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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Mebert78 on September 23, 2017, 08:20:17 PM
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Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also seemingly poking fun at Jordan. Not sure what kind of relationship they have have, so it might just be in good fun. But it kinda made me cringe.
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(intro and up to the verse)
Wow, what an unnecessary and douchey comment. :\
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He's been doing A LOT of that recently. Just check the SOA thread, there's lots of pots/pages on these comments and more.
As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
Btw, I don't really get all the hype on the LITS key intro. The solo on Trial of Tears is miles better, imo.
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Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also poking fun at Jordan. Not sure what kind of relationship Jordan and Derek have, so it might just be all in good fun. But it kinda made me cringe.
I really hope that's the case.
Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.
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Well, today marks the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity, and it seems Derek took to social media to praise his work on "Lines in the Sand" while also poking fun at Jordan. Not sure what kind of relationship Jordan and Derek have, so it might just be all in good fun. But it kinda made me cringe.
I really hope that's the case.
Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.
Indeed.
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"You know Derek, I actually wanted you to stay in the band. It was the other guys who wanted you out."
(https://i.imgur.com/cKmFJWf.gif)
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Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.
Yep, 100% gone now, I am so baffled as to why these adults are acting like such children.
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"You know Derek, I actually wanted you to stay in to band. It was the other guys who wanted you out."
Jesus Christ. I could totally see him saying something like that.
EDIT: That formatted wrong...
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Spending too much time with MP, maybe?
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Derek's only ensuring that I won't financially support his work anymore, not just Sons of Apollo.
You played on one DT album 20 years ago, we get it, Lines In The Sand has your signature lead sound. But that doesn't even come close to my top 20 DT songs. Anything else you can be proud of since the 90s? I can think of half a dozen keyboardists off the top of my head who can write (and play) circles around this self-proclaimed "king of keys."
What a douche.
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Derek's only ensuring that I won't financially support his work anymore, not just Sons of Apollo.
You played on one DT album 20 years ago, we get it, Lines In The Sand has your signature lead sound. But that doesn't even come close to my top 20 DT songs. Anything else you can be proud of since the 90s? I can think of half a dozen keyboardists off the top of my head who can write (and play) circles around this self-proclaimed "king of keys."
What a douche.
Not only did he play on one album, he played on what is IMO their worst album. If it wasn't for ACoS, his run in the band would have been even more uneventful.
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Derek has been totally (and rightfully) praised for his class since DT let him go. But these posts in the run up to SOA is eroding all of that away.
Yep. He has generally always been seen as the keyboardist who didn't get a long enough run to prove his real worth, while being wedged in between the band's two classic players (Moore and Rudess), yet handled his ouster with class and grace, and he has basically nuked that narrative in the last few months.
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Sometimes I wonder, as many rock musicians have been basically living the same life since their teens, are they still mentally stuck in that age? Derek's tweets seem to confirm that theory.
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I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new. That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did. It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.
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I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new. That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did. It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.
I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.
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I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new. That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did. It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.
I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.
Perhaps you're right. But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him. I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app. I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere."
Again, personal preference. I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound. I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology.
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I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound. I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology.
Oh, I don't disagree at all. This is why I liked The Astonishing so much. I've been pleading for more piano.
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I prefer just piano as a whole too. However, I would bet the farm that JP has used a different effect brand or sound on every album.
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The equivalent for JP would be him busting out sitars, electronic midi guitars, and the miku pedal on various songs though :)
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I honestly thought those were all keyboard sounds.
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I mentioned this in the other thread but in a way I agree with Derek. I think Jordan has relied too much on ipads or whatever the latest app was simply because it was new. That said, Derek is completely classless for saying this the way he did. It has killed most of the excitement I had for his new project with Mike.
I wouldn't call it "relied on". I just think that it is just Jordan's thing. It's who he is and what he does.
Perhaps you're right. But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him. I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app. I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere."
Again, personal preference. I still think he is an excellent keyboard player and integral to the Dream Theater sound. I just wish he would scale it back a bit in regards to new technology.
Be-bot solo...
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The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?
Jesus Christ.
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The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?
Jesus Christ.
He's said worse on twitter about JLB.
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Perhaps you're right. But I do think he relies on new technology in order to try to keep his position in the band exciting at least to him. I would rather he stick to more traditional keyboard sounds so that when he does find an app or patch or whatever that is new and unique it will be that much more cool rather than just saying, "Hey, I've just got this new app. I'm going to fit it in to some song somewhere."
Yeah, Jordan and that idiot Les Paul... He should have stuck with traditional guitar sounds and not strung up that 4x4. What was he thinkin'?
I don't think it hurts at all having his latest app up there. It's just another noisemaker in the end, not much different that the first moogs. It's always been that way with music -- all the way back probably to the revolutionary who started blowing through a hollow stick. Some of it works, some of it doesn't.
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The guy calls Jordan's apps "CheeseWiz" and you guys take it personally?
Jesus Christ.
??? Who is taking it personally? I don't see anything close to someone taking it personally. I think you are reading too much into this thread.
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Being annoyed by dumb jokes/jabs =/= taking it personally.
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Being annoyed by dumb jokes/jabs =/= taking it personally.
BINGO. That's been me through all this DS stuff SoA related and now this. I'm not taking it personally, but I think it's annoying and childish and it's definitely affecting my excitement for his upcoming work.
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Derek certainly has...a pointed sense of humor. What I'd find interesting is if someone shot back at him a few jabs "all in good fun." :lol
Then we'd really see whether he meant it or not, depending on his response.
Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for. Jordan, however, while my least favorite of DT's three keyboardists, is, IMO, the best musician of the three, and most innovative (whether you like all the tech nor not).
re: CheeseWiz - :rollin
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Derek certainly has...a pointed sense of humor. What I'd find interesting is if someone shot back at him a few jabs "all in good fun." :lol
Then we'd really see whether he meant it or not, depending on his response.
Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for. Jordan, however, while my least favorite of DT's three keyboardists, is, IMO, the best musician of the three, and most innovative (whether you like all the tech nor not).
re: CheeseWiz - :rollin
I kinda agree Jordan is definitely very well Musically educated but sometimes his implementation of the style with Dream theater sounds to elaborate but that is just my opinion. But I will say he is my favorite Keyboardist of all the three, I just don't like it when he improvises over Kevin Moore Solos.
Some times less is more.
But hey that is just my opinion.
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Derek is a better songwriter and player than he is given credit for.
Except most of the songs on his solo work and planet x is written by virgil donati and brian tichy...
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As far as this and the stuff he's been posting on twitter....
Take shots at DT all you want, it doesn't bother me. But make a band called "Sons of Apollo" and an album called "Psychotic Symphony" with the guy who sang for Yngwie Malmsteen and complain about CHEESE?? ??
Give me a break... :lol
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I don't think it hurts at all having his latest app up there. It's just another noisemaker in the end, not much different that the first moogs. It's always been that way with music -- all the way back probably to the revolutionary who started blowing through a hollow stick. Some of it works, some of it doesn't.
That was actually my point. Only difference is there is a new app every day that Jordan is playing with. Some of these apps are a far cry from a moog.
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As far as this and the stuff he's been posting on twitter....
Take shots at DT all you want, it doesn't bother me. But make a band called "Sons of Apollo" and an album called "Psychotic Symphony" with the guy who sang for Yngwie Malmsteen and complain about CHEESE?? ??
Give me a break... :lol
:lol :lol :lol
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Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.
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Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.
Never underestimate your heroes ability to disappoint you :metal
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Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.
Never underestimate your heroes ability to disappoint you :metal
Nah, that's not JR.
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Meanwhile, JR is a class act and would never pull any crap like that.
Never underestimate your heroes ability to disappoint you :metal
Nah, that's not JR.
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I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!
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I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!
Who's quote is this?
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Jordan’s quote on my review of black clouds
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Jordan’s quote on my review of black clouds
:o :rollin ::)
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Jordan’s quote on my review of black clouds
Would love to read that review :biggrin:
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I remember the whole thing back when it went down, I believe. Or maybe a year or so later. You two sorted things out in the meantime, didn't you, Noxon?
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I dunno. Seems like all in good fun to me.
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Jordan’s quote on my review of black clouds
Would love to read that review :biggrin:
Me too!
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I would imagine it's this review.
https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2009/04/26/dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings-ii/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2009/04/26/dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings-ii/)
I don't agree with everything, but I don't think it was that bad. I saw people ''over processing the shit out'' of the band's music more intensely than anything in this review :lol
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My reason for bringing in the quote was just to counterpoint the "not JR" posts though. Yeah, we squared up after that. It's all good now. But it for sure wasn't fun when it happened.
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MP once told me to enjoy my piss break. Just sayin'
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MP once told me to enjoy my piss break. Just sayin'
Well....I mean, wouldn't you want to enjoy it? Seems like a very polite thing to say.
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I did enjoy it. Did the piss break happen during Repentance? Maybe.
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I did enjoy it. Did the piss break happen during Repentance? Maybe.
Well that's good. I definitely wouldn't have gone then (seeing as it's my favorite part of the suite), so we could have alternated spots.
Team work! You piss during Repentance, I take a 14 or whatever minute dump during Shattered Fortress.
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14 minute dump?! Gives "Shattered Fortress" a new meaning.
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
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I usually don't get involved in reviewers and their wisdom but the Norweigan review is so snobby that I was grossed out by the attitude. I think that reviewer needs to stop listening to Dream Theater- he obviously is over processing the shit out of it!
I would imagine it's this review.
https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2009/04/26/dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings-ii/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2009/04/26/dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings-ii/)
I don't agree with everything, but I don't think it was that bad. I saw people ''over processing the shit out'' of the band's music more intensely than anything in this review :lol
What the hell though? 4 out of 5? That long apologetic intro, then a 95% (extremely) positive review? How was this controversial? Is JR that thin-skinned that this bothered him? I find that really surprising. Do they expect no criticism and nothing but overly enthusiastic praise (much of this review seemed like that anyway) on a quid pro quo basis? He even called Jordan's unbearable ARoP solo QUOTE AWESOME UNQOUTE. :lol I rest my case. What am I missing here?
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Not sure what would make anyone think Derek is doing this in good fun. He's an asshole and he has shown that an awful lot lately. If this crap doesn't change real soon I might reconsider supporting SoA.
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
#nofakery? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I think it sounds quite cool :) But it seems he's become a grumpy old man
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
#nofakery? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I don't get it either. I don't know much about Ruddess' gadgets and stuff but it seems like he just uses them to get different sounds. It's not like he's an unskilled musician who can't play a "real" electronic instrument ???
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
I thought the tone was okay, but what he actually played was boring and uninteresting.
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
#nofakery? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I don't get it either. I don't know much about Ruddess' gadgets and stuff but it seems like he just uses them to get different sounds. It's not like he's an unskilled musician who can't play a "real" electronic instrument ???
It's bizarre. JR is the last person in the world who can be accused of "fakery" or using effects as a crutch to hide his lack of skill.
And this is entering the realm of personal taste of course, but I think his compositional and songwriting ability is miles ahead of DS. Even purely his soloing style - which he is sometimes criticised for - his miles better than DS, and there's nothing "fake" about these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyWQblwGnkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do7d7DNxMIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1USh-arMBwE
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
I thought the tone was okay, but what he actually played was boring and uninteresting.
Are you saying that playing a bunch of scales over and over is boring.
Well, you're right.
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It doesn't matter how many times Derek teases JR with the #noiPads #NoCheeseWiz #KingOfKeys things, he still lost the big DT gig to him lol.
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It doesn't matter how many times Derek teases JR with the #noiPads #NoCheeseWiz #KingOfKeys things, he still lost the big DT gig to him lol.
Exactly. While Derek’s busy tweeting about being the king of keys, Jordan’s busy actually BEING the king of keys in, probably, the biggest band of the genere :biggrin:
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Ya'll see this?
https://twitter.com/DerekSherinian/status/913910421219770369
As a keyboardist myself I think that tone stinks, at least from that quality of video, what I can hear. Don't play synth leads in the low register, please :(
Sounds exactly like a JR patch to me.
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
I'll second that. I think the last OSI and the first two Chroma Key are among the best releases of any DT related project. All Kevin Moore releases are worth a listen but especially those three.
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OSI is nothing but noise to me. Noting about it I like.
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
I'll second that. I think the last OSI and the first two Chroma Key are among the best releases of any DT related project. All Kevin Moore releases are worth a listen but especially those three.
Agreed. No contest. It's just a shame that KevMo doesn't even seem to be that interested in making music. It's almost a crime that he's the most musically talented of anyone in the DT camp, and so disinterested in actually making music. I like the first two CK albums and all the OSI stuff better than I like half of DT's material. And DT's mid tier stuff is still some of the best music ever written.
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
I'll second that. I think the last OSI and the first two Chroma Key are among the best releases of any DT related project. All Kevin Moore releases are worth a listen but especially those three.
Agreed. No contest. It's just a shame that KevMo doesn't even seem to be that interested in making music. It's almost a crime that he's the most musically talented of anyone in the DT camp, and so disinterested in actually making music. I like the first two CK albums and all the OSI stuff better than I like half of DT's material. And DT's mid tier stuff is still some of the best music ever written.
I don't think I agree with the bolded part. Petrucci, Rudess and Mangini are, imo, much more musically talented than Moore.
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Maybe not the most musically gifted out of all band members, but he definitely had the best sense of atmosphere and how the instrumentation lends to mood and feel of the track. Out of all DT members, he would probably write the best film score
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
I'll second that. I think the last OSI and the first two Chroma Key are among the best releases of any DT related project. All Kevin Moore releases are worth a listen but especially those three.
Agreed. No contest. It's just a shame that KevMo doesn't even seem to be that interested in making music. It's almost a crime that he's the most musically talented of anyone in the DT camp, and so disinterested in actually making music. I like the first two CK albums and all the OSI stuff better than I like half of DT's material. And DT's mid tier stuff is still some of the best music ever written.
I don't think I agree with the bolded part. Petrucci, Rudess and Mangini are, imo, much more musically talented than Moore.
+1 about not agreeing with the bolded part. Who's more talented than who - I suppose that's down to our preferences.
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Maybe not the most musically gifted out of all band members, but he definitely had the best sense of atmosphere and how the instrumentation lends to mood and feel of the track. Out of all DT members, he would probably write the best film score
With that, I can definitely agree! Kev should produce the next DT album :biggrin:
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Just to clarify what I meant. I didn't mean the most *technically* gifted. That would definitely be Rudess, Mangini, Petrucci.
I meant that he is the perfect mix of musically talented, and melodic "sixth sense"....(just because I'm not sure how else to put it).
And even by saying that, I'm not saying that the other three LACK melody (as some have implied....but I don't agree). I only mean that KevMo is *more balanced* than those other three. He is a better embodiment of "the best of both worlds.
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Out of all DT members, he would probably write the best film score
And to my knowledge, is the only one who actually HAS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okul_(film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Apocalypse_(2006_film)
And he's doing a patreon for his demos ; pretty interesting stuff so far. https://www.patreon.com/chromakey
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Im not sure if Derek was funnin' around or not. I don't know him or his sense of humor. But I do find that Jordan's cheese just isn't my chedder like Derek's is. Hopefully he was just pokin a bit.
Either way it's impossible to deny that Jordan is such a "composer" and an insane talent. Derek clearly fancies himself a rock and roller.
I'd still rather have Moore in the whole time than either. I miss that guy's vibe so much in that band.
I know I keep harpin on this, but you really do need to check out OSI (I'd start with Blood); his vocals and the whole atmosphere of everything just works so well.
As a huge Moore fan myself, I can honestly say that his 4 OSI albums (and the Chroma Key stuff as well) is simply amazing. If you are a fan of Awake-era DT and haven't checked out those releases, I highly recommend it.
I'll second that. I think the last OSI and the first two Chroma Key are among the best releases of any DT related project. All Kevin Moore releases are worth a listen but especially those three.
Agreed. No contest. It's just a shame that KevMo doesn't even seem to be that interested in making music. It's almost a crime that he's the most musically talented of anyone in the DT camp, and so disinterested in actually making music. I like the first two CK albums and all the OSI stuff better than I like half of DT's material. And DT's mid tier stuff is still some of the best music ever written.
Well, actually, jammin, with all due respect, yes, there is a contest, because it all amounts to personal preferences. And I also prefer KM over JR and DS in DT. For me, nevertheless, JLB has released the best material of any DT related side-projects.
B.Lee
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Just to clarify what I meant. I didn't mean the most *technically* gifted. That would definitely be Rudess, Mangini, Petrucci.
I meant that he is the perfect mix of musically talented, and melodic "sixth sense"....(just because I'm not sure how else to put it).
And even by saying that, I'm not saying that the other three LACK melody (as some have implied....but I don't agree). I only mean that KevMo is *more balanced* than those other three. He is a better embodiment of "the best of both worlds.
This.
I got what you meant and I very much agree.
And yes, the fact that he isn't more prolific has always seemed like such a shame to me. But you know what? The dude just wants to live his life, a life that by all accounts has been quite a trip. I feel like his music has an 'old soul' feel that would be lost if he had been more a traditional musician.
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It should also be mentioned that for those who don't know, KevMo has been a key part of the atmospherics on some of my favorite Fates albums. He adds so much to APSOG and Disconnected.
I suppose I should add (bc this was originally about DS) that I see no reason, in any walk of life, to disparage or poke fun at another person professionally. It's just bad business in my opinion.
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It should also be mentioned that for those who don't know, KevMo has been a key part of the atmospherics on some of my favorite Fates albums. He adds so much to APSOG and Disconnected.
I forgot about that. Great albums!
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KevMo is just plain awesome, flat out. He rules. You Go Now is in my all-time favorite albums. I tend to listen to it at the very least once a week for various reasons (shower tunes, at the gym, doing household chores, at work etc.). It's so chill and musically satisfying.
Re: Sherinian, I think I'm about to pull the plug on buying anything of his again. I can think of a lot nicer musicians I can give my hard earned money to. The same goes for Mike. These guys are world famous and have accolades and awards... why do they feel the need to be dicks?
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
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It reminds me of high school jock behavior...say all sorts of demeaning/nasty things to someone, then call them too sensitive and say you were just joking when they get upset about it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
(this applies both here and with how he's handling himself around SoA)
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Kinda immature if he is really trying to get Jordan upset.
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It was a big surprise for me how DS has been behaving online lately. I always had a different impression of him through the years, specially after watching him play in the WDADRU dvd.
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It's either insecurity or overconfidence...
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And even if they're not (which I am definitely not buying), they are certainly not less.
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It reminds me of high school jock behavior...say all sorts of demeaning/nasty things to someone, then call them too sensitive and say you were just joking when they get upset about it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
You missed an essential 3rd link in the chain. It's:
1. Hurl needless and unprovoked jabs at people on the internet
2. Label anyone who takes exception to it as "humourless" and "over-sensitive"
3. Then proceed to cry about all the "negative poison on the internet" when people return the jabs right back at you.
It's textbook bullying behaviour and is usually out-grown around early adolescence.
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I think he feels he deserves more fame and recognition than he's gotten
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KevMo is just plain awesome, flat out. He rules. You Go Now is in my all-time favorite albums. I tend to listen to it at the very least once a week for various reasons (shower tunes, at the gym, doing household chores, at work etc.). It's so chill and musically satisfying.
Re: Sherinian, I think I'm about to pull the plug on buying anything of his again. I can think of a lot nicer musicians I can give my hard earned money to. The same goes for Mike. These guys are world famous and have accolades and awards... why do they feel the need to be dicks?
Especially when it's someones hard earned burger flipping money. Only stuff I have with DS is FIY and a Planet X cd. And now this is all I will have.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
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I cannot remember the specifics, but I remember Petrucci and Portnoy realizing how awesome the chemistry was with Rudess with making the LTE records and basically floated the idea that if he was ready to join the band (he had to decline back in '94), they would make it happen. I think once Rudess said yes, they went back to LaBrie and Myung and told them they were going to make the move. That is how I remember it, although I am sure the fact police will be by shortly to fact check me. :lol :lol
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That's how I always figured it happened because that's how MP used to talk about it in the Score documentary and in Lifting Shadows, now he seems to tell a different tale
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That's how I always figured it happened because that's how MP used to talk about it in the Score documentary and in Lifting Shadows, now he seems to tell a different tale
But Derek doesn't seem to realize this at all :facepalm:
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
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I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
I think people say that because Mike was the one that would say, and still says, that he was "the leader" of DT and always spoke of how much control he had there (wether this is true or not).
Of course he wasn't the only one pushing in that direction, but he was clearly very happy with Jordan being brought in and, at the time, didn't seem to care too much about Derek being fired, I mean... just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT3DsCb-u4M
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
Sorry you are missing my point. MP is allowing the guy he/dt fired to talk shit about the guy he/dt hired because now he too is no longer part of DT. Of his own volition. Sour grapes and misery loves company and all that.. These 2 are now feeding each other with this stuff. Don't they have a new band with an album coming out. I remember something about that but then they started tweeeting this and facebooking that. BUT its the fans that are the trolls.
Eh, just want to add the good saying "do not bite the hand that feeds you" even burgers derek.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
Sorry you are missing my point. MP is allowing the guy he/dt fired to talk shit about the guy he/dt hired because now he too is no longer part of DT. Of his own volition. Sour grapes and misery loves company and all that.. These 2 are now feeding each other with this stuff. Don't they have a new band with an album coming out. I remember something about that but then they started tweeeting this and facebooking that. BUT its the fans that are the trolls.
Eh, just want to add the good saying "do not bite the hand that feeds you" even burgers derek.
He's allowing him to talk smack? He might not be asking him to stop, but "allowing him"? That's a perfect example of what I've been saying. Mike Portnoy in no way, shape or form can control another person's actions unless it's one of his children. Could MP be goading him into saying these things? Maybe. Could MP be asking him to say these things? Maybe. But allowing him? :mehlin
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But Derek doesn't seem to realize this at all :facepalm:
You can't tell him either. He'll block you or delete your comment. Someone messaged me on Facebook saying he deleted their comment and blocked them on the posts about Noxon's review. He must have saw my exchange with Derek and messaged me about his comment. I'm interested to know what he said to get blocked and deleted
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And please let me clarify my point. Semantics is much of what got things to this point with MP to begin with. People have been critical of how he words things in social media and interviews. If we're going to be critical of the things that he says, shouldn't we be holding ourselves to a higher standard while discussing the topic?
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I disagree. Frankly, we are just nameless joe shmoes on an internet forum; what we say is of eventually no consequence and is best ignored by any of the artists involved. In turn, I don't think there is any point to us trying to ride some moral high ground. Part of the allure of a forum like this is, short of breaking the rules, being able to say what you feel about an artist.
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I think Sherinian just listened to Metropolis part 2 for the first time. I would also be jealous as shit after that.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
Sorry you are missing my point. MP is allowing the guy he/dt fired to talk shit about the guy he/dt hired because now he too is no longer part of DT. Of his own volition. Sour grapes and misery loves company and all that.. These 2 are now feeding each other with this stuff. Don't they have a new band with an album coming out. I remember something about that but then they started tweeeting this and facebooking that. BUT its the fans that are the trolls.
Eh, just want to add the good saying "do not bite the hand that feeds you" even burgers derek.
My thoughts exactly...
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
It IS childish, and my feelings on the matter echo what you've said here. It is really a shame, because he does have a point -- it was NOT justified that DT fired him. But, DT (including Mike) wanted Jordan first, and when he was available, they shat on DS to get him. So, I do understand DS could harbor some hurt feelings toward DT. But obviously, he's cool with Mike, and was cool with the rest of them to perform with them post-firing.
Personally, I would have preferred they stuck with Derek on keyboards, as Jordan isn't my cup of tea. But it has been 20 years. I moved on, and Derek did too. If Derek is serious about all these slights, and it is not just him trying to be funny, then I'd say this "reunion" with Portnoy is the worst thing for him. Because all he is doing is destroying two decades of professional goodwill he built by staying classy until this.
I've pre-ordered Sons of Apollo. I am looking forward to it. But if this is how Derek and Mike are going to be on social media and moving forward, I'll have to reconsider supporting them. I've done it for bands I was much more invested in when I felt like they said or did things I don't approve of, and so I can easily do it for a brand new prog band I've only heard snippets of (I have not listened to the two songs).
Success these days is built on goodwill with fans and getting them to come out and see you perform. Take the Queensryche fallout. Don't tell me the turnout of that affair was based just on the lawyers. It certainly wasn't. Public perception, which was driven by social media and message boards, was a key component in that whole affair.
So, if Sons of Apollo wants to do well and make a name, I think DS and MP may want to reverse course a bit, and stop sinking themselves before they've even left port.
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
Apart from Derek, Diego Tejeida from Haken would be a suitable replacement once Jordan calls it a career.
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I wonder why he feels the need to take shots at Rudess like that.
My guess is that he feels inferior. He does not feel it was justified that DT fired him, he made that clear in the recent Eddie Trunk interview, so maybe it makes him feel better to criticize the guy who they replaced him with. Whatever the case, it's very childish.
Yet it was the guy sitting next to him that probably had the final say.
Not to rehash a lot of old garbage that's been ran into the ground on this site, but I'm guessing that MP's power within the DT entity has been greatly over-exaggerated. Raise the Knife lyrics being my soul piece of evidence from that time period. Speculate all you want, but he wasn't omnipotent within their decision making structure
No, but he was one of at least 3. You know who wasnt? Jordan Rudess. ehh, play ground shit that is easily seen who the instigator here is but whatever.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
Sorry you are missing my point. MP is allowing the guy he/dt fired to talk shit about the guy he/dt hired because now he too is no longer part of DT. Of his own volition. Sour grapes and misery loves company and all that.. These 2 are now feeding each other with this stuff. Don't they have a new band with an album coming out. I remember something about that but then they started tweeeting this and facebooking that. BUT its the fans that are the trolls.
Eh, just want to add the good saying "do not bite the hand that feeds you" even burgers derek.
He's allowing him to talk smack? He might not be asking him to stop, but "allowing him"? That's a perfect example of what I've been saying. Mike Portnoy in no way, shape or form can control another person's actions unless it's one of his children. Could MP be goading him into saying these things? Maybe. Could MP be asking him to say these things? Maybe. But allowing him? :mehlin
Well, when you're the leader, and you've made it clear you're the leader, and take a lot of opportunities to tell people you're the leader, and someone that you lead keeps doing something that may or may not be in good taste then yeah you're allowing it.
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
I don't want Rudess to leave the band but what you've suggested here is an interesting scenario to think about. Jordan announces his retirement from the band and Dream Theater invite Derek to rejoin them 1 week before the Sons of Apollo tour kicks off. They could film it like for their replacement drummer documentary, only this time have Mangini and Labrie make the call inviting Derek to join the band, and Derek can shout with joy and relief while MP sits in the background asking him who's on the phone.
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
Apart from Derek, Diego Tejeida from Haken would be a suitable replacement once Jordan calls it a career.
I think Diego is a much more suitable replacement for DT than Derek. I think he combines Jordan’s and Derek’s styles very well, while also letting his own style shine. Also, I don’t think Derek can play Jordan’s keyboard lines, he’s not that good. Diego, on the other hand, has proved he can do it perfectly on the MP TSF tour. And don’t get me started on Derek’s character issues...
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
I don't want Rudess to leave the band but what you've suggested here is an interesting scenario to think about. Jordan announces his retirement from the band and Dream Theater invite Derek to rejoin them 1 week before the Sons of Apollo tour kicks off. They could film it like for their replacement drummer documentary, only this time have Mangini and Labrie make the call inviting Derek to join the band, and Derek can shout with joy and relief while MP sits in the background asking him who's on the phone.
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I honestly don't think Derek could hack Jordan's parts anyway. They'd have to really restrict their live set. There are very few people I think of when I think 'irreplaceable' band members, and Jordan is usually the first name to come to mind, even moreso than people who were founders of their respective bands. Jordan's playing, his choice of instruments, and his songwriting are irreplaceable to DT at this point.
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This isn't a knock on Jordan AT ALL, but I wouldn't consider him irreplaceable. Yeah, he's an integral member of the band, and perhaps the second most..."important" (for lack of a better term) member of the band. But there are amazing keyboardists and composers out there. And even if they had to make some tweaks to some songs in the catalog and reproduce them slightly differently live, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they could carry on without Jordan without missing a step. Again, that's not to take anything away from Jordan whatsoever. But almost anybody can be replaced if necessity dictates. There's a lot of talent out there.
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I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
I think people say that because Mike was the one that would say, and still says, that he was "the leader" of DT and always spoke of how much control he had there (wether this is true or not).
Of course he wasn't the only one pushing in that direction, but he was clearly very happy with Jordan being brought in and, at the time, didn't seem to care too much about Derek being fired, I mean... just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT3DsCb-u4M
To be fair, I wouldn't expect Portnoy or any other band member to be crying about Sherinian during Ruddess' official Welcome to Dream Theater video.
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This isn't a knock on Jordan AT ALL, but I wouldn't consider him irreplaceable. Yeah, he's an integral member of the band, and perhaps the second most..."important" (for lack of a better term) member of the band. But there are amazing keyboardists and composers out there. And even if they had to make some tweaks to some songs in the catalog and reproduce them slightly differently live, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they could carry on without Jordan without missing a step. Again, that's not to take anything away from Jordan whatsoever. But almost anybody can be replaced if necessity dictates. There's a lot of talent out there.
Agree with all of this. And, again, I think Diego would be the perfect fit if Jordan ever decides to retire.
IMO, the only "irreplaceable" DT member is Petrucci. Even Myung could be replaced and it wouldn't be too much of a deal.
I won't argue that he wasn't involved. My point being that it doesn't lie squarely on his shoulders. People on this forum (and the old one that was part of the official site) have attributed entirely too much of the things that went on with DT to him during those years. Was it because he was the most "in your face" member, and handled most of their public stuff? Almost certainly. However, the fact remains that he was only a single vote. I mention Raise the Knife because one of the verses deals with him losing out on a vote.
Now, was he probably full of himself when he claimed that he didn't vote DS out in favor of Jordan? I'll buy that with no hesitation. But he couldn't make that happen alone.
I think people say that because Mike was the one that would say, and still says, that he was "the leader" of DT and always spoke of how much control he had there (wether this is true or not).
Of course he wasn't the only one pushing in that direction, but he was clearly very happy with Jordan being brought in and, at the time, didn't seem to care too much about Derek being fired, I mean... just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT3DsCb-u4M
To be fair, I wouldn't expect Portnoy or any other band member to be crying about Sherinian during Ruddess' official Welcome to Dream Theater video.
Of course not. I posted the video because it's Mike basically saying the're better than they could possibly imagine, with Jordan on the band.
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And here it is on video!
https://youtu.be/b-vcUEf0v8E?t=14s
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Damn, that is pathetic....
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This isn't a knock on Jordan AT ALL, but I wouldn't consider him irreplaceable. Yeah, he's an integral member of the band, and perhaps the second most..."important" (for lack of a better term) member of the band. But there are amazing keyboardists and composers out there. And even if they had to make some tweaks to some songs in the catalog and reproduce them slightly differently live, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they could carry on without Jordan without missing a step. Again, that's not to take anything away from Jordan whatsoever. But almost anybody can be replaced if necessity dictates. There's a lot of talent out there.
Agree with all of this. And, again, I think Diego would be the perfect fit if Jordan ever decides to retire.
IMO, the only "irreplaceable" DT member is Petrucci. Even Myung could be replaced and it wouldn't be too much of a deal.
After seeing The Shattered Fortress a couple of weeks ago, I would say Diego could easily replace Jordan and Eric could easily replace John if ever needed. Those guys absolutely nailed those songs. I think if JP left the band that would be it for DT, but if he left and the band wanted to go on, they certainly could.
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The question about Diego and Eric is whether they can compose parts like JP and JR.
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The question about Diego and Eric is whether they can compose parts like JP and JR.
Exactly. If DT were only about touring old material, then sure, but people listen to DT for their writing.
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The question about Diego and Eric is whether they can compose parts like JP and JR.
No kidding. There's a million Youtube players out there that can note-for-note play anything Dream Theater has written, but nobody wants to listen to any of their originals (assuming they even have any). It's not just about skill or "can someone play it", they have to actually be able to write also.
As an aside, all these note-for-note guitar players... I'd love it if they'd just jam over a blues track for a few minutes but I'm willing to bet many of them can't cuz all they know is how to copy other music by simply playing it over and over forever.
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Even though his tendency to overplay at times drive me nuts, Rudess is still pretty incredible, and is a far better composer and player than Sherinian. It really isn't close.
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And here it is on video!
https://youtu.be/b-vcUEf0v8E?t=14s
Man, I'm late to the party (have not read any of DS's comments as of yet; I never look on Twitter for anything lol) but that really was uncalled for.
I understand the annoyance with JR constantly advertising different products and forcing them into songs. I really don't care for it either but come on, the majority of what he plays is still on a regular keyboard.
Does he make some musical decisions I think are terrible? Oh yes. But so does Derek. And I can tell you, from their solo albums, Jordan has many more memorable songs, sections and solos than Derek does. Most of the highlights of Derek's solo albums are actually the guitarists! I do enjoy all of Oceana and a few tracks off each of the other albums but Jordan's stuff on Feeding the Wheel and Rhythm of Time has a lot more depth and complexity; you can listen to those tracks over and over and discover new details within them.
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Please someone turn it into a gif :
https://youtu.be/aH9A6OCXomk?t=7m18s
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I have to admit I don't like Jordan's input since SC, all these machines, unnatural sounds (whatever you call them) he brings to the table is not my cup of tea but doesn't mean he is bad. He is damn talented and no match for Derek.
Whatever if it is meant to be joke or being funny by Derek. One is just fine but repating it more time, making hastags and filming this makes you ridiculous. I suggest both MP and him change his band name to the Midlife Crisis. Suits well.
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the bebot was so influential that they built an entire character around it in the new star wars trilogy. Just sayin' ;)
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the bebot was so influential that they built an entire character around it in the new star wars trilogy. Just sayin' ;)
Wasn't that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Bebot and Rocksteady
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Please someone turn it into a gif :
https://youtu.be/aH9A6OCXomk?t=7m18s
I paused on this frame.
(https://i.imgur.com/QP6Mamg.png)
Caption challenge: go!
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the bebot was so influential that they built an entire character around it in the new star wars trilogy. Just sayin' ;)
Wasn't that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Bebot and Rocksteady
:loser:
That would be Bebop ;)
But I'm actually serious. BB-8 is "voiced" by Bill Hader playing the bebot app on an iphone, the same app used for the solo in ARoP.
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Please someone turn it into a gif :
https://youtu.be/aH9A6OCXomk?t=7m18s
I paused on this frame.
(https://i.imgur.com/QP6Mamg.png)
Caption challenge: go!
I thought of a song by Kaprekar's Constant but it's called Four-Faced Liar..
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Wow, what the fuck - did anybody see this comment on the SoA YouTube video (the one where Derek said 'cheesy ass gadgets')?
They haven't been silent. They've put out three releases of complete and utter dogshit.
I've already got this record and it's superb. The Astonishing is a disgrace to the prog genre and I wish somebody would hunt down and kill Mike Mangini right now.
Good lord... you can dislike the music, okay, but wtf?!
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Keyboard lions. The web is full of them. Pity their ignorance and move on. (Even though a report to YouTube would be more than warranted)
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Wow, what the fuck - did anybody see this comment on the SoA YouTube video (the one where Derek said 'cheesy ass gadgets')?
They haven't been silent. They've put out three releases of complete and utter dogshit.
I've already got this record and it's superb. The Astonishing is a disgrace to the prog genre and I wish somebody would hunt down and kill Mike Mangini right now.
Good lord... you can dislike the music, okay, but wtf?!
Jesus Christ, some people are assholes. Sounds like quite the well adjusted individual.
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Wow, what the fuck - did anybody see this comment on the SoA YouTube video (the one where Derek said 'cheesy ass gadgets')?
They haven't been silent. They've put out three releases of complete and utter dogshit.
I've already got this record and it's superb. The Astonishing is a disgrace to the prog genre and I wish somebody would hunt down and kill Mike Mangini right now.
Good lord... you can dislike the music, okay, but wtf?!
IB4 MP presses the "like" button.
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He's just trying to provoke the Dream Theater fan base. Of course that's not the smart thing to do (HE is the one losing fans, money and appreciation by doing this), but just ignore him and let it pass.
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I honestly don't see what good is gonna come out of it.
B.Lee
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Absolutely no good. He's actually turned a lot of people off by doing this, myself included. In all honesty it's been nothing but drama with this band from the beginning. Let's not forget how Mike teased this band months ago and then when fans started putting two and two together based on what members of this band posted on social media, Mike blasted the fans and shut down all talk/speculation of the band on his forum. Between that and all the crap going on now, my interest in this band has diminished greatly. That plus the fact that the music so far sounds nothing like they described.
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Absolutely no good. He's actually turned a lot of people off by doing this, myself included. In all honesty it's been nothing but drama with this band from the beginning. Let's not forget how Mike teased this band months ago and then when fans started putting two and two together based on what members of this band posted on social media, Mike blasted the fans and shut down all talk/speculation of the band on his forum. Between that and all the crap going on now, my interest in this band has diminished greatly. That plus the fact that the music so far sounds nothing like they described.
Agreed on all parts but the music. I don't like it not because it's not prog but because I don't find it to be good music, or at least not to my liking. But I get where you're coming from : when you advertise something as prog metal, the songs released should at least be prog metal. Otherwise, it's a lie.
B.Lee
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And here it is on video!
https://youtu.be/b-vcUEf0v8E?t=14s
MP always spoke highly about JR, even after the split (acknowledging in public that they still kept in touch and remained in good terms ever since), so this really strikes me as total BS from his so-called friend. When JR began incorporating his 'iPad' and other 'gadgets' (word that makes me cringe to the core), MP was 100% on board and happy with the new possibilities these new instruments brought to the table (not my words, his); so having him follow and back up Derek's comment of 'I'm the real deal, no iPadz, just good ole keyboards because I'm the king of keyz' feels kinda hypocrytical to me. I mean, it's not like JR should care at all about this child game because he's still winning the big bucks and is still *the* big name in the progressive metal keyboardist circles. It's not even close.
I wish someone just told Derek something along the lines of 'hey, buddy, your facade is funny and everything but you were still replaced by JR'.
Sorry, I'm usually not temperamental at all but this whole situation makes me cringe so much lol.
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Maybe he'll appreciate gadgets more if he listens to enigma machine
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Jordan Rudess retiring from DT will be some thing I think I will be sad. He already earned his place and his style already personifies DT today even though Kevin Moore really did a huge impact early on.
But that is life.
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Absolutely no good. He's actually turned a lot of people off by doing this, myself included. In all honesty it's been nothing but drama with this band from the beginning. Let's not forget how Mike teased this band months ago and then when fans started putting two and two together based on what members of this band posted on social media, Mike blasted the fans and shut down all talk/speculation of the band on his forum. Between that and all the crap going on now, my interest in this band has diminished greatly. That plus the fact that the music so far sounds nothing like they described.
Agreed on all parts but the music. I don't like it not because it's not prog but because I don't find it to be good music, or at least not to my liking. But I get where you're coming from : when you advertise something as prog metal, the songs released should at least be prog metal. Otherwise, it's a lie.
B.Lee
The thing is I actually do think the music is good. If we weren't sold that these guys were gonna be the new kings of Prog and all that, then I think the reception of the songs released might be different. And I know I haven't heard the whole album, but from what I've read from those who have, it doesn't sound like the rest of the album is all that different than what we've already heard.
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Apparently Derek thinks Jordan is the only other keyboardist in the world.
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Absolutely no good. He's actually turned a lot of people off by doing this, myself included. In all honesty it's been nothing but drama with this band from the beginning. Let's not forget how Mike teased this band months ago and then when fans started putting two and two together based on what members of this band posted on social media, Mike blasted the fans and shut down all talk/speculation of the band on his forum. Between that and all the crap going on now, my interest in this band has diminished greatly. That plus the fact that the music so far sounds nothing like they described.
Agreed on all parts but the music. I don't like it not because it's not prog but because I don't find it to be good music, or at least not to my liking. But I get where you're coming from : when you advertise something as prog metal, the songs released should at least be prog metal. Otherwise, it's a lie.
B.Lee
The thing is I actually do think the music is good. If we weren't sold that these guys were gonna be the new kings of Prog and all that, then I think the reception of the songs released might be different. And I know I haven't heard the whole album, but from what I've read from those who have, it doesn't sound like the rest of the album is all that different than what we've already heard.
Oh, OK, my bad then. And you're right, Noxon has said that the rest of the album was in the same vein. So, not my cup of tea at all.
B.Lee
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Apparently Derek thinks Jordan is the only other keyboardist in the world.
I wonder if Mike realizes that Diego Tejeida (his current keyboard player for TSF) also uses an ipad and a keytar... on Mike’s shows
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Bill Hubauer from NMB uses an iPad too.
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Apparently Derek thinks Jordan is the only other keyboardist in the world.
I wonder if Mike realizes that Diego Tejeida (his current keyboard player for TSF) also uses an ipad and a keytar... on Mike’s shows
Bill Hubauer from NMB uses an iPad too.
Wow, lol. I didn't even think of that. Shame on Mike for not sticking up for his current bandmates. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Diego and Bill.
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Apparently Derek thinks Jordan is the only other keyboardist in the world.
I wonder if Mike realizes that Diego Tejeida (his current keyboard player for TSF) also uses an ipad and a keytar... on Mike’s shows
Bill Hubauer from NMB uses an iPad too.
Wow, lol. I didn't even think of that. Shame on Mike for not sticking up for his current bandmates. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Diego and Bill.
But then he'll be defending something Dream Theater related and we can't have that.
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So, since Derek is talking about no fakery and real instruments, I guess we can expect a lot of actual acoustic piano from him throughout the Sons of Apollo album. I hope he'll use a Steinway...
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Apparently Derek thinks Jordan is the only other keyboardist in the world.
I wonder if Mike realizes that Diego Tejeida (his current keyboard player for TSF) also uses an ipad and a keytar... on Mike’s shows
Bill Hubauer from NMB uses an iPad too.
Wow, lol. I didn't even think of that. Shame on Mike for not sticking up for his current bandmates. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Diego and Bill.
Yeah, Diego uses the Seaboard live and recorded the solo on The Architect with GeoShred (an app by Jordan). So, apparently, Mike is ok with Derek mocking some of his current band members.
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Sherinian probably still uses a VCR and a pager because new technology is clearly lame.
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Remember in the "Making of SFaM" studio video, at about 4:30 when MP goes downstairs to introduce JR and how ecstatic MP was? I can't link the video cuz it's not officially released but it's easy enough to find.
Man, how times have changed. How someone can turn their back on people that were basically family for so many years so quickly and so harshly is something I hope I never experience.
I remember the day MP made his announcement JR doing a gentle piano improv (can't find the video), with vocals even, about how it's sad but also it's ok if he felt he needed to move on... and now here we are.
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Sad thing is that during all the crap that was going on it seemed like Mike and Jordan still had a good relationship. I wouldn't blame Jordan one bit if he wanted absolutely nothing to do with Mike now.
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Jordan's latest on FB talks about learning and incorporating new styles... maybe Derek should heed that advice
Join me in my first Carnatic style, GeoShred lesson- part 1. I had the chance to sit down with the amazing Mahesh Raghvan and learn some awesome pitch bending! I love to learn and incorporate new styles of music in my playing and doing that is a key to originality! (Tip of the day)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155153601147989&id=8717682988
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Jordan's latest on FB talks about learning and incorporating new styles... maybe Derek should heed that advice
Join me in my first Carnatic style, GeoShred lesson- part 1. I had the chance to sit down with the amazing Mahesh Raghvan and learn some awesome pitch bending! I love to learn and incorporate new styles of music in my playing and doing that is a key to originality! (Tip of the day)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155153601147989&id=8717682988
This could be a response to Derek, and a classy one at that.
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So, since Derek is talking about no fakery and real instruments, I guess we can expect a lot of actual acoustic piano from him throughout the Sons of Apollo album. I hope he'll use a Steinway...
Well...he won't. But if you want to hear him playing a grand piano, check BCCIV, cool album.
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Jordan's latest on FB talks about learning and incorporating new styles... maybe Derek should heed that advice
Join me in my first Carnatic style, GeoShred lesson- part 1. I had the chance to sit down with the amazing Mahesh Raghvan and learn some awesome pitch bending! I love to learn and incorporate new styles of music in my playing and doing that is a key to originality! (Tip of the day)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155153601147989&id=8717682988
This could be a response to Derek, and a classy one at that.
It is most definitely a response.
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It is most definitely a response.
If it is then it's a really classy one....
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So, since Derek is talking about no fakery and real instruments, I guess we can expect a lot of actual acoustic piano from him throughout the Sons of Apollo album. I hope he'll use a Steinway...
Well...he won't. But if you want to hear him playing a grand piano, check BCCIV, cool album.
Well, I guess I was a bit too subtle with my comment. :lol It was a reference to another keyboard player who played on a Steinway piano (a ''real'' instrument) to record his piano parts (which there are a lot) on his band's latest double concept album.
But thank you for the recomendation. I'll check it out!
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
Apart from Derek, Diego Tejeida from Haken would be a suitable replacement once Jordan calls it a career.
Tony Bennett is still performing and is in his 90s. Jordon loves music and will not be retiring any time soon from 'music'. From DT, I have no idea.
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What sucks about this is that JR is probably the closest to retiring from Dream Theater due to his age. Derek could have burned a bridge if he was asked to return to DT if Jordan decided to hang his keys up. Just for the record, this is all speculation on my part.
Apart from Derek, Diego Tejeida from Haken would be a suitable replacement once Jordan calls it a career.
Tony Bennett is still performing and is in his 90s. Jordon loves music and will not be retiring any time soon from 'music'. From DT, I have no idea.
Jordan will never leave DT. Mark my words, place bets, whatever...he is in it until the end. DT as a whole might slow down in 5 years or so but Jordan will be the last keyboardist DT has. He is only 60 for gods sake. Doesn't appear to have any mobility problems. I'm sure is making more money than he ever has and while I'm sure he probably invested in a retirement plan and royalties might be a nice supplement, I doubt he is willing to give up his income. Alice Cooper is still touring like crazy and he is almost 70. He may not have to do blazing keyboard solos but his concerts are still physically demanding. He probably could afford to retire more than Jordan also.
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Also, when in interviews have Jordan ever hinted at quitting? Iron Maiden are still going strong and running around the stage, and they do acknowledge that time is passing and I've read a remark from Nicko McBrain "Can you imagine me playing Run to the Hills at 70?" - I haven't read anything like that from Jordan, ever. I'd like to share the Sheperd's optimism on this one.
And about Alice Cooper - he's got Mick Jagger in his sight. He said that he's six years older than him and when he quits, he knows he has 6 more years 'cause he doesn't want him to beat him at longevity :D
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Alice Cooper!! :metal
(Derek was in his band once upon a time)
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Alice Cooper!! :metal
(Derek was in his band once upon a time)
True! He was on the tours for Trash and Hey Stoopid, and so he got, as part of his backing band, to star with him in Wayne's World.
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Alice Cooper!! :metal
(Derek was in his band once upon a time)
True! He was on the tours for Trash and Hey Stoopid, and so he got, as part of his backing band, to star with him in Wayne's World.
Took this from the Sick Things UK fan site....
Alice on Derek from From Keyboard Magazine, January 1998:
What was it about Derek that made you want to hire him?
Alice: There are a few people in this world who were born rock stars,and he is one. He came out of the womb with his boots on. Derek understands pompous.
And his pomposity didn't rub you the wrong way?
Alice: No, not at all. I look for that in people. He understands how to be pompous at the right time. That's what real rock stars have got to learn: when to be pompous. He knew exactly how to stick his nose up when I'd introduce him. He was the Emperor Caligula of rock. But we didn't expect him to have the charisma he had. Especially offstage. He's a lot of fun,and a good poker player.
What about his keyboard abilities?
Alice: Derek's great. He's an asset to any band he's in. I mean,the thing about him is that he can play anything.
Whats your favorite memory of Derek from past tours?
Alice: He once pulled four twos on the bullet train from Japan, and won a huge poker pot. I'll always remember that day..... him jumping up on the very conservative bullet train, screaming that he'd pulled four twos, which is an awfully good hand in poker.
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Looks like that ability to be pompous at the right time wore off with time...
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Looks like that ability to be pompous at the right time wore off with time...
Not really. He's got people talking about SoA. People could just ignore him and not comment. But yet, people can't stop, and thats what fuels his fire.
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Looks like that ability to be pompous at the right time wore off with time...
Not really. He's got people talking about SoA. People could just ignore him and not comment. But yet, people can't stop, and thats what fuels his fire.
...but not his wallet.
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Looks like that ability to be pompous at the right time wore off with time...
Not really. He's got people talking about SoA. People could just ignore him and not comment. But yet, people can't stop, and thats what fuels his fire.
I think he's turned a lot more people off to the band then he's turned on to it. I don't think anyone wants to hear this music more now because of what a dick Derek is being.
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Agreed. He's certainly gotten the band more attention, but is it good attention? I really don't think so, at least for the most part.
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Looks like that ability to be pompous at the right time wore off with time...
Not really. He's got people talking about SoA. People could just ignore him and not comment. But yet, people can't stop, and thats what fuels his fire.
I think he's turned a lot more people off to the band then he's turned on to it. I don't think anyone wants to hear this music more now because of what a dick Derek is being.
Thats the bad side of social media. People like him just can't help but have fun with it by being a pompous butt.
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Attention alone doesn't pay the bills.
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Attention alone doesn't pay the bills.
I said it in the SoA thread already, but I don't see a band of 50-year-olds being successful enough to earn that much money. And I will still be convinced of it even if the album is very good, because in the eyes of the people who could make them successful- that is other people than the ones who will buy because they're MP, DS...- they're just a bunch of has-beens. All this is of course just my humble opinion.
B.Lee
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I think SOA has the potential to be more successful in the European/South American market than in North America. I really don't think they will break into the US market just because the US market is very different and less appealing in the prog/rock genres. If SOA plays festivals in Europe and has a few headliner shows and/or tags along as a supporting band for a bigger act, I think they will succeed (again, mainly in Europe). And I think that's what the band member names bring: a bit of a credibility to the band based on the names.
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I think SOA has the potential to be more successful in the European/South American market than in North America. I really don't think they will break into the US market just because the US market is very different and less appealing in the prog/rock genres. If SOA plays festivals in Europe and has a few headliner shows and/or tags along as a supporting band for a bigger act, I think they will succeed (again, mainly in Europe). And I think that's what the band member names bring: a bit of a credibility to the band based on the names.
I agree about the South American market, but I was thinking that it may have more potential in the US market than in the European market because I consider the album to be more "straight" metal that prog. Of course I have only listen the 2 songs they've realeased so I guess we'll see.
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So, since Derek is talking about no fakery and real instruments, I guess we can expect a lot of actual acoustic piano from him throughout the Sons of Apollo album. I hope he'll use a Steinway...
And I guess we can expect him bringing an actual Steinway on tour.
The dude is a keyboard player! One can even argue if a keyboard is actually a "fake" instrument. Not that I say so - but an iPad is an electronic device, just like a keyboard.
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Derek is an old-school keyboard player, but he seems a little too proud of that fact. I saw a YouTube vid of him, I think it had to do with Black Country Communion, where he talked about having a real Hammond B-3 and some other classic keyboards, because you really need that to get the classic sounds. I mostly agree with him, and to some extent understand him taking shots at Jordan and all his "gadgets". I mean, I'm old-school too, and a lot of that stuff does strike me as gimmicky.
But he's also being a dick about it. He takes his shots, and if you feel he goes too far, then he's just joking around, having fun, and you just don't get it. And he uses that as carte blanche to say whatever he wants, which is lame. Jordan is continually looking for new ways to make music, new sounds, new devices. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Derek is an old-school keyboard player, but he seems a little too proud of that fact. I saw a YouTube vid of him, I think it had to do with Black Country Communion, where he talked about having a real Hammond B-3 and some other classic keyboards, because you really need that to get the classic sounds. I mostly agree with him, and to some extent understand him taking shots at Jordan and all his "gadgets". I mean, I'm old-school too, and a lot of that stuff does strike me as gimmicky.
But he's also being a dick about it. He takes his shots, and if you feel he goes too far, then he's just joking around, having fun, and you just don't get it. And he uses that as carte blanche to say whatever he wants, which is lame. Jordan is continually looking for new ways to make music, new sounds, new devices. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, I mean, I prefer a real piano, Hammond, Rhodes, clavinet, etc any day. Without getting too off topic, the only keyboards which I really feel nail all of these sounds in one box would be the stuff from Nord. And I mean really nail them; a lot of keyboards can give you good results but the Nords have fooled a lot of people.
Anyway, if some app on an iPad has good sounds, I don't see what the problem is. Plenty of people use software instruments on stage via a laptop and MIDI keyboard. I do feel like every so often Jordan gets a few new apps or weird devices to promote so he just randomly adds them to a song somewhere, and I don't think I'd buy any of those "gadgets" either but as you said at least he's trying something new and looking to create new sounds. Derek basically always uses the same couple of sounds all the time now. Yeah, I made a version of his lead on one of my synths and yeah it's fun to play with because of how guitar-like it can be, but that's all he does it seems.
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Now he has made it to Progsphere, dunno if this is relevant here.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/specials/sherinian-poking-rudess/
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You know, thats not really a jab at JR. Because most modern prog. Bands are using ipads and keytars, Haken. Hence why he says he's keeping it old school. Plus, he said "my" so he may have a an iPad and keytar but doesn't utulize them. You never know.
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iPad = Jordan, I don't recall any prog rock/metal people using iPhones or iPads in their music prior to 2009, at least any moderately well known musicians
Keytar = Jordan's Zen Riffer
apps = Jordan has released a bunch of apps and fiddles with them (and makes new ones) all the time
gadgets = Continuum, possibly just another shot at the keytar/etc.
Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.) and... yeah. I totally think they're directed at JR, I bet behind the scenes Mike has told Derek a lot about the DT camp and his split.
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iPad = Jordan, I don't recall any prog rock/metal people using iPhones or iPads in their music prior to 2009, at least any moderately well known musicians
Keytar = Jordan's Zen Riffer
apps = Jordan has released a bunch of apps and fiddles with them (and makes new ones) all the time
gadgets = Continuum, possibly just another shot at the keytar/etc.
Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.) and... yeah. I totally think they're directed at JR, I bet behind the scenes Mike has told Derek a lot about the DT camp and his split.
MP seems to have a schizophrenic attitude these days , having said one thing one day and saying completely the contrary now. Back to topic, I have never liked DS's public persona , so his shots don't surprise me in the least.
B.Lee
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There is absolutely no doubt that he’s talking about Jordan specifically. Derek is incredibly jealous of Jordan and has made that very apparent lately.
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Derek is incredibly jealous of Derek
Jealous of himself, now that's pretty bad! :lol
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Haha that’s why I usually read my posts before posting. Guess I missed that one.
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Jordan now on Facebook:
I was speaking with with a young and talented musician from India about becoming a musician in the world we live in. Specifically about music competitions and how the concept of competition doesn’t really work when it comes to artists and their creative spirits.
Instead of a lot of words about the subject- I offer this:
Song for Sanjay
"This" is an improv piece played on a piano (not on an iPad).
Different styles, different attitudes...
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Jordan now on Facebook:
I was speaking with with a young and talented musician from India about becoming a musician in the world we live in. Specifically about music competitions and how the concept of competition doesn’t really work when it comes to artists and their creative spirits.
Instead of a lot of words about the subject- I offer this:
Song for Sanjay
"This" is an improv piece played on a piano (not on an iPad).
Different styles, different attitudes...
That piece was beautiful. It's pretty obvious he's seen Derek's comments, and his response is about as classy as it gets.
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
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Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.)
Where was this? I want to read that ;D
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https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
Yep, want to know that as well.
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
Yep, want to know that as well.
Me too!
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I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.
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I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.
Yeah, I guess that's the same as constantly talking shit about someone.
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I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.
Yeah, I guess that's the same as constantly talking shit about someone.
No kidding : you take a one-off comment and equate it to a non-stop taking jab at someone?!? Well.....
B.Lee
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Not to mention the fact that Jordan read my rebuttle, instantly realized he'd done goofed and apologized.
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.
Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.
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https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.
Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it. Quite a stark contrast to the very blunt reaction to being asked about Metropolis pt 3 by a fanclub thing in 2005? 2003? Can't remember. Where he just looked very emotionless at the camera and said "no", no smile or anything :mehlin
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.
Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.
Specifics would help -- Jordan again seems like one of the nicest guys ever, to me, so I find it hard to believe he'd be 'outright pissy' towards a fan!
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https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.
Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it. Quite a stark contrast to the very blunt reaction to being asked about Metropolis pt 3 by a fanclub thing in 2005? 2003? Can't remember. Where he just looked very emotionless at the camera and said "no", no smile or anything :mehlin
Lol I’ll never forget that
https://youtu.be/7DIaFsB2TIQ
Around the 2 minute mark
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And then in the next question, he announces that James Labrie has no balls
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As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek :tdwn
I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care
What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.
It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.
Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.
Specifics would help -- Jordan again seems like one of the nicest guys ever, to me, so I find it hard to believe he'd be 'outright pissy' towards a fan!
No one is perfect though - all of my encounters with Jordan he's been really nice and down to earth, but I'm sure even he has his moments every once in a while. We all do.
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It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.
Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.
I really wish we had the specifics, though I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into it. I almost never hear anyone having a bad experience with JR, whether in person or online so it's just a bit interesting.
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Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it.
That's why I posted that video: to show that Derek is definitely not serious about that. We sometimes chat on Messenger and he is really a funny guy and do not hesitate to poke fun at DT but it's just for the fun. He likes to be pushing buttons and to see how the fans react, like a child who's spitting at the crowd from a balcony and loves to see the people's reaction.
Imagine what would've happened if the "making history" video was released back in 1997 before FII was released and especially after it was released. We would've said that Derek was presomptious and he was not making history but the worst album in DT's history (it's definitely not my opinion but we all know how the majority of the fans reacted when it was released).
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He likes to be pushing buttons and to see how the fans react, like a child who's spitting at the crowd from a balcony and loves to see the people's reaction.
That's not a very flattering description for anybody to be given. Hope he likes it!
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Well, maybe I shouldn't have used the comparison with a child spitting ;) It works better with water bombs :D
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I've met Derek once, outside of a Black Label Society concert (he was playing keys with them for a dvd shoot). He joking gave my buddy and I shit for wearing DT shirts (we didn't do it intentionally). Then chatted for a couple minutes and got a picture with us. Didn't get a negative vibe from him at all. Totally unexpected... made my night.
I really do hope most of the shit talking is just in jest.
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I really do hope most of the shit talking is just in jest.
Of course to him it's all for fun. I'd be surprised if he's harboring a 20 years old grudge but waited until now to unleash it. He doesn't realize the (relative) harm he may do, and that most of the times he's not that funny.
Also, it looks like it's everything he's saying. One or two good jokes... only the most stiff people would be annoyed by it. Taking shots at DT *every* time he tweets something... it gets old fast.
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No gadgets? God forbid a progressive metal band actually be progressive and innovative.
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Oh boy, can't wait to go see Gadget Theater :lol
#Images and gadgets
#Awake because of a loud gadget
#A change of gadgets
#Falling into cheese
#Gadgevarium
#Black Clouds & Silver iPads
(I'll stop now)
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Don't forget Train of Gadgets.
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Oh boy, can't wait to go see Gadget Theater :lol
#Images and gadgets
#Awake because of a loud gadget
#A change of gadgets
#Falling into cheese
#Gadgevarium
#Black Clouds & Silver iPads
(I'll stop now)
Falling Into Infinicheese?
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Falling Into Infinicheese?
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Jordan put up this recently
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155204726027989&id=8717682988
Someone asked this in the comments:
what is your take on derrek's youtube statement?
To wich I replyed:
They have nothing to gain in responding to his immature social media taunts.
Better to just let him make a fool of himself.
Jordan liked my answer and answered with a smilie....
He is aware but is a class act....
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Jordan put up this recently
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155204726027989&id=8717682988
Someone asked this in the comments:
what is your take on derrek's youtube statement?
To wich I replyed:
They have nothing to gain in responding to his immature social media taunts.
Better to just let him make a fool of himself.
Jordan liked my answer and answered with a smilie....
He is aware but is a class act....
Pure class!
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Good guy, Jordan.
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Hah, that sounds about right. Classy for Jordan not to get down in the weeds.
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Sad thing is after the break when it seemed like there was lots of bad blood, Mike and Jordan were the ones who seemed like they always remained close. That being the case you would think Mike would tell Derek to quit the nonsense. Instead Mike defends it and bashes his fans who find it childish.