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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1645 on: February 05, 2012, 11:44:00 AM »
Leeds show on Saturday, so excited

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1646 on: February 05, 2012, 12:13:01 PM »
Can't wait to see the setlist.
It will most likely be 50-60% Road Salt songs, but the interesting part to me is what old stuff they are planning on performing. Don't get me wrong now, but Ashes, Undertow and Chain Sling have become a bit "dull" in the sense that they are often there, and it's not that they aren't great tunes, but it removes the spots for 3 other songs.
I saw Ashes when I saw them open for Opeth, and honestly I enjoy the 12:5 version more, the "regular" version is probably one of my least favorite "popular" PoS-songs. Undertow and Chain Sling are cool, but I would much rather see King of Loss or Her Voices for example. Foreword, Nightmist, Handful of Nothing and A Trace of Blood are some others I would love.
From BE they can play pretty much what they want, the album is just a masterpiece, and while I was lucky to get Diffidentia the last time I saw them, I would take it again because it's THAT good.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1647 on: February 05, 2012, 12:20:18 PM »
Some words on the upcoming live material (might have already posted this but it seems relevant right now) from DG:

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PAIN OF SALVATION mastermind Daniel Gildenl÷w checked in to comment about the upcoming tour as follows:
"We have added a lot of asked-for unplayed material on the setlist, among others 'Stress', 'Healing Now' and 'Sisters'. We are also working on a totally reworked version of 'King of Loss' and we are additionally rehearsing 'The Physics of Gridlock' and 'The Deeper Cut', as well as some older material that we haven't played in a while."

All some of their best songs, if you ask me.  Particularly, I never thought "Stress" would see the light of day; brilliant song.  The Road Salt ones he mentioned  are much stronger than the other ones they've been playing, too. 


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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1648 on: February 05, 2012, 12:37:25 PM »
Wow! Must see that!


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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1649 on: February 05, 2012, 12:43:31 PM »
Sweet. Only five days away now.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1650 on: February 05, 2012, 01:16:09 PM »
Sounds promising.
The Physics of Gridlock is my favorite from Road Salt Two, so I would love to see it live.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1651 on: February 05, 2012, 11:06:52 PM »
"DRYAD OF THE WOODS"  :eek
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1652 on: February 06, 2012, 12:07:29 AM »
Really? That's one of my least favorite parts of that album.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1653 on: February 06, 2012, 12:26:15 AM »
...From BE they can play pretty much what they want, the album is just a masterpiece, and while I was lucky to get Diffidentia the last time I saw them, I would take it again because it's THAT good.

it kinda bugs me that diffidentia is THE go-to song for "BE", live.

i've never really obsessed over knowing all their setlists, but as far as i thought, they next-to-never play other tracks off "BE", do they? if so, is it that daniel just isnt comfortable without the orchestra for the other songs?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1654 on: February 06, 2012, 01:49:57 AM »
Yeah when you say it, it's a bit interesting I guess.
Diffidentia is quite possibly more "easy" to change from studio to a live setting, but I don't think the others would be too impossible either. Lilium Cruentus, Dea Pecuniae or Iter Impius would be amazing live I reckon.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1655 on: February 06, 2012, 03:22:13 AM »
Orrrrrr

Nihil Morari?















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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1656 on: February 06, 2012, 04:00:37 AM »
Diffidentia is one of the weakest from BE, meaning it's still brilliant but most of the other songs are even more brilliant.  I'd be happy to see it replaced with another track form the album.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1657 on: February 06, 2012, 04:31:38 AM »
Yes, it can be quite upsetting to think that no one will go with him but try and remember that it's Rich and he deserves it.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1658 on: February 06, 2012, 06:19:55 PM »
so no one knows? daniel's never explained why Diffidentia is THE "BE" song for live shows?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1659 on: February 06, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »
It seems to be the least dependent on the orchestra sections, and probably the most fitting song on BE for a live setting.  A few others would probably work, though, and they do use an orchestra track when playing Diffidentia live nowadays anyway. 

Also, I know they've played at least Dea Pecuniae and Martius/Nauticus II live before once or a few times, and possibly others as well.  Just not nearly as frequently. 

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1660 on: February 06, 2012, 07:45:04 PM »
nihil-morari is right...nihil morari would be a sick addition to any given setlist.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1661 on: February 06, 2012, 07:51:54 PM »
Yeah, I'd love to see if they could pull it off with the vocal parts from the album throughout the middle section that weren't on the DVD, that would be intense.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1662 on: February 06, 2012, 07:58:18 PM »
Deus nova would be a create addition. I haven't seen them live,and doubt I will, but I know diffidentia is a what?for me. if you think about it a song like nihil morari would be a great encore
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1663 on: February 06, 2012, 08:00:25 PM »
Yeah, I'd love to see if they could pull it off with the vocal parts from the album throughout the middle section that weren't on the DVD, that would be intense.

I don't have the studio version. As I think live BE is way better and guys the atmosphere and mood of what BE is.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1664 on: February 06, 2012, 09:51:13 PM »
really?!! i thought he only improved the songs from the when the DVD was recorded to when the CD was tracked...gave him some time to work on a few things that werent yet perfected, i always thought.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1665 on: February 06, 2012, 09:59:31 PM »
There were quite a few improvements made to the studio CD of BE over the live. However the live version has a few things that the studio sorely lacks.

- Johan's lead vocals at times
- Original guitar solo in Iter Impus
- Way better production
- Better vocals on that churchish song
- The Rawness of it all is superior to the super polished studio version.

Few other things like guitar sounds and vocal production and stuff that I can't recall the specifics of.


I would love a blend of the two versions somehow.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1666 on: February 07, 2012, 11:59:03 AM »
well now you guys have me wanting to throw in the "BE" DVD sometime soon. i havent watched it in forever; i always just throw on 'the second death of" when i need my POS live dvd fix.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1667 on: February 07, 2012, 12:02:55 PM »
Only 3 days until I see them in a 110 capacity venue :caffeine:

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1668 on: February 07, 2012, 12:20:42 PM »
wow. sounds like something that could be the 'best concert experience of all time".

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1669 on: February 07, 2012, 04:16:26 PM »
Cryptex and Lifescreen are supporting at the European shows.

They're not very good

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1670 on: February 09, 2012, 05:13:27 AM »
TOMORROWTOMORROWTOMORROW!!

Any other DTFers going to the Glasgow gig? (apart from acidlameface)

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1671 on: February 09, 2012, 08:06:55 AM »
Shut up

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1672 on: February 10, 2012, 05:08:24 AM »
WOO STILL GOING

I remembered a friend who is at leeds university, staying over his.

PHEW

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1673 on: February 10, 2012, 07:33:40 AM »
Nice! Gig tonight :caffeine:

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1674 on: February 11, 2012, 02:38:16 AM »
I saw the setlist for the show yesterday. Not really overwhelmed, I do think it will be cool to see them never the less, but without spoiling it for anyone else, it wasn't really any of the older tracks that I REALLY want to see badly.
However, the setlist might change with a song here or there, so we'll see.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1675 on: February 11, 2012, 05:02:05 AM »
Excellent gig. I was so close to Daniel Gildenl÷w I could feel his breath. Also, I couldn't take many photos because the lighting wasn't great but I was so close that I didn't want to fire off the flash in their faces. Here's some of the ones I took anyway:

Guy from the support band:











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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1676 on: February 11, 2012, 08:07:20 AM »
Moar Ragnar plz
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1677 on: February 12, 2012, 10:36:55 AM »
Saw them in Leeds, setlist was great though they had a plethora of technical issues (so we got some impromptu Beatles, yay).

The mics were waay too quite so I couldn't clearly hear the singing for a loot of the show which was disappointing, but my friends with earplugs said they could nicely hear everything so of course the sound mixer would be ignorant to those like me too.

Fat tall people in front for a lot of it, support bands were crap (started at 8pm...PoS came on at 10pm, fuck I wish we didn't have support bands).

One super bright light was shining in my eyes for half the show, I couldnt look at the stage it was fucking ridiculous.

The epic final song was almost almost almost ruined by some FUCK directly behind me who was clapping out of time loudly for the whole song.. on his own. ARGH FUCK THAT GUY. I so nearly turned around but I tried to enjoy the song instead and pretty much did.

Leo and Daniel were awesome, the temps were cool too.


They had so many problems as I was hearing talking to all their cool staff, they were missing half there gear as it was in Germany (lighting, amps, guitars, merch etc.) because of some idiots who took out shit they shouldn't have.

All in all it was great with a great setlist, but I definitely want to see them again so I can.. hear things better and be able to look at them without being blinded or blocked by a fat tall woman or guy with huge mohawk.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1678 on: February 13, 2012, 03:49:35 AM »
Went to the show with Faemir, but I had earplugs so the sound was somehow better for me. Setlist was epic as fuck, ENTER RAAAAIN

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #1679 on: February 14, 2012, 01:06:19 PM »
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