The "Lie" Appreciation Thread

ASacrificedSon · February 17, 2016, 04:56:06 PM

Well, what do you think of Lie?
Personally, I like it very very much and I find it one of the best "under 10 minutes" Dream Theater song, Dream Theater has created. This song has two exceptional guitar solo's and the guitar solo is like the main: "Hook, line, sinker."
The first guitar solo is epic, but once it goes to the end, it just blows me away. I find myself shaking a bit too uncontrollably after Lie's second solo.
What is your opinion on Lie?

chaossystem · February 17, 2016, 05:19:44 PM

It's probably my favorite DT "thrash" song, or the closest they've ever come to the Metallica sound, anyway. I don't know why it gets so little attention on the forum...

KevShmev · February 17, 2016, 05:36:44 PM

Quote from: chaossystem on February 17, 2016, 05:19:44 PM
I don't know why it gets so little attention on the forum...

Because Awake is filled with nothing but great songs, and as is often the case with albums that are awesome from start to finish, the least popular ones often get overlooked a touch. I think that is what happens here.

But yeah, great tune, one of DT's heaviest to date. Everything about it is great - main riff, chorus, solos, lyrics, Mirror reprise, etc.

chaossystem · February 17, 2016, 05:50:05 PM

I know this won't be a majority opinion, but I'm sure there are at least a few people around here who like this song more than CiaW, The Mirror or LSoaD.
I really don't care for any of those songs, and I think lie is at least close to being every bit as good as the rest of Awake.

Sir GuitarCozmo · February 17, 2016, 05:54:47 PM

Bitchin' tune, all the way around.

RJ86 · February 17, 2016, 06:08:32 PM

Quote from: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
Bitchin' tune, all the way around.

Yep.. Bitchin' tune, bitchin' album. My personal favorite DT album, still to this day. The only questionable song on the whole album was Innocence Faded. But, you know that part "Callow and Vain..." is coming up, and the anticipation make you forgive the almost "hair band" sound of the song

Seriously, though, I have to agree that it gets lost in the crowd of the nearly "perfect" album. I loved WDADU. Then cam I&W... I love the songs (most of them), but always felt like James was stretching to sing songs written for some one else. It was Awake that it felt like the band as a whole hit the ground running. By far and away their absolute best beginning to end. Every other album I can find songs I will skip over. But, as always, my personal opinion..

Volante99 · February 17, 2016, 06:16:07 PM

Passable metal song in my opinion and the lyrics leave a lot to be desired.

BUT, Petrucci saves the day with an outro solo that's so intense and shredtastic, it rivals anything that Dime or Friedman did at their best.

The tone is blistering and the fretboard sounds like it's about ready to catch fire.

SebastianPratesi · February 17, 2016, 07:08:39 PM

I first heard "Lie" late at night on MTV around 2007, when I had just become a fan. It was the first of the 90s songs by the band that I ever heard. Later, I listened to it on Greatest Hit. Didn't think much of it, although I really like the instrumental bit starting at 3:41.

Then, in 2014 I bought all of the 90s albums to get to know them better. That's how I finally heard the full version. I still don't enjoy the song much, though I like the reprise of "The Mirror" keyboard line towards the end.

From that album I prefer most other songs, particularly "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" (I like The Cure a lot, and this songs reminds me of their music).

CDrice · February 17, 2016, 07:21:32 PM

I'm not going to lie. While it's really not my favorite song from Awake, it's still a pretty good one.

ASacrificedSon · February 17, 2016, 07:24:58 PM

Yeah. Only some parts confuse me.

"Mother Mary quite contrary, kiss the boys.... I can still breathe."

"I wanna talk about your lifelong mistakes....stepfather I said so."

Yeah, the lyrics were pretty confusing.

pcs90 · February 17, 2016, 08:21:28 PM

The main keyboard melody sounds really cool just because of how weird it is, at least to me. And JP plays some great stuff.
Lyrically it's a bit odd as mentioned, but that's ok.

ReaPsTA · February 17, 2016, 08:28:53 PM

Quote from: ASacrificedSon on February 17, 2016, 07:24:58 PM
Yeah. Only some parts confuse me.

"Mother Mary quite contrary, kiss the boys.... I can still breathe."

"I wanna talk about your lifelong mistakes....stepfather I said so."

Yeah, the lyrics were pretty confusing.

They seem to be quite clearly about a profoundly shitty relationship. The last line is an artful way of telling a woman she has daddy issues, one of the nuclear weapons of insult if you mean it seriously.

Bertielee · February 18, 2016, 03:15:58 AM

F****** love it! Probably my fave off Awake. The Mirror reprise just before the solo (and that solo!) kills me every time.

B.Lee

lordnafaryus · February 18, 2016, 03:16:11 AM

Quote from: SebastianPratesi on February 17, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
From that album I prefer most other songs, particularly "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" (I like The Cure a lot, and this songs reminds me of their music).

Omg, I hadn't actually picked up on that, but you are right, LSoaD has just the right atmosphere for a Cure album. Love The Cure...

Lie is a stunning track, worthy of high praise. It's placement toward the end of the album means it may get slightly overlooked due to some of the gems earlier in the disc, and it follows the already heavy The Mirror and precedes the epic Scarred and the acquired taste classic Space-Dye Vest, as well as the track above..... There is a lot of competition on that album. If they'd rolled it over and put it on 'Falling Into Infinity' it might have a much higher profile, but why take anything away from 'Awake'?

Bertielee · February 18, 2016, 03:18:05 AM

Quote from: lordnafaryus on February 18, 2016, 03:16:11 AM
Quote from: SebastianPratesi on February 17, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
From that album I prefer most other songs, particularly "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" (I like The Cure a lot, and this songs reminds me of their music).

Omg, I hadn't actually picked up on that, but you are right, LSoaD has just the right atmosphere for a Cure album. Love The Cure...

Lie is a stunning track, worthy of high praise. It's placement toward the end of the album means it may get slightly overlooked due to some of the gems earlier in the disc, and it follows the already heavy The Mirror and precedes the epic Scarred and the acquired taste classic Space-Dye Vest, as well as the track above..... There is a lot of competition on that album. If they'd rolled it over and put it on 'Falling Into Infinity' it might have a much higher profile, but why take anything away from 'Awake'?

I love you now (not as much as i love Awake but still....)!

B.Lee

Dream Team · February 18, 2016, 06:07:15 AM

Quote from: Volante99 on February 17, 2016, 06:16:07 PM
Passable metal song in my opinion and the lyrics leave a lot to be desired.

BUT, Petrucci saves the day with an outro solo that's so intense and shredtastic, it rivals anything that Dime or Friedman did at their best.

The tone is blistering and the fretboard sounds like it's about ready to catch fire.

Yeah. HATE the keyboards on this one.

bosk1 · February 18, 2016, 07:36:06 AM

Great song.

Podaar · February 18, 2016, 07:42:06 AM

I'm surprised there wasn't already a thread for this song? Because it's fantastic!

Zook · February 18, 2016, 08:05:42 AM

Lie is awesome. Just a great metal song. Gotta love the video with them cool shades as well.

Scorpion · February 18, 2016, 09:44:22 AM

That outro solo is one of Petrucci's best, and all in all it's just an amazing song.

Damn, I really have to listen to Awake again.

ASacrificedSon · February 18, 2016, 09:47:14 AM

Quote from: Zook on February 18, 2016, 08:05:42 AM
Lie is awesome. Just a great metal song. Gotta love the video with them cool shades as well.

Definitely. Labrie is so bad ass

Hanz Gruber · February 18, 2016, 10:34:35 AM

Quote from: ASacrificedSon on February 17, 2016, 04:56:06 PM
Well, what do you think of Lie?
Personally, I like it very very much and I find it one of the best "under 10 minutes" Dream Theater song, Dream Theater has created. This song has two exceptional guitar solo's and the guitar solo is like the main: "Hook, line, sinker."
The first guitar solo is epic, but once it goes to the end, it just blows me away. I find myself shaking a bit too uncontrollably after Lie's second solo.
What is your opinion on Lie?

I love it.

It was the song that got me into Dream Theater back in 94 when it was a single. I heard it on the radio back in the day when it was released and thought that it sounded pretty awesome. For some reason JLB reminded me a little of Bruce Dickinson. The DJ didn't announce who the band was so I didn;t know who it was. I remember thinking "of course the DJ didn't announce the band...typical" because I really wanted to know who they were.

A week later I heard it again and they actually mentioned the name of the band this time. I had my mom take me to the Record store and I bought my first Dream Theater CD (Awake)

I played the CD loudly in the house and my dad came home during Scarred and thought it sounded good. He became a fan also. His favorite band is Yes.

A few weeks later when I bought Images and Words I realized that I had heard part of Pull Me Under before.

hefdaddy42 · February 18, 2016, 10:58:38 AM

It's a really, really good song.

However, I don't normally think of it that way because it is on Awake, which is a stellar album filled with songs that I like even better than Lie.

ReaPsTA · February 18, 2016, 12:05:09 PM

Quote from: Zook on February 18, 2016, 08:05:42 AM
Lie is awesome. Just a great metal song. Gotta love the video with them cool shades as well.

Probably the best DT video. JP playing the solo on a moving car is so rad.

Dublagent66 · February 18, 2016, 01:06:27 PM

Lie is great. Awake is great. The good ole days were actually great.

bosk1 · February 18, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Yes. But so are the good new days.

PixelDream · February 18, 2016, 01:29:19 PM

'Lie' is excellent, along with every other song on Awake. It's even better when you're entering the track coming from that heavy half-time outro of 'The Mirror'. That transition gets me pumped every time.

CharlesPL · April 11, 2016, 06:29:22 PM

Probably my favorite track from this record along with Scarred.

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