am i the only one who doesn't like SFAM and I&W?

[KevShmev]

Learning to Live sounds like wank?

[jsem]

Learning to Live sounds like wank?

This. Seriously.


You say you were blown away by The Ministry of Lost Souls. And you complain about supposed wank in other songs. LOLWUT!?

[WildeSilas]

Ministry of Lost Souls is so much the definition of wank, I start wanking every time I hear it just to try and distract myself from the horror of the wankery taking place. (Protip: it doesn't work because nothing can outwank TMoLS, so in the end you're better off just smashing your penis with a ball ping hammer in hopes of somehow escaping the mind numbing wankery that calls into question the very purpose of human existence in the galaxy).

Have I mentioned how much I hate tmols? Prefering it over even the silence BETWEEN the tracks on I&W or SFAM is just   to me...

[jayvee3]

Images has some great parts, mainly the last 4 tracks, but pmu, ad, ttt and surrounded Im not as crazy about as some others. Scenes however, I love from start to finish, though I find it better to listen to as a complete album. So youre certainly not alone, though I would think the majority of fans would have at least one of those in thier top tier dt..

[ElliottTamer]

Though Scenes is my favourite album and I also love I&W, I get that many people prefer other albums (from DT or other bands). But to not like them at all? I'm not sure how that's possible...
Btw, it's really weird how you like Finally Free, because that is my favourite track from the CD. So that makes me wonders if you just have higher standards than me.
On second thought, that was heresy, I'm going to go listen to Scenes 5 times as repentance.

P.S. I'm one of those few people who actually quite likes The Ministry of Lost Souls. Sure, there's room for improvement and it is somewhat inconsistent, but I like the consistent parts so much as to overlook its flaws.

[Pols Voice]

I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

And please stop saying wank. It's annoying.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.

[Jamesman42]

IaW is their 4th best IMO

SFAM is their 7th or 8th

So, sorta

[IronEarthTheater]

Are you the only one?  No.

Are you the only Dream Theater fan that doesn't like those two albums?  Yes (or pretty darn close to it)

[Pols Voice]

I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.

Well, to me it's when the band started repeating themselves. I don't think Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons would sound out of place on SC, or Prophets of War and The Ministry of Lost Souls on Octavarium. I'm not saying they're exactly the same or anything. It just seems weird that someone could think Octavarium is terrible but SC is one of DT's best albums. 

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I&W is 6th for me.

[Apricot]

I hate to cause something here...but why is it when I made a thread a while back asking if anyone agrees that TDEN had awful lyrics, it was locked for calling it 'awful', yet this thread remains unlocked and he's called a few songs wank?

[BlobVanDam]

I'm not going to laugh at you because I've got a few unorthodox opinions (I think the song Octavarium is pretty lame), but what I don't get is how you rank Systematic Chaos at 3, and Octavarium at 10. They don't seem different enough to be that far apart in the rankings.

They're very different albums. Systematic Chaos is a pretty heavy metal focused album, with more of the shred and instrumental stuff, plus the fantasy lyrics. Octavarium is a diverse album with not a lot of focus on heaviness, aside from a couple of tracks, different lyrical themes, and generally a lot more concise song structures. I actually don't see a lot of comparison, except for some of the heavier sections.

Well, to me it's when the band started repeating themselves. I don't think Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons would sound out of place on SC, or Prophets of War and The Ministry of Lost Souls on Octavarium. I'm not saying they're exactly the same or anything. It just seems weird that someone could think Octavarium is terrible but SC is one of DT's best albums.  

Some songs could fit alright, but I'd say at least half of each album sounds nothing like the other. They're definitely different enough overall for me to see no problem with liking one and disliking the other. Octavarium, TALW, IWBY, NE could definitely not be on SC, and I think Forsaken, TDEN, ITPOE could not possibly be on 8V. That's over half of each album right there (by time, not tracks obviously). For more of a metal fan, I can see someone loving SC but disliking Octavarium, and vice versa.

[Nekov]

This. 2 out of the top 3 albums.

[Pols Voice]

Some songs could fit alright, but I'd say at least half of each album sounds nothing like the other. They're definitely different enough overall for me to see no problem with liking one and disliking the other. Octavarium, TALW, IWBY, NE could definitely not be on SC, and I think Forsaken, TDEN, ITPOE could not possibly be on 8V. That's over half of each album right there (by time, not tracks obviously). For more of a metal fan, I can see someone loving SC but disliking Octavarium, and vice versa.

They're my two least favorite DT albums. When I first heard SC, I liked it a little more than Octavarium, but I didn't hear as much change as I was used to or wanted between DT albums. They both have a very Muse style song, a bunch of lyrics that bug the hell out of me, etc. That's just my opinion and you obviously don't agree, so let's get back to the thread topic:

DJENTLEMEN, Y U NO LIKE I&W AND SFAM

[Infinite Cactus]

It's not that crazy, Images is my second favorite, but SFAM is probably my least favorite or second least favorite.

[wolven74]

Um... Really?

This begs the question are you really a DT fan? I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that most of the songs you dislike, or don't listen to, are fucking DT classics.

So....

Yes, you are the only one.

[unspoken]

I bet that your first DT album was probably ToT or any of the albums released since... If you commenced listening to DT's more "heavy" or "metal" stuff  I guess that it will be long before you really enjoy SFAM and their previous albums.

[coffees for closers]

You are demented.

[JediKnight1969]

You are demented.

And deserve to die.

[ResultsMayVary]

Yes, you are the only one.

[tri.ad]

You are demented.

And deserve to die.

... What.

[VioletS16]

I don't really care that much for SFaM. I can think of a few songs that are really great (THE, Home, SDV (no, not Space Dye Vest), and some more I probably will think of later) but I really don't care for the rest, especially (especially!) BTL, althougb the LaB version was pretty good for some reason.

As for Images and Words, there isn't a single bad song on it. Surrounded doesn't get much love compared to the others but I think it's a mindblowing song on everyone's part, especially JLB and KM.

And yes, maybe I do have some odd tastes, like how I really love SC but hate BC&SL and Octavarium bores me to death besides Intervals and Razor's Edge, but I like being different. 

[Jamesman42]

You are demented.

And deserve to die.

haha what

[Liberation]

I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)

[JediKnight1969]

You are demented.

And deserve to die.

Too much?

[Ħ]

I don't like IAW as much as I used to.  I think other albums are better.  But I've never hated SFAM.

[ZirconBlue]

You are demented.

And deserve to die.

Too much?

Yes, IMHO.

[Marion Crane]

I think it all depends on when/how you were first introduced to DT. My first experience was I&W and ACOS, which I still adore both. Didn't really care much for Awake, and FII was 50/50 to me. So when SFAM came out, it was a breath of fresh air. SFAM to this day is the best album I've ever heard. Period.

[Ben_Jamin]

I don't go bat crazy about AD, TTT, Metropolis and UAGM as others do, but it is 5th in my rankings. SFAM is great too, but BTL the instrumental sections seems to run for too long, although it has amazing vocals. TDOE and SDV really get the least plays, I don't know guess I'm not really into them as much as I was.

[jyoung320]

I smell a troll. *takes deep breath*. Yup definitely a troll. Coupled with the display picture, 

[RuRoRul]

I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)

Yep. Say you put a less appreciated song from I&W in your top 5, or you say Octavarium is overrated, everyone's like "That's awesome, I love seeing different opinions!" Say you don't think Learning To Live is amazing, and it's another story. People love to see people giving different opinions about DT than expected - just as long as you stay within a certain narrow range and don't go against anything actually popular.

But yeah to the OP, if you've got I&W as your #5 then I don't see what's so against the norm. Although there are loads of people who think I&W is one of their best (I'm one as well), there are plenty who don't but still like it. Same with SFAM (it's definitely not in my top 3 or anything, it's about equivalent with BC&SL).

[Demolition]

I think it all depends on when/how you were first introduced to DT. My first experience was I&W and ACOS, which I still adore both. Didn't really care much for Awake, and FII was 50/50 to me. So when SFAM came out, it was a breath of fresh air. SFAM to this day is the best album I've ever heard. Period.

I started with the same 2 and still like ACOS but I never listen to I&W anymore. When SFAM came out DT started getting a little heavier which is more to my tastes.  I still listen to SFAM like it but it isn't in my top 3.  

[teoevans]

You need a good psychoanalyst Victoria!

[Liberation]

I find it rather funny that if someone has a strong opinion about something then "it just your opinion man" but if someone says something unpopular, there's something looking like a riot preparing that looks like trying to shout him to death. (And it doesn't seem playful or a joke even slightly)

Yep. Say you put a less appreciated song from I&W in your top 5, or you say Octavarium is overrated, everyone's like "That's awesome, I love seeing different opinions!" Say you don't think Learning To Live is amazing, and it's another story. People love to see people giving different opinions about DT than expected - just as long as you stay within a certain narrow range and don't go against anything actually popular.

My thoughts exactly.