If YOU were writing the set list for the next DT tour...

[Dream Team]

The trouble with being OK with it is that it leaves the door open for lazy bands to take too many liberties. If the great rock bands of the 60s and 70s didn't need backing tracks, what's the excuse now?

[KevShmev]

Technology wasn't then what it is now.  Don't kid yourself.  Most of those bands back then would have done the same thing had they had the capability.  And some of them did do it, the synth lead in The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again being the most obvious example.

[TAC]

  And some of them did do it, the synth lead in The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again being the most obvious example.

I can live with a prerecorded intro. That's really as far as I can go. I don't want any in song embellishment. I know Rush triggered some sounds from the stage, but I don't know.

No band should pipe in backing vocals, or lead vocals for that matter.

[KevShmev]

I can live with a prerecorded intro. That's really as far as I can go. I don't want any in song embellishment. I know Rush triggered some sounds from the stage, but I don't know.

No band should pipe in backing vocals, or lead vocals for that matter.

Okay, but the synth in Won't Get Fooled Again runs for pretty much the entire song, so it wasn't just an intro.  There was also Queen being able to always trigger the pre-recorded middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody (which would have been impossible to even attempt live).  The point being that even bands back then did it when they needed to, if the technology at the time allowed them.

Edit: I get that it always feel better if everything is done live, but there is nothing wrong with a little help sometimes.  That is all I am saying. 

[TAC]

Okay, but the synth in Won't Get Fooled Again runs for pretty much the entire song, so it wasn't just an intro.  There was also Queen being able to always trigger the pre-recorded middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody (which would have been impossible to even attempt live).  The point being that even bands back then did it when they needed to, if the technology at the time allowed them.

I've never heard the Who song live so..

I get the Queen thing too. Look if there's a stand alone section like in Bohemian Rhapsody, that's fine.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Nope, Freddie Mercury should have cloned himself and done all the parts himself live

[hefdaddy42]

TAC hates it except for the times when he doesn't.

Guys, it is part of live music for lots of acts now.  It was a part of live music for acts in the past as well.  It's just that current acts are more honest about it.

I would prefer to hear songs that don't require any live embellishment (backing track, background vocals).  But if the artist wants to use something like that to give the live presentation they want, then it's part of their act. 

As long as all of the musicians and singers on stage are actually playing their instruments or singing, with no faking/miming/lip synching happening, then that's OK with me.

[brakkum]

As long as all of the musicians and singers on stage are actually playing their instruments or singing, with no faking/miming/lip synching happening, then that's OK with me.

Yea, this is my take as well

[ZirconBlue]

Which is worse, prerecorded backing tracks, or a backstage keyboard player?

[Glasser]

Which is worse, prerecorded backing tracks, or a backstage keyboard player?

Well I have one for you! I went to see the band Marchello in the 80's and Gene Marchello's dad Peppi was singing a lot of his sons vocals backstage. I saw it and it was hilarious!

[brakkum]

Which is worse, prerecorded backing tracks, or a backstage keyboard player?

I HATE backstage keyboard players. Just put them on a riser in the back, quit being a dingus.

[mariner]

My quick guess would be:

- Reverse chronological order starting with one or two DT16 tracks.
- 2 or 3 MM era songs (might be something from DT12, DOT and/or A View but mostly shorter songs and most likely nothing from TA).
- Focus on the albums made by the current lineup. Maybe longer songs here but not the epics.
-  One from FII and even maybe a section from ACOS.
- 2 or 3 KM era tracks. Classics.
- One from WDADU
- Maybe something from the Majesty era but I think bringing back OAMOT with the ending of March of the Tyrant as Scotty mentioned earlier would work perfectly for this.
- DT16 epic?
- Big classic encore with something like Octavarium or Metropolis and something else like Finally Free?

I obviously haven't done the math with these predictions but I find or hard to do so without knowing the track count and lengths for the new album or at least one or two singles out. If the new album is something like Black Clouds where it's mostly long songs or a double album, that might change things a bit.

I mostly agree with this.  Given that, how about a set list like this:

DT single #1
DT single #2 (which may be all that is released by the start of the tour)
The Alien (how could they not... it won a GRAMMY)
Lost Not Forgotten
The Shattered Fortress
Constant Motion

Intermission

The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Home
Peruvian Skies
Space Dye Vest
Surrounded
Only a Matter of Time

Encore:  Octavarium

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Not the question asked but let's assume the next set list will play one song from each album....here is my set list/my guesses based on my preferences and what I think they're trying to do on this tour.

Status Seeker
Pull Me Under
6:00
Lines in the Sand
Spirit Carries on
Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
Octavarium
Constant Motion
Best of Times
On the Backs of Angels
Surrender to Reason
Fall Into the Light
Gift of Music
Awaken the Master

+ 2 singles from the new album

[Setlist Scotty]

Which is worse, prerecorded backing tracks, or a backstage keyboard player?

Both, but if pressed for one or the other, I'd rather go with the backstage player than pre-recorded stuff because at least it's still being performed live.

I HATE backstage keyboard players. Just put them on a riser in the back, quit being a dingus.

Amen! Glad DT never resorted to that even when Derek was just a "hired hand".

Guys, it is part of live music for lots of acts now.  It was a part of live music for acts in the past as well.  It's just that current acts are more honest about it.

I think that's debatable. Sure, something like the middle of Bohemian Rhapsody was obvious and no one was fooled, but I don't believe you had all the canned backing vocals that are prevalent these days. Unfortunately there were the off-stage, hidden-behind-the-curtain musicians like what Kiss did with Derek, but I think it's far worse today with everything being programmed today since so much more can be pulled off with computers than off stage musicians, with the audience often times being fooled into believing it's just the people on stage in front of them producing the music.

[hefdaddy42]

Which is worse, prerecorded backing tracks, or a backstage keyboard player?

Backstage keyboard players are worse.  That's just dumb.

[Setlist Scotty]

Backstage keyboard players are worse.  That's just dumb.

at least it's still being performed live.

[hefdaddy42]

Yes I know

[gborland]

Backstage keyboard players are worse.  That's just dumb.

Iron Maiden's gonna get you

[Mosh]

It makes sense for bands like Iron Maiden where the extent of the keyboard part is long held chords or doubling simple guitar parts. Better an offstage keyboardist than having to be locked to a click/backing track (in Maiden's case specifically).

[TAC]

It makes sense for bands like Iron Maiden where the extent of the keyboard part is long held chords or doubling simple guitar parts. Better an offstage keyboardist than having to be locked to a click/backing track (in Maiden's case specifically).

I do agree but...Sometimes I ask if it's really needed. I hate hearing something and not seeing it, and I feel like they overdo it at times.

[Setlist Scotty]

I do agree but...Sometimes I ask if it's really needed. I hate hearing something and not seeing it, and I feel like they overdo it at times.

Yeah, in their case one of the guitarists could play the keyboard part on guitar since there's 3 of them and/or they could have Taurus pedals and do it that way.

[Mosh]

Yeah, in their case one of the guitarists could play the keyboard part on guitar since there's 3 of them and/or they could have Taurus pedals and do it that way.

I mean, they pretty much do that already. I can't think of a single keyboard part that isn't already covered by a guitar. It's just there to fill out the sound, which is arguably unnecessary.

The only distracting live keys from Maiden I can think of are also from the only song I can think of where they've added synths that weren't there in the original recording: Powerslave.

[KevShmev]

TAC hates it except for the times when he doesn't.

Guys, it is part of live music for lots of acts now.  It was a part of live music for acts in the past as well.  It's just that current acts are more honest about it.

I would prefer to hear songs that don't require any live embellishment (backing track, background vocals).  But if the artist wants to use something like that to give the live presentation they want, then it's part of their act. 

As long as all of the musicians and singers on stage are actually playing their instruments or singing, with no faking/miming/lip synching happening, then that's OK with me.

Yep.  I didn't know it until recently, but Alan Fitzgerald, who was Night Ranger's keyboard player during their prime, was Van Halen's off stage keyboard player in the 90s (for songs like Jump, Dreams, Right Now, etc.). 

[Stadler]

Well I have one for you! I went to see the band Marchello in the 80's and Gene Marchello's dad Peppi was singing a lot of his sons vocals backstage. I saw it and it was hilarious!

I've seen bands that were augmented - ZZ Top - but they were still playing their parts just with sequencers behind them.  I'm pretty sure Robert Plant did that on the Manic Nirvana tour.  But I will tell you: if you told me that Peter Criss had someone playing drums backstage during the Kiss/Aerosmith tour in 2004, I would absolutely believe you.

I never understood the "backstage keyboard player".  Kiss, Sabbath, Van Halen, Iron Maiden all used them.  Cheap Trick, too, I believe.  I saw "The End" tour and at the end Adam Wakeman poked his head out from the curtain to the left (from my view) of Geezer.

[Schurftkut]

spike edney got to play guitar with queen on stage at their final show

[TAC]

spike edney got to play guitar with queen on stage at their final show

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[gontorres29]

Long time lurker, first post!


I made this playlist and, having listened to it multiple times, I think it'd be a neat setlist:

The Root Of All Evil
Misunderstood
Constant Motion
Scarred
Only a Matter of Time
Endless Sacrifice
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Home
The Dance of Eternity
Breaking All Illusions
The Best of Times
The Glass Prison
Pull Me Under
Octavarium



Cheers!

[MirrorMask]

This won't happen AT ALL, but I wish they didn't play any of the IAW and SFAM songs for a while and focus on the rest of the catalog that has been neglected lately. But, given the circumstances surrounding this tour, that's not happening.

At my last show I didn't get any songs off those two albums.

[Dream Team]

So since this is a fun exercise and we have new information, I'll take another stab. My setlist will mostly have songs not featured on any recent tours or live releases. The assumptions are: only 1 single from DT16 since it's unlikely to be out by fall; 3 Mangini songs, and keeping in mind James' quote about a "power pack" set and MP's allusion to a "greatest hits" type set. Only 3 albums would be left out.

Metropolis
Panic Attack
DT16 single (after James intro)
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man (FSFNY version)
Surrender to Reason
Home
Breaking all Illusions
_________________

Constant Motion
The Great Debate (or Blind Faith or Misunderstood)
A Fortune in Lies or YtseJam
Peruvian Skies or Hollow Years (Budokan version)
S2N
The Spirit Carries On
Learning to Live
___________________

Octavarium (encore)

[Schurftkut]

a setlist without the glass prison is incorrect by default.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Long time lurker, first post!


I made this playlist and, having listened to it multiple times, I think it'd be a neat setlist:

The Root Of All Evil
Misunderstood
Constant Motion
Scarred
Only a Matter of Time
Endless Sacrifice
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Home
The Dance of Eternity
Breaking All Illusions
The Best of Times
The Glass Prison
Pull Me Under
Octavarium



Cheers!

Welcome to the forums!!

[evilasiojr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfONol-hDZI&ab_channel=GustavoMaiato

Short interview with MP, but a bunch of interesting info imo. Some of my highlights:

- He feels like the album is a continuation to where they were in Black Clouds, with a classic sound characteristic of the 1999-2009 era, this current line up
- He feels the new album also has a renovating sound like Mt Part II and I&W, due to line up changes
- He said they are not talking about Mt Part III openly (which personally makes me feel they are maybe attempting that this time around or some time in the future...)
- ToT is the album MP chose as a personal favorite
- He is open to playing The Best of Times live (and literally said the word soon, so...)
- They are not playing You Not Me 

[Dream Team]

Black Clouds? Oh boy . . .

Not what I wanted to hear, but what I expected. SFAM/SDOIT would have been a much more welcome style from the current line-up.

Cool he is thinking about playing TBOT.

They are NOT doing Met Pt 3 and I have no idea why it keeps getting brought up.

[Mosh]

They are NOT doing Met Pt 3 and I have no idea why it keeps getting brought up

Well, MP didn't say that. So I'm not sure how you have more inside information than anyone else. MP not flat out denying it is a pretty strong indication that it's at least on the table as a possibility.

[Ben_Jamin]

So, if they do a Met pt.3, I bet there would be fans just drooling at it just because it's a Met pt. 3 even though it likely won't hold up to Scenes.

But then again...There must be the third and last dance.