Sherinian poking fun at Jordan?

[Mebert78]

Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also seemingly poking fun at Jordan.  Not sure what kind of relationship they have have, so it might just be in good fun.  But it kinda made me cringe.

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Wow, what an unnecessary and douchey comment. 

[gzarruk]

He's been doing A LOT of that recently. Just check the SOA thread, there's lots of pots/pages on these comments and more.

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

Btw, I don't really get all the hype on the LITS key intro. The solo on Trial of Tears is miles better, imo.

[TAC]

Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also poking fun at Jordan.  Not sure what kind of relationship Jordan and Derek have, so it might just be all in good fun.  But it kinda made me cringe.

I really hope that's the case.

Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.

[gzarruk]

Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also poking fun at Jordan.  Not sure what kind of relationship Jordan and Derek have, so it might just be all in good fun.  But it kinda made me cringe.

I really hope that's the case.

Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.

Indeed.

[Zook]

"You know Derek, I actually wanted you to stay in the band. It was the other guys who wanted you out."

[PetFish]

Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.

Yep, 100% gone now, I am so baffled as to why these adults are acting like such children.

[WDADU]

"You know Derek, I actually wanted you to stay in to band. It was the other guys who wanted you out."

Jesus Christ. I could totally see him saying something like that.

EDIT: That formatted wrong...

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Spending too much time with MP, maybe?

[The Walrus]

Derek's only ensuring that I won't financially support his work anymore, not just Sons of Apollo.

You played on one DT album 20 years ago, we get it, Lines In The Sand has your signature lead sound. But that doesn't even come close to my top 20 DT songs. Anything else you can be proud of since the 90s? I can think of half a dozen keyboardists off the top of my head who can write (and play) circles around this self-proclaimed "king of keys."

What a douche.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Derek's only ensuring that I won't financially support his work anymore, not just Sons of Apollo.

You played on one DT album 20 years ago, we get it, Lines In The Sand has your signature lead sound. But that doesn't even come close to my top 20 DT songs. Anything else you can be proud of since the 90s? I can think of half a dozen keyboardists off the top of my head who can write (and play) circles around this self-proclaimed "king of keys."

What a douche.

Not only did he play on one album, he played on what is IMO their worst album. If it wasn't for ACoS, his run in the band would have been even more uneventful.

[KevShmev]

Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.

Yep.  He has generally always been seen as the keyboardist who didn't get a long enough run to prove his real worth, while being wedged in between the band's two classic players (Moore and Rudess), yet handled his ouster with class and grace, and he has basically nuked that narrative in the last few months.

[Sycsa]

Sometimes I wonder, as many rock musicians have been basically living the same life since their teens, are they still mentally stuck in that age? Derek's tweets seem to confirm that theory.

[Madman Shepherd]

I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek.  I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new.  That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did.  It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.

[TAC]

I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new.  That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did.  It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.

I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.

[Madman Shepherd]

I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new.  That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did.  It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.

I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.

Perhaps you're right.  But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him.  I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app.  I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere." 

Again, personal preference.  I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound.  I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology. 

[TAC]

   I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound. I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology.

Oh, I don't disagree at all. This is why I liked The Astonishing so much. I've been pleading for more piano.

[Cable]

I prefer just piano as a whole too. However, I would bet the farm that JP has used a different effect brand or sound on every album.

[Evai]

The equivalent for JP would be him busting out sitars, electronic midi guitars, and the miku pedal on various songs though

[Herrick]

I honestly thought those were all keyboard sounds.

[Ben_Jamin]

I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new.  That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did.  It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.

I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.

Perhaps you're right.  But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him.  I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app.  I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere." 

Again, personal preference.  I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound.  I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology.

Be-bot solo...

[Grizz]

The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?

Jesus Christ.

[Mindflux]

The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?

Jesus Christ.

He's said worse on twitter about JLB.

[Chris Hinton]

Perhaps you're right.  But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him.  I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app.  I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere." 

Yeah, Jordan and that idiot Les Paul...  He should have stuck with traditional guitar sounds and not strung up that 4x4.  What was he thinkin'?

I don't think it hurts at all having his latest app up there.  It's just another noisemaker in the end, not much different that the first moogs.  It's always been that way with music -- all the way back probably to the revolutionary who started blowing through a hollow stick.  Some of it works, some of it doesn't.

[bosk1]

The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?

Jesus Christ.

  Who is taking it personally?  I don't see anything close to someone taking it personally.  I think you are reading too much into this thread.

[The Walrus]

Being annoyed by dumb jokes/jabs =/= taking it personally.

[mikeyd23]

Being annoyed by dumb jokes/jabs =/= taking it personally.

BINGO. That's been me through all this DS stuff SoA related and now this. I'm not taking it personally, but I think it's annoying and childish and it's definitely affecting my excitement for his upcoming work.

[Samsara]

Derek certainly has...a pointed sense of humor. What I'd find interesting is if someone shot back at him a few jabs "all in good fun." 

Then we'd really see whether he meant it or not, depending on his response.

Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for. Jordan, however, while my least favorite of DT's three keyboardists, is, IMO, the best musician of the three, and most innovative (whether you like all the tech nor not).

re: CheeseWiz - 

[Drinktheater]

Derek certainly has...a pointed sense of humor. What I'd find interesting is if someone shot back at him a few jabs "all in good fun." 

Then we'd really see whether he meant it or not, depending on his response.

Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for. Jordan, however, while my least favorite of DT's three keyboardists, is, IMO, the best musician of the three, and most innovative (whether you like all the tech nor not).

re: CheeseWiz - 

I kinda agree Jordan is definitely very well Musically educated but sometimes his implementation of the style with Dream theater sounds to elaborate but that is just my opinion. But I will say he is my favorite Keyboardist of all the three, I just don't like it when he improvises over Kevin Moore Solos.

Some times less is more.

But hey that is just my opinion.

[noxon]

Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for.

Except most of the songs on his solo work and planet x is written by virgil donati and brian tichy...

[TheAtliator]

As far as this and the stuff he's been posting on twitter....

Take shots at DT all you want, it doesn't bother me. But make a band called "Sons of Apollo" and an album called "Psychotic Symphony" with the guy who sang for Yngwie Malmsteen and complain about CHEESE?? ??

Give me a break... 

[Madman Shepherd]

I don't think it hurts at all having his latest app up there.  It's just another noisemaker in the end, not much different that the first moogs.  It's always been that way with music -- all the way back probably to the revolutionary who started blowing through a hollow stick.  Some of it works, some of it doesn't.

That was actually my point.  Only difference is there is a new app every day that Jordan is playing with.  Some of these apps are a far cry from a moog. 

[nattmorker]

As far as this and the stuff he's been posting on twitter....

Take shots at DT all you want, it doesn't bother me. But make a band called "Sons of Apollo" and an album called "Psychotic Symphony" with the guy who sang for Yngwie Malmsteen and complain about CHEESE?? ??

Give me a break... 

[Phoenix87x]

Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.

[Evai]

Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.

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