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Title: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: djentlemen on August 18, 2011, 05:34:21 AM
for some reasons the songs don't really cut it for me , most of em just sounds like wank , eg:

notable ones:
learning to live
metropolis
beyond this life
fatal tragedy

and the rest sounds really mediocre

another day
surrounded
dejavu
through my eyes/my words
etc..


although there are some i really like,
glass moon
finally free
home

there arent really huge monsters that blow my pants away like most albums do
voices
tot
tgp
8vm
tmols
tcot


so call me weird , yes i do find my self weird for not enjoying DT's most praised albums , but what i want to know is, does anyone else feel the same way?
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Aniland on August 18, 2011, 05:35:03 AM
Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Zydar on August 18, 2011, 05:35:24 AM
Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Blackfield on August 18, 2011, 05:39:59 AM
You're free to prefer the albums you want to. However, in my opinion I&W and SFAM are true Dream Theater creations all the way through. On all the other albums there are weak spots and not as likeable moments.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: sfam2112 on August 18, 2011, 05:41:17 AM
I wouldn't say I don't like them, but they're the least listened to in the catalogue for me, along with Octavarium.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2011, 05:42:21 AM
I havent even *listened* to WDADU....

But SFAM and Octavarium are amongst my top albums.

Too hard to pick a favourite.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Zantera on August 18, 2011, 05:42:37 AM
I honestly don't care much for I&W, but SFAM is a solid album.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 18, 2011, 05:52:02 AM
I've never liked SFAM.  I&W is much better.  But Another Day and Surrounded are terrible
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: tri.ad on August 18, 2011, 05:53:24 AM
Well, I love Images And Words, and don't think that SFAM is particularly great. So I can only agree on half of it, sorry.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Millais on August 18, 2011, 06:05:50 AM
for some reasons the songs don't really cut it for me , most of em just sounds like wank , eg:

notable ones:
learning to live
metropolis
beyond this life
fatal tragedy

lolwut

Yes, you are the only one.

pretty much that ^ though everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all that .....
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ddtonfire on August 18, 2011, 06:20:59 AM
lolwut and yes are the appropriate responses here
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: atmyne on August 18, 2011, 06:21:49 AM
probably not but you're in an epic minority
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: BRGM on August 18, 2011, 06:24:22 AM
I agree about I&W, second to worst album (WDADU being the worst)

Scenes though is quite great!
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2011, 06:25:01 AM
Yes, you are the only one.

Just gonna go with this.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: RuRoRul on August 18, 2011, 06:31:44 AM
I don't think they are miles ahead of the other albums, and I think if people accuse DT of "wankery" these albums are actually two of the worst offenders, but I love both albums. I enjoy every DT album but these two would probably be in the top half at least.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: AcidLameLTE on August 18, 2011, 06:38:02 AM
On this board...hopefully.

I mean, SFAM isn't AMAZING but I&W definitely is.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: obscure on August 18, 2011, 06:54:18 AM
Yes, you are the only one.

Just gonna go with this.

so am I
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: djentlemen on August 18, 2011, 06:55:09 AM
well at least i know that these two albums aren't really the most favoured among some, but imo the worst album is octavarium, it would be a step above WDADU if 8vm wasnt the only audible track in the whole album
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 18, 2011, 07:03:55 AM
Dude, are you sure you know what the definition of audible is?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2011, 07:06:17 AM
He must have the original leaked copy that begins with 50 minutes of silence.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: JediKnight1969 on August 18, 2011, 07:08:58 AM
Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Liberation on August 18, 2011, 07:14:13 AM
I&W - I like it but not as much as most people. SFAM... well, it's an absolute masterpiece for me.

You're probably a rare case but I don't mind, it's more interesting if people have more varied opinions (and I hate bandwagon mentality personally).
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Metabog on August 18, 2011, 07:20:47 AM
Hmm. I'm pretty sure what you call 'wank' a lot of us call "awesome". One of the main attractions of DT is that they solo a lot. If you don't want to listen to that, listen to something with less "wank"  :-X. I personally like SFAM more than Images and Words.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: axeman90210 on August 18, 2011, 07:34:11 AM
I certainly hope you are :P Scenes and I&W are two parts of Dream Theater's holy trinity of albums
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: djentlemen on August 18, 2011, 07:34:36 AM
Hmm. I'm pretty sure what you call 'wank' a lot of us call "awesome". One of the main attractions of DT is that they solo a lot. If you don't want to listen to that, listen to something with less "wank"  :-X. I personally like SFAM more than Images and Words.

well im sure the definition of wank varies form person to person. for me , its throwing in a bunch of random licks or riffs with no flow or pattern to it at all , the before mentioned songs are just a few examples

and im pretty sure the new album would sound the same by the preview of the snippets
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: wilgod3p on August 18, 2011, 07:35:32 AM
If you don't like them, listen to them until it happens because you are missing something great
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: alexofsweden on August 18, 2011, 07:37:07 AM
Dude, I feel a bit sorry for you,that you can't enjoy those albums  :-[
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 18, 2011, 07:38:53 AM
Strange Deja Vu... mediocre?

(https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/xg2099/gifery/feld.gif)


You know if you people keep having shitty opinions were gonna forbid you to have them.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Jirpo on August 18, 2011, 07:39:21 AM
They are both in my top 10 albums ever... I&W is #1 :p
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Zydar on August 18, 2011, 07:40:48 AM
I&W is in my Top 5 of all time. Learning To Live, Surrounded and Another Day is in my Top 5 DT songs ever.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: djentlemen on August 18, 2011, 07:45:34 AM
If you don't like them, listen to them until it happens because you are missing something great

don't fret, DT is ones of my favourite bands , apparently, it's just that i don't share the same taste as the majority of the DT fans , ill give you a little insight of djentlemen

fav albums ( took me a long time to rank, its kinda like choosing which of your children is your favourite )
1. awake
2.sdoit
3.sc
4.bc&sl
5. falling into infinity
6. I&W
7. ToT
8. sfam
9.wdadu
10. 8vm

whoops mixed up i&w and fii
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: wilgod3p on August 18, 2011, 07:48:43 AM
If you don't like them, listen to them until it happens because you are missing something great

don't fret, DT is ones of my favourite bands , apparently, it's just that i don't share the same taste as the majority of the DT fans , ill give you a little insight of djentlemen

fav albums ( took me a long time to rank, its kinda like choosing which of your children is your favourite )
1. awake
2.sdoit
3.sc
4.bc&sl
5. I&W
6. falling into infinity
7. ToT
8. sfam
9.wdadu
10. 8vm

yea they are not my favourite album neither
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Bone_Daddy on August 18, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 18, 2011, 08:25:30 AM
If you don't like them, listen to them until it happens because you are missing something great

don't fret, DT is ones of my favourite bands , apparently, it's just that i don't share the same taste as the majority of the DT fans , ill give you a little insight of djentlemen

fav albums ( took me a long time to rank, its kinda like choosing which of your children is your favourite )
1. awake
2.sdoit
3.sc
4.bc&sl
5. I&W
6. falling into infinity
7. ToT
8. sfam
9.wdadu
10. 8vm

You "don't like" I&W, but you've got it ranked 5th?  So you only like, at most, 4 DT albums?
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 18, 2011, 08:27:56 AM
(https://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/Zulan8r/Youneedhelp.jpg)
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
Learning to Live sounds like wank? :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: jsem on August 18, 2011, 08:30:06 AM
Learning to Live sounds like wank? :lol :lol :lol :lol
This. Seriously.


You say you were blown away by The Ministry of Lost Souls. And you complain about supposed wank in other songs. LOLWUT!?

Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: WildeSilas on August 18, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
Ministry of Lost Souls is so much the definition of wank, I start wanking every time I hear it just to try and distract myself from the horror of the wankery taking place. (Protip: it doesn't work because nothing can outwank TMoLS, so in the end you're better off just smashing your penis with a ball ping hammer in hopes of somehow escaping the mind numbing wankery that calls into question the very purpose of human existence in the galaxy).

Have I mentioned how much I hate tmols? Prefering it over even the silence BETWEEN the tracks on I&W or SFAM is just  :-\ to me...
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: jayvee3 on August 18, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
Images has some great parts, mainly the last 4 tracks, but pmu, ad, ttt and surrounded Im not as crazy about as some others. Scenes however, I love from start to finish, though I find it better to listen to as a complete album. So youre certainly not alone, though I would think the majority of fans would have at least one of those in thier top tier dt..
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ElliottTamer on August 18, 2011, 09:32:55 AM
Though Scenes is my favourite album and I also love I&W, I get that many people prefer other albums (from DT or other bands). But to not like them at all? I'm not sure how that's possible...
Btw, it's really weird how you like Finally Free, because that is my favourite track from the CD. So that makes me wonders if you just have higher standards than me.
On second thought, that was heresy, I'm going to go listen to Scenes 5 times as repentance.

P.S. I'm one of those few people who actually quite likes The Ministry of Lost Souls. Sure, there's room for improvement and it is somewhat inconsistent, but I like the consistent parts so much as to overlook its flaws.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Pols Voice on August 18, 2011, 09:37:05 AM
I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

And please stop saying wank. It's annoying.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 18, 2011, 09:47:13 AM
IaW is their 4th best IMO

SFAM is their 7th or 8th

So, sorta
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: IronEarthTheater on August 18, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
Are you the only one?  No.

Are you the only Dream Theater fan that doesn't like those two albums?  Yes (or pretty darn close to it)
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Pols Voice on August 18, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.

Well, to me it's when the band started repeating themselves. I don't think Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons would sound out of place on SC, or Prophets of War and The Ministry of Lost Souls on Octavarium. I'm not saying they're exactly the same or anything. It just seems weird that someone could think Octavarium is terrible but SC is one of DT's best albums. 
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 18, 2011, 09:59:29 AM
I&W is 6th for me.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Apricot on August 18, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
I hate to cause something here...but why is it when I made a thread a while back asking if anyone agrees that TDEN had awful lyrics, it was locked for calling it 'awful', yet this thread remains unlocked and he's called a few songs wank?
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2011, 10:14:06 AM
I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.

Well, to me it's when the band started repeating themselves. I don't think Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons would sound out of place on SC, or Prophets of War and The Ministry of Lost Souls on Octavarium. I'm not saying they're exactly the same or anything. It just seems weird that someone could think Octavarium is terrible but SC is one of DT's best albums.  

Some songs could fit alright, but I'd say at least half of each album sounds nothing like the other. They're definitely different enough overall for me to see no problem with liking one and disliking the other. Octavarium, TALW, IWBY, NE could definitely not be on SC, and I think Forsaken, TDEN, ITPOE could not possibly be on 8V. That's over half of each album right there (by time, not tracks obviously). For more of a metal fan, I can see someone loving SC but disliking Octavarium, and vice versa.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Nekov on August 18, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
(https://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/Zulan8r/Youneedhelp.jpg)

This. 2 out of the top 3 albums.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Pols Voice on August 18, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
Some songs could fit alright, but I'd say at least half of each album sounds nothing like the other. They're definitely different enough overall for me to see no problem with liking one and disliking the other. Octavarium, TALW, IWBY, NE could definitely not be on SC, and I think Forsaken, TDEN, ITPOE could not possibly be on 8V. That's over half of each album right there (by time, not tracks obviously). For more of a metal fan, I can see someone loving SC but disliking Octavarium, and vice versa.

They're my two least favorite DT albums. When I first heard SC, I liked it a little more than Octavarium, but I didn't hear as much change as I was used to or wanted between DT albums. They both have a very Muse style song, a bunch of lyrics that bug the hell out of me, etc. That's just my opinion and you obviously don't agree, so let's get back to the thread topic:

DJENTLEMEN, Y U NO LIKE I&W AND SFAM
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Infinite Cactus on August 18, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
It's not that crazy, Images is my second favorite, but SFAM is probably my least favorite or second least favorite.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: wolven74 on August 18, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
Um... Really?

This begs the question are you really a DT fan? I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that most of the songs you dislike, or don't listen to, are fucking DT classics.

So....

Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: unspoken on August 18, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
I bet that your first DT album was probably ToT or any of the albums released since... If you commenced listening to DT's more "heavy" or "metal" stuff  I guess that it will be long before you really enjoy SFAM and their previous albums.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: coffees for closers on August 18, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
You are demented.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: JediKnight1969 on August 18, 2011, 12:03:45 PM
You are demented.

And deserve to die. :tdwn
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 18, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Yes, you are the only one.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: tri.ad on August 18, 2011, 12:09:07 PM
You are demented.

And deserve to die. :tdwn

... What.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: VioletS16 on August 18, 2011, 12:13:10 PM
I don't really care that much for SFaM. I can think of a few songs that are really great (THE, Home, SDV (no, not Space Dye Vest), and some more I probably will think of later) but I really don't care for the rest, especially (especially!) BTL, althougb the LaB version was pretty good for some reason.

As for Images and Words, there isn't a single bad song on it. Surrounded doesn't get much love compared to the others but I think it's a mindblowing song on everyone's part, especially JLB and KM.

And yes, maybe I do have some odd tastes, like how I really love SC but hate BC&SL and Octavarium bores me to death besides Intervals and Razor's Edge, but I like being different.  :millahhhh
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 18, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
You are demented.

And deserve to die. :tdwn

haha what
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Liberation on August 18, 2011, 12:19:03 PM
I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: JediKnight1969 on August 18, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
You are demented.

And deserve to die. :tdwn

Too much?
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Ħ on August 18, 2011, 01:13:49 PM
I don't like IAW as much as I used to.  I think other albums are better.  But I've never hated SFAM.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 18, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
You are demented.

And deserve to die. :tdwn

Too much?

Yes, IMHO.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Marion Crane on August 18, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
I think it all depends on when/how you were first introduced to DT. My first experience was I&W and ACOS, which I still adore both. Didn't really care much for Awake, and FII was 50/50 to me. So when SFAM came out, it was a breath of fresh air. SFAM to this day is the best album I've ever heard. Period.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 18, 2011, 01:46:23 PM
I don't go bat crazy about AD, TTT, Metropolis and UAGM as others do, but it is 5th in my rankings. SFAM is great too, but BTL the instrumental sections seems to run for too long, although it has amazing vocals. TDOE and SDV really get the least plays, I don't know guess I'm not really into them as much as I was.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: jyoung320 on August 18, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
I smell a troll. *takes deep breath*. Yup definitely a troll. Coupled with the display picture,  :facepalm:
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: RuRoRul on August 18, 2011, 02:21:13 PM
I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)

Yep. Say you put a less appreciated song from I&W in your top 5, or you say Octavarium is overrated, everyone's like "That's awesome, I love seeing different opinions!" Say you don't think Learning To Live is amazing, and it's another story. People love to see people giving different opinions about DT than expected - just as long as you stay within a certain narrow range and don't go against anything actually popular.

But yeah to the OP, if you've got I&W as your #5 then I don't see what's so against the norm. Although there are loads of people who think I&W is one of their best (I'm one as well), there are plenty who don't but still like it. Same with SFAM (it's definitely not in my top 3 or anything, it's about equivalent with BC&SL).
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Demolition on August 18, 2011, 02:23:08 PM
I think it all depends on when/how you were first introduced to DT. My first experience was I&W and ACOS, which I still adore both. Didn't really care much for Awake, and FII was 50/50 to me. So when SFAM came out, it was a breath of fresh air. SFAM to this day is the best album I've ever heard. Period.

I started with the same 2 and still like ACOS but I never listen to I&W anymore. When SFAM came out DT started getting a little heavier which is more to my tastes.  I still listen to SFAM like it but it isn't in my top 3.  
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: teoevans on August 18, 2011, 02:36:06 PM
You need a good psychoanalyst Victoria! :hat
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Liberation on August 18, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)

Yep. Say you put a less appreciated song from I&W in your top 5, or you say Octavarium is overrated, everyone's like "That's awesome, I love seeing different opinions!" Say you don't think Learning To Live is amazing, and it's another story. People love to see people giving different opinions about DT than expected - just as long as you stay within a certain narrow range and don't go against anything actually popular.
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 18, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
That's like me Loving PoW. And not really loving TGP as much as most.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Marion Crane on August 18, 2011, 02:57:45 PM
Everyone's different. I personally don't care for 8VM too much. TROAE is great, these walls is good and Panic Attack is great, but the rest of the album is pretty boring to me. As far as the 20 min+ songs go , 8VM is waaaay at the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: pmahoney1337 on August 18, 2011, 04:24:51 PM
This thread makes me cringe. These two albums are DT's best imo.
Learning to Live sounds like wank? :lol :lol :lol :lol
This. Seriously.


You say you were blown away by The Ministry of Lost Souls. And you complain about supposed wank in other songs. LOLWUT!?


This too.

Also, what's wrong with Another Day and Surrounded? Someone earlier said they were "terrible" songs. How can you even say that? I understand you may not like them, but terrible...
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: wammabe on August 18, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think that in some cases, prejudice and close mindedness(I'm pretty sure everyone has both to some extent) affects some people's opinions in songs.

I once really disliked I&W, when I first heard Metropolis I thought to myself "WTF WAS UP WITH HIS VOICE?!" and I also found Another Day and Surrounded extremely cliché. After exploring more music outside of Images And Words, I listened to the album with a more open mind. I can now appreciate every single song.

I always liked SFAM.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 18, 2011, 07:12:05 PM
lolwut and yes are the appropriate responses here
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: snapple on August 18, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
Strange Deja Vu... mediocre?

(https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/xg2099/gifery/feld.gif)


You know if you people keep having shitty opinions were gonna forbid you to have them.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Nel on August 18, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
I like half of Images and Words. Pull Me Under, Metropolis, Wait For Sleep and Learning To Live; these songs helped me get into Dream Theater in the first place. The other four songs, though? Never got into them. I understand people love them, but they've always bored me.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: MajorMatt on August 18, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
Bitch be trolling?

But seriously OP what the fuck is wrong with your brain/ear combo  :huh:


 ;)


Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Ravenheart on August 20, 2011, 07:22:41 PM
You're a terrible person and I hate you. From now on, you sit down when you pee.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: champbassist on August 21, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Well, I love Images And Words, and don't think that SFAM is particularly great. So I can only agree on half of it, sorry.

You are my new bff ;D

@OP Just my very personal opinion, but I just don't connect as a listener to SFAM at all. Perhaps my least favorite DT album. (DTF guillotine, here I come)
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 21, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
I love I&W, though I prefer A, FII, and 6 over it.

I don't like Scenes at all, though, aside from Home, Dance of Eternity, and Fatal Tragedy. 
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Ħ on August 21, 2011, 10:15:03 PM
I think IAW is way overrated even though it's definitely in DT's top 5.  SFAM on the other hand, seems to be really underrated.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2011, 10:32:06 PM
  SFAM on the other hand, seems to be really underrated.

lolwut?  It is consistently ranked in their top 2 or 3.  How is that underrated?
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on August 22, 2011, 12:31:21 AM
I've never been a fan of Scenes From A Memory.   Production just doesn't win me over.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 22, 2011, 12:45:50 AM
I've come to a conclusion: I hate you all.







Joking aside, your DT album rankings are terrible. Therefore, I hate you all.




 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: SystematicThought on August 22, 2011, 12:51:22 AM
SFAM is probably number 5 in my album ranking
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: tjanuranus on August 22, 2011, 01:43:42 AM
Put it this way. I and W is the best album ever made EVER by ANYONE EVER.  :metal
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: 3xodus on August 22, 2011, 03:16:40 AM
These are the best 2 albums ever made. I hate your opinion.  >:(
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 22, 2011, 05:35:07 AM
Well, I love Images And Words, and don't think that SFAM is particularly great. So I can only agree on half of it, sorry.

This...
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: bss4life15 on August 22, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
Wow, butthurt fans everywhere.
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: aXygnus on August 22, 2011, 01:38:20 PM
Obviously you aren't. But I can't see why you put Systematic Chaos at #3, when the only songs I can listen to off that album are The Ministry of Lost Souls, Repentence and The Dark Eternal Night (and even then, the only one that has a frequent spin is TMoLS). Overall, I would rank them as such:

1.) Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2.) Scenes from a Memory
3.) Images & Words
4.) When Dream and Day Unite
5.) Black Clouds and Silver Linings
6.) Awake (although, to be honest, I never gave it all that many listens)
7.) Octavarium
LARGE GAP
8.) Train of Thought
9.) Falling Into Infinity (same as Awake)
10.) Systematic Chaos
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 22, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
I rank them like this:

1.) 6
2.) Awake
3.) Falling Into Infinity
4.) Images And Words
5.) 8thalbum
(Gap of sorts)
6.) When D&D Unite
7.) Chaotic Systems
8.) Thinking Train
9.) BC&SL
10.) Metro 2: Electric Boogaloo
Title: Re: am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?
Post by: Obfuscation on August 22, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
Yes, you are the only one.
I can't say anything else but this.