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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2013, 07:16:42 AM »
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Surrounded starts like another FM ballad replete with naff string synths and this album begins to shape up like an REO Speedwagon or Foreigner album albeit with slightly odd prog and metal-orientated rhythms.

Does it help to say that I really don't understand the point he's trying to make here?  :lol
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2013, 07:19:10 AM »
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Surrounded starts like another FM ballad replete with naff string synths and this album begins to shape up like an REO Speedwagon or Foreigner album albeit with slightly odd prog and metal-orientated rhythms.

Does it help to say that I really don't understand the point he's trying to make here?  :lol

I don't think he understood his own point. :lol

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2013, 08:01:21 AM »
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the style so narrowly in the metal vein that it is impossible for me to consider it a prog rock album.

It's not metal enough to be rock.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2013, 08:04:54 AM »
Pretty useless review.

One of those that, coming from a pro reviewer, according to the site's standards, is worth 10 ratings by common people :/

That's another reason why the rankings and ratings at Prog Archives are pretty useless.  Sure, the site can be a useful guide for someone trying to get into the genre, but generally, the way the ratings work is a total laugh.  They should never be taken seriously.  There are several collaborators (whose reviews have by far the most weight in the ratings system they use) who by their own admission have it out for certain bands and often give terrible reviews of albums by said bands just so they can give them poor ratings and knock their score down.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2013, 08:11:20 AM »
I think s/he is confused about what s/he listens and knows.
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2013, 08:12:27 AM »
I think he is sarcastic.
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2013, 08:44:09 AM »
That review's gotta be a joke. If it's indeed serious, I'm not gonna even sugarcoat it - that has to be the worst review I ever read.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2013, 08:48:22 AM »
That review's gotta be a joke. If it's indeed serious, I'm not gonna even sugarcoat it - that has to be the worst review I ever read.

Nah, there's always something worse, like:

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One thing I could never let go, no matter what kind of extreme, exceptional and incomparable instrumentation a DREAM THEATER album has got, is the voice behind the microphone: James LaBRIE. Not only disappointing but intolerable as well. That is the right type of voice that perfectly unfits progressive metal. And I wouldn't like to rely on comparisons to prove my point here, but since I'm up to it, I would like to bring to the table unarguable precise works like the ones performed by Daniel GILDENLÖW of PAIN OF SALVATION or Tom ENGLUND of EVERGREY. They are members and vocalists respectively from bands that certainly appeal to the DREAM THEATER style because they were influenced by the Bostonian band commanded by Mike PORTNOY.

ETA: Oh, and I've just found the guy who wanted to give it 1 star (but eventually went for 2 out of respect) because:

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This is unimaginative music with poor keyboards and an uninviting voice. Sure, those guys have talent, and they know how to play guitar and if you enjoy some good fast-headbanging riffs there are some, but there is absolutely no emotion there, not anything worth listening closely to or enjoying again and again. There are some real prog-metal groups out there which involves much more passion/emotion and are not trying to impress too much with an overwhelming technique (sometimes too much is worse than not enough).

By the way, this is 90% of another review that will be worth ten of the most detailed reviews any of us could write there.
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2013, 08:50:37 AM »
Whenever I read something like that, I lose faith in humanity. It hardly gets sadder than that...

By the way, great avatar, wasteland.  ;D  :tup

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2013, 08:53:16 AM »
Whenever I read something like that, I lose faith in humanity. It hardly gets sadder than that...

By the way, great avatar, wasteland.  ;D  :tup

Thank you! The praise that avatar is getting is frankly unexpected! :)

Check the extra additions to my post above!  :tup
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2013, 09:11:03 AM »
The praise that avatar is getting is frankly unexpected! :)
I won't say "I told you so" :lol

That review's gotta be a joke. If it's indeed serious, I'm not gonna even sugarcoat it - that has to be the worst review I ever read.

Nah, there's always something worse, like:

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One thing I could never let go, no matter what kind of extreme, exceptional and incomparable instrumentation a DREAM THEATER album has got, is the voice behind the microphone: James LaBRIE. Not only disappointing but intolerable as well. That is the right type of voice that perfectly unfits progressive metal. And I wouldn't like to rely on comparisons to prove my point here, but since I'm up to it, I would like to bring to the table unarguable precise works like the ones performed by Daniel GILDENLÖW of PAIN OF SALVATION or Tom ENGLUND of EVERGREY. They are members and vocalists respectively from bands that certainly appeal to the DREAM THEATER style because they were influenced by the Bostonian band commanded by Mike PORTNOY.

ETA: Oh, and I've just found the guy who wanted to give it 1 star (but eventually went for 2 out of respect) because:

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This is unimaginative music with poor keyboards and an uninviting voice. Sure, those guys have talent, and they know how to play guitar and if you enjoy some good fast-headbanging riffs there are some, but there is absolutely no emotion there, not anything worth listening closely to or enjoying again and again. There are some real prog-metal groups out there which involves much more passion/emotion and are not trying to impress too much with an overwhelming technique (sometimes too much is worse than not enough).

By the way, this is 90% of another review that will be worth ten of the most detailed reviews any of us could write there.
Oooooh-kai.

In addition to poor writing skills in the first paragraph, why the fuck does he bring up Dani as a paragon of precision? He was a little over-the-top blob of passion and chaos, that's what made him special! If he simply said "appeal", I wouldn't have batted an eyelid, both early James and Dani are extremely polarizing, unique vocalists deserving of God-tier status, so how do you rank them there is only a matter of personal taste, but on studio albums I would say James is the more precise one.

What the fuck is up with the second guy? Headbanging music is what IAW isn't.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2013, 09:14:30 AM »
Do you even listen to technical music?

I don't think it's really about technicality. They are just pleasant and fit the song. That's really all I need and care for.
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2013, 09:31:04 AM »
Do you even listen to technical music?

I don't think it's really about technicality. They are just pleasant and fit the song. That's really all I need and care for.
Sorry, wasn't really talking to you.  That's an old, old comment from the ancient history of this community.

Oh, well, I realized there was something off. As far as I know, you LOVE IAW and all that's in there!

Anyway, now you have to tell us kids the story!  :D
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2013, 09:32:10 AM »
You know, I'm not a musician or at all knowledgable about music theory, but I'm not sure where people get the sense that ...And Justice for All is a prog album. Sure, it's proggier than anything else Metallica has done, and maybe than anything else a "Big 4" band has done, but that's pretty much it. I like the album, but very little about it screams "prog." I mean, "Eye of the Beholder", "The Shortest Straw" and "Dyers Eve" are all pretty straight-ahead songs, and the title track seems to be more "long" than "progressive". It's longer than "Metropolis Pt. 1", but it is certainly far less technical or complex.

Anyway, the review is stupid, and we should probably ignore the stupid instead of pointing to them and saying "look at this person!" because often, nothing gratifies them more. I'm really not angry about people like that, because in the end, they're the ones who are missing out. Images and Words has some of the most beautiful songs ever, and if you can't see that, it's your loss.

As to whether it is a metal album, I would say that it certainly is. These days, it seems like people are trying to narrow the definition of metal, sometimes so far as to eliminate things like "melody". I&W certainly has the heaviness (as far as distorted guitar goes) and influences to be metal. "Pull Me Under" is certainly a metal song, and you could say the same about "Metropolis", "Take the Time" and "Under a Glass Moon". Naturally, "Another Day" and "Surrounded" are semi-ballads and so don't necessarily uphold the traditional metal style, and "Wait for Sleep" is a ballad leading into "Learning to Live"' which is on the line, but I would say that it is metal.

Of course, I do prefer to adapt a wider view vs. a narrower view of what can be considered metal, possibly because I'm not obsessive about genres. I think genres are useful for classifying music, but that's it. Metal is not the beginning and end of all that is good, nor is prog or any other genre. One band that I'm not sure how to classify is Rush up through Moving Pictures. I think they could be considered metal, but they're right on the line between prog rock and prog metal. If it counts for anything, Sam Dunn talks about them in his Metal Evolution documentary, but I digress. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if 2112 or Images and Words or Led Zeppelin IV or anything else is a metal album. It also doesn't matter terribly much whether I&W is a prog album, though it obviously is to anyone who knows what they are talking about. It matters that they are good albums. And that is the fact that Mr. Genre Obsessed Reviewer missed when he dismissed "Surrounded" in one sentence. End of rant.
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2013, 11:30:05 AM »
I swear, this is the last one I'm going to post:  :rollin

100% of a review of yet another PRO. Posted 2 days after Score.

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I may be little old and conservative, but I don't see anything innovative, original, groundbreaking, emotional, thought-provoking or progressive in this album, which seems to be higly regarded by fans. What I can hear, and believe me I heard a bunch of good and different types of rock music in the previous 25+ years, is a dull, uninspired play with quite horrible vocals. Imagine the worst of METALLICA joined with the worst of neo-prog! This is not even "metal", much less "progressive". The guys are clearly capable of playing instruments, alas playing instruments is not necessarily contributing to the art of music. If you want to hear real "progressiveness" of the heavy metal rock, go grab BLACK SABBATH or BLUE OYSTER CULT from the early 1970s! Comparing to them, DT sounds like a Xmas carol. 1,5 stars!
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2013, 11:39:12 AM »
I'm convinced that these reviews are all trolls.

I find it hard to believe someone can be that ignorant.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2013, 02:10:47 PM »
The reviewer had decided on beforehand that he album was bad, and listened to it to find bad things to complain about in the review. It really shines through.


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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2013, 04:47:12 PM »
Because nothing says progressive like the song Paranoid, which is like a single riff with four verses of a single vocal melody and a guitar solo. Also, who uses the term "heavy metal rock"?
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2013, 04:49:31 PM »
Honestly I don't think this guy even deserves the attention he's gotten with this thread  :lol Just another self righteous music snob.

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2013, 04:50:32 PM »
Also, who uses the term "heavy metal rock"?
I read it in a Serbian magazine from the mid-70's. So, people who don't speak English that well :lol

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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2013, 04:51:50 PM »
Music hasn't progressed since the early 70s, because I say so!!!!!11!
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Re: Images And Words: A Progressive Album?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2013, 05:03:38 PM »
Because nothing says progressive like the song Paranoid, which is like a single riff with four verses of a single vocal melody and a guitar solo. Also, who uses the term "heavy metal rock"?

Justin Bieber is progressive death metal.