Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[Nihil-Morari]

When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time

as for faemir, thorn clown is cool.

also as for faemir, i have em all except never learn to fly, of which i desire.

edit: oh, i also dont have the RS2 japanese bonus tracks. more desires.

Never Learn To Fly is amazing. Or at least, interesting if you know the story behind it. (Written by an 11yo DG etc.)

[pain of occupation]

cool, i wasnt aware of that. we've been checking it out on youtube several times over the past couple months. it's neat.

second love was also written in his youth, wasnt it?

[Lynxo]

Saw this on Pain of Salvation's Facebook:

To that fan of POS or Opeth...

You'd think we'd had enough, right? RINGLESS TOILETS, OPEN WOUNDS, BROKEN TOES, SPRAINED ABDOMINAL MUSCLES, BRUISES, BEE STINGS... For those who long for tour life - we'd gladly give you a few weeks on tour. Just one advice - when they deprive you of all sanity and spirit, make sure to cling on to your legs, 'cause they're the ones you will need when you will run the hell away from it all!

Nah, it's never that bad (yes it is). No, really, don't worry (worry!).

Take the last tour we did for example, it was a dream. Seriously, we were deeply honored to have Von Hertzen Brothers open up for us. These guys tour massively in Finland, have won Grammies, and supported Neil fucking Young, and the fucking Foo Fighters for crying out loud. Now here they were, with Pain of Salvation, rocking the stage silly every night. I hope people understood the quality of the music that was given them! Anyway, wonderful musicians, wonderful guys, wonderful people to have around when the bus breaks down for the third time and you're stuck in Stara Zagora in Bulgaria for five days. And this is all hypothetical of course. No bus breaks down three times on a three week tour. Right? Right?

This mess made us have to cancel our second show ever. Damn, that hurt! We had such a good track record! The first ever show we cancelled was in 2005, where we didn't have any gear on location 30 minutes before the show (file under "good reason"). Ankara was cancelled because we were simply in another country, expecting to leave every day - we were all Bill Murray living in Groundhog Day for a few days, saying goodbye to the waitresses at the restaurant after every meal, then ridiculously returning again for the next meal. And the next. And the next. The heartbrokenness (that's a word!) was less and less severe with every farewell. Still, there should be a Pain of Salvation fan club in Stara Zagora by now.

All over Eastern Europe, despite very different size crowds from night to night, the devoted passion was the same every night. You gave so much back to us, really you did! And then there are always a number of fans who want to hear older material, but the funny thing is, they all commit to the fullest when we let them explode in Linoleum, No Way, Conditioned and To the Shoreline. And they never sing along more tearfully than in 1979. The old Pain of Salvation might have an eternal grip of their teenage cleverness, but the newer Pain of Salvation has an even tighter grip on their souls and guts. I was gonna go for balls but then I changed my mind last second. Good.

Now we've been home for less then two weeks, barely regrouping and catching our breaths. Come Monday and we're leaving for five more weeks with Opeth. That odd feeling in our stomachs will be even more prominent this time around, since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik. See, I went and dipped my toes into the serious now, but I can't dwell on it too long then I won't have any energy left for convincing ending! Anyway, Léo and I are already guessing who of us will get to be Christopher Lambert in Highlander. Léo does have the youth, energy and motivation on his side. But I have red-hot statistics holding my fort.

While we go out the next five weeks using this Pain of Salvation to kick the dust off any stage you'll put in front of us, another Pain of Salvation is just now starting to rise from the ashes. We are walking multiple roads here ladies and gentlemen. For these coming five weeks you will witness the third death of Pain of Salvation, and possibly get a glimpse of the beast waking up underneath its skin, soon to be unhinged. Anyway, the way I write this would be a sure sign that I am losing my sanity, but then again, I have always been writing like this. But alright, just for the record I will finish this in a more expected way:

We are looking forward to going out on tour with Opeth. They are truly nice people and we have a lot in common. I also think our fans have a lot in common, so who knows what can happen in the crowds around Europe this fall. I know I'm gonna be there to see it!

You really should be there too. You really should.

Wet kisses,
Daniel Gildenlöw / Pain of Salvation

PAIN OF SALVATION's massive European tour with Opeth starts on November 8 and covers the following dates (look out, tickets are selling quickly  with some shows already completely sold out, so make sure to get yours soon...)

PAIN OF SALVATION with OPETH, European tour 2011:

NOVEMBER 2011
8th – Bristol, Academy - UK
9th – Newcastle, Academy - UK
10th – Edinburgh, Picture House - UK
11th – Manchester,  Academy - UK
12th – Birmingham, Academy - UK
13th – London, Brixton Academy - UK
15th – Tilburg, 013 - THE NETHERLANDS * Sold Out!
16th – Paris, Le Bataclan - FRANCE * Sold Out!
17th – Bordeaux Merignac, Krakatoa - FRANCE
18th – Bilbao, Santana - SPAIN
19th – Madrid, Penelope - SPAIN
20th – Lisbon, Incrivel Almadense - PORTUGAL * Sold Out!
22nd – Barcelona,  Apolo - SPAIN
23rd – Montpellier, Le Rockstore - FRANCE
24th – Milan, Alcatraz - ITALY
25th – Lausanne, Les Docks - SWITZERLAND
26th – Zurich, Komplex - SWITZERLAND
27th – Munich,  Theaterfabrik - GERMANY
29th – Vienna, Gasometer - AUSTRIA
30th – Stuttgart, Longhorn LKA - GERMANY

DECEMBER 2011:
1st – Cologne, Essigfabrik - GERMANY * Sold Out!
2nd – Berlin, Huxleys Neue Welt - GERMANY
3rd – Hamburg, Grosse Freiheit 36 - GERMANY
4th – Göteborg, Trägarn - SWEDEN
6th – Helsinki,  Ice Hall - FINLAND
8th – Stockholm, Arena - SWEDEN
9th – Oslo, Sentrum Scene - NORWAY * Sold Out!

The thing that stood out to me:

...since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik...

WHAT? Fredrik is leaving too? When did this happen? Why? Why wasn't there an announcment? WTF!

[Cyclopssss]

When things are falling appart, they really do fall appart. 

[TheVoxyn]

And what makes it shittier is that I probably can't go (and I already bought a ticket...). Ah well, saw them 4 times before...

[Phoenix87x]

So like, what's the chances of some U.S. Dates within the next year or two?

    I'm not going to get my hopes up, but maybe some day...

[TheVoxyn]

Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

[Phoenix87x]

Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

I totally forgot about Johan leaving 

   and I am just now am finding out Fredrik is leaving too? damn.

   

[faemir]

It makes me glad of the Road Salt covers, immortalised forever

However, this is crazy! So all that's left is the new drummer and Daniel? Jeez

That letter made me laugh though, Daniel is awesome.

[Plasmastrike]

Alright, listening to RS2 for the first time.

I'm on track six, Break Darling Break. So far I've only enjoyed two tracks. Those would be Healing Now and To The Shoreline. I hope I enjoy the rest of the album!

Eleven just came on.. digging this!

[faemir]

Just wait for 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, Through the Distance and Physics of Gridlock.

Then again, I don't get people's beef with Conditioned (dat riff!) or mortar grind (vocal delivery WOW).

[ariich]

Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.

[ClairvoyantCat]

Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.

Yeap, I thought the same, but I can't really think of anything else that could be meant by a "farewell."  Perhaps there's some bitterness about it that made Daniel refrain from issuing a formal farewell as he gave to Johan.  Or maybe Fredrik didn't want a formal goodbye to be released just yet.  Dunno.  It is weird, though. 

[faemir]

Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving?

Yeah, IT SUCKS.

[Nihil-Morari]

Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?

[Perpetual Change]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

[wolfking]

It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.

[Phoenix87x]

It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.

Well, if its true that art comes from adversity, perhaps there's a chance that we will eventually get something really spectacular. I'm going to try and be optimistic about the situation, but anything could happen now.

[Zantera]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

[ariich]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

This. He's always been the creative force behind the band.

[wolfking]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

[Gadough]

I have nothing new to bring to this discussion. I just wanna make a post before Leo leaves.

[petrucci07]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been

[wolfking]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been

Yeah, of course he wasn't, forgot about that there for a second, I guess he just feels like an original member to me.  He was a big, important part of the band.

[Perpetual Change]

This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Disagree. Sure, Daniel's wrote nearly everything, but being a band's primary song-writer =/= being the only necessary element in the band's identity. Daniel may have run the show in the studio for the last couple albums, but outside of that the band still had an identity and a live show. Now, nearly every long-time member aside from him is gone.  I am sure that I am not alone in feeling that this is not Pain of Salvation anymore. It is Daniel's solo project in every way possible, when it only was in some major ways before, and it kinda is disheartening to see so many fans and even Daniel himself dismissing these huge departures as if they were always just his hired guns to begin with.

Best of luck to Daniel. I'm sure he will be successful in his continuing effort to run PoS into the ground

[TheVoxyn]

Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?

Nope. But it's a ticket for Gothenburg (living in Sweden atm) so don't think you could use it .

[Zantera]

Well, I'll miss Johan's live vocals, which I think work very well.
I'm not sure how much I will notice that Fredrik is gone myself, seeing as I haven't seen them live (first time will be now in December), I can't really say how much will change in a live-setting.
As for how they sound on album, I hardly doubt much will change there.
Sure Johan and Fredrik would give their opinions to "form" songs, but in the end it's still Daniel Gildenlöw writing and playing a lot of things (just check the credits in Road Salt), so I hardly doubt they will change much sound-wise either.
Looking back, the directions they've taken when they've changed sound, that feels very much like "Daniel wants to do something new, so the band does something new", no offense to the others obviously.

[ariich]

DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

[Gorille85]

DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.

[Ultimetalhead]

DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.

I actually agree with this. I feel like SW just adjusts his style of writing for PT, and his solo career is just another project.

Basically, it's what Mikael Akerfeldt should have done with Heritage.

[ariich]

Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.

[Ultimetalhead]

Wilson has said a few times (back in the LBS days, so I don't know if that has changed) that Richard's textures are what make Porcupine Tree great for him.

So, definitely not replaceable. One need only look at disc 2 of The Incident to see that they can contribute awesome material as well.

[Zantera]

Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.

I'm not so sure, let's say that Richard or Colin would leave the band, or both at the same time (like what is happening in PoS now), I don't see PT moving on from what.
I mean, both SW and Gavin would have other things to do, and I just don't see them taking in two new replacements and moving on, it would be more "logical" that PT would die, and SW would continue with his solo-stuff, No-Man, Blackfield and Bass Communion, and Gavin with his work.

[faemir]

How do you read that at all? I fail to see why they would stop. It's not "logical" that PT would die, at all.

[petrucci07]

Going to the Opeth show in Manchester tomorrow, but I'm much, MUCH more excited to see PoS than Opeth  These guys have been switching places as my favourite band (with PT) for the last few years, and I just can't wait. I actually have a friend who's a friend of the band (he's staying in the tourbus with them at the moment), and he informs me that The Perfect Element has been planned for a few of the Opeth dates, so fingers crossed it gets dropped tomorrow!