed to include 1 of if not the best track as the closers.

I find On a Tuesday to be a lot better actually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 11, 2018, 11:56:05 PM
I forgot about the Pain of Salvation documentary so I looked for new episodes. Last one I saw was There Will Be Blood from season 2. The interlude and the two episodes after were painfully boring. The Vanity of Man and Glitter and Road Salt are about a Swedish music award show. I get that the band needed exposure but it was kind of lame for "the band" to choose a song where the keyboard player mimes playing while Gildenlow sings and Halgren kneels on the floor with his guitar.

I'm about to watch episode 12 of season 2 which is called The Duel. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 07, 2018, 11:59:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Painofsalvation/posts/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/Painofsalvation/posts/?ref=page_internal)

According to Facebook work on a new album has begun:

Quote
”Starting on a new album is like entering a hadron collider. Staying in one piece defeats the purpose.” /Daniel

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on June 08, 2018, 12:10:46 AM
Sexcellent!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 08, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
Already? Damn!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 08, 2018, 01:36:01 AM
If they keep (or even surpass) the level of ITPLOD the record can't come soon enough. But I think if Daniel is now in the demoing stage, the record will probably not be released until next year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2018, 02:47:35 AM
What's the lineup for this one? :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 08, 2018, 05:23:20 AM
If they keep (or even surpass) the level of ITPLOD the record can't come soon enough. But I think if Daniel is now in the demoing stage, the record will probably not be released until next year.


I don't think the next album will be anywhere near as good as the last one based on the personnel decisions made.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 08, 2018, 05:46:06 AM
What's the lineup for this one? :P

Problably something like this

Dan The Man: Vocals
Danny G.: Guitars
D'animal: Drums
Daniel Low: Bass

Mike Portnoy: Backing Vocals
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 08, 2018, 06:20:03 AM
What's the lineup for this one? :P

Problably something like this

Dan The Man: Vocals
Danny G.: Guitars
D'animal: Drums
Daniel Low: Bass

Mike Portnoy: Claves on the last track

FTFY
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 08, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
Given most of the compositions have lots of Ragnar's input (who's a brilliant composer and brought freshness to PoS' sound), it'll be very hard to surpass ITPLOD's quality level. Unless Gildenlöw returns to his uniqueness from the first albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 08, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
My initial reaction to ITPLOD was "Awesome!"  But....  like teflon, it didn't stick .  I was off of it in a matter of a couple days, which in my world means not that great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 09, 2018, 05:55:10 AM
My initial reaction to ITPLOD was "Awesome!"  But....  like teflon, it didn't stick .  I was off of it in a matter of a couple days, which in my world means not that great.

I had the same reaction and then there came a time when I just didn't have the urge to listen to it again. It wasn't until December last year that I started listening to it again. Then it finally "really" clicked for me. Love the raw energy and honest feelings on the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 09, 2018, 06:23:11 AM
I have kind of a special connection to ITPLOD.

It's about Daniel's illness and his stay in the hospital.

I listened to the record a lot last year while I stayed with my little girl at the hospital. Especially at night, when you can't sleep and only the emergency lights are on and you're lying on a matress beside the sickbed of your daughter and the machines that monitor the heartbeat, breathing rate etc. make quiet ping noises, then this record hits you really hard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 09, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before.  And maybe that was the point because of the bleak subject matter but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it much less.  Plus I don't understand why they picked 2018 to all of the sudden start chugging detuned riffs all the time when it's been done to fucking death by all their peers for over a decade.  I thought that perhaps they avoided that all these years for a reason.  Maybe that's the Ragnar influence coming in, in which case I'm honestly glad he's gone. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2018, 01:58:06 PM
I loved the last album. Minus the angels song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on June 09, 2018, 02:58:00 PM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before.  And maybe that was the point because of the bleak subject matter but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it much less.  Plus I don't understand why they picked 2018 to all of the sudden start chugging detuned riffs all the time when it's been done to fucking death by all their peers for over a decade.  I thought that perhaps they avoided that all these years for a reason.  Maybe that's the Ragnar influence coming in, in which case I'm honestly glad he's gone.

I heard a few of Zolberg's solo stuff and it didn't sound anything like The Chug.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 09, 2018, 03:39:51 PM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before.  And maybe that was the point because of the bleak subject matter but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it much less.  Plus I don't understand why they picked 2018 to all of the sudden start chugging detuned riffs all the time when it's been done to fucking death by all their peers for over a decade.  I thought that perhaps they avoided that all these years for a reason.  Maybe that's the Ragnar influence coming in, in which case I'm honestly glad he's gone.

I heard a few of Zolberg's solo stuff and it didn't sound anything like The Chug.

His band Sign had a good bit of Chug to it.  I know he's more than a Chugger but it sounded like a lot of the format for the heavier songs was Daniel playing drums while Ragnar came up with riffs.  So I do think he might have brought the Chug in, although obviously nothing in the band gets by without Gildenlow's editorial approval. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 10, 2018, 02:02:08 AM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before.  And maybe that was the point because of the bleak subject matter but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it much less.  Plus I don't understand why they picked 2018 to all of the sudden start chugging detuned riffs all the time when it's been done to fucking death by all their peers for over a decade.  I thought that perhaps they avoided that all these years for a reason.  Maybe that's the Ragnar influence coming in, in which case I'm honestly glad he's gone.

I know exactly what you mean! But in my opinion, that's a STRENGTH of the album! It sounds dark, it doesn't look to the right or to the left, it's uncompromising.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 10, 2018, 03:43:53 AM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before. 

So would you say... it plods? :neverusethis:

I still like ITPLOD and spin it from time to time. Very solid album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
I haven't listened to the album in a while but I do still think the title track is one of the best they've done - if not the best. In terms of emotion and a song that hits the feels, it's their crowning achievement IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on June 10, 2018, 06:18:17 AM
I haven't listened to the album in a while but I do still think the title track is one of the best they've done - if not the best. In terms of emotion and a song that hits the feels, it's their crowning achievement IMO.

I agree with you, though I wouldn't go as far as saying it's their best. In any case, considering how emotive the rest of Pain of Salvation's music really is, that's saying a lot. The title track is fantastic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2018, 01:01:27 PM
I mean as far as their BEST song I think it's a bit up in the air but emotionally I think it is. Depends what type of song you're looking for I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on June 17, 2018, 08:43:00 PM
ITPLOD really did not stick at all for me and would probably be in my bottom 3 with Concrete Lake and Scarsick.  I find it most of it to be pretty bland, especially in the middle between Full Throttle Tribe and Angels.  I find the whole tone of the album to be totally lacking in color and diversity which is kind of a strange new problem that they never had before.  And maybe that was the point because of the bleak subject matter but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it much less.  Plus I don't understand why they picked 2018 to all of the sudden start chugging detuned riffs all the time when it's been done to fucking death by all their peers for over a decade.  I thought that perhaps they avoided that all these years for a reason.  Maybe that's the Ragnar influence coming in, in which case I'm honestly glad he's gone.

I heard a few of Zolberg's solo stuff and it didn't sound anything like The Chug.

His band Sign had a good bit of Chug to it.  I know he's more than a Chugger but it sounded like a lot of the format for the heavier songs was Daniel playing drums while Ragnar came up with riffs.  So I do think he might have brought the Chug in, although obviously nothing in the band gets by without Gildenlow's editorial approval.

Ah I didn't know he had a band too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
My initial reaction to ITPLOD was "Awesome!"  But....  like teflon, it didn't stick .  I was off of it in a matter of a couple days, which in my world means not that great.

Same. After a couple of listens I didn't really rate it at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 21, 2018, 10:29:11 AM
Just downloaded the Remix version of Remedy Lane, which is one of my top3 albums of all time.  I must say I really enjoy the remix version!  If you haven't checked it out and you like RL I would definitly check it out!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
Just downloaded the Remix version of Remedy Lane, which is one of my top3 albums of all time.  I must say I really enjoy the remix version!  If you haven't checked it out and you like RL I would definitly check it out!!!

The remix is great. I don't even listen to the original mix anymore.

I'd favor all of their pre-BE albums getting a similar remix.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on November 21, 2018, 12:17:03 PM
Just downloaded the Remix version of Remedy Lane, which is one of my top3 albums of all time.  I must say I really enjoy the remix version!  If you haven't checked it out and you like RL I would definitly check it out!!!

The remix is great. I don't even listen to the original mix anymore.

I'd favor all of their pre-BE albums getting a similar remix.
Agreed!  I'd love to see The Perfect Element treated the same!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 21, 2018, 02:35:09 PM
Just downloaded the Remix version of Remedy Lane, which is one of my top3 albums of all time.  I must say I really enjoy the remix version!  If you haven't checked it out and you like RL I would definitly check it out!!!

The remix is very well done. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on November 21, 2018, 02:49:17 PM

The remix is great. I don't even listen to the original mix anymore.

I'd favor all of their pre-BE albums getting a similar remix.
Agreed!  I'd love to see The Perfect Element treated the same!!

Praised be Jens Bogren. Indeed, all the pre-BE albums would be much more enjoyable than they already are with a better mixing/treatment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 05, 2018, 10:36:10 PM
new interview. Stuff about the ITPLOD artwork and Ragnar leaving.

also a funny moment about carrots, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fUnYCG-Frk
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 17, 2018, 10:33:28 PM
that documentary series is back
https://vimeo.com/mapenzifilm
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on December 17, 2018, 10:45:28 PM
that documentary series is back
https://vimeo.com/mapenzifilm

Nice to see Transatlantic in there....
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 11, 2019, 11:20:10 PM
bump.

https://vimeo.com/mapenzifilm

3 more episodes are up there, the last being a little over an hour.

It's nothing new, but it's a bit taxing seeing Daniel speak about reviews and the band not reaching more people like he feels they could. But it's eerie how he says History will prove their music and the other bands that the reviews compare them to will find how kind History is.

It's been nearly 10 years since the Road Salt albums came out, and I think they have aged a little better than expected, but within their catalog, they are still considered under many if not all their other albums from fans. Daniel himself may not feel that though, which would be a good question for him now, now 10 years later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Sebastian on January 13, 2019, 03:42:18 AM
It's really interesting to watch these documentaries with hindsight. In an earlier episode, they get feedback from their label that they should do a single Road Salt album and cut some of the songs, but the band (or maybe just Daniel) insists on doing a double album. I guess I would now agree with the label that there are a lot of songs on the two albums that could be cut.

I saw them live in 2017 and 2018 and they didn't play much from Road Salt. Nothing at all in their most recent concert: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2018/piraeus-117-academy-athens-greece-3396e831.html
But maybe they're just going for a more metal sound for the Passing Light of Day tours. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: gilpdawg on January 31, 2019, 05:17:59 PM
It's really interesting to watch these documentaries with hindsight. In an earlier episode, they get feedback from their label that they should do a single Road Salt album and cut some of the songs, but the band (or maybe just Daniel) insists on doing a double album. I guess I would now agree with the label that there are a lot of songs on the two albums that could be cut.

I saw them live in 2017 and 2018 and they didn't play much from Road Salt. Nothing at all in their most recent concert: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2018/piraeus-117-academy-athens-greece-3396e831.html
But maybe they're just going for a more metal sound for the Passing Light of Day tours. :)
I think they played Lineoleum on the US ITPLOD run.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 01, 2019, 06:10:56 AM
It's been nearly 10 years since the Road Salt albums came out, and I think they have aged a little better than expected, but within their catalog, they are still considered under many if not all their other albums from fans. Daniel himself may not feel that though, which would be a good question for him now, now 10 years later.
I concur. I never minded those albums at the time  - if you wanna make music that sounds like that, then it would be a mistake to resist the impulse and "go back to the old PoS" like the fans were insisting at the time. The best part of PoS is the emotion, so if Daniel isn't feeling it, I'd rather him make the kind of music he is feeling. Having said that, it definitely could have been a very strong one CD album, rather than two average-to-good albums, and it really is a separate chapter in the band's history - hell, starting from the split with Johan, all the rotating lineups with Ragnar (who I really love) almost felt like a different band. And now, with Ragnar out, the reverse course is complete, and they don't play much Road Salt. Really curious.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 01, 2019, 07:36:42 AM
Any PoS fans in or around Germany here? One Hour and Remedy Live are currently available on German amazon for 8-9€ on double vinyl! So are a few Redemtion albums!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 07, 2019, 10:57:01 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217886178976848&set=a.10201536924695709&type=3&theater

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51576577_10217886179056850_361316649216770048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-2.fna&oh=bf81b333ac734a9cdbe460a3be4df70d&oe=5CEDA42F)
Drums packed – tomorrow morning I’m going to Daniel Bergstrand’s studio for a weekend of working on the new Pain of Salvation material. 🤘 #dugoutproductions #danielbergstrand #painofsalvation — at Södermanland County.



It's been nearly 10 years since the Road Salt albums came out, and I think they have aged a little better than expected, but within their catalog, they are still considered under many if not all their other albums from fans. Daniel himself may not feel that though, which would be a good question for him now, now 10 years later.
I concur. I never minded those albums at the time  - if you wanna make music that sounds like that, then it would be a mistake to resist the impulse and "go back to the old PoS" like the fans were insisting at the time. The best part of PoS is the emotion, so if Daniel isn't feeling it, I'd rather him make the kind of music he is feeling. Having said that, it definitely could have been a very strong one CD album, rather than two average-to-good albums, and it really is a separate chapter in the band's history - hell, starting from the split with Johan, all the rotating lineups with Ragnar (who I really love) almost felt like a different band. And now, with Ragnar out, the reverse course is complete, and they don't play much Road Salt. Really curious.

I think they are kind of a different band, or maybe better, just the Daniel Gildenlow Band, maybe they have been especially since his brother left, but even from the beginning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2019, 10:57:45 AM
God dammit if Daniel is playing drums again I'm gonna kill Stadler.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 08, 2019, 03:38:11 AM
I think he plays drums on all the demo's.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on April 04, 2019, 11:26:26 PM
In the Passing Light of Day seems to be better than I remember it being...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 04, 2019, 11:43:18 PM
In the Passing Light of Day seems to be better than I remember it being...

My opinion hasn't changed so far. The first half is very good but the second half isn't so good but still good. Overall, it's better than Scarsick and the Road Salts.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 05, 2019, 08:25:39 AM
The album itself is pretty good but the title track is still fantastic. Better than anything on Remedy Lane or TPE as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 05, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
I still don't follow the amount of love the title track to ItPLoD gets.

I mean it's not bad, but it doesn't include any "wow" moments that so many of their best tunes have.

I've been a fan of PoS for almost 20 years, and at this point I wouldn't probably put it in my top 30 songs from them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 05, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
It is maybe the best song they ever did.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 05, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
I still don't follow the amount of love the title track to ItPLoD gets.

I mean it's not bad, but it doesn't include any "wow" moments that so many of their best tunes have.

I've been a fan of PoS for almost 20 years, and at this point I wouldn't probably put it in my top 30 songs from them.

It's the most emotionally resonant song they've made by far for me. The lyrics and the emotions and knowing the story behind the words with Daniel almost dying, it gives the song a "real" feel to it which most of the other songs don't have. Knowing the words actually reflect reality and aren't just a writer trying to put himself in a made up situation makes it a lot more powerful.
That, and musically the song is just amazing. The chorus is really good and that final time the chorus comes in just gives me goosebumps every time.

I mean the band has made a bunch of great songs (and albums), for me songs like Her Voices, ! (Foreword) or Iter Impius are amazing in their own ways, but what puts ITPLoD above the rest is just how real it is. The music and the singing is great like in most PoS songs but listening to the song and knowing what Daniel went through in the hospital it adds a lot to the song.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 06, 2019, 08:54:03 AM
I still don't follow the amount of love the title track to ItPLoD gets.

I mean it's not bad, but it doesn't include any "wow" moments that so many of their best tunes have.

I've been a fan of PoS for almost 20 years, and at this point I wouldn't probably put it in my top 30 songs from them.

It's the most emotionally resonant song they've made by far for me. The lyrics and the emotions and knowing the story behind the words with Daniel almost dying, it gives the song a "real" feel to it which most of the other songs don't have. Knowing the words actually reflect reality and aren't just a writer trying to put himself in a made up situation makes it a lot more powerful.
That, and musically the song is just amazing. The chorus is really good and that final time the chorus comes in just gives me goosebumps every time.

I mean the band has made a bunch of great songs (and albums), for me songs like Her Voices, ! (Foreword) or Iter Impius are amazing in their own ways, but what puts ITPLoD above the rest is just how real it is. The music and the singing is great like in most PoS songs but listening to the song and knowing what Daniel went through in the hospital it adds a lot to the song.

well for you and others not only in this topic, but among the fans I have seen (largely on FB, but also on some other forums and review sites from memory), may feel that way, but I guess this inspired me to make
a Favorite Songs list and more detailed explanation (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2019/04/pain-of-salvation-top-10-40-songs.html) as to why I feel about it as I do.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 06, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
If you don't care about the emotional aspect of music then sure putting 40 other songs above it makes sense. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 08, 2019, 10:41:29 PM
I guess it comes down to does it evoke a (good) emotional response, which it really doesn't for me.

I kind of see it being similar to my experience with the Yes song "Awaken." There's things about it I like, and follow why others adore it, but the Church Organ and some of the vocals one-day hit me as being incredibly cheesy and preachy, I came to lose most of my appreciation for it. So much so, I don't typically listen to it when listening to Going for the One.

The same thing very well may happen with TtPLoD for me. Now, perhaps seeing it live, I might feel differently.

Anyway, I also thought I'd pass along what Daniel posted on FB (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218319960901125&set=a.10201536924695709&type=3&theater):

(https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56589763_10218319960941126_5316927508220739584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-1.fna&oh=8e81ddd1c2f738b277551f491756984d&oe=5D4D5471)

Quote
What you see there on the screen, folks, is the new Pain of Salvation album taking form. Right now I’m working on a brand new song with the working title City Ghost.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on April 09, 2019, 08:42:08 AM
I still don't follow the amount of love the title track to ItPLoD gets.

I mean it's not bad, but it doesn't include any "wow" moments that so many of their best tunes have.

I've been a fan of PoS for almost 20 years, and at this point I wouldn't probably put it in my top 30 songs from them.

It's the most emotionally resonant song they've made by far for me. The lyrics and the emotions and knowing the story behind the words with Daniel almost dying, it gives the song a "real" feel to it which most of the other songs don't have. Knowing the words actually reflect reality and aren't just a writer trying to put himself in a made up situation makes it a lot more powerful.
That, and musically the song is just amazing. The chorus is really good and that final time the chorus comes in just gives me goosebumps every time.

I mean the band has made a bunch of great songs (and albums), for me songs like Her Voices, ! (Foreword) or Iter Impius are amazing in their own ways, but what puts ITPLoD above the rest is just how real it is. The music and the singing is great like in most PoS songs but listening to the song and knowing what Daniel went through in the hospital it adds a lot to the song.

well for you and others not only in this topic, but among the fans I have seen (largely on FB, but also on some other forums and review sites from memory), may feel that way, but I guess this inspired me to make
a Favorite Songs list and more detailed explanation (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2019/04/pain-of-salvation-top-10-40-songs.html) as to why I feel about it as I do.

Nah, it's not overrated at all. Overrated often just means "I don't understand why all these people like something I don't.

ItPLoD is basically everything a progressive epic isn't expected to be. The emotional impact of that track is the best thing POS ever done imo, and that is really impressive. It's a fantastic song in every way but in the end the lyrics in combined with the music progression is what really makes it stand out. It gets very personal when he describes being in the hospital expecting the worst repeating the "my lover, my best friend" phrase. It's so heart breaking for me and the delivery is perfect.

Edit: Just so you know, many of us has not forgotten the other songs by POS. You mentioned "Her Voices". LOVE that song. Beyond the Pale, King of Loss, In The Flest, Perfect Element etc. etc. are all incredible songs. But still, the most emotional impact goes to ItPLoD.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 09, 2019, 09:46:42 AM
When I first went to listen to In the Passing light of day, I was expecting some crazy, super technical prog epic. Its definitely not that, but it quickly grew on me and is now one of my very favorite PoS songs. I love it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on April 10, 2019, 06:14:03 AM
I was expecting a heavier buildup in the title track and at first it felt like it drags on for too long and it never really gets somewhere too impactful musically. It stays within a certain level that is very similar in vibe from beginning to end. It's not my favourite but it's grown on me and I really like the vocal delivery and the lyrics so that makes up for it. Just wish he'd gone at least for a verse or so in a style to Beyond The Pale but I get why that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 10, 2019, 06:47:28 AM
... I was expecting some crazy, super technical prog epic...

I think maybe it's an awesome track just because it's not that crazy, supertechnical prog epic. We have a lot of that in other songs, but here it's just something different. That quiet but very emotional side would probably get lost to some degree with too much technical prog going on.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
On A Tuesday is my favorite from the album and it might be my favorite PoS song of all time. Song is perfect.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 10, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
On A Tuesday is my favorite from the album and it might be my favorite PoS song of all time. Song is perfect.

I wouldn't go that far, but I could easily feel like it's my favorite on the record. It might at least be my favorite opening track on any PoS album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 29, 2019, 10:29:37 AM
bump.

Leo

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1tkFrflyjG/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 08, 2019, 12:11:01 AM
Just listened to Be again after a long time.

I know Iter Impius, Dea Pecuniae, Imago and Diffidentia are some fan favorites from the album but what is the general feeling about Nihil Morari?

The studio version (with the added lyrics) is maybe one of my favorite POS songs. There's something about how the song managed encapsulate very chaotic and dramatic instrumentation that perfectly fits the lyrics / subject. Maybe even something about the song mainly being written as an instrumental but adding those quick singing parts on top is really awesome.

Then there's the lyrics with parts like

"
When there's nothing left for us to break
Use
Abuse
Or rape
Then you're free to count how much you saved
"

"
It's not hard to reach the top
It's not hard not knowing when to stop
It's not hard to take all
Not very difficult to fly if you settle for a fall
"

Damn. Those hit hard for me. I am constantly worried about the state of the world and how we torture the nature to benefit some strange desire to constantly grow and make money. It seems we never stop to reflect or wonder what we make of it as a whole. The lyrics really is all about this.

There are parts of the lyrics where it gets a bit cringy, like the light bulb explanation.

Then comes the climatic ending with "I'm sorry! For the things we did and did not do" with Daniel being obvious worried about what we are doing and kinda pleading / screaming how sorry he is (maybe hoping someone listens). After building up it all comes down to a more depressing and emotional ending with the "I'm sorry" repeating, but this time it's hopeless (no one listens). I think the contrast here is fantastic. Daniel's delivery of the final lines are soooooooo good:

"
I'm sorry!
For the things we did and didn't do
Forgive us; the fools that rushed ahead without a single clue
...Without a single clue. ..
"

This is maybe still the strongest delivery of lyrics for all of the POS songs for me. And that is kinda what the band is known for with Beyond The Pale etc.

I never heard anyone really go on about Nihil Morari and just wonder if I am a bit stuck on the song on my own or others that kinda see some huge brilliance in that song?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 08, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
I see brilliance in that entire album. Although, I need to buy the actual album, I only have the live cd.

You can feel that sense of "We fucked up" in the instrumentation.

The way you feel about Nihil Morari, I feel about Vocari Dei. It's atmosphere is beautiful, a good contrast to the messages. It's the one moment of peace before everything turns to dust.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 29, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
Anyone know anything about a new album coming out?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 29, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Daniel's been posting somewhat regularly the last few weeks

https://www.instagram.com/danielgildenlow/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 29, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Daniel's been posting somewhat regularly the last few weeks

https://www.instagram.com/danielgildenlow/

Ok. I don't use Instagram but I'll check out Gildenlow's every now and then to see what's going on with the new album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 03, 2020, 07:03:29 PM
https://www.facebook.com/danielgildenlow/posts/10220851761634561

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Final mixing for the first single from the next album. ACCELERATOR! A day spent in the best possible company. Three peas in a pod – Daniel and Fredrik and me. So few normal people would get us. :)

#painofsalvation #accelerator #single #panther #danielbergstrand @fredrik_thordendal @ Stockholm, Sweden
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 04, 2020, 06:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/danielgildenlow/posts/10220851761634561?comment_id=10220853100228025&reply_comment_id=10220854592985343

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Ky Gil the 1st song/single is titled "Accelerator"? Or the Album is titled "Accelerator"? or Both?

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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 04, 2020, 06:55:41 AM
Man, he is really not good at handling social media. :lol It is really strange to learn the album title and the fact that there's a single coming from his personal FB account.
Or have I missed any sort of official announcement?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 04, 2020, 06:59:51 AM
I think it's cool in a way that the hardcore fans who follow his personal page learn nuggets like that before it's announced officially to everyone. I mean ultimately it doesn't really matter, like the casual fans will learn the title when they put out a big announcement but this way the bigger fans get some small fragments of info before that stage.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on February 04, 2020, 07:46:58 AM
It is really strange to learn the album title and the fact that there's a single coming from his personal FB.
From where else would you expect to learn it besides his official FB account and/or the record company? It would be strange to hear it from a random source, but not those two. It is pretty normal that they make an official announcement, but I don't see why it has to be kept a secret or it can't be said in other sources.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 04, 2020, 07:49:07 AM
It is really strange to learn the album title and the fact that there's a single coming from his personal FB.
From where else would you expect to learn it besides his official FB account and/or the record company? It would be strange to hear it from a random source, but not those two. It is pretty normal that they make an official announcement, but I don't see why it has to be kept a secret or it can't be said in other sources.

I think he'd prefer it from an official statement. I think the "strangeness" is really only if this is the main way we find out. If this is just early info, cool. If the official info JUST comes from his personal FB, then that is a bit strange for a band like that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on February 04, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
Yeah, if they release an official statement later then I guess it's fine to share little tidbits of information early like that.

Either way, I'm quite excited. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on February 04, 2020, 08:10:51 AM
The fact that the title will be Panther was mentioned on his Instagram quite a few times already too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 18, 2020, 11:30:56 AM
Leo interviewed on this YouTube channel, mentions it may be coming out in September
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C_9PtyoC6k
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on February 18, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
Leo interviewed on this YouTube channel, mentions it may be coming out in September
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C_9PtyoC6k

Nice. I shall watch this later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on February 25, 2020, 12:21:42 AM
Wow kinda cringey interview. The first 3:40 or so could've been cut out. The interviewers didn't know basic stuff about the band.

Earlier in the interview around 12:00 Margarit said some of the albums before The Passing Light of Day were more of a band effort with jam sessions even though Gildenlow wrote most of the riffs and the womang was like, "I think it was cool you guys did jam sessions on the Passing Light of Day".

Leo seems like a cool dude and it was good to hear him talk about joining the band. Very interesting to hear about how Gildenlow & Zolberg wrote The Passing Light of Day together. I wonder how true that is. I like Johan's voice way more than Zolberg's but credit's due where credit's due.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 25, 2020, 09:31:17 AM
yeah Ragnar wrote a lot of the music on ItPloD.

"Sign" Rockers Don't Bathe (became "Meaningless" with PoS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HCIT4cF9fA

"I Lost the Way" (On a Tuesday Demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ZAoqAW8v8
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on February 25, 2020, 12:28:31 PM
yeah Ragnar wrote a lot of the music on ItPloD.

"Sign" Rockers Don't Bathe (became "Meaningless" with PoS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HCIT4cF9fA

"I Lost the Way" (On a Tuesday Demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ZAoqAW8v8

I knew parts of his older songs made it onto the album but I didn't know Zolberg & Gildenlow wrote the whole album together. I was surprised to hear that. Sheds more light on why Zolberg left.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on February 25, 2020, 05:21:28 PM
The Ragnar's credits on the songs are in the booklet, just in case.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on February 25, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
The Ragnar's credits on the songs are in the booklet, just in case.

Ok. I thought Zolberg left because he didn't get enough credit or something. Or was it money? Or both?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 25, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
The Ragnar's credits on the songs are in the booklet, just in case.

Ok. I thought Zolberg left because he didn't get enough credit or something. Or was it money? Or both?

Money from what he said.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 26, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
Back then I had the impression that Ragnar felt kinda cheated, don't know if that's true. But I also think there isn't that much money to be made from Pain Of Salvation in general, so maybe it just didn't turn out the way Ragnar had hoped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 27, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
The Ragnar's credits on the songs are in the booklet, just in case.

Ok. I thought Zolberg left because he didn't get enough credit or something. Or was it money? Or both?
Was it bad luck? Was it fate? Or a past that he couldn't escape? :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 24, 2020, 06:26:27 AM


(https://progreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/panther-cover-740x740.png)

https://progreport.com/pain-of-salvation-announce-details-for-new-studio-album-panther/?fbclid=IwAR2vLSwDZlYYvXm-geP9VL6jU1NRWjuvUwaA-AxALTWCVUH3bcVzn5P61ws

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Firmly at the forefront of the progressive rock and metal scenes for nearly three decades now and one of modern rock’s most acclaimed live acts, Sweden’s Pain of Salvation return with a new studio album entitled “PANTHER”, due out August 28th, 2020 worldwide via InsideOutMusic....


Pain of Salvation – “PANTHER”:
1. ACCELERATOR
2. UNFUTURE
3. RESTLESS BOY
4. WAIT
5. KEEN TO A FAULT
6. FUR
7. PANTHER
8. SPECIES
9. ICON

Pain of Salvation’s Daniel Gildenlöw checked in with the following comment about “PANTHER”:
“The making of ‘PANTHER’ has taken over 2 years. I have felt the need to push boundaries, both musically and sonically. Approaching the music from more diverse angles, yet without losing the core identity of the band. Lyrically it coincidently fits more than ever into current times. When I look at the great artwork drawings that went into the concept, I can only say that I am extremely happy how everything turned out. I can’t wait to share this album with everybody.”

Pain of Salvation - Panther (Album Trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgmgECkFBw


Very intriguing, to say the least.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on June 24, 2020, 06:45:31 AM
That teaser sounds awesome, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 24, 2020, 07:27:50 AM
Won't listen to any singles or teasers... but I think this will be dark and heavy.

And awesome.



Damn, I can't believe how many great albums will come out at the end of August/beginning of September! PoS, Bowness, Gungfly, Motorpsycho, Petrucci, Pineapple Thief, Neal Morse, Tangent... Most of them on August 28th.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 24, 2020, 08:34:56 AM
Thought the album trailer sounded pretty bad but i mean its a 20 second teaser so not like it sways me either way. Curious to see what they came up with!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 24, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
I don't wanna listen to the trailer, yet I'm extremely curious about how it sounds ... Can you guys please describe it  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 24, 2020, 09:12:57 AM
I don't wanna listen to the trailer, yet I'm extremely curious about how it sounds ... Can you guys please describe it  :lol

It sounds like the chorus to a song (I'm guessing Accelerator). Pretty hard to describe.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on June 24, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
I don't wanna listen to the trailer, yet I'm extremely curious about how it sounds ... Can you guys please describe it  :lol

Some nice synth/strings going on as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: v_clortho on June 24, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
I don't wanna listen to the trailer, yet I'm extremely curious about how it sounds ... Can you guys please describe it  :lol
.

I'd describe it as Gangsta Rap meets Polka, with a little bit of Bluegrass thrown in.

 ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 24, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
Panther is a strange album title imo, but I'm really excited. The last one was pretty good, I hope this one is too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: DTA on June 24, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
Panther is a strange album title imo, but I'm really excited. The last one was pretty good, I hope this one is too.

I was thinking the same thing. Why the hell is this album called Panther?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on June 24, 2020, 01:01:17 PM
Panther is a strange album title imo, but I'm really excited. The last one was pretty good, I hope this one is too.

I was thinking the same thing. Why the hell is this album called Panther?

Because 'Black Panther' was copyrighted   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 24, 2020, 11:46:34 PM
I think the album name is pretty cool... Don't see the issue with that.

I listened to Passing Light yesterday and today, and now I'm even more excited. That was such a brutal and awesome album, I hope they continue with this style.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 02, 2020, 04:50:10 PM
Accelerator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOb4ih1xjU
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 02, 2020, 06:24:54 PM
Accelerator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOb4ih1xjU

Video unavailable.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on July 02, 2020, 11:43:45 PM
Accelerator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOb4ih1xjU

Video unavailable.

It's working here.

Wow, amazing drumming, but the drum sound... a bit strange. I'm glad that the drummer's name isn't Mike Mangini  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on July 03, 2020, 03:38:14 AM
Accelerator (official video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKmOJl4GXQ
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 03, 2020, 03:49:31 AM
Isn't the pre-chorus very similar to something from ITPOD? I really like this song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2020, 05:01:14 AM
I was really disappointed when Ragnar left the band. I like what he brought and I always wondered if he was responsible for the last album being such a return to form for the band.

After hearing Accelerator..... nothing has changed my opinion. What an underwhelming song. Hopefully it grows on me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 03, 2020, 05:14:20 AM
I was really disappointed when Ragnar left the band. I like what he brought and I always wondered if he was responsible for the last album being such a return to form for the band.

After hearing Accelerator..... nothing has changed my opinion. What an underwhelming song. Hopefully it grows on me.
I don't have an opinion, seeing as I'm not as invested in the band (although I saw them open for DT in 2002), but I've listened to all the albums up to Remedy Lane and ITPLOD.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 03, 2020, 05:54:45 AM
I love the synths in the beginning with that riff. Somehow it gives me a..cyberpunk feel or something like this. It's not a long song, and while I do really like it, it could have used some more variety or be a minute shorter.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2020, 05:58:02 AM
I really liked the song actually. I wasn't thrilled that Ragnar left, but this gives me hope for the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on July 03, 2020, 06:03:20 AM
I really liked the song actually. I wasn't thrilled that Ragnar left, but this gives me hope for the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2020, 06:08:35 AM
It was a cool song. Still unsure why they want to produce the drums the way they are, I don't like the ultra lo-fi organic feel, but it's not distracting so whatever.

It's a little underwhelming, but I thought the same about most of the songs on ITPLOD and now I really love that album. So hopefully it's a grower.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 03, 2020, 06:23:00 AM
I like it. Don't love it, but do like it a lot. More, please.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2020, 06:24:40 AM
Interesting song.  Hard to judge from one listen.  Will probably work.very well in the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2020, 06:27:39 AM
I also feel like every pitch for a music video these days is like this

Director: Okay Daniel, my ideas are XYZ...thoughts?
Daniel:...........can I be shirtless through most of it?
Director: Sure, I guess
Daniel: Let's to it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 03, 2020, 06:29:26 AM
The intro riff and rhythm also reminds me a lot of Illuminate from Leprous. In fact, if this song was an instrumental I could definitely be fooled that it's some recent Leprous demo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 03, 2020, 06:36:12 AM
Meh on the first listen. It will probably grow on me though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 03, 2020, 08:41:29 AM
Haven't listened and will refrain until I get my signed Mediabook 2CD ltd edition
Pain of Salvation being one of my absolute favorites I'm pretty sure I will like this album too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on July 03, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
Haven't listened and will refrain until I get my signed Mediabook 2CD ltd edition

Where are you going to order a signed version?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on July 06, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
Pain of Salvation was my favourite band back when I (re-?)'discovered' them, so I'll keep following them. I got bummed out on them, or should I say Daniel in particular(?) because of some silly stuff he did or said when playing live, but there's no denying he's made some great progressive metal. I basically love all their albums, bar Scarsick, though I haven't listened to them in a long while. This first track was cool, I pre-ordered the album and I'll listen to it again when I get the album. Good stuff to look forward to :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 07, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
I got bummed out on them, or should I say Daniel in particular(?) because of some silly stuff he did or said when playing live, but there's no denying he's made some great progressive metal.
I'm pretty sure that the only way to really enjoy this band is to not take Daniel too seriously :corn I tend to like him both as a person and as a musician, but he is also... hm, how should I put this. Kinda challenging to listen to at times. No matter if it's a point in time where I agree with him or not. I should sandwich this in saying that this is obviously just me judging someone I really don't know, and that the only reason why I find it challenging is because I want to listen to him, I usually just ignore people whose vibes put me off even a little bit, but there is something different and compelling about Daniel that makes me want to sit through The Act of Daniel Being Daniel, and feel my patience challenged at times. Does that make any sense at all?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on July 07, 2020, 08:27:28 AM
What does he do and say live? Something similar to his hilarious fingerprint boycott?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 07, 2020, 08:37:27 AM
I think for me the biggest strength and weakness of the band is Daniel. His arrogance can be very off putting at times and he's one of few musicians I listen to who genuinely seems to believe his own music has something 'deeper' than the majority of the music out there and to me he sometimes seems a bit out of touch - just the marketing alone for this new album makes it sound like it's on par when with man discovered fire. However, that arrogance comes from a 100% sincere belief that everything he makes is something amazing and he puts all his passion and creativity into something. PoS overall have their good albums and their 'not so good' albums like any other band but despite albums like Scarsick, I feel like anything he makes will be at least worth checking out once. There's many bands where you don't even have to hear the new album to already know what it's like but PoS is one of those groups that go their own way and while it's not always perfect, it's at least interesting. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 07, 2020, 08:40:33 AM
Daniel is definitely very full of himself. Usually it doesn't bug me, but the one time it did was the credits on Road Salt.

The fact that he (seemingly) created a huge "who's to blame" section just to he can point out every time he played both guitars, or bass, or drums, or keyboards was really obnoxious.

That said, I haven't seen any Panther marketing that screamed arrogant. At least not more so than any other serious band promoting a new album. It'd be cool if more musicians were completely chill like Devin Townsend, but that's a rarity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on July 07, 2020, 08:44:02 AM
I can't remember what it was exactly, but I've seen Pain of Salvation live a bunch of times - in fact the thing that got me into them was their phenomenal live DVD - and at one point (this was at a prog festival) he made a point about not wanting to be too pretentious and not playing the stuff people would want to hear or something along those lines. Silly, almost narcissistic remarks in between songs, just unnecessary stuff. Don't pretend you're bigger than you are and let the music speak for itself; I remember the performance being really good. At some point I believe Daniel didn't really 'want' to be a prog metal outfit anymore (hence the Road Salts), but him not owning up to his past in live performances was kind of strange for me to see.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on July 07, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Daniel is definitely very full of himself. Usually it doesn't bug me, but the one time it did was the credits on Road Salt.

The fact that he (seemingly) created a huge "who's to blame" section just to he can point out every time he played both guitars, or bass, or drums, or keyboards was really obnoxious.

That said, I haven't seen any Panther marketing that screamed arrogant. At least not more so than any other serious band promoting a new album. It'd be cool if more musicians were completely chill like Devin Townsend, but that's a rarity.

The thing that stood out to me was the wording of the teaser for Panther which had lines like (i'm paraphrasing) "Thought-provoking..." "An important album" or something to that effect. Sure you can say the marketing team or whatever came up with that but it screams Daniel to me and I can't recall any other bands I like where they describe their own music in that way. Like don't get me wrong, i'm hyped for Panther based on liking the band but I don't think it will cure alzheimers.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 07, 2020, 08:49:15 AM
Daniel is definitely very full of himself. Usually it doesn't bug me, but the one time it did was the credits on Road Salt.

The fact that he (seemingly) created a huge "who's to blame" section just to he can point out every time he played both guitars, or bass, or drums, or keyboards was really obnoxious.

That said, I haven't seen any Panther marketing that screamed arrogant. At least not more so than any other serious band promoting a new album. It'd be cool if more musicians were completely chill like Devin Townsend, but that's a rarity.

The thing that stood out to me was the wording of the teaser for Panther which had lines like (i'm paraphrasing) "Thought-provoking..." "An important album" or something to that effect. Sure you can say the marketing team or whatever came up with that but it screams Daniel to me and I can't recall any other bands I like where they describe their own music in that way. Like don't get me wrong, i'm hyped for Panther based on liking the band but I don't think it will cure alzheimers.  :lol

I think that might be reading a bit of bias into it though. It's likely a marketing team, and I've seen tons of releases, movies or music, that are written like that. It doesn't stand out to me really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on July 07, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
Daniel is definitely very full of himself. Usually it doesn't bug me, but the one time it did was the credits on Road Salt.

The fact that he (seemingly) created a huge "who's to blame" section just to he can point out every time he played both guitars, or bass, or drums, or keyboards was really obnoxious.

That said, I haven't seen any Panther marketing that screamed arrogant. At least not more so than any other serious band promoting a new album. It'd be cool if more musicians were completely chill like Devin Townsend, but that's a rarity.

The thing that stood out to me was the wording of the teaser for Panther which had lines like (i'm paraphrasing) "Thought-provoking..." "An important album" or something to that effect. Sure you can say the marketing team or whatever came up with that but it screams Daniel to me and I can't recall any other bands I like where they describe their own music in that way. Like don't get me wrong, i'm hyped for Panther based on liking the band but I don't think it will cure alzheimers.  :lol

I think that might be reading a bit of bias into it though. It's likely a marketing team, and I've seen tons of releases, movies or music, that are written like that. It doesn't stand out to me really.
Yeah I assume Zantera means the thing that said "Intense, ever innovative and highly relevant", which I'm 95% certain will have come from InsideOut because that's what they do. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 07, 2020, 09:30:05 AM
I was wondering if I was being too negative in my remarks, and then you guys went all in on him  :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 07, 2020, 09:56:57 AM
I find him pretty offputting, but if the art the artist makes really dose it for me, then most of the time I just look the other way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 07, 2020, 02:05:54 PM
Daniel sometimes seems kinda full of himself, but if I would only listen to music from people who are down to earth, humble, not arrogant, nice etc. there isn't much music left to listen to.  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 07, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
Haven't listened and will refrain until I get my signed Mediabook 2CD ltd edition

Where are you going to order a signed version?

I ordered it from the bands own store

https://painofsalvation.com/store/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 07, 2020, 04:13:33 PM
I think Daniel is a genuine egoist who doesnt spend a whole lot of time thinking about anything other than his own accomplishments.  There is just too much evidence of his interactions with other band members to read it any other way.  I wouldn't really call him self-inflated though.  He pours every last bit of energy into everything he does and that lends him a certain righteousness.  It also makes him a very pleasant guy in any regular interactions to my knowledge.  But being in a band with him seems like a nightmare.

The new song is ok.  Has me missing the Road Salts, personally, where I felt like the band was really launching into unique and exciting territory.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
Pain of Salvation new album:  If you are hoping for a repeat of the prog metal sound of "In the Passing Light of Day" , this isn't it.  What this is, however, is crazy, cacophonous, brilliant, sexy, and straight-up cool progressive rock/metal/post-metal/electronica. This is possibly the wildest album they've ever made.

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2020, 11:22:28 AM
Pain of Salvation new album:  If you are hoping for a repeat of the prog metal sound of "In the Passing Light of Day" , this isn't it.  What this is, however, is crazy, cacophonous, brilliant, sexy, and straight-up cool progressive rock/metal/post-metal/electronica. This is possibly the wildest album they've ever made.

 :metal

Alrighty.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on July 20, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
Scarsick II?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Sadly "crazy, cacophonous, brilliant, sexy, and straight-up cool progressive rock/metal/post-metal/electronica" doesn't tell me much other than you really like it and it has some keyboards.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 20, 2020, 03:28:56 PM


Director: Okay Daniel, my ideas are XYZ...thoughts?
Daniel:...........can I be shirtless through most of it?
Director: Sure, I guess
Daniel: Let's to it!
:lol  I thought pretty much the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on July 20, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
First review

https://headbangersbr.com/resenha-pain-of-salvation-panther-2020/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on July 23, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
New review

http://allabouttherock.co.uk/pain-of-salvation-panther/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on July 25, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
Not sure what to think after reading this review.  "Dense, distorted electronic sounds are going to define this era of Pain Of Salvation" - not sure I like the sound of that.  I did like the first song though so going to give it a fair shot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on July 29, 2020, 03:05:56 AM
New review

http://allabouttherock.co.uk/pain-of-salvation-panther/

Having heard the album, I understand that kind of "meh"-opinion of the reviewer.

Still, I think what he's criticising is exactly what Gildenlöw intended. This album is not as accessible as some other PoS albums (if you can even say that). It has no Iter Impius/Silent Gold like ballads and no huge gestures like the title track of the last album. It's concise yet experimental, something different from the other albums, but still unmistakably PoS. The melodies are not as in-your-face as on other tracks by the band. But after a few listens I found myself unintentionally singing the title track's main theme or UNFUTURE's badass riff while doing something completely different.

As mentioned, I understand the reviewer's opinion. And I think PANTHER won't earn the universal praise that In The Passing Light got, because it will polarise. But I personally find this album amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on July 29, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
Positive review

http://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalogues/entry/reviews/cd_3/p_2/pain-of-salvation_2.htm
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on July 30, 2020, 02:20:39 AM
I expect nothing less from POS. Don't expect to ever get another Perfect Element Part 1, but everything they have released have given me a lot of listening pleasure in one way or another. Road Salt being the most uneven (some amazing, some mediocre) in my taste. And that POS reinvents themselves for every release can't be unexpected at this point ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on July 30, 2020, 03:09:49 AM
I expect nothing less from POS. Don't expect to ever get another Perfect Element Part 1, but everything they have released have given me a lot of listening pleasure in one way or another. Road Salt being the most uneven (some amazing, some mediocre) in my taste. And that POS reinvents themselves for every release can't be unexpected at this point ;D
Yeah, at this point I'd be kind of disappointed if they didn't. :lol I mean, I guess you could argue the last album was enough of a throwback to not bring anything new to the table. But I still thought it sounded fresh and exciting, I guess Ragnar's contribution helped a bit with that. And if this album really explores new ground then I'm down for it. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on July 31, 2020, 04:34:32 AM
Restless boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkU564tyD5M

No doubt a more interesting (not necessarily better) song than Accelerator to showcase the new sound. So far a really cool song that manages to deliver quite a lot during it's short span. The highlight is easily the section with rap / weird rhythm that feels typical POS but maybe missed a bit from the newer releases.

Really like what I hear so far! Fresh and interesting direction  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 31, 2020, 05:52:35 AM
I love it, this is exactly how far I wanted them to take the new sound when I heard Accelerator.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on July 31, 2020, 06:43:03 AM
Doesn't satisfy me on its own, but I definitely want to hear the album and form an opinion. They are definitely trying something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 31, 2020, 07:56:40 AM
Don't like either of the two songs.

Electronic is one of my favorite genres and I would loved to have an electronic focused POS album, but whatever he's going for here isn't doing it for me.

I'll still check out the full album though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on July 31, 2020, 03:17:41 PM
Not what I was expecting but I love it.  Bring the new album on!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: emtee on July 31, 2020, 04:50:36 PM
Don't like either of the songs. Not even a little.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 01, 2020, 01:01:01 AM
Herrick listened to the two songs: hmmm. I'm not into eletronica or whatever it's called BUTT I'd like to hear the full album. Restless Boy is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 01, 2020, 02:57:52 AM
Okay, this one does absolutely nothing for me, but I'm still excited for the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 01, 2020, 07:46:14 AM
Restless Boy is like Daniel doing his version of dubstep.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 01, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
Huh. Not sure what to think of that. In some ways I find it refreshing that he’s still trying to stretch himself artistically after 25 years or more of doing this. But I also think it somehow feels even more pretentious than the last few efforts (if that’s even possible).

I consider myself fairly tolerant, but now Daniel’s ego is starting to make me tired of him.  Not sure his over the top “I’m SUCH an artist!” schtick is doing it for me anymore. It felt young and fresh when he did BE (and I like BE) but it seems that was the beginning of a long slide of becoming more and more elitist. (Ironic, since he rails so hard against a slightly different form of elitist in Cribcaged)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 01, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
Huh. Not sure what to think of that. In some ways I find it refreshing that he’s still trying to stretch himself artistically after 25 years or more of doing this. But I also think it somehow feels even more pretentious than the last few efforts (if that’s even possible).

I consider myself fairly tolerant, but now Daniel’s ego is starting to make me tired of him.  Not sure his over the top “I’m SUCH an artist!” schtick is doing it for me anymore. It felt young and fresh when he did BE (and I like BE) but it seems that was the beginning of a long slide of becoming more and more elitist. (Ironic, since he rails so hard against a slightly different form of elitist in Cribcaged)

What is pretentious about the last few albums?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 01, 2020, 10:09:06 AM
Huh. Not sure what to think of that. In some ways I find it refreshing that he’s still trying to stretch himself artistically after 25 years or more of doing this. But I also think it somehow feels even more pretentious than the last few efforts (if that’s even possible).

I consider myself fairly tolerant, but now Daniel’s ego is starting to make me tired of him.  Not sure his over the top “I’m SUCH an artist!” schtick is doing it for me anymore. It felt young and fresh when he did BE (and I like BE) but it seems that was the beginning of a long slide of becoming more and more elitist. (Ironic, since he rails so hard against a slightly different form of elitist in Cribcaged)

What is pretentious about the last few albums?

This almost made me giggle because I feel like it’s so obvious that I suddenly find it hard to quantify. Everything really. Everything is just so over the top. It’s like if he was an actor you totally imagine him saying “I can’t work like this. I’ll be in my trailer.“ A good example was that last video for (I think it was) Meaningless? Is that the one where he’s making love to a naked girl while being bathed in blood?

EDIT - then there’s the entire song from road salt about how I really love my wife but I really wanted to nail her sister

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone accuse Daniel of not being pretentious. LOL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 01, 2020, 10:26:53 AM
Huh. Not sure what to think of that. In some ways I find it refreshing that he’s still trying to stretch himself artistically after 25 years or more of doing this. But I also think it somehow feels even more pretentious than the last few efforts (if that’s even possible).

I consider myself fairly tolerant, but now Daniel’s ego is starting to make me tired of him.  Not sure his over the top “I’m SUCH an artist!” schtick is doing it for me anymore. It felt young and fresh when he did BE (and I like BE) but it seems that was the beginning of a long slide of becoming more and more elitist. (Ironic, since he rails so hard against a slightly different form of elitist in Cribcaged)

What is pretentious about the last few albums?

This almost made me giggle because I feel like it’s so obvious that I suddenly find it hard to quantify. Everything really. Everything is just so over the top. It’s like if he was an actor you totally imagine him saying “I can’t work like this. I’ll be in my trailer.“ A good example was that last video for (I think it was) Meaningless? Is that the one where he’s making love to a naked girl while being bathed in blood?

EDIT - then there’s the entire song from road salt about how I really love my wife but I really wanted to nail her sister

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone accuse Daniel of not being pretentious. LOL

LoL which Road Salt song is that? I never got into those albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 01, 2020, 10:57:06 AM
Sisters
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 01, 2020, 10:58:04 AM
Sisters

I'll have to check that one out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 01, 2020, 10:59:16 AM
It’s the best song on Road Salt imo. Musically anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 01, 2020, 11:04:18 AM
It’s the best song on Road Salt imo. Musically anyway.

Just because Daniel is pretentious doesn’t necessarily mean that everything he does is bad. Sisters is actually a very good song. I actually think the title track from in the passing light of day is one of the better things he’s ever done. But in the broader scope of his last several albums, his over the top approach has become a bit tiresome to me.

This latest song just kind of gave me that realization
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on August 02, 2020, 12:32:13 PM
I quite like Restless Boy (or should I say: RESTLESS BOY.. gee).

I would’ve liked it a lot even with the sudden rhythmic outbursts of harsh rapping and monotonous chuggachug. The vibe and chords are nice and the main verse melody are so strong that it felt quite disruptive, but I’m getting used to it I guess.

Also quite fond of Accelerator, the main melody of that one and especially the outro part is so stuck in my head.

Still hoping for some old school PoS guitar solos though.. Used, Ashes, A Trace of Blood. That kind of stuff. Still, I like this new style and that kind of guitar work probably wouldn’t work in this context.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
For me there always seems to be a bit of a connection between the artists getting bigger and treating their work like it's more important and also the output either getting worse or less interesting. I kinda feel this way not just with Daniel and PoS but also with Steven Wilson or even Mikael Åkerfeldt in Opeth. For me it's actually a bit of a turn off because I feel the music should speak for itself. If you as an artist feel a need to gush over your new album and tell me how great it is or how profound it is - chances are I won't really get any of that from actually listening to it.

Don't really mean this to be harsh to anyone specific though. I'm definitely interested to hear this new PoS album!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2020, 03:26:32 PM
I thought Restless Boy was excellent.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 03, 2020, 12:20:03 AM
For me there always seems to be a bit of a connection between the artists getting bigger and treating their work like it's more important and also the output either getting worse or less interesting. I kinda feel this way not just with Daniel and PoS but also with Steven Wilson or even Mikael Åkerfeldt in Opeth. For me it's actually a bit of a turn off because I feel the music should speak for itself. If you as an artist feel a need to gush over your new album and tell me how great it is or how profound it is - chances are I won't really get any of that from actually listening to it.

Don't really mean this to be harsh to anyone specific though. I'm definitely interested to hear this new PoS album!

Well, they're all going to say their latest work is the best they've ever done when they get interviewed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 03, 2020, 08:34:53 AM
For me there always seems to be a bit of a connection between the artists getting bigger and treating their work like it's more important and also the output either getting worse or less interesting. I kinda feel this way not just with Daniel and PoS but also with Steven Wilson or even Mikael Åkerfeldt in Opeth. For me it's actually a bit of a turn off because I feel the music should speak for itself. If you as an artist feel a need to gush over your new album and tell me how great it is or how profound it is - chances are I won't really get any of that from actually listening to it.

Don't really mean this to be harsh to anyone specific though. I'm definitely interested to hear this new PoS album!

Well, they're all going to say their latest work is the best they've ever done when they get interviewed.

True and that's fine but I feel like when they try to distance themselves from the old stuff to show us how much they believe in the new stuff then it can be a bit frustrating. I feel like PoS/Daniel kinda did this around Road Salt (imo that's how I felt at least), SW had a few years when he seemed dismissive of PT and did not want any of their songs close to his solo set, Opeth did their 'non metal songs only'-tour around when they dropped Heritage.

I don't really mind that an artist wants to sell us on the new album (they should!) but sometimes they do it by knocking down the older stuff and sometimes they do it by overhyping it to a point where i'm losing interest rather than gaining it. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 03, 2020, 08:38:08 AM
Did Daniel distance himself?

I mean, didn't they do a whole Remedy Lane thing after RS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 03, 2020, 09:30:17 AM
Did Daniel distance himself?

I mean, didn't they do a whole Remedy Lane thing after RS?

I remember some interview with him around that time trying to distance himself and the band from prog metal and kinda saying they don't want to be lumped together with bands like Dream Theater or Ayreon and so on. I know since then they have loosened up on that and they played RL in full, they re-issued those classic albums on vinyl again and ITPLOD was a step back into that genre again. But for a brief window with the Road Salts they definitely tried for something different. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 03, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
Yea, I remember that.

It was an odd thing, but I also remember SO many bands recently trying to distance themselves from their respective genres. The mentality seems to be that if you're a "whatever" band, then you're expected to stick to it VERY strictly. Like Jinjer is one of my favorite new bands, and they are definitely metal, but they do a lot of jazzy stuff, and so forth, so they said they aren't a metal band. I assume DG meant it in a similar (also silly) way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: RoeDent on August 03, 2020, 01:24:45 PM
It's always the way. I guess everyone might be embarrassed by earlier creative output and have an identity crisis trying to distance themselves, before eventually giving up that fight and accepting their entire creative history.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 03, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
It's always the way. I guess everyone might be embarrassed by earlier creative output and have an identity crisis trying to distance themselves, before eventually giving up that fight and accepting their entire creative history.

This seems to happen when they become "artists".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 06, 2020, 05:25:55 AM
I got to hear "Panther". I'm very happy with how this album turned out. I guess the production may be a bit divisive but I'm pleasantly surprised by the great balance between dystopian/robotic and emotional/human elements.

Also can we give Daniel some respect on how he always finds a way to surprise and add surprising new elements to Pain of Salvation's music. This new album sounds so typical of him and yet nothing like most of the stuff they've released before.

If you guys have any specific questions about the album, I'll be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 06, 2020, 05:43:22 AM
If you guys have any specific questions about the album, I'll be happy to answer them.
Thank you!!

1) Is there a story?

2) Most people say Restless Boy sounds more like a ambient interlude/concept album fragment, is it the most ambient piece on the album with the rest of the songs being more like solid songs, or are there more songs like that??

3) How would you rank it in their discography overall?

4) What are some moments in particular that stood out to you?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 06, 2020, 05:46:34 AM
How much does it differ in sound/style from the last album?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 06, 2020, 07:09:30 AM
If you guys have any specific questions about the album, I'll be happy to answer them.
Thank you!!

1) Is there a story?

2) Most people say Restless Boy sounds more like a ambient interlude/concept album fragment, is it the most ambient piece on the album with the rest of the songs being more like solid songs, or are there more songs like that??

3) How would you rank it in their discography overall?

4) What are some moments in particular that stood out to you?

1. Not so sure if there's a linear story with each track following the previous one (like in The Perfect Element or BE) since i still haven't paid that much attention to the lyrics in details. But there is definitely a specific theme throughout the album (just like in Remedy Lane, Scarsick and Road Salt, I guess). I expected the lyrics to be way more straight-forward political based on the descriptions and the press release but they're really not. They're more focused on the themes of individuality and being an outsider in a world that tries to break down everything that's "different". Typical Gildenlow, you know, haha, but it's also very universal and relatable for many different groups of people. It's easy to tell this topic is very dear and personal to Daniel with one of his children living with Down syndrome, etc.

2. I wouldn't consider "Restless Boy" an interlude or something but it is the most ambient/electronic song in the album. And it's the shortest one there - the outro of the closing track "Icon" itself is as long as "Restless Boy". The rest of the songs are what you consider "solid songs", I bet. It's a weird choice for a single given the sound and structure of the rest but... you never know with Pain of Salvation

3. It's too early to talk about any rankings. Progressive metal/rock albums take time to grow and I'm still at the beginning of that 'journey'. It will probably become clearer in a month or two. But it's not their best, neither their worst, for sure.

4. My favorite moments in the album are the last two minutes of "Accelerator", the beautiful guitar, piano and vocals in "Wait", the interlude "Fur" segueing into the ballsy title track (many people will find it try-hard, I guess, but it sounds great to me) and the verses and chorus in "Icon" (another great PoS closing track, they really don't know how to make bad closers).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 06, 2020, 07:19:52 AM
How much does it differ in sound/style from the last album?

It's very different in style from "In the Passing Light of Day". The only thing the two albums have in common are the heavy guitars and the 'organic' drum sound that I tend to find a bit grating at times but not enough to ruin the experience for me when everything else sounds great. Other than that "Panther" is much more electronic and industrial.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 07, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
I can't wait for you guys to hear "Icon". It's such a beautiful and heartbreaking composition (in a way that most of their closing tracks have been) even though it takes time to grow.

I guess it would have been even better if it didn't have the heavy instrumental outro that lasts 3 minutes, as the final melody before it is a total tearjerker, but you can also consider it a final call to arms when it comes to the specific sound/style of the album. Other than that, it's perfection and one of their most powerful songs. There is not a vocal melody on it that is not stunning - from verses to chorus to that final part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 11, 2020, 10:03:28 AM
Leo did a drum video of him playing the new single and it made me realize just how annoying Daniel is getting with how he mixes drums. The video drums sounded SO good compared to the actual album recording.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 11, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Yea, I remember that.

I do too and it actually trned me off from the band for quite some time, to the point I was getting annoyed with Daniel's stage antics when I saw him live for the umpteenth time.

---

I just listened to Restless Boy for the first time and thought it was really cool. Definitely one of the more interesting things they've done recently. I won't listen again, because I don't want to spoil the album (pre-ordered btw).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 11, 2020, 01:32:21 PM
Scarsick II?


God, I hope not.  Sounded somewhat similar to the last album which I thought was pretty decent.  I don't really have an opinion on Daniel's ego.  All I really care about is the music and as long as it's not more of that Road Salt-style crap, or another Scarsick, which I wouldn't use as a coaster for my urine sample, I'll be happy  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 11, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
Yea, I remember that.

I do too and it actually trned me off from the band for quite some time, to the point I was getting annoyed with Daniel's stage antics when I saw him live for the umpteenth time.



Not unlike Steven Wilson.  Didn't he also say he doesn't appreciate being lumped in with prog bands and he doesn't even really like prog or something to that affect?  That whole "I'm an artist that's above being confined to any certain musical genre" thing.  Funny thing is, I do love most of SW's and Daniel's music - but could do without the "I'm an artist" shtick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 11, 2020, 06:02:13 PM
Scarsick II?


God, I hope not.  Sounded somewhat similar to the last album which I thought was pretty decent.  I don't really have an opinion on Daniel's ego.  All I really care about is the music and as long as it's not more of that Road Salt-style crap, or another Scarsick, which I wouldn't use as a coaster for my urine sample, I'll be happy  :)

If it was Scarsick 2, wouldn’t that technically make it TPE 3?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 11, 2020, 10:18:54 PM
Yea, I remember that.

I do too and it actually trned me off from the band for quite some time, to the point I was getting annoyed with Daniel's stage antics when I saw him live for the umpteenth time.



Not unlike Steven Wilson.  Didn't he also say he doesn't appreciate being lumped in with prog bands and he doesn't even really like prog or something to that affect?  That whole "I'm an artist that's above being confined to any certain musical genre" thing.  Funny thing is, I do love most of SW's and Daniel's music - but could do without the "I'm an artist" shtick

Funny thing: They are artists.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 12, 2020, 01:59:31 AM
Yea, I remember that.

I do too and it actually trned me off from the band for quite some time, to the point I was getting annoyed with Daniel's stage antics when I saw him live for the umpteenth time.



Not unlike Steven Wilson.  Didn't he also say he doesn't appreciate being lumped in with prog bands and he doesn't even really like prog or something to that affect?  That whole "I'm an artist that's above being confined to any certain musical genre" thing.  Funny thing is, I do love most of SW's and Daniel's music - but could do without the "I'm an artist" shtick

I'm pretty sure Steven Wilson once said something along the lines of not wanting to play festivals that focused on 'Prog', because with his solo band he intended to distance himself from the Porcupine Tree prog label, or something like that.



Funny thing: They are artists.

Why is that funny? The thing people in this thread are on about is not the fact that they are or are not, but the notion both of them want to let that be known to their audience in blatant and sometimes downright silly ways. Gildenlow not owning up to his prog past, for example, or Steven Wilson making fun of his audiences because 'Permanating' was a joyful dance tune and people didn't like that. I don't give a crap. Make you music, perform it, own up to it, but don't give your audience the idea that  you think you're better than them or that they owe you something, because you're the one creating it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 12, 2020, 02:30:11 AM
It is especially funny when artists do that because in most cases, if not all, it's that thing they distance themselves from is what put them on the map in the first place.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 12, 2020, 03:28:21 AM
From Pain of Salvation official instagram:

Quote from: Daniel
@travismcginnis Nah, I find it absolutely refreshing to belong to a music style that constitutes a whopping 0% of my total music rotation. Utterly spiffy. 😂 I am just never getting entirely used to the confusion it evokes in me. See, I honestly think we make awesome music, and although I can come up with a stunning number of adjectives to describe my view on progressive metal, awesome is simply not one of them. Not by a long shot. So you see, there's an obvious discrepancy there, and despite my vast mental capacities, I repeatedly fail to fill that gap. 🧐 Empirically, thus, either we must in fact be different from all other progressive metal bands and placed in the wrong genre, or I am simply wrong when I like our own music. Both prospects are unnerving. 😉

I think that pretty clearly describes his view on the prog metal thing. I have seen them live tons of time and he usually mentions prog metal and how he isn't a fan of it. It's just irritating at this point because it really doesn't matter. Honestly Steven Wilson, Riverside, POS and all other bands that feel confused and betrayed (or whatever they feel) by being part of prog metal should also start realizing that they have fans because of it. I am so tired of these bands giving hints how Dream Theater isn't something they like and they are totally different. Mike invited POS several times to the Prog festivals and cruises which most likely wouldn't happen if they didn't share a fan base (and ofc Mike liking them).

Labels are stupid when used wrong, I get that. In end it's like humans, irritating to be seen as part of a label you didn't agree to instead of seen as an individual or some other label you feel connected to. But that label is also a great tool for many music lovers to find the band. I don't know a better label for POS honestly. I do agree a lot of their music is accessible outside of prog metal and my wife, mother, father, friends etc. all have songs they really like from them. That kinda applies to Dream Theater as well but yeah.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 12, 2020, 03:52:40 AM
Honestly Steven Wilson, Riverside, POS and all other bands that feel confused and betrayed (or whatever they feel) by being part of prog metal should also start realizing that they have fans because of it.
There are differences between their approaches as well. Steven Wilson says he wants to cross over and not be thought of as a prog artist anymore, and he does try to do so. Mariusz Duda says he'd like to get a different label as well, but Riverside isn't quite there on the crossing over thing and he only says so when he's asked and generally doesn't dwell on that a whole lot, he goes back and forth. Daniel pretending he has absolutely zero idea why people call them prog metal is.......... uggggggghhhhh. Could it be that you don't know because you listen to zero prog metal and thus don't know there is plenty of music under the prog metal umbrella that does sound like PoS, Daniel. ::) maybe I'm wrong because the size of my intellect is no match to yours after all but ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 12, 2020, 03:58:59 AM
Labels have always been more for the fans and not the band. I just see them as "your music is most likely to connect the most with this audience" and not "your music is like Dream Theater". is OSI progressive metal? Yet what is the most likely group of people to listen to that band? There is science-fiction about stupid robots and lasers, there's science-fiction that can make you think about the deepest things in life. Does this happen with authors? "My books are not scifi lol dats stupid cos lasers".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 12, 2020, 04:01:05 AM
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despite my vast mental capacities

Wow :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 12, 2020, 04:08:05 AM
Does this happen with authors? "My books are not scifi lol dats stupid cos lasers".
Yes, Margaret Atwood is one famous case of exactly this.

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despite my vast mental capacities

Wow :lol
I have to repeat myself :lol

I'm pretty sure that the only way to really enjoy this band is to not take Daniel too seriously :corn I tend to like him both as a person and as a musician, but he is also... hm, how should I put this. Kinda challenging to listen to at times.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 12, 2020, 04:17:17 AM
To be honest, that mental capacity comment I think is made in jest as his entire comment is written in such a way and from some of his facebook posts I've read, he doesn't usually attempt to write like a literature professor from 1875.
Does this happen with authors? "My books are not scifi lol dats stupid cos lasers".
Yes, Margaret Atwood is one famous case of exactly this.
:lol, never heard of her. I'll have to check her out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 12, 2020, 04:26:41 AM
Let’s talk further about Daniel’s vast mental capabilities :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 12, 2020, 05:40:18 AM
BTW the "vast mental capabilities" I read as a self-realization of sort basically indicating that he knows this is how he talks or is seen as. That doesn't mean it gets less irritating when he does, but yeah  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 12, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
 I went back and forth with POS, and while I enjoy every listen of their old material, I never had the drive to explore them more and to become more than a casual listener. I find that their music requires ENGAGEMENT to fully appreciate it, and it doesn't really work as background music. With that said, I received Panther, and quite liked it!!! It's a very experimental album, and they are certainly worthy of praise - they never do the same album twice, and continue to explore new ground.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
Why is that funny? The thing people in this thread are on about is not the fact that they are or are not, but the notion both of them want to let that be known to their audience in blatant and sometimes downright silly ways. Gildenlow not owning up to his prog past, for example, or Steven Wilson making fun of his audiences because 'Permanating' was a joyful dance tune and people didn't like that. I don't give a crap. Make you music, perform it, own up to it, but don't give your audience the idea that  you think you're better than them or that they owe you something, because you're the one creating it.

Ah yes, I realized that the point here, for days, is that they are not humble enough.


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2020, 09:00:52 AM

I am so tired of these bands giving hints how Dream Theater isn't something they like and they are totally different.

Ah, that is the point. What most annoys DT fans about DG and SW is that they don't like DT, they don't like the style of the band, they don't like what the band represents, especially as a kind of "definition" of prog metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 12, 2020, 09:12:26 AM
Really now?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 12, 2020, 12:56:39 PM
I couldn't care less what DG thinks of himself and his music as long as he's creating good music.

And I'm not sure if everything he says is meant that serious. On the making of video of Ayreon's 10101001 Arjen Lucassen tells that Daniel at first didn't want to be part of it because he doesn't like cheesy science fiction stuff. And when Arjen visited Daniel to record his vocals, it turned out that he has one of the largest Star Wars memorabilia collection Arjen has ever seen.  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2020, 01:10:15 PM
I couldn't care less what DG thinks of himself and his music as long as he's creating good music.

And I'm not sure if everything he says is meant that serious. On the making of video of Ayreon's 10101001 Arjen Lucassen tells that Daniel at first didn't want to be part of it because he doesn't like cheesy science fiction stuff. And when Arjen visited Daniel to record his vocals, it turned out that he has one of the largest Star Wars memorabilia collection Arjen has ever seen.  :D

We even have an example above. The "vast mental capacities" is clearly a mockery (and he even put an emoji to facilitate interpretation  :lol).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 12, 2020, 01:10:25 PM
Labels have always been more for the fans and not the band. I just see them as "your music is most likely to connect the most with this audience" and not "your music is like Dream Theater". is OSI progressive metal? Yet what is the most likely group of people to listen to that band? There is science-fiction about stupid robots and lasers, there's science-fiction that can make you think about the deepest things in life. Does this happen with authors? "My books are not scifi lol dats stupid cos lasers".

Actually yes, there are several fantasy authors who try to avoid the genre tag because they write real stories and not silly kid stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 12, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
It is especially funny when artists do that because in most cases, if not all, it's that thing they distance themselves from is what put them on the map in the first place.

Bingo!  Then they have an almost condescending attitude towards us fans because that's the music WE like.  I applaud them for trying new things - but don't give us fans crap for not always being onboard with their "new direction".  We like what we like!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 13, 2020, 02:42:46 AM

I am so tired of these bands giving hints how Dream Theater isn't something they like and they are totally different.

Ah, that is the point. What most annoys DT fans about DG and SW is that they don't like DT, they don't like the style of the band, they don't like what the band represents, especially as a kind of "definition" of prog metal.

What. That is 100% wrong  ;D DG and POS is bloody brilliant. I just think DT is such a nice band that happens to do what they love and always say positive things about all other bands. They constantly get shit for being soulless or whatever and it saddens me that it's considered a bad thing to share the same label as DT for some reason.

Anyway I am really looking forward to Panther. POS has some of the most exciting releases imo. You never know where it will be heading but there's always strong emotional melodies and lyrics.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 13, 2020, 04:05:31 AM
they never do the same album twice
Except Road Salt  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 13, 2020, 04:08:42 AM
Haha well played. That was even supposed to be a double album?

BTW I did a remix of Road Salt using my favourite songs trying to make it go from light and end really dark:

A. LIGHT SIDE
=============
- What She Means to Me
- No Way
- Road Salt Theme
- 1979
- To the Shoreline
- Healing Now
- Sisters
- Of Dust
- Sleeping Under the Stars
- Innocence


B. DARK SIDE
============
- Darkness of Mine
- Where It Hurts
- Break Darling Break
- Road Salt
- Of Salt
- Through the Distance
- If You Wait
- Gone
- End Credits


I still really enjoy this version  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2020, 05:06:21 AM
You left out at least two of the best tracks, but props for including Break Darling Break
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 13, 2020, 05:43:31 AM
I like the Road Salts more than most people (rank them over Scarsick, for starters), and even I would trim my ideal Road Salt pretty far down from what they released. But it's all good and over now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 13, 2020, 05:49:50 AM
You left out at least two of the best tracks, but props for including Break Darling Break

Yeah I was really missing The Physics of a Gridlock and To The Shoreline when I looked at it. Did this very long time ago, maybe update time! The best part of this remix is the run from Where It Hurts to Gone. It flows nicely and gets increasingly sad  :biggrin:

I think Road Salt is really cool. Sadly it would have been even stronger with a better flow and some trimming. Mixing is also strange (1979 is so sharp). But the sound itself is fantastic on the CDs!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2020, 05:59:41 AM
I was talking about The Deeper Cut and Mortar Grind, to be honest :)

I like Road Salts better than Scarsick

Hey, me too!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 13, 2020, 06:33:20 AM
Mortar Grind slaps. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2020, 08:47:00 AM
I feel like the Road Salt albums get overlooked a bit unfortunately, especially RS2 which I would argue is great. Only dent on the Road Salts from my own perspective is I don't care for the sound they went for with the mixing and the 'trying to sound like a 70s album' retro aspect but musically I think both of them are pretty good - RS2 especially.

While I know many feel ITPLOD was their return to form after some 'meh' years, I feel like the Road Salts don't even belong in the same discussion as Scarsick which is easily their worst imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2020, 09:30:51 AM
Scarsick is so far below their other releases, I can't even remember the last time I listened to it. It's the only PoS album I don't own.

That said; some of the tracks are quite cool on their live DVD and Mrs. Modern Mother Mary suddenly wasn't their worst song ever after the treatment it got on Falling Home.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 13, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
Road Salts have some very good songs. The Physics of Gridlock sucks though, in my opinion. They closed one of the shows I saw them live with it, and it was the most boring eight minutes of their shows ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
Road Salts have some very good songs. The Physics of Gridlock sucks though, in my opinion. They closed one of the shows I saw them live with it, and it was the most boring eight minutes of their shows ever.

I'd take that song over Rope Ends or Beyond the Pale personally.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 13, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
Yeah, but our tastes are so far apart I'm not surprised by that in the slightest :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2020, 10:21:07 AM
Road Salts have some very good songs. The Physics of Gridlock sucks though, in my opinion. They closed one of the shows I saw them live with it, and it was the most boring eight minutes of their shows ever.

I'd take that song over Rope Ends or Beyond the Pale personally.

That's a stretch, but I think it's a great track.

Innocence is the one that sucks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 13, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Road Salts have some very good songs. The Physics of Gridlock sucks though, in my opinion. They closed one of the shows I saw them live with it, and it was the most boring eight minutes of their shows ever.

Is that the one where he speaks for a while in French?

Forget BE. That might be the most pretentious Daniel thing yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
It's that one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2020, 11:26:57 AM
Road Salts have some very good songs. The Physics of Gridlock sucks though, in my opinion. They closed one of the shows I saw them live with it, and it was the most boring eight minutes of their shows ever.

I'd take that song over Rope Ends or Beyond the Pale personally.

That's a stretch, but I think it's a great track.

Innocence is the one that sucks.

I think my controversial PoS take would be that as much as I like Remedy Lane, it never clicked for me beyond that point and would not make my top3 PoS albums. (those would be BE, TPE and Entropia)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 13, 2020, 11:45:10 AM
I really like Road Salt 1, but Innocence is not a good closer, starts strong but the chorus totally kills it. Road Salt 2, although it is in the same vein, has left me mostly cold.

Forget BE. That might be the most pretentious Daniel thing yet.

BE is the very definition of pretentiousness.  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 13, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
I feel like listening to POS not expecting it to be pretentious is at this point like going to Marvel movie not expecting over the top action  :biggrin:

That said BE is fantastic. Nihil Morari is top 10 favorite songs ever in my book.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 13, 2020, 12:19:12 PM
I've revisited Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake this past couple of days on my ways to and from work/home. Really didn't appreciate OHBTCL when it was released. I'm really liking it a lot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 13, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
Coincidentally, 'BE' just arrived in the mail. I finally snapped about getting this cd. I have always listened to the Live version. I only have heard the studio on Spotify.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 13, 2020, 02:19:50 PM
Any of you guys have 12:05?  I just recently picked this up.  Pretty cool live acoustic show with more of their ballady/melodic tracks from Entropia - Remedy Lane. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 13, 2020, 02:21:50 PM
Any of you guys have 12:05?  I just recently picked this up.  Pretty cool live acoustic show with more of their ballady/melodic tracks from Entropia - Remedy Lane.

This was actually my first album from them. It did NOT connect with me at first...at all. I thought it was just odd, but then again, I wasn't familiar with any of the songs before. Once I got into Entropia-Remedy Lane, 12:5 really clicked. I love that album. I love whenever PoS change up their songs like that. It's usually really creative and unique.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2020, 02:27:32 PM
12:5 is probably the best thing they have done IMO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 13, 2020, 03:05:50 PM
Any of you guys have 12:05?  I just recently picked this up.  Pretty cool live acoustic show with more of their ballady/melodic tracks from Entropia - Remedy Lane.

This was actually my first album from them. It did NOT connect with me at first...at all. I thought it was just odd, but then again, I wasn't familiar with any of the songs before. Once I got into Entropia-Remedy Lane, 12:5 really clicked. I love that album. I love whenever PoS change up their songs like that. It's usually really creative and unique.

I can see that.  My experience is the exact opposite - I've have had all these albums for years, so it immediately clicked.  Great melodies and great vocal performance from Daniel throughout.  This was probably him at his peak vocal prowess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 13, 2020, 06:44:53 PM
I’m very lukewarm on 12:5. Some performances are great, and the CD as a whole is an interesting setlist and performance. But the acappella section of Winning a War sounds WAY off key to me, and it kind of kills an otherwise interesting version.

I’m not sure if someone is off key, or there was a choice of a note on the fly that just didn’t work with what everyone else is doing (I’ve seen that happen in a live setting before) but there’s a couple of brief notes in that section that are just dreadful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 13, 2020, 09:13:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wc3yjwfyKM

New song - Panther

Let the games begin...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 13, 2020, 10:20:54 PM
I thought this was alright after one listen. Definitely not on the level of Accelerator but I like it more than Restless Boy.

I probably won't listen to it more and just wait for the whole album to drop.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on August 13, 2020, 11:29:27 PM
That was a rough listen. Seems catchy enough, but I can't say this is what I look for in music, especially not Pain of Salvation's.

Fred Durst verse = a hard :tdwn
Tori Amos chorus = a light :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on August 14, 2020, 12:27:43 AM
Fred Durst? More like Eminem imitation to me. Not my thing at all, cool for a spin, perhaps two. But this song won't get any playtime from me in the future.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 14, 2020, 01:40:28 AM
I thought it was great on first listen! But I am also 100% in on the rap thing Daniel goes for. Not that I think he is a good rapper, I just like it anyway. However this is the best version of that. Rap on Scarsick had awesome flow but I could ofc hear that it wasn't perfect. This is a much better version more fitting for Daniel imo. Cool song! Really look forward to Panther and enjoy the style it seems to take.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on August 14, 2020, 02:46:44 AM
IMO, his rapping has gotten increasingly more irksome after the likes of Used, Diffidentia et al. I hadn't missed it post-Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 14, 2020, 04:30:40 AM
I found the 3 songs to be really underwhelming. Disappointed so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kyo on August 14, 2020, 04:32:22 AM
I've revisited Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake this past couple of days on my ways to and from work/home. Really didn't appreciate OHBTCL when it was released. I'm really liking it a lot.

One Hour by the Concrete Lake is great and quite interesting musically. It's a pity that given the chance to remix and remaster one of their older albums, they went with Remedy Lane (which has always sounded fine) rather than One Hour with its harsh production.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 14, 2020, 05:23:58 AM
I've revisited Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake this past couple of days on my ways to and from work/home. Really didn't appreciate OHBTCL when it was released. I'm really liking it a lot.

One Hour by the Concrete Lake is great and quite interesting musically. It's a pity that given the chance to remix and remaster one of their older albums, they went with Remedy Lane (which has always sounded fine) rather than One Hour with its harsh production.

Well I think it makes sense since Remedy Lane is just such a fan favorite. I loved the remix of RL and have increased the number of listens quite dramatically for me. I would love remixes of OHBTCL and Entropia but it's just not albums that ever gonna grow to the point where they stand a chance against TPE or RL for me and I guess a lot of fans. So what I mean is that if you release a remix that you want a lot of spins from RL makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
What I am hearing with song 3 is it starts off sounding like early Linkin Park and then I can sort of hear Eminem and maybe even some Korn, like how jonathan davis sings. Like this one best so far I guess.

6 more songs to explore  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 14, 2020, 07:35:07 AM
I'm actually digging this one. Sounds refreshing. This is the 1st PoS single I listen to. I will wait for the rest of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 14, 2020, 07:44:23 AM
Like this one best so far I guess.

Definitely! This really has me intrigued for the full thing now. Like with the other singles, one listen is enough for now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2020, 07:45:27 AM
Love it. Minus the meh production.

These videos on the other hand.......eesh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 14, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
I’m very lukewarm on 12:5. Some performances are great, and the CD as a whole is an interesting setlist and performance. But the acappella section of Winning a War sounds WAY off key to me, and it kind of kills an otherwise interesting version.

I’m not sure if someone is off key, or there was a choice of a note on the fly that just didn’t work with what everyone else is doing (I’ve seen that happen in a live setting before) but there’s a couple of brief notes in that section that are just dreadful.

Yes, I hear it - and hear some other off key backing vocals throughout.  But Daniel mostly sounds excellent on this from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 14, 2020, 12:44:11 PM
Probably my least favorite of the 3 singles so far.  Won't listen to it again until the albums out so I can hear it in context with the rest of the songs.  Still excited about this release though, as I really dug the first two tunes
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 14, 2020, 03:02:48 PM
Anyone knows a good US site where I could pre-order the Panther mediabook? I’d just like the best site possible. Would the Century Media site be a good choice?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 14, 2020, 06:53:43 PM
Anyone knows a good US site where I could pre-order the Panther mediabook? I’d just like the best site possible. Would the Century Media site be a good choice?

https://www.lasercd.com/cd/panther-2cd-mediabook-preorder
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 15, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
Okay, here we go -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. In the Passing Light of Day
5. BE
6. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7. Road Salts One
8. Road Slats Two
9. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 15, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Okay, here we go -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. In the Passing Light of Day
5. BE
6. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7. Road Salts One
8. Road Slats Two
9. Scarsick

I would swap 7 and 9. But other than that, this would be my list

EDIT - also the entire pack of 4 thru 6 are so close that they would shuffle randomly depending on my mood that day
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
1. BE
2. The Perfect Element
3. Entropia
4. In the Passing Light of Day
5. Road Salt 2
6. Remedy Lane
7. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
8. Road Salt 1
9. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2020, 12:45:58 PM
Oh ratings. Eh. But sure. I know my numbers 1 and 2 but the rest are a little less certain.

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Be
4. Entropia
5. In The Passing Light of Day
6. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick
8. Road Salt 2
9. Road Salt 1

If we’re adding in the acoustic albums, they’d both be in the middle.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 15, 2020, 12:51:15 PM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. In The Passing Light Of Day
5. Road Salt 1
6. Scarsick
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake
8. Road Salt 2
9. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 15, 2020, 02:54:24 PM
Okay, here we go -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. In the Passing Light of Day
5. BE
6. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7. Road Salts One
8. Road Slats Two
9. Scarsick

I would swap 7 and 9. But other than that, this would be my list

EDIT - also the entire pack of 4 thru 6 are so close that they would shuffle randomly depending on my mood that day

I've got to put Road Salts One above the other two based on Sisters and Road Salts alone.  I love both those tracks.  And yes, 4 thru 6 are close.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 15, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
Road Salt One
Road Salt Two
The Perfect Element
BE
Remedy Lane
Scarsick
ITPLOD
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 15, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
Road Salt One
Road Salt Two
The Perfect Element
BE
Remedy Lane
Scarsick
ITPLOD
Entropia
OHBTCL


You’re doing it wrong. ;D :coolio

j/k obviously
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on August 15, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
1 - BE
2 - Remedy Lane
3 - The Perfect Element
4 - Entropia
5 - Scarsick
6 - One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7 - Road Salt One / Road Salt Two
8 - In The Passing Light of Day
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on August 15, 2020, 08:30:17 PM
1 - Remedy Lane
2 - Entropia (and it's very close to Remedy Lane. I love its diversity - Pos never sounded so diverse after that - and the instrumental passages, with a lot of guitar solos - again, never more like that)
3 - The Perfect Element
4 - One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5 - Scarsick (it's disliked for almost everyone here, but I think it really works as a more catchier version of PoS)
6 - In The Passing Light of Day
7 - Road Salt Two
8 - Road Salt One
9 - BE (It's interesting and very diverse, but I never really connected with it musically. It's the only album of PoS that I don't feel the need to revisit just for the music in itself. But someday I intend to invest more in it, translating all the lyrics)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 16, 2020, 12:20:45 AM
1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element
3. Scarsick
4. Road Salt Two
5. In The Passing Light of Day
6. Entropia
7. BE
8. Road Salt One
9. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

Having listened to Panther more than 10 times now I can see it going somewhere between The Perfect Element and In The Passing Light of Day but it's still early to decide.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
1. Remedy Lane
2. In the Passing Light of Day
3. Scarsick
4. The Perfect Element
5. Road Salt 2
6. Road Salt 1
7. Entropia
8. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
9. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 16, 2020, 08:28:46 AM
1. Remedy Lane
2. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
3. BE
4. The Perfect Element
5. In the Passing Light of Day
6. Road Salt Two
7. Entropia
8. Road Salt One
9. Scarsick

I think.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on August 17, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
New review

https://theprogmind.com/2020/08/14/pain-of-salvation-panther/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 17, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
New review

https://theprogmind.com/2020/08/14/pain-of-salvation-panther/

Very intriguing
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on August 18, 2020, 05:59:09 AM
Another positive review

https://proglodytes.com/2020/08/17/album-review-pain-of-salvation-panther/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 18, 2020, 06:03:38 AM
The album can be found on the internet, btw. Sad that it leaked early but at least it's not very high quality.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on August 19, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
As a PoS fan, I will say only two things that I think it's relevant to people give a fair chance to this album: 1- it's not a Scarsick 2 AT ALL; 2 - if they removed the 3 songs released so far from the album, I really doubt if any reviewer would talking about that PoS was having influence of eletronic music in its sound.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on August 19, 2020, 09:58:08 AM
New review and an interview with Daniel

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/pain-of-salvation-panther/

https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2020/08/19/pain-of-salvation-panther/

https://metalinjection.net/interviews/restless-boy-a-chat-with-pain-of-salvation-mastermind-daniel-gildenlow
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 19, 2020, 10:28:20 AM
One thing I will say is regardless of how good Panther is or isn't, I absolutely love In the Passing light of Day and will always be grateful for its release.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 21, 2020, 06:05:47 AM
Every year I forget about POS and don't feel like listening to them. But when autumn / winter is approaching I slowly start feeling the vibe again and I start listening to them. And I realize just what this band does that very few others seem to do. And haha I am at that point now, maybe because the album is also coming.

Just want to say that whatever is said about Daniel this band is maybe the most special one for me. DT is the most enjoyable band I ever had the pleasure to listen to but POS just attaches itself to that part where all my emotions seems to exist. Even the ones I forgot about. I love going down that road with POS and somehow it even feels like the soul gets a bit warmer and some well needed attention. I am really envy of Daniel's ability to just go down whatever route that seems open and skip any expectations that would come with a fan base or having multiple records out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on August 26, 2020, 12:00:01 PM
That was a rough listen. Seems catchy enough, but I can't say this is what I look for in music, especially not Pain of Salvation's.

Fred Durst verse = a hard :tdwn
Tori Amos chorus = a light :tup

Same here but I kinda like Restless Boy a lot. Twill be interesting to hear the whole album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 26, 2020, 02:38:32 PM
Recieved my signed 2CD edition today.

Beautiful package.... that see through bonus disc!

Only listened once..... it's certainly different. I'm really liking some but feel this will take a few listens to gel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on August 27, 2020, 03:44:03 AM
Recieved my signed 2CD edition today.

Beautiful package.... that see through bonus disc!

Only listened once..... it's certainly different. I'm really liking some but feel this will take a few listens to gel.

Did you listen to the two bonus tracks Fifi Gruffy and Unforever? How do they sound and how do they fit with the rest?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 27, 2020, 03:57:49 AM
Recieved my signed 2CD edition today.

Beautiful package.... that see through bonus disc!

Only listened once..... it's certainly different. I'm really liking some but feel this will take a few listens to gel.

Did you listen to the two bonus tracks Fifi Gruffy and Unforever? How do they sound and how do they fit with the rest?

Yes I did.

Fifi  Gruffy is a very, very strange song that I will seldom listen to
Unforever is a beautiful song that could have been on the album proper. Short but sweet
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 27, 2020, 10:59:22 PM
Early impressions have me feeling like this is one of if not their best album.  Slays ITPLOD.  Not a weak track on there imo
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 27, 2020, 11:49:26 PM
Good lord is the new album good! That last track is an excellent way to end the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on August 27, 2020, 11:54:18 PM
yeah i dug the hell out of this on first listen. a lot more focus on the rhythm section and a really dark and angry vibe overall, i liked the last one but it didn't feel like it was pushing a lot of boundaries & didn't stick with me, meanwhile i can see this growing on me even further. wait and icon are the immediate standouts but the whole thing was good
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 28, 2020, 03:05:04 AM
First listen is a big  :tup

I love the small resemblances of Road Salt. Like those heartful beautifully sad piano sections. The lyrics are also fully up my bin and quite classic POS looking at life / society. The way you look at adults as a child and everything is fine and then you find out the only thing you learn "is to smile". How the normal ordinary stuff of the day just feels like some kind of theater. It's there and many times it's fine, but once in a while you just find yourself blanking out and exit the bubble. That's when it all becomes so strange. Quitting the news is the best source for mental health. Etc. etc.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 28, 2020, 04:07:32 AM
OMG

Can't wait to listen to it after those initial reactions here. I enjoyed the singles a lot, and only listened to each one once, so it'll be a fresh experience. I hope InsideOut is swift in getting it here. I think I got an e-mail at the beginning of this week that it was dispatched, so let's hope I'll have it this afternoon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 28, 2020, 05:20:45 AM
Just finished it for the first time, and it's... a really strange listen. I think I like it a lot, but it's quite different, and the production style is definitely not that accessible. It's going to need a good few listens to decide how much I like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 28, 2020, 05:44:16 AM
Just finished it for the first time, and it's... a really strange listen. I think I like it a lot, but it's quite different, and the production style is definitely not that accessible. It's going to need a good few listens to decide how much I like it.

I was something like that on my first listen..... now I'm addicted. It's lunchtime and I have listened twice today so far. Don't know how many times in total since I got it two days ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 28, 2020, 05:44:34 AM
New album is alright. Don't hate it, don't love it.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 28, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
Icon and Wait are the strongest songs I haven't heard before. Accelerator and Panther was already in my best of playlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pfillion on August 28, 2020, 06:44:40 AM
In my opinion it's their best album since BE.   Wait is so beautiful  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 28, 2020, 08:09:59 AM
Okay. Holy shit. This is great. From the first listen, I'd say it's better than ITPLoD, and I really liked that one. Wow. This will stay in my rotation for a while for sure. Too early to say where it ends up in my ranking, but I can see it being very high.

Wait is just blissful. Probably the best song they've done since Iter Impius.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 28, 2020, 08:11:39 AM
Okay. Holy shit. This is great. From the first listen, I'd say it's better than ITPLoD, and I really liked that one. Wow. This will stay in my rotation for a while for sure. Too early to say where it ends up in my ranking, but I can see it being very high.

Wait is just blissful. Probably the best song they've done since Iter Impius.
ok, how so?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on August 28, 2020, 08:17:40 AM
Objectively, obviously. :biggrin:

I don't know. My first impression from this one is more positive than from ITPLoD. It's also shorter and doesn't drag like ITPLoD sometimes does (I ended up skipping Angels of Broken Things when listening to it). I can't think of a song I dislike here, even Restless Boy works really well in context of the album. And my opinion is biased a bit because at the moment I'm still stunned at how good Wait is. There's nothing like that on ITPLoD, even though there are some very good songs there.

Perhaps in a week I'll grow tired of this album and say it's worse than ITPLoD, but for now that's what I think.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 28, 2020, 08:21:23 AM
ITPLOD falls apart a bit in the middle for me, whereas this album only gets better.  I feel like this is their most consistent album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on August 28, 2020, 09:46:29 AM
Great album of PoS, appreciating a lot! I think it's a little more focused and polished than ITPLOD, and 70's influences are more proeminent, different from the Road Salt albums, more in the vain of those Led Zep acoustic riffs. Athough they add a nice variety to the album, interesting that the 3 singles seem a lot different from the vibe of the rest of the album IMO.
Unfuture, Wait, Keen to a Fault (great bass line on it!) and Icon are my favorites, but I really like every song on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
For me ITPLOD is really strong with Angel of Broken Things until the end, with TPLOD obviously being the best ending they done so far. The middle of the album is so so.

This albums feels really fresh and the flow is maybe the best since BE! I have a good feeling it will stand the test of time as well. Icon kinda has a similar way of ending the album as TPLOD somehow. They way he reflects on life as a father and the way it builds / sounds.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 28, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
In my opinion it's their best album since BE.   Wait is so beautiful  :hefdaddy
I was thinking the same thing. Definitely my favorite of theirs since BE. It feels like the band got their ambition and sense of adventure back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 28, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
Best since Be, maybe better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on August 28, 2020, 01:04:12 PM
My sentiments echo the ones I've read here, in contrary to many reviews I'm reading where the reviewer is almost always mega-fond of ITPLoD. Don't get me wrong, it was a pretty good record, but I liked it just because it was a relative return to the prog metal of old. Still, some songs were kinda flat and it definitely hasn't aged well for me. Songs like Taming of a Beast seem a bit run-off-the-mill.

Now THIS is more like it, damn! Best since BE? A definitive yes! Just love the variation and there's enough of that brooding, dark stuff. With Johan back in the band I was hoping for lots of great guitar solos; instead there's an incredibly well-written thematic record here, and the two solos in ICON we do get are just fan-tas-tic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 28, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
(I ended up skipping Angels of Broken Things when listening to it)

What!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 28, 2020, 01:52:49 PM
(I ended up skipping Angels of Broken Things when listening to it)

What!

Yea, it’s definitely the weakest song. I think they were emphasizing broken and off rhythms, but feel that’s the only song that they overshot it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Crow on August 28, 2020, 01:56:23 PM
angels of broken things is def the weakest track on that album yep
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 28, 2020, 02:16:20 PM
Are you guys serious? That’s the second best track as far as I’m concerned :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 28, 2020, 02:37:09 PM
Reasons is the one that bugs the living crap out of me. It’s kind of a nice idea and in some ways it reminds me of a really bad version of Stress from Entropia. But it just really doesn’t work for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 28, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
Are you guys serious? That’s the second best track as far as I’m concerned :lol

I'm with you. I think Angels of broken things is decent, especially around the 4min mark where the solo heavy part kicks in.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 28, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
I like the sounds he chose for the electric sounds.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bertie_Wooster on August 28, 2020, 11:01:56 PM
Sounds to me like Pain of Salvation is channeling Leprous
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on August 29, 2020, 12:44:38 AM
For me ITPLOD is really strong with Angel of Broken Things until the end, with TPLOD obviously being the best ending they done so far. The middle of the album is so so.


 :omg:

The middle of that album had Full Throttle Tribe and Reasons!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 29, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Sounds to me like Pain of Salvation is channeling Leprous

The three singles sounded way more like Pain of Salvation than like Leprous to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on August 29, 2020, 02:34:00 AM
Are you guys serious? That’s the second best track as far as I’m concerned :lol
Recently I am enjoying it too along with The Taming Of The beast, accepting they are both good songs, but I've always found them the weak point of the album.

First listen of new album.. I believe I will like it soon but it needs more listens. I've already played a lot in the past days all the 3 singles, from the new ones after first listen I remember I enjoyed Species more than the others
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 29, 2020, 02:51:12 AM
First listen through is done - Wait and Icon stood out the most for me so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 29, 2020, 02:57:50 AM
Are you guys serious? That’s the second best track as far as I’m concerned :lol

Yes!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 29, 2020, 05:51:21 AM
After one listen, this is AOTY material. I’m sorry for all the albums I haven’t heard yet, but topping this will be quite difficult. Wow!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 29, 2020, 05:56:06 AM
The title track is seriously some of the most annoying music I’ve heard in a long while, wow.

Album is meh - okay for me, probably not revisiting
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 29, 2020, 06:07:54 AM
After one listen, this is AOTY material. I’m sorry for all the albums I haven’t heard yet, but topping this will be quite difficult. Wow!
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BOOM. Signal to noise becomes the answer (oh no, sorry, sorry, wrong piece. :D )
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on August 29, 2020, 06:12:18 AM
First spin was intriguing but difficult to grasp. Then it started growing on me fast.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: emtee on August 29, 2020, 06:21:27 AM
I'm way too enamored with Virus right now. In comparison, everything else new sounds meh. Doesn't mean it's bad or that I might connect with it in the future, but right now it's not moving the dial at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 29, 2020, 08:19:52 AM
Panther is a nice refreshing album. The entire way it's produced, and the darkness of the artwork all fit well into describing the vibe and sound of the music. The electronic sounds add an extra layer of atmosphere to the mood of the songs. It's weird but the video to Panther is also a perfect visualization of the vibe/mood of the album.

Panther is an odd song, but it works with the lyrics being what they're about and the music gives off the frustration of being a Panther in a dog's world.

I guess you could say I am enjoying this album, mainly the vibe and mood it sets.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on August 29, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
It has already grown on me after second listen and the three singles are already not anymore my favourite three songs (Icon and Restless Boy are tied for 1st)
I understand the choice of the sound for artistic purposes, but sometimes I feel the instruments are too much buried under other noises..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 29, 2020, 03:55:56 PM
Kinda confused at people calling this album "electronic."  The album i hear is like 90% organic instruments. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on August 29, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
I'm also not hearing this from the album as a whole. To me, only the 3 singles are influenced by electronic music. The rest of the album (76% of its running time) is much more influenced by the 70's and other more modern sounds, but very organic. Anyway, it's a great and very creative album, so I don't think this really matters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 29, 2020, 06:27:31 PM
Kinda confused at people calling this album "electronic."  The album i hear is like 90% organic instruments.
I'm loving the album, but the electronic influence was the very first thing I noticed about the album. That influence is fairly evident throughout the album. It may not straight up sound like Techno or Trance or EDM or anything like that, but the influence is definitely there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2020, 06:45:48 AM
Yeah for the most part the main feature of the influence is the modern-sounding synths which are present throughout, which gives off that sort of electronic sound but isn't itself electronic at all. The more directly electronic sounding things for me, which only occur in a few places, are either a digitised effect on the vocals or little glitches in the music. The first glitch happens in the final chorus of Accelerator and it's one of my favourite moments on the album and does (to me) kind of signal that electronic influence.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on August 30, 2020, 06:47:26 AM
I've sort of chosen to hear the use of pitch correction in Wait as an extension of that electronic influence. I loathe those plug-ins generally, but when used for effect in the best PoS song in 18 years I can look past that. Unfuture, Species and Icon are also incredibly good, but every song appears to serve a purpose here. The entire album is delightfully potent and heavy in the feels in finest PoS fashion. Not only a forerunner for the best of 2020, but also among the band's finest work. I can see it breaching my top 5 easy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2020, 06:59:26 AM
I've sort of chosen to hear the use of pitch correction in Wait as an extension of that electronic influence.
Yeah definitely, effects like that in a few places throughout the album (I said "digitised effects" because it's not only that auto-tune effect in Wait, there are some others elsewhere).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 30, 2020, 07:04:19 AM
Took a few listens to get into the album and at this point I think its a solid addition to their collection.

I don't think its the album of the year, don't think its one of their best albums, and I don't think its a masterpiece.

Just a decent album with a new flavor that brings some fresh variety to their catalog.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on August 30, 2020, 10:11:45 AM
I don't think it's the album of the year, but I do think its one of their best albums, though I'm not sure yet whether it's a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on August 30, 2020, 10:56:50 AM
Am I the only one thinking that Daniel's voice is in far better shape again? More variable and with a bigger range than on Passing Light and The Sea Within.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 30, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Am I the only one thinking that Daniel's voice is in far better shape again? More variable and with a bigger range than on Passing Light and The Sea Within.

Yes, I think his voice sounds better than on Passing Light of Day as well.  Overall I'm really digging this album.  Not sure where it will end up in the rankings yet, but I agree Wait and Icon are some of the best songs they've written in a long time (although ITPLOD was really strong as well).  I'm not sure I'm a big fan of the production though.  It sounds a bit "muddy" or "flat" to my ears.  Especially the drums (and especially after listening to this directly after Terminal Velocity and Portnoy's drum sound).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 30, 2020, 12:38:20 PM
Am I the only one thinking that Daniel's voice is in far better shape again? More variable and with a bigger range than on Passing Light and The Sea Within.

I hear more Emotion and Passion in his delivery. The subject matter is one he is definitely heartfelt about, based off what I'm hearing in his vocal delivery on this album. It's Akin to his "BE" emotional vocals, and Scarsicks Passionate vocals.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 30, 2020, 01:36:31 PM
Daniel sounds great on the record, for sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
I guess there might have still been some level of hangover from his illness when he recorded ITPLOD. I still thought he sounded great on it but yeah he seems to have more strength in his voice again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 31, 2020, 12:40:49 AM
Also, this is possibly the best mix / production on any POS album imo. It sounds really great with clear details, distinct sound and good balance. POS isn't really famous in my catalogue for good mixing (at least early on) so I am happy it's becoming better and better! Also thing Léo does a lot of awesome drumming!  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 31, 2020, 12:50:26 AM
I decided to check out the Road Salt albums last night. I've heard a couple of tracks over the years but never really dug into the albums. Perhaps I never gave them a chance because they didn't sound like RL and TPE (my two favourites), so they were a big letdown for me when they were released. There are some nice songs there, actually. So far I prefer Road Salt Two (To The Shoreline, Eleven, 1979, Mortar Grind).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 31, 2020, 01:08:28 AM
I decided to check out the Road Salt albums last night. I've heard a couple of tracks over the years but never really dug into the albums. Perhaps I never gave them a chance because they didn't sound like RL and TPE (my two favourites), so they were a big letdown for me when they were released. There are some nice songs there, actually. So far I prefer Road Salt Two (To The Shoreline, Eleven, 1979, Mortar Grind).

Also be sure to checkout the EP and extended editions where some songs are longer and two bonus songs. The EP has two of the best Road Salt songs; Gone and If you Wait. Not sure why these aren't part of the albums. Break Darling Break and Of Salt bonus songs are fantastic even if they are more "rough". Of Salt is heartbreakingly beautiful!

All in all I love Road Salt albums if I just trim them a bit. If Road Salt 1&2 and the EP would have been combined to one album with the best songs (yeah subjective I know) it would have been up there with the best albums for sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on August 31, 2020, 01:58:43 AM
I love the Road Salt albums. Also, I think their change in style compared to other PoS albums is because of production and arrangement decisions to a big part. Some of the songs on there could have easily appeared on one of the band's earlier albums with a little more distortion and noisier drums (Darkness Of Mine, The Deeper Cut).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 31, 2020, 02:51:11 AM
What would your one disc versions of Road Salt look like?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on August 31, 2020, 04:47:12 AM
I already done a remix kind a where it's still two CDs which I posted here

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15931.msg2692089#msg2692089

Modified it slightly since then but always listen to Road Salt using my own version  :)

If Road Salt was just one CD it would most likely look something like this (maybe too long, haven't checked). I just somehow like the idea of it going from some kind of light sound to darker and darker and the flow works better than the actual CDs if I dare say that.


Road Salt
- What She Means to Me
- No Way
- 1979
- To the Shoreline
- Sisters
- Of Dust
- Sleeping Under the Stars
- Where It Hurts
- If You Wait
- Through the Distance
- Road Salt
- Of Salt
- Gone
- End Credits

Gone is the only perfect ending for Road Salt. Neither Innocent or The Physics of Gridlock works as a satisfying ending while Gone is just, damn.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2020, 05:28:54 AM
You left off Mortar Grind.  One of their best songs IMO.
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Post by: Pettor on August 31, 2020, 05:44:09 AM
A lot of people seem to like it here and I am usually very positive to POS songs, but Mortar Grind just doesn't work for me. It's very whiny imo  :-\

The EP version sounds a lot better than the final Road Salt 2 mix that I never appreciated. Road Salt 2 has one of the worst mixes in POS history. It effectively destroys a most of the songs and even 1979 is borderline ok even if the song is great.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 31, 2020, 02:10:00 PM
Finally listened to Panther and I'm not sure what to make of it yet. Certainly different than ITPLOD but as of now I can't tell if it will grow on me, or if it will end up being mediocre or worse.
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Post by: twosuitsluke on August 31, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
Icon and Wait are just fucking great
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 31, 2020, 07:06:13 PM
The amount of detail buried in these songs is nuts.  Just noticed the little harmonies in the 2nd verse of Wait. 
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Post by: Evermind on August 31, 2020, 10:09:25 PM
Just realized it's "I'm doing my best to fight fire with fire", not "Undoing my belt to fight fire with fire" in Accelerator.
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Post by: Crow on August 31, 2020, 10:29:49 PM
 :rollin

i honestly think we need a dedicated "evermind's misheard lyrics" thread
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 31, 2020, 10:36:05 PM
I genuinely think that this is the best Pain of Salvation album.  It is some of their most inventive stuff and yet also their most consistent from start to finish.   
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Post by: Elite on August 31, 2020, 11:18:36 PM
This album certainly is so much more interesting and innovative than most other contemporary progressive metal albums.
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Post by: PixelDream on September 01, 2020, 03:50:38 AM
Icon is for me their absolute best track since Gone. Great album from start to finish. I just realized I easily prefer it to Scarsick. Not sure if I prefer it over BE, but it's certainly a lot more fun and easier to enjoy. The album's not as amazing as Remedy Lane or The Perfect Element, but they definitely have a lot of that musical and thematical ambition back this time. Also the weird and animalistic side of the band (which is what makes them stand out from other prog metal bands IMO) is back in spades. Restless Boy is properly weird.
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Post by: Bentower on September 01, 2020, 04:33:08 AM
I haven't listened to Gone in a long, long time. I remember liking it, but the thing that didn't really do it for me, besides it paralleling Never Enough lyrically, was the production. Icon works much better in that regard. It also feels like Daniel has gotten more natural at that sludgy vibe.
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Post by: Elite on September 01, 2020, 05:31:34 AM
Restless Boy is fantastic. That quintuplet and septuplet groove in the second half is amazing. You don’t hear enough of that sort of stuff in prog.
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Post by: pfillion on September 01, 2020, 05:45:59 AM
New video

https://youtu.be/lZy3XoOBHTU
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: killer_rose on September 01, 2020, 10:04:52 AM
Anyone else feel like "Keen To a Fault" would sound extremely great live? It's such a grower and the "i was born for multithreading, born to the stars, born to dream" has to be one of my favorite vocal lines in the album.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 01, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
Anyone else feel like "Keen To a Fault" would sound extremely great live? It's such a grower and the "i was born for multithreading, born to the stars, born to dream" has to be one of my favorite vocal lines in the album.

That's the top track for me on Panther. It sounds like a tough one to play live, and it would be great live.
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Post by: Adami on September 01, 2020, 01:07:12 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.
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Post by: Pettor on September 01, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.

What would you have changed? I love the production and mixing on this one. Sounds really organic while still having a distinct sound.

BTW UNFUTURE gives me vibes back to One Hour By The Concrete Lake. That "but what have we burned" near the ending is nearly The Big Machine material  :smiley:
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Post by: Adami on September 01, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.

What would you have changed? I love the production and mixing on this one. Sounds really organic while still having a distinct sound.

BTW UNFUTURE gives me vibes back to One Hour By The Concrete Lake. That "but what have we burned" near the ending is nearly The Big Machine material  :smiley:

The drums mostly and I would’ve cleaned it up a bit. It’s not awful, just not as good as it could be. Which is par for the course for POS.
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Post by: Pettor on September 01, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.

What would you have changed? I love the production and mixing on this one. Sounds really organic while still having a distinct sound.

BTW UNFUTURE gives me vibes back to One Hour By The Concrete Lake. That "but what have we burned" near the ending is nearly The Big Machine material  :smiley:

The drums mostly and I would’ve cleaned it up a bit. It’s not awful, just not as good as it could be. Which is par for the course for POS.

Fair enough, I kinda like the layers and love the drums.

Steven's Personal Shopper song was my first disappointment production wise (kinda like the song however). It's too clean and also a bit cheap sounding? I really wouldnt have want anything like that on this album.
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Post by: Kram on September 01, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Wait might not only be the best song I've heard from POS in a while, it might be the best song I've heard from anyone in awhile!  Wow, what a song.
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Post by: Kram on September 01, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.

What would you have changed? I love the production and mixing on this one. Sounds really organic while still having a distinct sound.

BTW UNFUTURE gives me vibes back to One Hour By The Concrete Lake. That "but what have we burned" near the ending is nearly The Big Machine material  :smiley:

The drums mostly and I would’ve cleaned it up a bit. It’s not awful, just not as good as it could be. Which is par for the course for POS.


I agree with you but the production is kind of growing on me.  I would like the drums to be a bit "crisper" - but I think the treatment they have them helps to give this album it's unique identity
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 02, 2020, 01:42:57 PM
I listened to the new album out of curiosity and (aside from the title track, gross) that was the most positive experience I've had with this band yet. Might actually revisit this one.
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Post by: Adami on September 02, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
I'd say Keen to a Fault is my least favorite, but maybe that'll change.

But yea, this is a REALLY great album. Definitely not their best ever, but really amazing.

The only thing I would change is the production. I can see what he was going for and mostly did a good job, but I think this would've been a great album for Steven Wilson to produce.

What would you have changed? I love the production and mixing on this one. Sounds really organic while still having a distinct sound.

BTW UNFUTURE gives me vibes back to One Hour By The Concrete Lake. That "but what have we burned" near the ending is nearly The Big Machine material  :smiley:

The drums mostly and I would’ve cleaned it up a bit. It’s not awful, just not as good as it could be. Which is par for the course for POS.


I agree with you but the production is kind of growing on me.  I would like the drums to be a bit "crisper" - but I think the treatment they have them helps to give this album it's unique identity

Yea. I'd say the production is growing on me too. It doesn't detract, I just feel it can be better.

As far as the drums go, I think this video alone makes my point to some degree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URYPi9Elv2g
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 02, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
Am I the only one here who loves the title track? :lol
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Post by: NoseofNicko on September 02, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Am I the only one here who loves the title track? :lol

No. :)
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Post by: me7 on September 02, 2020, 03:03:38 PM
Am I the only one who never hated Daniel's rapping?
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Post by: Adami on September 02, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
I love the title track.

However, the line “I fee like a panther trapped in a dogs world” sounds weird. Im not even sure what it means specifically. Plus it’s a bit clunky.
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Post by: ariich on September 02, 2020, 03:49:03 PM
Am I the only one who never hated Daniel's rapping?
Well, no evidently not as I already said I loved the title track. :P
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Post by: Adami on September 02, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
The only thing I didn’t like regarding his rapping was when people who say how a 6 foot whatever white Swedish guy was totally “owning” real rappers on songs like spitfall when that is barely rapping and is pretty awful from a rhythmic stand point.
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Post by: PixelDream on September 02, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
I think the album sounds good enough. Production has never been a highlight on their albums. When they dropped Accelerator, the first thing that bothered me was ‘that’ snare sound. But now I kinda love it. The production has a pleasant low-end earthy vibe and the highs aren’t as harsh as the previous record. Road Salt records tried to have that 70’s mojo but it just sounded crappy IMP, tinny, harsh and no weight to it at all.

Really enjoy the adventurous sound and mixing on the record and the real drum sounds. Jens Bogren or Nolly are amazing sound wizards, but this has resulted in that lots of modern prog releases sound very similar. I much prefer this looser sound, nowadays. This albums causes no ear fatigue at all.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on September 02, 2020, 04:48:21 PM
I think Panther is much better than ItPLoD. ItPLoD might have higher highs (title track and On a Tuesday) but it has a few mediocre songs while pretty much every song on Panther is very good.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 02, 2020, 04:57:00 PM
barely rapping and is pretty awful from a rhythmic stand point.

What does that mean
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Post by: Adami on September 02, 2020, 04:58:07 PM
barely rapping and is pretty awful from a rhythmic stand point.

What does that mean

That what he’s doing can barely be considered wrapping. There are some moments of genuine flow but it’s mostly him talking with attitude.
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Post by: Crow on September 02, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
the title track is too long for how repetitive it is is the big issue imo, cut it back by 40-60 seconds and i wouldn't be sick of it by the end
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Post by: Evermind on September 02, 2020, 10:12:55 PM
The title track has grown on me a lot and I really like it now.
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Post by: jammindude on September 02, 2020, 10:56:44 PM
The only thing I didn’t like regarding his rapping was when people who say how a 6 foot whatever white Swedish guy was totally “owning” real rappers on songs like spitfall when that is barely rapping and is pretty awful from a rhythmic stand point.

That was me and I stand by what I said.

And yes, I do listen to rap. I totally think Daniel killed it on Spitfall.
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Post by: Pettor on September 03, 2020, 01:05:53 AM
Panther the song is fantastic! Never had any issue with Daniel's "rap" or whatever it is. Like someone said I don't even consider it normal rapping, more like Faith No More style of singing with some flow and attitude.

BTW haha someone just made the comparison with Gone and Never Enough. I didn't even know why someone would compare them. Then I realized the song was obviously exactly that. Somehow I listened to it hundred of times and never understood what he meant even if I had a interpretation I was very happy with. Now the lyrics seems over-pretentious and honestly lost a bit of spark for me. Not meaning that person making the comparison are at fault, just funny how I missed that. It's not hard to see what Daniel means now when I actually focused on the lyrics.
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Post by: Pettor on September 03, 2020, 01:19:04 AM
BTW always wondered what people around Daniel thinks about his lyrics, like his family. Obviously Sisters is the most interesting one. How can his wife not be like "waaaaaaaait what did you just sing"? Maybe transparency and "fucking overdosed of honesty" is part of their relationship, but still Sisters is really taking lyrics to a territory I never seen before  ;D

Also "she keeps calling me, I keep hanging up". I wonder who that is. Iconic for me seems to be about how he followed his parents and now he has children that will follow him in the same way. But also about lost friends etc. But still don't see the "she keeps calling" in context.
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Post by: Elite on September 03, 2020, 02:32:16 AM
Also "she keeps calling me, I keep hanging up". I wonder who that is.

Life? Death? The concept of growing up? I don't think it's a real person he's referring to in that track.
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Post by: Pettor on September 03, 2020, 03:34:30 AM
Also "she keeps calling me, I keep hanging up". I wonder who that is.

Life? Death? The concept of growing up? I don't think it's a real person he's referring to in that track.

I like that interpretation :tup
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Post by: me7 on September 03, 2020, 04:36:00 AM
Am I the only one who never hated Daniel's rapping?
Well, no evidently not as I already said I loved the title track. :P
I meant even broader. I also liked how he used it in previous albums. Never understood the hate.
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Post by: Elite on September 03, 2020, 04:39:49 AM
I just got the CD in the mail! (Finally)

Some really cool artwork inside, but I'm especially intrigued by the 'TO BE CONTINUED' at the end of the lyrics section in the booklet.
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Post by: me7 on September 03, 2020, 04:55:46 AM
I listened to an interview a few days ago, Daniel said something about having recorded an album and a half.
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Post by: ariich on September 03, 2020, 05:35:23 AM
Am I the only one who never hated Daniel's rapping?
Well, no evidently not as I already said I loved the title track. :P
I meant even broader. I also liked how he used it in previous albums. Never understood the hate.
Yeah I've never had a problem with it at all. It appears in some form on a lot of their albums so if I'd disliked it I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be nearly as big a PoS fan.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 03, 2020, 07:06:38 AM
Also "she keeps calling me, I keep hanging up". I wonder who that is.

Life? Death? The concept of growing up? I don't think it's a real person he's referring to in that track.

Life and Death are both She...from a child's perspective it's life, and from an Adult it's Death.

The end of the chorus is about Following his Parents, until the day he had a child and now They follow him.

The lyrics "I'm mostly doing fine...you are always on my mind" Are about how his Kids never see him cry and he walks the path of life, but Death is always on his mind.

"On My Way Now" is a way of saying, he's on a path to death. Death, she keeps calling, but he keeps hanging up, not wanting to listen to her talk.
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Post by: Elite on September 03, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
Definitely makes sense, doesn't it? :)
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Post by: LordCost on September 03, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
I listened to an interview a few days ago, Daniel said something about having recorded an album and a half.
I confirm this, I listened to the same interview. The next release so should be similar to the style of Panther
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Post by: Elite on September 03, 2020, 11:47:35 AM
Is that the ProgSpace interview?
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Post by: LordCost on September 03, 2020, 01:52:50 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metalinjection.net/v/s/metalinjection.net/interviews/restless-boy-a-chat-with-pain-of-salvation-mastermind-daniel-gildenlow/amp%3famp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%253D#ampf=

Near the end of this long interview he mentions it, but I had already knew about the fact he has recorded already half of the next album in another audio interview (1h and 30 long more or less) one month before the album came out, but I can't find it now.

I quote here the part of interview:
"Another good thing was that I had too much material, and for some reason, that’s never happened before. Everyone was telling us not to record more than we had to, but I wanted to record all of it anyway. That meant that once Panther was done, it was in the middle of the pandemic, so I couldn’t go to Stockholm for mixing. We had to mix over the phone, using stems. That’s really how the pandemic influenced the final stages of the album. Then, they asked me—I always feel like I want to keep making music when I’m done an album. I’m already in that world mentally. All of a sudden, the label and management asked me to consider writing a new album. I said, “Yeah, I can do that instead. I have half of an album done; that’s how quick I am.” That was nice. Logistically, it didn’t affect us a lot."
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Post by: Elite on September 03, 2020, 11:33:50 PM
I might try to throw together a top 25 Pain of Salvation tracks, but I already know that’s going to be very difficult.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on September 04, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
I like the new album, but does anyone else think the snare drum sounds a little weird?
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Post by: Adami on September 04, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
So I listened to the whole album again last but while also reading the lyrics.

First off....WAY better experience. Those are some great lyrics. And I understand some of the lines meaning more in the larger context.

One thing, and this is not a complaint at all, is that ICON feels disconnected. It feels like every song has a certain overall theme and perspective and then ICON is just about something totally different. ICON might be the best on the album and the lyrics may have almost made me cry but you have a whole album about revolutionary and independent energy in a world of complacency and then a song about fear of dying. I wonder what the extra songs not on the album are about.
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Post by: LordCost on September 04, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
I was curious too about Fifi Gruffi (what a weird name) and Unforever, the two bonus tracks.. I did not read any opinion on them, I suppose they are nothing special..
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Post by: Kram on September 04, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
Okay, here we go -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. In the Passing Light of Day
5. BE
6. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
7. Road Salts One
8. Road Slats Two
9. Scarsick

Alright - I guess I'll be the first to do this.  Yes, it is a bit premature, and I suppose things could change, but I actually feel pretty good about this.

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. PANTHER
4. Entropia
5. In the Passing Light of Day
6. BE
7. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
8. Road Salts One
9. Road Slats Two
10. Scarsick

Panther to me is both innovative, fresh and new sounding, yet still distinctly POS.  The production has grown on me and I feel Wait and Icon are two of the best songs they've ever written.  Certainly top 10 songs - maybe top 5 - hell they may be the best 2 songs they've written, they are that good!
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Post by: Kram on September 04, 2020, 03:13:51 PM
I might try to throw together a top 25 Pain of Salvation tracks, but I already know that’s going to be very difficult.

I think this will be very difficult.  Much harder than a top album list
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Post by: Elite on September 04, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
I was curious too about Fifi Gruffi (what a weird name) and Unforever, the two bonus tracks.. I did not read any opinion on them, I suppose they are nothing special..

Fifi Gruffi is focking weird, Unforever is pretty much an unfinished song.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 04, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
So I listened to the whole album again last but while also reading the lyrics.

First off....WAY better experience. Those are some great lyrics. And I understand some of the lines meaning more in the larger context.

One thing, and this is not a complaint at all, is that ICON feels disconnected. It feels like every song has a certain overall theme and perspective and then ICON is just about something totally different. ICON might be the best on the album and the lyrics may have almost made me cry but you have a whole album about revolutionary and independent energy in a world of complacency and then a song about fear of dying. I wonder what the extra songs not on the album are about.

It's not necessarily a fear of dying. I see it as Death is always around us, sometimes it decides to give us a good close call. We can either accept the charges or Hang Up. That's revolting against death itself. Every day you wake up, it's there in your face, and you give it the biggest middle finger.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 05, 2020, 11:39:39 AM
I found out which songs Keen To A Fault reminded me of...

Faunts - M4 pt.2
Chroma Key - On The Page
Anathema - Untouchables Pt.1

Throw them all in a blender and you get Keen To A Fault.
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Post by: PixelDream on September 05, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element
3. Be
4. Panther
5. Entropia
-Linoleum EP-
6. Scarsick
7. Itplod
8. Ohbtcl
9. Road Salt (both)

RL and TPE are pretty much untouchable. I haven’t listened to BE in full in ages, but I think I might still give it the edge over Panther. Panther sure is a lot more fun and groovy than BE though.

I’m placing OHBTCL quite low because I never managed to get into it aside from the first few tracks. The Road Salt albums I do enjoy once in a while, but I really feel the production hurts those albums a lot. ‘Of Dust’, a short transitional track, is actually by far my favorite aside from the tracks that were already on the Linoleum EP, which was quite good. The Linoleum EP got me quite excited for the Road Salt albums due to awesome tracks like Linoleum, Mortar Grind and the dark, proggy and utterly amazing Gone, but when the albums dropped I was quite disappointed to encounter so many ‘normal’ blues tracks.


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Post by: Elite on September 05, 2020, 12:28:58 PM
You missed TPLOD :)
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Post by: PixelDream on September 05, 2020, 12:34:55 PM
You missed TPLOD :)
Thanks!
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 05, 2020, 01:10:59 PM
Here's an unpopular opinion that, having relistened to their discography after Panther, I can totally stand by.  Compositionally this band got better after Remedy Lane.  All the way up to that album I still here moments where their attempts to be proggy and the strength of their songs are at odds.  The chorus of Fandango and the shreddy nonsense in Rope Ends are good examples.  In the stuff that comes after, especially Road Salts and Panther, I no longer hear that disconnect and I think they are way better off for it. 
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Post by: Elite on September 05, 2020, 01:34:08 PM
Uh, I absolutely agree, having listened to a bunch of their old records over the past week.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 05, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Honestly, at this point I'm pretty sure Restless Boy is the best song I've heard in 2020 and I can't remember being so obsessed over a track in a long time (speaking years, really).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on September 06, 2020, 08:15:33 AM
Honestly, at this point I'm pretty sure Restless Boy is the best song I've heard in 2020 and I can't remember being so obsessed over a track in a long time (speaking years, really).
I have the feeling that this is one of the songs that it's hard to get bored of. Even I have listened a lot to it and I don't see it getting old soon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on September 06, 2020, 08:24:48 AM
I might try to throw together a top 25 Pain of Salvation tracks, but I already know that’s going to be very difficult.
I got to know this forum  years ago while I was searching for top PoS tracks and I found this thread, which I see is still in the first page of Google if you search "top pain of salvation tracks".

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=14119.0

Sadly it is unfinished, because it was an interesting read.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on September 06, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
Here's an unpopular opinion that, having relistened to their discography after Panther, I can totally stand by.  Compositionally this band got better after Remedy Lane.  All the way up to that album I still here moments where their attempts to be proggy and the strength of their songs are at odds.  The chorus of Fandango and the shreddy nonsense in Rope Ends are good examples.  In the stuff that comes after, especially Road Salts and Panther, I no longer hear that disconnect and I think they are way better off for it.

What is bad about the chorus of Fandango? I kinda like the prog sections in Rope Ends, especially the parts with that latin piano ostinato. Can’t really tell which parts you find shreddy nonsense.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 06, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
Both sections are not awful on their own but IMO don't fit with the songs.  The verses of Fandango have this amazing fairy world energy and the chorus is a polyrhythmic exercise sounding thing that breaks the spell in a way I don't like at all.  As for Rope Ends the instrumental section is pretty cool and playful but I don't see at all how it fits in a song explicitly about attempted suicide. 

This kinda tonal dissonance is something I don't hear from them any more and the reason why I think they've gotten compositionally better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on September 06, 2020, 03:06:51 PM
Thanks for elaborating, makes total sense, especially what you said about Rope Ends.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 10, 2020, 02:31:13 PM
So, I've been listening to the new album quite a bit and I like it a lot, but I just wish it were longer.


The only slight complaint I have about it is the sound of the snare drum is...wrong.   It almost sounds like they loosened the snare chain a little bit because it doesn't really sound like a snare drum all the time, it sounds more like a snare drum with the chain off.   It just sounds weird to me.



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2020, 05:08:22 AM
Haven't listen to POS for a while but the new album is intriguing. A bit obsessed with the drum groove in accelerator.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 11, 2020, 05:27:03 AM
Then maybe this video is of interest to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC7qXUjYyDQ
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2020, 07:34:11 AM
Yea I saw the earlier.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 11, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
ooh, yeah, now I know why the snare sounds like it does.    :)   I guess it was intentional.  I don't care for it, but it doesn't ruin the album experience for me at all, it just struck me as a strange snare sound.   What a weird groove that is.  I feel like it's more than time signature being stitched together there, how the fuck do you even count something like that?  :lol   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 11, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
What a weird groove that is.  I feel like it's more than time signature being stitched together there, how the fuck do you even count something like that?  :lol   :hefdaddy

This has been bothering me for days too. :lol It's definitely based around the quarter note / triplet (sextuplet?) polyrhythm, but it sounds like they're throwing odd time signatures on top of that too.

Really cool song. I'm not really sold on this album as a whole (I think it goes downhill in quality after Wait) but it definitely has some highlights.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 11, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
If I had to guess I would say it's moving in measures like this:


|: 5/8 >> 7/8 >> 5/8 >> 5/8 >> 7/8 ;|




Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/MGZK2TB/Accelerator.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b2QYWhb)

^^Here's how I wrote the intro drum groove in Accelerator, atleast it sounds about right in my notation software. It looks a bit messy but 21/16 can be felt like 7/8 if you follow the dotted eight notes on the Hi-Hat. I first wrote it down like a 7/8 but with a triplet feel in the foot pattern like this:

(https://i.ibb.co/5GmSt2S/accelerator-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7KcXxc)

but I couldn't figure out the 4th bar so I change to a 16th feel instead so that way I just removed a 16 note in the 4th bar so it became 20/16 to get that glitch feel.




Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 14, 2020, 01:34:45 AM
I've been humming along to Icon all week.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 14, 2020, 07:07:35 PM
I have a theory that ICON is meant to be the inverse of the ITPLOD title track. ITPLOD is about coming to terms with death, where as ICON is about coming to terms with the difficulties of being alive (helplessness, losing connections, etc.) That's why ICON's music structure is inverted; ITPLOD is two soft, gentle parts sandwiching a heavy dissonant section. Invert that and you get ICON!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 15, 2020, 12:42:29 AM
I feel personally that the dissonant sections in Icon are supposed to represent the ever-present danger of death. I said it previously in the thread, but I think the lyrics reference death specifically; 'She keeps on calling me, I keep hanging up, It's not that I don't want to talk, I just fear listening', with 'she' being death knocking at Daniel's door.

Of course, it could mean 'she' is 'life' or 'growing up' as well, but the more I listen, I feel like the deliberate choice to have that recurring motif be dissonant and crackling/lo-fi makes me think it's really about death.

The rest of the lyrics deal with struggles while living, for sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 15, 2020, 04:19:33 AM
I gave the album some listens and while I agree that Wait and Icon are the standout tracks, it is really not THAT good compared to what they did in the past. The other songs are mostly just okay to average.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on September 15, 2020, 05:59:06 AM
ICON is such a great track. The first time I heard it I had this image in my head, of two heavily contrasting songs in a constant fight with eachother. And in this track they both come out as the winner. They both have their climaxes, the softer/hopeful one with Daniel's guitar solo and then the dark/heavy one with the outro and Johan's shred. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 15, 2020, 08:24:56 AM
I feel personally that the dissonant sections in Icon are supposed to represent the ever-present danger of death. I said it previously in the thread, but I think the lyrics reference death specifically; 'She keeps on calling me, I keep hanging up, It's not that I don't want to talk, I just fear listening', with 'she' being death knocking at Daniel's door.

Of course, it could mean 'she' is 'life' or 'growing up' as well, but the more I listen, I feel like the deliberate choice to have that recurring motif be dissonant and crackling/lo-fi makes me think it's really about death.

The rest of the lyrics deal with struggles while living, for sure.

And to make it more convincing, he included it at the end when he says "I keep hanging up". That dissonance is why I like the song. It invokes an uneasy feeling, like how the concept of Death makes people feel. It's the uneasy feeling of death all around you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 15, 2020, 08:51:14 AM
I feel personally that the dissonant sections in Icon are supposed to represent the ever-present danger of death. I said it previously in the thread, but I think the lyrics reference death specifically; 'She keeps on calling me, I keep hanging up, It's not that I don't want to talk, I just fear listening', with 'she' being death knocking at Daniel's door.

Of course, it could mean 'she' is 'life' or 'growing up' as well, but the more I listen, I feel like the deliberate choice to have that recurring motif be dissonant and crackling/lo-fi makes me think it's really about death.

The rest of the lyrics deal with struggles while living, for sure.

I dont like that.  It doesn't really gel with the rest of the song.  Also Passing Light of Day dealt with his fear of death so thoroughly, if this is the sequel then why go back there?  Daniel never wants to repeat himself. 

I think it's about him missing his family.  "She" could be his wife calling to tell him that they miss him while he's away. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 16, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/MGZK2TB/Accelerator.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b2QYWhb)

^^Here's how I wrote the intro drum groove in Accelerator, atleast it sounds about right in my notation software. It looks a bit messy but 21/16 can be felt like 7/8 if you follow the dotted eight notes on the Hi-Hat. I first wrote it down like a 7/8 but with a triplet feel in the foot pattern like this:

(https://i.ibb.co/5GmSt2S/accelerator-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7KcXxc)

but I couldn't figure out the 4th bar so I change to a 16th feel instead so that way I just removed a 16 note in the 4th bar so it became 20/16 to get that glitch feel.


21/16 <---  :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 16, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
This album is weird.  I like it more and more with each spin, but some of the production choices here are baffling to me  :\    I felt the same way upon first hearing Remedy Lane so I'll STFU now  :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on September 18, 2020, 03:46:12 AM
Now, here's a curious thing; Ashes has been subjected to a 20th anniversary remixing.

https://youtu.be/QVblZBWE5ag
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 18, 2020, 03:55:03 AM
Whole album mix coming up?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on September 18, 2020, 04:06:03 AM
Hopefully! I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. RL already received its treatment, it's only right if TPE did too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 18, 2020, 05:23:19 AM
OMG! TPE remix is maxing out my hype levels!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 18, 2020, 08:01:02 AM
Sweden’s progressive Metal innovators Pain of Salvation are announcing a special re-issue edition for their “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” album from 2000. Celebrating the 20th anniversary of the band’s third album, the re-issue version is entitled “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” and will be released on November 20th, 2020 via InsideOutMusic.
 
A first taste of the release is available as of today with the launch of its first digital single “Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020)” here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVblZBWE5ag and here: https://open.spotify.com/track/1KsDYvXlD1Kwv8h4WQUmOv

Following on from the widely praised remix of the classic Pain of Salvation album “Remedy Lane” in 2016, “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” comes completely remixed by Pontus Lindmark as well as mastered by Thor Legvold / Sonovo. The release, which features slightly revised artwork as well as new liner-notes, will be available as limited 2CD Digipak and Digital Album (with a total of 8 bonus tracks) as well as in the Gatefold 2LP format on 180g. vinyl with the entire remixed album as bonus CD.

Pain of Salvation - “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” 2CD tracklisting:
 
Main CD (76:23):
1. Used (Anniversary Mix 2020) (05:23)
2. In the Flesh (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:39)
3. Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:27)
4. Morning on Earth (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:35)
5. Idioglossia (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:30)
6. Her Voices (Anniversary Mix 2020) (07:56)
7. Dedication (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:02)
8. King of Loss (Anniversary Mix 2020) (09:51)
9. Reconciliation (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:30)
10. Song for the Innocent (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:03)
11. Falling (Anniversary Mix 2020) (01:53)
12. The Perfect Element (Anniversary Mix 2020) (10:13)
13. Epilogue (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:14) * Bonus Track
 
Bonus CD (31:00):
1. Used (Live 2018) (05:54)
2. Ashes (Live 2017) (05:48)
3. Falling (Live 2018) (02:30)
4. The Perfect Element (Live 2018) (10:10)
5. Her Voices (and only that) (01:21)
6. Absolute Kromata (00:31)
7. Ashes [your language here] (04:42)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 18, 2020, 08:03:01 AM
OH GOD YES.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 18, 2020, 08:13:39 AM
I liked the old kids better :D Sounds good though, perhaps the vocals are a bit too in the front.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
New mix didn’t do a ton. Was hoping for a bit more attack on the drums but it’s pretty similar to the old mix in that sense. But who am I kidding, of course I’ll buy it. It’s my favorite album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 18, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
Read the news and my brain immediately started playing I THOUGHT I'D SEEN HELL THOUGHT I KNEEEEW IT ALL in a new tab :metal I have to get the vinyl.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 18, 2020, 08:46:07 AM
Gaaaah this is really a year with great POS stuff  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

I thought the remix sounded really different actually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 18, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
BTW list your top song(s) from TPE!

Mine usually rotates and I really love every song on this album. But Idioglossia and Her Voices is what's going strong now. Used and In he Flesh is strong behind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 18, 2020, 10:52:28 AM
Pfft, that’s easy; King of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
Pfft, that’s easy; King of Loss.

My ranking

1. Idioglossia
2. Every other song except
3. Falling
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 18, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
I'm only a few listens into Panther and I feel it's too early to rank it or give any defining statements about it's quality, considering the 'new shine' polish is likely to fade, but I'm still really impressed. PoS puts out an album in 2020 that feels like a good mix of what they have done but also something fresh. I was thinking of all the bands I was super into 10 years ago, whether it's DT, PT/SW, Opeth, Anathema, The Dear Hunter, Pain of Salvation and so on, and how with pretty much all of them, my interest has faded with the years because I haven't been overly impressed with the output. Don't get me wrong, most of these have continued to put out decent albums but it's along the lines of 'same stuff but slightly worse'. Panther to me feels like a band with some fuel left in the tank and a band ~25 years into their career who still have new ideas and can put something interesting out. With some of these other bands I named, I still like them but none of them have put out an album recently that made me go "wow, this is some of their best stuff" but with Panther, it's still too early to tell, but I feel you could legitimately make a case for it being PoS best album and I think that's great. (for me personally BE might be impossible to beat but thats a later discussion)

Sorry for long post. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 18, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
You know, I'm with you on everything you wrote :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on September 19, 2020, 10:57:14 AM
I feel personally that the dissonant sections in Icon are supposed to represent the ever-present danger of death. I said it previously in the thread, but I think the lyrics reference death specifically; 'She keeps on calling me, I keep hanging up, It's not that I don't want to talk, I just fear listening', with 'she' being death knocking at Daniel's door.

Of course, it could mean 'she' is 'life' or 'growing up' as well, but the more I listen, I feel like the deliberate choice to have that recurring motif be dissonant and crackling/lo-fi makes me think it's really about death.

The rest of the lyrics deal with struggles while living, for sure.

I dont like that.  It doesn't really gel with the rest of the song.  Also Passing Light of Day dealt with his fear of death so thoroughly, if this is the sequel then why go back there?  Daniel never wants to repeat himself. 

I think it's about him missing his family.  "She" could be his wife calling to tell him that they miss him while he's away.

Is "She", the same "She" who asks him in the title track "How does it feel to be you?", were he replies "I feel like a panther
Trapped in a dog's world"?  Or is it unrelated?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on September 19, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
I'm only a few listens into Panther and I feel it's too early to rank it or give any defining statements about it's quality, considering the 'new shine' polish is likely to fade, but I'm still really impressed. PoS puts out an album in 2020 that feels like a good mix of what they have done but also something fresh. I was thinking of all the bands I was super into 10 years ago, whether it's DT, PT/SW, Opeth, Anathema, The Dear Hunter, Pain of Salvation and so on, and how with pretty much all of them, my interest has faded with the years because I haven't been overly impressed with the output. Don't get me wrong, most of these have continued to put out decent albums but it's along the lines of 'same stuff but slightly worse'. Panther to me feels like a band with some fuel left in the tank and a band ~25 years into their career who still have new ideas and can put something interesting out. With some of these other bands I named, I still like them but none of them have put out an album recently that made me go "wow, this is some of their best stuff" but with Panther, it's still too early to tell, but I feel you could legitimately make a case for it being PoS best album and I think that's great. (for me personally BE might be impossible to beat but thats a later discussion)

Sorry for long post. :D

I agree with everything you said as well except, for me, The Perfect Element is the one that's impossible to beat.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 19, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
I feel personally that the dissonant sections in Icon are supposed to represent the ever-present danger of death. I said it previously in the thread, but I think the lyrics reference death specifically; 'She keeps on calling me, I keep hanging up, It's not that I don't want to talk, I just fear listening', with 'she' being death knocking at Daniel's door.

Of course, it could mean 'she' is 'life' or 'growing up' as well, but the more I listen, I feel like the deliberate choice to have that recurring motif be dissonant and crackling/lo-fi makes me think it's really about death.

The rest of the lyrics deal with struggles while living, for sure.

I dont like that.  It doesn't really gel with the rest of the song.  Also Passing Light of Day dealt with his fear of death so thoroughly, if this is the sequel then why go back there?  Daniel never wants to repeat himself. 

I think it's about him missing his family.  "She" could be his wife calling to tell him that they miss him while he's away.

Is "She", the same "She" who asks him in the title track "How does it feel to be you?", were he replies "I feel like a panther
Trapped in a dog's world"?  Or is it unrelated?

Could be, but I dont think it matters.  In that song's case I think it is just a lyrical way to get to saying how he feels
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 23, 2020, 12:51:23 PM
This album has grown on me a lot.  I think it eclipses ITPLOD.  Somehow Daniel sounds more...confident...or something.   


Whoever this drummer is, he's a freak  :rollin   Some of the most fucked up grooves I've ever heard.  I hesitate to even use the word "groove" because their more like a cross between grooves and hiccups.  Groove-ups?

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
The title track of ITPLOD is on a league of its own for me BUT I think Panther as a whole is a better album. Keen to a Fault is my favorite, something about the music and lyrics just resonate with me. I honestly enjoy it on the same level (if not more) than most of the songs from TPE/RL. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 23, 2020, 10:35:28 PM
Keen to a Fault is my favorite, something about the music and lyrics just resonate with me.

The song makes me feel the same way. It was an instant connection when I first heard the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on September 23, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
Whoever this drummer is, he's a freak  :rollin   Some of the most fucked up grooves I've ever heard.  I hesitate to even use the word "groove" because their more like a cross between grooves and hiccups.  Groove-ups?

It's been pretty awesome hearing Leo steadily up his game since his humble beginnings back in 2007. My guess is that it's been at least in part inspired by the drumming in bands like Leprous, Animals as Leaders and Periphery. So while they're not entirely original in sound or style the last two albums have still been really impressive works by him.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on September 24, 2020, 01:07:24 PM
I think Leo's work excellent, but.. did you listen to the CD2 from ITPLoD limited edition? It seems that his drumming is super-influenced by the original drum parts written by Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 24, 2020, 01:25:33 PM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 


Also noticed there are moments sprinkled throughout this album that harken back to albums like TPE and Remedy Lane.  Some very clever production ideas. 



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on September 24, 2020, 03:14:43 PM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 

Most albums nowadays are between 40-50 minutes in my experience, so I don’t think it’s short at all. It surely doesn’t feel ‘short’.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 24, 2020, 07:26:25 PM
Wait and Icon are good, although to rank them among their greatest tracks might be premature.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 24, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 

Most albums nowadays are between 40-50 minutes in my experience, so I don’t think it’s short at all. It surely doesn’t feel ‘short’.

In the prog world?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on September 25, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 


Also noticed there are moments sprinkled throughout this album that harken back to albums like TPE and Remedy Lane.  Some very clever production ideas.

Did you also catch the "Ending Theme" reprise at 7:25 of the song In The Passing Light Of Day?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Evermind on September 25, 2020, 01:42:28 AM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 


Also noticed there are moments sprinkled throughout this album that harken back to albums like TPE and Remedy Lane.  Some very clever production ideas.

Did you also catch the "Ending Theme" reprise at 7:25 of the song In The Passing Light Of Day?

It's also in the end of If This Is the End :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on September 25, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Wait and Icon are good, although to rank them among their greatest tracks might be premature.

I agree, it is a bit premature, but right now, I'm thinking both of these tracks are in my top 10 of all-time POS songs
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 28, 2020, 12:37:29 AM
Wait and Icon are good, although to rank them among their greatest tracks might be IS premature insane.
Fixed.  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 28, 2020, 12:46:11 AM
Icon and Wait would def end up in my greatest songs of POS. Top 10 list maybe not but they are both some of the best stuff POS have done.

Also isn't the "short" length actually pretty great? I am so happy they didn't add anything more. Prog albums tend to trim waaaay to little of their album resulting in a dense and packed feeling. Here it's feels just right with no song that feels unnecessary or half-baked and the flow is maybe the best of any POS album imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 28, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 

Most albums nowadays are between 40-50 minutes in my experience, so I don’t think it’s short at all. It surely doesn’t feel ‘short’.

In the prog world?


Yeah, not any bands I listen to.  Almost every album I got this year is more than 60 minutes.  The only thing I got this year so far that's shorter that this was the Frost* EP which was kind of meh

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 28, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Pretty short album by modern standards at only 53 minutes.  Noticed it this morning. 


Also noticed there are moments sprinkled throughout this album that harken back to albums like TPE and Remedy Lane.  Some very clever production ideas.

Did you also catch the "Ending Theme" reprise at 7:25 of the song In The Passing Light Of Day?


Yes!   :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 28, 2020, 01:57:35 PM
Icon and Wait would def end up in my greatest songs of POS. Top 10 list maybe not but they are both some of the best stuff POS have done.

Also isn't the "short" length actually pretty great? I am so happy they didn't add anything more. Prog albums tend to trim waaaay to little of their album resulting in a dense and packed feeling. Here it's feels just right with no song that feels unnecessary or half-baked and the flow is maybe the best of any POS album imo.


I didn't mention it as a complaint.  I just thought it was unique in this day and age of 80-minute albums. 




More bands should know how to self-edit, especially in this genre
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 29, 2020, 12:33:35 AM
Icon and Wait would def end up in my greatest songs of POS. Top 10 list maybe not but they are both some of the best stuff POS have done.

Also isn't the "short" length actually pretty great? I am so happy they didn't add anything more. Prog albums tend to trim waaaay to little of their album resulting in a dense and packed feeling. Here it's feels just right with no song that feels unnecessary or half-baked and the flow is maybe the best of any POS album imo.


I didn't mention it as a complaint.  I just thought it was unique in this day and age of 80-minute albums. 

Ah yeah didn't see it as complaint, just that I have been thinking about the flow and length of the album as well and came to the conclusion that I like shorter albums right now. Even D/T was a big improvement for DT imo. Pale Blue Dot could / should have been longer but otherwise an unusually trimmed album by DT standards.

More bands should know how to self-edit, especially in this genre
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on September 29, 2020, 12:49:16 AM
Icon and Wait would def end up in my greatest songs of POS. Top 10 list maybe not but they are both some of the best stuff POS have done.

Also isn't the "short" length actually pretty great? I am so happy they didn't add anything more. Prog albums tend to trim waaaay to little of their album resulting in a dense and packed feeling. Here it's feels just right with no song that feels unnecessary or half-baked and the flow is maybe the best of any POS album imo.


I didn't mention it as a complaint.  I just thought it was unique in this day and age of 80-minute albums. 




More bands should know how to self-edit, especially in this genre

I actually think that "age" is almost over... I realised that during the last few years, many bands tend to bring out shorter albums. Most prog albums released this year are shorter than 60 minutes:

Haken - Virus
Rikard Sjöblom's Gungfly - Alone Together
Pain Of Salvation - PANTHER
Dyble Longdon - Between A Breath And A Breath
The Pineapple Thief - Versions Of The Truth
Tim Bowness - Late Night Laments
Kansas - The Absence Of Presence
John Petrucci - Terminal Velocity
Caligula's Horse - Rise Radiant

The new Steven Wilson will also fit on one LP. Neal Morse's new album is 67 minutes long, but that is still shorter than most of his other albums  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 18, 2020, 01:35:52 AM
A bit late but there wasn't any update here. There's a new TPE Anniversary remix available, this time for Used:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwJJO2__z_U
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on November 18, 2020, 02:01:55 AM
Nice! I'm looking forward to the release this Friday.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 20, 2020, 07:33:37 AM
Today is the perfect day to spin The Perfect Element a couple of times!  :metal :metal :metal

https://open.spotify.com/album/59CVVonQciTIUJH5zr7hia?si=ky8MZV1XQSyhkH3AMRL5aQ

BTW I really liked the Her Voices acapella part they have on the bonus CD. Always loved that song and this part is just fantastic. I hear the choir in a different way here as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0biCjDLng

Also the Absolute Kromata song on bonus CD was super weird to listen to. It's the same samples as Dream Theater - Disappear I believe so I started to look for where on my PC that was playing and how that was possible  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 20, 2020, 08:43:12 AM
Following the release of their acclaimed new studio album “PANTHER”, Sweden’s progressive Metal innovators Pain of Salvation now present a special re-issue edition for their “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” album from 2000. Celebrating the 20th anniversary of the band’s third album, the re-issue version is entitled “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” and is released today via InsideOutMusic.
 
Check out the album’s digital singles for a better idea of the new mixes:
 “Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://youtu.be/4iZInmQc0c0
https://open.spotify.com/track/1KsDYvXlD1Kwv8h4WQUmOv
“Used (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://youtu.be/NJez49wXx5c
https://open.spotify.com/album/6bY1mKqQrw9OQ6VA2VDqS5

Following on from the widely praised remix of the classic Pain of Salvation album “Remedy Lane” in 2016, “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” comes completely remixed by Pontus Lindmark as well as mastered by Thor Legvold / Sonovo. The release, which features slightly revised artwork as well as new liner-notes, will be available as limited 2CD Digipak and Digital Album (with a total of 8 bonus tracks) as well as in the Gatefold 2LP format on 180g. vinyl with the entire remixed album as bonus CD.

Pain of Salvation - “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” 2CD tracklisting:
 
Main CD (76:23):
1. Used (Anniversary Mix 2020) (05:23)
2. In the Flesh (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:39)
3. Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:27)
4. Morning on Earth (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:35)
5. Idioglossia (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:30)
6. Her Voices (Anniversary Mix 2020) (07:56)
7. Dedication (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:02)
8. King of Loss (Anniversary Mix 2020) (09:51)
9. Reconciliation (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:30)
10. Song for the Innocent (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:03)
11. Falling (Anniversary Mix 2020) (01:53)
12. The Perfect Element (Anniversary Mix 2020) (10:13)
13. Epilogue (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:14) * Bonus Track
 
Bonus CD (31:00):
1. Used (Live 2018) (05:54)
2. Ashes (Live 2017) (05:48)
3. Falling (Live 2018) (02:30)
4. The Perfect Element (Live 2018) (10:10)
5. Her Voices (and only that) (01:21)
6. Absolute Kromata (00:31)
7. Ashes [your language here] (04:42)
 
Pain of Salvation - “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” 2LP tracklisting:
 
Side A:
1. Used (Anniversary Mix 2020) (05:23)
2. In the Flesh (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:39)
3. Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:27)
4. Morning on Earth (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:35)
Side B:
1. Idioglossia (Anniversary Mix 2020) (08:30)
2. Her Voices (Anniversary Mix 2020) (07:56)
 
Side C:
1. Dedication (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:02)
2. King of Loss (Anniversary Mix 2020) (09:51)
 
Side D:
1. Reconciliation (Anniversary Mix 2020) (04:30)
2. Song for the Innocent (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:03)
3. Falling (Anniversary Mix 2020) (01:53)
4. The Perfect Element (Anniversary Mix 2020) (10:13)
5. Epilogue (Anniversary Mix 2020) (03:14) * Bonus Track
 
Note: The Gatefold 2LP comes with the entire remixed album (13 songs / 76 minutes) as bonus CD.
Next to the unlimited 2LP black vinyl version, “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” is also available in the following limited coloured vinyl options:
 
Yellow 2LP: 100x copies (IOM Webshop)
Orange 2LP: 200x copies (CM Distro)
Creamy White 2LP: 100x (Band exclusive)
Red 2LP: 100x (Band exclusive)

Order for the release in its various formats here:
https://painofsalvation.lnk.to/ThePerfectElementI2020

And you can now also watch two drum playthrough clips by Pain of Salvation’s Leo Margarit for “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” songs here:
 
Idioglossia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyZ4NZBCpA4
Used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWH48KYM1kY

Pain of Salvation have recently released the studio album “PANTHER”, which managed to enter various international sales charts including the following: Germany # 19, Switzerland # 18, Austria # 43, Belgium (Wallonia) # 42, France # 125, UK Rock Album Chart # 12 as well as # 21 in the “Current Hard Music Albums” chart in the USA.
 
To further promote the release, Pain of Salvation have now also launched a lyric-video created by Felipe Rolli / (https://portfolio.feliperolli.com) for the title-track “PANTHER”, which features animated artwork with images by André Meister / (http://andremeister.com) from the PANTHER booklet to complement the lyrics.

Check it out here: https://youtu.be/katNlRYPA9o

Check out these videos for Pain of Salvation’s “PANTHER” album:
“ACCELERATOR”: https://youtu.be/5QKmOJl4GXQ
“RESTLESS BOY”: https://youtu.be/jkU564tyD5M
“PANTHER”: https://youtu.be/NmhJTkc9v8o
“UNFUTURE” Lyric Video: https://youtu.be/lZy3XoOBHTU
“RESTLESS BOY” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/URYPi9Elv2g
“ACCELERATOR” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/zC7qXUjYyDQ
“PANTHER” Album Trailer: https://youtu.be/njgmgECkFBw

Next to the standard CD and the Digital Album formats, ”PANTHER” is also available as limited 2CD Mediabook (Including expanded artwork and the following 4 bonus tracks on a separate disc (15:41): “PANTHER (demo)” (04:09), “KEEN TO A FAULT (demo)” (05:31), “FIFI GRUFFI” (03:32) and “UNFOREVER” (02:27)) and as 180g. Gatefold 2LP (Including the 4 bonus tracks on Side D and album on CD as bonus).


You can order “PANTHER” in its various formats here: https://PainofSalvation.lnk.to/Panther
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on November 20, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
I wasn't too impressed by the remix for Used. The cymbals have been dialed down just a bit too much for my taste, and overall it just seems flatter.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on November 20, 2020, 12:22:17 PM
Sadly this is the case for most of the album, the new mix isn't working for me. It sounds pretty flat and lifeless overall.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2020, 12:34:39 PM
TPE is my fav PoS album but the production has always felt a bit.....lacking depth to me. I'll see how this new one is, but I'm not having high expectations.


Really, Steven Wilson could've remixed this. He seems to get it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: kirksnosehair on November 20, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
I just downloaded the remix from Amazon.com.  I'm really more interested in the live cuts
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 20, 2020, 02:49:50 PM
I never really had a problem with how TPE sounded. But I'm interested in the live tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 21, 2020, 03:01:28 AM
I love TPE the way it is but a 2020 remix of one of my favorite albums ever will definitely get me excited! It does highlight some parts better while some parts sounds colder and the additional effects added (or that simply was super low in original mix) doesn't improve the songs. I am very happy overall that the remix tries something different.

I think the live versions are cool but nothing amazing. Specially since it's songs i already heard live many times. Idioglossia, Her Voices or In The Flesh live would have gotten me very excited.

Actually what they did for Remedy Lane was cool i.e. playing the whole album live and releasing that together with the new remix.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 21, 2020, 05:43:33 AM
Picked up the 2cd edition of Panther today.  Haven't even heard the album yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on November 22, 2020, 07:01:17 AM
This anniversary mix is a wonderful thing to have. I've always loved The Perfect Element immensely, but with all the layers it's got going on most the time, the original mix, while not without its merits, struggled to make sense of it all. I like how this version has a ton more clarity, more power where needed and greater separation between the instruments. Being able to discern the string and keyboard parts throughout is mostly a boon (the jury's still out on the loud sawtooth line during King of Loss' chorus).

Unlike some I certainly don't find this mix to be woefully flat or too modernized. Thankfully they kept to the original recorded sounds where it counts. There are certain details and features I'm missing from before, like being able to hear the bass and all main vocal lines without effort, but since the album's basically a part of my DNA I can fill in those blanks with ease if that makes sense.

The one thing that doesn't sit well with me is the strange high-end ringing during the title track's "I'm the waking child" section. I do feel that most of the changes in terms of added effects were tastefully and respectfully done.

Overall then this is one of the rare success stories when it comes to full album remixes. It's still not perfect, but it's an improvement and as close as we'll get to one. This was surely more called for than in the case of Remedy Lane. I'd go so far as to say that TPE needed this. I greatly appreciate the loving work done by Pontus Lindmark here.

The bonus CD was decent enough for an extra, but it's nothing I'm likely to revisit. I did like what they did with the end of this live version of TPE the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on November 24, 2020, 05:07:32 AM
With my lay ears I think I hear a bigger difference between the two Remedy Lane mixes than the two Perfect Element mixes. I thought the differences would be bigger.

For me, the mix is an improvement over the overloaded yet weirdly thin sound of the original. I just think the drums could have a bigger sound though. They do sound better, but I am a fan of mighty drums  :lol

I am not at my own apartment because of the lockdown in Austria right now, so I don't have my whole collection including the vinyl with the original mix of The Perfect Element right here.. Also I don't have a very good sound system here. Once I get back to my apartment I will compare the two mixes one on one.

That being said, one of the band's best songs ever, Voices, sounds opulent with this mix.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 24, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
I think the changes for TPE are bigger than Remedy actually. However I do know TPE by heart so it's easy to distinguish when something is different.

Been playing this quite a bit last days and still in awe of how just superb this album still is. Daniel was on fire when writing lyrics and melodies. Her Voices was already my favorite but here the mix elevate it even more. The finale is top 3 POS highlights for me.

King of Loss has some effects I don't quite like in this mix. Like the "will buy me a precious smile" where they have this echo effect. Just don't fit imo.

But someone said it well that this mix in a way does make the mix more distinguished and knows better what to do with everything.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 24, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
Must give some appreciation to the strings that can now be heard in the TPE (the song). The original mix sadly hides the strings for the intro and now when I hear them loud and clear I can't live without it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on November 27, 2020, 12:56:29 AM
Haha I am just talking to myself at this point but have to write stuff down when it gets inside my head to much. Listening to the remix just turned me into the child that once heard this album for the first time and started to understand how big impact it would have on me.

How can a band from Sweden write this and be ignored by that same country? Every god damn day I see some musician on TV being applauded for their musical impact when they written a new song just like their previous. Mediocre singers. Mediocre songwriters. Maybe someone released a new album created using the same template about something I heard 1000 times before. Sometimes it's ofc valid or the musician had a big impact long time ago on radio. BUT HOW is it that an album as fantastic as this can be so ignored. I am happy there's a community where it does get the high praise it deserve. Not sure why that's important but it feels a bit like justice to me. It also makes me wonder how many other albums from other countries that I don't know about that could have a similar impact on me.

Anyway TPE is just the best album by a band unknown to the rest of the world (except progressive community). I really love it so much.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on November 27, 2020, 04:17:45 AM
Don't worry man, I read everything you are writing ;)

I think the changes for TPE are bigger than Remedy actually. However I do know TPE by heart so it's easy to distinguish when something is different.

Been playing this quite a bit last days and still in awe of how just superb this album still is. Daniel was on fire when writing lyrics and melodies. Her Voices was already my favorite but here the mix elevate it even more. The finale is top 3 POS highlights for me.

King of Loss has some effects I don't quite like in this mix. Like the "will buy me a precious smile" where they have this echo effect. Just don't fit imo.

But someone said it well that this mix in a way does make the mix more distinguished and knows better what to do with everything.

You might know this album far better than me. As mentioned, I will have to compare the two versions one on one once I get back to Austria to my record collection. I admit I haven't heard the Remedy Lane remix OR original mix in over a year, so my memory could be off.


Haha I am just talking to myself at this point but have to write stuff down when it gets inside my head to much. Listening to the remix just turned me into the child that once heard this album for the first time and started to understand how big impact it would have on me.

How can a band from Sweden write this and be ignored by that same country? Every god damn day I see some musician on TV being applauded for their musical impact when they written a new song just like their previous. Mediocre singers. Mediocre songwriters. Maybe someone released a new album created using the same template about something I heard 1000 times before. Sometimes it's ofc valid or the musician had a big impact long time ago on radio. BUT HOW is it that an album as fantastic as this can be so ignored. I am happy there's a community where it does get the high praise it deserve. Not sure why that's important but it feels a bit like justice to me. It also makes me wonder how many other albums from other countries that I don't know about that could have a similar impact on me.

Anyway TPE is just the best album by a band unknown to the rest of the world (except progressive community). I really love it so much.

As for this band and album being unknown to most people; that is the sad reality for so many great progressive bands. A band like PoS (or Haken, Big Big Train or Leprous) deserve worldwide fame for their amazing compositions and performances. But people don't take their time to listen to a complex 70 minutes concept album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LordCost on November 27, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
I agree, on these days it's already hard to finish to listen a single song for most people.
Maybe if I was born in the 2000 I would have never had the patience to listen those albums.

I agree that TPE is unreal, so many highlights one after the other. The style of PoS may be too dramatic for many but to me is pure emotion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on January 02, 2021, 05:28:02 PM
Took some time to properly A/B compare sections from most songs. Guitars and vocals are a bit muffled to leave space for other instruments, Daniels voice sounds less human as a result, but 80% of the time I prefer it this way to hear more details in the background. Heavier tracks like Used and Reconciliation however lose too much of their emotional drive.
The only real failure in my opinion is Song for the Innocent. Many quiet sections throughout the album were made louder in this mix, I don't agree with those decisions, but I don't consider them hurtful. The solo of Song for the Innocent however was made quieter. I consider it one of the albums highlights and like how the original mix kicks into overdrive at this point. The new mix makes the solo sound anemic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 26, 2021, 08:21:11 AM
Pain of Salvation – First ever vinyl release announced for the concept album "BE" and the acoustic live album "12:5" from 2004

Pre-order starts today

Drum playthrough video launched

While Swedish progressive metal / rock pioneers and innovators Pain of Salvation continue to challenge and bend stylistic boundaries with their frontline albums (Most recently: “PANTHER”, 2020), InsideOutMusic continues to re-work the group’s comprehensive and ground-breaking back-catalogue…
 
Consequently, Pain of Salvation’s classic 2004 concept album “BE” (15 songs / 75 min.) as well as the exceptional 2004 acoustic live album 12:5 (16 songs / 60 min.) are now made available for the first time ever on vinyl, with a worldwide release date of April 30th, 2021.
 
Both releases come as Gatefold Double-LP’s on 180g. vinyl with insert sheet and full album on bonus CD, available in the following variations/limitations:
 
Pain of Salvation – “BE” (Re-issue 2021):
Gatefold black 2LP+CD – Unlimited
Gatefold deep blood red 2LP+CD – 100x copies from IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. magenta 2LP+CD – 300x copies from CM Distro & IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. light blue 2LP+CD  – 200x copies from EMP
Gatefold transp. sun yellow 2LP+CD – 200x copies from JPC
Gatefold lilac 2LP+CD – 200x copies from Revolver / USA
Gatefold white 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
Gatefold transp. petrol green 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
 
Pain of Salvation – 12:5 (Re-issue 2021):
Gatefold black 2LP+CD – Unlimited
Gatefold brown 2LP+CD – 100x copies from IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. sun yellow 2LP+CD – 300x copies from CM Distro & IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold neon orange 2LP+CD – 200x copies from EMP
Gatefold transp. petrol green 2LP+CD – 200x copies from JPC
Gatefold brick red 2LP+CD – 200x copies from Revolver / USA
Gatefold white 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
 
The pre-order for both vinyl re-issues is now available here:
https://painofsalvation.lnk.to/Re-Issues2021PR
 
Pain of Salvation’s Daniel Gildenlöw checked in with the following comment:
“So, we can’t come and play for you, but in this weird time of separation, we are all somehow closer to one another than ever. Please invite us into your hearts and homes in the shape of these two albums that are finally released on vinyl, after all these years. We know, judging from the number of questions and requests over the years, how important this day is for many of you, and it makes us very happy to be able to bring you the news. Your. Wait. Is. Over.
 
At http://painofsalvation.com/store we will have signed colored versions available, 100 copies worldwide only, and the first 30 copies of each version will be numbered and have a handwritten lyric quote on the front cover. All pre-sales come with two shop-specific postcards.”
 
Additionally, Pain of Salvation’s drummer Léo Margarit prepared a special drum playthrough video for the “BE” song “Nihil Morari” to enhance the announcement of these vinyl re-issues.
You can check out the clip here: https://youtu.be/94J7R5jhDVo
 
Léo Margarit commented:
“I played “Nihil Morari” for the first time when I pressed “record” on my pro tools system for that video recording...While I knew all about its intricacies for having listened to it just about a million times, it proved rather difficult to perform well right away...! Nonetheless it was really fun to do and I hope I’m making Johan Langell proud!”
 
Pain of Salvation have most recently released the studio album “PANTHER”, which managed to enter various international sales charts including the following: Germany # 19, Switzerland # 18, Austria # 43, Belgium (Wallonia) # 42, France # 125, UK Rock Album Chart # 12 as well as # 21 in the “Current Hard Music Albums” chart in the USA.
 
Check out these video links for an introduction to Pain of Salvation’s “PANTHER” album:
“ACCELERATOR”: https://youtu.be/5QKmOJl4GXQ
“RESTLESS BOY”: https://youtu.be/jkU564tyD5M
“PANTHER”: https://youtu.be/NmhJTkc9v8o
“UNFUTURE” Lyric Video: https://youtu.be/lZy3XoOBHTU
“PANTHER” Lyric Video: https://youtu.be/katNlRYPA9o
“RESTLESS BOY” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/URYPi9Elv2g
“ACCELERATOR” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/zC7qXUjYyDQ
“WAIT” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/zDzrglYYVvM
“PANTHER” Album Trailer: https://youtu.be/njgmgECkFBw

Next to the standard CD and the Digital Album formats, ”PANTHER” is also available as limited 2CD Mediabook (Including expanded artwork and the 4 bonus tracks on a separate disc) and as 180g. Gatefold 2LP (Including the 4 bonus tracks on Side D and album on CD as bonus).


You can still order “PANTHER” in its various formats here: https://PainofSalvation.lnk.to/Panther
 
Pain of Salvation also recently released a special re-issue edition for their “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” album from 2000. Celebrating the 20th anniversary of the band’s third album, the re-issue version is entitled “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” and comes remixed by Pontus Lindmark as well as mastered by Thor Legvold / Sonovo. The release features slightly revised artwork, new liner-notes and is available as limited 2CD Digipak and Digital Album (with a total of 8 bonus tracks) as well as in the Gatefold 2LP format on 180g. vinyl with the entire remixed album as bonus CD.
 
Check out the album’s digital singles for a better idea of the new mixes:
“Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVblZBWE5ag
https://open.spotify.com/track/1KsDYvXlD1Kwv8h4WQUmOv
“Used (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwJJO2__z_U
https://open.spotify.com/album/6bY1mKqQrw9OQ6VA2VDqS5
 
Watch two drum playthrough clips by Pain of Salvation’s Léo Margarit for “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” songs:
Idioglossia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyZ4NZBCpA4
Used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWH48KYM1kY
 
You can order the release in its various formats here:
https://painofsalvation.lnk.to/ThePerfectElementI2020
 
Stay tuned for more Pain of Salvation news coming soon…
Pain of Salvation online:
www.painofsalvation.com
www.facebook.com/painofsalvation
https://twitter.com/thebestofpain

INSIDEOUT MUSIC online:
www.insideoutmusic.com
www.insideoutmusic.store
www.youtube.com/InsideOutMusicTV
www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic
www.twitter.com/InsideOutUSA
http://spotify.com/progrockessentials
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 26, 2021, 09:26:51 AM
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on February 26, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
Not a big vinyl guy, but 12:05 is awesome.  Love that reworked version of Ashes they did.  I think I actually like it better than TPE version
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 27, 2021, 08:11:05 AM
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 27, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!

damn, I missed that. I ended up buying In the Passing Light of Day along with Remedy Lane and TPE on Vinyl.

Also One Hour came out, but those appear to be issued only in Germany, so the price?..it looks like between $45-$60 :smiley:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 27, 2021, 11:20:33 AM
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!

damn, I missed that. I ended up buying In the Passing Light of Day along with Remedy Lane and TPE on Vinyl.

Also One Hour came out, but those appear to be issued only in Germany, so the price?..it looks like between $45-$60 :smiley:

Their rereleases came out on InsideOut and it's a German label, yes. But usually, InsideOut vinyl is available basically everywhere, including Amazon. The colored versions are mostly sold out, but you should be able to find the black vinyl for a reasonable price still  :tup Dream Theater is on the InsideOut label too!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 04, 2021, 11:28:44 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 05, 2021, 02:01:16 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

Awesome!!

Daniel answered a fan's comment under a post yesterday:

Quote
Don't worry, the record industry is a slow machine. Once I'm 100% done and all the mixing, mastering and artwork is done, it's another 4 months until it can be released. Unless it's a month with lots of releases, then you might have to wait a few more months. This is why I always feel I'm making interviews on an old album. When PANTHER was released, I had left it ages ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on March 05, 2021, 08:24:58 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 05, 2021, 08:43:24 AM
1 of the interviews Daniel gave when Panther dropped, I recall he mentioned some of the music he wrote wasn't used on Panther, and hinted at the next record coming soon, so a follow-up this year doesn't seem surprising.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 05, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...

Cool! I think I have heard this info before but completely forgot about it. I'd really like that!

Maybe it's too unimaginative, but maybe he'll call the band's next album DOG (considering the whole concept is about dogs and panthers)  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 05, 2021, 11:10:05 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

Awesome!!

Daniel answered a fan's comment under a post yesterday:

Quote
Don't worry, the record industry is a slow machine. Once I'm 100% done and all the mixing, mastering and artwork is done, it's another 4 months until it can be released. Unless it's a month with lots of releases, then you might have to wait a few more months. This is why I always feel I'm making interviews on an old album. When PANTHER was released, I had left it ages ago.

Hopefully it will be out towards the end of the year then.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 05, 2021, 11:11:20 AM
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...

Didn't know that, but I'm down - I loved Panther!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on June 26, 2021, 06:21:49 AM
For some reason I had an urge to go back on a bit of a POS deep dive.  I started with the remixed version of Remedy Lane.  Sounds great and without playing both cd's back to back I'm not sure what the differences are but this sounds great.

The main reason for my post is the second live CD.  I don't think I've ever spun it but holy shit this is a wonderful performance.  And a great sounding recording. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on September 06, 2021, 01:06:11 AM
So what's the 1 year later verdict of Panther?

I am impressed by how well Panther has aged for me. I really loved the album on release and it left me more impressed by than ITPLOD, which I seldom listen to anymore. ITPLOD is somehow objectively good but it much more a classic prog metal than I am used to from POS. It doesn't twist and turn or force me to rethink anything, which usually happens with POS. For any other band ITPLOD would be a milestone but for POS somehow it's too predictable and one sided for me 🤔

Panther on the other side is one of the best well rounded albums released by the band. It sounds fantastic and contains a style that feels new and fresh even 1 year ahead. Going from the crazy nerv of Accelerator into the heavy as f**k Unfuture into the drum madness that is Restless Boy over to the beauty of Wait is just a fantastic start for an album 😍 Crazy variation but still somehow fits.

Not sure where it fits exactly in the discography rating but for me but I honestly think it takes RL down one step leaving TPE and BE just above.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on September 06, 2021, 01:27:29 AM
Panther is still a beast, but I've never gotten to terms with the title track. I'm just not into that style of music.
I agree that it's a stronger album than ITPLOD which certainly had it's moments, but also more substandard riffs, meandering passages and annoying bits than I thought I'd get from Daniel & co.

Might as well throw a ranking here:

1. TPE
2. RL
3. Entropia
4. OHBTCL
5. Panther
6. BE
7. ITPLOD
8. Scarsick
9. RS2
10. RS1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 06, 2021, 01:35:13 AM
I haven't listened to Panther in a while but I'd say in my head it holds up fairly well. Some songs on it I really enjoyed like Keen to a Fault and Accelerator.
My rankings would look something like this:

1. BE
2. TPE
3. Entropia
4. RL
5. Panther
6. ITPLOD
7. OHBTCL
8. RS2
9. RS1
10. Scarsick

Overall Scarsick is really the only one I don't revisit much. It has some decent songs on it but it feels quite long and personally never quite clicked with me. I'll throw on the RS albums maybe once a year and get a kick out of them. The title track of ITPLOD is still my favorite PoS tune overall but the album does have a few weaker songs before that. BE is their best even though the concept is something I never fully got into, TPE, Entropia and RL are all great. Panther the best of the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 06, 2021, 03:17:22 AM
When it was released I really liked Panther and was impressed, but one year later I realize that I almost never have the urge to listen to it again. If ranking it, as of now it would be more near the bottom, maybe like this:

The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
In The Passing Light Of Day
Road Salt 1
Scarsick
Panther
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on September 06, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
It was my album of the year last year and I'm sticking to that -  loved it when it was released and still love it now!  Rankings would be as follows -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. PANTHER
4. Entropia
5. In the Passing Light of Day
6. BE
7. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
8. Road Salts One
9. Road Slats Two
10. Scarsick

Can't wait for the new album.  Has anyone heard any updates on it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2021, 08:18:07 PM
Very late to the party. Just picked up Panther today and spun it for the first time on my commute home. (Along with the new Maiden…traffic was terrible)

Very different. Really enjoyed it. The highlights were not as high as they were on ITPLOD…but there also wasn’t anything like Reasons (which I really hated).

I’ll have to spin in a few more times to make up my mind, but I found it a more enjoyable listening experience as a whole that ITPLOD.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nick_z on September 11, 2021, 01:12:21 PM
Pain of Salvation is a band I was kind of obsessed with and then...I wasn't anymore  ;)

I discovered them with One Hour, which I loved (and still is one of my favorites)...went back to Entropia when it was re-released in Europe. Then my fandom was cemented with Perfect Element Pt.1 and, even more, Remedy Lane. That's when they hit the sweet spot for me. Very "emotional" music with plenty of ideas and surprises. I didn't connect with BE as much - some great moments in it, but overall a few steps too far in trying to write the concept to end all concepts. I however enjoyed Scarsick a TON when it came out. Even songs where the occasional cringe factor was pretty high  :biggrin:

Then...they sort of lost me. I don't think it's the fact that they "changed" per se. After all, Scarsick was already quite different than what came before. It's just that the sound they went for on the Road Salt albums didn't interest me much. I don't know...that vintage thing didn't come across as particularly natural, and the songs (for the most part) didn't hit me.

I guess POS was always Gildenlow's creature, but this is when it became especially clear he was the one making all the calls (well, literally, since most of the original members were gone by now)

A for the most recent history: I actually liked In the Passing Light of Day...again, not because of its touted "return to prog" (which was true only to a point, I think)...more because of a return of interesting ideas - to me at least. But even with liking it, I can't say it rekindled the old flame. As for Panther, I found it to be quite cool, but I wasn't blown away. I do need to spend more time with it, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 05, 2021, 11:15:07 PM
working title of the next record: "The Deep End"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUq-pmuIUAs/

Quote
danielgildenlow
Candles are lit, the Kiss incense is burning, and so is the midnight oil. Working title for the new album is THE DEEP END. Will you follow us into the deep? #welcometothedeepend #painofsalvation #happypuppy #deadmapleroom #5am
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on October 06, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
working title of the next record: "The Deep End"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUq-pmuIUAs/

Quote
danielgildenlow
Candles are lit, the Kiss incense is burning, and so is the midnight oil. Working title for the new album is THE DEEP END. Will you follow us into the deep? #welcometothedeepend #painofsalvation #happypuppy #deadmapleroom #5am
Beat me to it, was about to come on here and post this as well.  Hopefully we'll hear more details about the release soon.  I know they've been working on it for awhile..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
Yea, if I remember correctly at least some of the writing is from the Panther sessions, so I assume it'll have a pretty similar vibe. Which is fine by me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on October 06, 2021, 12:20:31 PM
Yea, if I remember correctly at least some of the writing is from the Panther sessions, so I assume it'll have a pretty similar vibe. Which is fine by me.
Yep, me as well.  Daniel mentioned over a year ago that he had started working on the next album.  Glad to see they take their time with it, unlike some others we know LOL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on October 07, 2021, 09:17:26 AM
The only thing that bugs me is the snare sound...it's a bit annoying. Last two PoS releases have been stellar except for that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 24, 2022, 06:58:17 PM
NA Tour this May with Klone.

i wonder if this suggests the new album could be coming this Spring?

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272410413_484551913039608_8397136608130700858_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zZAQBEiaMnQAX-p3R9s&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-rGveG_tDN_oeficUFf3WOo3EkqIAa0Vde4atkdmz3TA&oe=61F37CD5)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 24, 2022, 07:18:54 PM
Definitely going to that New York show!


Not sure if we'll get a new album before then, but maybe!

DG posted a pic of them recording the new album I think just today. No way they're still recording an album that will be released before May. Unless it was just an old pic and they're finished.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 25, 2022, 03:48:37 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but apparently the new album will be called THE DEEP END and it will include a song named FROM THE DEEP  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 25, 2022, 03:51:30 AM
Will they continue with the ALL CAPS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 25, 2022, 04:52:50 AM
Will they continue with the ALL CAPS?

I'M NOT SURE BUT DG STYLIZED IT THAT WAY IN HIS POST SO THEY MIGHT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 25, 2022, 08:49:33 AM
Imma go to that DC show for sure! 

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on January 25, 2022, 08:58:38 AM
I'll see them on CttE, but not sure about any other shows. NYC would involve taking half a day off from work since I usually work from home now, and Philly would involve round trip transportation plus an airbnb for the night. I wasn't head over heels with Panther, so unless they drop the new album first and I love it I'll probably just stick with the cruise sets.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on January 25, 2022, 09:08:12 AM
I'll hit the Cambridge, Ma show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 25, 2022, 11:33:24 AM
I don't know if this was mentioned, but back in I believe November, Daniel had posted that he had contracted Lyme disease, and as a result he was unable to work on the new album for a few months.  Back then he said he had recovered, and was starting to work on the album again (and they're obviously still working on it).  So that set it back a bit.  Man for a guy who seems like he's in incredible shape, he sure has had some back luck health wise the last decade or so.  I really liked PANTHER so have high hopes for THE DEEP END
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 25, 2022, 11:38:13 AM
Imma go to that DC show for sure! 

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.
Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 25, 2022, 11:59:29 AM

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.
Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.

I'm going off of the tour poster image posted above.  Guessing not all of them are actually listed/available just yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 25, 2022, 02:02:32 PM

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.
Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.

I'm going off of the tour poster image posted above.  Guessing not all of them are actually listed/available just yet.
OK, thanks.  I totally spaced and missed that.  Has anyone heard anything about a new bass player?  You'd think with a tour coming up they'd already have someone in place.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 13, 2022, 01:16:37 PM
Daniel's up in his cabin in the woods this weekend recording vocals for the new album.  He actually posted a couple sneak peaks on Facebook yesterday asking peoples opinions on the different mic's he's using.  It sounded pretty incredible if you ask me.  Definitely a bit of a PANTHER vibe but slightly different.  If you have him on Facebook, go check it out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 13, 2022, 01:32:45 PM
yeah I saw that on Instagram as well.

if he's working on vocals right now, yeah the new album very likely won't be until late in the year, or even early 2023.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 13, 2022, 01:51:48 PM
yeah I saw that on Instagram as well.

if he's working on vocals right now, yeah the new album very likely won't be until late in the year, or even early 2023.
Hopefully by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 13, 2022, 02:09:42 PM
I have tired, on multiple occasions, to get into Pain of Salvation...largely inspired by the way their fan base has written about the band over the years.

Unfortunately, nothing has clicked. Most recently, I gave their last record ('Panther'?) a listen when it came out, but again, I literally can't remember a single thing about it. I like Daniel's voice, and I 'like' the idea of the band...hell, I even like their album covers, but I suspect I'm just starting at the wrong spot. If the first thing I ever heard from DT was The Astonishing, I'm not sure that I'd have become a fan.

If anyone who's a fan wants to post a quick 'ranking' or 'where to start first' list, I'd love to give POS another shot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on March 13, 2022, 02:15:20 PM
The debut has a couple of great tracks. But the albums "The perfect Element" and "Remedy Lane" are the most solid collections of songs they have done.

"B.E." stands out as their craziest concept album with some unique tracks that work like puzzle pieces in the whole but don't do much as songs of their own. If this sounds like your cup of tea, make sure to give it a listen.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 13, 2022, 02:36:24 PM
They change the style of their music quite often, so their records are kinda diverse, but if you can't get into The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane, you probably don't like the rest either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nick_z on March 13, 2022, 02:55:04 PM
I of course agree with the Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element recommendations.

I would add a personal favorite as well - One Hour By the Concrete Lake. It's their second album, first I've heard of them. In a way, that's their most classically Prog (capital P) Metal album, but it had plenty of their unique approach already. Production is a bit weird, but I love that record.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 13, 2022, 03:09:38 PM
The debut has a couple of great tracks. But the albums "The perfect Element" and "Remedy Lane" are the most solid collections of songs they have done.

"B.E." stands out as their craziest concept album with some unique tracks that work like puzzle pieces in the whole but don't do much as songs of their own. If this sounds like your cup of tea, make sure to give it a listen.

"B.E." is the one with the narration? Yeah, I don't think I ever made it past the third track.

I will definitely listen to 'Remedy Lane' and 'The Perfect Element'...I usually start with a band's most recent, but the 'Panther' album reminded me more of a modern hard rock album (like Disturbed???) than anything close to a Prog record.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 13, 2022, 03:11:53 PM
I would try a few songs, but i agree, The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are probably the most accessible..

Entropia - People Passing By
One Hour by the Concrete Lake - Inside
The Perfect Element - In the Flesh, The Perfect Element, Her Voices
Remedy Lane - A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Ending Theme
Be - Iter Impius
Road Salt I - Linoleum
Road Salt II - Eleven
In the Passing Light of Day - On a Tuesday
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NoseofNicko on March 13, 2022, 03:14:35 PM
As others have said The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are the best albums to start with.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on March 13, 2022, 03:58:24 PM
I think the first four are among the greatest debut 4 albums of all time in progressive metal.

Then BE was 5th, and while I do consider that to be an artistic masterpiece, it’s a little bit more like performance art set to music than a proper progressive metal album.

The albums since then have been pretty hit and miss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 13, 2022, 05:02:03 PM
Another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.  I would pick up both of those and dive into them hard.  If those don’t click with you, they’re probably not the band for you. I consider both those albums 5 out of 5 stars!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: porcacultor on March 14, 2022, 01:07:25 AM
Definitely focus on The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane. They're ghostly portraits of what the band is now – the second guitar player is back, but for a while only Daniel Gildenlow remained from that lineup –, but their shadows loom large over the rest of their output since.

In the Passing Light of Day actually made me fall back in love with the band after not being so into the Road Salt albums (though there are a few songs in there that I love), so I'd recommend that one too.

If you want to get curious with the first albums, try their acoustic one, 12:5! It's surprisingly excellent for an acoustic album and has some versions that manage to excel the originals, IMO (Oblivion Ocean for one).

I wasn't crazy about Panther when it first came out, but I think it's charm and complexity are a bit deceiving. If you see it as a supercharged, streamlined, and warbly/glitchy version of In the Passing Light of Day (assuming you're into that one), it becomes a hell of a ride!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on March 14, 2022, 01:19:26 AM
I'm only a casual PoS listener, I basically focus on Remedy Lane. That one seems to hit the spot for me, along with some stuff off The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Bentower on March 14, 2022, 01:49:52 AM
Here's yet another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.

Besides being arguably the two brightest gems in their discography, the other thing they have going for them is that they were both recently remixed (as 20th Anniversary Mix and Re:mixed, respectively) which did wonders as far as their clarity and punch goes.

The live acoustic album 12:5 that followed is also part of what I consider their artistic peak. Guitar tones notwithstanding, that one is very beautiful and imaginative. It also gives a taste of some great songs from the Entropia album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 14, 2022, 12:06:12 PM
I too LOVE 12:5.  But I would pick that up after fully digesting The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.  I think this will give you a better appreciation of it.  And if you really like that - then pickup Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake.  The Road Salts are the weakest albums for me, but yes still a few outstanding songs on those as well.  I love both In the Passing Light of Day and PANTHER.  I thought they're both a huge return to form.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on March 14, 2022, 02:53:44 PM
I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 14, 2022, 04:13:43 PM
I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.
Yes, this would work well too.  Then after you're familiar with Remedy Lane, pick up 12:5 and I guarantee you'll love that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 26, 2022, 08:43:30 PM
Here's yet another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.

Besides being arguably the two brightest gems in their discography, the other thing they have going for them is that they were both recently remixed (as 20th Anniversary Mix and Re:mixed, respectively) which did wonders as far as their clarity and punch goes.

The live acoustic album 12:5 that followed is also part of what I consider their artistic peak. Guitar tones notwithstanding, that one is very beautiful and imaginative. It also gives a taste of some great songs from the Entropia album.

I did not know The Perfect Element was remixed. Damn...almost $18 for the MP3 on Amaschlong.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on April 27, 2022, 07:43:40 AM
I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.
Yes, this would work well too.  Then after you're familiar with Remedy Lane, pick up 12:5 and I guarantee you'll love that.

12:5 and the Road Salt albums were clunkers for me and even Be to some extent. But Entropia, One Hour, TPE and Remedy Lane is probably one of the best runs ever in music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 27, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.
Yes, this would work well too.  Then after you're familiar with Remedy Lane, pick up 12:5 and I guarantee you'll love that.

12:5 and the Road Salt albums were clunkers for me and even Be to some extent. But Entropia, One Hour, TPE and Remedy Lane is probably one of the best runs ever in music.
Agree for the most part on the Road Salt albums (but there are some good songs on both), but not 12:5 - I love that album.  BE is an interesting one.  For me it has some killer material on it, but at the same time there's definitely some "fluff" there that does nothing for me.  But their first 4 albums, and their last two, are all amazing IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2022, 03:08:27 PM
I started listening to them with The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane and got 12:5 after that. I absolutely love that stretch of 3 releases. I got Concrete Lake and Entropia next but really never got into them like everyone else did. This was around the time BE came out and I was lukewarm to it then but really love it now. After Scarsick and the Road Salt albums, haven't paid much attention to them since.

I do need to check out the recent releases though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2022, 03:42:02 PM
I started listening to them with The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane and got 12:5 after that. I absolutely love that stretch of 3 releases. I got Concrete Lake and Entropia next but really never got into them like everyone else did. This was around the time BE came out and I was lukewarm to it then but really love it now. After Scarsick and the Road Salt albums, haven't paid much attention to them since.

I do need to check out the recent releases though.

Minus a song or two, I don’t listen to Scarsick or either Road Salt album but the last two albums have really been fantastic. Different, not super accessible, but really great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2022, 04:04:27 PM
Scarsick is incredible.  I understand why it's so ragged on, but it has a certain charm and atmosphere to me, it made my top 50, a brilliant album.  I really enjoyed Panther, I'll need to revisit  ITPLOD, that one didn't really connect too much with me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2022, 04:17:28 PM
Scarsick is incredible.  I understand why it's so ragged on, but it has a certain charm and atmosphere to me, it made my top 50, a brilliant album.  I really enjoyed Panther, I'll need to revisit  ITPLOD, that one didn't really connect too much with me.

I think Scarsick had a ton of potential. But the lyrics often hold it back and the production is just missing something to make it huge. But it has some really cool music, Melodie’s, riffs, and even a few great songs. But when he starts ranting against fast food and how America sucks and how rappers are dumb and what not, he just comes off as childish.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2022, 04:30:25 PM
Scarsick is incredible.  I understand why it's so ragged on, but it has a certain charm and atmosphere to me, it made my top 50, a brilliant album.  I really enjoyed Panther, I'll need to revisit  ITPLOD, that one didn't really connect too much with me.

I think Scarsick had a ton of potential. But the lyrics often hold it back and the production is just missing something to make it huge. But it has some really cool music, Melodie’s, riffs, and even a few great songs. But when he starts ranting against fast food and how America sucks and how rappers are dumb and what not, he just comes off as childish.

I can see that but I guess that sort of stuff is what gives it a certain charm for me.  Spitfall's lyrics were pretty bad, but I really enjoyed the message on Cribcaged.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 27, 2022, 05:15:11 PM
Scarsick has more good than bad.

I even feel the lyrics that may seem cringey to many, don't bug me nearly as much as some other records (Fear of a Blank Planet for example, off the top of my head).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 27, 2022, 05:20:47 PM
I started listening to them with The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane and got 12:5 after that. I absolutely love that stretch of 3 releases. I got Concrete Lake and Entropia next but really never got into them like everyone else did. This was around the time BE came out and I was lukewarm to it then but really love it now. After Scarsick and the Road Salt albums, haven't paid much attention to them since.

I do need to check out the recent releases though.
Check out both Panther and In The Passing Light of Day.  Both super strong albums IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2022, 05:24:46 PM
I think I may have heard passing light of day when it came out, will need to re-listen to that and check out panther.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 27, 2022, 05:48:59 PM
I still haven't gotten into Panther. I listened to it once and had no desire to listen to it again...which is kind of weird because that album came out the better part of three years ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2022, 07:42:43 PM
Listening to Panther now, it's really good so far with the 3 tracks in. I must've been living under a rock I had no idea The Perfect Element was remixed and released. I have the Remedy Lane remix which I enjoyed, must get TPE as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2022, 08:20:12 AM
Finished listening to Panther and Passing Light of Day. Both are very good albums and have shades of the TPE and RL vibes that I loved when first listening to the band. I think I like Light just a tad more than Panther. Either way both are excellent records and a very strong return to what made me love this band. I'm going to check out the TPE remix next. Might just do a whole discography listen at this point as it has been a while since I listened to the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 08:51:03 AM
Honestly, I wish they'd remix OHBTCL. That has some strong writing but the production is really really hard for me to look past.



Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.


I do miss the days when this felt like a real band, as opposed to Daniel and whoever happens to be playing with him at any given moment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on April 28, 2022, 09:07:17 AM
Honestly, I wish they'd remix OHBTCL. That has some strong writing but the production is really really hard for me to look past.



Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.


I do miss the days when this felt like a real band, as opposed to Daniel and whoever happens to be playing with him at any given moment.

I agree. Not so much that I'm disappointed in their latter albums but the 'feel' is just different. I would say, even though it's my personal favorite - BE was probably the start of Daniel feeling like more than just the writer/singer for the band. And he became more like the face of the band. Those early albums it just feels like a prog band making music and he happens to be the singer/writer. Now whenever a new album is being made it feels like he's almost a Jesus figure and everyone else are just faceless people in the back. Not that different to Tobias Forge at Ghost.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2022, 09:11:59 AM
Maybe it's the next one? Not sure what the impetus was to remix RL and TPE but hopefully that also gets the remix treatment.

I was surprised that Johan came back, but it doesn't look like any of the band played on Panther, save a track here or there. That's probably why the drums sound all over the place on Panther, don't care much for the playing and tone on most tracks. It's why I am gravitating to Passing Light more as a better cohesive album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 09:15:15 AM


I was surprised that Johan came back, but it doesn't look like any of the band played on Panther, save a track here or there. That's probably why the drums sound all over the place on Panther, don't care much for the playing and tone on most tracks. It's why I am gravitating to Passing Light more as a better cohesive album.

I bought the album on Itunes so I didn't see the booklet, but is that true? The drums sound like Leo to me, but it wouldn't surprise me if Daniel did the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2022, 09:25:20 AM
Looks like I mixed that up, it's the reverse for drums. Daniel plays on UNFUTURE and Leo is the rest.

You can see the booklet here (https://www.discogs.com/release/16083356-Panther/images), it's the one closest to the end with the credits.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 09:27:56 AM
Well it looks like his ego hasn't gotten any smaller haha.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 28, 2022, 10:47:45 AM
Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.

The other Daniel left the band? I thought I heard somewhere (probably a YouTube comment) that he was going to take over the bass duties.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 10:52:22 AM
Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.

The other Daniel left the band? I thought I heard somewhere (probably a YouTube comment) that he was going to take over the bass duties.

Dunno if he left. Daniel said he's "expanding his family" or something along those lines, so it's possible he's just sitting out this tour? Either way, he felt like a hired gun anyway, so replacing him with another hired gun doesn't feel too odd.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2022, 10:59:29 AM
I think that era is most likely gone for them being a band and it's just a Daniel project at this point by the looks of it. I kinda miss Fredrik in the band the most.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
I think that era is most likely gone for them being a band and it's just a Daniel project at this point by the looks of it. I kinda miss Fredrik in the band the most.

Yea. I really miss the OHBTCL - BE lineup. I'm glad Johan is back, but I miss the other guys too. There was a real magic there. Now it's just Daniel and the whoever is with him back up players.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 28, 2022, 11:22:13 AM
Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.

The other Daniel left the band? I thought I heard somewhere (probably a YouTube comment) that he was going to take over the bass duties.

Dunno if he left. Daniel said he's "expanding his family" or something along those lines, so it's possible he's just sitting out this tour? Either way, he felt like a hired gun anyway, so replacing him with another hired gun doesn't feel too odd.

He was in the band for over 10 years and Gustaf was in for 9 years or so. They seemed like real band members to me. I doubt they had any real contributions to the song writing but hasn't that always been the case with the other members?

Edit: The other members except Zolberg.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 12:10:32 PM
Mostly. Fredrick had some good song writing credits with them. Not many, but some key moments (no pun intended).

I think their first guitarist had writing credits too and I would be shocked if Kristofer didn’t.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 12:22:08 PM
I'll agree that it pretty much feels like a Daniel solo project at this point.  But I would point out that Leo has been with him for quite some time now (and he's a fantastic drummer).  I know Daniel had mentioned he played all the bass parts on Panther and most of the guitar parts too.  I'm pretty sure I saw on Facebook a few months ago that Leo was tracking drums for the new album, maybe Johan will be more present on this album as well.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Yea, Leo definitely feels like the other band member. No doubt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 12:24:48 PM
Also looks like they will have a new keyboardist for the tour but haven't announced the bassist yet.

The other Daniel left the band? I thought I heard somewhere (probably a YouTube comment) that he was going to take over the bass duties.
Interesting.  I've been wondering who will be playing bass on this tour and have not been able to find any info/announcement about that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 28, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Yea, Leo definitely feels like the other band member. No doubt.

He's got a good voice too. There's a video of them playing On A Tuesday where Margarit sings the I Lost The Will part and it was really good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
Yea, Leo definitely feels like the other band member. No doubt.

He's got a good voice too. There's a video of them playing On A Tuesday where Margarit sings the I Lost The Will part and it was really good.
He's a very good singer.  I saw a video on YouTube of him singing The Show Must Go On by Queen (obviously not an easy song to sing), and he was very very impressive!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on April 28, 2022, 12:33:29 PM
Yea, Leo definitely feels like the other band member. No doubt.

He's got a good voice too. There's a video of them playing On A Tuesday where Margarit sings the I Lost The Will part and it was really good.
He's a very good singer.  I saw a video on YouTube of him singing The Show Must Go On by Queen (obviously not an easy song to sing), and he was very very impressive!

Yeah I watched that one too  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
Saw this from a progpower facebook group

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Keyboard wizard and all-around cool guy Vikram Shankar of Redemption, Silent Skies, and Lux Terminus will be joining PPUSA alumni Pain of Salvation on their US tour and at ProgPower USA XXI!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 03:43:43 PM
Saw this from a progpower facebook group

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Keyboard wizard and all-around cool guy Vikram Shankar of Redemption, Silent Skies, and Lux Terminus will be joining PPUSA alumni Pain of Salvation on their US tour and at ProgPower USA XXI!
Thanks for the info.  So it appears that Daniel (the other Daniel) will be playing bass then and Vikram will be playing keyboards.  It would be nice if the band, or DG, would announce these things for the fans to know.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 03:50:07 PM
Daniel Karlsson (D2) will not be on tour with them. Per Daniels instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cc3xKg4I4cl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Daniel Karlsson (D2) will not be on tour with them. Per Daniels instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cc3xKg4I4cl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Interesting.  No mention of who will play bass - could it be Daniels brother?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2022, 04:52:32 PM
Daniel Karlsson (D2) will not be on tour with them. Per Daniels instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cc3xKg4I4cl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Interesting.  No mention of who will play bass - could it be Daniels brother?

DON'T TEASE ME!

I'm sure they'll announce it soon.

OR it will be backing tracks and a hologram of Daniel playing bass.

Oh god. I can see it too. Daniel on stage with holograms of him playing the other instruments.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2022, 05:27:16 PM
Saw this from a progpower facebook group

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Keyboard wizard and all-around cool guy Vikram Shankar of Redemption, Silent Skies, and Lux Terminus will be joining PPUSA alumni Pain of Salvation on their US tour and at ProgPower USA XXI!
Thanks for the info.  So it appears that Daniel (the other Daniel) will be playing bass then and Vikram will be playing keyboards.  It would be nice if the band, or DG, would announce these things for the fans to know.

I thought this was just a fan post and since Vikram has played the fest and attended before (I've met him) I took it as truth, but actually it is sourced from Daniel's Facebook page, here is his quote:

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Hey everyone,
The tour is getting closer and closer. And we thought it would be a great idea to introduce the tour line-up.
The last show we did before Covid hit us was with the 4 guys you could see on all the pictures we showed around the PANTHER release and for this tour.
So for this tour we have Daniel Gildenlöw, Johan Hallgren, and Leo Magarit as the usual suspects.
Our keyboardist D2 (Daniel Karlsson) is in the happy circumstance of expanding his family with a little one a while ago. This made it impossible for him to be away for a month from his family duties.  But no worries, we have found an excellent replacement.
So we would like you to welcome to the POS family on keyboards: Vikram Shankar.
Vikram Shankar plays in multinational duo Silent Skies alongside Evergrey frontman Tom Englund, as well as in multinational progressive metal supergroup Redemption and USA-based progressive fusion trio Lux Terminus. Shankar is also a producer, orchestral arranger, and video-game composer whose credits include World War Z: Aftermath and Dakar: Desert Rally.
Vikram says: "I'm thrilled to be helping out the legends in Pain of Salvation on keyboard duties for the upcoming tour dates. Pain of Salvation's music has been a significant part of my musical identity for many years, and it is quite surreal to have the opportunity to be a part of that magic on stage. Looking forward to seeing everyone out on the road!"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 28, 2022, 05:41:33 PM
Daniel Karlsson (D2) will not be on tour with them. Per Daniels instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cc3xKg4I4cl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Interesting.  No mention of who will play bass - could it be Daniels brother?
OR it will be backing tracks and a hologram of Daniel playing bass.

Oh god. I can see it too. Daniel on stage with holograms of him playing the other instruments.
LOL  That would be funny!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2022, 06:28:12 PM
Based on photos from their cruise shows, they simply don’t have a bassist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 06:30:15 PM
Has anyone bought or listened to The Perfect Element 2020 remix?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2022, 06:31:58 PM
Has anyone bought or listened to The Perfect Element 2020 remix?

Yup. It’s fine. Few noticeable changes. Little better mix. Nothing massive.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2022, 06:33:31 PM
Can't wait to see them on the 25th of this month.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on May 05, 2022, 06:38:56 PM
Based on photos from their cruise shows, they simply don’t have a bassist.
Yes, I’m here and they don’t. Daniel made a joke about having a hologram of ABBA’s bassist, but since ABBA’s bassist is dead, the hologram is accurate by not being present.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 07:19:19 PM
Can't wait to see them on the 25th of this month.

That's cool. I was looking into seeing them on the 27th but...mang, I don't like New York Shitty.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2022, 07:28:22 PM
Can't wait to see them on the 25th of this month.

That's cool. I was looking into seeing them on the 27th but...mang, I don't like New York Shitty.

Having Klonw as well is a big bonus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
Can't wait to see them on the 25th of this month.

That's cool. I was looking into seeing them on the 27th but...mang, I don't like New York Shitty.

Having Klonw as well is a big bonus.

You mean Klone? I saw them on there as the "special guest" or something but I haven't heard of them before.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
Yes. Damn sausage fingers. Lol. Check them out. You might like them. Check out, "Le Grand Voyage."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 07:37:03 PM
Yes. Damn sausage fingers. Lol. Check them out. You might like them. Check out, "Le Grand Voyage."

I shall. I'm watching their performance of Nebulous from Hellfest 2019 right now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2022, 07:50:17 PM
I saw that. Very cool shoe. I'm so excited to see both bands.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 07:54:30 PM
Just listening to the first few tracks from Klone's Le Grand Voyage, yeah I could definitely listen to this before Pain of Salvation starts. Alass, I don't think my frail old body can make the mile walk from Penn Station to Gramercy Theater. And I have a terrible sense of direction. But I'm still considering it.

 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 05, 2022, 07:55:39 PM
I saw that. Very cool shoe. I'm so excited to see both bands.

Mang, you mixed the "w" and the "e" in this post and your post about Klone  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2022, 07:58:24 PM
You know my history here don't you?  Lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2022, 08:21:25 PM
Seeing them in NYC, but I'll honest, it'll be really disappointing if they have no bassist.

@coco, how did they handle the bass parts? Just not at all or prerecorded? I can't imagine Ashes is fun without that intro.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on May 05, 2022, 08:37:42 PM
Seeing them in NYC, but I'll honest, it'll be really disappointing if they have no bassist.

@coco, how did they handle the bass parts? Just not at all or prerecorded? I can't imagine Ashes is fun without that intro.
Sorry, I’m not familiar enough with PoS to have been able to tell. I just stopped by to listen in for a bit and noticed there was no bassist, and heard Daniel comment on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 05, 2022, 09:10:01 PM
Random question, but does anyone know what Fredrik Hermansson has been up to?  Just going down the PoS rabbit a hole a bit today.

Also, it's amazing how shredded Daniel has become in recent years.  I was just watching the "Linoleum" video, which I think was only a decaade ago, and Daniel had pretty skinny limbs.  Now he's a monster.  It's quite a Petrucci-esque transformation.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on May 06, 2022, 12:50:30 AM
All bass is on a track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 06, 2022, 04:48:37 AM
All bass is on a track.

That's pretty lame imo, are there no bass players out there?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 06, 2022, 04:52:20 AM
I think Daniel wants to save some money.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 06, 2022, 05:28:24 AM
Probably, but I still think it's lame.

And with this logic, why not do a full playback show without the band?
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 06, 2022, 06:17:48 AM
Daniel said something about the bass player having family obligations preventing him from coming on the tour. I guess he didn't want to bring in a hired gun at the last minute. Lack of a bass player didn't stop them from delivering the best set of the cruise so far last night \m/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on May 06, 2022, 06:50:11 AM
What did they play? :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on May 06, 2022, 06:50:54 AM
Daniel said something about the bass player having family obligations preventing him from coming on the tour. I guess he didn't want to bring in a hired gun at the last minute. Lack of a bass player didn't stop them from delivering the best set of the cruise so far last night \m/

That sounds like he was talking about D2, their keyboardist. I don't think there's been a bass player since Gustav Hielm left in 2020.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 06, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
I think Daniel wants to save some money.
I'm a bass player and I'll do it for free.  Won't cost Daniel a penny..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 06, 2022, 12:10:56 PM
Daniel said something about the bass player having family obligations preventing him from coming on the tour. I guess he didn't want to bring in a hired gun at the last minute. Lack of a bass player didn't stop them from delivering the best set of the cruise so far last night \m/
Was it the same setlist as their first show on the cruise or different?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 06, 2022, 12:29:20 PM
Has anyone bought or listened to The Perfect Element 2020 remix?

Yup. It’s fine. Few noticeable changes. Little better mix. Nothing massive.

I checked it out on streaming at Qobuz and it sounded good. It's a lot more subtle than the Remedy Lane remix. I did enjoy the live tracks that were on the 2nd disc.


I've been digging into their entire discography lately and am almost done with all albums.

I still feel the same about Entropia and One Hour by Concrete Lake. They have some great tracks but the production on both sounds weird, I like Concrete more than Entropia. I can't stand the keyboard sound on Entropia and even the playing is just blah, not having Fredrick on that is one of the biggest reasons I'm guessing. From then on the keys are great though Concrete at times does have that tone that I'm not fond of.

I think I like about half the tracks on Entropia and it's mostly due to them being on 12:5.

Concrete is a great precursor to The Perfect Element, has a lot of groundwork and elements leading to TPE, catchy tracks, and great drum and guitar work. Still not an amazing album but much better than Entropia.

I always go back and forth on which is my fav PoS record and I think I can say for sure TPE is it. Listening to TPE and Remedy Lane back to back, it's still a very tight race and the title track of TPE seals the deal.  Remedy Lane as a whole has more of the favorite melodic tracks and the remix is a solid listening experience.

Didn't think TPE or RL needed remixes but I don't mind them either, the live tracks are definitely a nice bonus.

12:5 is a really fun album, I had heard this before listening to any tracks on Entropia which is probably why I prefer these acoustic version to the album ones.

I hadn't heard BE Live in ages, I always listen to the studio release more than the live one. If I'm not mistaken the live performances were recorded before the studio release of the album. At the time of release I remember it creating a big divide among the fandom at MP.com, I was 50/50 towards it then. Now though I really enjoy it and include it as that amazing stretch of releases of TPE, RL, 12:5 and BE.

The highlight of the album for me is Fredrik's playing throughout. Love his piano tone and arrangements overall, it's such a key part of why this album is amazing for me.

I just got done with Scarsick and I can't put my finger on it but there is something off about the album for my liking. It has great production, playing and the tracks should be something I should enjoy but it's just kinda meh overall.

Next up are the Road Salt albums and I don't have any particularly fond recollections of them apart from the title track.

I had taken a sabbatical from the band after those albums and until recently hadn't heard the last two. I like Passing day a little more than Panther and both are really good return to form for me.
It should be fund re-listening to those albums and getting more familiar with them.


The one aspect of PoS I tend to always ignore is the lyrics and conceptual themes their albums have. It's the one thing I don't care to analyze or dive deep into. It's the same for any band really, I never pay attention to lyrics and themes and all that jazz. I get that Daniel is cut from the same cloth as Steven Wilson, both multi-instrumentalists and highly talented and just really full of themselves. I try not to get too deep into their perspectives on things just to be able to enjoy their music that more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 06, 2022, 02:40:32 PM
Fredrick does play on Entropia, at least according to the liner notes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 06, 2022, 05:41:56 PM
Fredrick does play on Entropia, at least according to the liner notes.

Dammit I mixed that up again. It's Johan on guitar not playing in entropia. Either way I still didn't like the keys on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2022, 07:09:14 AM
Road Salt One was a great listen, honestly surprised how much I enjoyed the album. The tracks tonally are all over the place, from Beatles-esque to really dark evil sounding tracks. Sisters and the title tracks are fantastic and probably top 10 PoS tracks. I haven't listened to this album probably since it first came out and had a mostly negative intial reaction.

I would say they've channeled a lot of Led Zepplin into this record. That's the vibe I got from it.

Road Salt two wasn't as memorable, a few catchy tracks here and there but overall not as punchy as the 1st one.

I also listened to Falling Home, all the acoustic track arrangements are great, not sure about the Holy Diver cover, it's a very jazzy version and very bold of them to do that to such an iconic track. I think the Scarsick tracks benefit the most of this acoustic arrangement.

Now on to the last remaining album, the Ending Themes Live album which again I haven't heard since it first came out.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on May 09, 2022, 07:22:01 AM
I *love* Road Salt 1, such a cool stripped down and vintage vibe.
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Post by: Adami on May 09, 2022, 07:41:56 AM
I *love* Road Salt 1, such a cool stripped down and vintage vibe.

Except the production was so modern. I think the sound of it bothers me a lot, even more than some of the lackluster songs. If they went into the studio with the best sounding 70's kit, and good 70's amps and did it that way, I think it would've sounded good. But instead they went in with totally modern gear and TRIED to make it sound meh and vintage, thus completely missing the point. I remember Daniel saying how sad Leo was when he brought in this lovely kit and they started messing with it to make it sound less good, and the obviously line 6 amps and such just ruin the charm they were going for. Some cool vintage Marshal or Fender amps and a good Ludwig drum kit would've gone a long way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2022, 07:51:37 AM
Yeah I remember that was my reaction when it came out that the sound they were going for was not at all what that album had. Production wise I don't think it's that great and like you said I don't get the 70's production sound from it, the songwriting possibly but not the design.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2022, 09:43:53 AM
Road Salt was made in the era when their label went bankrupt and they had no budget.  I recall Daniel saying that he would have been happy to use real vintage equipment but it wasn't an option.  The documentary videos from the making show them basically duct taping the thing together in a shitty living room. 
https://vimeo.com/239244042

The sound they ended up with has grown on me though.  For better or worse it doesn't sound like anything else I've ever heard. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 10, 2022, 11:20:09 AM
The Road Salt albums are OK plain and simple.  But they're not completely awesome like some of their other releases.  That's how I would characterize it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2022, 12:11:30 PM
Anyone see the Texas setlist?

I like the songs, but it's a very.....odd setlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 11, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
So it's 5 tracks of Panther and Passing Light each with one track of TPE. Is that typical of their setlists?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
So it's 5 tracks of Panther and Passing Light each with one track of TPE. Is that typical of their setlists?

It feels weird to have no RL or any other pre ITPLOD albums represented other than one song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on May 11, 2022, 01:28:18 PM
Road Salt was made in the era when their label went bankrupt and they had no budget.  I recall Daniel saying that he would have been happy to use real vintage equipment but it wasn't an option.  The documentary videos from the making show them basically duct taping the thing together in a shitty living room. 
https://vimeo.com/239244042

The sound they ended up with has grown on me though.  For better or worse it doesn't sound like anything else I've ever heard.

This video is a great watch.  Thanks for sharing.  I really enjoyed watching Daniel bring the album and its sound to life.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 11, 2022, 01:33:09 PM
It's a decent setlist if you like the last two albums (which I do).  Not so much if you were hoping to hear a bunch of their older stuff.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2022, 01:35:24 PM
It's a decent setlist if you like the last two albums (which I do).  Not so much if you were hoping to hear a bunch of their older stuff.


I really like the last two albums and all the songs they're playing, but it's also a mostly new market for them. They don't ever tour America. So to come here for the first time in a long time and do that is just....odd. You know? If it was their 20th tour in the states in the last 10 years or something, that'd be different. But I assume for most people going, it's their first and maybe even last time seeing them. So to play that setlist feels odd.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2022, 01:45:37 PM
It's a decent setlist if you like the last two albums (which I do).  Not so much if you were hoping to hear a bunch of their older stuff.


I really like the last two albums and all the songs they're playing, but it's also a mostly new market for them. They don't ever tour America. So to come here for the first time in a long time and do that is just....odd. You know? If it was their 20th tour in the states in the last 10 years or something, that'd be different. But I assume for most people going, it's their first and maybe even last time seeing them. So to play that setlist feels odd.

I wonder if they will be playing different songs each night.  They played two different sets (with some overlap) on the Cruise to the Edge and the last show of the tour is at ProgPower where they are playing all of The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 11, 2022, 01:50:13 PM
It's a decent setlist if you like the last two albums (which I do).  Not so much if you were hoping to hear a bunch of their older stuff.


I really like the last two albums and all the songs they're playing, but it's also a mostly new market for them. They don't ever tour America. So to come here for the first time in a long time and do that is just....odd. You know? If it was their 20th tour in the states in the last 10 years or something, that'd be different. But I assume for most people going, it's their first and maybe even last time seeing them. So to play that setlist feels odd.
Maybe their thought process was play a bunch of "newer" stuff to try to promote and get some sales for those albums?  Personally, I'd like to see some more older material in there, but like you, I do like all of these songs.  I guess at this point, any POS show is a good thing you know?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 11, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
It's a decent setlist if you like the last two albums (which I do).  Not so much if you were hoping to hear a bunch of their older stuff.


I really like the last two albums and all the songs they're playing, but it's also a mostly new market for them. They don't ever tour America. So to come here for the first time in a long time and do that is just....odd. You know? If it was their 20th tour in the states in the last 10 years or something, that'd be different. But I assume for most people going, it's their first and maybe even last time seeing them. So to play that setlist feels odd.

I wonder if they will be playing different songs each night.  They played two different sets (with some overlap) on the Cruise to the Edge and the last show of the tour is at ProgPower where they are playing all of The Perfect Element.
It would make sense for them to mix in some TPE material at some shows then.  If for nothing else to rehearse them some more before ProgPower.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2022, 02:46:33 PM
Yeah, that's what Haken did some years ago on their NA tour before playing all of Visions at Progpower.  Sprinkle in a few of those songs throughout the tour to get some performances in before doing the special one off show. 
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 11, 2022, 04:56:35 PM
Fascinating. I haven't heard Passing Light of Day, but I enjoy Panther.

I would've went with my friend to the Denver show, but couldn't. Now I know what the setlist looks like, I would've likely just enjoyed the Panther songs more so, and been a bit disappointed in not hearing anything else. But I would've been happy still to see them at all. I would've just hoped for at least one "BE" song in the set, but that wasn't going to happen. My friend also loves Road Salt and he might be upset to know they're not playing anything from that album. I don't know if he looks at set-lists though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 12, 2022, 01:36:26 PM
It's reasonable to have that much material from Panther.  Iove the album so no complaints there.  The odd thing is how there's equally much from Passing Light.  Thought they did enough of those when promoting that album.  Reasons and Meaningless have no reason to be in there when Linoleum and Diffidentia exist, for example.  I don't feel like anyone's asking for those especially with the unspoken weirdness about Meaningless. 

Maybe they just didn't get much rehearsal time (I rember seeing that Vikram only flew over like a day before the tour) and just went with Passing Light songs that were locked and loaded from the last tours.  I'm seeing them on the 2nd last date in DC so maybe by then they've had some time to work more of a mix in. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 12, 2022, 03:59:15 PM
It's reasonable to have that much material from Panther.  Iove the album so no complaints there.  The odd thing is how there's equally much from Passing Light.  Thought they did enough of those when promoting that album.  Reasons and Meaningless have no reason to be in there when Linoleum and Diffidentia exist, for example.  I don't feel like anyone's asking for those especially with the unspoken weirdness about Meaningless. 

Maybe they just didn't get much rehearsal time (I rember seeing that Vikram only flew over like a day before the tour) and just went with Passing Light songs that were locked and loaded from the last tours.  I'm seeing them on the 2nd last date in DC so maybe by then they've had some time to work more of a mix in.


I was thinking the same, that the guys are playing what they already know. This is one time where the setlist has been a decider in me missing work for.

Hilarious though as bands I have wanted to see are playing some questionable setlists. But then, in the end, it's just a me thing and I am sure there are fans who do and will enjoy the setlists.
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Post by: Kram on May 13, 2022, 01:53:25 PM
Has anybody been to one of these shows yet?  They're playing in Pomona tonight east of LA.  I'm tempted to drive up from San Diego (about a 2.5hr drive) but my concert going buddies aren't into them so I'd be going solo - which I don't mind necessarily, but that's 4-5 hours in the car after work tonight, and I just don't know if I have it in me. 
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
Reasons should be in the setlist. It's a killer tune.
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Post by: Adami on May 13, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
Reasons should be in the setlist. It's a killer tune.

Tell me why. Point by point.
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Post by: goo-goo on May 13, 2022, 03:23:13 PM
Has anybody been to one of these shows yet?  They're playing in Pomona tonight east of LA.  I'm tempted to drive up from San Diego (about a 2.5hr drive) but my concert going buddies aren't into them so I'd be going solo - which I don't mind necessarily, but that's 4-5 hours in the car after work tonight, and I just don't know if I have it in me.

If you dig the last two albums, I would say go for it. I missed the Austin show because I felt the setlist was a bit weak in my opinion. I mean if you like the last two albums, you would enjoy it a lot. I like them, but not as much as their earlier stuff before Be. Maybe playing 2-4 songs from that era would have tilted my desire to go. I did see them in Dallas back in 2019 and that was a cold AF but killer show (temp was about 25F, outdoor gig). The setlist was pretty good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2022, 03:43:51 PM
Reasons should be in the setlist. It's a killer tune.

Tell me why. Point by point.

1. *Gutteral response*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 31, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Was at the DC show.  I had the prime spot right in front of Daniel, which really wasn't that hard to get because the venue was less than half full.  Kind of sad to see that the turnout is so low.  I'm still wondering why they've never toured as a support act in the U.S. (as far as I can remember).  It seems like they went straight to headline shows but never built the audience up. 

Anyway the show was amazing.  I honestly neither noticed nor cared about the lack of bass player, except in the intro of Icon when that bass solo came through the PA lol.  I was surprised that Daniel's singing was impeccable and he was hitting all the high notes from TPE material without issue.  After seeing some clips of recent years I though he couldn't do that anymore but at least tonight he 100% could.  I also gotta say that the new stuff rocks harder on stage and when they busted out The Perfect Element it actually sounded kind of antique.  Leo sang that "I lost the will" moment in On a Tuesday which was a really big moment. 

Daniel didn't come out after the show unfortunately but I had lovely conversations with Vikram, Leo, and Johan.  All unbelievably nice people, an excellent lineup on and off stage. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2022, 11:27:50 AM
Yea I was at the NYC show. Venue had maybe 1-200 people? I can't imagine it being much more than that. You could tell Daniel was dissappointed, but Johan stole the show for me. Dude was just nuts.

Also had a sweet moment when Daniel asked the audience to sing happy birthday to his son while he recorded on his phone.

Set list was fine, but them only doing 2 songs not from the last two albums is odd. And doing a headlining show is odd. It's no surprise they had a low turn out. They need to make an eclectic set and open for someone like Dream Theater. But, I had a really good time.


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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 31, 2022, 11:38:45 AM
Oh, one thing I noticed from being 2 feet away from Daniel is that his way of playing guitar is pretty interesting.  Over half the time he's not actually picking, even on the metal riffs, but instead either fingerplucking or thumbslapping the guitar, but then a pick will appear out of nowhere for a strum pattern.  He's tucking the pick behind the middle finger which I know is not unheard of but the way I noticed him doing it in the middle of complex parts while singing at the same time was pretty fascinating.  Dude knows how to multitask. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on May 31, 2022, 12:09:54 PM
Was at the DC show.  I had the prime spot right in front of Daniel, which really wasn't that hard to get because the venue was less than half full.  Kind of sad to see that the turnout is so low.  I'm still wondering why they've never toured as a support act in the U.S. (as far as I can remember).  It seems like they went straight to headline shows but never built the audience up. 

Anyway the show was amazing.  I honestly neither noticed nor cared about the lack of bass player, except in the intro of Icon when that bass solo came through the PA lol.  I was surprised that Daniel's singing was impeccable and he was hitting all the high notes from TPE material without issue.  After seeing some clips of recent years I though he couldn't do that anymore but at least tonight he 100% could.  I also gotta say that the new stuff rocks harder on stage and when they busted out The Perfect Element it actually sounded kind of antique.  Leo sang that "I lost the will" moment in On a Tuesday which was a really big moment. 

Daniel didn't come out after the show unfortunately but I had lovely conversations with Vikram, Leo, and Johan.  All unbelievably nice people, an excellent lineup on and off stage.
Great report! I agree, they should open for DT or Opeth or someone like that.  They're one of my favorite bands, so it's sad to hear of such small turnouts.  It must have been amazing for you to be right in front of Daniel though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 03, 2022, 10:17:43 AM
https://youtu.be/bn1EDg9vOKs

The whole TPE show is up here.  It's dope AF.  Don't know if they've ever done some of these songs before all the way through (like Her Voices, Dedication, King of Loss).  Daniel is sounding as good as ever vocally and the keyboardist is awesome, I love how he's triggering the extra sounds on the album like the slide guitar in In the Flesh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on June 03, 2022, 01:03:13 PM
https://youtu.be/bn1EDg9vOKs

The whole TPE show is up here.  It's dope AF.  Don't know if they've ever done some of these songs before all the way through (like Her Voices, Dedication, King of Loss).  Daniel is sounding as good as ever vocally and the keyboardist is awesome, I love how he's triggering the extra sounds on the album like the slide guitar in In the Flesh.
Thanks for posting.  Just watched some of this and you're not kidding, sounds awesome!  I so wish they were more popular and could tour this album mixed with some new material - sort of like DT touring SFAM and DOT.  Oh well..
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2022, 02:06:49 PM
Ah Kenji's video! I was a couple rows behind him watching him film it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Watching the vid now.

Dude's still can't hit Used chorus vocals haha. Its all good. One day they'll get it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 03, 2022, 03:08:59 PM
Damn that King of Loss solo hits different finally seeing it played live
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on June 03, 2022, 03:17:48 PM
I watched most of it and thought it was pretty awesome.  Especially considering they haven't played a lot of these songs since who know's when.  I think they should ask the keyboard player to be a permanent member as well.  He was great and has the energy to match Daniel and Johan's energy.  No offense to the other Daniel, but I think this guy's a better fit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2022, 04:04:23 PM
Vikram is very solid. He played with Redemption a few years ago here at progpower as well and just killed it. Not just with his playing but he's got about as good of stage presence as you can get for a keyboardist. Seems like a nice dude too from the couple times I've met him here.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on June 04, 2022, 07:08:12 AM
Vikram was super friendly during Cruise to the Edge. Any time somebody posted in the CttE Facebook group sharing either pictures or praise for a PoS performance he would be in the comments thanking them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 04, 2022, 09:30:25 AM
He's awesome but there are moments when I feel like he's overplaying a bit in the TPE gig and throwing in flashy stuff that was never really part of the PoS vocabulary.  If he became full time I'd wanna see that reigned in a bit personally.  But, super nice guy bringing tons of energy for sure.  Maybe they could keep him and have D2 fill the empty bass position...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on June 04, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
He's awesome but there are moments when I feel like he's overplaying a bit in the TPE gig and throwing in flashy stuff that was never really part of the PoS vocabulary.  If he became full time I'd wanna see that reigned in a bit personally.  But, super nice guy bringing tons of energy for sure.  Maybe they could keep him and have D2 fill the empty bass position...
That sounds like a perfect idea to me (and completely logical as well).  Hey DG, your fans have spoken (well two of them anyway) LOL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pettor on July 05, 2022, 02:36:18 AM
Damn, seeing The Perfect Element live must be something special. Just quickly skipped through and it sounds daaaamn good. The keyboard guy is awesome! 🤘 I hate how POS usually manages to skip Sweden haha.

Her Voices is one of my favorite songs and it sounded amazing here!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 05, 2022, 03:14:11 AM
Was at the DC show.  I had the prime spot right in front of Daniel, which really wasn't that hard to get because the venue was less than half full.  Kind of sad to see that the turnout is so low.  I'm still wondering why they've never toured as a support act in the U.S. (as far as I can remember).  It seems like they went straight to headline shows but never built the audience up. 

Anyway the show was amazing.  I honestly neither noticed nor cared about the lack of bass player, except in the intro of Icon when that bass solo came through the PA lol.  I was surprised that Daniel's singing was impeccable and he was hitting all the high notes from TPE material without issue.  After seeing some clips of recent years I though he couldn't do that anymore but at least tonight he 100% could.  I also gotta say that the new stuff rocks harder on stage and when they busted out The Perfect Element it actually sounded kind of antique.  Leo sang that "I lost the will" moment in On a Tuesday which was a really big moment. 

Daniel didn't come out after the show unfortunately but I had lovely conversations with Vikram, Leo, and Johan.  All unbelievably nice people, an excellent lineup on and off stage.
Great report! I agree, they should open for DT or Opeth or someone like that.  They're one of my favorite bands, so it's sad to hear of such small turnouts.  It must have been amazing for you to be right in front of Daniel though.
Pain Of Salvation did open for DT already, in 2002, during the first European leg of the 6D tour (and the only one of the tour to actually have carried an opening act, all the others didn't anymore, at least in Europe), which btw was the second time I saw DT.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 05, 2022, 11:59:30 AM
Damn, seeing The Perfect Element live must be something special. Just quickly skipped through and it sounds daaaamn good. The keyboard guy is awesome! 🤘 I hate how POS usually manages to skip Sweden haha.

Her Voices is one of my favorite songs and it sounded amazing here!

When preparing for ProgPower I was listening to The Perfect Element, pretty much for the first time. I came to love Her Voices and loved it live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on July 05, 2022, 01:36:21 PM
Was at the DC show.  I had the prime spot right in front of Daniel, which really wasn't that hard to get because the venue was less than half full.  Kind of sad to see that the turnout is so low.  I'm still wondering why they've never toured as a support act in the U.S. (as far as I can remember).  It seems like they went straight to headline shows but never built the audience up. 

Anyway the show was amazing.  I honestly neither noticed nor cared about the lack of bass player, except in the intro of Icon when that bass solo came through the PA lol.  I was surprised that Daniel's singing was impeccable and he was hitting all the high notes from TPE material without issue.  After seeing some clips of recent years I though he couldn't do that anymore but at least tonight he 100% could.  I also gotta say that the new stuff rocks harder on stage and when they busted out The Perfect Element it actually sounded kind of antique.  Leo sang that "I lost the will" moment in On a Tuesday which was a really big moment. 

Daniel didn't come out after the show unfortunately but I had lovely conversations with Vikram, Leo, and Johan.  All unbelievably nice people, an excellent lineup on and off stage.
Great report! I agree, they should open for DT or Opeth or someone like that.  They're one of my favorite bands, so it's sad to hear of such small turnouts.  It must have been amazing for you to be right in front of Daniel though.
Pain Of Salvation did open for DT already, in 2002, during the first European leg of the 6D tour (and the only one of the tour to actually have carried an opening act, all the others didn't anymore, at least in Europe), which btw was the second time I saw DT.
I know, but that was 20 years ago.  I was thinking more along the lines of opening for them on a US tour.  To get them some much needed exposure here in North America.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on July 06, 2022, 08:09:32 AM
Remember that PoS, more specifically Daniel, refused to tour the US during the George W. Bush days I believe....and then he got really really sick for a year or two. All the momentum the band had up to that point in the US quickly faded. Now they are back in the US and they still make money, otherwise, they wouldn't have returned after their US headlining show prior to Covid (I caught them in Dallas at an outdoor venue and it was fucking freezing, turnout was less compared to what I saw in this years tour pictures).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on July 06, 2022, 02:34:27 PM
Remember that PoS, more specifically Daniel, refused to tour the US during the George W. Bush days I believe....and then he got really really sick for a year or two. All the momentum the band had up to that point in the US quickly faded. Now they are back in the US and they still make money, otherwise, they wouldn't have returned after their US headlining show prior to Covid (I caught them in Dallas at an outdoor venue and it was fucking freezing, turnout was less compared to what I saw in this years tour pictures).
You're right - I forgot he refused to enter the US LOL.  Well obvioulsy that's no longer the case.  So I'm calling for a 2nd North American leg of the View From a Top of The World tour, with special guests Pain of Salvation.  I think this would be a win win for both bands!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on November 28, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Daniel posted on Facebook a few days ago (and I'm paraphrasing) that he just wasted 20 mins scrolling down through Facebook and it was all nonsense he didn't see anything that interested him.  So I replied and said I basically just did the same thing (I did) and that I can't wait for the new album.  He replied to me and said I might have to wait as he hasn't touched it in months.  I replied and just said I will patiently wait then, didn't ask why.  But now I'm wondering what the delay is - label related, or maybe he's just not inspired now?  Anyway, just wanted to update any of you POS fans on here with this info.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on November 29, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
He could be feeling like a Panther, an animal which, to the best of my knowledge, is unable to play guitar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 21, 2023, 07:49:46 PM
So Daniel posted a pic of the two Johanns saying they’re gonna make new music together. And I am super pumped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 22, 2023, 07:15:18 AM
Niiice!! Leo is great, but I miss a lot Johan's drumming in PoS music (I  know they are recording now as a different project). I think Johan added more of his own style than Leo in PoS music. Just listen how Leo's drumming is similar to the drums played by Daniel in the In the Passing Light of Day demos.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on January 22, 2023, 08:04:15 AM
ITPOL, sure, but I think Leo really came into his own on Panther. Not only what he plays but all the different approaches and sounds. I had to get used to his main snare sound on the album, but eventually it really gels with the music on that album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2023, 02:55:55 PM
So Daniel posted a pic of the two Johanns saying they’re gonna make new music together. And I am super pumped.

This technically could still mean POS.  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 23, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Niiice!! Leo is great, but I miss a lot Johan's drumming in PoS music (I  know they are recording now as a different project). I think Johan added more of his own style than Leo in PoS music. Just listen how Leo's drumming is similar to the drums played by Daniel in the In the Passing Light of Day demos.
Did he say this is a new project - or just old friends jamming together having fun?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2023, 11:01:49 AM
He said new heavy music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 23, 2023, 11:12:46 AM
He said new heavy music.
I'm down for that.  I wonder what's going on with the new POS album though - it's been in the works for a long time now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obelix5150 on March 17, 2023, 07:08:27 AM
Vikram Shankar here, just wanted to come in real quick and thank everyone for their kind words re: the Pain of Salvation gigs last year. It was beyond surreal to play with the guys for a month, including the historic Perfect Element set.

He's awesome but there are moments when I feel like he's overplaying a bit in the TPE gig and throwing in flashy stuff that was never really part of the PoS vocabulary.  If he became full time I'd wanna see that reigned in a bit personally.  But, super nice guy bringing tons of energy for sure.  Maybe they could keep him and have D2 fill the empty bass position...
Appreciate the honesty! When prepping for the TPE gig I asked Daniel what his approach to that side of things was, as well as freedom to improv and be creative, and he was open to a degree of creative freedom, and so for certain parts of the set, like some of the "jammy" parts of In The Flesh, I did let loose a little bit. Perhaps a bit much, in hindsight. I tend to get fully immersed in the energy and spirit of the songs and in the spirit of that, sometimes things happen that you don't foresee. I guess that's the joy of true live performance.   ;D For the vast majority of the TPE gig I did try to view it as a sort of "historical" event and be as faithful to the original recording as possible, spending time researching the original equipment and patches used, and trying to use splits and layers and patch programming to execute live things that ordinarily would have either been ignored or relegated to back track, like the string quartet parts. I apologize if anything I did in that set was a bit much, but it was out of love, I promise  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 17, 2023, 09:25:27 AM
Greetings Vikram! I really enjoyed your contributions, and both of the shows I was lucky enough to attend (Charlotte and PPUSA) were among my favorites in a long time. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 17, 2023, 06:04:40 PM
Vikram Shankar here, just wanted to come in real quick and thank everyone for their kind words re: the Pain of Salvation gigs last year. It was beyond surreal to play with the guys for a month, including the historic Perfect Element set.

He's awesome but there are moments when I feel like he's overplaying a bit in the TPE gig and throwing in flashy stuff that was never really part of the PoS vocabulary.  If he became full time I'd wanna see that reigned in a bit personally.  But, super nice guy bringing tons of energy for sure.  Maybe they could keep him and have D2 fill the empty bass position...
Appreciate the honesty! When prepping for the TPE gig I asked Daniel what his approach to that side of things was, as well as freedom to improv and be creative, and he was open to a degree of creative freedom, and so for certain parts of the set, like some of the "jammy" parts of In The Flesh, I did let loose a little bit. Perhaps a bit much, in hindsight. I tend to get fully immersed in the energy and spirit of the songs and in the spirit of that, sometimes things happen that you don't foresee. I guess that's the joy of true live performance.   ;D For the vast majority of the TPE gig I did try to view it as a sort of "historical" event and be as faithful to the original recording as possible, spending time researching the original equipment and patches used, and trying to use splits and layers and patch programming to execute live things that ordinarily would have either been ignored or relegated to back track, like the string quartet parts. I apologize if anything I did in that set was a bit much, but it was out of love, I promise  :heart
Don't apologize for anything Vikram you were awesome!  IMO it really added to the "live" feel of the show and hey, you had Daniel's approval so all's good.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on March 17, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
Vikram, I'm still trying to recover from that second set you guys played on CttE last year :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 18, 2023, 02:56:41 PM
Hey everyone! Just had to jump in and give this thread a bump because Pain of Salvation is seriously one of my absolute favorite bands ever. Their mix of progressive metal and rock, combined with their deep and meaningful lyrics, just blows me away.

I can't help but adore Pain of Salvation for their knack of crafting songs that are not just musically rich but also emotionally charged. It's like they take you on this incredible rollercoaster ride of feelings and thoughts with each album.

Now, if I had to pick, my top two go-to albums would hands down be "Remedy Lane" and "The Perfect Element" "Remedy Lane" dives deep into human emotions and relationships, hitting you right in the feels, while "The Perfect Element, Part I" is like a musical tale that grips you from start to finish. These albums have left such a mark on me!

If you haven't given them a listen yet, trust me, you're missing out on something incredible!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 18, 2023, 07:21:15 PM
Hey everyone! Just had to jump in and give this thread a bump because Pain of Salvation is seriously one of my absolute favorite bands ever. Their mix of progressive metal and rock, combined with their deep and meaningful lyrics, just blows me away.

I can't help but adore Pain of Salvation for their knack of crafting songs that are not just musically rich but also emotionally charged. It's like they take you on this incredible rollercoaster ride of feelings and thoughts with each album.

Now, if I had to pick, my top two go-to albums would hands down be "Remedy Lane" and "The Perfect Element" "Remedy Lane" dives deep into human emotions and relationships, hitting you right in the feels, while "The Perfect Element, Part I" is like a musical tale that grips you from start to finish. These albums have left such a mark on me!

If you haven't given them a listen yet, trust me, you're missing out on something incredible!
Two of my all-time favorite albums by anyone. Incredible works of art!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 18, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
Hey everyone! Just had to jump in and give this thread a bump because Pain of Salvation is seriously one of my absolute favorite bands ever. Their mix of progressive metal and rock, combined with their deep and meaningful lyrics, just blows me away.

I can't help but adore Pain of Salvation for their knack of crafting songs that are not just musically rich but also emotionally charged. It's like they take you on this incredible rollercoaster ride of feelings and thoughts with each album.

Now, if I had to pick, my top two go-to albums would hands down be "Remedy Lane" and "The Perfect Element" "Remedy Lane" dives deep into human emotions and relationships, hitting you right in the feels, while "The Perfect Element, Part I" is like a musical tale that grips you from start to finish. These albums have left such a mark on me!

If you haven't given them a listen yet, trust me, you're missing out on something incredible!

You’re pretty much preaching to the choir on this forum. More than a few of us were screaming fan boys when those albums were first released.  I remember that a lot of us really liked BE as well, but it seems like wheels started to fall off with Scarsick…which I personally still think is very good, but I know it was extremely controversial both musically and socially.

But after that, even I started to wonder if there was any gas left in the tank. The Road Salt albums had some brilliant moments, but were pretty uneven on the whole (much like Metallica’s Load albums, you probably could have made a single disc great album by trimming the fat a bit) and while Passing Light was a big improvement, and was obviously an extremely personal album, I still felt there were a couple of duds that held it back from being a full “return to glory”.   But it was enough of an improvement that I picked up Panther right away.  With Panther, I could respect that he was doing something really different, it just wasn’t resonating with me.

Now looking back on the entire catalog, I realize that I only ever reach for the first 4 albums (and BE when I’m feeling more adventurous) and I just don’t see them as a first day buy anymore. Daniel would have to really outdo himself before I would renew my interest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 18, 2023, 11:16:05 PM
Oh, I totally get where you're coming from! Those early Pain of Salvation albums were like pure gold, although I would include "BE" as well. "Scarsick" was a turning point, I kinda liked it myself, but I get that it raised some eyebrows and it's definitely not at the same level.

I totally agree with your take on the "Road Salt" albums - some real gems, but definitely a bit uneven. Together they have one great album hidden within but with a lot of filler. "In the Passing Light of Day," took a while to grow on me but it's definitely a bit of a return to firm, probably my favourite since BE. And about "Panther," I respect the different direction they took, even though it didn't totally click for me either. Even though they haven't hit the same heights as e.g."Remedy Lane" in a long time, I'm still looking forward to see what they do next

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 19, 2023, 04:45:46 AM
Remedy Lane to me is still their masterpiece, one of my top ten albums of all time. I dig TPE but not quite to the same level. I feel like I'm in the minority on BE, I can't stand it. Every few years I try to revisit it and have the same reaction. I can definitely get behind the Road Salts being PoS's Load/Reload, just like the latter two, I find most of the really strong material to be on Road Salt 1 and then a couple gems on the second album. ItPLoD is maybe my second favorite Pain of Salvation album, I love how aggressive and emotionally raw it is. I never quite vibed with the different direction of Panther, but some of those songs popped more in a live setting.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 19, 2023, 08:58:12 AM
You are definitely not alone regarding BE. I wouldn't say that I can't stand it but it's at the bottom in my ranking.

Very ambitious, maybe overambitious and therefore kind of pretentious. And between all those ideas Daniel wanted to cram into that record, he forgot to write interesting songs.

The Perfect Element is where it's at for me, closely followed by Remedy Lane. Their debut, Entropia is also a great record.

Ranking:
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
In The Passing Light Of Day
Road Salt 1
Scarsick
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
Panther
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2023, 09:04:43 AM
You are definitely not alone regarding BE. I wouldn't say that I can't stand it but it's at the bottom in my ranking.

Very ambitious, maybe overambitious and therefore kind of pretentious. And between all those ideas Daniel wanted to cram into that record, he forgot to write interesting songs.

The Perfect Element is where it's at for me, closely followed by Remedy Lane. Their debut, Entropia is also a great record.

Ranking:
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
In The Passing Light Of Day
Road Salt 1
Scarsick
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
Panther
BE

But that’s just it. I don’t think it’s supposed to be an album of “songs”.  It’s 60 minutes of performance art.  You just have to take your head to a different place.  That’s why I rarely (if ever) listen to only parts of that album. It really only works as a full one hour performance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 19, 2023, 10:15:20 AM
You are probably right, but when I listen to it, I want to listen to music and not performance art.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 19, 2023, 11:05:09 AM
I actually made a Tiermaker for the Pain of Salvation Album on my YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyWah6Q6--0) a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 19, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
BE is my favorite and it's not even up for debate but it is definitely a bit of a weird one. I recently made a playlist for road trips in the car and I wanted to have a huge list of all bands I like, maybe 10 songs from each and just put it on shuffle. As I was picking my PoS songs, I think the only one I picked from BE was Iter Impius. As much as I love the album, it's definitely a "sit down and experience the full ride" album. For me it's hard to pick out individual songs because a lot of the greatness comes from the songs complimenting each other. And so I can fully understand people not liking the album that much, because it doesn't have those instantly recognizable standout songs, but for me there's a vibe or mood to the album that's just untouched by any of their other albums.

The crazy part is I don't even really pay that close attention to the concept of BE. I'm sure Daniel is full of himself and maybe reading more into the lyrics would harm my appreciation for it. But I feel like every time I get to Vocari Dei (the instrumental song with the samples of people talking to god) I get a little choked up. I'm not religious myself but something about those people calling out for god with their prayers, it hits me on an emotional level. I think most people can relate to that desperation or loneliness you might feel sometimes in your life of everything going against you, and struggling to find the strength to carry on. Even though Vocari Dei is technically a throw away intermission type song between the proper songs, it hits me harder than a lot of the songs on their other albums.

And I like The Perfect Element a lot, I think Remedy Lane is great, Entropia is great, One Hour is good, the others a bit mixed. But even though TPE and RL are mostly fantastic with few low points, I never think about either of those albums in the way I think about BE - as albums that have that 'special' something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2023, 02:28:30 PM
Vocari Dei is FAR from a throwaway intermission piece. It is a highlight of musical and emotional beauty, and a cornerstone of the album’s theme.

I can’t listen to it without getting choked up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 19, 2023, 02:31:03 PM
Vocari Dei is FAR from a throwaway intermission piece. It is a highlight of musical and emotional beauty, and a cornerstone of the album’s theme.

I can’t listen to it without getting choked up.

Oh I agree! I just meant in a bigger picture I think it's a song a lot of people probably don't pay attention to and I even felt the need to add the description of which song it is on the album. I feel like BE has a couple songs like that, like the instrumental Pluvius Aestivus (the intro always reminds me of The X-files). Another great song that adds a lot of mood and atmosphere to the album, but not necessarily a song on itself that makes you go "wow this is one of their best".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 19, 2023, 02:59:05 PM
I can totally understand what you mean, but Vocari Dei never did grab me for whatever reason and then it's just an interlude between the two longest songs, which aren't really that great. Especially Diffidentia feels like the same guitar riff played for almost seven minutes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 19, 2023, 03:33:38 PM
I can totally understand what you mean, but Vocari Dei never did grab me for whatever reason and then it's just an interlude between the two longest songs, which aren't really that great. Especially Diffidentia feels like the same guitar riff played for almost seven minutes.

Diffidentia slaps really hard IMO. Repetition isn't a problem if what's being repeated is awesome!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: me7 on August 19, 2023, 03:34:46 PM
I love BE, but I cannot remember any track titles from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 19, 2023, 03:37:49 PM
I can totally understand what you mean, but Vocari Dei never did grab me for whatever reason and then it's just an interlude between the two longest songs, which aren't really that great. Especially Diffidentia feels like the same guitar riff played for almost seven minutes.

Diffidentia slaps really hard IMO. Repetition isn't a problem if what's being repeated is awesome!

I think it's obvious why you rank it first and I rank it last. If we discusss the rest of the songs, we would have completey opposite opinions on them also.  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 19, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
I appreciate and respect BE, but its not an album I listen to often. I have to be in the right mood, but I will say that Iter Impius is one of my favorite PoS songs for sure.

Its a challenging album, but a powerful one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 19, 2023, 05:43:39 PM
Of all the bands from the Heyday of progressive metal in the late '90s / early 2000s, POS are the hardest to go back to. The subject material that they write about just demands so much out of you, plus Daniel is not the easiest guy to like since he kind of has a attitude of superiority about him.

Coming from a traditional conservative home and a religious operating, I felt really weird about Scarsick. Even though I was no longer blind about the role that America played in the world, it felt weird to feel called out so personally the way that album did especially when Daniel decided to boycott the United States on tour.

I did come to terms with the album and grew to like it a lot, but the road salts never really did much for me, nor have the latest two. I did not like Panther at all, in fact I thought it was pretty bad. I did go back and listen to remedy Lane recently though, and I thought it was great, if not for the lyrics being even heavier and more challenging than I had initially remembered.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Blind_FaithX on August 19, 2023, 06:06:14 PM
Hey everyone! Just had to jump in and give this thread a bump because Pain of Salvation is seriously one of my absolute favorite bands ever. Their mix of progressive metal and rock, combined with their deep and meaningful lyrics, just blows me away.

I can't help but adore Pain of Salvation for their knack of crafting songs that are not just musically rich but also emotionally charged. It's like they take you on this incredible rollercoaster ride of feelings and thoughts with each album.

Now, if I had to pick, my top two go-to albums would hands down be "Remedy Lane" and "The Perfect Element" "Remedy Lane" dives deep into human emotions and relationships, hitting you right in the feels, while "The Perfect Element, Part I" is like a musical tale that grips you from start to finish. These albums have left such a mark on me!

If you haven't given them a listen yet, trust me, you're missing out on something incredible!

You’re pretty much preaching to the choir on this forum. More than a few of us were screaming fan boys when those albums were first released.  I remember that a lot of us really liked BE as well, but it seems like wheels started to fall off with Scarsick…which I personally still think is very good, but I know it was extremely controversial both musically and socially.

But after that, even I started to wonder if there was any gas left in the tank. The Road Salt albums had some brilliant moments, but were pretty uneven on the whole (much like Metallica’s Load albums, you probably could have made a single disc great album by trimming the fat a bit) and while Passing Light was a big improvement, and was obviously an extremely personal album, I still felt there were a couple of duds that held it back from being a full “return to glory”.   But it was enough of an improvement that I picked up Panther right away.  With Panther, I could respect that he was doing something really different, it just wasn’t resonating with me.

Now looking back on the entire catalog, I realize that I only ever reach for the first 4 albums (and BE when I’m feeling more adventurous) and I just don’t see them as a first day buy anymore. Daniel would have to really outdo himself before I would renew my interest.

This for me, pretty much exactly this.

PoS can either do the best or the worst in my book. I have two of their albums in my top 5 albums of all time. Remedy lane is just the best album ever made for me. Buy some of their songs are also horrible IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on August 19, 2023, 11:57:42 PM
While I was happy to see Daniel return to progressive metal on Passing, that whole record just didn’t really resonate with me aside from a few tracks.

Panther on the other hand, I didn’t expect to like as much as I do. This late in their career and I believe it’s one of their most consistent albums. It’s a good listen. It tries to do something new in both musical direction and sound and for me it works. Accelerator and Icon are absolutely killer IMO.

That said, nothing touches The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane. BE I loved when it came out but is maybe a bit *too* ambitious. Not all of it is that enjoyable IMO. Scarsick is OK, I like the heavier more modern approach but it misses something. The Road Salts I return to from time to time. Some good songs on there but overall a mixed bag. Lots of uninspired blues riffs and bad production.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 20, 2023, 01:47:57 AM
BE is my favorite and it's not even up for debate but it is definitely a bit of a weird one. I recently made a playlist for road trips in the car and I wanted to have a huge list of all bands I like, maybe 10 songs from each and just put it on shuffle. As I was picking my PoS songs, I think the only one I picked from BE was Iter Impius. As much as I love the album, it's definitely a "sit down and experience the full ride" album. For me it's hard to pick out individual songs because a lot of the greatness comes from the songs complimenting each other. And so I can fully understand people not liking the album that much, because it doesn't have those instantly recognizable standout songs, but for me there's a vibe or mood to the album that's just untouched by any of their other albums.

The crazy part is I don't even really pay that close attention to the concept of BE. I'm sure Daniel is full of himself and maybe reading more into the lyrics would harm my appreciation for it. But I feel like every time I get to Vocari Dei (the instrumental song with the samples of people talking to god) I get a little choked up. I'm not religious myself but something about those people calling out for god with their prayers, it hits me on an emotional level. I think most people can relate to that desperation or loneliness you might feel sometimes in your life of everything going against you, and struggling to find the strength to carry on. Even though Vocari Dei is technically a throw away intermission type song between the proper songs, it hits me harder than a lot of the songs on their other albums.

And I like The Perfect Element a lot, I think Remedy Lane is great, Entropia is great, One Hour is good, the others a bit mixed. But even though TPE and RL are mostly fantastic with few low points, I never think about either of those albums in the way I think about BE - as albums that have that 'special' something.

I almost completely share the sentiment about 'BE'. It's an amazing concept, it's music fits the concept, and it does have that 'special' something.

Vocari Dei is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard. The music sounds like it represents Nature, the beauty of life you can say. The messages to "God" are just our struggles of being human, how we are trying to reconnect with that beauty of life. I consider it one of my all time favorite songs for that reason. Then, contrast that with what comes next.

'Be' is a musical book for me. And I love concept albums that are like that.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 20, 2023, 01:49:05 PM
While I was happy to see Daniel return to progressive metal on Passing, that whole record just didn’t really resonate with me aside from a few tracks.

Panther on the other hand, I didn’t expect to like as much as I do. This late in their career and I believe it’s one of their most consistent albums. It’s a good listen. It tries to do something new in both musical direction and sound and for me it works. Accelerator and Icon are absolutely killer IMO.

That said, nothing touches The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane. BE I loved when it came out but is maybe a bit *too* ambitious. Not all of it is that enjoyable IMO. Scarsick is OK, I like the heavier more modern approach but it misses something. The Road Salts I return to from time to time. Some good songs on there but overall a mixed bag. Lots of uninspired blues riffs and bad production.
Good post PixelDream!  This is pretty much me exactly! - except I'd say it sounds like I'm a little higher on Passing Light than you are.  TPE and Remedy Lane are both in my top 10 albums of all-time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2023, 07:19:50 AM
I don't like rankings other than top and bottom, but I guess mine would look like this (see if you can notice when I cheated a bit).

1. TPE
2. RL
3. BE
4. ITPLOD/Panther/Entropia/OHBTCL
5. Scarsick
6. RS1 and RS2

BE is a complicated thing. Yes, it is definitely an album best experienced as a whole and not a collection of songs. And I love it. However, I am torn between the live and studio versions. Overall, I'd say I prefer the live version. There's a rawness and ambience that is amazing, but the studio version has a few changes that really help, while the live version has some stuff they didn't do on the studio version. Having Johan sing the chorus on Lilium Cruentus, Johan's live solo on Iter Impius, the single layered vocals on Omni, etc. I wish I could have the original files and compile my own ideal mix, very frustrating.

And I think the last two albums were incredible. A few duds, but overall a very original and unique set of songs, even if Panther is a bit on the egotistical side of things lyrically.

Also very confused by their recent touring. I went to see them when they came to America last. Headlining a tour in America? Why? They're not nearly big enough to justify that. Crowds were tiny. Also the entire setlist minus 1 song was just the last 2 albums. Very strange stuff.

If they want to tour America, do a comprehensive set and open for a much bigger band whose audience you can be exposed to.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 21, 2023, 01:13:48 PM
I don't like rankings other than top and bottom, but I guess mine would look like this (see if you can notice when I cheated a bit).

1. TPE
2. RL
3. BE
4. ITPLOD/Panther/Entropia/OHBTCL
5. Scarsick
6. RS1 and RS2

BE is a complicated thing. Yes, it is definitely an album best experienced as a whole and not a collection of songs. And I love it. However, I am torn between the live and studio versions. Overall, I'd say I prefer the live version. There's a rawness and ambience that is amazing, but the studio version has a few changes that really help, while the live version has some stuff they didn't do on the studio version. Having Johan sing the chorus on Lilium Cruentus, Johan's live solo on Iter Impius, the single layered vocals on Omni, etc. I wish I could have the original files and compile my own ideal mix, very frustrating.

And I think the last two albums were incredible. A few duds, but overall a very original and unique set of songs, even if Panther is a bit on the egotistical side of things lyrically.

Also very confused by their recent touring. I went to see them when they came to America last. Headlining a tour in America? Why? They're not nearly big enough to justify that. Crowds were tiny. Also the entire setlist minus 1 song was just the last 2 albums. Very strange stuff.

If they want to tour America, do a comprehensive set and open for a much bigger band whose audience you can be exposed to.
It would be great if they could open for DT, or be on the next Dreamsonic tour.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2023, 01:15:44 PM
I don't like rankings other than top and bottom, but I guess mine would look like this (see if you can notice when I cheated a bit).

1. TPE
2. RL
3. BE
4. ITPLOD/Panther/Entropia/OHBTCL
5. Scarsick
6. RS1 and RS2

BE is a complicated thing. Yes, it is definitely an album best experienced as a whole and not a collection of songs. And I love it. However, I am torn between the live and studio versions. Overall, I'd say I prefer the live version. There's a rawness and ambience that is amazing, but the studio version has a few changes that really help, while the live version has some stuff they didn't do on the studio version. Having Johan sing the chorus on Lilium Cruentus, Johan's live solo on Iter Impius, the single layered vocals on Omni, etc. I wish I could have the original files and compile my own ideal mix, very frustrating.

And I think the last two albums were incredible. A few duds, but overall a very original and unique set of songs, even if Panther is a bit on the egotistical side of things lyrically.

Also very confused by their recent touring. I went to see them when they came to America last. Headlining a tour in America? Why? They're not nearly big enough to justify that. Crowds were tiny. Also the entire setlist minus 1 song was just the last 2 albums. Very strange stuff.

If they want to tour America, do a comprehensive set and open for a much bigger band whose audience you can be exposed to.
It would be great if they could open for DT, or be on the next Dreamsonic tour.

Might be the only thing to get me to a DT show these days. Would be cool to see DG join them something, preferably not just TSCO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 21, 2023, 01:23:36 PM
Daniel's probably too cool to play as an opener for an ageing prog-band
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 21, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
Well they've opened for DT before, but that was when MP was in the band, who's apparently good friends with Daniel.  How about opening for Opeth?  Two Swedish bands. Would be a cool show for sure!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 21, 2023, 02:38:45 PM
Guess I'll be have to revisit Be. Probably spun it like 3 times and shelved it away.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 21, 2023, 04:34:50 PM
Guess I'll be have to revisit Be. Probably spun it like 3 times and shelved it away.

It’s not for everyone. But damn…

I mean, I remember being a little taken aback that the entire first act only had one proper “song” in the first 4 tracks. And yet, it ends with the BEAUTIFUL Summer Rain which I cannot get enough of.

Ya, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 21, 2023, 04:43:34 PM
Guess I'll be have to revisit Be. Probably spun it like 3 times and shelved it away.

It’s not for everyone. But damn…

I mean, I remember being a little taken aback that the entire first act only had one proper “song” in the first 4 tracks. And yet, it ends with the BEAUTIFUL Summer Rain which I cannot get enough of.

Ya, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts.

That's why I want to give it another shot. I was (am?) a huge PoS fan at that time but loved their heavy stuff. Be was a massive disappointment. I'm like 20 yrs older now so I should be able to at least appreciate it more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 21, 2023, 05:53:26 PM
Opposite issue here. BE hit me about a year into my exploration of prog metal as a genre. I'd heard Scenes, Into the Electric Castle, Mindcrime, and was hungry for more. It was exactly what I wanted - a huge, ambitious, intelligent prog rock opera.

Contrast, it took a LONG time to like virtually any other PoS. It all just seemed to pale in comparison. Eventually, I learned to enjoy the previous 4 just fine.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 21, 2023, 11:58:44 PM
BE is up there among my favorite albums of all time ever since I heard it for the first time. That was back in 2003 at Lokomotivet in Eskilstuna.

Seeing this live and then having to wait for a year or soto hear it again was such a special thing. Still one of my favorite concerts ever too.

First time I saw P.O.S live was when they opened up for DT on the World Tourbulence tour. I have also seen them open up for Opeth for the Heritage tour. Both were very good pairings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 22, 2023, 12:06:12 AM
I also saw PoS open for DT.

But either they were really bad that night or I wasn't in the mood for them. I walked away severly unimpressed and I wasn't the only one.

If not for a friend of mine who hyped them to no end I wouldn't have given them another chance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 22, 2023, 12:19:07 AM
I guess it helped that I was already a fan when they opened for DT.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 22, 2023, 01:03:27 AM
They played a lot of Remedy Lane if I remember correctly. And while I now love that record, it took me some time to appreciate it.

I think a lot of their music isn't instantly grabbing so knowing nothing about their music and then seeing them live as openers wasn't the best thing to introduce them to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 22, 2023, 01:32:40 AM
Remedy Lane is the only album of theirs that I really love. There's something about that one that hits the spot for me that the others fail to do.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 30, 2023, 12:10:13 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 30, 2023, 01:07:15 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

I hate that I can't/suck at interpreting lyrics. My brain goes automatically to the music. Very interesting take. Have to revisit Panther with your interpretation in mind and focus on the lyrics.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 30, 2023, 01:15:11 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

I hate that I can't/suck at interpreting lyrics. My brain goes automatically to the music. Very interesting take. Have to revisit Panther with your interpretation in mind and focus on the lyrics.

i'm glad my interpretation resonated with you. diving into the lyrics can bring a whole new layer of depth to the music, so i hope you find some interesting insights when you revisit panther with that lens. sometimes the music and lyrics work together to create a powerful message. it's all about finding our own connections and interpretations, and that's the beauty of art. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 30, 2023, 01:20:39 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 30, 2023, 01:22:08 PM
Look, I might just be a dog in a dog's world, but I gotta be honest, 'Panther' didn't quite hit the mark for me. I know some are super hyped about it, but it felt like a bit of a departure from what I've loved about their earlir stuff. The thing is, even though their lyrics are usually on point, this time around, the music itself felt uninteresting to me. And no amount of good lyrics can quite fix that, in my humble opinion.

Woof, PMSummer
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2023, 01:24:10 PM
I really loved Panther, but a LOT of the lyrics turn me off. Especially the themes ProgMaster seems to relate to. The idea of being the special person in a world of inferior beings or whatever. Daniel's ego seemed a bit on overdrive for a lot of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 30, 2023, 01:26:42 PM
I really loved Panther, but a LOT of the lyrics turn me off. Especially the themes ProgMaster seems to relate to. The idea of being the special person in a world of inferior beings or whatever. Daniel's ego seemed a bit on overdrive for a lot of it.

yeah, totally get where you're coming from. panther had some seriously killer tunes, no doubt about that. the musicality and the way they crafted the sound was top-notch. but i gotta agree, the lyrics were a bit of a letdown for me too. progmaster's themes and the whole "special person in a world of inferior beings" vibe felt kinda cringeworthy, honestly. like, i'm all for confidence and all, but there's a line, you know? daniel's ego did seem to be on overdrive for a good chunk of the album. it's like he was trying too hard to assert his dominance or whatever, and it just came off as a bit excessive. i mean, the dude's talented, no doubt about it, but there's something off-putting about lyrics that seem to put others down just to boost yourself up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 30, 2023, 01:28:40 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:

just curious, is there something about my post that didn't sit well with you? i shared something pretty personal about my journey and how pain of salvation's music has played a significant role. i'm all for diverse opinions and discussions, so if you're up for it, i'd love to hear your thoughts beyond just an emoji. no hard feelings, just genuinely curious to understand your perspective. :coolio

I really loved Panther, but a LOT of the lyrics turn me off. Especially the themes ProgMaster seems to relate to. The idea of being the special person in a world of inferior beings or whatever. Daniel's ego seemed a bit on overdrive for a lot of it.

thanks for sharing your perspective on panther. it's interesting how music can resonate differently with each of us. i get what you're saying about the themes, and while some lyrics might come off a certain way, for me, it's more about the sense of self-discovery and embracing individuality that i find in the album. it's not about being SUPERIOR - it's about being DIFFERENT and being proud, rather than ashamed, of it. i tried to make that clear by expressing there is no inherent failing in being one of the "dogs". that's just not me.

anyway. we all connect with music in our own way, and that's what makes it so diverse and meaningful. pain of salvation's music definitely sparks a range of interpretations, and that's part of the beauty of their art. i'm glad we can have a discussion about it, even if our viewpoints might differ. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 30, 2023, 01:32:05 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:

just curious, is there something about my post that didn't sit well with you? i shared something pretty personal about my journey and how pain of salvation's music has played a significant role. i'm all for diverse opinions and discussions, so if you're up for it, i'd love to hear your thoughts beyond just an emoji. no hard feelings, just genuinely curious to understand your perspective. :coolio

 :facepalm:  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2023, 01:34:33 PM
That's probably not too helpful Skeever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 30, 2023, 01:39:28 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:

just curious, is there something about my post that didn't sit well with you? i shared something pretty personal about my journey and how pain of salvation's music has played a significant role. i'm all for diverse opinions and discussions, so if you're up for it, i'd love to hear your thoughts beyond just an emoji. no hard feelings, just genuinely curious to understand your perspective. :coolio

 :facepalm:  :facepalm: :facepalm:

seems like you're sticking to the emoji approach instead of putting thoughts into words. must be simpler that way, huh? if you ever decide to actually engage in a conversation, i'm all ears. but hey, i get it, sometimes typing out sentences can be a bit too much effort, we've all got busy lives. :chill

That's probably not too helpful Skeever.

it's all good man. maybe they're who dan was talking about. just feels bad to receive this treatment from an older member when i was just sharing my thoughts and trying to find my place here. c'est la vie, i'm not going to rise to the bait any further. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2023, 01:41:49 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:

just curious, is there something about my post that didn't sit well with you? i shared something pretty personal about my journey and how pain of salvation's music has played a significant role. i'm all for diverse opinions and discussions, so if you're up for it, i'd love to hear your thoughts beyond just an emoji. no hard feelings, just genuinely curious to understand your perspective. :coolio

I really loved Panther, but a LOT of the lyrics turn me off. Especially the themes ProgMaster seems to relate to. The idea of being the special person in a world of inferior beings or whatever. Daniel's ego seemed a bit on overdrive for a lot of it.

thanks for sharing your perspective on panther. it's interesting how music can resonate differently with each of us. i get what you're saying about the themes, and while some lyrics might come off a certain way, for me, it's more about the sense of self-discovery and embracing individuality that i find in the album. it's not about being SUPERIOR - it's about being DIFFERENT and being proud, rather than ashamed, of it. i tried to make that clear by expressing there is no inherent failing in being one of the "dogs". that's just not me.

anyway. we all connect with music in our own way, and that's what makes it so diverse and meaningful. pain of salvation's music definitely sparks a range of interpretations, and that's part of the beauty of their art. i'm glad we can have a discussion about it, even if our viewpoints might differ. :heart

That's cool. I think I'm also connecting the lyrics to songs like Accelerator and such which really does harp on the idea that Daniel (or the person) is special in a group of normals. Or a panther "trapped" in a dog's world. It heavlily...HEAVILY...implies superiority. I'm glad that's not the part you connected with then.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 30, 2023, 01:42:58 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

 :facepalm:

just curious, is there something about my post that didn't sit well with you? i shared something pretty personal about my journey and how pain of salvation's music has played a significant role. i'm all for diverse opinions and discussions, so if you're up for it, i'd love to hear your thoughts beyond just an emoji. no hard feelings, just genuinely curious to understand your perspective. :coolio

I really loved Panther, but a LOT of the lyrics turn me off. Especially the themes ProgMaster seems to relate to. The idea of being the special person in a world of inferior beings or whatever. Daniel's ego seemed a bit on overdrive for a lot of it.

thanks for sharing your perspective on panther. it's interesting how music can resonate differently with each of us. i get what you're saying about the themes, and while some lyrics might come off a certain way, for me, it's more about the sense of self-discovery and embracing individuality that i find in the album. it's not about being SUPERIOR - it's about being DIFFERENT and being proud, rather than ashamed, of it. i tried to make that clear by expressing there is no inherent failing in being one of the "dogs". that's just not me.

anyway. we all connect with music in our own way, and that's what makes it so diverse and meaningful. pain of salvation's music definitely sparks a range of interpretations, and that's part of the beauty of their art. i'm glad we can have a discussion about it, even if our viewpoints might differ. :heart

That's cool. I think I'm also connecting the lyrics to songs like Accelerator and such which really does harp on the idea that Daniel (or the person) is special in a group of normals. Or a panther "trapped" in a dog's world. It heavlily...HEAVILY...implies superiority. I'm glad that's not the part you connected with then.

count me in company with you on this sentiment  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 30, 2023, 01:55:14 PM
Panthers do seem like a cooler animal than dogs to be honest, not very equivalent animals.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 30, 2023, 01:57:24 PM
Panthers do seem like a cooler animal than dogs to be honest, not very equivalent animals.

always been a "cat" guy myself!!  :millahhhh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2023, 02:19:38 PM
Panthers do seem like a cooler animal than dogs to be honest, not very equivalent animals.


SHUT YOUR DIRTY WHORE MOUTH!



Sorry....that was not kind. What I meant to say was..





SHUT YOUR DIRTY WHORE MOUTH!



Dammit, sorry. But yes, dogs are amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 30, 2023, 02:21:39 PM
I mean I like dogs too but I see multiple every day without thinking about it but you betcha the second I see a panther I'm telling all my mates about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
I mean I like dogs too but I see multiple every day without thinking about it but you betcha the second I see a panther I'm telling all my mates about it.

Alright, we cool then.

You don't have to shut your dirty whore mouth.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 30, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
the last time i saw a panther in person just left me kind of depressed, honestly. it was shortly after the album panther came out, so my thoughts on how i related to that trapped panther in the song were weighing heavily on my mind. i was at the zoo with my ex-wife and two of our children and ended up at the big cat exhibit and there was a panther there sleeping on a tree.

my family kept trying to bother it and wake it up and it made me a little sad and got me thinking. that panther at the zoo, confined in a world not meant for it, felt like a reflection of the song's theme. my daughter encouraged me to shout at it and because she's my daughter i did but in that moment i felt like one of the dogs. i'll be honest, it left me feeling a bit disgusted.

i'm not here to preach or be like a bleeding heart liberal or anything, but after that, i made a decision – i won't be going to the zoo again. my children were upset and my ex-wife told me i was being ridiculous (ever wonder why she's my ex?) but it's about staying true to my values.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Glasser on August 30, 2023, 07:05:35 PM
in this dog world, i've often felt like a panther trying to find my place. and you know what? i've come to realize that it's okay to be different, to be that panther in a sea of dogs. pain of salvation helped me finally put it into words and embrace it.

recently, i've been reflecting on my journey, and i can't help but draw parallels between my experiences and the dynamics in my family. people like my ex-wife, my mother, my oldest daughter, well, they're like the dogs, sticking to their routines and familiar paths. and that's alright – there's beauty in their simplicity and steadiness. but me? i'm that panther, the one who's always seeking something more, something different. i've embraced change, explored the depths of my emotions, and ventured into uncharted territories. it's not always easy being the panther, but it's where i find my authenticity and my true self.

pain of salvation's music has been my refuge, my companion in this journey of self-discovery. their songs resonate with the struggles of the panther – the longing, the questioning, and the yearning for something beyond the ordinary.

so, here's to embracing the panther within, and to finding our own paths in this dog world. may we all find the courage to be true to ourselves, no matter how unconventional it might seem. :metal

I hate that I can't/suck at interpreting lyrics. My brain goes automatically to the music. Very interesting take. Have to revisit Panther with your interpretation in mind and focus on the lyrics.

I've grown to love Panther. Concrete Lake is my fave. I actually got to spend sometime with POS at Prog Power USA. They stayed in the same hotel as I did. Very nice dudes. I have to dig out my Polaroids.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 31, 2023, 04:15:50 AM
I feel that the departure of Johan Langell really impacted this band. PoS compositions require a really tight drummer (in terms of style) to bring it together and Margarit just isn't it, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 31, 2023, 07:09:31 AM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 31, 2023, 07:50:03 AM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

Dude I can see it, an album about just wanting to fit in, have your own place with your own people who you mutually care for, love, and protect.

Honestly that would be the antithesis of a Daniel Gildenlow concept though lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2023, 07:51:44 AM
I hear the next album is called "YOU ALL JUST DONT GET ME! UGH!"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 31, 2023, 07:53:52 AM
I hear the next album is called "YOU ALL JUST DONT GET ME! UGH!"

 :lol :lol :lol

thank y'all for indulging my silly idea  :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 09:21:07 AM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

appreciate your creative take on the album concept, but it seems like you might be missing the point of "panther" and maybe even pain of salvation's style in general. the album's focus is more on exploring human emotions, struggles, and societal themes through metaphors, rather than literally embodying different animals' perspectives.

pain of salvation's approach often involves delving into complex and abstract ideas, and "panther" is no exception. while the "dog" concept you mentioned could be interesting, it doesn't quite align with the band's typical thematic exploration.

it's totally fine to have your own interpretations and preferences, but maybe pain of salvation's music might not resonate with the angle you're looking for. that's the beauty of art – it's subjective and can evoke different responses from different people.

keep on enjoying the music in your own way, and maybe explore other bands that delve into animal-themed concepts more directly. cheers!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 31, 2023, 11:04:29 AM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

appreciate your creative take on the album concept, but it seems like you might be missing the point of "panther" and maybe even pain of salvation's style in general. the album's focus is more on exploring human emotions, struggles, and societal themes through metaphors, rather than literally embodying different animals' perspectives.

pain of salvation's approach often involves delving into complex and abstract ideas, and "panther" is no exception. while the "dog" concept you mentioned could be interesting, it doesn't quite align with the band's typical thematic exploration.

it's totally fine to have your own interpretations and preferences, but maybe pain of salvation's music might not resonate with the angle you're looking for. that's the beauty of art – it's subjective and can evoke different responses from different people.

keep on enjoying the music in your own way, and maybe explore other bands that delve into animal-themed concepts more directly. cheers!

thanks for takin' the time (you can feel the waves coming on!) to share your thoughts on my take about the "panther" album. i get what you're saying about the album's focus on human emotions and all that metaphorical stuff. i guess i just saw it from a different angle, you know? like, sometimes music hits folks in ways that might not be exactly what the artist intended, and that's the beauty of it.

i agree that pain of salvation goes deep into complex ideas, and "panther" isn't any different. but i reckon my dog analogy was more around the vibe it gave me rather than literal animals. but i get where you're coming from – their style's more about abstract themes and societal stuff.

you're right – art's all about interpretation and feeling a connection, even if it is not the same as everyone else's. i'll keep on spinning their tunes, and yeah, maybe i'll check out other bands that fit that animal-themed bill more closely. thanks for the insights, mate. do you have any specific examples? i'd love to hear a few!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 12:28:16 PM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

appreciate your creative take on the album concept, but it seems like you might be missing the point of "panther" and maybe even pain of salvation's style in general. the album's focus is more on exploring human emotions, struggles, and societal themes through metaphors, rather than literally embodying different animals' perspectives.

pain of salvation's approach often involves delving into complex and abstract ideas, and "panther" is no exception. while the "dog" concept you mentioned could be interesting, it doesn't quite align with the band's typical thematic exploration.

it's totally fine to have your own interpretations and preferences, but maybe pain of salvation's music might not resonate with the angle you're looking for. that's the beauty of art – it's subjective and can evoke different responses from different people.

keep on enjoying the music in your own way, and maybe explore other bands that delve into animal-themed concepts more directly. cheers!

thanks for takin' the time (you can feel the waves coming on!) to share your thoughts on my take about the "panther" album. i get what you're saying about the album's focus on human emotions and all that metaphorical stuff. i guess i just saw it from a different angle, you know? like, sometimes music hits folks in ways that might not be exactly what the artist intended, and that's the beauty of it.

i agree that pain of salvation goes deep into complex ideas, and "panther" isn't any different. but i reckon my dog analogy was more around the vibe it gave me rather than literal animals. but i get where you're coming from – their style's more about abstract themes and societal stuff.

you're right – art's all about interpretation and feeling a connection, even if it is not the same as everyone else's. i'll keep on spinning their tunes, and yeah, maybe i'll check out other bands that fit that animal-themed bill more closely. thanks for the insights, mate. do you have any specific examples? i'd love to hear a few!!

thanks for being open to the discussion, mate. absolutely, music can resonate in all sorts of unexpected ways, and it's cool to see how different folks connect with it uniquely. i apologize if i got the wrong impression from your post - mentioning things like jungles gave me the impression you were taking the animal theme a bit too literally, but maybe we're actually on a similar wavelength after all. :lol

still, if you are into exploring bands with a more outright animal-centric concept, you might want to give a listen to bands such as the eagles, band of horses, fleet foxes, counting crows, modest mouse, whitesnake, bloodhound gang, imagine dragons (if you enjoy a more fantasy-themed flair), owl city, a flock of seagulls, or gorillaz. i can't vouch for the quality on all of these as a few were recommendations from my son, but i hope this helps! :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 31, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

appreciate your creative take on the album concept, but it seems like you might be missing the point of "panther" and maybe even pain of salvation's style in general. the album's focus is more on exploring human emotions, struggles, and societal themes through metaphors, rather than literally embodying different animals' perspectives.

pain of salvation's approach often involves delving into complex and abstract ideas, and "panther" is no exception. while the "dog" concept you mentioned could be interesting, it doesn't quite align with the band's typical thematic exploration.

it's totally fine to have your own interpretations and preferences, but maybe pain of salvation's music might not resonate with the angle you're looking for. that's the beauty of art – it's subjective and can evoke different responses from different people.

keep on enjoying the music in your own way, and maybe explore other bands that delve into animal-themed concepts more directly. cheers!

thanks for takin' the time (you can feel the waves coming on!) to share your thoughts on my take about the "panther" album. i get what you're saying about the album's focus on human emotions and all that metaphorical stuff. i guess i just saw it from a different angle, you know? like, sometimes music hits folks in ways that might not be exactly what the artist intended, and that's the beauty of it.

i agree that pain of salvation goes deep into complex ideas, and "panther" isn't any different. but i reckon my dog analogy was more around the vibe it gave me rather than literal animals. but i get where you're coming from – their style's more about abstract themes and societal stuff.

you're right – art's all about interpretation and feeling a connection, even if it is not the same as everyone else's. i'll keep on spinning their tunes, and yeah, maybe i'll check out other bands that fit that animal-themed bill more closely. thanks for the insights, mate. do you have any specific examples? i'd love to hear a few!!

thanks for being open to the discussion, mate. absolutely, music can resonate in all sorts of unexpected ways, and it's cool to see how different folks connect with it uniquely. i apologize if i got the wrong impression from your post - mentioning things like jungles gave me the impression you were taking the animal theme a bit too literally, but maybe we're actually on a similar wavelength after all. :lol

still, if you are into exploring bands with a more outright animal-centric concept, you might want to give a listen to bands such as the eagles, band of horses, fleet foxes, counting crows, modest mouse, whitesnake, bloodhound gang, imagine dragons (if you enjoy a more fantasy-themed flair), owl city, a flock of seagulls, or gorillaz. i can't vouch for the quality on all of these as a few were recommendations from my son, but i hope this helps! :heart
What about Ratt?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 12:36:25 PM
i can't help but think it could've been even more intriguing if they had gone with the title "dog" instead.

imagine this: a whole concept album where you're experiencing life from the perspective of a dog in a world dominated by panthers. i mean, how cool would that be? it could've explored themes of survival, adaptation, and the struggle to find your place in a world that's not exactly tailored for you.

the tracks could've taken us on a journey through different scenarios - from navigating the dense jungle-like landscapes to encountering other animals, maybe even forming unexpected bonds with them. the dog's perspective could've given us a unique way to explore the dynamics of power, hierarchy, and maybe even rebellion against the panther rule.

i'm not saying "panther" is bad by any means. it's got that signature pain of salvation sound with their progressive and thought-provoking lyrics. but just think about the emotional depth we could've had if they delved into the psychology of being a dog surrounded by panthers. the struggle to fit in, the longing for acceptance, and the constant awareness of your own vulnerabilities.

the musical arrangements could've been just as diverse, maybe even incorporating some canine-like elements in the instrumentation to really immerse us in the dog's perspective. i can already imagine the melodic riffs and harmonies capturing the dog's curiosity, fear, and determination.

overall, "panther" is a solid album with its own merits, but i can't help but feel that "dog" could've taken the whole concept to another level. it's all about exploring a different angle and bringing out those hidden emotions that we might not have considered before. anyways, just my two cents on the matter. would love to hear what you guys think!

appreciate your creative take on the album concept, but it seems like you might be missing the point of "panther" and maybe even pain of salvation's style in general. the album's focus is more on exploring human emotions, struggles, and societal themes through metaphors, rather than literally embodying different animals' perspectives.

pain of salvation's approach often involves delving into complex and abstract ideas, and "panther" is no exception. while the "dog" concept you mentioned could be interesting, it doesn't quite align with the band's typical thematic exploration.

it's totally fine to have your own interpretations and preferences, but maybe pain of salvation's music might not resonate with the angle you're looking for. that's the beauty of art – it's subjective and can evoke different responses from different people.

keep on enjoying the music in your own way, and maybe explore other bands that delve into animal-themed concepts more directly. cheers!

thanks for takin' the time (you can feel the waves coming on!) to share your thoughts on my take about the "panther" album. i get what you're saying about the album's focus on human emotions and all that metaphorical stuff. i guess i just saw it from a different angle, you know? like, sometimes music hits folks in ways that might not be exactly what the artist intended, and that's the beauty of it.

i agree that pain of salvation goes deep into complex ideas, and "panther" isn't any different. but i reckon my dog analogy was more around the vibe it gave me rather than literal animals. but i get where you're coming from – their style's more about abstract themes and societal stuff.

you're right – art's all about interpretation and feeling a connection, even if it is not the same as everyone else's. i'll keep on spinning their tunes, and yeah, maybe i'll check out other bands that fit that animal-themed bill more closely. thanks for the insights, mate. do you have any specific examples? i'd love to hear a few!!

thanks for being open to the discussion, mate. absolutely, music can resonate in all sorts of unexpected ways, and it's cool to see how different folks connect with it uniquely. i apologize if i got the wrong impression from your post - mentioning things like jungles gave me the impression you were taking the animal theme a bit too literally, but maybe we're actually on a similar wavelength after all. :lol

still, if you are into exploring bands with a more outright animal-centric concept, you might want to give a listen to bands such as the eagles, band of horses, fleet foxes, counting crows, modest mouse, whitesnake, bloodhound gang, imagine dragons (if you enjoy a more fantasy-themed flair), owl city, a flock of seagulls, or gorillaz. i can't vouch for the quality on all of these as a few were recommendations from my son, but i hope this helps! :heart
What about Ratt?
i don't believe the animal has two ts and also my son and i were trying to recommend bands that are enjoyable
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on August 31, 2023, 12:41:29 PM
Seriously, what the hell is going on here? It's like the thread took a wrong turn at irony junction and ended up in a parallel universe of utter randomness.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2023, 12:45:12 PM
Seriously, what the hell is going on here? It's like the thread took a wrong turn at irony junction and ended up in a parallel universe of utter randomness.

I know, right? It's like a bunch of dogs in here, like this is a dog's world or something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 31, 2023, 12:50:04 PM
This is what the rap verses on Panther do to a mf
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 01:00:16 PM
Seriously, what the hell is going on here? It's like the thread took a wrong turn at irony junction and ended up in a parallel universe of utter randomness.

after i cleared up the misunderstanding with 808 i decided to have some fun with the animal topic and if you could not properly identify that list of bands as part of a jape you might be a dog yourself, mate :lol no worries though much love brother

Seriously, what the hell is going on here? It's like the thread took a wrong turn at irony junction and ended up in a parallel universe of utter randomness.

I know, right? It's like a bunch of dogs in here, like this is a dog's world or something.

this i kind of take offense to though - i established earlier in the thread i identify with the panther - it's a little upsetting to be labeled a dog :\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
You're just a panther living in a dog's world.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 01:14:39 PM
You're just a panther living in a dog's world.

i'm going to guess you're being sarcastic but i'm not going to rise to the bait. expected better behavior from a moderator though. :sad:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2023, 01:20:51 PM
You're just a panther living in a dog's world.

i'm going to guess you're being sarcastic but i'm not going to rise to the bait. expected better behavior from a moderator though. :sad:

Huh?

1. I'm not a moderator. That was a joke from Bosk
2. I was kidding. Not being sarcastic or trying to provide bait. Just trying (and failing) to be silly. No harm meant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 01:28:33 PM
You're just a panther living in a dog's world.

i'm going to guess you're being sarcastic but i'm not going to rise to the bait. expected better behavior from a moderator though. :sad:

Huh?

1. I'm not a moderator. That was a joke from Bosk
2. I was kidding. Not being sarcastic or trying to provide bait. Just trying (and failing) to be silly. No harm meant.

oh... my mistake... much love brother :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
You're just a panther living in a dog's world.

i'm going to guess you're being sarcastic but i'm not going to rise to the bait. expected better behavior from a moderator though. :sad:

Huh?

1. I'm not a moderator. That was a joke from Bosk
2. I was kidding. Not being sarcastic or trying to provide bait. Just trying (and failing) to be silly. No harm meant.

oh... my mistake... much love brother :metal

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: nick_z on August 31, 2023, 07:18:38 PM

I've grown to love Panther. Concrete Lake is my fave. I actually got to spend sometime with POS at Prog Power USA. They stayed in the same hotel as I did. Very nice dudes. I have to dig out my Polaroids.

Glad to see some love for OHBTCL...It was the first POS album I listened to, back when it came out (Entropia was re-printed later) and I always found it to be  fantastic. In retrospect, still retaining some of the eclectic approach of Entropia (there are still a few writing credits for Daniel Magdic, if I remember correctly), but already channeled into the more "mature" version of POS. The production is a bit weird, but the songs are undeniable. Might not be my #1 (that spot is for Remedy Lane), but it's top 3 on most days.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2023, 07:09:28 AM

I've grown to love Panther. Concrete Lake is my fave. I actually got to spend sometime with POS at Prog Power USA. They stayed in the same hotel as I did. Very nice dudes. I have to dig out my Polaroids.

Glad to see some love for OHBTCL...It was the first POS album I listened to, back when it came out (Entropia was re-printed later) and I always found it to be  fantastic. In retrospect, still retaining some of the eclectic approach of Entropia (there are still a few writing credits for Daniel Magdic, if I remember correctly), but already channeled into the more "mature" version of POS. The production is a bit weird, but the songs are undeniable. Might not be my #1 (that spot is for Remedy Lane), but it's top 3 on most days.

I would love to see OHBTCL get a full remix the way RL did. Hell, get the same guy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obelix5150 on September 07, 2023, 07:41:46 PM
I feel that the departure of Johan Langell really impacted this band. PoS compositions require a really tight drummer (in terms of style) to bring it together and Margarit just isn't it, unfortunately.

I just have to say quickly, as someone who has played with Leo since Spring of last year, that he is one of the absolute top class drummers in progressive music. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 07, 2023, 07:44:39 PM
I feel that the departure of Johan Langell really impacted this band. PoS compositions require a really tight drummer (in terms of style) to bring it together and Margarit just isn't it, unfortunately.

I just have to say quickly, as someone who has played with Leo since Spring of last year, that he is one of the absolute top class drummers in progressive music. :)

I'll admit that it took me a while to get into Leo, but the stuff he plays on the last two albums truly blows my mind. Just didn't love his playing on the Road Salt albums, but I didn't really love those albums anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 08, 2023, 03:01:51 AM
And DG probably comes up with a lot of the drumming to begin with, so who knows how much of that is 100% the drummer's "fault". That said, I have no issues with his drumming and I quite enjoy it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on September 08, 2023, 12:14:10 PM
Agreed, Leo is awesome! Johan was great too, no doubt.  But when I listed to POS (especially the last 2 albums as Adami pointed out), one thing that DOES NOT come to mind, is the drumming being subpar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The Great Ape on September 08, 2023, 01:17:05 PM
When Daniel says "fuck the homies, fuck the poses" what exactly does he mean. Who is he giving the big FU to and why???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on September 08, 2023, 02:21:46 PM
When Daniel says "fuck the homies, fuck the poses" what exactly does he mean. Who is he giving the big FU to and why???

well, i reckon it's hard to say for sure what daniel means by them words in the song cribcaged. could be he's just venting some frustration or expressing disapproval towards certain folks, but it's open to interpretation, ya know? sometimes artists use strong language like that to convey their emotions or make a point in their music. as a long-time fan of pain of salvation, i've learned to appreciate the complexity and depth of their lyrics, even if they don't always align with my own views. it's all part of what makes their music so thought-provoking and unique.

maybe he just hates these bitches:

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTk4WDE2MDA=/z/6doAAOSwuR5jufp3/$_57.JPG?set_id=880000500F%3E)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
When Daniel says "fuck the homies, fuck the poses" what exactly does he mean. Who is he giving the big FU to and why???

I love Cribcaged.

Just based on the style of the song itself, I would say it’s an obvious “diss track” aimed at the entire “gangsta rap” culture… I’m not against any style of music, but the lifestyle has become a product to be sold, and image is everything. It’s the whole ball of fake wax that he’s aiming at, and I think it’s brilliant.

I also love the way that *everything* in the lyric sheet that he says “F***” to, has a trademark symbol next to it. Just a brilliant move that really underlines what everything in the song is aimed at.

I’ve been putting a trademark symbol next to Ozzy’s(tm) name ever since.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 03, 2023, 02:26:41 PM
for those who never saw this, but their complete TPE live at ProgPower is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjXl7K3Mx1Lxp5CzlBX4sO2zAF53zLW8K
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2023, 02:30:32 PM
I thought the song Cribcaged was based off of the MTV show Cribs?  Lyrics point to that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 03, 2024, 09:20:09 PM
1st show in quite awhile tonight at the Midwinter Prog Festival

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2024/tivolivredenburg-grote-zaal-utrecht-netherlands-2bac08ea.html
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 04, 2024, 05:51:24 AM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on February 04, 2024, 08:25:39 AM
I would’ve expected less from ITPLOD in the set.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 04, 2024, 09:21:08 AM
I wonder if Daniel has been burnt out or something cause it feels like the band is moving at a snail's pace and losing momentum. Sure, I fully get it around ITPLOD when he had his health issues and that must have been scary. But it's only been 4 years since Panther came out and I feel like there's barely been any activity? They did a NA tour for Panther but they didn't even do a EU tour for it? As a swede myself I find it really weird that the band hasn't even played a show here within their own country since 2018. 6 years ago!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 04, 2024, 09:45:20 AM
I wonder if Daniel has been burnt out or something cause it feels like the band is moving at a snail's pace and losing momentum. Sure, I fully get it around ITPLOD when he had his health issues and that must have been scary. But it's only been 4 years since Panther came out and I feel like there's barely been any activity? They did a NA tour for Panther but they didn't even do a EU tour for it? As a swede myself I find it really weird that the band hasn't even played a show here within their own country since 2018. 6 years ago!

As far as live shows go…I imagine the health issues he suffered may have left him immune compromised and thus he might be extremely cautious about the post COVID world.

But it is odd that we haven’t heard anything about new music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on February 05, 2024, 12:31:26 AM
I follow Daniel on facebook and about a year or so ago he posted something along the lines of not being motivated at all to write new music. He didn’t see the point and was mostly just teaching guitar for a while.

I do recall him posting more about album recordings over the last half year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 05, 2024, 07:55:50 AM
I follow Daniel on facebook and about a year or so ago he posted something along the lines of not being motivated at all to write new music. He didn’t see the point and was mostly just teaching guitar for a while.

I do recall him posting more about album recordings over the last half year.

That's a shame. I follow him on Instagram. So many of his posts over the last year or two were him taking apart old phones or something.

But he did post a few of him jamming with the old PoS crew, minus his brother. Wasn't sure if those were just fun jams or a more serious project that was never mentioned again.

Either way there definitely seems to be a lack of spark. All of the shows over the last years have been close to the same. If he is done, that's fine. Glad we got what we got. Hope he doesn't try to force something and only writes if he's inspired.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kocak on February 05, 2024, 10:52:45 AM
I follow Daniel on facebook and about a year or so ago he posted something along the lines of not being motivated at all to write new music. He didn’t see the point and was mostly just teaching guitar for a while.

I do recall him posting more about album recordings over the last half year.

That's a shame. I follow him on Instagram. So many of his posts over the last year or two were him taking apart old phones or something.

But he did post a few of him jamming with the old PoS crew, minus his brother. Wasn't sure if those were just fun jams or a more serious project that was never mentioned again.

Either way there definitely seems to be a lack of spark. All of the shows over the last years have been close to the same. If he is done, that's fine. Glad we got what we got. Hope he doesn't try to force something and only writes if he's inspired.

While I was reading your post, I thought of your last sentence. Forced music isn't something I want from one of my favourite musicians.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on February 05, 2024, 11:01:50 AM
IIRC, at some point, he hinted/wondered if the new music being written was going to be released under a different band name/project. This was probably a year ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kram on February 05, 2024, 11:09:36 AM
I follow Daniel on facebook and about a year or so ago he posted something along the lines of not being motivated at all to write new music. He didn’t see the point and was mostly just teaching guitar for a while.

I do recall him posting more about album recordings over the last half year.
I've actually conversed with him a few times on Facebook (made some comments and he replied, he's pretty good about engaging with the fans at times). Anyway, I commented last summer that I'm patiently waiting for the new album - he replied to me and said unfortunately I'll be waiting for awhile, as he hasn't touched it in months.  So yeah, not sure whats going on with him.  I was actually kind of surprised to see they were playing at that festival.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 05, 2024, 11:10:00 AM
I also appreciate what he has given us and I can respect him not feeling it and not forcing it. Honestly when you look at the PoS discography there's a lot of "what ifs". Even as someone who hasn't necessarily disliked any of their albums and enjoyed the new era with the last 2 albums, you still can't help but feel for Daniel. You go back to like Scarsick and their classic lineup starting to fall apart and that combined with mixed reception for some albums in a row, it must be hard mentally for someone like Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Kocak on February 06, 2024, 01:53:12 AM
I also appreciate what he has given us and I can respect him not feeling it and not forcing it. Honestly when you look at the PoS discography there's a lot of "what ifs". Even as someone who hasn't necessarily disliked any of their albums and enjoyed the new era with the last 2 albums, you still can't help but feel for Daniel. You go back to like Scarsick and their classic lineup starting to fall apart and that combined with mixed reception for some albums in a row, it must be hard mentally for someone like Daniel.

I think this is the case for a number of bands, once you have a some successful albums that people identified the band with, they start expecting that sort of vibe and when you cannot live up to it, people lose interest in the band or they end up becoming a nostalgia act milking their past creations.

For me DG and Mikael from Opeth are in similar situations, both could have continued as solo artists and retired the band at different points in their respective careers and they could have been more successful in my humble opinion as it would have given them more freedom. There are more examples in the music world for this, I think musicians, at times, fail to let go of something that they built out of sentimentality and/or financial reasons.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on February 06, 2024, 10:43:52 AM
I also appreciate what he has given us and I can respect him not feeling it and not forcing it. Honestly when you look at the PoS discography there's a lot of "what ifs". Even as someone who hasn't necessarily disliked any of their albums and enjoyed the new era with the last 2 albums, you still can't help but feel for Daniel. You go back to like Scarsick and their classic lineup starting to fall apart and that combined with mixed reception for some albums in a row, it must be hard mentally for someone like Daniel.

I think this is the case for a number of bands, once you have a some successful albums that people identified the band with, they start expecting that sort of vibe and when you cannot live up to it, people lose interest in the band or they end up becoming a nostalgia act milking their past creations.

For me DG and Mikael from Opeth are in similar situations, both could have continued as solo artists and retired the band at different points in their respective careers and they could have been more successful in my humble opinion as it would have given them more freedom. There are more examples in the music world for this, I think musicians, at times, fail to let go of something that they built out of sentimentality and/or financial reasons.

Opeth is another good analogy. Definitely some similarities with both bands with Daniel/Mikael being the only real permanent members throughout all the years. All the member changes in PoS probably has taken a toll on Daniel as well over the years. You would at least imagine at some point, maybe around BE when they still had their classic lineup that the vibe of the band was "we'll do this forever and have fun and make great albums together" but then they fall off 1 by 1 and get replaced and that combined with lower interest in the band means Daniel is doing a lot of heavy lifting by himself these days without being surrounded by the people who helped make some of those magic albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 06, 2024, 01:47:47 PM
I've always wondered if the lack of access to the orchestra needed for what Daniel said was going to be The Perfect Element part II, impacted some of how things turned out.

When he was interviewed about Be, he explained how they wanted a specific orchestra to use for TPE part II, but they were not available...like several years I guess.

And then they did Be instead, and then Scarsick comes out and it's considered TPE Part II, but where was the orchestra?..I wonder if that changed the course of what they did and they ended up with Kristoffer and then Langell leaving and it kind of collapsed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obelix5150 on February 07, 2024, 12:11:12 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2024, 12:29:37 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)

Hey man, always appreciate you posting here. I couldn't be there but I have no doubt y'all sounded great. It's just tough when you're a huge fan of a band, so you want to hear/see a wide variety of stuff. Obviously good reasons for it, just a bit of a bummer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obelix5150 on February 07, 2024, 12:45:19 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)

Hey man, always appreciate you posting here. I couldn't be there but I have no doubt y'all sounded great. It's just tough when you're a huge fan of a band, so you want to hear/see a wide variety of stuff. Obviously good reasons for it, just a bit of a bummer.

Totally understand. There's a wealth of amazing material to choose from in that discography, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2024, 12:48:12 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)

Hey man, always appreciate you posting here. I couldn't be there but I have no doubt y'all sounded great. It's just tough when you're a huge fan of a band, so you want to hear/see a wide variety of stuff. Obviously good reasons for it, just a bit of a bummer.

Totally understand. There's a wealth of amazing material to choose from in that discography, that's for sure!

As their keyboardist, are there any specific songs that you haven't played live with them that you'd really love to?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obelix5150 on February 07, 2024, 02:52:58 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)

Hey man, always appreciate you posting here. I couldn't be there but I have no doubt y'all sounded great. It's just tough when you're a huge fan of a band, so you want to hear/see a wide variety of stuff. Obviously good reasons for it, just a bit of a bummer.

Totally understand. There's a wealth of amazing material to choose from in that discography, that's for sure!

As their keyboardist, are there any specific songs that you haven't played live with them that you'd really love to?

For me personally, seeing Remedy Lane in its entirety in 2014 at ProgPower USA absolutely changed my life... so anything from that record would be a "full-circle" moment for me. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 07, 2024, 03:24:44 PM
I can attest..I've seen well over 500 concerts, and the 1st ProgPowerUSA Pain of Salvation show in 2001 in Lansing, IL remains my favorite concert ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 07, 2024, 05:21:46 PM
And still it’s only last two albums and stuff from TPE.

FWIW, the gig from the last weekend at Midwinter Prog Fest was done with no band rehearsal and us having not played together since early September. Not a lot of chances to get new material into the setlist. :) (Even as it was, we added "Icon" back into the set having not played it together since 2022. Thankfully it was a success!)

Hey man, always appreciate you posting here. I couldn't be there but I have no doubt y'all sounded great. It's just tough when you're a huge fan of a band, so you want to hear/see a wide variety of stuff. Obviously good reasons for it, just a bit of a bummer.

Totally understand. There's a wealth of amazing material to choose from in that discography, that's for sure!

As their keyboardist, are there any specific songs that you haven't played live with them that you'd really love to?

For me personally, seeing Remedy Lane in its entirety in 2014 at ProgPower USA absolutely changed my life... so anything from that record would be a "full-circle" moment for me. :)

That would be amazing.

I know Daniel had a habit of "reworking" Undertow for different tours. It'd be really cool to hear how he interprets that song these days with the mentality and sound of the last two albums.