Do you agree or disagree with the new "no cameras" rule?

[YtseJam]

lol, I take a picture every day of my daughters since the day they were each born. It is something I will appreciate and cherish until I croak

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

At least now that people are avoiding to take any photos or videos they're actually enjoying the show through their own eyes.

This means nothing, I enjoy every show I can go to whether I can take a picture or not... assuming it's a good show (which DT was).

For me, it does. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that taking a couple of pictures and some video is bad, but it's kinda sad that in 85% of the concerts I go to more than half of the attending people are recording at the beginning of every show (which, for me, is one of the best parts of a live concert) and even whole songs afterwards. I've recorded videos on concerts myself and they are nice ways of remembering the event, but it's normally not more than 1 minute or so.

I've seen several folks recording/watching whole shows through their phones and that's what I think is lame. If you want to watch the band through a screen, better stay at home and watch some DVDs.

[cramx3]

At least now that people are avoiding to take any photos or videos they're actually enjoying the show through their own eyes.

This means nothing, I enjoy every show I can go to whether I can take a picture or not... assuming it's a good show (which DT was).

For me, it does. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that taking a couple of pictures and some video is bad, but it's kinda sad that in 85% of the concerts I go to more than half of the attending people are recording at the beginning of every show (which, for me, is one of the best parts of a live concert) and even whole songs afterwards. I've recorded videos on concerts myself and they are nice ways of remembering the event, but it's normally not more than 1 minute or so.

I've seen several folks recording/watching whole shows through their phones and that's what I think is lame. If you want to watch the band through a screen, better stay at home and watch some DVDs.

I can agree with that last point, but my point initially was just because someone is taking a picture doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the show and aren't enjoying it through their eyes (at least for the most part).  My arm gets very tired if I record more than a minute so I have no idea how someone records an entire concert or what joy they get out of that so I can totally agree with you there.

[Dublagent66]

"Cameras and cell phones are not prohibited inside the theatre"

Ok, then what's the problem?   

Have you not read the thread at all? 

Yes, have you?  I was talking about YtseJam's post.  Why would they be yelling obnoxiously that cameras and cell phones are "not prohibited" in the theater?  Why would they be?  That makes no sense.  Therefore, I LOLed.

[YtseJam]

lol 

[DragonAttack]

Sunday night up in the balcony....weren't distracted one time from someone on their cell checking on a ballgame (or whether their kid pooped their drawers at home or to take a call and converse for five minutes), or raising them up in the air in our faces.  Never saw an usher during the performance.  We spent money on the show, got to watch the show (also because others were just watching), and we enjoyed the show...as did those around us.

No complaints.

[King Postwhore]

"Cameras and cell phones are not prohibited inside the theatre"

Ok, then what's the problem?   

Have you not read the thread at all? 

Yes, have you?  I was talking about YtseJam's post.  Why would they be yelling obnoxiously that cameras and cell phones are "not prohibited" in the theater?  Why would they be?  That makes no sense.  Therefore, I LOLed.

I had the exact thing happen to me. Even before the show and durring intermission. It was that bad.

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

At least now that people are avoiding to take any photos or videos they're actually enjoying the show through their own eyes.

When I'm a parent, I'm never taking a single picture of my kids. I want to make sure I enjoy every single second of their lives through my own eyes.

Thousands of other people aren't trying to enjoy watching your kids at the same time that you may want to take pics of them.

[Daffypig]

Admittedly I haven't read this entire thread (I wasn't even aware of the camera controversy until just today!), but thought I'd weigh in, just getting back from the Greensburg PA show.  I'll admit that I don't particularly care one way or the other about this rule, and not being able to take pictures doesn't really disappoint me (I doubt I'd have taken any if I were able to!)

What most definitely DID disappoint me is the power hungry jackass working security at the show practically screaming at at least two people for the camera rule, BEFORE THE SHOW HAD EVEN STARTED.  I understand rules are rules, but what could they possibly get a picture of, that big map on the screen that is already on the internet?  Not to mention that after this occurred the "no cameras" thing was essentially the butt of jokes with other audience members the entire evening.

I realize that the band probably has zero control in this department (I'm assuming these employees are hired locally), but I guarantee that this thread wouldn't have reached seven pages if security were enforcing this rule in a somewhat reasonable manner. 

[King Postwhore]

So it's very obvious that they are going to extremes in many venues following DT's edict. bosk1 would say that it's not on the band but at least they need to get the point across to the venues that only during the performance, not before or during the intermission.

[mikeyd23]

No clue where you were sitting at the Greensburg show, but in my section this rule was handled perfectly. No one cared if phones were out and being used before the show, during intermission, etc... A couple times during the show people had their phones out and an usher asked them to put their phones away. That was it. Worked perfectly fine.

[Daffypig]

No clue where you were sitting at the Greensburg show, but in my section this rule was handled perfectly. No one cared if phones were out and being used before the show, during intermission, etc... A couple times during the show people had their phones out and an usher asked them to put their phones away. That was it. Worked perfectly fine.

I'm talking about 10 minutes before the show started, the security guy in front practically screaming at a guy in the upper level (resulting in a considerable negative response from the audience I might add), and then to somebody on the left side of the middle section in the lower level.  Again, this was all about 10 minutes before the show actually started, and I'll grant that I didn't see any other incidents other than that, but unless you weren't actually inside the theater at that point there was absolutely no way that this incident could be missed.

Again, I don't think asking people to put their phones away is unreasonable, but screaming at people about it before the show had even started is going to sour people's attitudes somewhat.  (though again, I recognize that the band probably has little control over how ushers and private security act)

[mikeyd23]

I didn't get in the theater till a couple minutes before the band started, so maybe I missed all that... I'm just telling you what I saw. People had their phones out in my section before the show and no one said anything to them. The show started, almost everyone had their phones put away. The few that didn't the ushers asked them to and they did. No drama. During intermission, people once again had their phones out, and once again I didn't see anyone around me getting yelled at.

I'm just telling you what I saw, that's all.

[Daffypig]

I didn't get in the theater till a couple minutes before the band started, so maybe I missed all that... I'm just telling you what I saw. People had their phones out in my section before the show and no one said anything to them. The show started, almost everyone had their phones put away. The few that didn't the ushers asked them to and they did. No drama. During intermission, people once again had their phones out, and once again I didn't see anyone around me getting yelled at.

I'm just telling you what I saw, that's all.

Sounds like that makes sense then, it probably went down before you got there.  I don't mean to sound confrontational or anything here.  The rest of the evening was without incident on this front, and generally handled professionally (again from my vantage point)

[Dublagent66]

"Cameras and cell phones are not prohibited inside the theatre"

Ok, then what's the problem?   

Have you not read the thread at all? 

Yes, have you?  I was talking about YtseJam's post.  Why would they be yelling obnoxiously that cameras and cell phones are "not prohibited" in the theater?  Why would they be?  That makes no sense.  Therefore, I LOLed.

I had the exact thing happen to me. Even before the show and durring intermission. It was that bad.

Really?  They were yelling cameras and cell phones "NOT PROHIBITED"?  That sounds really bad.   

[YtseJam]

I thought we already covered this.... Not permitted mixed with prohibited equals Not Prohibited!  It is a new meaning up for interpretation

[Grizz]

Irregardless, it's a stupid exclamation

[ariich]

Irregardless, it's a stupid exclamation

Deliberate?

[King Postwhore]

Irregardless, it's a stupid exclamation

Deliberate?

The whole thing?

[bosk1]

Perhaps.  But accidentally.

[Chino]

I went to a concert last night at the same venue (Oakdale in CT) that I saw DT in last week. It was a sea of cellphones (and a fucking douche bag with an iPad pro four rows in front of me). The ushers' behavior was definitely DT's doing. Nothing whatsoever to do with the venue or their policies.

[Chino]

At least now that people are avoiding to take any photos or videos they're actually enjoying the show through their own eyes.

This means nothing, I enjoy every show I can go to whether I can take a picture or not... assuming it's a good show (which DT was).

For me, it does. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that taking a couple of pictures and some video is bad, but it's kinda sad that in 85% of the concerts I go to more than half of the attending people are recording at the beginning of every show (which, for me, is one of the best parts of a live concert) and even whole songs afterwards. I've recorded videos on concerts myself and they are nice ways of remembering the event, but it's normally not more than 1 minute or so.

I've seen several folks recording/watching whole shows through their phones and that's what I think is lame. If you want to watch the band through a screen, better stay at home and watch some DVDs.

I can agree with that last point, but my point initially was just because someone is taking a picture doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the show and aren't enjoying it through their eyes (at least for the most part).

Might be a little off topic, but can Stevie Wonder enjoy concerts?

[IDontNotDoThings]

At least now that people are avoiding to take any photos or videos they're actually enjoying the show through their own eyes.

This means nothing, I enjoy every show I can go to whether I can take a picture or not... assuming it's a good show (which DT was).

For me, it does. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that taking a couple of pictures and some video is bad, but it's kinda sad that in 85% of the concerts I go to more than half of the attending people are recording at the beginning of every show (which, for me, is one of the best parts of a live concert) and even whole songs afterwards. I've recorded videos on concerts myself and they are nice ways of remembering the event, but it's normally not more than 1 minute or so.

I've seen several folks recording/watching whole shows through their phones and that's what I think is lame. If you want to watch the band through a screen, better stay at home and watch some DVDs.

I can agree with that last point, but my point initially was just because someone is taking a picture doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the show and aren't enjoying it through their eyes (at least for the most part).

Might be a little off topic, but can Stevie Wonder enjoy concerts?

Yeah, I wonder how...

[gilpdawg]

I'm totally fine with it. Wish more bands did it.

Being told I can't check baseball scores during intermission and before the show is a bit too far though, and I told the guy so. Walking around like you're some kind of badass...go screw.

[rumborak]

I think most of us would have been fine with the ban during the actual concert. It's when the lights are fully on, people stand in the alleys talking to their friends, and you're being yelled at for using the phone.

[cramx3]

I think most of us would have been fine with the ban during the actual concert. It's when the lights are fully on, people stand in the alleys talking to their friends, and you're being yelled at for using the phone.

But I think that, like Bosk had said, is the venue's fault.  RCMH seemed fine with regards to pictures before the show, intermission, during the show (as long as you weren't in the seating area), and after.

Such as this beauty 

[kirksnosehair]

I think it's a good policy that has been needed for a very long time.  I'm really sick and tired of going to concerts and watching my favorite artists perform by hopefully catching a few glimpses of them in between the ocean of smartphones trying to video every moment of the show.  On average, people are selfish assholes.  That's why we can't have nice things.  Get off my lawn, etc.       


Seriously, though, the phone thing at concerts has gotten out of control and I think you're going to start seeing more and more bands and venues banning their use during the performances.


See, in my mind, that's the key "during the performances" - no flash photography or video taking.  Intermission or before and after the show, fire away.  I think that's an enforceable and fair policy.  Being militant about it and going all zero tolerance is just going to alienate fans, and probably end up having the opposite effect it's intended to have.


It's human nature - especially with younger people - the more you tell me I can't do something, the more I'm gonna do it, probably in your face.   Put a more cooperative spin on it, though, and it takes on a whole different flavor and feeling. 

[Dublagent66]

I thought we already covered this.... Not permitted mixed with prohibited equals Not Prohibited!  It is a new meaning up for interpretation

Ok, just for that, you are not prohibited to enter the forum.   

On average, people are selfish assholes.

Yes, they are and how can there ever be a policy to correct that?  Therefore, it is a ridiculous rule that can't be enforced to it's full extent.  Bands will just have to except that it's part of their job to deal with flash photography from the audience.

[El Barto]

I'm skipping several pages here, sorry, got real work to do, but a couple of observations. This is hardly the first time they have been hardassed about phones and cameras. A friend was bounced from a show in Houston for taking a picture four or five years ago. First offense, no warning. You'll have to leave, sir. This was a big topic of discussion on that tour thread, and JP's wife chimed in on the matter.

Actually after getting off the phone with John 5 minutes ago I stand corrected. He said this is something they just started and I told him fans were really upset about it and he said thanks he's glad I told him and that they will probably drop it. He didn't know that anyone was kicked out and is pretty upset about that too. My bad

Subsequently, they've been just as hardassed, and at this point far more so. Honestly seems like they're content to set a policy that encourages venues to be super-strict about it, and now we're blaming the venues for being super-strict about it.

[Chino]

I'm skipping several pages here, sorry, got real work to do, but a couple of observations. This is hardly the first time they have been hardassed about phones and cameras. A friend was bounced from a show in Houston for taking a picture four or five years ago. First offense, no warning. You'll have to leave, sir. This was a big topic of discussion on that tour thread, and JP's wife chimed in on the matter.

Actually after getting off the phone with John 5 minutes ago I stand corrected. He said this is something they just started and I told him fans were really upset about it and he said thanks he's glad I told him and that they will probably drop it. He didn't know that anyone was kicked out and is pretty upset about that too. My bad

Subsequently, they've been just as hardassed, and at this point far more so. Honestly seems like they're content to set a policy that encourages venues to be super-strict about it, and now we're blaming the venues for being super-strict about it.

Quoting myself from earlier..

I went to a concert last night at the same venue (Oakdale in CT) that I saw DT in last week. It was a sea of cellphones (and a fucking douche bag with an iPad pro four rows in front of me). The ushers' behavior was definitely DT's doing. Nothing whatsoever to do with the venue or their policies.

[YtseJam]

I thought we already covered this.... Not permitted mixed with prohibited equals Not Prohibited!  It is a new meaning up for interpretation

Ok, just for that, you are not prohibited to enter the forum.   

 

[RaiseTheKnife]

From the band's perspective I understand the policy.  I would be annoyed if a sea of people were watching me through their devices and not just watching the show with their own eyes.  Its like a digital wall, as if they are not engaged in what's actually taking place.  Enjoy the show instead of being an amateur cameraperson.  More importantly, if these videos didn't end up on the internet it might not be such a big deal.  It removes band's ability to control the dissemination of their own performances and dilutes the market for any official live release.

[King Postwhore]

I don't get when people tell others how to enjoy a show. Who says we are all videotaping the show. Most of us want a few pics. That's all

[RaiseTheKnife]

I don't get when people tell others how to enjoy a show. Who says we are all videotaping the show. Most of us want a few pics. That's all

Its pretty obvious when it ends up on the internet. And, as in most things, it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone.

[ThatcrazyKISSfan]

I really enjoyed it. It was nice to have everyone live in the moment. It was also nice to not have any phones blocking my view. And the photos/videos taken from the phone are never that good of quality anyway.