DT14 speculation thread

[rumborak]

Not super thrilled either, yeah. My cynical side thinks this is gonna push JMX entirely off the next record.

[Enigmachine]

Fuck.

That ONE sound that all 8 strings have. They're basically a 7 string but with a string that ONLY goes DUNGA GUNGA GUNGA GUNGA DUNGA.

Fucks sake. I hate them.

Well, I don't think JP will use it like that. Look at Haken or Animals as Leaders, they use the 8 string very well. JP will probably use it in a similar manner.

[bosk1]

Not super thrilled either, yeah.

Well, yeah, but when was the last time you liked ANYTHING?

[gzarruk]

Not super thrilled either, yeah.

Well, yeah, but when was the last time you liked ANYTHING?

I predict an early 2018 release or if they end touring in August and enter in the studio immediately after, it could be possible a late 2017 release (but I doubt it).

On the Myung interview posted on the other thread, he said the current tour will probably last untill the end of the year, and they will start working on the next record in 2018, so I think it'll be a september-ish release for next year 

[rumborak]

Not super thrilled either, yeah.

Well, yeah, but when was the last time you liked ANYTHING?

I actually like a lot of things!!

Seriously though, I come across as a party pooper here on DTF, it's just that I still enjoy old DT just not where they are these days. Does that mean I shouldn't be on DTF? As I have said many times, if it were any other band I seriously wouldn't care, but it's the potential of DT that I feel is passed by with late albums that drives me nuts. And while I know I somewhat stand out on here, when you look at YouTube comments, I feel I'm part of a sizable (but otherwise quiet) group.

And just to point this out, I'm not a perennial naysayer. I really liked ADTOE, I thought it was the beginning of a new DT. I was also totally behind MM, initially. And I really liked the first LMR, and also can't wait until JP releases his second solo album.

[erwinrafael]

TA sounded miles better than DT12, that's for sure. Much more open, the drums sounded better, just about everything really.

Not the bass, unfortunately 

DT12 has audible bass, but the tone is pretty damn awful. I'll take TA bass over DT12 any day.

I think DT12 is one of the DT albums with the best bass tone... and I'm a bassist 
TA barely has audible bass 

It is audible to me, but I understand that they mixed it in such a way that it (and all the other instruments actually) blends seamlessly with the orchestral layers in the music.

[Adami]

Not super thrilled either, yeah. My cynical side thinks this is gonna push JMX entirely off the next record.

I just imagine Myung walking into the studio today and seeing Petrucci playing a 9 string and finally getting the message.

[rumborak]

I was thinking today, how much do they overlap? JP's guitar would now go down to a F#1, which is only a note higher than a regular bass E1. But, JMX plays a 6-string, so he goes down to a B0.

For what it's worth, it will be interesting what JP can get out of an 8-string. Usually people play djent-y stuff.

[Bertielee]

I was thinking today, how much do they overlap? JP's guitar would now go down to a F#1, which is only a note higher than a regular bass E1. But, JMX plays a 6-string, so he goes down to a B0.

Or JMX can invest in a 7-string bass.

[Renzo]

Or maybe JMX could go full Cliff Burton and treat his bass as a lead guitar.

That would be awesome.. 

[Evai]

He did. But JP gave him a stern look back in '93, and so JMX never played 'lead bass' again

[Adami]

JM has the moog pedal stuff. He doesn't really need his bass to be able to handle the octave lower of everything anymore.

He can use the moog for the low lows, and can use his bass as another.......you know.....instrument that serves more than one purpose.

[Herrick]

Hmm...an 8-string. Could be good or bad. I'll wait until I hear to pass judgement.

What kind of 8-string would Petrucci play?

[Adami]

Hmm...an 8-string. Could be good or bad. I'll wait until I hear to pass judgement.

What kind of 8-string would Petrucci play?

A custom one.

[noxon]

I think we'll see a 8 string majesty in connection with the new album...

[Kotowboy]

Hmm...an 8-string. Could be good or bad. I'll wait until I hear to pass judgement.

What kind of 8-string would Petrucci play?

A MAJESTIC one.

FTFY

[erwinrafael]

Or maybe JMX could go full Cliff Burton and treat his bass as a lead guitar.

That would be awesome.. 

That would not be JMX. That would be asking him to be Chris Squire.

[Adami]

He used to play lead all the time before taking much more of a backseat.

When you ask him about the best times, he always refers to the earlier days.

I get that you really love it when the bass is blended in the background, but not all of us like it like that, and it's not necessarily safe to assume that JM is 100% on board with it being that way.

[erwinrafael]

When I think of JMX playing lead bass, I think of WDADU.

When I think of JMX taking too much of a backseat, I think BC&SL.

When I thibk if JMX hitting the perfect balance, I think FII.

Something like FII bass playing would be perfect.

[Adami]

I totally agree with all of that. But as far as backseat goes, I would also add TA to that list as well. He serves his purpose well, but his purpose is to take a backseat.

On FII he had plenty of lead like moments, which I wish he would do more often.


I guess he did it to a small extent in parts of DT12, but his tone was just awful (in my opinion) and it just became distorted noise to me. So if he gets a great thick clean tone again that isn't too bassy or distorted, and does FII style playing....yesssssss.

[LCArenas]

Almost seven years and this hasn't happened yet

Sucking on His Pipe/Distinguished Accent

1. Sucking On His Pipe [57:49]

MP - Flutes
JP - Piccolo/Tin whistle
JR - Tin whistle/Bagpipes
JM - Kazoo/Shakuhachi
JLB - Random vocalisations and recorder

An improvised jam where the band ditch the rock instruments in favour of pipes, with James LaBrie butting in with random passages spoken in a distinguished accent.

[erwinrafael]

The case with TA is that everybody reined in their playing in that album to let the music especially the orchestral arrangements shine. It's a different case from BC&SL because that album has tons of space where JMX could do more. In TA, playing more would most likely sound out of place.

[Adami]

The case with TA is that everybody reined in their playing in that album to let the music especially the orchestral arrangements shine. It's a different case from BC&SL because that album has tons of space where JMX could do more. In TA, playing more would most likely sound out of place.

I'll just disagree. I think it COULD sound out of place if done incorrectly. JM, however, is generally really tasteful.

Give him a fretless bass and complete freedom and I think he could have added a lot to TA while also knowing when not to.

[LCArenas]

Give him a fretless bass and complete freedom and I think he could have added a lot to TA while also knowing when not to.

Is there an actual album when they've given him complete freedom? I&W maybe?

[Adami]

Give him a fretless bass and complete freedom and I think he could have added a lot to TA while also knowing when not to.

Is there an actual album when they've given him complete freedom? I&W maybe?

WD&DU. They reigned him in on I&W but he had considerable freedom.

[jakepriest]

Give him a fretless bass

Please no. I hate the sound of a fretless electric bass.

[Adami]

Give him a fretless bass

Please no. I hate the sound of a fretless electric bass.

I literally just ordered one online a few hours ago.

[TAC]

Give him a fretless bass

Please no. I hate the sound of a fretless electric bass.

I literally just ordered one online a few hours ago.

Eh, I wouldn't fret.

[rumborak]

Has he ever played fretless? I know he hasn't on an album, but maybe on Jellyjam?

[jonny108]

Has he ever played fretless? I know he hasn't on an album, but maybe on Jellyjam?

Peruvian Skies...maybe some others I'm forgetting but that sticks out. 

Edit: Also Through Her Eyes        Edit 2: Ninja'd

[Adami]

Has he ever played fretless? I know he hasn't on an album, but maybe on Jellyjam?

He did on SFAM. Through Her Eyes I believe. Live too.

[erwinrafael]

Give him a fretless bass and complete freedom and I think he could have added a lot to TA while also knowing when not to.

Is there an actual album when they've given him complete freedom? I&W maybe?

WD&DU. They reigned him in on I&W but he had considerable freedom.

And that worked out perfectly. In a band where evertbody's playing called attention to itself, even the drums, they needed that glue to keep the music together.

That album run from Awake to SFAM is flawless bass playing, with FII as the pinnacle.

[Adami]

We agree!

-high five-

[Kotowboy]

Has he only ever played the Chapman Stick on one song on one album ?

Kinda bizarre that in 13 albums he's only played it once ?

[Art]

That album run from Awake to SFAM is flawless bass playing, with FII as the pinnacle.

Yes. SDOIT still has some cool moments, but since then the bass has gone completely to the background.