Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)

[lightbug]

My calculations based on the piechart...



this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure


Edit: the duration of act1 is obviously wrong

[Enigmachine]

My calculations based on the piechart...

*snip*

this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure

Act I is a double album on its own (85 minutes!) for one. I think noxon's pie chart was based on rough percentages or something to prevent a fully produced list of lengths, though it still gives us a good idea of the overall distribution of the album, with no real epic and a larger collection of smaller songs.

[Crow]

yeah the runtime for Act 1 is actually physically impossible to fit on a single disc so either Act 1 and Act 2 aren't just Disc 1 and Disc 2 (unlikely) or something's up.

I have to wonder if we're just being trolled.

[sdfdsv]

My calculations based on the piechart...



this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure


Edit: the duration of act1 is obviously wrong

does this match the standard deviation given by noxon? I'm too lazy to calculate...

The stdev is 1:42.

[Krissi91]

Really nice idea with the pie chart

So when do song snippets on Amazon or iTunes usually appear? Or do you think that they won't put them up before the release date?

I always intend to not listen to any snippets of an album beforehand, but in the end I'm never able to resist once something is available

[Pax]

If you guys want to measure on your own:

you don't need to measure the angles directly, there is a more simple way to measure them:

- measure the radius of the circle, let's call it r
- measure the distance between end points of the song you want on the chart, let's call it x, those points have to be on the edge of the circle

You will get the angle A by the following formula: A = 2*arcsin(x/2r)

When you get the angle, multiply it by 22.16, like EraVulgaris said (I got values from 22.1 to 22.2, due to the uncertainity (which is about 0,5%)), and you will get the length of the song in seconds.

[RMGadelha]

Damn, I hate maths so much but I'm enjoying reading this, lol.

[RoeDent]

Either way, it's looking increasingly likely that this will be the first DT album not to have a 10-minute+ track since their debut, WDADU, near-enough 27 years ago.

[Pax]

Lightbug gave us an approximation, however, it has errors (due to the big uncertainity in measurements), since he wasn't going too deep into it, the guy probably has life, unlike some of us xD

More precise track length list coming from me in 20 mins, I hope

[Thematt202]

I fucking love you guys!

[EraVulgaris]

Are you a math or science teacher by chance?

I'm in engineering, but the math is actually not that difficult here, it's just some geometry and cross multiplication.  Pax method is actually even better because it's probably more accurate to measure distances than it is to measure angles.

[Lucien]

My calculations based on the piechart...



this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure


Edit: the duration of act1 is obviously wrong

[Pax]

Act I    1:20:58

1.   "Descent of the NOMACS"      1:11
2.   "Dystopian Overture"      4:52
3.   "The Gift of Music"     4:08
4.   "The Answer"      1:56
5.   "A Better Life"      4:40
6.   "Lord Nafaryus"     3:33
7.   "A Savior in the Square"  4:19   
8.   "When Your Time Has Come"      4:20
9.   "Act of Faythe"      5:04
10.   "Three Days"      3:51
11.   "The Hovering Sojourn"      0:27
12.   "Brother, Can You Hear Me?"     5:16
13.   "A Life Left Behind"      5:53
14.   "Ravenskill"      6:08
15.   "Chosen"      4:37
16.   "A Tempting Offer"      4:17
17.   "Digital Discord"      0:51
18.   "The X Aspect"      4:14
19.   "A New Beginning"     7:51
20.   "The Road to Revolution"  3:42   


Act II     52:08

1.   "2285 Entr'acte"      2:22
2.   "Moment of Betrayal"     6:13
3.   "Heaven's Cove"      4:26
4.   "Begin Again"      4:00
5.   "The Path That Divides"      5:11
6.   "Machine Chatter"      1:02
7.   "The Walking Shadow"     2:58
8.   "My Last Farewell"      3:49
9.   "Losing Faythe"      4:18
10.   "Whispers on the Wind"     1:37
11.   "Hymn of a Thousand Voices"     3:42
12.   "Our New World"      4:18
13.   "Power Down"      1:29
14.   "Astonishing"  5:55

[Lucien]

First album with no song longer than 8 minutes?

[Pax]

Yeah, seems like no song longer than 8 mins

anyways:

Based on the STD Noxon revealed, I calculated the following: there will be about 24 songs in the following interval: 2:00 and 5:30. The remaining 10 songs will be longer or shorter than that interval. Also, there might be one song shorter than 30 seconds, as well as one song longer than 7:30 (the longest on the album)
This is only an approximation, but it shouldn't be very far from the truth

There are 22 songs between 2:00 and 5:30 (and I predicted 24). One song is shorter than 30 s, one song is longer than 7:30. This fits the standard deviation noxon gave us with very accurate precision.

Also, album length matches noxon's if we say TGoM is the third song on the chart. And NOMAC tracks are the shortest ones indeed. I think we can pretty much say this is it, we got the tracklist with the lengths.
Special thanks to all the guys who helped decipher the noxon code. Our work here is done.

[ariich]

Pax, Act I still doesn't quite fit on a CD that way.

I suspect noxon messed around with the track order a bit.

[lightbug]

I didn't know how to sum the column with the data, so I measured the act 1 angle ( so lazy), and did the math. Obviously wrong 

[Pax]

lightbug, that's not a bad way, but you get higher error by doing that. But I guess you didn't have the nerves to sit for 40 mins to measure and calculate
thanks for your data anyways

Pax, Act I still doesn't quite fit on a CD that way.

I suspect noxon messed around with the track order a bit.

Disc 1 should be 78 mins at max, right? In that case, I got the error about 4%, and you get error that high because of the accumulation of 20 single uncertainities from all the tracks on the act I, so it's still pretty reasonable. And I don't think he messed the track order, because, as I said, NOMAC songs are the shortest ones on the album. If he messed the order, that wouldn't be the case (I mean, it could, but the probability for that is extremely low).

EDIT: I forgot I didn't add up the songs to calculate act length, I measured the angle for the acts as well. That being said, 4% is a decent error :/
Still, I think it's just the experimental error.

[Crow]

i just really feel like they'd split the discs a little more evenly, but

[RMGadelha]

i just really feel like they'd split the discs a little more evenly, but

But... ? Don't trigger my inexistent OCD! 

[Crow]

oh that's just a thing i do a lot and i will never stop doing, i know it bothers a lot of people but

[ariich]

[King Postwhore]

 

[EraVulgaris]

 

[thosava]

 

[RMGadelha]

 

[CodyWanKenobi]

 

[Crow]

 

[Pax]

C-C-C-Combo breaker

OT :
I no longer guarantee my song order is the real one (because of the damn max album length lol),  but I do guarantee that the lengths are pretty accurate (i.e. the longest song is around 7:51, etc). I'm sure about that, at least

EDIT: hey, how comes 78 min is the max length for CD? I cannot find that information anywhere on the Internet

[ResultsMayVary]

C-C-C-Combo breaker

[GasparXR]

LOL, that was a great spontaneous moment.

[thosava]

C-C-C-Combo breaker

OT :
I no longer guarantee my song order is the real one (because of the damn max album length lol),  but I do guarantee that the lengths are pretty accurate (i.e. the longest song is around 7:51, etc). I'm sure about that, at least

EDIT: hey, how comes 78 min is the max length for CD? I cannot find that information anywhere on the Internet

Your estimate is only 3 minutes longer than the max length though. Couldn't that just be the margin of error, or are you certain that your estimate is more accurate than that?

[Darkstarshades]

If they wrote the album with the idea of making it double, then it must be a first in DT history.
As far as I know, before DT12, they had never planned album lenghts, they just worked until they could do no more. On DT12 they made it (relatively) short on purpose, so I can assume that they aimed at making this huge double-cd opus. With this, we can get to the conclusion that Act I and II indeed represent CD1  and CD2 respectively (The presence of Overtures on each of them confirm this).

Vulgaris and Pax's math seems to be extremely accurate, and even if Noxon had indeed messed with the values, that doesn't change the product, the order doesn't affect the result, you'll still find out that no song exceeds 10 mins, or so it seems.

Awesome work guys, thanks.

[RaasMah]

I have a question for you guys. How known is David Campbell? They said in the interview hes very big, but Im pretty sure they would have say that about anyone they worked with, and thats understandable, that being a promotional article. I havent head of him, but my knowledge of music is really thin outside the DT world. So really, is he a big name in the music industry?

[ToT-147]

hey, how comes 78 min is the max length for CD? I cannot find that information anywhere on the Internet

Because is not 78, but 80..

From Wikipedia: "Compact disc's capacity: typically up to 700 MiB (up to 80 minutes audio)"