I was just thinking about how you will read about feuds existing between bands/individual musicians, and curious if DT or it's members have ever found itself in a feud with another band/individual musician?
They all seem like such nice guys, and was just curious.
Well DT (especially MP) and Geoff Tate did not get along well for awhile but I don't know of any others.
Queenrsyche is really the closest thing, and they didn't really feud as much as they didn't enjoy each other's company on tour, and certain members wound up being very vocal about it afterwards.
Blind Melon.
:lol :lol
I was thinking of them and the dope from Children of Bodom.
Not a band, but they've had lots of problems with David Prater, the guy who produced I&W and ACOS. The conflict which unfolded between them constitutes by far the most interesting and entertaining chapters of Lifting Shadows. Prater once showed up on DTF to defend himself while pretending to be a third party and he trash-talks DT in YouTube comments to this day. :lol
Quote from: Sycsa on December 16, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
Prater once showed up on DTF to defend himself while pretending to be a third party and he trash-talks DT in YouTube comments to this day. :lol
I remember that! :rollin
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 16, 2013, 12:16:22 PM
I was thinking of them and the dope from Children of Bodom.
Dave Mustaine said he left Bodom out of the Gigantour 2005 bill to avoid conflicts between the two bands and Alexi Laiho has later apologized for his comment on DT and JP's playing, but I don't remember the DT guys ever acknowledging COB.
MP once responded to Mastodon members' remarks on DT: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-drummer-responds-to-mastodon-s-stupid-remarks/ Another good reason for me not to care about Mastodon :lol
EDIT: Looks like MP did mention Children of Bodom after all
^^ Where did he mention Children of Bodom?
EDIT: never mind, I guess you meant in the article linked above yours.
Quote from: ? on December 16, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 16, 2013, 12:16:22 PM
I was thinking of them and the dope from Children of Bodom.
Dave Mustaine said he left Bodom out of the Gigantour 2005 bill to avoid conflicts between the two bands and Alexi Laiho has later apologized for his comment on DT and JP's playing, but I don't remember the DT guys ever acknowledging COB.
MP once responded to Mastodon members' remarks on DT: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-drummer-responds-to-mastodon-s-stupid-remarks/ Another good reason for me not to care about Mastodon :lol
EDIT: Looks like MP did mention Children of Bodom after all
Yeah I read an online chat thing where Alex blamed it on himself being young and arrogant. Mike makes an excellent point though at the end of that article you linked to. For every band that disses them, they get accolades from bands like Yes, Rush, etc.
Styx and Dream Theater being my two favorite bands, I always look out for if one EVER mentions the other. So far, I've found literally no more than 3 connections, this being one of them- https://youtu.be/ehxJ1vg7jJs?t=40s . Apparently DT's road crew wasn't so nice to JY? :( I can still hope they write an album and tour together some day right?? :P :lol
Regarding the Mastodon thing, I don't know anything about the situation personally, but based on the quote from Brent, it seems pretty clear he was joking around.
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 16, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
I also saw this after a quick search
https://jasonbieler.com/2013/06/20/dream-theater-vs-saigon-kick-kerfuffle-of-1992/
Quote from: ? on December 16, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 16, 2013, 12:16:22 PM
I was thinking of them and the dope from Children of Bodom.
Dave Mustaine said he left Bodom out of the Gigantour 2005 bill to avoid conflicts between the two bands and Alexi Laiho has later apologized for his comment on DT and JP's playing, but I don't remember the DT guys ever acknowledging COB.
MP once responded to Mastodon members' remarks on DT: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-drummer-responds-to-mastodon-s-stupid-remarks/ Another good reason for me not to care about Mastodon :lol
EDIT: Looks like MP did mention Children of Bodom after all
What did Alexi say about JP's playing?
^^ He didn't focus on JP specifically, but said DT's music in general was "lame" and "sport, not music".
Any links to wherever he said that? I see (as you people say) he apologized, but it would be an interesting read.
I remember in 2010, when Dragonforce was looking for a new vocalist, in an interview, one of them said something like, "For our band, a vocalist couldn't be less important if his name was James LaBrie." I don't think anyone in DT has ever given them the time of day by responding to this comment, but it is quite the bullshit of a comment, and if it made it on DT's radar, I can't imagine they think very highly of Dragonfarce.
I find that hard to believe. If I remember correctly, Herman Li at least is a big fan of Petrucci, and cites him as one of his main inspirations.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 16, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
I remember in 2010, when Dragonforce was looking for a new vocalist, in an interview, one of them said something like, "For our band, a vocalist couldn't be less important if his name was James LaBrie." I don't think anyone in DT has ever given them the time of day by responding to this comment, but it is quite the bullshit of a comment, and if it made it on DT's radar, I can't imagine they think very highly of Dragonfarce.
i don't find it TOO offensive. Of course it's an exaggeration, but JLB does hang out in that tent behind petrucci's amps for a chunk of the show
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2013, 06:16:35 PM
I find that hard to believe. If I remember correctly, Herman Li at least is a big fan of Petrucci, and cites him as one of his main inspirations.
Well, it was a shot at JLB, not Petrucci or DT in general.
Quote from: chrisbDTM on December 16, 2013, 06:20:45 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 16, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
I remember in 2010, when Dragonforce was looking for a new vocalist, in an interview, one of them said something like, "For our band, a vocalist couldn't be less important if his name was James LaBrie." I don't think anyone in DT has ever given them the time of day by responding to this comment, but it is quite the bullshit of a comment, and if it made it on DT's radar, I can't imagine they think very highly of Dragonfarce.
i don't find it TOO offensive. Of course it's an exaggeration, but JLB does hang out in that tent behind petrucci's amps for a chunk of the show
Yeah, but that's like saying that JLB's vocals are unimportant to Dream Theater. It has nothing to do with JLB remedying his voice behind the scenes (as opposed to doing a little dance or spin-prancing across the stage like ue used to do). It just seems insulting because he's basically saying that while DT's music is awesome, their vocalist is expendable.
Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 16, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on December 16, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
Prater once showed up on DTF to defend himself while pretending to be a third party and he trash-talks DT in YouTube comments to this day. :lol
I remember that! :rollin
Classic. :lol I suspected/knew from the first post it was him. I hope we archived that thread!
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 16, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
I remember in 2010, when Dragonforce was looking for a new vocalist, in an interview, one of them said something like, "For our band, a vocalist couldn't be less important if his name was James LaBrie." I don't think anyone in DT has ever given them the time of day by responding to this comment, but it is quite the bullshit of a comment, and if it made it on DT's radar, I can't imagine they think very highly of Dragonfarce.
I don't remember that, and I'm a huge fan of DragonForce. At that point they didn't even gave VERY few interviews, it was kind of a silent period of the band, and all the members are huge Dream Theater fans. Hell, come on https://instagram.com/p/M83BO3m60n/# If any of them had actually said that, I'm above sure I would remember.
Wow. Okay, I guess I must have severely misread the article... Turns out it wasn't someone in Dragonforce who said that, but the writer of the actual article.
https://www.metalsucks.net/2010/03/09/dragonforce-lose-singer-everyone-else-goes-about-their-business/
So yeah, my mistake. Also, fuck this Axl Rosenberg. Wasn't there a discussion on this board about how he talks a lot of shit and doesn't know what he's talking about? Or was that a different self-important, over-opinionated 'journalist'?
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 16, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
:lol
That's classic.
By the way, reading that Blabbermouth interview about DT and Mastodon, MP said that the question in the interview was provoking an insulting response toward DT. Does anyone know what that question was?
Quote from: Daso on December 16, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
I don't remember that, and I'm a huge fan of DragonForce. At that point they didn't even gave VERY few interviews, it was kind of a silent period of the band, and all the members are huge Dream Theater fans. Hell, come on https://instagram.com/p/M83BO3m60n/# If any of them had actually said that, I'm above sure I would remember.
Always cool to see Petrucci and Myung hanging out in their spare time
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 16, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
I remember that; it was mentioned in the Lifting Shadows book!
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 16, 2013, 07:42:16 PM
By the way, reading that Blabbermouth interview about DT and Mastodon, MP said that the question in the interview was provoking an insulting response toward DT. Does anyone know what that question was?
If I remember correctly, Brent, from Mastodon, was asked what he thought of Dream Theater. His response was something along the lines of "At least we don't have a Chinese girl playing bass."
Quote from: MonagFam on December 16, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 16, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
I also saw this after a quick search
https://jasonbieler.com/2013/06/20/dream-theater-vs-saigon-kick-kerfuffle-of-1992/
That was a good little read - thanks for hunting it down and sharing.
I think JP and Mike Stone from Queensryche didn't get on very well.
Quote from: Onno on December 16, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 16, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
I know that they had a brief feud with Saigon Kick when they were both touring in 1992. Somehow they both got booked to co-headline a show in San Francisco together. Arguments had ensued as to who would play first. DT ended up playing first since Saigon Kick had a hit at the time. Ironically, after DT finished their set, the whole audience left (except roughly 20 people) so SK never bothered playing.
I know Chris McLernon (bassist) commented on this later - verifying the above facts and essentially said it was a stupid argument or something to that effect.
I remember that; it was mentioned in the Lifting Shadows book!
Scotty IS the Lifting Shadows book. ;)
Quote from: wolfking on December 17, 2013, 04:31:10 AM
I think JP and Mike Stone from Queensryche didn't get on very well.
This is where JP got the inspiration for "As I Am".
Didn't JP have to teach him his own guitar parts when DT toured with Queensryche?
I'm sure I heard that somewhere
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 17, 2013, 04:55:30 AM
Scotty IS the Lifting Shadows book. ;)
LOL! Thanks, but no. Rich Wilson is the Lifting Shadows book. I'm just the index! :biggrin:
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on December 17, 2013, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 17, 2013, 04:55:30 AM
Scotty IS the Lifting Shadows book. ;)
LOL! Thanks, but no. Rich Wilson is the Lifting Shadows book. I'm just the index! :biggrin:
:lol :tup
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 16, 2013, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 16, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on December 16, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
Prater once showed up on DTF to defend himself while pretending to be a third party and he trash-talks DT in YouTube comments to this day. :lol
I remember that! :rollin
Classic. :lol I suspected/knew from the first post it was him. I hope we archived that thread!
What the hell...how did you figure that out? Please say it is archived.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.0
There was also that twitter thing with Limp Bizkit guitarist Wes Borland...
Quote from: DreamerTV on December 17, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
There was also that twitter thing with Limp Bizkit guitarist Wes Borland...
Wasn't it established that Borland was just trolling?
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 17, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.0
:rollin
OMG
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
:rollin
OMG
I know. :lol
Honestly, not to bring up the whole Prater thing again, but what I find hilariously ironic is that he talks about how every time MP talked about him, he was angry and bitter and spit fire, but that's pretty much all I hear from Prater when referring to MP and DT. I think he did a fine job with what he did for the band, but every time he talks about them, he seems bitter and spiteful and makes it seem like the only good aspects of DT came from him. He just doesn't come off like a very pleasant person, and yet he constantly reminds us that he's just stating the facts. ::)
Was it ever actually proven that that was Prater? Just curious. Just because a name was used from his myspace page doesn't automatically mean it was him. A fan could have easily registered to make it look like him, just to make him look bad and the band look good. On the internet, it could definitely happen. :lol :lol
Quote from: KevShmev on December 18, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
Was it ever actually proven that that was Prater? Just curious. Just because a name was used from his myspace page doesn't automatically mean it was him. A fan could have easily registered to make it look like him, just to make him look bad and the band look good. On the internet, it could definitely happen. :lol :lol
And yet, that's exactly how he sounds in the Lifting Shadows book.
Well, sounding combative and arrogant, which he comes off as in the book, really isn't that hard. :lol :lol
Quote from: KevShmev on December 18, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
Well, sounding combative and arrogant, which he comes off as in the book, really isn't that hard. :lol :lol
That is true. My point is that even if it was a fan who came in here and tried to make David Prater look bad, they still very accurately portrayed his tone. At least consistent with the book.
Dammit, now I have this image in my head of Dream Theater being cartoon characters like in Metalocalypse, and David Prater being the main villain, haha.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 18, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
:rollin
OMG
I know. :lol
Honestly, not to bring up the whole Prater thing again, but what I find hilariously ironic is that he talks about how every time MP talked about him, he was angry and bitter and spit fire, but that's pretty much all I hear from Prater when referring to MP and DT. I think he did a fine job with what he did for the band, but every time he talks about them, he seems bitter and spiteful and makes it seem like the only good aspects of DT came from him. He just doesn't come off like a very pleasant person, and yet he constantly reminds us that he's just stating the facts. ::)
Which user name was Prater using?
havona
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
havona
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566
Thank you Sir :tup
I had always heard about the time Prater came into the DTF and defended himself, interesting read but a bummer he didn't continue on after being found out.
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
havona
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566
Again, where is the proof that that was Prater?
Quote from: KevShmev on December 18, 2013, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
havona
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566
Again, where is the proof that that was Prater?
After reading his posts (the style, the names, the details), his YouTube comments (which shows that he's active on the internet and still unable to let DT go) and the Lifting Shadows book, it still cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Prater, but assuming the contrary is an even bigger leap of faith, so I'm going with the more plausible version. If it were just a(n incredibly well researched) fan trolling, why stop after merely three comments? He might have actually been the assistant engineer who he claimed to be, but why would he bother defending his coworker on the internet regarding an almost 20 year old issue?
Quote from: Sycsa on December 19, 2013, 03:10:02 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on December 18, 2013, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: JayOctavarium on December 18, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
havona
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566)
Again, where is the proof that that was Prater?
After reading his posts (the style, the names, the details), his YouTube comments (which shows that he's active on the internet and still unable to let DT go) and the Lifting Shadows book, it still cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Prater, but assuming the contrary is an even bigger leap of faith, so I'm going with the more plausible version. If it were just a(n incredibly well researched) fan trolling, why stop after merely three comments? He might have actually been the assistant engineer who he claimed to be, but why would he bother defending his coworker on the internet regarding an almost 20 year old issue?
Re-reading the posts, based on writing style alone, I have no doubt that it was him.