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Been watching the off season more than usual this time round.
Bunch a stuff happened today.
Mike Evans re-signs with the Bucs. Hope Baker signs next.
Jason Kelce retires.
Russell Wilson released.
Been also watching the dynasty show. Seeing loose and funny BB from the early years is definitely different .
Also watched the Aaron Hernandez doc on Netflix. The CTE was off the charts.
Haven't followed the combine much, will probably read up in the draft.
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Been watching the off season more than usual this time round.
Bunch a stuff happened today.
Mike Evans re-signs with the Bucs. Hope Baker signs next.
Jason Kelce retires.
Russell Wilson released.
Been also watching the dynasty show. Seeing loose and funny BB from the early years is definitely different .
Also watched the Aaron Hernandez doc on Netflix. The CTE was off the charts.
Haven't followed the combine much, will probably read up in the draft.
:lol :lol :lol
Excuse me for second, I think I read that wrong. That can't be correct.
Nope. That actually just happened.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years. That's a crazy amount of money owed to Wilson.
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I actually wouldn't mind if the Steelers ended up with Wilson. You know dang well he'll get the ball downfield to Pickens which is all they need to be competitive above what they already have.
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years. That's a crazy amount of money owed to Wilson.
Damn! And factor in what they gave up to get the guy. Wow.
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years. That's a crazy amount of money owed to Wilson.
Damn! And factor in what they gave up to get the guy. Wow.
This is what the teams got from the trade
Seahawks got
QB Drew Lock
TE Noah Fant
DL Shelby Harris
OT Charles Cross (2022 - 1st round pick)
OLB Boye Mafe (2022 - 2nd round pick)
OLB Tyreke Smith (2022 - 5th round pick)
CB Devon Witherspoon (2023 - 1st round pick)
EDGE Derick Hall (2023 - 2nd round pick)
Broncos got
QB Russell Wilson - Signed a five-year, $245 million contract extension following the trade
DL Eyioma Uwazurike (2022 - 4th round pick)
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years.
I've been hearing this, but what exactly does it mean?
Does it mean that, as far as the Broncos are concerned, the salary cap in 2024 is $212.9M, whereas for everyone else it's $255.4M (and then the same in 2025 but with the number going up a bit)?
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years.
I've been hearing this, but what exactly does it mean?
Does it mean that, as far as the Broncos are concerned, the salary cap in 2024 is $212.9M, whereas for everyone else it's $255.4M (and then the same in 2025 but with the number going up a bit)?
More or less. Dead money is simply cap money, in this case the guaranteed portion of Wilson's contract, for a player that's no longer on the team.
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years.
I've been hearing this, but what exactly does it mean?
Does it mean that, as far as the Broncos are concerned, the salary cap in 2024 is $212.9M, whereas for everyone else it's $255.4M (and then the same in 2025 but with the number going up a bit)?
It basically means that they still owe a player who no longer plays for them (Wilson) $85M over the next two years. They are stuck with having to pay that even though he is not on their roster. I think what you are saying is that that money counts against their salary cap, which it does. Their salary cap is the same as everyone else's, but they have to pay money to a player they no longer have, so they effectively have less money under the cap to spread around, if that makes sense.
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Apparently Russell Wilson has the first and fifth biggest dead cap hits in history, with a relatively paltry 26m hit when he left the Seahawks.
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Apparently Russell Wilson has the first and fifth biggest dead cap hits in history, with a relatively paltry 26m hit when he left the Seahawks.
Saw a tweet on that
Largest dead cap hits in NFL history:
Russell Wilson ($85M)
Matt Ryan ($40.53M)
Aaron Rodgers ($40.31M)
Carson Wentz ($33.8M)
Russell Wilson, again ($26M)
https://x.com/NanduriNFL/status/1764764148599009708?s=20 (https://x.com/NanduriNFL/status/1764764148599009708?s=20)
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years.
I've been hearing this, but what exactly does it mean?
Does it mean that, as far as the Broncos are concerned, the salary cap in 2024 is $212.9M, whereas for everyone else it's $255.4M (and then the same in 2025 but with the number going up a bit)?
It basically means that they still owe a player who no longer plays for them (Wilson) $85M over the next two years. They are stuck with having to pay that even though he is not on their roster. I think what you are saying is that that money counts against their salary cap, which it does. Their salary cap is the same as everyone else's, but they have to pay money to a player they no longer have, so they effectively have less money under the cap to spread around, if that makes sense.
Yeah...I don't really care that the team owes him the money. It's the cap hit that I care about. Basically, it's what I thought: a guy who isn't on the team anymore is taking up a ridiculous chunk of cap space. Sigh....
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Broncos have $85 million in dead money for the next two years.
I've been hearing this, but what exactly does it mean?
Does it mean that, as far as the Broncos are concerned, the salary cap in 2024 is $212.9M, whereas for everyone else it's $255.4M (and then the same in 2025 but with the number going up a bit)?
It basically means that they still owe a player who no longer plays for them (Wilson) $85M over the next two years. They are stuck with having to pay that even though he is not on their roster. I think what you are saying is that that money counts against their salary cap, which it does. Their salary cap is the same as everyone else's, but they have to pay money to a player they no longer have, so they effectively have less money under the cap to spread around, if that makes sense.
Yeah...I don't really care that the team owes him the money. It's the cap hit that I care about. Basically, it's what I thought: a guy who isn't on the team anymore is taking up a ridiculous chunk of cap space. Sigh....
Yeah, it's never ideal, but it's often the best option. If they were to keep him around they'd still be taking that cap hit. It wouldn't even be distributed any differently, as there were effectively 2 years left anyway. Plus, they'd actually have to pay him. By going this route they saved about 35m this year, and 55m next. This frees up a significant amount of capital and the cap hit is a wash.
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I wouldn't mind Wilson as a backup in Detroit.
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I wouldn't mind Wilson as a backup in Detroit.
For others - we've discussed this before, when a player gets guaranteed money, it must be put in an escrow account so the cap hit is in essence just a figure. I'm sure the Walton's would like to write the check (and they will) and be done with it but that figure stays on the books for whatever THAT duration is.
As for you emtee, that's not a bad idea at all!
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I wouldn't mind Wilson as a backup in Detroit.
For others - we've discussed this before, when a player gets guaranteed money, it must be put in an escrow account so the cap hit is in essence just a figure. I'm sure the Walton's would like to write the check (and they will) and be done with it but that figure stays on the books for whatever THAT duration is.
As for you emtee, that's not a bad idea at all!
Now that he's released.. they can't transfer any of that cap money to Detroit (or whomever) can they?
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I think if you trade a player to another team, whoever is paying the guaranteed money takes the cap hit. I don't know all the wizardry that goes behind the scenes for cap adjustments, I read that among the several threads regarding the cap hit yesterday.
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I wouldn't mind Wilson as a backup in Detroit.
For others - we've discussed this before, when a player gets guaranteed money, it must be put in an escrow account so the cap hit is in essence just a figure. I'm sure the Walton's would like to write the check (and they will) and be done with it but that figure stays on the books for whatever THAT duration is.
As for you emtee, that's not a bad idea at all!
Now that he's released.. they can't transfer any of that cap money to Detroit (or whomever) can they?
Wilson is now a free agent and can sign wherever. My understanding is that the team that signs him need only pay him the league minimum. However, I heard something on the radio this morning that suggested that most teams will give him more than the league minimum, which will give the Broncos a bit of cap relief (and, presumably, send some of the escrowed cash back to the team).
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I think if you trade a player to another team, whoever is paying the guaranteed money takes the cap hit. I don't know all the wizardry that goes behind the scenes for cap adjustments, I read that among the several threads regarding the cap hit yesterday.
Now that he's released.. they can't transfer any of that cap money to Detroit (or whomever) can they?
There actually is a roundabout sort of way of trading cap space, but it's not applicable here (simply because there's so much of it). There have been instances (Brock Osweiler being the most prominent) of teams trading a high-cap player AND picks to another team, who will then take on the contract and cap hit. They can then turn around and cut the player, if they wish. In Osweiler's case the Browns essentially bought a second round pick for 15m and a 10m cap hit. That's actually not a bad deal.
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El Barto. Remember how insane the Hershel Walker trade was?
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El Barto. Remember how insane the Hershel Walker trade was?
Certainly, but that was a different sort of deal. Vikings thought they were only one great RB away from a trophy, and Dallas was looking to stockpile picks. The cap didn't even exist at that point.
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Oh Definitely. I was just thinking of how much h they had to give up.
BTW, I remember Walker breaking a long run at Foxborough in overtime. Most memorable about that game was it was so cold that my propane froze while grilling.
Also, some chick got all the way down to just her panties. Security came, men were pissed thwy stopped her, and tumbled over their golf cart down a hill. Lol
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Oh Definitely. I was just thinking of how much h they had to give up.
BTW, I remember Walker breaking a long run at Foxborough in overtime. Most memorable about that game was it was so cold that my propane froze while grilling.
Also, some chick got all the way down to just her panties. Security came, men were pissed thwy stopped her, and tumbled over their golf cart down a hill. Lol
Until he became an opportunistic political dumbfuck I was a real big Herschel Walker fan. Guy was a beast (and probably still does 1k situps a day). I remember a game, might have been against the Skins, where Dallas was huge underdogs, and even more-so when Emmett got hurt during the week. Dallas signed (again) Herschel to start, and I picked them as an upset on that basis. Sure enough after having a relatively quiet game he turned a dump off pass into a 40 yd gain down the sideline setting up a walk-off field goal. I've long maintained that playing with heart is what separates good from great running backs, and very few people played with more heart than Walker. He was going to will the Cowboys to a win and I knew it.
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Those are the memories I cherish going to all those games for decades. The win against Miami after a 2 foot blizzard. Bruschi intercepted a pass and ran it in for a touchdown. He slide on his knees and we all started to throw snow up in the air. It looked magical.
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Texans revealing new uniforms next month. They sound interesting, especially with a touch of the Oilers blue.
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And. . . there goes McCorkle. I thought they might have kept him around as a backup, but I'm glad to see him go to a different environment. I'd have preferred a place where he might have competed for a starting gig, though.
Seems like NE is hell-bent to draft one of the QBs. Failing that they'll trade down. I'd prefer the second option, but drafting MHJr would certainly be the best move.
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Holy cow Chris Jones just made bank.
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And. . . there goes McCorkle. I thought they might have kept him around as a backup, but I'm glad to see him go to a different environment. I'd have preferred a place where he might have competed for a starting gig, though.
Seems like NE is hell-bent to draft one of the QBs. Failing that they'll trade down. I'd prefer the second option, but drafting MHJr would certainly be the best move.
A much needed change for both parties.
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In. Dolphins are your next SB champs, prove me wrong.
Just saw Terron Armstead is resigning with Miami. I was sure he was retiring.
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In. Dolphins are your next SB champs, prove me wrong.
NO chance!
There's your proof.
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NO, as in New Orleans? So we beat the Saints in the SB this year, nice proof TACK!
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Mac Jones to the Jags backup position.
Baker signing back with the Bucs.
Russel Wilson going to the Steelers.
The Dynasty doc with the Patriots seems to be very skewed against BB. I read that it was produced by the Kraft production house, which I guess would explain him being on there so much.
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Mac Jones to the Jags backup position.
Baker signing back with the Bucs.
Russel Wilson going to the Steelers.
The Dynasty doc with the Patriots seems to be very skewed against BB. I read that it was produced by the Kraft production house, which I guess would explain him being on there so much.
I haven't bothered with it, but it was produced by Brian Grazer and Ron Howard. Those two are certainly in the entertainment business, but they're always going maintain their objective bona fides. Definitely not a hit-piece. The reality is that from an outside perspective it's necessarily going to come across as anti-Belichick because he was and is the badguy by design. People have a hard time accepting that sometimes the badguy can be the hero, too.
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It’s a hit piece, Bart. And if it’s not, it’s certainly coming across that way.
And Kraft is FINALLY getting some blowback around here between this and the players’ survey.
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In. Dolphins are your next SB champs, prove me wrong.
*waves hand in the direction of history*
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It’s a hit piece, Bart. And if it’s not, it’s certainly coming across that way.
And Kraft is FINALLY getting some blowback around here between this and the players’ survey.
That's a surprise, honestly (about the hit piece). I assume it's glowing about Brady. Wonder if they'll mention the handjob in Florida. That'll be a good indicator.
From the way it's looking to me RKK seems to be slowly handing the thing over to Johnathan. JK certainly appears to have a hand in the forward direction of the thing, and I'm probably not going to like it much. Personally, I'm a big fan of RKK, and he'll probably be remembered less fondly than he should be.
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I should've just looked up the company credits on IMDB to see who was producing it, it was indeed Brian Glazer's company that is producing this. Found this article (https://deadline.com/2024/02/the-dynasty-new-england-patriots-brian-grazer-robert-kraft-tom-brady-1235826830/)on it that talks on the friendship of Kraft and Glazer and how Kraft essentially said someone was making this but I'd like you to do it.
I don't know if they're going to talk about the handjob with 2 episodes left, so far Kraft has only admitted to being wrong on Aaron Hernandez. The BB slants at first just seemed nothing at first but the later episodes almost every episode has something or the other against him.
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
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I should've just looked up the company credits on IMDB to see who was producing it, it was indeed Brian Glazer's company that is producing this. Found this article (https://deadline.com/2024/02/the-dynasty-new-england-patriots-brian-grazer-robert-kraft-tom-brady-1235826830/)on it that talks on the friendship of Kraft and Glazer and how Kraft essentially said someone was making this but I'd like you to do it.
I don't know if they're going to talk about the handjob with 2 episodes left, so far Kraft has only admitted to being wrong on Aaron Hernandez. The BB slants at first just seemed nothing at first but the later episodes almost every episode has something or the other against him.
Yeah, that really does sound like they're making a fluff piece. That's a shame; I'd a lot of respect for Imagine Entertainment. If Grazer is that tight with both RKK and TB12 it's going to be hard to make Belichick anything but the Grinch (which he already kind of is).
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I haven't seen it, either, but your premise is flawed. Even if they report things he actually said and did, if they only report the stuff that makes him look bad then it's still a hit piece. You can report a very accurate series of events, but if you only report one side then it's not an accurate portrayal. Look no further than FOX to see how that plays out in practice.
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I haven't seen it, either, but your premise is flawed. Even if they report things he actually said and did, if they only report the stuff that makes him look bad then it's still a hit piece. You can report a very accurate series of events, but if you only report one side then it's not an accurate portrayal. Look no further than FOX to see how that plays out in practice.
Depends on the focus of the story. And I don't know, again, because I haven't seen it.
If they are only portraying one event or period of time, and in that one event he looks bad and didn't do anything good, then that's the outcome. If they are claiming to present a career retrospective, or extended length of time, but don't portray any good stuff that he actually did during that span, then yeah, that's probably a hit piece. Is that what this is? I have no clue.
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I haven't seen it, either, but your premise is flawed. Even if they report things he actually said and did, if they only report the stuff that makes him look bad then it's still a hit piece. You can report a very accurate series of events, but if you only report one side then it's not an accurate portrayal. Look no further than FOX to see how that plays out in practice.
Depends on the focus of the story. And I don't know, again, because I haven't seen it.
If they are only portraying one event or period of time, and in that one event he looks bad and didn't do anything good, then that's the outcome. If they are claiming to present a career retrospective, or extended length of time, but don't portray any good stuff that he actually did during that span, then yeah, that's probably a hit piece. Is that what this is? I have no clue.
Well, it's called The Dynasty. :lol
Like you, I haven't seen it either, but it's a retrospective of the 02-18 seasons and all that came within. From the way it looks it's done in traditional Imagine style, which is to say a series of episodes covering specific stories during that era. Aaron Hernandez is apparently an entire episode, for example. With that style, there are two different avenues for bias. You can only tell stories you want to tell, and you can tell those stories from a singular point of view.
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I haven't seen it, either, but your premise is flawed. Even if they report things he actually said and did, if they only report the stuff that makes him look bad then it's still a hit piece. You can report a very accurate series of events, but if you only report one side then it's not an accurate portrayal. Look no further than FOX to see how that plays out in practice.
And MSNBC!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I don't think it's a "hit job" of a documentary, there are a lot of interesting things in there, I found the early years the most informative. To their credit they also have a lot of relevant people interviewed from each time period including opponents etc. I'm just saying they don't make BB look pretty. He's painted in a light that goes beyond his normal hoodieness. Oh Aaron was a punk in his rookie year? BB didn't say anything to him. Oh Brady deflated balls? BB threw him under the bus. You're taping other opponent's signals? Lets show Kraft calling BB a schmuck for doing that. So things like that.
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I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but if they report on stuff that BB actually said or did that make him look bad, that doesn't necessarily make it a "hit job." That just means that he said and did things that make him look bad.
I haven't seen it, either, but your premise is flawed. Even if they report things he actually said and did, if they only report the stuff that makes him look bad then it's still a hit piece. You can report a very accurate series of events, but if you only report one side then it's not an accurate portrayal. Look no further than FOX to see how that plays out in practice.
Depends on the focus of the story. And I don't know, again, because I haven't seen it.
If they are only portraying one event or period of time, and in that one event he looks bad and didn't do anything good, then that's the outcome. If they are claiming to present a career retrospective, or extended length of time, but don't portray any good stuff that he actually did during that span, then yeah, that's probably a hit piece. Is that what this is? I have no clue.
Well, it's called The Dynasty. :lol
Like you, I haven't seen it either, but it's a retrospective of the 02-18 seasons and all that came within. From the way it looks it's done in traditional Imagine style, which is to say a series of episodes covering specific stories during that era. Aaron Hernandez is apparently an entire episode, for example. With that style, there are two different avenues for bias. You can only tell stories you want to tell, and you can tell those stories from a singular point of view.
And I think you're right about what you said above, too. Belichick was always set up as the bad guy from day one. It was a very synergistic setup in that way and not one that is either easily explained or understood by outsiders unless you lived it. Organizations like this, the ones that operate at a high level anyway, are not like a nuclear family or a small friend group.
It's a shame, really, because I think it undermines that in many ways - including this willingness to play his role - he was the most important cog in the wheel.
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Belichick was always set up as the bad guy from day one.
Wasn't that a bit of a self-inflicted wound? At least, judging from his public persona?
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Belichick was always set up as the bad guy from day one.
Wasn't that a bit of a self-inflicted wound? At least, judging from his public persona?
Kind of. Jerry Glanville set himself up as a badguy. He created that persona. I think Bill just always maintained and presented a football-first mentality, and that was off-putting. Not to mention his total lack of fucks to give what others thought. He never really sought out that public image, but didn't run from it. Like all good coaches he certainly cultivated a business first attitude within the team, though, so from that standpoint it was by design. A lot of players really resented him. Plenty of others really appreciated his attitude, though.
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Belichick was always set up as the bad guy from day one.
Wasn't that a bit of a self-inflicted wound? At least, judging from his public persona?
Kind of. Jerry Glanville set himself up as a badguy. He created that persona. I think Bill just always maintained and presented a football-first mentality, and that was off-putting. Not to mention his total lack of fucks to give what others thought. He never really sought out that public image, but didn't run from it. Like all good coaches he certainly cultivated a business first attitude within the team, though, so from that standpoint it was by design. A lot of players really resented him. Plenty of others really appreciated his attitude, though.
And they ALL loved the rings.
I don't think it was really a "self-inflicted wound" in that way; I mean, it was by design, and it was his design, but I think he saw his peers - the Parcells, the Landry's, the Ditka's, the Cowher's - move out of coaching and it was understood that's one of the ways you won. In this 2024 hyper-sensitive, hyper-defensive mindset I don't think anyone - myself included - saw it backfiring in that way.
Personally? I think it's an American crime how Bill Belichick is being treated these last two years. He should be if not an American hero, at least a FOOTBALL hero, and that's not the case. I think it's a shame and a sad indictment on us and our society.
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Belichick was always set up as the bad guy from day one.
Wasn't that a bit of a self-inflicted wound? At least, judging from his public persona?
Kind of. Jerry Glanville set himself up as a badguy. He created that persona. I think Bill just always maintained and presented a football-first mentality, and that was off-putting. Not to mention his total lack of fucks to give what others thought. He never really sought out that public image, but didn't run from it. Like all good coaches he certainly cultivated a business first attitude within the team, though, so from that standpoint it was by design. A lot of players really resented him. Plenty of others really appreciated his attitude, though.
And they ALL loved the rings.
I don't think it was really a "self-inflicted wound" in that way; I mean, it was by design, and it was his design, but I think he saw his peers - the Parcells, the Landry's, the Ditka's, the Cowher's - move out of coaching and it was understood that's one of the ways you won. In this 2024 hyper-sensitive, hyper-defensive mindset I don't think anyone - myself included - saw it backfiring in that way.
Personally? I think it's an American crime how Bill Belichick is being treated these last two years. He should be if not an American hero, at least a FOOTBALL hero, and that's not the case. I think it's a shame and a sad indictment on us and our society.
How do you want him to be treated? Every time his name comes up, people refer to him as the greatest NFL coach of all time, which is true, as far as I can tell.
Not everyone likes him, but that's largely because he isn't likable. Not sure what else you mean as far as "how he's treated".
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Personally? I think it's an American crime how Bill Belichick is being treated these last two years. He should be if not an American hero, at least a FOOTBALL hero, and that's not the case. I think it's a shame and a sad indictment on us and our society.
He is a football hero, but does that mean he cannot be criticized for what went on here the last few years?
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Cousins is my hero. Wish I could make bank like that.
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Cousins is my hero. Wish I could make bank like that.
100 mil guaranteed for 4 years. Guy's making bank for sure.
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Not everyone likes him, but that's largely because he isn't likable. Not sure what else you mean as far as "how he's treated".
Yeah, the unlikeablity is certainly part of it. For my part, I think people recognize him as one of the greats, but there always has to be a sort of asterisk next to him because of the silly Brady vs Belichick debate. I'm not going to speak for Stadler, but I'd say that if he is treated unfairly it's because of that point. Landry and Shula never had to address having numerous HOF quarterbacks supporting them, but it somehow seems to make Bill less worthy.
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Not everyone likes him, but that's largely because he isn't likable. Not sure what else you mean as far as "how he's treated".
Yeah, the unlikeablity is certainly part of it. For my part, I think people recognize him as one of the greats, but there always has to be a sort of asterisk next to him because of the silly Brady vs Belichick debate. I'm not going to speak for Stadler, but I'd say that if he is treated unfairly it's because of that point. Landry and Shula never had to address having numerous HOF quarterbacks supporting them, but it somehow seems to make Bill less worthy.
That's part of it. Maybe it's that there's been no honeymoon period. He was unceremoniously let go after two bad seasons, and not even given the chance to correct the mistakes that weren't solely his to begin with (I know, I know, I just don't agree with the general wisdom).
When Landry was let go, it was as if Jerry blew his nose in the Shroud of Turin. He only survived that because of Jimmy Johnson. We're not moving into the "Jimmy Johnson" era in Foxboro.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
I'm shocked Vrabel wasn't hired.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
I'm not terribly surprised by that. The number of teams that would hire a 70+ YO coach is pretty low, and some of the teams that ere bandied about weren't good fits (including Atlanta). The only place that made sense was Dallas, and perhaps Buffalo, and they both stayed pat. At this point in his career he's a coach to get a team over a hump, rather than start anew.
To that end, I'm looking forward to seeing Dallas collapse spectacularly.
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In. Dolphins are your next SB champs, prove me wrong.
*waves hand in the direction of history*
Yeah, right :(
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Pats sign Jacoby Brissett.
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Pats sign Jacoby Brissett.
Brissett, like Tyrod Taylor, is better than many current starting QBs.
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Pats sign Jacoby Brissett.
Brissett, like Tyrod Taylor, is better than many current starting QBs.
Should have signed him last year. They'd have been a far better team. Signing him now seems odd, since they're essentially bringing him in to be a mentor. Maybe that's a good role for him, I don't know, but it seems like there should be better.
I'm glad to see they signed Onewenu, though. Kid's one of the most useful OL in the league.
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I've always liked Brissett. That should be a good pickup for them.
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I always wondered why Bill traded both Jimmy G and Brissett in the same season.
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I always wondered why Bill traded both Jimmy G and Brissett in the same season.
For the same reason as other questionable decisions he's made in the last several years.
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I always wondered why Bill traded both Jimmy G and Brissett in the same season.
He traded Garopollo because Brady's a whiny little bitch, and he traded Brissett because he was more valuable as trade bait than a backup QB. In that way he was just like Matt Cassel.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
I'm not terribly surprised by that. The number of teams that would hire a 70+ YO coach is pretty low, and some of the teams that ere bandied about weren't good fits (including Atlanta). The only place that made sense was Dallas, and perhaps Buffalo, and they both stayed pat. At this point in his career he's a coach to get a team over a hump, rather than start anew.
To that end, I'm looking forward to seeing Dallas collapse spectacularly.
As long as Jerry Jones is in charge, he's the face of the franchise which is why I think BB to Dallas will never happen.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
I'm not terribly surprised by that. The number of teams that would hire a 70+ YO coach is pretty low, and some of the teams that ere bandied about weren't good fits (including Atlanta). The only place that made sense was Dallas, and perhaps Buffalo, and they both stayed pat. At this point in his career he's a coach to get a team over a hump, rather than start anew.
To that end, I'm looking forward to seeing Dallas collapse spectacularly.
As long as Jerry Jones is in charge, he's the face of the franchise which is why I think BB to Dallas will never happen.
Yep, it'd seem you're correct. And for that he'll never win another ring, and that's what he deserves.
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I always wondered why Bill traded both Jimmy G and Brissett in the same season.
He traded Garopollo because Brady's a whiny little bitch, and he traded Brissett because he was more valuable as trade bait than a backup QB. In that way he was just like Matt Cassel.
For Dorsett. Yeah, now I remember. I forgot about that. You know what though, Jimmy G was too injury prone. The bitch was more durable.
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I always wondered why Bill traded both Jimmy G and Brissett in the same season.
He traded Garopollo because Brady's a whiny little bitch, and he traded Brissett because he was more valuable as trade bait than a backup QB. In that way he was just like Matt Cassel.
For Dorsett. Yeah, now I remember. I forgot about that. You know what though, Jimmy G was too injury prone. The bitch was more durable.
Who, ironically, The Bitch wouldn't throw the ball to. :lol
In retrospect keeping BBB was the right move, but how many times had people assumed that he was done? Remember how hard he was sucking before they headed to Cincinnati?
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:lol
Yup. LOL
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Plenty of RB movement yesterday and today.
Derrick Henry now with the Ravens.
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Derrick Henry now with the Ravens.
Saw that.
That's pretty huge.
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Derrick Henry now with the Ravens.
Saw that.
That's pretty huge.
Wow, that IS huge.
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More evidence that the motto of the NFL is "What have you done for me lately?" I was equally shocked that Vrabel was let go in Tennessee after being Coach of the Year just a couple of years ago.
And no takers anywhere else!! I thought he'd be hired in a week, tops. Nope.
I'm shocked Vrabel wasn't hired.
For the most part, Titans fans (myself included) were neither shocked nor disappointed at his departure. He is without question a very good leader, motivator, and preparer. A "leader of men," as was trumpeted by the organization when he was hired. He was also an excellent game manager (clock decisions, situational awareness, rules expertise, etc.). And when he had good staff around him executing the overall vision, he was amongst the very best coaches in football.
Vrabel's achilles heel, though, was his pattern of only hiring his buddies or former contacts/collaborators into just about all the positions around him. And when anyone having success (Matt LeFleur, Arthur Smith, Dean Pees, etc.) was unsurprisingly hired away or retired, he'd almost always hire/promote from within (sometimes with disastrous results, such as their ridiculously unqualified and disastrous offense line coach Jason Houghtaling), or bring someone mediocre/terrible he'd known from somewhere he'd been before (usually traceable to Ohio State or Houston Texans). At first, when things started going horribly wrong after Arthur Smith left, we (fans) were definitely placing the blame at various asst coaches' feet (offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, etc.). But eventually, when those coaches (and the team) just kept dong the same things over and over without success, with literally NO in-game or post-halftime adjustments, or week-to-week improvement, fans got crazy frustrated. The real kicker, though, was how those assts were never called to account for it, no changes were made, and how Vrabel would be outright antagonistic towards any press suggestions that there might be some coaching or scheme or game-planning or play-calling issues. That was the turning point where it was made pretty clear to everyone regularly following the Titans where the real problem was. The buck stops with the head coach. If he won't take responsibility (and make changes in response to) the shortcomings of his support staff, then he becomes the problem.
This exact same thing, incidentally, is what did in Mike Mularkey at the same franchise, which directly led to Vrabel's hiring in the first place. Mularkey changed the culture in Tennessee from years of losing to a winning culture (even won a playoff game in his last season!), but was subsequently fired after the season because he wasn't willing to replace his blatantly under-performing assistant coaches. So, he was shown the door. Just like Vrabel several years later.
So the Titans moved on and hired Callahan from Cincinnati (a hire I quite like, by the way, though obviously it remains to be seen how it goes), and now it is BLATANTLY obvious what his mandate is. He has assembled highly qualified assistant coaches from all kinds of places, and has been preaching nothing but versatility, collaboration, and major scheme shifts from what has happened the past 2-3 years under Vrabel.
Vrabel is not a bad coach- and he can be absolutely outstanding. He WAS the best coach in the league for a couple years, especially when you consider the *insane* injury issues Titans had in back-to-back seasons and their crazy success nonetheless. But he's incredibly stubborn, resistant to change, and loyal to a fault to his previous hires/decisions. Fans (and the franchise) wanted (and glaringly needed) changes in his assistants and their plans/calls/teaching, and when that never ever happened eventually Vrabel had to answer for it. Fairly self-inflicted, actually.
I'm not shocked he wasn't hired elsewhere. I think many GMs and owners didn't love his playstyle, and defensive-background HCs are certainly not all the rage right now. Of course they can be successful (Belichick, etc.), but they HAVE to have great offensive coaches and staff (not to mention QBs!), and Vrabel has struggled mightily in those areas recently.
I think he'll get (and fully deserves) another shot for sure. But Tennessee was right to make this change right now.
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Interesting take.
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Derrick Henry now with the Ravens.
The football gods continue to hate Tennessee fans.
There is no team more hated in Titans franchise history than the Baltimore Ravens. Bad blood everywhere, going all the way back to 2001. Yet, cruelly, so many Titans greats ended up leaving Tennessee and playing for the Ravens. Steve McNair, Derrick Mason, Greg Montgomery, Samari Rolle, and now.. King Henry.
Totally understand why Henry and the Titans have to split this year. Sad for everyone, but what's necessary for all. Plenty of love from every direction, despite the change. And we all want The King to go win a Super Bowl somewhere, and then someday do his Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Two Tone Blue. But why, WHY, Football Gods, does it have to go be with the freaking Baltimore Rat Birds?!??!
Literally the worst possible place for Titans fans.
All that said, I hope Henry still rushes for 2,000 yards next year... and the Ravens go 0-17.
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Derrick Henry now with the Ravens.
The football gods continue to hate Tennessee fans.
There is no team more hated in Titans franchise history than the Baltimore Ravens. Bad blood everywhere, going all the way back to 2001. Yet, cruelly, so many Titans greats ended up leaving Tennessee and playing for the Ravens. Steve McNair, Derrick Mason, Greg Montgomery, Samari Rolle, and now.. King Henry.
Totally understand why Henry and the Titans have to split this year. Sad for everyone, but what's necessary for all. Plenty of love from every direction, despite the change. And we all want The King to go win a Super Bowl somewhere, and then someday do his Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Two Tone Blue. But why, WHY, Football Gods, does it have to go be with the freaking Baltimore Rat Birds?!??!
Literally the worst possible place for Titans fans.
All that said, I hope Henry still rushes for 2,000 yards next year... and the Ravens go 0-17.
I'm going to give you a pat on the back and try to sooth your pain - There, there.....there there......
:)
But as a Cowboys fan, I feel your pain brah!
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Josh Uche took a massive pay cut to stay in New England. I always like seeing that. Seems like all players care about nowadays is squeezing out every last dollar over all else. Some times I can get that and others not so much. Interestingly, in this situation he should have taken the bigger deal (11m guaranteed for 2 years, vs 2.3m for 1 year in NE). He's not guaranteed a huge payday later on. Moreover, if that's all NE would give him now I'm not sure he can expect more next year. In any case, I appreciate the dude sticking to his values, which appears to be what he's done.
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Josh Uche took a massive pay cut to stay in New England. I always like seeing that. Seems like all players care about nowadays is squeezing out every last dollar over all else. Some times I can get that and others not so much. Interestingly, in this situation he should have taken the bigger deal (11m guaranteed for 2 years, vs 2.3m for 1 year in NE). He's not guaranteed a huge payday later on. Moreover, if that's all NE would give him now I'm not sure he can expect more next year. In any case, I appreciate the dude sticking to his values, which appears to be what he's done.
If he's taking much less now, with probably no more coming later, what good is he doing himself or his family? Just curious. I don't know the situation, but I generally am on the side of players getting every dollar they can WHILE they can, because teams don't feel any remorse when they cut or refuse to re-sign them.
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Josh Uche took a massive pay cut to stay in New England. I always like seeing that. Seems like all players care about nowadays is squeezing out every last dollar over all else. Some times I can get that and others not so much. Interestingly, in this situation he should have taken the bigger deal (11m guaranteed for 2 years, vs 2.3m for 1 year in NE). He's not guaranteed a huge payday later on. Moreover, if that's all NE would give him now I'm not sure he can expect more next year. In any case, I appreciate the dude sticking to his values, which appears to be what he's done.
According to Bert Breer, it's 3 mil and up to 8 with incentives
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Josh Uche took a massive pay cut to stay in New England. I always like seeing that. Seems like all players care about nowadays is squeezing out every last dollar over all else. Some times I can get that and others not so much. Interestingly, in this situation he should have taken the bigger deal (11m guaranteed for 2 years, vs 2.3m for 1 year in NE). He's not guaranteed a huge payday later on. Moreover, if that's all NE would give him now I'm not sure he can expect more next year. In any case, I appreciate the dude sticking to his values, which appears to be what he's done.
If he's taking much less now, with probably no more coming later, what good is he doing himself or his family? Just curious. I don't know the situation, but I generally am on the side of players getting every dollar they can WHILE they can, because teams don't feel any remorse when they cut or refuse to re-sign them.
I don't know the guy, so I can't say for sure. Two things I can say, though: One is that he's investing in himself. He missed a couple of games last year. He wasn't playing opposite Judon. The D was put in unwinnable situations. He's still pretty young, and a better season this year might easily turn 11m over two years into 30m over 3. Second is that he's playing where he wants to play, and that matters. With incentives and the entirety of his rookie contract he'll have made upwards of 8m so far. It's not like he's jeopardizing his family's future by doing what he wants to do.
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Whatever he wants to do is fine with me.
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Josh Uche took a massive pay cut to stay in New England. I always like seeing that. Seems like all players care about nowadays is squeezing out every last dollar over all else. Some times I can get that and others not so much. Interestingly, in this situation he should have taken the bigger deal (11m guaranteed for 2 years, vs 2.3m for 1 year in NE). He's not guaranteed a huge payday later on. Moreover, if that's all NE would give him now I'm not sure he can expect more next year. In any case, I appreciate the dude sticking to his values, which appears to be what he's done.
According to Bert Breer, it's 3 mil and up to 8 with incentives
2.3 is guaranteed. The other .7 comes from incentives he's likely to attain. His cap number is just under 3m, and cap numbers include incentives that a player is predicted to achieve (that .7). If he has an all-pro year he might well get that incentive money, but it's a far cry from the guaranteed check he was offered (which probably also included plenty of incentive money).
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I'm pretty fascinated by all the free agent signings. By the time we get past the draft there should be a ton of shake-up on who people think the real power player teams are and probably a ton of hot takes on predicted playoff teams.
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It’s a hit piece, Bart. And if it’s not, it’s certainly coming across that way.
And Kraft is FINALLY getting some blowback around here between this and the players’ survey.
Every week when the press starts reporting the highlights it seems to sound more and more like a hatchet job. I expect the next two installments to be about Belichick sacrificing babies to earn Lucifer's favour.
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From what I read, it is.
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It’s a hit piece, Bart. And if it’s not, it’s certainly coming across that way.
And Kraft is FINALLY getting some blowback around here between this and the players’ survey.
Every week when the press starts reporting the highlights it seems to sound more and more like a hatchet job. I expect the next two installments to be about Belichick sacrificing babies to earn Lucifer's favour.
I have one more episode left, but episode 9 was a total dump on Bill episode from anyone and everyone. Gronk, Slater, Amendola, Butler, McCourty, Kraft, various reporters, all laid it out on Bill for sitting Malcolm out in the superbowl and various other things. Some probably right.
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I read the quote today from Kraft and it was brutal (about putting emotions ahead of the team). Fucking A.
And Tomlin fans on Pittsburgh's high-draft pick QB, bring on their version of "Cam Newton" and... business as usual.
Bill deserves so much better.
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Bill deserves so much better.
Kraft is a fucking snake. Always has been. And Bill does deserve better than getting skewered BUT... Bill has really fucked himself over the last few years running the team. He should've been fired, but respectfully so.
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I disagree. Bill did not adapt to the culture happening. Brady was the team and he constantly didn't adjust to him. The top 3 players revolted which Bill needed to continue his culture, but he fought back. In the end, he got what he wanted and went, 25-38.
It's on Bill.
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Can we put all the blame on both Bill and Brady? Asking as an unbiased observer :biggrin:
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Okay fine. Say you’re right. Do you keep throwing the guy under the bus continually in the months afterward? Or do you move on gracefully and with class? It’s maybe the one mistake he made in 50 years of coaching for fuck’s sake. It’s like Kraft is a little kid trying to justify his move.
(… and a little premature on the Timlin comment. Pickett for Fields, with Wilson as mentor, is a nice upgrade.)
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Okay fine. Say you’re right. Do you keep throwing the guy under the bus continually in the months afterward? Or do you move on gracefully and with class? It’s maybe the one mistake he made in 50 years of coaching for fuck’s sake. It’s like Kraft is a little kid trying to justify his move.
Well, it's more than one mistake. You can't drive a team into the ground like he has with one mistake.
That said, I'm 100% with you on Kraft. There's no such thing as Patriot Place without Brady AND Belichick. The "class" of Robert Kraft has always been a charade. And it's his own vanity that is finally opening people's eyes to it.
Robert Kraft was well within his right to dismiss Belichick. It was time, no matter how anyone feels about either of them. But he should've showered Bill with Thank Yous and not Fuck Yous on his way out the door.
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💯 Tim.
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As a Bears fan, let's just say I am expecting the worst. Fields has the ability to be a beast. He needs the right coach and players around him. He needed an O-line. Trade him away for essentially nothing. Never in my life have the Bears had a true franchise QB. Something in my gut tells me that whoever they draft with be another bust (for them).
The upside, I have also been a Steelers fan my whole life. I think he stands a chance under Tomlin.
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A ways back I was pretty cool with TB12. Joe, unintentionally I suspect, convinced me that he was actually a whiny little bitch. It definitely seems to have turned out to be the case. Never let it be said that I can't change my POV with these people. I also never really agreed with the assessment that Bob Kraft was a sleazy little fuck, though TAC's certainly been of this opinion. Generally speaking I'm alright with the guy. This Dynasty thing is convincing me otherwise, though. It's only been a couple of months, and the dude's already trying very hard to shit all over Belichick's legacy after 20 year run of greatness.
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Tim comes off the best of the 3. Kraft was letting their private discussions out in the open. Bill still being Bill when asked about benching Butler.
Seeing how the players were really upset With Bill in 2017 was surprising though there were rumblings about that back then.
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Tim comes off the best of the 3.
I sure as hell do! :lol
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Auto correct! :lol
Tom. Lol
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As a person who has hated the Patriots for years, it does my heart good to see all the Patriots fans here finally hate the Patriots as well lol
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Okay fine. Say you’re right. Do you keep throwing the guy under the bus continually in the months afterward? Or do you move on gracefully and with class? It’s maybe the one mistake he made in 50 years of coaching for fuck’s sake. It’s like Kraft is a little kid trying to justify his move.
Well, it's more than one mistake. You can't drive a team into the ground like he has with one mistake.
We are fundamentally at odds here; I don't see any landscape where Bill "drove a team into the ground". He had two bad seasons, and we don't know - yet - what the real cause of Mac Jones' implosion was*, and if it was due to Bill, what the reasoning/rationale was behind the decisions he made. I mean, Bill is a guy who's strategy was never EVER limited to between the white lines. We do not know, for example, if he DID metaphorical "tank" the season to get the high draft pick. Some of you are acting like Bill - a football genius by even his enemies' standard - forgot everything he knew about football in the space of a month. He's leaving Mayo and Co. with a number three pick in a draft that is talent rich. Fucking loser, amirite!!! :)
That said, I'm 100% with you on Kraft. There's no such thing as Patriot Place without Brady AND Belichick. The "class" of Robert Kraft has always been a charade. And it's his own vanity that is finally opening people's eyes to it.
Robert Kraft was well within his right to dismiss Belichick. It was time, no matter how anyone feels about either of them. But he should've showered Bill with Thank Yous and not Fuck Yous on his way out the door.
I have no beef with the moving on, and you're right; he was well within his rights. I don't like it, but I understand it. I can absolutely see wanting a coach that can and will commit for a decade before you draft a stud quarterback. Totally get it. Cowboys did that with Landry and Johnson. Genius. But the right answer isn't to then try to paint every ill of the team on the loser asshole that was here before and pick nits to find stuff to be able to say "drove his team into the ground".
* I am nothing if not a libertarian; Mac Jones is responsible for his arm, his legs, and his brain, not Bill B. Bill O., Matt P., or Josh M. That interception against the Colts was on Mac Jones, period, just like that stupid fumble from Cam Newton against Buffalo was on him (how a 10 year vet doesn't know to carry the ball in his weak side hand is beyond me). No coaching in the world could have prevented those mistakes from happening, short of a repeat of that other Buffalo game when Mac threw the ball three times. I think Bill knew before all of us that Mac wasn't the guy, and did the best he could to make something of it. Who else was he going to get in mid-season? And he acquiesced to the outside pressure to bring in O'Brien and even HE couldn't make something of the kid. C'mon.
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3 bad seasons. He didn't draft well from 2019 on.
He pushed Brady out the door.
He definitely messed up not having a secession plan when pushing Brady out the door.
When you are in charge of it all, it always falls at your feet.
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3 bad seasons. He didn't draft well from 2019 on.
He pushed Brady out the door.
He definitely messed up not having a secession plan when pushing Brady out the door.
When you are in charge of it all, it always falls at your feet.
I think it's simplifying things to say "he pushed Brady out the door". I think this was not all Belichick's doing, and it wasn't all in his hands.
And he HAD a plan; interim guy with Newton and then Mac Jones. No one knew Mac was going to shit his pants on field. So Belichick has to be PERFECT to get his due? And not even have a chance to cure the problem?
I don't disagree with it that "it all falls at your feet", but now that he's no longer there, it's a CHOICE to focus on the good things or the bad things, and I think now, some in a position to drive the narrative are not only focusing on the negative, but are seemingly going out of their way to FIND things to be negative about. Okay, so Danny Amendola feels "betrayed" about Malcolm Butler. So? Who decided that Danny Amendola gets to set the standard about how we feel? I don't know what went on with Butler and neither do you.
And the draft is starting to be a one of those Mandela effect things (is that what it's called?). This has the Pats as having a top 10 draft record over the last 20-some-odd years (https://jaydpauley.medium.com/analysis-of-nfl-teams-drafting-effectiveness-from-2000-2020-by-comparing-player-performance-b0d79760af13). ACTUAL STATS, not perception.
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As a person who has hated the Patriots for years, it does my heart good to see all the Patriots fans here finally hate the Patriots as well lol
I can't say "hate", but I really don't like the organization right now. I wish the Gints had something better than Daniel Jones, because I'd go back to being a Giants fan.
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As a person who has hated the Patriots for years, it does my heart good to see all the Patriots fans here finally hate the Patriots as well lol
I can't say "hate", but I really don't like the organization right now. I wish the Gints had something better than Daniel Jones, because I'd go back to being a Giants fan.
Typical Connecticut response. :lol
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3 bad seasons. He didn't draft well from 2019 on.
He pushed Brady out the door.
He definitely messed up not having a secession plan when pushing Brady out the door.
When you are in charge of it all, it always falls at your feet.
I think it's simplifying things to say "he pushed Brady out the door". I think this was not all Belichick's doing, and it wasn't all in his hands.
And he HAD a plan; interim guy with Newton and then Mac Jones. No one knew Mac was going to shit his pants on field. So Belichick has to be PERFECT to get his due? And not even have a chance to cure the problem?
I don't disagree with it that "it all falls at your feet", but now that he's no longer there, it's a CHOICE to focus on the good things or the bad things, and I think now, some in a position to drive the narrative are not only focusing on the negative, but are seemingly going out of their way to FIND things to be negative about. Okay, so Danny Amendola feels "betrayed" about Malcolm Butler. So? Who decided that Danny Amendola gets to set the standard about how we feel? I don't know what went on with Butler and neither do you.
And the draft is starting to be a one of those Mandela effect things (is that what it's called?). This has the Pats as having a top 10 draft record over the last 20-some-odd years (https://jaydpauley.medium.com/analysis-of-nfl-teams-drafting-effectiveness-from-2000-2020-by-comparing-player-performance-b0d79760af13). ACTUAL STATS, not perception.
I still think it was inevitable that Brady would want to strike out on his own. I also think that King is right that he's a whiny little bitch.
As for Bill's drafting, I think it's rough because it doesn't jibe with the standard metric. His early picks, where you want them to be hits are often misses. Usually misses towards the end. At the same time I don't think there's any GM as good at finding the later round picks and UFAs. Michael Onwenu was a sixth round pick, yet he was the most sought after O lineman in the league this year. I'm not so bothered about crappy first rounders if you get first round talent in the 6th round. Or pull it out of your ass after the draft. While I do not think it's evened out, not even close, it does make his drafts better than they seem at first glance. We judge him by the N'Keal Harry's without even looking at the Jacobi Meyers's (who didn't even cost a pick).
Unrelated--I just watched a video of all of McCorkle's interceptions over 3 years, and holy shit did the wheels fall off of that kid. Looked like damn near all of his picks in 2021 hit receivers in the hands and got tipped. By 2023 he's throwing balls to empty space, or right to LBs and Ss looking for the ball. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it doesn't matter who's calling plays if your QB is throwing the ball 10yds behind his receivers.
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Nobody but Belichick knows what went on with Butler. LOL
I agree with the later picks El Barto but you do pay more money on the higher draft picks which has been very spotty the last 4 years.
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Nobody but Belichick knows what went on with Butler. LOL
I agree with the later picks El Barto but you do pay more money on the higher draft picks which has been very spotty the last 4 years.
Like I clearly said, it doesn't even out. It does, however, make those drafts better than people think they were. People only focus on the first one or two rounds, and he whiffed on plenty of those. They don't focus on later rounds where a good scout can find real talent.
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When you have big misses like N'Keal Harry as an example it's hard not to think he failed. But Harris in the 3rd was a good pick.
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Nobody but Belichick knows what went on with Butler. LOL
I agree with the later picks El Barto but you do pay more money on the higher draft picks which has been very spotty the last 4 years.
Like I clearly said, it doesn't even out. It does, however, make those drafts better than people think they were. People only focus on the first one or two rounds, and he whiffed on plenty of those. They don't focus on later rounds where a good scout can find real talent.
I think if you look at most team's drafts, they are probably all pretty similar. I don't think Bill's drafts are really all that different than most teams.
Bill is an excellent coach and teacher, so he's gotten the most out of a number of guys in the back half and of guys not drafted.
We judge him by the N'Keal Harry's without even looking at the Jacobi Meyers's (who didn't even cost a pick).
Is this the same Jakobi Myers that he wouldn't resign for just a million more and matched the Raiders in favor of paying a useless Juju much more than what Myers would've cost him?
And the draft is starting to be a one of those Mandela effect things (is that what it's called?). This has the Pats as having a top 10 draft record over the last 20-some-odd years (https://jaydpauley.medium.com/analysis-of-nfl-teams-drafting-effectiveness-from-2000-2020-by-comparing-player-performance-b0d79760af13). ACTUAL STATS, not perception.
How about narrowing it down to the last 10 years? Isn't it the 2021 draft where there's nobody left?
Didn't they just hand out the first second contract in like 8 years?
* I am nothing if not a libertarian; Mac Jones is responsible for his arm, his legs, and his brain, not Bill B. Bill O., Matt P., or Josh M. That interception against the Colts was on Mac Jones, period, just like that stupid fumble from Cam Newton against Buffalo was on him (how a 10 year vet doesn't know to carry the ball in his weak side hand is beyond me). No coaching in the world could have prevented those mistakes from happening, short of a repeat of that other Buffalo game when Mac threw the ball three times. I think Bill knew before all of us that Mac wasn't the guy, and did the best he could to make something of it. Who else was he going to get in mid-season? And he acquiesced to the outside pressure to bring in O'Brien and even HE couldn't make something of the kid. C'mon.
Like all things related to the last 6-8 years of the Patriots drama, fault does not lie with one party 100%. But I do think when Mac grows up and looks back, he'll likely regret not taking advantage of the opportunity he had. He was still QB1, and he really threw it away..
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We judge him by the N'Keal Harry's without even looking at the Jacobi Meyers's (who didn't even cost a pick).
Is this the same Jakobi Myers that he wouldn't resign for just a million more and matched the Raiders in favor of paying a useless Juju much more than what Myers would've cost him?
Completely unrelated to my point, but yes.
Personally, I think Bill fucked up on that, but not in the way people assume. The narrative is that he simply traded JM for JJSS. Not literally, of course, but got rid of one to sign another. My hunch is that he misread the market and figured he was going to get something better than JM. I have no real clue, but I always kind of figured that plans didn't work out for him and he settled for JJSS.
edit: Also, JJSS cost 7.5m less than JM.
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We judge him by the N'Keal Harry's without even looking at the Jacobi Meyers's (who didn't even cost a pick).
Is this the same Jakobi Myers that he wouldn't resign for just a million more and matched the Raiders in favor of paying a useless Juju much more than what Myers would've cost him?
Completely unrelated to my point, but yes.
Personally, I think Bill fucked up on that, but not in the way people assume. The narrative is that he simply traded JM for JJSS. Not literally, of course, but got rid of one to sign another. My hunch is that he misread the market and figured he was going to get something better than JM. I have no real clue, but I always kind of figured that plans didn't work out for him and he settled for JJSS.
edit: Also, JJSS cost 7.5m less than JM.
Is that right? And yes, I know it was unrelated but I had to mention it. In Jakobi, he had a pretty dependable player. Still, it's an example of the kind of thing that had done this team in.
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Not anyone here, and I get that sports is basically fertile ground for this, but I have to remind, too, that Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. No one is saying that EVERY move is going to work out, it doesn't, but I think it's a safe assumption that when making these moves, he knows more than we do. By a lot. He had a reason, and "we" pay him for those reasons.
When you go down the list of SUCCESSFUL draft picks, you can basically construct a legitimate, competitive "All Patriots Team" using ONLY players that Bill and his team have drafted. Maybe it weights heavy to the early years, but some of that is to be expected; you don't always know if a guy is a bust in the first even three years. And there WILL BE busts; the AVERAGE career in the NFL is what, 3.3 years? Factor out the Bradys, the Cousins', the Flaccos, and you've got a LOT of guys - A LOT - that never make it out of their first training camp.
I don't know; I don't mind being critical of Bill, several of the positions stated above are legitimate, even if I disagree with the magnitude of some of them. I feel: a) that none of them are legitimate grounds for moving on from THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME, and b) that some of this becoming an issue now that he's gone and can't really defend or remedy the situation, is part of my complaint. I don't mind saying bad things about Bill - I'm not a starstruck teenager here - but the door is closed, and it seems to be ALL bad, and some of it very nit-picky and personal. It's like breaking up with a girl and then making fun of her clothing choices and the music she listens to. Have a little class.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
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It's like breaking up with a girl and then making fun of her clothing choices and the music she listens to. Have a little class.
Actually, more like producing an 8 part miniseries about how awful her clothing and musical tastes were. :biggrin: Sometimes the volume of your ridicule looks worse for you than the target of your wrath.
I agree with your post, naturally, but the one thing I would reconsider is whether or not it was time to move on. I can't rule out the possibility that the situation had become toxic. Personally, I'd have brought in a new GM and overhauled the scouting department, but kept Belichick because of that GOAT coach thing, but sometimes relationships just become so awful that you have to move on, and this may well have been the case.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
I think I covered that. I never said he was beyond reproach. I never said he didn't have faults. But it seems here we're scrutinizing him and giving him the same benefit of the doubt - which is to say NONE - as Marty Morhinweg. I think even acknowledging his last two bad seasons still means he had 22 seasons that most coaches would kill for. That doesn't go out the window because Kraft is an insecure, sensitive egomaniac, yet we're falling right in line with that narrative it seems.
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We judge him by the N'Keal Harry's without even looking at the Jacobi Meyers's (who didn't even cost a pick).
Is this the same Jakobi Myers that he wouldn't resign for just a million more and matched the Raiders in favor of paying a useless Juju much more than what Myers would've cost him?
Completely unrelated to my point, but yes.
Personally, I think Bill fucked up on that, but not in the way people assume. The narrative is that he simply traded JM for JJSS. Not literally, of course, but got rid of one to sign another. My hunch is that he misread the market and figured he was going to get something better than JM. I have no real clue, but I always kind of figured that plans didn't work out for him and he settled for JJSS.
edit: Also, JJSS cost 7.5m less than JM.
Is that right? And yes, I know it was unrelated but I had to mention it. In Jakobi, he had a pretty dependable player. Still, it's an example of the kind of thing that had done this team in.
Yes that's correct but for that 7.5 ml more, you'd get much more production from Jakobi.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
I think I covered that. I never said he was beyond reproach. I never said he didn't have faults. But it seems here we're scrutinizing him and giving him the same benefit of the doubt - which is to say NONE - as Marty Morhinweg. I think even acknowledging his last two bad seasons still means he had 22 seasons that most coaches would kill for. That doesn't go out the window because Kraft is an insecure, sensitive egomaniac, yet we're falling right in line with that narrative it seems.
I think it's because it's fresh right now and it opened up old scabs that were upset with him pushing Brady towards free agency.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
Interesting take. I kind of look back at it a bit differently, though. As much of a stubborn hardass as Bill was, TB12 shared the same team first approach (until he turned prima donna). TB legitimized the Patriot way by embracing it every bit as much as the HC. Once he left, along with some of the key assistant coaches (Scar and Fears, mainly), Bill was the only one left looking for that total commitment to the team. The winning obviously helps, but I think Brady's buy-in to Belichick's mentality was a bigger factor. They certainly complimented each other to create Patriot way.
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
Yes
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
Yes
I'd agree, but Bill's prices are off. A cheeseburger at 5G now is closer to $12. It might still be worth it, but I'm not buying it on general principle. The same might be true of a slot receiver in the NFL where there's a salary cap in place.
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
JuJu had 29 receptions and 260 yards, 1 Touchdown.
Jakobi had 71 receptions, 807 yards and 8 TD's.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
Interesting take. I kind of look back at it a bit differently, though. As much of a stubborn hardass as Bill was, TB12 shared the same team first approach (until he turned prima donna). TB legitimized the Patriot way by embracing it every bit as much as the HC. Once he left, along with some of the key assistant coaches (Scar and Fears, mainly), Bill was the only one left looking for that total commitment to the team. The winning obviously helps, but I think Brady's buy-in to Belichick's mentality was a bigger factor. They certainly complimented each other to create Patriot way.
I think this "Patriots Way" and "Total commitment to the team" is largely a myth.
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
JuJu had 29 receptions and 260 yards, 1 Touchdown.
Jakobi had 71 receptions, 807 yards and 8 TD's.
Comparing receivers on different teams doesn't really work out all that well. Jakobi didn't have MJ throwing the ball behind him all the time in LV. I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a bad move. I am disagreeing about the degree that it really mattered, though. I also think it might have made pretty good sense at the time, even if it didn't pan out.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
Interesting take. I kind of look back at it a bit differently, though. As much of a stubborn hardass as Bill was, TB12 shared the same team first approach (until he turned prima donna). TB legitimized the Patriot way by embracing it every bit as much as the HC. Once he left, along with some of the key assistant coaches (Scar and Fears, mainly), Bill was the only one left looking for that total commitment to the team. The winning obviously helps, but I think Brady's buy-in to Belichick's mentality was a bigger factor. They certainly complimented each other to create Patriot way.
I think this "Patriots Way" and "Total commitment to the team" is largely a myth.
There are a whole lot of former players, both great ones and ones that were unceremoniously cut for not buying in, that would disagree with you.
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Bill is THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.
Well, no one is disputing that.
But that doesn't make him the Pope of football. You can recognize someone is the best ever at anything, but that doesn't ever make them beyond reproach, or disqualify them from criticism. It might have seemed that way when Brady was there and they won all those trophies, but I suspect all of that success was masking some of these faults even then.
Interesting take. I kind of look back at it a bit differently, though. As much of a stubborn hardass as Bill was, TB12 shared the same team first approach (until he turned prima donna). TB legitimized the Patriot way by embracing it every bit as much as the HC. Once he left, along with some of the key assistant coaches (Scar and Fears, mainly), Bill was the only one left looking for that total commitment to the team. The winning obviously helps, but I think Brady's buy-in to Belichick's mentality was a bigger factor. They certainly complimented each other to create Patriot way.
I think this "Patriots Way" and "Total commitment to the team" is largely a myth.
There are a whole lot of former players, both great ones and ones that were unceremoniously cut for not buying in, that would disagree with you.
I'm sure there are. Because they bought into it.
But each team has 53 active players, plus more on practice squads or are otherwise inactive. And I think that most of those players, even on the championship teams, would probably scoff at such concepts.
It's the kind of thing that college teams used to say. But how much "Patriots Way" and "total commitment to the team" is there when the GM cuts you at the end of the season? That's propaganda, plain and simple.
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
JuJu had 29 receptions and 260 yards, 1 Touchdown.
Jakobi had 71 receptions, 807 yards and 8 TD's.
Comparing receivers on different teams doesn't really work out all that well. Jakobi didn't have MJ throwing the ball behind him all the time in LV. I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a bad move. I am disagreeing about the degree that it really mattered, though. I also think it might have made pretty good sense at the time, even if it didn't pan out.
Oh definitely. But you can look to the 2 previous years for Jakobi with MJ.
2022 - 67 receptions. 804 yards. 6 TD's
2021 - 83 receptions, 866 yards. 2 TD's
They still look a hell of a lot better than JuJu.
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But do you get $7.5M million more? This is like that discussion on fast food burgers we had a couple months ago. A Five Guys burger cost something like $8.50, and you can get a quarter pounder w/cheese for like $5.00. The former is better, but is it more than 50% better?
JuJu had 29 receptions and 260 yards, 1 Touchdown.
Jakobi had 71 receptions, 807 yards and 8 TD's.
Comparing receivers on different teams doesn't really work out all that well. Jakobi didn't have MJ throwing the ball behind him all the time in LV. I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a bad move. I am disagreeing about the degree that it really mattered, though. I also think it might have made pretty good sense at the time, even if it didn't pan out.
Oh definitely. But you can look to the 2 previous years for Jakobi with MJ.
2022 - 67 receptions. 804 yards. 6 TD's
2021 - 83 receptions, 866 yards. 2 TD's
They still look a hell of a lot better than JuJu.
Thank you. I was going to look at his previous year’s stats when I got home.
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It really should have been called, The Brady Way. 52 other player bought in because Brady allowed to be just one of the guys. When Brady wanted more and less criticism from Bill, is when that "Myth" went away.
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It really should have been called, The Brady Way. 52 other player bought in because Brady allowed to be just one of the guys. When Brady wanted more and less criticism from Bill, is when that "Myth" went away.
There you go.
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It really should have been called, The Brady Way. 52 other player bought in because Brady allowed to be just one of the guys. When Brady wanted more and less criticism from Bill, is when that "Myth" went away.
There you go.
That's exactly what I said?
TB12 shared the same team first approach (until he turned prima donna). TB legitimized the Patriot way by embracing it every bit as much as the HC. Once he left, along with some of the key assistant coaches (Scar and Fears, mainly), Bill was the only one left looking for that total commitment to the team.
It wasn't a myth until BBB killed it.
I'd disagree about it being the Brady way, though. He was called Bill Bellicose in Cleveland for a reason. And it was similar to the way Parcells ran his ships. This was always the way Belichick wanted to do things. He just needed somebody like Brady to get the rest of the team to buy in.
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Well, if Tom doesn't buy in like he did, the rest probably wouldn't. He allowed Belichick to treat him at a level with all others. I read so many times that other player were like, "Damn, if Brady can take it, so can I."
But the Guerrero thing, not backing him on deflategate, and the stress of his mom's cancer changed his outlook.
Add that he hD to fight to get 2 year deals and to have incentives on it, made him push away from playing for Bill.
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Well, if Tom doesn't buy in like he did, the rest probably wouldn't. He allowed Belichick to treat him at a level with all others. I read so many times that other player were like, "Damn, if Brady can take it, so can I."
But the Guerrero thing, not backing him on deflategate, and the stress of his mom's cancer changed his outlook.
Add that he hD to fight to get 2 year deals and to have incentives on it, made him push away from playing for Bill.
I get it. Bitch Boy Brady blew the whole thing up. You don't have to sell me any further on that.
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Well, if Tom doesn't buy in like he did, the rest probably wouldn't. He allowed Belichick to treat him at a level with all others. I read so many times that other player were like, "Damn, if Brady can take it, so can I."
But the Guerrero thing, not backing him on deflategate, and the stress of his mom's cancer changed his outlook.
Add that he hD to fight to get 2 year deals and to have incentives on it, made him push away from playing for Bill.
Respect, but you keep on harping on this and I'm not sure why. This is not Bill's legacy. Nothing goes forever; Brady is not the first player that was allowed to sow wild oats at the end of their career only to sign a one-day contract at retirement for the glory. I don't get this line at all; no one on the planet except for Brady, Giselle and maybe Guererro could have called him winning a SB in Tampa like that. And El Barto is 100% correct; had Brady not morphed into BBB he would have done like Montana, or Favre, let the Pats keep Garappolo (or whomever) and we wouldn't be here. That's not on Bill: EVERY SINGLE OTHER player left gracefully or not so gracefully ahead of the curve. Not Brady, though, and I'm not sure why that tarnishes everything that Belichick built.
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I don't know; I don't mind being critical of Bill, several of the positions stated above are legitimate, even if I disagree with the magnitude of some of them. I feel: a) that none of them are legitimate grounds for moving on from THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME, and b) that some of this becoming an issue now that he's gone and can't really defend or remedy the situation, is part of my complaint. I don't mind saying bad things about Bill - I'm not a starstruck teenager here - but the door is closed, and it seems to be ALL bad, and some of it very nit-picky and personal. It's like breaking up with a girl and then making fun of her clothing choices and the music she listens to. Have a little class.
So, with regards to A, if you feel there are not legitimate grounds from moving on from Bill, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
But it's more than simply moving on from the GREATEST COACH IN HISTORY. Bill is more than a coach. He's head of....EVERYTHING. Every function related to the team passes Bill's desk. The entire program has deteriorated in the last 6-8 years. If this was JUST about THE coach, this would be a different conversation.
And as far as B...NONE of this is new news. The only one piling on Bill is Bob Kraft. And he's rightly been getting pushback from it. The deterioration of the relationships between Belichick, Brady, and Kraft has been very well documented. We may or may not ever hear from Bill. Mike Lombardi seemed to hint at the SB that there will be a public reckoning at some point from Bill's POV.
Bill can defend himself at any time. There's nothing stopping him from doing so.
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Bill can defend himself at any time. There's nothing stopping him from doing so.
Wanting to not be a slimeball?
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Bill can defend himself at any time. There's nothing stopping him from doing so.
Wanting to not be a slimeball?
Certainly.
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Well, if Tom doesn't buy in like he did, the rest probably wouldn't. He allowed Belichick to treat him at a level with all others. I read so many times that other player were like, "Damn, if Brady can take it, so can I."
But the Guerrero thing, not backing him on deflategate, and the stress of his mom's cancer changed his outlook.
Add that he hD to fight to get 2 year deals and to have incentives on it, made him push away from playing for Bill.
Respect, but you keep on harping on this and I'm not sure why. This is not Bill's legacy. Nothing goes forever; Brady is not the first player that was allowed to sow wild oats at the end of their career only to sign a one-day contract at retirement for the glory. I don't get this line at all; no one on the planet except for Brady, Giselle and maybe Guererro could have called him winning a SB in Tampa like that. And El Barto is 100% correct; had Brady not morphed into BBB he would have done like Montana, or Favre, let the Pats keep Garappolo (or whomever) and we wouldn't be here. That's not on Bill: EVERY SINGLE OTHER player left gracefully or not so gracefully ahead of the curve. Not Brady, though, and I'm not sure why that tarnishes everything that Belichick built.
For me it doesn't tarnish his legacy. He has 8 rings. I just think the relationship soured. Like any marriage you compromise and ever e love and I feel like Belichick didn't.
He's still the greatest coach, ever.
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Well, if Tom doesn't buy in like he did, the rest probably wouldn't. He allowed Belichick to treat him at a level with all others. I read so many times that other player were like, "Damn, if Brady can take it, so can I."
But the Guerrero thing, not backing him on deflategate, and the stress of his mom's cancer changed his outlook.
Add that he hD to fight to get 2 year deals and to have incentives on it, made him push away from playing for Bill.
Respect, but you keep on harping on this and I'm not sure why. This is not Bill's legacy. Nothing goes forever; Brady is not the first player that was allowed to sow wild oats at the end of their career only to sign a one-day contract at retirement for the glory. I don't get this line at all; no one on the planet except for Brady, Giselle and maybe Guererro could have called him winning a SB in Tampa like that. And El Barto is 100% correct; had Brady not morphed into BBB he would have done like Montana, or Favre, let the Pats keep Garappolo (or whomever) and we wouldn't be here. That's not on Bill: EVERY SINGLE OTHER player left gracefully or not so gracefully ahead of the curve. Not Brady, though, and I'm not sure why that tarnishes everything that Belichick built.
For me it doesn't tarnish his legacy. He has 8 rings. I just think the relationship soured. Like any marriage you compromise and ever e love and I feel like Belichick didn't.
He's still the greatest coach, ever.
But you recognize the attempt to tarnish his legacy, right? Perhaps you follow enough to not let is sway you, but a whole lot of people won't. We're talking about what Kraft and the Patriots are doing here.
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Some ex players, even ones that sat for interviews are taking notice..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-patriots-captains-devin-mccourty-rodney-harrison-criticize-the-dynasty-documentary/ar-BB1kbfFP?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=938fbd34b0c84b349c5551f6fad46a55&ei=30
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I don't know; I don't mind being critical of Bill, several of the positions stated above are legitimate, even if I disagree with the magnitude of some of them. I feel: a) that none of them are legitimate grounds for moving on from THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME, and b) that some of this becoming an issue now that he's gone and can't really defend or remedy the situation, is part of my complaint. I don't mind saying bad things about Bill - I'm not a starstruck teenager here - but the door is closed, and it seems to be ALL bad, and some of it very nit-picky and personal. It's like breaking up with a girl and then making fun of her clothing choices and the music she listens to. Have a little class.
So, with regards to A, if you feel there are not legitimate grounds from moving on from Bill, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
But it's more than simply moving on from the GREATEST COACH IN HISTORY. Bill is more than a coach. He's head of....EVERYTHING. Every function related to the team passes Bill's desk. The entire program has deteriorated in the last 6-8 years. If this was JUST about THE coach, this would be a different conversation.
And as far as B...NONE of this is new news. The only one piling on Bill is Bob Kraft. And he's rightly been getting pushback from it. The deterioration of the relationships between Belichick, Brady, and Kraft has been very well documented. We may or may not ever hear from Bill. Mike Lombardi seemed to hint at the SB that there will be a public reckoning at some point from Bill's POV.
Bill can defend himself at any time. There's nothing stopping him from doing so.
Six to eight years? In the last eight years they made the playoffs five times, the Super Bowl three times and won two. Wow, that sucks. Haha. I know, I know...
Like Bart said, though, this isn't about whether criticism is warranted or not. Bill's not perfect, not even close. But he does, IMO, deserve.a measure of respect and benefit of the doubt that he's simply not getting. Again, other coaches have endured far more adversity than that and emerged with their legacies intact and without having to stoop to respond to tabloid level assaults from their former team. Maybe it's beause I'm NOT seeing the pushback against Kraft that I'm taking this so hard. All I see is the latest tabloid headline pushing him even further under the Greyhound.
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El Barto. I definitely do. I found out that the interviews for this foc started as early as 2018 so hot damn. The venom was here before Tom left.
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Six to eight years? In the last eight years they made the playoffs five times, the Super Bowl three times and won two. Wow, that sucks. Haha. I know, I know...
Like Bart said, though, this isn't about whether criticism is warranted or not. Bill's not perfect, not even close. But he does, IMO, deserve.a measure of respect and benefit of the doubt that he's simply not getting. Again, other coaches have endured far more adversity than that and emerged with their legacies intact and without having to stoop to respond to tabloid level assaults from their former team. Maybe it's beause I'm NOT seeing the pushback against Kraft that I'm taking this so hard. All I see is the latest tabloid headline pushing him even further under the Greyhound.
In the last 6-8 years, they only went to two SBs. ;D
And most players felt betrayed by Bill benching Butler. To me, that was the final straw for Brady as well. It was after that loss that he filmed the final segment of Tom vs Time where he sat and asked "What are we doing this for?".
I say 6-8 years as this was a long time coming in that between drafting and then having to trade Jimmy G, the introduction of Alex Guererro, the relationships really started to erode. By Brady's final year in 2019, the team was already trending downward despite starting out 8-0.
As far as pushback vs Kraft, you simply may not be seeing it. I just posted a Herald article with quotes from Rodney and McCourty. Me, I've pushed back against Kraft in this thread.
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I say 6-8 years as this was a long time coming in that between drafting and then having to trade Jimmy G, the introduction of Alex Guererro, the relationships really started to erode. By Brady's final year in 2019, the team was already trending downward despite starting out 8-0.
At least one of those examples, and probably both are on BBB, not BB.
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I say 6-8 years as this was a long time coming in that between drafting and then having to trade Jimmy G, the introduction of Alex Guererro, the relationships really started to erode. By Brady's final year in 2019, the team was already trending downward despite starting out 8-0.
At least one of those examples, and probably both are on BBB, not BB.
Well...it's not 100% on either. BB is probably lucky that BBB was so cooperative for so long. Yes, I think Brady ended up reaching a point, probably with Giselle in his ear, where he felt like he should've gotten some form of special treatment. And he pushed it for sure.
Could Brady and Bill coexsted or found some sort of compromise? Seemed like Bill was ready to move on. Personally, I put the breakdown at 50/50. I also credit the winning at pretty much 50/50 as well.
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I say 6-8 years as this was a long time coming in that between drafting and then having to trade Jimmy G, the introduction of Alex Guererro, the relationships really started to erode. By Brady's final year in 2019, the team was already trending downward despite starting out 8-0.
At least one of those examples, and probably both are on BBB, not BB.
Well...it's not 100% on either. BB is probably lucky that BBB was so cooperative for so long. Yes, I think Brady ended up reaching a point, probably with Giselle in his ear, where he felt like he should've gotten some form of special treatment. And he pushed it for sure.
Could Brady and Bill coexsted or found some sort of compromise? Seemed like Bill was ready to move on. Personally, I put the breakdown at 50/50. I also credit the winning at pretty much 50/50 as well.
Dumping Jimmy G was absolutely on Brady and Kraft. No getting around that. As for Guererro, that was probably a joint fuckup. I can see how Bill might have not wanted that added distraction around, but it was TB12 trying to get the rest of the team on his program. Bill was probably right, but it might have been handled more tactfully. As for Deflategate (which you haven't mentioned but Joe will), that was entirely on TB12 (to the extent that there was even anything there, which there wasn't). Being pissed off because the team wouldn't back him was, as I've said before, Brady failing to understand what was happening there.
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Sure but after you do that, you give Brady the 2 year extension. BB did not driving a bigger wedge between them.
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I say 6-8 years as this was a long time coming in that between drafting and then having to trade Jimmy G, the introduction of Alex Guererro, the relationships really started to erode. By Brady's final year in 2019, the team was already trending downward despite starting out 8-0.
At least one of those examples, and probably both are on BBB, not BB.
Well...it's not 100% on either. BB is probably lucky that BBB was so cooperative for so long. Yes, I think Brady ended up reaching a point, probably with Giselle in his ear, where he felt like he should've gotten some form of special treatment. And he pushed it for sure.
Could Brady and Bill coexsted or found some sort of compromise? Seemed like Bill was ready to move on. Personally, I put the breakdown at 50/50. I also credit the winning at pretty much 50/50 as well.
Dumping Jimmy G was absolutely on Brady and Kraft. No getting around that. As for Guererro, that was probably a joint fuckup. I can see how Bill might have not wanted that added distraction around, but it was TB12 trying to get the rest of the team on his program. Bill was probably right, but it might have been handled more tactfully. As for Deflategate (which you haven't mentioned but Joe will), that was entirely on TB12 (to the extent that there was even anything there, which there wasn't). Being pissed off because the team wouldn't back him was, as I've said before, Brady failing to understand what was happening there.
To the bolded, yeah, I think we as fans would like to think there was some middle ground to be reached there, but I guess in reality, there couldn't. Bill was thinking Guererro/Brady was undermining his own training staff, the most notorious example was Gronk and him refusing to do the squats the trainers wanted him to do. Plus, receivers were thinking they needed to go to TB 12 to get in Tom's good graces, and of course, the door being locked for Jimmy G (which I'm not sure if it's urban legend or not). :lol
I can see how Bill was resistant to all of this. And like you say, he was right....but...was he...
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Urban legend.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nhFrvLzq/Screenshot-20240319-192827-Chrome.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdhzwmXN)
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Yeah, that story never smelled right.
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Jets signed Mike Williams on a one year deal for up to 15 million (and a breakfast sandwich :lol ). After a slow start to free agency, Joe Douglas has done well in adding him, Tyron Smith, and Morgan Moses. Our big two needs were solidified ahead of the draft and now we have a little flexibility with the #10 pick.
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Urban legend.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nhFrvLzq/Screenshot-20240319-192827-Chrome.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdhzwmXN)
What else was he going to say??? :lol
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The truth. I've read multiple interviews where he said this.
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That dynasty documentary by the end just became a tabloid mouthpiece for Kraft. In episode 9 they had all players whiny bitch about BB apart from TB who funnily enough said I'll keep that to myself. I figured at the time they took the one slightly off comment the players made about BB and turned that whole episode as a bad look on BB and his awful "winning" ways. Kraft was the real star of this doc, he threw BB under the bus every chance he got. After watching that show you'd never think BB was the genius coach just a droning sith lord mofo who was sooo lucky Kraft was there to save the franchise at every moment. The only positive thing they showed during the end was the strategy to switch to zone when playing the Goffsauce Rams and how it threw genius McVay completely off.
I hate how they made the week preceeding the 18-1 superbowl as a tumultuous time for the whole team because of some report about BB stealing the Rams signs during their first superbowl that turned out to be nothing. Like that was the reason the patriots were not lost to the giants.
Made all the players sound whiny and dejected.
I think the Man in the arena doc was a lot more balanced even if it leaned more on TB.
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That dynasty documentary by the end just became a tabloid mouthpiece for Kraft. In episode 9 they had all players whiny bitch about BB apart from TB who funnily enough said I'll keep that to myself. I figured at the time they took the one slightly off comment the players made about BB and turned that whole episode as a bad look on BB and his awful "winning" ways. Kraft was the real star of this doc, he threw BB under the bus every chance he got. After watching that show you'd never think BB was the genius coach just a droning sith lord mofo who was sooo lucky Kraft was there to save the franchise at every moment. The only positive thing they showed during the end was the strategy to switch to zone when playing the Goffsauce Rams and how it threw genius McVay completely off.
I hate how they made the week preceeding the 18-1 superbowl as a tumultuous time for the whole team because of some report about BB stealing the Rams signs during their first superbowl that turned out to be nothing. Like that was the reason the patriots were not lost to the giants.
Made all the players sound whiny and dejected.
I think the Man in the arena doc was a lot more balanced even if it leaned more on TB.
If zone coverage was the only thing they mentioned there then even that was a huge disservice. That gameplan should be the second one Bill crafted to be framed in Canton. Not only did they completely shut down a Rams offense better than the one they had in 2001, they showed the entire league how to do it the following year (where the Rams went 9-7 and finished 3rd in the NFCW). Between the 6-1 defensive front, and the disguising of their coverages, McVey and Goff never stood a chance. It was masterful and a total destruction.
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El Barto
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pxx81Vch/Screenshot-20240320-062450-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SXBshdkt)
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John Mellencamp DARES to vocally criticise Toto?
Fock him and the cougar he rode in on.
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John Mellencamp DARES to vocally criticise Toto?
Fock him and the cougar he rode in on.
Yeah, no shit; that's the real takeaway there. Mellencamp criticizing Toto is like... well... Kraft criticizing Belichick. :) :) :) :) :) :)
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John Mellencamp DARES to vocally criticise Toto?
Fock him and the cougar he rode in on.
Yeah, no shit; that's the real takeaway there. Mellencamp criticizing Toto is like... well... Kraft criticizing Belichick. :) :) :) :) :) :)
Geez, talk about having a fundamental disagreement.. ;D
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:lol
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
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I guess we’re all Brock Purdy’d out.
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
It's not really any different from you, Nick, and RJ discussing the Niners. We can't help it if New England is simply more interesting.
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I guess we’re all Brock Purdy’d out.
He got married, though. Does that count?
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
It's not really any different from you, Nick, and RJ discussing the Niners. We can't help it if New England is simply more interesting.
I mean, the trainwrecks tend to be more interesting.
I say that as someone who has a ton of respect for TB, BB, and the Patriots dynasty. But they have a lot more space to be "interesting" right now.
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
It's not really any different from you, Nick, and RJ discussing the Niners. We can't help it if New England is simply more interesting.
I mean, the trainwrecks tend to be more interesting.
I say that as someone who has a ton of respect for TB, BB, and the Patriots dynasty. But they have a lot more space to be "interesting" right now.
I think I can safely speak for the other Patriots fans when I say we agree with that. I was going for a fair amount of snark, but I was definitely referring to the trainwreck angle, too.
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Your brand of snark is often well executed, for what it's worth.
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It majes for an interestingnext 3 years.
Can this coaching staff actually coach?
Can the Pats aquire talent?
Will Kraft spend more than what he did with BB.
So many holes to fill?
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
Hey, I have an interest in the Jets, too. Granted, it's mostly built of loathing and disgust, but if you post something about them I might well have something to contribute to the discussion. :lol
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
Only if you post a picture of you in nylons like Joe Namath.
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
:lol
To be fair, the only thing to discuss about my alleged team is their continued downward spiral. So, not worth talking about at all.
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
:lol
To be fair, the only thing to discuss about my alleged team is their continued downward spiral. So, not worth talking about at all.
Very curious how Canales does in a head coaching capacity. He did pretty good as a one year first time offensive coordinator with the Bucs. Players loved his personality and super positive attitude. Rashad White the Bucs RB tweeted 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' when news came out of Canales hire to Carolina.
I was looking forward to seeing him again this year and see how he progressed, the one thing really positive that he did during the last season was adjusting the playbook to the players strength. when they were in a slump mid season losing 6 of 7 games, they somewhat retooled the offense to finish much stronger in the end. I was really hoping to see how much further he'd take it this year. I don't blame him for taking the head coach job though.
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Maybe we should start a separate Patriots thread for the four of you, and then keep this thread to actual NFL discussion that other people care about.
OK, glad it's not just me, I almost started a separate NFL thread for the other 31 teams yesterday :lol
:lol
To be fair, the only thing to discuss about my alleged team is their continued downward spiral. So, not worth talking about at all.
Very curious how Canales does in a head coaching capacity. He did pretty good as a one year first time offensive coordinator with the Bucs. Players loved his personality and super positive attitude. Rashad White the Bucs RB tweeted 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' when news came out of Canales hire to Carolina.
I was looking forward to seeing him again this year and see how he progressed, the one thing really positive that he did during the last season was adjusting the playbook to the players strength. when they were in a slump mid season losing 6 of 7 games, they somewhat retooled the offense to finish much stronger in the end. I was really hoping to see how much further he'd take it this year. I don't blame him for taking the head coach job though.
I don't blame HIM for anything.
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Changing gears for a minute.....kudos to Aaron Donald for his HOF career, and walking away before injuries or Father Time forced his hand.
One of the few defensive players that caused me to take my eye off of the play at times to follow an individual player.
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Changing gears for a minute.....kudos to Aaron Donald for his HOF career, and walking away before injuries or Father Time forced his hand.
One of the few defensive players that caused me to take my eye off of the play at times to follow an individual player.
Amen, Brother. The guy was a beast. I was surprised to hear he was retiring.
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I’ve seen plays where 4 guys blocked him. Jason Kelce said on his weekly show with Travis that anytime they played the Rams, every single offensive play was determined by what to do with Donald. Upper echelon hall of famer.
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Aaron Donald was a legit beast, Chris Jones game in the superbowl reminded me of the difference they can make in just a couple of plays.
So the NFL has approved a new kickoff return rule which apparently makes it similar to the XFL now. Something akin to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats)
Hip drop tackles are also now banned, the usual question arises is how well will they be enforced.
Also surprised Sneed signed with the Titans, I thought he was one of pillars of that Chiefs defense.
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Hip drop tackles are also now banned, the usual question arises is how well will they be enforced.
Inconsistently, obviously.
So the NFL has approved a new kickoff return rule which apparently makes it similar to the XFL now. Something akin to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats)
Kickoffs have become boring, so I don't mind a change. However, this change does further screw up onside kicks. That's something that should be addressed at the same time.
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Onside kicks WERE addressed.
Surprise onside kicks will not be allowed. The kicking team has to let the ref know they are doing an onside kick, and in that instance, it will be done from the traditional formation.
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Onside kicks WERE addressed.
Surprise onside kicks will not be allowed. The kicking team has to let the ref know they are doing an onside kick, and in that instance, it will be done from the traditional formation.
I meant fixed. Not eliminated altogether, which is essentially the case.
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Is it just me or is this everything that's wrong with our society today? We don't like something? Throw another rule at it!!! For fuck's sake, the rules have sucked the fun out of NASCAR, they sucked the fun out of baseball (for me), they're sucking the fun out of football, and hockey is right there on the doorstep.
:tdwn
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Naturally this comes across as damage control, but I do have to wonder how much input RKK actually had in the final product. While the Patriots are listed as producers, it does seem to be the same people behind all Imagine productions.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10114468-robert-kraft-disappointed-with-emphasis-on-patriots-controversies-in-dynasty-doc
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I'm all for anything that stops the endless parade of touchbacks.
Also they will now have a replay assistant in charge of overturning "obvious and objectively wrong" bad calls which is great. No more 15 yds and automatic first down for Chris Jones hitting Brady's (or whoever's) shoulder pad.
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Is it just me or is this everything that's wrong with our society today? We don't like something? Throw another rule at it!!! For fuck's sake, the rules have sucked the fun out of NASCAR, they sucked the fun out of baseball (for me), they're sucking the fun out of football, and hockey is right there on the doorstep.
:tdwn
It's just you.
The change to the kickoff rule was to bring back kickoff returns (which were only occurring on a little over 20% of kickoffs) while ensuring safety.
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I'm all for anything that stops the endless parade of touchbacks.
Also they will now have a replay assistant in charge of overturning "obvious and objectively wrong" bad calls which is great. No more 15 yds and automatic first down for Chris Jones hitting Brady's (or whoever's) shoulder pad.
Well, let's hope that's what happens. You know full well the "whoever's" is Mahomes; as soon as a defensive end gets into the backfield the referee's got his hand on the bean bag. It'd be nice to get rid of some of those penalties. ;) :) :) :)
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Is it just me or is this everything that's wrong with our society today? We don't like something? Throw another rule at it!!! For fuck's sake, the rules have sucked the fun out of NASCAR, they sucked the fun out of baseball (for me), they're sucking the fun out of football, and hockey is right there on the doorstep.
:tdwn
When in the hell was NASCAR fun?
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It's just you.
The change to the kickoff rule was to bring back kickoff returns (which were only occurring on a little over 20% of kickoffs) while ensuring safety.
I didn't read this exact change, but I know some of the reasoning for going in a different direction wasn't the "kickoff play" per se, but to eliminate the contact between a coverage person on a dead run against a returner who was at a dead standstill.
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I think they should have the first kickoff of each game a true kickoff as we know it today. Just the first one to begin the game and every score after that, they use the new rule.
Yes it's anticlimactic, but I find that the FIRST kickoff is fun and exciting, even if the ball goes into the back of the endzone every time.
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When in the hell was NASCAR fun?
When Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough and A.J. Foyt were racing real stock cars with open windows, THAT was fun.
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When Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough and A.J. Foyt were racing real stock cars with open windows, THAT was fun.
I agree with TAC but I am more into the logistics of the race.
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I think the kickoff change is going to be awesome. The penalties for touchback into the endzone will incentivize kickers to try to kick a returnable ball, and we should get a lot more returns (which means a lot more football) with fewer injuries occurring on those returns.
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I think the kickoff change is going to be awesome. The penalties for touchback into the endzone will incentivize kickers to try to kick a returnable ball, and we should get a lot more returns (which means a lot more football) with fewer injuries occurring on those returns.
If enough returns go for TDs, and I think that's a distinct possibility, you'll probably see nothing but touchbacks on the 30.
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If enough returns go for TDs, and I think that's a distinct possibility, you'll probably see nothing but touchbacks on the 30.
Maybe. I don't know how many TD returns we will actually see. But we will definitely see returns again, even if they don't go all the way back.
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Maybe. I don't know how many TD returns we will actually see. But we will definitely see returns again, even if they don't go all the way back.
I heard Dave Lombardi (who reports for the 49ers) speculate this morning that the new rules could possibly result in wholesale changes in how some teams play the kick return. Teams with explosive runners, like the 49ers with McCaffrey and Deebo, may likely use those players for kick returns now that the likelihood of injury on those plays should be drastically reduced and the potential for an explosive run is a lot higher. Interesting to see how teams may play that angle. Of course, if the 49ers put CMC and Deebo back as their two kick returners, their opponents may be likely to just say "screw that--take the touchback because no way we're kicking to those guys."
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It seems to me that there was a natural stratification with the kick coverage team creating a deeper field to run through. Some guys are faster than others, and some have further to run. With the new rules there will only be one line of guys to run through, I'd think. I really don't know, it's not like the XFL provided a very large sample size, but the way it looks on paper I'd expect people to only have to clear one level and then they're off to the races. It also seems like if you kick to one side of the field, cover guys on the other side might not be in play at all. I know if I were still wasting time with fantasy football I'd definitely be blowing a pick on a good D/ST, with the ST being potentially quite valuable.
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When Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough and A.J. Foyt were racing real stock cars with open windows, THAT was fun.
I’ll be more than happy to participate in a NASCAR thread, been a fan since I was a kid.
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I just saw a kickoff reel from the new XFL.
The kicker tees up all by his lonesome at the kicking team’s 30 yard line.
The rest of the kicking team lines up at the receiving team’s 35 with the receiving team lined up directly across from them at their own 30 yard line.
No one is allowed to move until the receiver fields the ball. This prevents the head on collisions that take place when players run full speed at each other.
I kinda liked it. Have you guys seen this?
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I just saw a kickoff reel from the new XFL.
The kicker tees up all by his lonesome at the kicking team’s 30 yard line.
The rest of the kicking team lines up at the receiving team’s 35 with the receiving team lined up directly across from them at their own 30 yard line.
No one is allowed to move until the receiver fields the ball. This prevents the head on collisions that take place when players run full speed at each other.
I kinda liked it. Have you guys seen this?
Yes. Can't wait to see this with NFL talent.
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I just saw a kickoff reel from the new XFL.
The kicker tees up all by his lonesome at the kicking team’s 30 yard line.
The rest of the kicking team lines up at the receiving team’s 35 with the receiving team lined up directly across from them at their own 30 yard line.
No one is allowed to move until the receiver fields the ball. This prevents the head on collisions that take place when players run full speed at each other.
I kinda liked it. Have you guys seen this?
Yeah I mentioned about it when the NFL changed the rules on the kickoffs.
So the NFL has approved a new kickoff return rule which apparently makes it similar to the XFL now. Something akin to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkpLQtcIH4&ab_channel=KorkedBats)
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I believe this will lead to higher-scoring games which the NFL also wants as scoring was down last year. I imagine until teams figure out how they want to play it, there may be at least one extra huge return per team per game. Steelers just signed Patterson solely for the purpose.
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I believe this will lead to higher-scoring games which the NFL also wants as scoring was down last year. I imagine until teams figure out how they want to play it, there may be at least one extra huge return per team per game. Steelers just signed Patterson solely for the purpose.
It's going to piss me off to no end if these games turn out to be 28-24, with two scoring returns on each side basically making what would be a classic defensive battle into a highlight reel.
Maybe Belichick was right all along and got out of Dodge in the nick of time.
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It's going to piss me off to no end if these games turn out to be 28-24, with two scoring returns on each side basically making what would be a classic defensive battle into a highlight reel.
I don't know, man. Most "classic defensive battles" are just piss poor offense.
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I don't know, man. Most "classic defensive battles" are just piss poor offense.
Maybe; but I think the point remains that this has the potential to overwhelm the outcomes of the game.
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Maybe; but I think the point remains that this has the potential to overwhelm the outcomes of the game.
At least it's reintroduced it as being part of the game, where it has basically been reduced to having no impact. Teams will figure out how to defend it.
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At least it's reintroduced it as being part of the game, where it has basically been reduced to having no impact. Teams will figure out how to defend it.
Maybe; I just don't want the NFL to be any more like "Celebrity Family Feud", where no matter how many points either family has, the final round is geared so that "it's anyone's game!". There's 60 minutes in a game, and all are important, not just the last four.
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Maybe; I just don't want the NFL to be any more like "Celebrity Family Feud", where no matter how many points either family has, the final round is geared so that "it's anyone's game!". There's 60 minutes in a game, and all are important, not just the last four.
Seems like half of them already are. That's why I was so disconnected last year. The NFL, and I guess the public too, wants every game to be 36-35, ended by a last second TD bomb. I don't mind those, but it seems to happen with every game, even one is far, far better than the other in every phase of the game. What's the point?
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Maybe; I just don't want the NFL to be any more like "Celebrity Family Feud", where no matter how many points either family has, the final round is geared so that "it's anyone's game!". There's 60 minutes in a game, and all are important, not just the last four.
So...the NBA?
I wouldn't worry about it Stads. Seriously.
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So...the NBA?
I wouldn't worry about it Stads. Seriously.
Isn't the NBA "ruined" at this point? All I ever hear is how the game's awful now.
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Isn't the NBA "ruined" at this point? All I ever hear is how the game's awful now.
I think all leagues struggle with trying to prop up offenses. Every rule change in each league seem to be made to stimulate scoring. Defense doesn't boost ratings. Or cash.
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Isn't the NBA "ruined" at this point? All I ever hear is how the game's awful now.
Pretty close, IMO. But while I think the new kickoff rules are kinda dumb and unnecessary, I don't think they have as much potential to drastically change the game as Stadler is making out. If teams start getting an inordinate amount of returns, teams will figure out how to train their kickers to have the ball hit inside the 5 and bounce into the endzone for the 20 YL touchback and will happily eat the yards where it ends up going through the endzone for the 40 YL touchback rather than risk a return for TD. And, yeah, THAT in and of itself changes the game. But not to extent some worry that it might.
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I think all leagues struggle with trying to prop up offenses. Every rule change in each league seem to be made to stimulate scoring. Defense doesn't boost ratings. Or cash.
So it's dumbed down to appeal to the LCD. Just like the modern NFL. Fuck yeah, capitalism!!
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Pretty close, IMO. But while I think the new kickoff rules are kinda dumb and unnecessary, I don't think they have as much potential to drastically change the game as Stadler is making out. If teams start getting an inordinate amount of returns, teams will figure out how to train their kickers to have the ball hit inside the 5 and bounce into the endzone for the 20 YL touchback and will happily eat the yards where it ends up going through the endzone for the 40 YL touchback rather than risk a return for TD. And, yeah, THAT in and of itself changes the game. But not to extent some worry that it might.
I honestly have no idea how it'll turn out, but none of the outcomes seem particularly favourable to me. I also like the surprise onside kick, which is no more. As for bouncing it into the EZ, that's going to be rough since squib kicks are also no longer a thing.
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I just saw a kickoff reel from the new XFL.
The kicker tees up all by his lonesome at the kicking team’s 30 yard line.
The rest of the kicking team lines up at the receiving team’s 35 with the receiving team lined up directly across from them at their own 30 yard line.
No one is allowed to move until the receiver fields the ball. This prevents the head on collisions that take place when players run full speed at each other.
I kinda liked it. Have you guys seen this?
I'm foreseeing two things (in addition to the possible increase in KR TDs): (1) a flurry of flags for moving too early; and (2) some real hilarity when a returner breaks through the cluster of blockers and the kicker tries to make an open-field tackle.
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I'm foreseeing two things (in addition to the possible increase in KR TDs): (1) a flurry of flags for moving too early; and (2) some real hilarity when a returner breaks through the cluster of blockers and the kicker tries to make an open-field tackle.
Good point. That's something that might even effect the punt game. You'll still need accuracy above all else for your kicker, but a kick off specialist that can tackle might be a real bonus. The Cowboys used to have a kicker that loved to level return guys, but they're kind of hard to come by.
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I honestly have no idea how it'll turn out, but none of the outcomes seem particularly favourable to me. I also like the surprise onside kick, which is no more. As for bouncing it into the EZ, that's going to be rough since squib kicks are also no longer a thing.
That has become almost nonexistent with the newer rules. And, we'll never again have a Sean Payton showing immense nads decision by choosing to open the second half of a Super Bowl game with one.
btw....absolutely love the new thread title! :tup :lol
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That has become almost nonexistent with the newer rules. And, we'll never again have a Sean Payton showing immense nads decision by choosing to open the second half of a Super Bowl game with one.
btw....absolutely love the new thread title! :tup :lol
Actually, I do too; I didn't pick up on that until you pointed it out!!
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On the "run away from the law" section of the offseason, looks like Cam Sutton freshly released from the Lions roster self reported to the Tampa Police, the jail he checked into is close to my office.
Chiefs Rashee Rice appears to be involved in a hit n run and dashcam footage isn't as scary as I thought it would be. Still a major asshole for racing in the streets.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-police-kansas-city-chiefs-wide-receiver-rashee-rice-collision/287-d3c39c05-b11e-4107-8c4f-87e4d12319a0 (https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-police-kansas-city-chiefs-wide-receiver-rashee-rice-collision/287-d3c39c05-b11e-4107-8c4f-87e4d12319a0)
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On the "run away from the law" section of the offseason, looks like Cam Sutton freshly released from the Lions roster self reported to the Tampa Police, the jail he checked into is close to my office.
Chiefs Rashee Rice appears to be involved in a hit n run and dashcam footage isn't as scary as I thought it would be. Still a major asshole for racing in the streets.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-police-kansas-city-chiefs-wide-receiver-rashee-rice-collision/287-d3c39c05-b11e-4107-8c4f-87e4d12319a0 (https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-police-kansas-city-chiefs-wide-receiver-rashee-rice-collision/287-d3c39c05-b11e-4107-8c4f-87e4d12319a0)
Those two guys really suck. Seriously, we've all driving 130 down that stretch of central. There's nothing wrong with that, unless you're a total idiot. The fun is knowing when you can push it and when you can't. I see people doing this all the time around there, and they're alternating between driving flat out and driving 55 all pissed off, waiting for an opportunity to break out. There's skill involved. These morons were only thinking about speed. Hope they nail that jackass to a tree in the spirit of Easter.
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Those two guys really suck. Seriously, we've all driving 130 down that stretch of central. There's nothing wrong with that, unless you're a total idiot. The fun is knowing when you can push it and when you can't. I see people doing this all the time around there, and they're alternating between driving flat out and driving 55 all pissed off, waiting for an opportunity to break out. There's skill involved. These morons were only thinking about speed. Hope they nail that jackass to a tree in the spirit of Easter.
Hahaha.
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Bills finalizing trade of star WR Stefon Diggs to Texans (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39866413/sources-bills-finalizing-trade-star-wr-stefon-diggs-texans)
Holy shit. Texans are getting serious.
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Bills finalizing trade of star WR Stefon Diggs to Texans (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39866413/sources-bills-finalizing-trade-star-wr-stefon-diggs-texans)
Holy shit. Texans are getting serious.
You're not kidding; they already have Mixon and now this. Mixon I sort of get, running backs are starting to be a dime a dozen, but I do think this is a blow to the Bills, and may be a sign that they are hitting the pause button.
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You're not kidding; they already have Mixon and now this. Mixon I sort of get, running backs are starting to be a dime a dozen, but I do think this is a blow to the Bills, and may be a sign that they are hitting the pause button.
I was thinking it was the self destruct button. However, in this league you never know.
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I was thinking it was the self destruct button. However, in this league you never know.
If I'm Josh Allen, I think I'd find it hard to understand what the commitment is. He was the ONE CONSTANT on that offense besides Allen, and perhaps the one reason why Allen wasn't carted off the field each game.
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Tyreek leaves KC and the Chiefs win back to back SBs.
Now watch Allen go win it this year (I know these are not the same and I also hope I am wrong).
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Tyreek leaves KC and the Chiefs win back to back SBs.
Now watch Allen go win it this year (I know these are not the same and I also hope I am wrong).
Tampa replaced Tom Brady with Baker Mayfield and got better. :lol
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If I'm Josh Allen, I think I'd find it hard to understand what the commitment is. He was the ONE CONSTANT on that offense besides Allen, and perhaps the one reason why Allen wasn't carted off the field each game.
Please sit down first:
I actually agree with this post. :(
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Bill Belichick going on the Pat McAfee show to do the draft next week should be an interesting view. I'd watch that just to hear BB's thought process. Guy can be pretty funny at times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2LpFgtvw&ab_channel=ThePatMcAfeeShow
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Bill Belichick going on the Pat McAfee show to do the draft next week should be an interesting view. I'd watch that just to hear BB's thought process. Guy can be pretty funny at times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2LpFgtvw&ab_channel=ThePatMcAfeeShow
Yeah, but it kind of depends on if he's actually done any scouting. Bill always looked for intangibles, and those don't show up on the typical ESPN scouting reports. Insofar as I've seen he's been doing his own thing, and that probably didn't include much deep research.
Also, if NE actually does pass up 3 first round picks (plus a latter pick) to draft the consolation QB they really deserve to suck. I don't know if Minnesota is actually considering that, but it'd only be moving down to 11. Rumour has it that RKK specifically wants to draft a QB to create buzz and put butts in seats. You put butts in seats by winning. Not by drafting a new QB who may or may not suck. How'd it work out in 2021?
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Yeah, but it kind of depends on if he's actually done any scouting. Bill always looked for intangibles, and those don't show up on the typical ESPN scouting reports. Insofar as I've seen he's been doing his own thing, and that probably didn't include much deep research.
Also, if NE actually does pass up 3 first round picks (plus a latter pick) to draft the consolation QB they really deserve to suck. I don't know if Minnesota is actually considering that, but it'd only be moving down to 11. Rumour has it that RKK specifically wants to draft a QB to create buzz and put butts in seats. You put butts in seats by winning. Not by drafting a new QB who may or may not suck. How'd it work out in 2021?
Maybe I'm a Luddite here, but as soon as "create buzz" is a variable on your draft board, IMO you're dead in the water. I am seriously thinking about switching back to the Giants as my primary team. I don't like Jones, at all, but at least I can get behind Daboll.
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Maybe I'm a Luddite here, but as soon as "create buzz" is a variable on your draft board, IMO you're dead in the water. I am seriously thinking about switching back to the Giants as my primary team. I don't like Jones, at all, but at least I can get behind Daboll.
If you did that you'd definitely never be accused of front-running. Giants play in a pretty tough division (especially so if Washington is relevant). But yeah as far as the draft goes, if you don't have a top 10 pick (or top 3 if you're going for QB) then it's really nothing to get too excited about and not worth the hype it generates.
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If you did that you'd definitely never be accused of front-running. Giants play in a pretty tough division (especially so if Washington is relevant). But yeah as far as the draft goes, if you don't have a top 10 pick (or top 3 if you're going for QB) then it's really nothing to get too excited about and not worth the hype it generates.
One, I grew up a Giants fan; that's how I got into the Patriots, via Belichick.
Two, not sure I follow the latter part. I can't recall once ever being "excited" about draft picks. It's one step in the process and just as many star picks flame out as flame on. Honestly, I like Belichick's approach of staying clear of the top ten or so. I just don't think the risk is worth it.
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One, I grew up a Giants fan; that's how I got into the Patriots, via Belichick.
Two, not sure I follow the latter part. I can't recall once ever being "excited" about draft picks. It's one step in the process and just as many star picks flame out as flame on. Honestly, I like Belichick's approach of staying clear of the top ten or so. I just don't think the risk is worth it.
I was talking about how the draft is over-hyped by fans and media, not you specifically.
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Maybe I'm a Luddite here, but as soon as "create buzz" is a variable on your draft board, IMO you're dead in the water. I am seriously thinking about switching back to the Giants as my primary team. I don't like Jones, at all, but at least I can get behind Daboll.
I have no idea who I'd switch back to. I briefly considered Dallas, but sticking with McCarthy is one of the dumbest things Jerry's done, IMO, which gives me the same problem I'm seeing with RKK. For me I just want to get behind a well run organization, where I can actually respect the people running the show. That's not Dallas, and it doesn't appear like it'll be NE.
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Maybe I'm a Luddite here, but as soon as "create buzz" is a variable on your draft board, IMO you're dead in the water.
You may be a bit of a Luddite here.
As EB said, the best way to put butts in seats (which is the name of the game for owners) is by winning. But not every team is going to win. So if you don't think you're going to win, you have to find some other way to put butts in seats, which is done by creating buzz, which only means finding something else to get your fans excited about.
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You may be a bit of a Luddite here.
As EB said, the best way to put butts in seats (which is the name of the game for owners) is by winning. But not every team is going to win. So if you don't think you're going to win, you have to find some other way to put butts in seats, which is done by creating buzz, which only means finding something else to get your fans excited about.
The thing is, NE still has a waiting list to get season tickets. That's not going to go away. Another year or two of sucking ass won't really hurt that much so long as they look like they're turning the corner. And if it would be a financial hardship, why not expand the percentage of season tickets offered?
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The thing is, NE still has a waiting list to get season tickets. That's not going to go away. Another year or two of sucking ass won't really hurt that much so long as they look like they're turning the corner. And if it would be a financial hardship, why not expand the percentage of season tickets offered?
I don't know.
I wasn't speaking about NE specifically, but in general. I know next to nothing about NE's specific situation, except that the greatest coach of all time apparently let the game pass him by, got fired, and then no one else wanted to hire him. Which again, isn't as much about NE as it is Mr. Bill.
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Simply pointing out that "creating buzz" to sell tickets right now is a loser approach.
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Simply pointing out that "creating buzz" to sell tickets right now is a loser approach.
For NE, possibly so.
For most teams in the league, not so much.
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For NE, possibly so.
For most teams in the league, not so much.
Would you want your team to base their draft on creating buzz, rather than taking the best long term approach? NE can turn 1 first rounder into 3 by moving back 8 spots. RKK [allegedly] doesn't favour that approach because a new franchise QB will get him a quicker return.
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Would you want your team to base their draft on creating buzz, rather than taking the best long term approach? NE can turn 1 first rounder into 3 by moving back 8 spots. RKK [allegedly] doesn't favour that approach because a new franchise QB will get him a quicker return.
Depends on how much you trust your team. I'm a Panthers fan (technically, for now), and I don't trust David Tepper as far as I could throw him. He doesn't know shit about taking a long term approach. Of course, he doesn't know anything about the short term either. So I'm fucked either way.
Teams that haven't had consistent success don't know anything about a long term approach.
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I don't know.
I wasn't speaking about NE specifically, but in general. I know next to nothing about NE's specific situation, except that the greatest coach of all time apparently let the game pass him by, got fired, and then no one else wanted to hire him. Which again, isn't as much about NE as it is Mr. Bill.
None of that is precisely true. The game has NOT passed him by, KRAFT did, he wasn't fired, it was a mutual decision by all accounts, and there was interest, even if it didn't pan out.
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Would you want your team to base their draft on creating buzz, rather than taking the best long term approach? NE can turn 1 first rounder into 3 by moving back 8 spots. RKK [allegedly] doesn't favour that approach because a new franchise QB will get him a quicker return.
RKK is turning into Daniel Snyder.
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None of that is precisely true. The game has NOT passed him by, KRAFT did, he wasn't fired, it was a mutual decision by all accounts, and there was interest, even if it didn't pan out.
Bill wasn’t fired? Bill decided to leave on his own? No chance.
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Bill wasn’t fired? Bill decided to leave on his own? No chance.
Well, I'm not saying he left on his own. I think when you piece the parts together, it was a meeting between Kraft and Belichick that started "Look, how are we going to handle this?". There was no way that Bill was walking out of that meeting as coach of the Patriots, but that doesn't mean that he would have wanted that, or that he was fired.
You know this from the Portnoy thread; I love Her, but it bothers me when we jump to the easy answer when the reality is often far more complicated.
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I would say Bill's theories on the draft may be obsolete. He talked recently that the data on taking QB's is not good and he'd rather take a QB in later rounds. I will agree that more than 50% of the QB's picked in the 1st round fail but that is the toughest, cerebral position to fill and you need to take multiple shots for that position. It isn't when they are picked, it's if they can process everything coming at them and have the physical skills. You need both with the speed of the league.
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I would say Bill's theories on the draft may be obsolete. He talked recently that the data on taking QB's is not good and he'd rather take a QB in later rounds. I will agree that more than 50% of the QB's picked in the 1st round fail but that is the toughest, cerebral position to fill and you need to take multiple shots for that position. It isn't when they are picked, it's if they can process everything coming at them and have the physical skills. You need both with the speed of the league.
I think you just made his point. There's really no way to tell if a QB is going to hack it in the NFL, and where you draft him doesn't matter. A WR or OL, on the other hand, you can project. That's why I'd be all over MHJr if I weren't going to trade down. Using a high value pick (like a number 3) on a role of the dice, when franchise QBs are just as likely later, makes zero sense.
edit: Also, two words: Mac Jones. By all accounts that was RKK's pick rather than BB's.
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I would say Bill's theories on the draft may be obsolete. He talked recently that the data on taking QB's is not good and he'd rather take a QB in later rounds. I will agree that more than 50% of the QB's picked in the 1st round fail but that is the toughest, cerebral position to fill and you need to take multiple shots for that position. It isn't when they are picked, it's if they can process everything coming at them and have the physical skills. You need both with the speed of the league.
I'll take a cerebral QB over an athletic QB any day of the week.
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Found this awesome bit of writing from my favorite NFL writing on the difficulty of predicting star quarterbacks:
Imagine a Fortune 500 company with 32 regional branches, all of which are locked in a Darwinian struggle to be the most profitable branch. Underperforming CEOs get the Glengarry Glen Ross treatment at the end of each year. Headquarters then dips into the college ranks for replacement CEOs, where they find dozens of qualified applicants for a handful of wide-open positions.
Three-to-five young hotshots – magna cum laude MBA graduates with glowing internships who were also Greek Council presidents – are given the reins to the worst branches, the ones which were recently restructured and/or have a depleted, demoralized workforce. Perhaps a dozen others are hired into the bean-counter department, where they have a slim chance of working their way up through the ranks. Occasionally, one newcomer earns an “heir apparent” opportunity behind some Cornelius Vanderbilt-type, though such captains of industry remain in power for so long that the heir might end up withering in obscurity.
The rookie CEOs sometimes get a brief grace period or some mentorship. By their second year on the job, however, they must start producing bottom-line results. Otherwise, the branch might splurge to lure a veteran CEO from another branch or dip back into the collegiate pool. If a bean counter or a creaky former CEO steps in during a crisis and outperforms the rookie, it could spell the end of his executive career: it’s really hard to come back from a demotion to bean counter.
Under those circumstances it would be weird if many of the top CEO candidates did not end up victims of circumstance, crack under the pressure or discover that earning an A-plus in macroeconomics and earning actual money require two different skill sets. These young execs don’t have to “fail” to fail; they can do so by not succeeding enough, quickly enough.
Every top five pick is expected to quickly become a top ten quarterback, but that math simply does not work out. The 25th-best quarterback in the NFL is objectively very good at his job – compare Daniel Jones or Gardner Minshew to, say, a UFL quarterback – yet he’s also in danger of being replaced. If the replacement also maxes out as the 25th-best person on earth at his profession, he will suffer the same fate.
Seen from that perspective, the NFL does a pretty good job of identifying quarterbacks! Utter stumblebums rarely take the field. Come-from-nowhere success stories like Tom Brady, Kurt Warner and now Brock Purdy are also rather rare. But the competition is brutal, the stakes perilous, the variables numerous and complicated, the gestation periods brief, and the price of failure – for the franchises and the prospects – absolutely staggering.
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I think you just made his point. There's really no way to tell if a QB is going to hack it in the NFL, and where you draft him doesn't matter. A WR or OL, on the other hand, you can project. That's why I'd be all over MHJr if I weren't going to trade down. Using a high value pick (like a number 3) on a role of the dice, when franchise QBs are just as likely later, makes zero sense.
edit: Also, two words: Mac Jones. By all accounts that was RKK's pick rather than BB's.
Yeah, but without a QB, you are sunk so you have to take one when you can. It's a crap shoot but you've got to give yourself the best chance. You just don't pick the wrong guy which Bill did.
Cough chough, N'Keal Harry as an example. Drafted after him, Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalf.
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I'll take a cerebral QB over an athletic QB any day of the week.
If you get both, "Mahomes" then he's generational.
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Yeah, but without a QB, you are sunk so you have to take one when you can. It's a crap shoot but you've got to give yourself the best chance. You just don't pick the wrong guy which Bill did.
Cough chough, N'Keal Harry as an example. Drafted after him, Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalf.
Yeah, you're still making his point. "So you have to take one when you can," / "it's a crap shoot." Right. They're all crap shoots, even the number 1, 2, and 3 pick. Other positions not so much. Take the sure thing with the most valuable pick and roll the dice on a QB with a later one. They could take the alleged Minnesota deal and still pick up Penix or Bo Nix along with two other first rounders. Are you confident that Drake Mayes will be 2 first rounders better than Nix or Penix? Is anybody? There are times where it's obvious. Lawrence is the most recent example. More often than not it's a bad bet. I'm sure the Bears thought they were lucky to draft Mitch Trubisky instead of that Mahomes guy. Hell, he wasn't even in the top ten!
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Would you think the % are better drafting a qb in the 1st round or latter rounds? I'd still take a qb with #3 because hoe many times will you be in this position?
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Would you think the % are better drafting a qb in the 1st round or latter rounds? I'd still take a qb with #3 because hoe many times will you be in this position?
Many times, if you keep taking QB's with the third pick! :) :) :) :)
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If you have a high draft pick, and your biggest need is QB, and there are multiple highly thought-of QBs, then you should take a QB in the first round.
You might have a 50/50 shot of the pick being great or a bust. But your odds of finding a diamond in the rough in a lower round have gotta be less than that. There is reason people are still celebrating Brock Purdy - cause that shit don't happen. That's a lightning strike.
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Would you think the % are better drafting a qb in the 1st round or latter rounds? I'd still take a qb with #3 because hoe many times will you be in this position?
Hoe many times you'll be in that position is exactly why I wouldn't squander a top 3 pick on a longshot.
As to the odds, that's tough to answer. First, I would take one in the 1st round simply for the 5th year option. I just wouldn't necessarily assume that a top 3 QB is going to be better than a top 3 WR, OL, or Edge, because the odds suggest he won't. Of the 2022 QBs the only one taken in the top 5 was Tua. Herbert and the Mighty Daniel Jones were taken 6th. Seems to me that the opportunity Minn is allegedly presenting is the way to go. NE can still get a 1st round QB, but also some other quality, more assured players.
Again, would you want Drake Maye, or would you want the unfortunately named Penix plus two first rounders? Penix might suck, but so might Maye.
edit: Also, my position might change if Jayden Daniels were available there. Higher ceiling, higher floor. It just seems to me that the mantra right now is quarterback or bust, and that's a really, really stupid attitude with such a valuable pick.
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Bob Kraft, always keeping it classy (https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-robert-kraft-reportedly-warned-falcons-owner-arthur-blank-not-to-trust-bill-belichick-134425299.html?.tsrc=940%2619907-1202927-20240418-0&segment_id&bt_user_id=LuXL6%2FUtWhmT%2FT3HMwlHUOQypSC%2FBuKpiF9A7zzBfEBvG%2Fl5ucYZwYoPP6ZYAgF%2F&bt_ts=1713400212441).
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All honesty I don't know. I don't watch college football so I have no clue the disparity between the top 6 or 7 QB's.
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Bob Kraft, always keeping it classy (https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-robert-kraft-reportedly-warned-falcons-owner-arthur-blank-not-to-trust-bill-belichick-134425299.html?.tsrc=940%2619907-1202927-20240418-0&segment_id&bt_user_id=LuXL6%2FUtWhmT%2FT3HMwlHUOQypSC%2FBuKpiF9A7zzBfEBvG%2Fl5ucYZwYoPP6ZYAgF%2F&bt_ts=1713400212441).
I'm not sure how much I buy the original article. At the same time I know Kraft and Blank are longtime allies, so I'd expect him to give his honest opinion of him, and as we all know his honest opinion is pretty silly.
For my part, I'd stick with the time honoured "company policy is that I only confirm that person was employed by us from Jan of '01 to Jan of '24."
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Today on sports radio they talked about Kraft in March saying why they couldn't get a top receiver. He stated that it wasn't money but the girlfriend wanted a warmer state and it might have also been the the lack of QB uncertainty in N.E.
Eliott Wolf was asked this week why they didn't land the receiver. He said they were outbid.
So who's telling the truth? I'd bet Wolf.
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Today on sports radio they talked about Kraft in March saying why they couldn't get a top receiver. He stated that it wasn't money but the girlfriend wanted a warmer state and it might have also been the the lack of QB uncertainty in N.E.
Eliott Wolf was asked this week why they didn't land the receiver. He said they were outbid.
So who's telling the truth? I'd bet Wolf.
Classic!
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Tim, I know you'd agree. I like Kraft but he definitely loves to spin things PR.
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It seems to me that NE is trying very hard to be the anti-Belichick team. That is to say in the manner of doing things, rather than the obvious badmouthing. Part of the reason I think they're reluctant to trade down is because it's exactly what Belichick would have done. One area where this is refreshing, though, is in resigning existing players. In the past I agree completely with Bill's approach to players wanting to leave for bigger bucks. The players you want will stay for slightly less, and fuck the rest of them. Re-sign them when they flame out elsewhere. They're no longer in a position where that works, however. So far they've resigned Onwenu, Uche, Bourne, Anfernee Jennings, Hunter Henry, and most importantly Kyle Dugger. I don't think this happens with Belichick still there.
First thirteen rounds tonight will be interesting to watch.
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I don't know if Wolf is reluctant to trade down, but ownership has made it pretty clear they're looking for a QB.
I think Wolf is hoping to get such a great deal for the #3 pick so he can use it to try and convince the Krafts that is in their best interest to do so.
The local guys have the Pats taking Maye, but one of the radio stations had their betting expert on yesterday and he said that there's some MONEY being laid on the Pats taking McCarthy.
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I don't know if Wolf is reluctant to trade down, but ownership has made it pretty clear they're looking for a QB.
I think Wolf is hoping to get such a great deal for the #3 pick so he can use it to try and convince the Krafts that is in their best interest to do so.
The local guys have the Pats taking Maye, but one of the radio stations had their betting expert on yesterday and he said that there's some MONEY being laid on the Pats taking McCarthy.
I don't trust Dan Lifshatz.
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I don't trust Dan Lifshatz.
You think he was lying? I don't.
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You think he was lying? I don't.
I trust Curran more than I do for Lifshatz.
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Presumably the deal would be good enough that they could trade back up and still take a QB. Nobody really knows how people are grading McCarthy vs Maye. Moving from 3 to 8 might get them Maye/McCarthy plus an extra 1st. The only thing certain is that there will be trades.
As for RKK, and presumably his boy, I have real concerns.
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I trust Curran more than I do for Lifshatz.
I can understand that.
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Presumably the deal would be good enough that they could trade back up and still take a QB. Nobody really knows how people are grading McCarthy vs Maye. Moving from 3 to 8 might get them Maye/McCarthy plus an extra 1st. The only thing certain is that there will be trades.
As for RKK, and presumably his boy, I have real concerns.
I would be more comfortable if they trade with the Giants at #6 so they could get McCarthy if they do trade. Not 11 with the Vikings.
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I would be more comfortable if they trade with the Giants at #6 so they could get McCarthy if they do trade. Not 11 with the Vikings.
The Vikings are the only team with the capital to make it worth while. That second 1st is a major chip to play. Moreover, there's no reason to think that Minnesota doesn't swing a deal with another team to still get in front of NE.
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I know that Maye has lost some ground recently, but I have a sneaky suspicion that whomever winds up with him will be pleased.
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I know that Maye has lost some ground recently, but I have a sneaky suspicion that whomever winds up with him will be pleased.
He definitely sounds like a boom or bust project. I haven't heard anybody suggest that he's ready to start in the NFL. He seems to have all of the qualities you want, though. It's just a matter of his coachability. Sounds like if the right team can develop him they will indeed be pleased. It's just impossible to really predict how these thing will work out.
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The Vikings are the only team with the capital to make it worth while. That second 1st is a major chip to play. Moreover, there's no reason to think that Minnesota doesn't swing a deal with another team to still get in front of NE.
Both the Besrs & the Commanders need a QB. their not trading.
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Both the Besrs & the Commanders need a QB. their not trading.
I was referring to trading to 6th with the NYG. You were presumably suggesting that they could still get Maye or McCarthy with number six, and I wouldn't necessarily bet on that.
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I get that but 6th pick is better than 11.
Exciting times.
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Neither's as good as 11, 23, next year's 1st, and a 2026 2nd.
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Let's hope teams get desperate in those 10 minutes.
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Let's hope teams get desperate in those 10 minutes.
It'll only be Minnesota to make a compelling offer. NYG wouldn't have to spend as much, they're not as desperate, and they don't have multiple #1s.
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You're only thinking of this year. The Pats are looking at multiple years for a rebuild. They can offer multiple #1's from multiple years. It's a reach but you never know how dumb GM's are.
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Bill seems a bit out of place with the younger, McAfee type crowd. At the same time his insight into the process has been great. He's probably more valuable now than he will be during the actual draft.
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Jayden Daniels...take the fucking glasses off. Fucking tool.
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I trust Curran more than I do for Lifshatz.
Lifshatz took a bath. :lol
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As usual. I knew Curran was connected and right.
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Forgot the draft was tonight. Hope Miami takes some OL or a defensive need.
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As usual. I knew Curran was connected and right.
Yeah, I didn't doubt that. I know he's connected and he seemed quite sure of what he was saying.
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Why would the Falcons draft a QB in the first round? Didn't they just sign Cousins to a 4 year deal?
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Why would the Falcons draft a QB in the first round? Didn't they just sign Cousins to a 4 year deal?
Especially an older one..
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Especially an older one..
Right? Very strange...
Pick 8 seems like a reach for Penix even if they had a major need for a QB.
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I don't know what their other needs were, so I'm looking at it from a vacuum, but I don't mind the pick. Cousins is 35 and coming off of a major injury. They signed him for 4 years but really expect him to play 2. Penix will need a year or two to grow into it, and I think Cousins is a great choice to mentor the kid. The only problem I have is that Penix is already 24. Still, Atlanta clearly likes the kid and they know he'll need time to develop him, so I'm good with this.
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I don't know what their other needs were, so I'm looking at it from a vacuum, but I don't mind the pick. Cousins is 35 and coming off of a major injury. They signed him for 4 years but really expect him to play 2. Penix will need a year or two to grow into it, and I think Cousins is a great choice to mentor the kid. The only problem I have is that Penix is already 24. Still, Atlanta clearly likes the kid and they know he'll need time to develop him, so I'm good with this.
They have to have more pressing needs than a QB they don't expect to start for 2-4 years. Though I agree learning under Cousins is a good situation to be in. Still seems like an odd pick to me. Had they traded back 5 picks and taken him it would be a little less odd. They must really like Penix.
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It just came into better focus. Atlanta stands a very good chance of losing their first rounder next year over tampering allegations (regarding Cousins, ironically). The league is expected to announce the punishment "sometime after the draft." They got their replacement now when the pool was good, rather than waiting until 2026 when Cousins is ancient (and might not even work out for them).
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It just came into better focus. Atlanta stands a very good chance of losing their first rounder next year over tampering allegations (regarding Cousins, ironically). The league is expected to announce the punishment "sometime after the draft." They got their replacement now when the pool was good, rather than waiting until 2026 when Cousins is ancient (and might not even work out for them).
Props to Brett Kollman for figuring this out. Dig the guy's channel.
Then that's a slick move.
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That makes sense I guess. With the Vikings, Raiders, and Broncos all sitting back there in need of a QB, it didn't make sense to trade back and get more value out of the pick.
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Buffalo now has ten picks in this draft. Possible they send a handful of them to SF for Aiyuk. That'd be good for NE as it'd leave Mitchell on the board for them. If Mitchell is gone I could see trading down. The WR position hits a dropoff once he's gone, and the next OTs are slotted a good 15-20 picks later.
The AFC South should be damned exciting next year.
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Upon further consideration, Buffalo couldn't swing the trade right now. SF owes him 14m, which they're on the hook for either way. While SF does seem to be shopping him, that dead cap hit would make such a trade all the more expensive. Moreover, whoever picks him up will immediately need to pay him something in the 25m range to keep him. NE actually could do it, and he'd be a good fit. He'd certainly be a better option than drafting Mitchell, but it'd be ballsy. Moreover, they'd need to keep enough capital to trade back up to grab one of the second tier OTs.
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I'm loving the new Texans alternate uniforms and the whole H-town thing. I'm not from there but I'll watch.
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Didn't get to watch the Draft yesterday, saw clips of BB's analysis, which was great but I don't know if I could have watched the whole thing with that group constantly interrupting him and being their annoying selves.
Don't know much about the Bucs's pick for Center but seems like a solid pick.
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I'm happy with the two picks the Vikings made. Don't love the price paid to trade up for both of them though. Bring on the JJ McCarthy era!
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Didn't get to watch the Draft yesterday, saw clips of BB's analysis, which was great but I don't know if I could have watched the whole thing with that group constantly interrupting him and being their annoying selves.
Don't know much about the Bucs's pick for Center but seems like a solid pick.
When they were actually analyzing stuff it was great, but they really were more about themselves than the draft. There were times they'd be doing their shtick and miss multiple picks (though in fairness some of it was interviews). I split my time 50/50 between them (when Belichick was up) and Bootleg Sport's coverage. Really dig Brett Kollman's analysis, and they're both so chill. While McAfee was doing his manic thing, bouncing off the walls, those two were chilling on a giant couch drinking Red Breast and talking football.
A couple of times when they were goofing off Belichick was quietly working on his computer or his phone. Turns out he was getting the coaches and GMs he worked with to facetime or show up. That was another asset of having him around.
The Mutual Admiration Society meeting with Bill and St. Rodgers was very nice to see. Those two seem to have a real fondness for one another.
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While the last thing NE really needs is another corner, if they can't get Mitchell, Kool-Aid (yes, that's his name) might be too good to pass up. Guy's a legit first round CB. Everybody else will be in the second tier. With him and Gonzalez on the outside, move Jo Jones inside with Dugger and they might become the premier secondary in the league.
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Forgot the draft was tonight. Hope Miami takes some OL or a defensive need.
No idea if he will pan out in the NFL, but I've watched Chop Robinson a lot the last few years as a PSU fan and he's a great player. Seems like a great guy and team leader too. He's super quick as well. Hope he works out for you.
Pretty happy with the Giants taking Nabers. The best QBs and Marvin were off the board, WR was a need, and the giants didn't reach for Penix or McCarthy. Clearly they are riding Jones this year, which I don't hate even if I don't really like him, it just makes sense really unless they could have gotten one of the top QBs.
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I'm happy with the two picks the Vikings made. Don't love the price paid to trade up for both of them though. Bring on the JJ McCarthy era!
To say the Vikings overpaid is an understatement, they’ve left themselves with 3 total picks in the ‘25 draft.
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To say the Vikings overpaid is an understatement, they’ve left themselves with 3 total picks in the ‘25 draft.
They'll get a compensatory pick and possibly something from the Falcons for the tampering. But yeah... they better feel really strongly about the players they got.
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I was happy to see the Jets recoup a couple mid round picks to drop back a spot before making the boring/smart choice. I was excited about Odunze being on the board as we got closer and closer to 10, but given who we signed to play OL this year a tackle is probably a better call.
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I like the Patriots trading down as nobody was going to take their guy. I'm not sure I'm crazy about their guy, though. Given a choice between an true X receiver and a slot receiver, where Pop Douglas has been fitting in nicely, I think you take the X with Adonai Mitchell. There's gotta be something wrong with the kid that the GMs know and the media does not.
That said, Polk is a great receiver and a great fit in NE. Elite hands, and great at fighting for balls. He's essentially Jacobi Meyers II. He'll be nice to have around. I just don't see the need.
edit: Seems like NE gave up a 5 to get the 4, so now I"m not all that high on the trade down. Also, the conventional wisdom is that they went the slot route to try and keep Maye a bit more level-headed. He had a tendency towards hero-ball, and they want a safety blanket for him. Makes sense, I guess.
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No idea if he will pan out in the NFL, but I've watched Chop Robinson a lot the last few years as a PSU fan and he's a great player. Seems like a great guy and team leader too. He's super quick as well. Hope he works out for you.
Thanks man, and looks like we did draft OL today.
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So...is Bo Nix any good? At least likely to be better than Zach Wilson? His numbers in the minors last year look pretty good, but that doesn't mean it will translate.
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edit: Seems like NE gave up a 5 to get the 4, so now I"m not all that high on the trade down.
Why? They moved up 27 spots and got the 10th pick in the 4th.
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Why? They moved up 27 spots and got the 10th pick in the 4th.
It wasn't a particularly bad deal, but it just seemed it could have been a lot better.
Chargers get: Nos. 34, 137
Patriots get: Nos. 37, 110
Falcons get: Nos. 35, 186
Cardinals get: Nos. 43, 79
Falcons get: Nos. 35, 186
Cardinals get: Nos. 43, 79
Granted, the next two teams moved down further, but considering that NE was after a receiver that they were likely taking ahead of everybody else, the could have swung something similar. I don't dislike the trade (or the player). I initially thought it was much better than it was, and in retrospect think they could have done a bit better.
You see the arm on the kid they drafted in the 6th? Cannon doesn't do it justice. Gods only know if he'll ever learn to use it, but he's got one of the strongest arms you'll ever see.
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Couldn't watch more than five picks in the draft. Dislike most of it. They have the worst fans of all time in the front row (I can't for the life of me fathom how they get 150,000 people to show up for that), and Roger Goodell trying to be a gangster and clasping hands and hugging each of the picks makes me nauseous. I get it, it's a me problem and I own it.
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Couldn't watch more than five picks in the draft. Dislike most of it. They have the worst fans of all time in the front row (I can't for the life of me fathom how they get 150,000 people to show up for that), and Roger Goodell trying to be a gangster and clasping hands and hugging each of the picks makes me nauseous. I get it, it's a me problem and I own it.
That's why you watch one of the many alternative broadcasts on YT. Not sure why you wouldn't have watched Belichick on the first night. Dude was highly enlightening.
And Goodell has always bro-hugged draftees. The story this draft is that JC Latham might have turned him into a cripple. Dude didn't walk well for the rest of the night.
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I'm not sure why I didn't listen to Belichick. I should have. I don't mind McAfee, either, so that wouldn't have been a stretch.
And yeah, I know it (the Goodell hug) has been going on for a while; I've been nauseous for a while, too. :) :) :)
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So...is Bo Nix any good? At least likely to be better than Zach Wilson? His numbers in the minors last year look pretty good, but that doesn't mean it will translate.
Yes. I think he's pro-ready. Maybe not "start game 1" ready, but that wouldn't surprise me, either.
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Couldn't watch more than five picks in the draft. Dislike most of it. They have the worst fans of all time in the front row (I can't for the life of me fathom how they get 150,000 people to show up for that), and Roger Goodell trying to be a gangster and clasping hands and hugging each of the picks makes me nauseous. I get it, it's a me problem and I own it.
You aren't the only one who finds it unwatchable. I think the whole thing is really interesting how it works and the behind close doors deals and the excitement.... but none of that translates to good TV for me. Let alone how you actually want to be there in person.
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Anyone watch the Roast of Tom Brady on Netflix? I rolled my eyes when they announced it and said Kevin Hart was going to host. I wanted to check the first few mins and holy shit this is brutal, loll I ended up watching an hour because it was relentless. Who knew Drew Bledsoe could do a comic standup bit. Nikki Glaser just killed it, and Kevin Hart so far has actually been funny. Randy Moss was the only dud so far, though I don't blame him.
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Anyone watch the Roast of Tom Brady on Netflix? I rolled my eyes when they announced it and said Kevin Hart was going to host. I wanted to check the first few mins and holy shit this is brutal, loll I ended up watching an hour because it was relentless. Who knew Drew Bledsoe could do a comic standup bit. Nikki Glaser just killed it, and Kevin Hart so far has actually been funny. Randy Moss was the only dud so far, though I don't blame him.
Nikki Glaser is hilarious. Did Bill really mention the 10-part documentary as his own roast?
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Nikki Glaser is hilarious. Did Bill really mention the 10-part documentary as his own roast?
Just watched his part, he did indeed take a dig at it. His bit was great.
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Anyone watch the Roast of Tom Brady on Netflix? I rolled my eyes when they announced it and said Kevin Hart was going to host. I wanted to check the first few mins and holy shit this is brutal, loll I ended up watching an hour because it was relentless. Who knew Drew Bledsoe could do a comic standup bit. Nikki Glaser just killed it, and Kevin Hart so far has actually been funny. Randy Moss was the only dud so far, though I don't blame him.
I want to check this out. The roasts are often pretty funny and sometimes its because of how bad the celebrity roasters are. Nikki has been funny on these before.
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Man they really went all out with everyone. The whole thing is 3 hours long, watched an hour last night, some today, might finish the rest later tonight. The players were more cordial after the roast but the comedians never let up.
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Now I know Jeffrey Ross is on, I'm going to check it out. Apparently Brady got up and whispered in his ear "Knock that shit off" when Ross mentioned the massage parlor incident; that alone makes Jeffrey Ross the GOAT in my eyes, since I now despise Robert Kraft that backstabbing self-aggrandizing son of a bitch.
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Now I know Jeffrey Ross is on, I'm going to check it out. Apparently Brady got up and whispered in his ear "Knock that shit off" when Ross mentioned the massage parlor incident; that alone makes Jeffrey Ross the GOAT in my eyes, since I now despise Robert Kraft that backstabbing self-aggrandizing son of a bitch.
There's a theme in the whole thing which you tend to realize, the comedians just go all out no holds barred on anyone, like literally anyone, the kids, the family, everyone! The players hold back a bit. Brady's thing got caught in the mic to Jeff Ross about "don't say that shit again", which have prompted people online to speculate it may have been a planned bit, but who the hell knows.
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There's a theme in the whole thing which you tend to realize, the comedians just go all out no holds barred on anyone, like literally anyone, the kids, the family, everyone! The players hold back a bit. Brady's thing got caught in the mic to Jeff Ross about "don't say that shit again", which have prompted people online to speculate it may have been a planned bit, but who the hell knows.
And I have no doubt that Jeffrey Ross was like "whatever, dude". He's certainly said a lot worse about a lot better people than Bob Kraft.
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Jeff Ross is usually the best, got a picture with him somewhere from one of those big comedy tours like 5 or so years ago that he hosted but during sets would just wonder the crowd and chat with people.
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Now I know Jeffrey Ross is on, I'm going to check it out. Apparently Brady got up and whispered in his ear "Knock that shit off" when Ross mentioned the massage parlor incident; that alone makes Jeffrey Ross the GOAT in my eyes, since I now despise Robert Kraft that backstabbing self-aggrandizing son of a bitch.
I haven't seen it, but from what I've read that wasn't the joke. The joke was TB12 offering to give RKK a "massage." Huge difference. :lol
I guess I'd have to see it, but it'd be interesting if he felt the need to stand up for his own masculinity more than his beloved former boss and friend.
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I wish Greg Giraldo was still alive. Best roaster ever. I usually binge watch his old roasts once a year.
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I wish Greg Giraldo was still alive. Best roaster ever. I usually binge watch his old roasts once a year.
I gave up on these roasts when they started becoming more of a mainstream thing, and have no interest in watching this one. But I would think differently if Greg Giraldo was still alive and participated in this.
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I haven't seen it, but from what I've read that wasn't the joke. The joke was TB12 offering to give RKK a "massage." Huge difference. :lol
I guess I'd have to see it, but it'd be interesting if he felt the need to stand up for his own masculinity more than his beloved former boss and friend.
No, you're 100% correct, I just phrased it very poorly. But you're right, it does make a difference, because it is (or could be) a very different joke otherwise. :) :) :)
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The roast was hilarious.....Jason Whitlock said it best when he pointed out that with it being on Netflix all the PC crap was out the window....it really opened it up to anything goes.....and it went.
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Jeff Ross has since stated Tom wasn't offended, I think it was all in good fun. Although after Jeff finished and those two talked, Kevin Hart making fun of Jeff for trying to be nice to Tom was hilarious.
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Howard Stern asksing Nikki Glaser about the Kraft joke, saying that they didn't know if Kraft was going to be at the show and TB treats him as a father figure, which he didn't want people to go there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WhxJ4QsXmc&ab_channel=TheHowardSternShow
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Nikki Glaser goodness gracious. I originally typed out the joke but it really needs her delivery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFHXnJeF2PI
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I don't know if they have help or not - I'm guessing "yes" - but these roasts show how much research comedians do for these things. I think you really have to know your subject - not just the person, but the career, the industry, whatever - to make good jokes.
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Good take here on TB's narcissism. The fact that it's his face being used to advertise the first Fox game of the week with the actual teams playing in tiny font speaks volumes. Normal people would say "hey that's a little over the top, let's just be about the game". Good closeup of the sunken cheeks though. What'd they use, a shop vac? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvAz__nn2I
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It's called marketing and so many do it now. Even this old fart post stupid stuff like where I am.
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Good take here on TB's narcissism. The fact that it's his face being used to advertise the first Fox game of the week with the actual teams playing in tiny font speaks volumes. Normal people would say "hey that's a little over the top, let's just be about the game". Good closeup of the sunken cheeks though. What'd they use, a shop vac? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvAz__nn2I
Wow, your hatred runs deep. At least we're talking about Brady who has ACTUALLY DONE IT rather than Mahomes who still has to actually achieve the greatness so many are willing to foist on him.
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Wow, your hatred runs deep. At least we're talking about Brady who has ACTUALLY DONE IT rather than Mahomes who still has to actually achieve the greatness so many are willing to foist on him.
Patrick Mahomes has been to 4 straight Super Bowls and won 3 of them. He's a first ballot HoFer so let's just confirm that he has achieved "greatness".
Will he surpass TB? Doubtful but I know the Chiefs fans around these parts are incredibly happy!
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You're stepping into a conversation that is four years - or more - in the making. My beef isn't with Mahomes; he is truly great, there's no question about that. But he's not the GOAT, which is what many people have been saying for well before he even won his second. My beef is with the way people have to anoint the next greatest before they have even achieved great, and with how we have to tear down those that ARE the GOAT in order to justify "our opinion". Mahomes IS great; he's not in the top three GOATS, though, not yet. When he does a complete iteration of all his supporting cast and THEN achieves what he did - which is what Brady did, TWICE - then he's in the conversation.
But again, you're watching a TV show and tuned in 41 minutes after the hour; Dream Team has been taking every opportunity to denigrate and downplay Brady (often but not always in favor of Mahomes) for years now.
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You're stepping into a conversation that is four years - or more - in the making. My beef isn't with Mahomes; he is truly great, there's no question about that. But he's not the GOAT, which is what many people have been saying for well before he even won his second. My beef is with the way people have to anoint the next greatest before they have even achieved great, and with how we have to tear down those that ARE the GOAT in order to justify "our opinion". Mahomes IS great; he's not in the top three GOATS, though, not yet. When he does a complete iteration of all his supporting cast and THEN achieves what he did - which is what Brady did, TWICE - then he's in the conversation.
But again, you're watching a TV show and tuned in 41 minutes after the hour; Dream Team has been taking every opportunity to denigrate and downplay Brady (often but not always in favor of Mahomes) for years now.
Oh, I've been following this thread for a long time. I agree that TB is the GOAT but to deny PM greatness is unfair. BTW - when you respond to PH being the GOAT - you're just getting played.
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FFS
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LOL
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I'm already imaging how delicious the tears are going to be of certain persons in this thread when Brady announces a Chiefs game this year and Taylor Swift is on the screen at the same time he is talking.
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I'm already imaging how delicious the tears are going to be of certain persons in this thread when Brady announces a Chiefs game this year and Taylor Swift is on the screen at the same time he is talking.
I'd even watch that with the sound up!
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I'm already imaging how delicious the tears are going to be of certain persons in this thread when Brady announces a Chiefs game this year and Taylor Swift is on the screen at the same time he is talking.
:biggrin:
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I'm already imaging how delicious the tears are going to be of certain persons in this thread when Brady announces a Chiefs game this year and Taylor Swift is on the screen at the same time he is talking.
Yes, it will be great to see Brady refer to Mahomes as the GOAT during his commentary. :biggrin:
I am curious how his commentary will be, I don't know if he has the natural charisma for it.
Belichick is supposed to be a permanent guest on the Manningcast, hopefully it's even fewer guests and more football talk between the 3 of them.
Bucs make Winfield highest paid safety and deservedly so. The guy's been a stud every season. Wirfs is next, can't believe they both got drafted the same year.
I think the past 5 years or so the front office for the Bucs has been doing pretty good, drafting well getting good talent who have been performing well. All in all Jason Licht as the GM has been doing a solid job.
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Yes, it will be great to see Brady refer to Mahomes as the GOAT during his commentary. :biggrin:
Would you believe him if he did, or would you chalk it up to modesty?
I am curious how his commentary will be, I don't know if he has the natural charisma for it.
Belichick is supposed to be a permanent guest on the Manningcast, hopefully it's even fewer guests and more football talk between the 3 of them.
I never thought of him as particularly charismatic, so I never figured he'd be good at this. You never know, though. As for Belichick and the Mannings, it'll be good the first night. After that I think it'll get old. Belichick is obviously great at doing the Xs and Os, but not so great at the juvenile banter that seems to be en vogue nowadays.
Bucs make Winfield highest paid safety and deservedly so. The guy's been a stud every season. Wirfs is next, can't believe they both got drafted the same year.
Damn glad they did it now and not two weeks ago. NE got a relative bargain with Dugger.
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I suspect he will be better than Romo but who knows.
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Be being than Romo at this juncture won't take much, but the optics now, with Brady having waited a year to do this, are now that he is replacing Greg Olsen, who had evolved into a really good color commentator on Fox's number 1 team last year. Brady will get a lot of time and rope to get good obviously, but it could be rough going early on.
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I don't expect him to be good at it at all.
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Leaks of the 2024 schedule indicates Netflix is getting the Christmas games.
Reportedly paying 150 million per game. That's kinda crazy.
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Schedule officially out, Bucs get 4 prime time games.
Chargers social media team at it again posting the schedule as Sims characters... so many easter eggs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gt0v7iW890&ab_channel=LosAngelesChargers
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I don't expect him to be good at it at all.
I just hope he brings his knowledge to the game and doesn't try to be a "personality". It's a fine line, and some don't balance it right; Romo started off by bringing his football acumen; now he's trying to be a "personality" and Jim Nantz is sucking him down the toilet.
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Romo was so much fun to listen to in the first couple of years. I guess they all have to "evolve" into something more boombastic to stay current.
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I just hope he brings his knowledge to the game and doesn't try to be a "personality". It's a fine line, and some don't balance it right; Romo started off by bringing his football acumen; now he's trying to be a "personality" and Jim Nantz is sucking him down the toilet.
By and large a I agree, but Romo was always walking that line. Even when he just started off, and all of that football knowledge was on display, there were plenty of times when I just wanted him to STFU. He tried like hell to ruin the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, and he wasn't even lusting after Mahomes at that point.
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Wow the Steelers last half of their schedule is legit the toughest I've ever seen. They play ALL 6 of their division games in the last 8 weeks of the season with 2 Super Bowl teams being the other 2 games (Chiefs, Eagles). They better go about 7-2 over their first nine or bye-bye playoff hopes.
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The Eagles are a Super Bowl team?
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The Eagles are a Super Bowl team?
I mean, they HAVE BEEN in the Super Bowl before. Maybe that's the only metric being used?
In that case, the Panthers are also a Super Bowl team! Yay!
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I'm not sure a majority of their players or fans know how to spell Super Bowl.
EDIT: Eagles, not Panthers.
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I'm not sure a majority of their players or fans know how to spell Super Bowl.
EDIT: Eagles, not Panthers.
I would also have accepted Panthers.
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By and large a I agree, but Romo was always walking that line. Even when he just started off, and all of that football knowledge was on display, there were plenty of times when I just wanted him to STFU. He tried like hell to ruin the Pats/Chiefs playoff game, and he wasn't even lusting after Mahomes at that point.
Romo's problem, allegedly, is that he is lazy and doesn't do his homework. That worked when he had first retired and started broadcasting because he was familiar with most of the players still, but most of the guys who were in the league when he was playing are now retired as well, so he is clueless about a lot of them, not to mention that he doesn't know when to shut up. Him yapping non-stop after the Chiefs winning TD in the Super Bowl broke a cardinal rule of announcing. In a moment like that, you let the play-by-play announcer make the call and then don't say anything for a good 20-30 seconds at least; let the moment speak for itself. Go back to Auburn/Alabama when Auburn scored that winning TD off the missed FG. There was literally a minute of silence by the announcers as they let the moment and the roar of the crowd do the talking. Romo is like the kid in school who always gets in trouble because he never knows how or when to keep his yap closed.
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In a moment like that, you let the play-by-play announcer make the call and then don't say anything for a good 20-30 seconds at least; let the moment speak for itself.
Or, spend the next five minutes badmouthing the other coach for his play call. :lol
My take on Romo is a bit different. It used to be that he had a wicked sharp understanding of defenses and play calling. The aforementioned Pat/Chief's game was a prefect example. Hoss Y Juke is well known now, but he was catching it in real time in all its variations. He was watching the game from Brady's perspective and knew what all the routes would be and which D player it would hinge on. I don't see that dissection of the game from him anymore. I'm wondering if that's the familiarity with the game that has passed him by. In any case, he does seem to be leaning more on his personality than his analysis, like Stadler said.
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The Eagles were in the SB 2 years ago and were 10-1 last year when the wheels mysteriously fell off. Everyone says they still have the best roster in the league. They’ll be in the hunt for the SB again. But heck, fine, let’s call it a cakewalk game for the Steelers then. :tup
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It'll be interesting to see how much Jason Kelce's retirement affects the Eagles' offense.
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Wow the Steelers last half of their schedule is legit the toughest I've ever seen. They play ALL 6 of their division games in the last 8 weeks of the season with 2 Super Bowl teams being the other 2 games (Chiefs, Eagles). They better go about 7-2 over their first nine or bye-bye playoff hopes.
Sorry guys, I meant to type Super Bowl CALIBER teams :facepalm:. Usually proofread better than that.
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The best division in the NFL.
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For all of the attention that the triplets got for the 90's era cowboys, Larry Allen was probably the most dominant player at his position of that era, and a huge part of the reason it all came together the way that it did. I'm not sure Emmett gets the record without Allen to run behind, and he made all three of them much better. Dude was the anchor of one of the all time great O-lines. Sad to see him go at 52.
It'll be interesting to hear what his peers have to say about him over the next day or two. Probably some real good stories.
Also, 325lbs, benched 700, and ran a 4.8 40. Talk about an absolute freak of nature.
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For all of the attention that the triplets got for the 90's era cowboys, Larry Allen was probably the most dominant player at his position of that era, and a huge part of the reason it all came together the way that it did. I'm not sure Emmett gets the record without Allen to run behind, and he made all three of them much better. Dude was the anchor of one of the all time great O-lines. Sad to see him go at 52.
It'll be interesting to hear what his peers have to say about him over the next day or two. Probably some real good stories.
Also, 325lbs, benched 700, and ran a 4.8 40. Talk about an absolute freak of nature.
I remember John Randle and others talking about playing against Allen. Someone asked Randle if he ever tried bullrushing him and Randle looked at him as if he was from another planet :lol.
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Ross Tucker told a story about the year he spent with the Cowboys (2002) and started 7 games at LG because of an injury to Allen. He said that, when the starting lineups were announced, the opposing D-linemen were high-fiving each other because they didn't have to deal with Allen.
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Ross Tucker told a story about the year he spent with the Cowboys (2002) and started 7 games at LG because of an injury to Allen. He said that, when the starting lineups were announced, the opposing D-linemen were high-fiving each other because they didn't have to deal with Allen.
Yeah, also saw that a lot of times they'd have "nagging injuries" that prevented them from playing. You know, ooh my hammy's a little tight or I have a strained pec. :lol