The "Presents" is probably gonna stick Kotowboy, I think the final release will say "Dream Theater Presents The Astonishing".
Were we meant to know that certain page (from the band) that offers among other things a partial tracklist?Yes.
Were we meant to know that certain page (from the band) that offers among other things a partial tracklist?
Were we meant to know that certain page (from the band) that offers among other things a partial tracklist?
This. Were we meant to even see that page ?
I wonder if we would even know the title at this point if it wasn't leaked. I get the not discussing leaked music but artwork and other information seems fair game to me. It's an ambitious marketing campaign and I'm super excited it about but I hope the marketing folks at RR realize it's almost 2015 and once something hits the web it goes everywhere. As cool as this appears to be the only important thing in the end is the quality of the music. If the music sucks, which I'm sure it won't, then everything else is moot.
If I resist the temptation (not illegal temptations... there will be a single I assume, or a promo video) I want to do the same with The Astonishing as well. No single, no clips, just buying the album and listen to the first time from start to finish to the musical sci-fi / fantasy / dystopian / whateverwasintheirmind musical movie they created. I plan to go as far as not going through the booklet before I listen to the songs, wouldn't want to have my eye slip on the last song's ending lyrics and get spoiled, or something :D
It's gonna be a concept album.
And DT13's gonna be a blast. Mark my words.
I wonder if we would even know the title at this point if it wasn't leaked. I get the not discussing leaked music but artwork and other information seems fair game to me. It's an ambitious marketing campaign and I'm super excited it about but I hope the marketing folks at RR realize it's almost 2015 and once something hits the web it goes everywhere. As cool as this appears to be the only important thing in the end is the quality of the music. If the music sucks, which I'm sure it won't, then everything else is moot.
Were we meant to know that certain page (from the band) that offers among other things a partial tracklist?
This. Were we meant to even see that page ?
I will find out.
Lucien must be so happy now! ;D
^ How come ?
^ How come ?
I asked a few times in the other threads why we had like 5 separate threads about the same thing
.....I just don't understand.
I thought of something last night. I think it's likely that there will be a single, but what about a music video? Considering the lengths they're going through to immerse us in the story of this album, it would be awesome to have a music video featuring characters/settings/scenes from the story.
So I haven't posted anything about my opinion because I couldn't figure out which of the 8 threads I should post in but....
the term "rock opera" scares the shit out of me.
Concept album? Cool.
Rock opera? Ehhhh....isn't that what Nostradamus was?
I thought of something last night. I think it's likely that there will be a single, but what about a music video? Considering the lengths they're going through to immerse us in the story of this album, it would be awesome to have a music video featuring characters/settings/scenes from the story.
There are already two placeholders for videos at the Astonishing page... pretty sure if it won't be a video of a song, at the very least it will be something related to the story.So I haven't posted anything about my opinion because I couldn't figure out which of the 8 threads I should post in but....
the term "rock opera" scares the shit out of me.
Concept album? Cool.
Rock opera? Ehhhh....isn't that what Nostradamus was?
"Rock opera" is used in such a broad way that anything with a story and a couple of characters can, and usually is, labeled as a rock opera, so don't worry too much about it ;D
Also, I love Nostradamus, I would sign for DT to make an album (in their style of course) that I would enjoy as much as that one.
I am super excited! :caffeine:
I thought of something last night. I think it's likely that there will be a single, but what about a music video? Considering the lengths they're going through to immerse us in the story of this album, it would be awesome to have a music video featuring characters/settings/scenes from the story.
American Idiot was called a rock opera. That was basically just a story set to music.With songs very loosely related to the actual story
I'm all for the ridiculously fantastical, utterly insane sci/fi, preposterously obtuse, overly complicated stories so I have no worries about that aspect. :lol
Dream Theater's SFAM is a rock opera.
I feel (and fear) like this album could turn out like the last Ayreon record The Theory of Everything. The music is great and I love listening to the instrumental parts, but the lyrics are shallow at best and embarrasing at worst, it's really hard to ignore that while enjoying the music itself. I hope they really took their time with those lyrics.
I feel (and fear) like this album could turn out like the last Ayreon record The Theory of Everything. The music is great and I love listening to the instrumental parts, but the lyrics are shallow at best and embarrasing at worst, it's really hard to ignore that while enjoying the music itself. I hope they really took their time with those lyrics.
The problem with The Theory of Everything aren't the lyrics but subpar vocal melodies, but then again I never pay any attention to lyrics so I don't mind however cheesy they are.
Teacher:
I can’t believe… this can’t be true.
How could you know?
I’ve tried to solve this
For as long as I recall
Is this your work? Be honest now
How did you do it?
I’m not angry, boy
But I really need to know
Prodigy:
I’m sorry, sir, I can’t explain
It’s the way I’ve always been
You see, the numbers just appear
Before my eyes
Rival:
Don’t believe him, no! He is envious!
I’ve felt it from the start
In every class, I’ve always been the genius
And he just wants to be like me
Don’t let him deceive you
He’s nothing but a fake
A sad pretender
Trying to take my place
Don’t let him deceive you
He’s nothing but a fake
A sad pretender
A total waste of space
Girl:
Why do you torment him, are you jealous?
There must be a reason you’re so cruel
What have you got against him?
Does he scare you?
What did he ever do to you?
Rival:
Oh no, I can’t believe
You’re falling for this loser
Oh no, I thought you knew
That I am so much cooler!
am i the only one hoping the album is only like 90ish minutes between both discs
am i the only one hoping the album is only like 90ish minutes between both discs
Nope. I'm definitely hoping for shorter rather than longer.
If it just happened to end up being longer than a regular disc because they still had to finish off the concept, it's all good, as long as it wasn't a case of "USE ALL THE SPACE!"
i'm gonna give it a caution listen if they stream the full album but i'm not sure if i'd want to pay for 120+ minutes of prog metal concept cheese anyways, blah :lol
I feel (and fear) like this album could turn out like the last Ayreon record The Theory of Everything. The music is great and I love listening to the instrumental parts, but the lyrics are shallow at best and embarrasing at worst, it's really hard to ignore that while enjoying the music itself. I hope they really took their time with those lyrics.
The problem with The Theory of Everything aren't the lyrics but subpar vocal melodies, but then again I never pay any attention to lyrics so I don't mind however cheesy they are.QuoteTeacher:
I can’t believe… this can’t be true.
How could you know?
I’ve tried to solve this
For as long as I recall
Is this your work? Be honest now
How did you do it?
I’m not angry, boy
But I really need to know
Prodigy:
I’m sorry, sir, I can’t explain
It’s the way I’ve always been
You see, the numbers just appear
Before my eyes
Rival:
Don’t believe him, no! He is envious!
I’ve felt it from the start
In every class, I’ve always been the genius
And he just wants to be like me
Don’t let him deceive you
He’s nothing but a fake
A sad pretender
Trying to take my place
Don’t let him deceive you
He’s nothing but a fake
A sad pretender
A total waste of space
Girl:
Why do you torment him, are you jealous?
There must be a reason you’re so cruel
What have you got against him?
Does he scare you?
What did he ever do to you?
Rival:
Oh no, I can’t believe
You’re falling for this loser
Oh no, I thought you knew
That I am so much cooler!
;)
We'll see, though. I don't love the lyrics for SFAM either (don't care about the story at all), but can still listen to the music just fine.
If it just happened to end up being longer than a regular disc because they still had to finish off the concept, it's all good, as long as it wasn't a case of "USE ALL THE SPACE!"Even if it's two discs, which seems moderately likely right now, I'd be surprised if it was literally double-length, i.e. both discs filled. You never know though.
Rock opera is just a fancy way of dressing up the phrase "concept album," especially since the definition of a concept album has been expanded to now include albums that are merely thematic in nature. A rock opera is something that will tell a specific story (which is really just what a concept album should be).
There was definitely a definition that someone posted that made the distinction that in a rock opera, the lyrics are dialogue in a single story/narrative. Which makes sense.Rock opera is just a fancy way of dressing up the phrase "concept album," especially since the definition of a concept album has been expanded to now include albums that are merely thematic in nature. A rock opera is something that will tell a specific story (which is really just what a concept album should be).
Yeah. but as you said, concept album has now expanded its definition. Hand.Cannot. Erase, for example, is a concept album but it is not a rock opera. Maybe rock opera now refers specifically to albums with multiple characters speaking to each other.
For me is:I feel the same way, don't really get annoyed with it quickly. Lyrics pretty much the same, once you've listened to Seventh Wonder's Mercy Falls you will never complain about cheesy lyrics again.
- Songs
- Lyrics
- Production
While I appreciate a good sound, I'm kinda hearing impaired when it comes to these very articulate details I always see debated about the production, so I'm kinda happy to be "not educated" in this sense 'cause I can enjoy any album without killing myself over the sound :D I understand many people have the means to pay a proper attention to that, I'm just happy to not be one of them.
To me, "songs" and "lyrics" would be the same thing. The lyrics and vocals are as much part of the song as anything the guitar or any other instrument does.
To me, "songs" and "lyrics" would be the same thing. The lyrics and vocals are as much part of the song as anything the guitar or any other instrument does.Agreed.
Hello everyone, a very special When Prog and Power Unite podcast went live this morning. It's called the November Music Mixer, and instead of being primarily music, it features all three contributors to the show talking about various musical topics.
On the docket for this debut mixer is the new album news and PR campaign from Dream Theater, who appear to be going all out on the new album and tour. We talk about the expected return to heavier material from Swedish band Pain of Salvation. We also discuss the recent appearance of Ghost B.C on The Late Show with Steven Colbert, as well as the latest album from Trivium, Silence in the Snow. Finally we went back to talk about the huge new album from Iron Maiden, and to discuss some bad concert experiences.
(does anyone else cringe when JL sings "dose of reality" in HTF)
king darius.the king cyrus.the king of kings. whats ur idea about the making persian scales and classical opera together?i say to it (high Astonishing Colossal)What?
kingshmegland
I've always loved and supported most everything DT has done. That being said, I'm a little apprehensive with this one. The theme, from what I've seen so far, seems to be a futuristic/sci-fi based story. Being a huge Sci-fi fan I'm afraid I might be a bit more critical of the story line and less tolerant of any cheese factors. Also, reading the first emails, it really on the surface reeks of a 2112-ish theme. I HOPE it only seems that way, and any similarities stop there and major comparisons can't be drawn. A couple of things that make me less apprehensive are the successes of SFAM and 6DOIT as DT theme driven albums. They've proven they can tell a story effectively. In the Sci-fi genre, I think it's a bit tougher. I would rather have a well done single concept album than a cheese filled double album. Here's to hoping my gut is wrong on this one. Cause if it IS... then we're gonna get something spectacular. I do also like the way RR seems to be marketing the work.
It's more dystopian than sci-fi.
I have a feeling that if you don't like cheese, you're not going to like TA. That said, if you embrace the cheese and go all-out nerd, it will probably be spectacular. Whatever the case, it's going to be different and memorable, which is cool.
Many people here seem to not find lyrics important at all, even to the point of "not even listening to them, so it doesn't even matter". I'm the opposite, I find lyrics to be super important. Which is one big reason I didn't like DT12 and BC&SL. Bad lyrics in music is like bad sound in a movie or video, no matter how good the rest is, it'll give me an overwhelming sense of amateurism.
I know that for me, it will really depend on the flavor of that cheese.I've always loved and supported most everything DT has done. That being said, I'm a little apprehensive with this one. The theme, from what I've seen so far, seems to be a futuristic/sci-fi based story. Being a huge Sci-fi fan I'm afraid I might be a bit more critical of the story line and less tolerant of any cheese factors. Also, reading the first emails, it really on the surface reeks of a 2112-ish theme. I HOPE it only seems that way, and any similarities stop there and major comparisons can't be drawn. A couple of things that make me less apprehensive are the successes of SFAM and 6DOIT as DT theme driven albums. They've proven they can tell a story effectively. In the Sci-fi genre, I think it's a bit tougher. I would rather have a well done single concept album than a cheese filled double album. Here's to hoping my gut is wrong on this one. Cause if it IS... then we're gonna get something spectacular. I do also like the way RR seems to be marketing the work.
I have a feeling that if you don't like cheese, you're not going to like TA. That said, if you embrace the cheese and go all-out nerd, it will probably be spectacular. Whatever the case, it's going to be different and memorable, which is cool.
Off topic, but I find it interesting that so many posters here are predicting that TA will either be one of their best or worst efforts, with no potential middle ground seemingly. I don't understand this at all. It might be one of their most ambitious projects, sure, but what's to stop it from being middle-brow DT material if that so happens to be the case? I can totally believe that it may have some elements that work and others that don't. Point is, we have no way of knowing since we've heard zero actual material from the album. :cornYes, I don't get this either, I mean, especially for a DT album, where very rarely something is universally considered their best or their worst, maybe a few exceptions (think of I&W, WDADU SFAM, something like that).
What if this is the cover art for the new album, just without the "live"? I doubt it but could be...Yeah I've pondered that too.
What if this is the cover art for the new album, just without the "live"? I doubt it but could be...Yeah I've pondered that too.
also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
What if this is the cover art for the new album, just without the "live"? I doubt it but could be...
*snip*
also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
That cannot be. Here it is exactly 23:21 ;D
Your clock is 21 minutes fast like Dr. Emmett Brown.
I'm surprised that there has been little or no speculation about what the live presentation of this story is going to be.
I'm hoping that each of the two discs will be no more than about an hour long, so the live show will have room for about 30-40 minutes of music from some of their other albums as well.
What I would like to see them do is use a large projection screen to tell the story, along with one or two smaller screens that would mostly show the band as they are performing for people in the "cheap seats."
Also it wouldn't bother me if they open with two or three older songs before going into the story. Then they could play disc one, have an intermission, play disc two for the second set, and another 15 or 20 minutes of older songs for the encore.
Also it wouldn't bother me if they open with two or three older songs before going into the story.
Although - some times an album can fail on all counts and still be somewhat enjoyable.
St. Anger has terrible songs, production and lyrics but I still enjoy it somewhat :p
also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
Just wish whoever did the clever satire to the middle section of BoRhap would repost it. Sadly, I saved the link to show the wife (which, obviously, no longer works) instead of copying it.I'm assuming you are talking about my off the cuff post. Didn't write it down anywhere, so I'll do my best to recreate.
Thanks in advance.
[the wife works fine]
Exactly. I mean, taking it a step even further, why not just say "I don't want DT to put out any more music for fear that it's gonna suck"? I mean that's just silly, and stating "I don't want a double album just because some of the material will probably suck" is essentially the same thing.Amen, brother.also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
As with The Book Of Souls, I'm thinking if they cut song X and Song Y, they could've made a single CD, but of course that is always met with "No way bro, Song X and Song Y are awesome!" :lol
Me and Timmy agree once again. Guarantee that this won't happen. If it were to have ever happened, then it would've made much more sense for DT to open up their shows with Metropolis part I before performing all of SFaM, and yet even that didn't happen. Makes no sense that they'd perform a few older songs before doing the whole new album, especially if it's a double album.Also it wouldn't bother me if they open with two or three older songs before going into the story.There is absolutely no way this happens.
I'm surprised that there has been little or no speculation about what the live presentation of this story is going to be.There's been a little talk about it, but mostly just the length - whether the whole story will be the first set or both sets. I'm of the feeling that it'll be a double album (as in 2 CDs) so set 1 will be the first CD and set 2 will be the second CD, with an encore of one or a few older tracks.
Many people here seem to not find lyrics important at all, even to the point of "not even listening to them, so it doesn't even matter". I'm the opposite, I find lyrics to be super important. Which is one big reason I didn't like DT12 and BC&SL. Bad lyrics in music is like bad sound in a movie or video, no matter how good the rest is, it'll give me an overwhelming sense of amateurism.
If lyrics are super important to you, why are you a fan of DT? That hasn't been their strong suit since Kevin Moore left. The last two albums aren't any worse than their previous efforts, IMO.
Hard to say what the actual presentation will be like without having anything to go by. I can imagine that there will be various video clips that will help explain the story and that the stage will be more unique with more props. Maybe there'll be some actors as well. But whatever the case, I hope they don't end up doing something as cheesy/silly/ridiculous as Styx did for the tour supporting Kilroy Was Here or what QR did when they performed both Operation: Mindcrime albums in 2006.
I also hope, as far as song lengths go, that we get a few in that 12-15 minute range that only a few DT songs land in, something more along the lengths of ITNOG and TMOLS, or perhaps even longer than that. There's really nothing that DT has done that lands in the 17-18 minute range, but that's just being nit-picky, but we did get ANTR and TCOT, and they're around that space.
but I don't see James walking around the stage with a to-the-mouth mic (how are called those?)
Hard to say what the actual presentation will be like without having anything to go by. I can imagine that there will be various video clips that will help explain the story and that the stage will be more unique with more props. Maybe there'll be some actors as well. But whatever the case, I hope they don't end up doing something as cheesy/silly/ridiculous as Styx did for the tour supporting Kilroy Was Here or what QR did when they performed both Operation: Mindcrime albums in 2006.
but I don't see James walking around the stage with a to-the-mouth mic (how are called those?)
Headset mic. :smiley: While he didn't walk around with one, he did use one during Regression on LSFNY, if I remember right.
I realize this is going on a limb a bit here...
Since I haven't seen emails and such, I've been worried that this double "concept" album is something along the lines of 6DOIT. Not to say that 6DOIT is a bad album, but essentially it's a double album with a single disc being the concept and a single disc of non concept songs. I'm hoping one of you can confirm that this is indeed a double disc of concept material. Ya know, two discs, one story? From all I've read on here so far, that is the case, but can you link me to where that's confirmed?
I realize this is going on a limb a bit here...
Since I haven't seen emails and such, I've been worried that this double "concept" album is something along the lines of 6DOIT. Not to say that 6DOIT is a bad album, but essentially it's a double album with a single disc being the concept and a single disc of non concept songs. I'm hoping one of you can confirm that this is indeed a double disc of concept material. Ya know, two discs, one story? From all I've read on here so far, that is the case, but can you link me to where that's confirmed?
also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling music
What I wonder is that, if it turns out to be a double album with ~60 minutes of music per disc, the 180 vinyl is probably going to be a 5LP set, and that is going to be quite pricey, going with what DT LPs usually cost (and I will obviously buy anyway :metal). I also wonder what kind of special editions the band are planning for this release.
What I wonder is that, if it turns out to be a double album with ~60 minutes of music per disc, the 180 vinyl is probably going to be a 5LP set, and that is going to be quite pricey, going with what DT LPs usually cost (and I will obviously buy anyway :metal). I also wonder what kind of special editions the band are planning for this release.
I'm sure 4 LPs will cover it. 4LPs=8 sides= the potential for 20 min per side=160 minutes worth of music...and I don't think it will be *that* long.
Not being a fan of sci-fi books I gotta say - the story sounds really dumb. Hopefully the music is good enough to stand on its own. I mean Emperor Nefaryous? That's almost as dumb as 'unobtanium'!
Can we post our own suggestions for artwork here ?
https://i.imgur.com/DVemmGk.jpg
^ I really want something along these lines. I love the colours and composition.
I don't hear it as open ended like " the Astonishing........."
I hear it as an event or Grand Occasion like " The Happening " or " The Ascension ".
Like the end of the story is when " The Astonishing " happens.
I don't hear it as open ended like " the Astonishing........."
I hear it as an event or Grand Occasion like " The Happening " or " The Ascension ".
Like the end of the story is when " The Astonishing " happens.
I don't hear it as open ended like " the Astonishing........."
I hear it as an event or Grand Occasion like " The Happening " or " The Ascension ".
Like the end of the story is when " The Astonishing " happens.
I think I remember having seen that explanation made four times now since the title was announced, myself being one of those who made it. People seem to be ignoring it. But yeah, that's obviously what it is.
Do you think that means there will be a song at or near the end called just The Astonishing? Or perhaps The Astonishing __________?Pretty sure he means he interprets the title as if it's an event, at least that's how I do, like The Happening.
I think it's entirely possible that there will be a title track.Yes it is.
okay a point was missed somewhere. I'd rather have 60 minutes of tightly-written music than 120 minutes of them throwing every single thing they wrote into a huge pile.Exactly. I mean, taking it a step even further, why not just say "I don't want DT to put out any more music for fear that it's gonna suck"? I mean that's just silly, and stating "I don't want a double album just because some of the material will probably suck" is essentially the same thing.Amen, brother.also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
As with The Book Of Souls, I'm thinking if they cut song X and Song Y, they could've made a single CD, but of course that is always met with "No way bro, Song X and Song Y are awesome!" :lol
Lyrics to me is like the icing on the Cake... fantastic icing and terrible cake will not be touched, fantastic cake and terrible icing will be consumed ignoring the icing but when both are fantastic that is where the real pleasure lies...
Let's hope for an astonishing cake with astonishing icing..... they can do it
Because it was deleted in the other thread, I'll go on record again that The Astonishing is a psychic power like "The Shining" that makes the Chosen One seem especially special among his people.Definitely plausible.
I think it's entirely possible that there will be a title track.Yes it is.
Not to say that 6DOIT is a bad album, but essentially it's a double album with a single disc being the concept and a single disc of non concept songs.No it's not. There is no concept component with that album.
I think it's entirely possible that there will be a title track.Yes it is.
You know what's pretty incredible about that? DT hasn't had a title song since 2005. And they only have two title songs in their whole discography.
okay a point was missed somewhere. I'd rather have 60 minutes of tightly-written music than 120 minutes of them throwing every single thing they wrote into a huge pile.Exactly. I mean, taking it a step even further, why not just say "I don't want DT to put out any more music for fear that it's gonna suck"? I mean that's just silly, and stating "I don't want a double album just because some of the material will probably suck" is essentially the same thing.Amen, brother.also a double album of middling music is way worse than a single disc of middling musicNot sure I agree with that. Whenever a favorite album or song thread comes up, it's amazing to see how many people express polar opposites about so many different albums/songs. So while some songs may be considered drivel by one part of the fanbase, another part may love it. Having more material to enjoy increases the amount of chance that something is going to click and be enjoyable to each person. Sure, it also means that there's more of a chance for someone to hate more songs, but I'd rather have more material to pick from than less. There's always the skip button if I don't like something.
As with The Book Of Souls, I'm thinking if they cut song X and Song Y, they could've made a single CD, but of course that is always met with "No way bro, Song X and Song Y are awesome!" :lol
then again, DT12 was an underwritten mess and it was shorter
now imagine a DT12 twice as long with the same consistent quality
i probably wouldn't have bought a double-length DT12
Let's continue to nit pick over a back story we know little about.
DT wanna play concept album! but the good concept or bad concept album. story about the emperors?it must be the ascension thing to us. but i think they want(DT) play the game with us. they look our post and say together(Laugh) fans talk about the future of astonishing.so we must w8 for realising album!
A Change of Seasons says hi...
A Change of Seasons says hi...
I was not counting that, since the EP is basically ACOS and some bonus cover songs. It's not properly an album. Wither isn't a title song either, despite the existence of the Wither EP.
Having title track or title song isn't something DT normally do anyway, and I believe "Octavarium" was the one exception to their usual album-naming rule. Most of the time, the album name comes from song lyrics (such as the first three albums and SFAM), or it comes from past ideas or titles that stem from the studio sessions (FII and TOT, kind of), or just describe the over-all feel and theme of the album (SDOIT, SC, BC&SL, and ADTOE).
If there's a title track this time around, it'll only be the second time they've had one, so it'd be neat
Having title track or title song isn't something DT normally do anyway, and I believe "Octavarium" was the one exception to their usual album-naming rule. Most of the time, the album name comes from song lyrics (such as the first three albums and SFAM), or it comes from past ideas or titles that stem from the studio sessions (FII and TOT, kind of), or just describe the over-all feel and theme of the album (SDOIT, SC, BC&SL, and ADTOE).
If there's a title track this time around, it'll only be the second time they've had one, so it'd be neat
It certainly isn't something they do often, but wouldn't 6DOIT count as being a title track as well as describing the album?
I will start to worry if the Collector's Edition comes with a 20 sided die.
in iran our calendar is persian. we are in 1394.and u r in 2015. iranian analyse the calendar from rounding the earth around the sun.
I will start to worry if the Collector's Edition comes with a 20 sided die.
I will start to cry tears of joy if the Collector's Edition comes with a 20 sided die.
With regards to the title... I think the problem many people have with it, is that it's not a noun. "Astonishing" in the dictionary is only described as an adjective. Whereas "The Happening" or "The Awakening" or countless of other verbs turned into nouns is described as such in the dictionary. "The Astonishing" sounds off, just like "The Amazing" or "The Spectactular" or "The Incredible" sounds off. You're anticipating a second word, because the object to which the description is to be attached to is missing. (And why is it that all of the examples i just made are like right out of the Marvel dictionary).Is it really only described as an adjective? And if so, in which dictionary? Because at the very least it should also be a verb - to astonish. Even Internet Explorer spellchecker knows that.
Is it really only described as an adjective? And if so, in which dictionary? Because at the very least it should also be a verb - to astonish. Even Internet Explorer spellchecker knows that.
And it it's a very, then it can be a noun, just like those others. The only reason they already appear as nouns in the dictionary is that they are already used in that context.
'We thought we were hopeless, but then the unbelievable happened.'
It's called 'substantivation of adjectives'.
Whole process for "the astonishing" is:
1. Present participle becomes adjective (adjectivation of participle)
2. Adjective becomes noun (substantivation of adjective)
'We thought we were hopeless, but then the unbelievable happened.'
It's called 'substantivation of adjectives'.
Whole process for "the astonishing" is:
1. Present participle becomes adjective (adjectivation of participle)
2. Adjective becomes noun (substantivation of adjective)
I will start to worry if the Collector's Edition comes with a 20 sided die.
:lol
I think it's good that it's not a common usage of the word, because that makes it unique to DT, rather than something generic like "the happening", or some other word that would be unoriginal and cliche. Given the expected importance of "The Astonishing" to the story, it's good that it will be unique.
It reminds me of Octavarium. Weird sounding word with some random unrelated origin beforehand, but how it's just second nature to us DT fans. I don't see the point about complaining about a name which we have no context for yet.
"The astonishing" is more akin to "The amazing" - it has no established use as a noun, and in fact, you would not say "the amazing" even if you can, you would say "the amazement".
Also, no need to get so defensive - I'm just describing a possible reason as to why people find the title hard to digest. I get what Dream Theater wants to accomplish with it, but I also get why people find it off-putting.Fair enough, I don't feel particularly defensive about DT's use of it or anything, but I interpreted your post as implying that it was incorrect because the word wasn't a noun, period. So apologies for that.
Well, there are 8 spots on the site. 1 spot has been revealed. The album will (according to the swedish venue) be released by the end of january. DT12 had its first single out aug 5 with a release of sept 23. ADTOE had its first single june 29th with a release of sept 12. BCSL had its first single out may 12th with the album being released june 23rd. SC had its first single apr 27 with the album out june 4th.
I love the title. Don't see why people have an issue with it
This is what DTF is. This is what we do. YA HURD!? :yarr
I've thought the title sounded cool from Day 1.
I've thought the title sounded cool from Day 1.
You hipster.
I've thought the title sounded cool from Day 1.
No matter what is said, The Astonishing will always be a better title than A Dramatic Turn of Events
Black Clouds and Silver Linings has to be their worst album title imo. Followed closely by ADToE.
Exactly. How do you know all the stuff that got trimmed from the self-titled album wasn't the stuff that would've clicked with you and made it one of your favorite DT albums? We'll never know, but given the chance to have more or less material, gimme more to pick from!okay a point was missed somewhere. I'd rather have 60 minutes of tightly-written music than 120 minutes of them throwing every single thing they wrote into a huge pile.That's it though, how do you know a double-length DT12 would have had the same consistent quality? Obviously talking about songwriting. Why assume that the quality would be consistent with completely new songs that you haven't heard before? If you don't like it now, if it were double length there's just as much chance that you'll find songs you might like more, as much as there's a chance you also won't like them right? I'm just not sure why you'd assume one way over the other.
then again, DT12 was an underwritten mess and it was shorter
now imagine a DT12 twice as long with the same consistent quality
i probably wouldn't have bought a double-length DT12
It reminds me of Octavarium. Weird sounding word with some random unrelated origin beforehand, but now it's just second nature to us DT fans. I don't see the point about complaining about a name which we have no context for yet.Well said and great comparison. Until we know what the story is about or what The Astonishing is or describes, I fail to understand why people are getting bent out of shape (aside from this being DTF).
Anyone else not consider Myung's lyrics all that great ?Well for me, I'm not a big fan of his lyrics. My opinion, so no flames please. I mean, with the exception of Fatal Tragedy, the lyrics are too.....deep I guess. I like more of Portnoy and Petrucci's lyrics. Lifting and tears are too deep for me. I dot really like the wording also. Learning to live is alright I guess, but it never stuck too me. My favorite songs aren't any written by Myung except Tragedy. I just enjoy more straightforward songs.
People are seriously bothered by the title?
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's fine.
People are seriously bothered by the title?
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's fine.
I mean I don't exactly have a problem with it, but I have to agree with the people who say it sounds unfinished. Like, The Astonishing _________ what?
People are seriously bothered by the title?
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's fine.
I mean I don't exactly have a problem with it, but I have to agree with the people who say it sounds unfinished. Like, The Astonishing _________ what?
Have you not read the thread ?
People are seriously bothered by the title?
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's fine.
I mean I don't exactly have a problem with it, but I have to agree with the people who say it sounds unfinished. Like, The Astonishing _________ what?
Have you not read the thread ?
I have, and I get the point, but it just doesn't make the title sound less unfinished to me
People are seriously bothered by the title?
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's fine.
I mean I don't exactly have a problem with it, but I have to agree with the people who say it sounds unfinished. Like, The Astonishing _________ what?
Have you not read the thread ?
I have, and I get the point, but it just doesn't make the title sound less unfinished to me
Oh yea - there are some new song titles up now.
Faythe? A new character?
Isn't just the super-arcaic way of spelling Faith? the mails sent from the Empire had some of those ancient-sounding words.
I wonder what the nomac symbol means next to the first and the last track!
Is it Lord Nafaryus or Emperor Nafaryus?
Faythe? A new character?Yes.
When were the first 5 song titles revealed ? October 26 ?
I thought it was just last week . . .When were the first 5 song titles revealed ? October 26 ?
Has it really been two weeks? It feels like less.
When were the first 5 song titles revealed ? October 26 ?
Has it really been two weeks? It feels like less.
There's that symbol again, next to "The Hovering Sojourn". Interesting titles.I believe we are calling that the NOMAC :)
There's that symbol again, next to "The Hovering Sojourn". Interesting titles.I believe we are calling that the NOMAC :)
I figured you did - sorry just being a smart-ass. Could it be that they are non-musical tracks as some have suggested?There's that symbol again, next to "The Hovering Sojourn". Interesting titles.I believe we are calling that the NOMAC :)
I'm aware of the name, I was more interested in the significance of these symbols being next to the first and last track on Act I.
you always could do that.
you always could do that.
Anyone think that the "eyes" might belong to the band ?No way any of those is Myung's. Ha Ha
Bottom left looks like it could be Jordan.
5 members plus Rich Chycki ? :P
Anyone think that the "eyes" might belong to the band ?
Bottom left looks like it could be Jordan.
5 members plus Rich Chycki ? :P
Anyone think that the "eyes" might belong to the band ?
Bottom left looks like it could be Jordan.
5 members plus Rich Chycki ? :P
They look a bit too feminine.
Anyone think that the "eyes" might belong to the band ?
Bottom left looks like it could be Jordan.
5 members plus Rich Chycki ? :P
Lord Nefaryus
This sounds like a mix between The Lord Of The Rings, Game Of Thrones, The Hunger Games, and Star Wars.For me its Hunger Games meets Fallout.
This sounds like a mix between The Lord Of The Rings, Game Of Thrones, The Hunger Games, and Star Wars.For me its Hunger Games meets Fallout.
mangini can't get for great and strange idea to dt better than MP. when i listen to ADTOE and 12th studio album.i get founding the special riffs.for EX:This Dying soul riffs that give the power and idea to dt for making concept album or other thing! when MP left the band. we can tell that the dt left the greatest drumms line/conceptual ethod/the astonishing melody/.so mangini work for dt as robot playing drumms.he only move his hands and legs. ofcourse he is very fast in drumms.but he plays drumms as playing the robot without mind. hey portnoy THE HEY DAY in dt is over after BC&SL. but we w8 for 13th album.iranian fan of dt around the world always vote to MP after he leaving the band too.Hail THE HEY DAYS :metal
Now I speculate the European The Astonishing shows will just be the album. Since 2 discs of 80 minutes = 2 hours 40 minutes. Even if the discs are only 60 -70 minutes each there'd probably be an intermission of 10-20 minutes between act 1 and 2.
Now I speculate the European The Astonishing shows will just be the album. Since 2 discs of 80 minutes = 2 hours 40 minutes. Even if the discs are only 60 -70 minutes each there'd probably be an intermission of 10-20 minutes between act 1 and 2.
Well, I wasn't supposed to reveal this, but since you are SO close, it doesn't really hurt at this point. According to information I have directly from the band, the live shows will consist of:
-The Astonishing: Act I
-intermission
-The Astonishing: Act II
-Encore: You Not Me; You Not Me II (Reprise)
mangini is a bit robotic but he knows his place in the band.
Some wild speculation about the storyline and how the songs may sound, with of course no assumption that I'm actually right:
1. Descent of the NOMACS - non musical intro, like I Remember Now for Mindcrime, or with minimal instruments like Regression.
2. Dystopian Overture - The true opening of the album, instrumental, just like Overture 1928.
3. The Gift of Music - First song with lyrics, anthemic and uplifting.
4. The Answer - More introspective song, after having discovered the gift of music they found the answer to... something.
5. A Better Life - Possible ballad, in Ravenskill they long for a better life.
6. Lord Nafaryus - Song of the bad guy, heavy and eerie.
7. A Savior in the Square - Back to the good guys, the chosen one shows up.
8. When Your Time Has Come - Another uplifting song, preparing the chosen one for whatever he has to do.
9. Act of Faythe - Balladish song about the female character.
10. Three Days - Well, this is kinda open to any interpretation, the chosen one has three days to get ready to spring into action or something.
11. The Hovering Sojourn - instrumental outro to the first disc.
Any thoughts as to what the NOMACS next to the first and last tracks of Act I mean?
Any thoughts as to what the NOMACS next to the first and last tracks of Act I mean?
NOMACS will be introduced as the evil minions of the empire in track 1; they will have been hacked by the rebels by the time the sojourner track rolls around, trumpeting smooth kenny g tunes.
"So yeah I heard they will be playing You Not Me II live for the first time"
"NO WAY, source?"
"Bosk said it man, it's totally true!"
Any thoughts as to what the NOMACS next to the first and last tracks of Act I mean?
-Encore: You Not Me; You Not Me II (Reprise)Will that be with the polka breakdown, the dubstep extended guitar solo, the extra verses about how it's not about you or me but about them, or will it be the black metal single edit?
Someone mentioned somewhere that it might be spoken tracks by these NOMACS, meaning they're not really seen as songs, just something to round up the concept, and as they're first and last on Act 1 it seems very plausible.Especially with "Dystopian Overture" being the second track, I could see a short, spoken track leading into a instrumental "overture" with "The Gift of Music" being the first with sung vocals.
Yes.-Encore: You Not Me; You Not Me II (Reprise)Will that be with the polka breakdown, the dubstep extended guitar solo, the extra verses about how it's not about you or me but about them, or will it be the black metal single edit?
So, the hypothesis that we'll have 10 songs on both acts based on the number of empty slots on the site has been disproven.
I'm a bit disappointed to see that many songs in the first act, it increases the chance we'll only have lots of short songs like in DT12
Hoping for three +10 min songs, is that too much to ask, DT?? :(
Now I speculate the European The Astonishing shows will just be the album. Since 2 discs of 80 minutes = 2 hours 40 minutes. Even if the discs are only 60 -70 minutes each there'd probably be an intermission of 10-20 minutes between act 1 and 2.
Well, I wasn't supposed to reveal this, but since you are SO close, it doesn't really hurt at this point. According to information I have directly from the band, the live shows will consist of:
-The Astonishing: Act I
-intermission
-The Astonishing: Act II
-Encore: You Not Me; You Not Me II (Reprise)
The encore will obviously be A Nightmare to Remember with extended ending jam. The song will last around 24 minutes.
With the Day after Day part being sung by JM, who will reveal his powerful demonic voice from beyond.
Stop complaining about complaining. :-*Hater.
ACT I
1. Descent of the NOMACS
2. Dystopian Overture
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in the Square
8. When Your Time Has Come
9. Act of Faythe
10. Three Days
11. The Hovering Sojourn
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Well, maybe when being looked at individually.
It makes sense in the context of the album.
Nothing wrong with it Blob..........you fairy ass ;D
What was the leaked material that prompted the new thread? I just wanna know so I wouldn't talk about it. Is it the artwork from the Italian DT fb page?
SPOILER ALERT: I had a dream last night; The first CD of The Astonishing contains 3 songs (8min, 8min , 15min) and the drums sounded amazing! :D And guess what..... The first song was On The Backs Of Angels with a different title.
SPOILER ALERT: I had a dream last night; The first CD of The Astonishing contains 3 songs (8min, 8min , 15min) and the drums sounded amazing! :D And guess what..... The first song was On The Backs Of Angels with a different title.
Not really a spoiler when we already know it isn't true :lol
-Encore: You Not Me; You Not Me II (Reprise)Will that be with the polka breakdown, the dubstep extended guitar solo, the extra verses about how it's not about you or me but about them, or will it be the black metal single edit?
SPOILER ALERT: I had a dream last night; The first CD of The Astonishing contains 3 songs (8min, 8min , 15min) and the drums sounded amazing! :D And guess what..... The first song was On The Backs Of Angels with a different title.
Not really a spoiler when we already know it isn't true :lol
I hope so :D
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Well, maybe when being looked at individually.
It makes sense in the context of the album.
And TCOT makes sense in context too. I'm just saying, there is now a DT song called Lord Nafaryus. Let it sink in. :lol
Almost as bad as the bad guys in a cartoon series being called the Decepticons.
Almost as bad as the bad guys in a cartoon series being called the Decepticons.
I would think that it's a little more understandable in a cartoon aimed at little kids to sell toys, than a veteran prog band's latest album concept, but nice dodge. :biggrin:
Almost as bad as the bad guys in a cartoon series being called the Decepticons.
I would think that it's a little more understandable in a cartoon aimed at little kids to sell toys, than a veteran prog band's latest album concept, but nice dodge. :biggrin:
Yeah, well, we haven't seen the merchandise lineup for this album cycle yet. If there isn't a Lord Nafaryus action figgerr I'll be shocked.
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Well, maybe when being looked at individually.
It makes sense in the context of the album.
And TCOT makes sense in context too. I'm just saying, there is now a DT song called Lord Nafaryus. Let it sink in. :lol
Almost as bad as the bad guys in a cartoon series being called the Decepticons.
We'll probably see it soon with the next official update anyway.Exactly, it's all going to be released eventually.
:hefdaddyWe'll probably see it soon with the next official update anyway.Exactly, it's all going to be released eventually.
I deleted a couple of posts in this thread. Given how clearly bosk said not be posting or discussing unauthorised info, how about we stop discussing unauthorised info? :P
Nah, we need something for you to do ;)I'll admit, I haven't banned anyone in a long time.
I'm thinking those song titles are just parts of a whole musical piece. Like Neal Morse's "?". If so, first act could be a 50 minutes piece of continuous music.Yeah, I've also got this feeling.
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
I'm thinking those song titles are just parts of a whole musical piece. Like Neal Morse's "?". If so, first act could be a 50 minutes piece of continuous music.
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Random thought of the day: I'm imagining this song as merely a cover of Metallica's Sanitarium.
Lord Nafaryus, leave me be.
Lord Nafaryus just leave me alone.
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
Random thought of the day: I'm imagining this song as merely a cover of Metallica's Sanitarium.
Lord Nafaryus, leave me be.
Lord Nafaryus just leave me alone.
HAHAHAHA awesome !
Or something like:
Lord Nafaryus within, I will fight for you
Lord Nafaryus of sin, now my soul is yours
Lord Nafaryus, my guide, I will die for you
Lord Nafaryus inside�
Lord Nafaryus, amen, I belong to you
Heil! Heil! Heil! Heil!
Heil! Heil! Heil! Heil!
Nah most likely a tribute to the band with the singer who only writes about his drug problem, Three Days Grace, good fit to DT for sure.
It's weird, being a DT fan, I don't remember if I've ever felt the sensation of getting a lot of new songs at same time.
I was kinda getting used to the "11 - 12" songs format with ADTOE and DT12. And by the time of 6DOIT ( a double album like The Ashtonishing) I wasn't that much into DT. I started to follow them like "move by move" when TOT came out.
SDOIT has 13 tracks :neverusethis:
Are they really going to have a song called Lord Nafaryus? This is TCOT level stuff here.
AWWWW YEAH, Nafaryus gets his own track!!!
I can only hope "Lord Nafaryus" is an instrumental...
Lord Nafaryus,
your deeds are precarious,
Lord Nafaryus,
you were born an Aquarius. Aquarius, Aquarius!!
Lord Nafaryus. He's Hilarious. Born inside the Aquarius.
Something funny going on.
Hilarious Nafaryus.
Something fishy going on.
Aquarius Nafaryus.
"Cos I gotta have Faythe, ooh I gotta have Faythe"
:neverusethis:
ugh
all of this is :facepalm:
this album better be astonishing
Which was the last album where we got a good solid In The Studio DVD ?
Was it Systematic Chaos in 2007 ?
Because we're well overdue another one and this album is crying out for it. :beg:
We'll know in due time, I'm sure we're in for something tasteful and captivating and not cringeworthy :hat
I'm sure we're in for something tasteful and captivating and not cringeworthy :hatIt's as if you stopped listening after Systematic Chaos.
I hope we get track lengths in near future, means a lot more than the title
I hope we get track lengths in near future, means a lot more than the title
Not a lot more, but I agree that we need the lenghts...
I can only hope "Lord Nafaryus" is an instrumental...
Also - "The Hovering Sourjon" - what sort of a title is that??
And I can only assume "Three Days" is a cover of the Jane's Addiction song... (That would be so kewl!) :hat
I can only hope "Lord Nafaryus" is an instrumental...
Also - "The Hovering Sourjon" - what sort of a title is that??
And I can only assume "Three Days" is a cover of the Jane's Addiction song... (That would be so kewl!) :hat
Maybe Sourjon is the name of another Character.. like nafaryus and Arhyse.. it sounds like a Surgeon, maybe the one who makes the implants. :corn
Means something like temporary stay.
ugh
all of this is :facepalm:
If DT play it completely straight faced it could be terrible. If it's tongue in cheek then it could be amazing.
Yup. All the talk on this board about them just going through the motions and then they do this.
Makes you think that ADTOE & DT12 were deliberately safe and familiar just so they could get Mangini comfortable with the band first.
I hope we get track lengths in near future, means a lot more than the title
Not a lot more, but I agree that we need the lenghts...
That's what she......nevermind. :biggrin:
Ah, fuck sake. I always miss the unauthorised info. Is there an alternative DT forum that's slightly less anal? I can understand not sharing leaked music, but random tidbits of information?
I hope we get track lengths in near future, means a lot more than the title
Not a lot more, but I agree that we need the lenghts...
That's what she......nevermind. :biggrin:
*he
And, btw/to be clear, while he thinks the lengths give more info about the songs' nature, I don't.. Knowing the band, according the titles we can make predictions like the one MirrorMask did, with which I mostly agree, and thus having good chances to guess correctly than only according to the track lengths..
A 7 minute song doesn't say anything about its style or type of song (at least not a DT song), whereas that a name like "Dystopian Overture" it's clearly implying something.. That is an overture, and also sounds like an instrumental.. I'd say that even the place a track is in (when we know its title, obviously) give us more clues about the style than its length..
I don't think the album will drop on January 1st.
0111212. is it the morse code?huh? myabe this code on the morse tell the name of char? i cant play with morse code.
Can I Play WithMadnessMorse Code ? :chino:
I'm having trouble understanding how, in the future, the English language will regress back to medieval-speak
Counter-revolution after all the internet abbreviations were killing grammar worldwide.
stop.
if we cut the char8 head. we have 7 number.(0-11-12-1-2) whats thats mean? why the char 8 satying front the clock.whats the clock meaning in the picture?
I'm having trouble understanding how, in the future, the English language will regress back to medieval-speak where heroes are honored in the town square and leaders are 'Lords', yet bed and breakfasts float in midair/or somebody's undecided on whether or not to stay in Rome... this is confusing
If the album is played with lutes and fifes, I won't be surprised.
This sort of thing is not uncommon in dystopian stories.I'm having trouble understanding how, in the future, the English language will regress back to medieval-speak where heroes are honored in the town square and leaders are 'Lords', yet bed and breakfasts float in midair/or somebody's undecided on whether or not to stay in Rome... this is confusing
If the album is played with lutes and fifes, I won't be surprised.
I think we have to suspend disbelief given that that would probably be part of the grand atmosphere that DT want to create along with the fact that this is a dystopian sci-fi album with giant floating balls called NOMACS roaming around with the Majesty logo as their skeleton. It's fair to say that they are not going for realism.
I don't really mind this regression in language because it's not really supposed to be grounded in real life just like Rush's 2112 and Cygnus stories. They are escapist fantasies which, while they had their fair share of cheese, were very emotional and compelling. This is why I have confidence in the new album, as they already pulled off SFaM 16 years ago and did it with a similarly weighty and strange concept (if not more so considering that SFaM has elements of the supernatural and spiritual while TA seemingly does not). If they could do it then, they can do it now.
I've noticed in metal especially - using thee and thou etc instead of "you". I guess they think it sounds more poetic or weighty I guess ?
hey guys. pls look to ch8. back of the picture we have one clock.that we only see 4 number. ( 0-1-1-2) i think the char 8 tell to us the release date of album.01/1/2016. the number 12 hidden by the head of character.this was my idea. pls txt ur idea about the char8 pls. in 8th cha dt hide the secret about the album and story.I don't think there is any connection besides being a coincidence. The image of the clock was simply reused from a previous work done by the artist, as seen on Jie Ma's website under the category of images labeled "Old Work."
Well, whatever the album turns out to be, tickets to see the tour are selling extremely well [received via email at approx. NOON EST]
https://view.e.atlanticrecords.com/?j=fe8116787d610d7a72&m=fe9d12707467067e76&ls=fe2c12787d660679761571&l=fef11678726203&s=fe2715737563027a751379&jb=ffcf14&ju=fe5a1776716307757116&eml=2015November10/2885977/6013233&etsubid=130767079&r=0
Forget The Astonishing--the album I really want to hear is the inevitable prequel, where we find out how in hell the people let somebody named NAFARYUS come to power.
Forget The Astonishing--the album I really want to hear is the inevitable prequel, where we find out how in hell the people let somebody named NAFARYUS come to power.
The prequel came out in 1989 when the Killing Hand caused this mourning. Evil genius this secret plan, mercy dealt with the losing hand. Will he ever fall? -- One more name appears on the wall: Lord Nefaryus. I am the Killing Hand and so forth.
Or at least that's what popped in my head when I saw the (leaked?) picture of the close-up of a military gloved hand and cane. Hahaha!!!
This sort of thing is not uncommon in dystopian stories.I'm having trouble understanding how, in the future, the English language will regress back to medieval-speak where heroes are honored in the town square and leaders are 'Lords', yet bed and breakfasts float in midair/or somebody's undecided on whether or not to stay in Rome... this is confusing
If the album is played with lutes and fifes, I won't be surprised.
I think we have to suspend disbelief given that that would probably be part of the grand atmosphere that DT want to create along with the fact that this is a dystopian sci-fi album with giant floating balls called NOMACS roaming around with the Majesty logo as their skeleton. It's fair to say that they are not going for realism.
I don't really mind this regression in language because it's not really supposed to be grounded in real life just like Rush's 2112 and Cygnus stories. They are escapist fantasies which, while they had their fair share of cheese, were very emotional and compelling. This is why I have confidence in the new album, as they already pulled off SFaM 16 years ago and did it with a similarly weighty and strange concept (if not more so considering that SFaM has elements of the supernatural and spiritual while TA seemingly does not). If they could do it then, they can do it now.
Do you think they're going to go so far as to wear costumes on stage?
I mean....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Peter_Gabriel_The_Moonlight_Knight_%28cropped%29.png)
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
I'll take 22 tracks over 6.
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
That made think of this: is confirmed that it will be a double album? Or there's the probability of two albums as some has speculated?..
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
That made think of this: is confirmed that it will be a double album? Or there's the probability of two albums as some has speculated?..I'll take 22 tracks over 6.
I'll take quality over quantity..
I'm not sure if it's technically confirmed by the band yet, but it's all but confirmed from other sources.
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
That made think of this: is confirmed that it will be a double album? Or there's the probability of two albums as some has speculated?..I'll take 22 tracks over 6.
I'll take quality over quantity..
And Black Clouds was 6 tracks of absolute A-grade quality :tup
And Black Clouds was 6 tracks of absolute A-grade quality :tup
And Black Clouds was 6 tracks of absolute A-grade quality :tup
I know that you aren't being serious, but yes, yes it is. Their best six-song album.
And Black Clouds was 6 tracks of absolute A-grade quality :tup
I know that you aren't being serious, but yes, yes it is. Their best six-song album.
" by the grace of god above - every1 survive - RUOORORORORORORORORORORORORORORORHUH !!! " < - - - this alone makes it at least worse than Six Degrees.
" by the grace of god above - every1 survive - RUOORORORORORORORORORORORORORORORHUH !!! " < - - - this alone makes it at least worse than Six Degrees.
The ending of The Count of Tuscany is alone better than anything written on Six Degrees.
And in my opinion, this ANTR section isn't as cringeworthy as everyone paints it. Lyrics on TBOT, now, that's another story.
Anyway, I'm out of this thread before we can derail it comparing these two albums. :biggrin:
And in my opinion, this ANTR section isn't as cringeworthy as everyone paints it. Lyrics on TBOT, now, that's another story.
And in my opinion, this ANTR section isn't as cringeworthy as everyone paints it. Lyrics on TBOT, now, that's another story.
It's not really cringeworthy, it's just laughably bad. That section is the best and worst joke of their entire discography. It's to DT's music what Batman & Robin or The Room is to movies.
" by the grace of god above - every1 survive - RUOORORORORORORORORORORORORORORORHUH !!! " < - - - this alone makes it at least worse than Six Degrees.
The ending of The Count of Tuscany is alone better than anything written on Six Degrees.
And in my opinion, this ANTR section isn't as cringeworthy as everyone paints it. Lyrics on TBOT, now, that's another story.
Anyway, I'm out of this thread before we can derail it comparing these two albums. :biggrin:
Sorry, had to chime in.
The Glass Prison - Amazing
Blind Faith - Amazing
Misunderstood - Pretty good
The Great Debate - Amazing
Disappear - One of their best ballads
Six Degrees - Majestic
A Nightmare to Remember - Would be amazing if it were 4 minutes shorter.
A Rite of Passage - Meh
Wither - Nice/Meh
The Shattered Fortress - Nice
The Best of Times - Mixed feelings on this one
The Count of Tuscany - Amazing
I don't think Black Clouds is that bad of an album as most folks in here put it, but it can't hold a candle against Six Degrees. Six Degrees is amazingly consistent, wheras Black Clouds isn't.
I'm throwing something in so this post doesn't derail too much from the new album.
Lord Nafaryus.
DT should use this thread as a barometer for when to release the next segment of info. When the last page of the thread has nothing to do with the album, time to drop the next bit!
DT should use this thread as a barometer for when to release the next segment of info. When the last page of the thread has nothing to do with the album, time to drop the next bit!
So how's the weather?
DT should use this thread as a barometer for when to release the next segment of info. When the last page of the thread has nothing to do with the album, time to drop the next bit!
" by the grace of god above - every1 survive - RUOORORORORORORORORORORORORORORORHUH !!! " < - - - this alone makes it at least worse than Six Degrees.
The ending of The Count of Tuscany is alone better than anything written on Six Degrees.
And in my opinion, this ANTR section isn't as cringeworthy as everyone paints it. Lyrics on TBOT, now, that's another story.
Anyway, I'm out of this thread before we can derail it comparing these two albums. :biggrin:
Sorry, had to chime in.
The Glass Prison - Amazing
Blind Faith - Amazing
Misunderstood - Pretty good
The Great Debate - Amazing
Disappear - One of their best ballads
Six Degrees - Majestic
A Nightmare to Remember - Would be amazing if it were 4 minutes shorter.
A Rite of Passage - Meh
Wither - Nice/Meh
The Shattered Fortress - Nice
The Best of Times - Mixed feelings on this one
The Count of Tuscany - Amazing
I don't think Black Clouds is that bad of an album as most folks in here put it, but it can't hold a candle against Six Degrees. Six Degrees is amazingly consistent, wheras Black Clouds isn't.
I'm throwing something in so this post doesn't derail too much from the new album.
Lord Nafaryus.
DT should use this thread as a barometer for when to release the next segment of info. When the last page of the thread has nothing to do with the album, time to drop the next bit!
Considering this, what was the waiting time between the first bit of info on the Act I tracks and the reveal of the complete Act I list?
a really good power metal bandI am not sure that I have encountered this phrase before.
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
it is a fucking clock or the discover clock.this is ur idea. we have very very ideas around the world that focused on the dt site. hey DT why u put the fucking clock back of char 8? huh? the FBI must take dt and punish DT. hey DT u need to prison for end of the world.cause you have 1 fucking clock. :lolI had a computer and access to the world wide web so what the fuck.
Petrucci : :) hey i like that clock pic - let's just put it behind the 8th character. It looks nice :):rollin
A WEEK LATER
Petrucci : i'll just check DTF :) .... oh for fucks sake.
but in pic of char8 he havent the :hat.FTFY
it is a fucking clock or the discover clock.this is ur idea. we have very very ideas around the world that focused on the dt site. hey DT why u put the fucking clock back of char 8? huh? the FBI must take dt and punish DT. hey DT u need to prison for end of the world.cause you have 1 fucking clock. :lolHave you, by chance, ever been to Indonesia?
it is a fucking clock or the discover clock.this is ur idea. we have very very ideas around the world that focused on the dt site. hey DT why u put the fucking clock back of char 8? huh? the FBI must take dt and punish DT. hey DT u need to prison for end of the world.cause you have 1 fucking clock. :lolHave you, by chance, ever been to Indonesia?
it is a fucking clock or the discover clock.this is ur idea. we have very very ideas around the world that focused on the dt site. hey DT why u put the fucking clock back of char 8? huh? the FBI must take dt and punish DT. hey DT u need to prison for end of the world.cause you have 1 fucking clock. :lolHave you, by chance, ever been to Indonesia?
If the track "Lord Nafaryus" is not an elegant song OR a heavy imperial like march (yes, I'm looking at you, Star Wars), I will be severely disappointed.
...and Act II Probably also has 11 tracks since both boxes are spaced the same.Well, the evidence suggests that it has AT MOST 11 tracks. It could definitely have fewer.
Well, the evidence suggests that it has AT MOST 11 tracks. It could definitely have fewer.
I check this thread every 1 or 2 days just to see what's going on.
I always regret it.
If the track "Lord Nafaryus" is not an elegant song OR a heavy imperial like march (yes, I'm looking at you, Star Wars), I will be severely disappointed.
I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Lord Nafaryus?
thunderbolt and lightning,
Very, very frightening me.
(Galileo) Galileo.
(Galileo) Galileo,
Galileo Figaro
Majesty.
Nah, thanks. Was thinking about something nicer and more badass. xD (No offense to Queen ofc).
hey there's an idea - maybe DT could play there - they wait long time best band history mangni drum god best in history so energy powahIt's actually DURM god
Nah, thanks. Was thinking about something nicer and more badass. xD (No offense to Queen ofc).
Down the castle stair
He disappears
He's the empire's heir
Nafaryus' here
Nah, thanks. Was thinking about something nicer and more badass. xD (No offense to Queen ofc).
Down the castle stair
He disappears
He's the empire's heir
Nafaryus' here
...and Act II Probably also has 11 tracks since both boxes are spaced the same.Well, the evidence suggests that it has AT MOST 11 tracks. It could definitely have fewer.
I check this thread every 1 or 2 days just to see what's going on.
I always regret it.
The more variety, the better! as said earlier I'm all for songs with weirdass structures where the music has to adapt itself to the story, rather than the usual Write a song / sneak in a jam as solo section / write lyrics 'cause James is in the band as well and he must have something to do approach they have for most of their songs.
While it would make a cool nugget, I doubt they've incorporated it into the new album. If they did, The Gift of Music would be a nice place to put it, with DT12 including this easter egg of the forgotten melody that becomes a big deal in this dystopian future. It would be some nice foreshadowing, and remind me of the meta-album idea.
The scary thing is, the Metropolis joke makes much more sense.
Down the castle stair
He disappears
He's the empire's heir
Nafaryus' here
The scary thing is, the Metropolis joke makes much more sense.
I really hope it's not the atonal/chromatic reverby synth fill.
Doo-doo-doo-deet Doo-dunh-dunh-dunh. :biggrin:
It took me a sec to figure out what bit you meant, but well done. :lol
BitS and TROAE I believe, second one is pretty obvious :P.
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but on the latest official Tracklisting there are NOMAC icons next to the first and and last track listed. Any clue as to what that signifies?
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but on the latest official Tracklisting there are NOMAC icons next to the first and and last track listed. Any clue as to what that signifies?
I'm gonna guess they are instrumentals because the NOMACs are trying to Hypnotize people with their "music"?
I'm wondering how much of a collaboration this whole concept thing is. I hope LaBrie and Myung will bring some lyrics and songwriting to the table and that this is an effort of the whole band instead of it being taken care of by one or two members (Petrucci and Rudess most likely).
My guess is that 'ACT I' has 3 instrumental tracks: Dystopian Overture, Lord Nafaryus and Three Days. :corn
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but on the latest official Tracklisting there are NOMAC icons next to the first and and last track listed. Any clue as to what that signifies?
A few weeks ago, I read some interview (can't remember the specifics) about someone in DT listening to a Van Halen album that ended with a short melody/jam, and that they had really liked it, and hoped they would start the next album with that jam, but that it never happened.
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but on the latest official Tracklisting there are NOMAC icons next to the first and and last track listed. Any clue as to what that signifies?
I'm gonna guess they are instrumentals because the NOMACs are trying to Hypnotize people with their "music"?
Nah, I want my Nafaryus/Aqarius thing go into this: https://youtu.be/06X5HYynP5E?t=45
Ha ha, yea that's awesome. My only exposure to them was an 8-track tape of Up Up and Away I found as a kid. I thought it was great back in the 70's. Obviously, I had no idea :)Nah, I want my Nafaryus/Aqarius thing go into this: https://youtu.be/06X5HYynP5E?t=45
I'm having flashbacks listening to that.
Holy crap. More Act One tracks! :omg:
1. Descent of the NOMACS
2. Dystopian Overture
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in the Square
8. When Your Time Has Come
9. Act of Faythe
10. Three Days
11. The Hovering Sojourn
12. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
13. A Life Left Behind
14. Ravenskill
15. Chosen
16. A Tempting Offer
17. Digital Discord
There's definitely going to be a few interludes there.
Holy crap. More Act One tracks! :omg:
1. Descent of the NOMACS
2. Dystopian Overture
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in the Square
8. When Your Time Has Come
9. Act of Faythe
10. Three Days
11. The Hovering Sojourn
12. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
13. A Life Left Behind
14. Ravenskill
15. Chosen
16. A Tempting Offer
17. Digital Discord
There's definitely going to be a few interludes there. I'm beginning to doubt the possibility of an epic and we also may not even have a track more than 10 mins. If this bodes well for the overall focus and coherency of the album, bring it on! :metal
Mind blown.
Either a lot of interludes like Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle Earth, or we really do get a double album of 140 minutes.
Holy crap. More Act One tracks! :omg:
1. Descent of the NOMACS
2. Dystopian Overture
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in the Square
8. When Your Time Has Come
9. Act of Faythe
10. Three Days
11. The Hovering Sojourn
12. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
13. A Life Left Behind
14. Ravenskill
15. Chosen
16. A Tempting Offer
17. Digital Discord
There's definitely going to be a few interludes there. I'm beginning to doubt the possibility of an epic and we also may not even have a track more than 10 mins. If this bodes well for the overall focus and coherency of the album, bring it on! :metal
Must say I was NOT prepared for this one!
Think of it guys,
Let's say the average song length in this act is about 3+- min.
17 tracks means at least 51 minutes.
Now let's be realistic for a moment - there WILL be tracks longer than 3 minutes.
I'd say the most logical possibility is something like 60 minutes (at least) of music per disc.
That means (by my own logic of course) that we're bound to get at least 120 minutes of new DT material (assuming, of course, that both discs are equal in their lengths).
OMG.
You know, speaking of The Theory of Everything got me an idea about these NOMACS icons:
In TTOE there are 4 major songs divided to many short tracks. But in the end, there are just 4 songs.
Maybe that's the case here:
Tracks 1-10 - Song one.
Tracks 11-16 - Song two.
Track 17-X (could be drifting to the 2nd disc) - Song three.
And so forth.
You know, speaking of The Theory of Everything got me an idea about these NOMACS icons:
In TTOE there are 4 major songs divided to many short tracks. But in the end, there are just 4 songs.
Maybe that's the case here:
Tracks 1-10 - Song one.
Tracks 11-16 - Song two.
Track 17-X (could be drifting to the 2nd disc) - Song three.
And so forth.
Cannot comprehend what's going on here, I'm not even going to guess anymore at this point lol
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Cannot comprehend what's going on here, I'm not even going to guess anymore at this point lol
II think that's the cool part of all of it :)
We were all hoping for something different and unexpected.
Well, it's safe to say we don't have the slightest clue of what's going on!
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I would've thought that if they did that, the songs would surely be ordered in the chunks they revealed them. Like this sort of ordering.
1. Yearning
I. Descent of the NOMACS
II. Dystopian Overture
III. The Gift of Music
IV. The Answer
V. A Better Life
2. The Empire
I. Lord Nafaryus
II. A Savior in the Square
III. When Your Time Has Come
IV. Act of Faythe
V. Three Days
VI. The Hovering Sojourn
3. Rebellion is Rising
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
VI. Digital Discord
Cannot comprehend what's going on here, I'm not even going to guess anymore at this point lolTHIS. Even if I wanted to guess a little more, it's not possible :omg:
holy fuck
like
what
This first CD has more tracks on it than any DT record, and it's the FIRST CD
Speculation:
We're going to have a single from both CDs, each released sometime after each CD's tracklist is complete
Speculation:
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That would mean a new track in 3 or 4 days! I highly doubt though, unfortunately.
What if there were no physial CD's and it's a digital only release...
So 11 tracks in the first Act? Anyone else think a couple of those might be short transitional songs (like Through My Words) or speaking tracks (like Regression)...? Even so, I feel like there's going to be a lot to digest when this album drops :tup
That made think of this: is confirmed that it will be a double album? Or there's the probability of two albums as some has speculated?..I'll take 22 tracks over 6.
I'll take quality over quantity..
And Black Clouds was 6 tracks of absolute A-grade quality :tup
What if there were no physial CD's and it's a digital only release...
I'd hate that immensely.
What if there were no physial CD's and it's a digital only release...
I'd hate that immensely.
As would I. It's begging for a deluxe gatefold cd package with DVD.
Digital only ? Meh I'll stream it. ::)
They started mixing on October 13. That was pretty much a month ago.
It looks like a long record but i'd imagine they're done mixing it and possibly mastering too.
They started mixing on October 13. That was pretty much a month ago.
It looks like a long record but i'd imagine they're done mixing it and possibly mastering too.
I was at the John Petrucci Clinic at Sam Ash in NYC not too long ago, he made one comment about the record, that they were in the mixing stages and that it was "going"... w/ sort of like an inflection that they had a long road ahead of them.
They started mixing on October 13. That was pretty much a month ago.
It looks like a long record but i'd imagine they're done mixing it and possibly mastering too.
I was at the John Petrucci Clinic at Sam Ash in NYC not too long ago, he made one comment about the record, that they were in the mixing stages and that it was "going"... w/ sort of like an inflection that they had a long road ahead of them.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean the mix and master for the first single couldn't be done already.. maybe it was the first song they work in the mixing process
Have we passed the stage of not knowing if the album is gonna be released before the tour starts in February or are we still not sure?
Have we passed the stage of not knowing if the album is gonna be released before the tour starts in February or are we still not sure?
Anyone else wonder why there are little NOMACS next to some of the tracks? Maybe instrumentals?
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but on the latest official Tracklisting there are NOMAC icons next to the first and and last track listed. Any clue as to what that signifies?
I assumed it was simply marking the first and last track, indicating there were no more to reveal in Act I. That's just a guess though.
shit ton of spoken word over keyboard atmospheric music, are what at least half these tracks are IMHO.
ACT ONE HAS SEVENTEEN FUCKING TRACKS
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SOME QUADRUPLE ALBUM OR SOME SHIT THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE AND I'M HYPED AS SHIT
or 3) it's like that Beyond Twilight album where there were a few dozen tracks but it was all one continuous piece.
Highly unlikely, I think DT are too big for that. It tends to be the more tier 2 (in terms of fame) bands like Haken and The Dear Hunter who get convinced by their label to release something digital only, and then end up releasing it physically later on anyway.What if there were no physial CD's and it's a digital only release...
I'd hate that immensely.
As would I. It's begging for a deluxe gatefold cd package with DVD.
Digital only ? Meh I'll stream it. ::)
Isn't it possible that "act 1" actually covers more than one disc worth of music? Like, act 1 is 85 minutes or something and then act 2 is the rest of the second disc?
It's not like they've said that Act 1=Disc 1 and Act 2=Disc 2.
I don't think that's right, but everything here is speculation so whatevs.
I'm surprised that no one has pointed out Brother from TCOT will make a return on this album.
What if there were no physial CD's and it's a digital only release...
I'd hate that immensely.
As would I. It's begging for a deluxe gatefold cd package with DVD.
Digital only ? Meh I'll stream it. ::)
I really really hope they release it on vinyl, if only for the collectible value. If each disk is an hour long, however, I doubt that they will. :'(
Definitely fake, but I've snipped it anyway to make a point.
EVEN IF IT'S FAKE, DO NOT POST POTENTIAL LEAKS. This is the FINAL WARNING (I'm also going to update this thread's OP with the same point).
From now on, even posting potential leaks will get you at least a week off.
I hope that all these tracks are selectable. But yeah it might end up 20 "pieces" with 4 selectable tracks per disc. Making up their normal 8 "songs" overall.
I hope that all these tracks are selectable. But yeah it might end up 20 "pieces" with 4 selectable tracks per disc. Making up their normal 8 "songs" overall.
Since they're being listed with numbers, these would have to be the standard CD tracks. It's still possible they make up longer songs that aren't listed, but I don't see why that would be necessary given that it's all part of a whole already.
My thoughts also, that would kinda explain the NOMAC symbols, but shouldn't they be part of the songs themselves? As they're part of the tracklisting.
My thoughts also, that would kinda explain the NOMAC symbols, but shouldn't they be part of the songs themselves? As they're part of the tracklisting.
I hope not, i rather have 3 long songs :metal
At this point, I think we would all find it weird if the album does not have a normal length instrumental track in the veims of TDOE or Enigma Machine, right? It's a prog epic album afterall...
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Overture 1928 is the second track on SFAM and it's alright.
My thoughts also, that would kinda explain the NOMAC symbols, but shouldn't they be part of the songs themselves? As they're part of the tracklisting.
I hope not, i rather have 3 long songs :metal
Just an observation but could the 3 eyes on the left of the Nomac at the bottom of the web page be connected to the 3 Nomac's on the Tracklisting?
Little bit late to the party, but......SEVENTEEN?!! :dangerwillrobinson:
I'm getting so pumped for this now!
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Nice. I like that. You might be onto something.
Little bit late to the party, but......SEVENTEEN?!! :dangerwillrobinson:
I'm getting so pumped for this now!
My guess it´ll problaby look like this:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Does anyone else think it's strange that we haven't gotten more than one character yet?
Is it just me or is the silhouette of the person in front of the clock more transparent than the others? You can see through it to the background whereas the others are solid black. Maybe we are close to his/her unveiling!
The Act I track listing reminds me of Rick Wakeman's Return To The Center Of The Earth. It was 22 tracks and every other one was narration. There were a couple of good songs in there, Buried Alive with Ozzy and Never Is A Long Long Time with Trevor Rabin.
Most bands just come out and say "this is our album, it will be released _____, etc." It must be fun for them to tease us all these months.
Nomac...yes???
Nefaryus
With this many tracks in Act 1, I don't think an individual track will be more than 7-8 minutes long. Some will be 4-5 mins, and one or more of the "NOMAC" tracks will be shorter than Through My Words.
To me, The Hovering Sojourn sounded like an end-of-act number, whereas Digital Discord doesn't. Is there more to be revealed for Act 1?
I suspected I wasn't the only one who clicks the red dots every time they visit the website..
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...Yeah, it's not like DT have ever done that before or anything.
The album is probably out late January and Act II Probably also has 11 tracks since both boxes are spaced the same.
I'm thinking either
1. 20 tracks on each disc
2. 20 tracks on Disc 1 and like 5 - 8 on Disc 2 ( much less anyway )
NefaryusSpelled wrong. :loser:
So there's at least 17 new songs to add to DT the League next year then...
As a side note, I'm glad all this talk about this rock opera/ 17 tracks sounding like with ayreon the theory of everything made me pick up that album for the first time... I'm really liking it!
Damn.. I'm just at Progressive Waves.. I'm Like.. who is this key/synth player :hefdaddy?? ... went to wikipedia and mind blow!!!!!!!! Emerson and Rudess!!!
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Seems like it could be a 2112 inspired story, taking it up a notch.
Except that every title has its own assigned number..
1. Descent of the NOMACS (ok with this one)
2. Dystopian Overture (2, not "I")
3. The Gift of Music (3, not "II")
11. The Hovering Sojourn (11, not "2")
17. Digital Discord (17, not "3")
So the tracklist on DT's official page has to be a lie to make right your guess.. ;)
Did you gather secret information from the clock?Seems like it could be a 2112 inspired story, taking it up a notch.
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This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Except that every title has its own assigned number..
1. Descent of the NOMACS (ok with this one)
2. Dystopian Overture (2, not "I")
3. The Gift of Music (3, not "II")
11. The Hovering Sojourn (11, not "2")
17. Digital Discord (17, not "3")
So the tracklist on DT's official page has to be a lie to make right your guess.. ;)
Did you gather secret information from the clock?
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Except that every title has its own assigned number..
1. Descent of the NOMACS (ok with this one)
2. Dystopian Overture (2, not "I")
3. The Gift of Music (3, not "II")
11. The Hovering Sojourn (11, not "2")
17. Digital Discord (17, not "3")
So the tracklist on DT's official page has to be a lie to make right your guess.. ;)
Well, this is my guess if the Nomac icon that are on songs 1,2,3 Are actually the songs...and the other "track names" are parts in those songs. Assuming they've just listed all the separate tracks/parts. 😊
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Except that every title has its own assigned number..
1. Descent of the NOMACS (ok with this one)
2. Dystopian Overture (2, not "I")
3. The Gift of Music (3, not "II")
11. The Hovering Sojourn (11, not "2")
17. Digital Discord (17, not "3")
So the tracklist on DT's official page has to be a lie to make right your guess.. ;)
Well, this is my guess if the Nomac icon that are on songs 1,2,3 Are actually the songs...and the other "track names" are parts in those songs. Assuming they've just listed all the separate tracks/parts. 😊
So we should expect more tracks for ACT 1 ...
This:
1. Descent of the Nomacs
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (probably show up some more parts to this song)
Wouldn´t make sense if "Dysthopian Overture" was the 2:nd song, since it´s an overture...
Except that every title has its own assigned number..
1. Descent of the NOMACS (ok with this one)
2. Dystopian Overture (2, not "I")
3. The Gift of Music (3, not "II")
11. The Hovering Sojourn (11, not "2")
17. Digital Discord (17, not "3")
So the tracklist on DT's official page has to be a lie to make right your guess.. ;)
Well, this is my guess if the Nomac icon that are on songs 1,2,3 Are actually the songs...and the other "track names" are parts in those songs. Assuming they've just listed all the separate tracks/parts. 😊
Why are you closing out the possibility of it being fewer tracks with a total of 17 (maybe up to 20 or w/e) movements? There's 0 confirmation on whether these are separate tracks or not.
But there is confirmation on which number (whether be a track's number or a song's number) correspond to which name.. e.g: "Three Days" is track/song/movement 10.. I see it as a fact, since they have no reason to write a wrong tracklist and then change it for something like alexofsweden proposes, which is indeed interesting, but, again, contradictory with what we do know ("A Better Life" is 5 five, not IV or 4... something -track, song, whatever-)..Yeah you got a point, it should be me proving you wrong rather than you proving me wrong, because yours is more logical with the information given, I just can't understand how they'd do it the way you describe, but I'm not going to think too much into it, just waiting on more info.
I remember when they revealed the DT12's tracklist, it was the actual and definitive tracklist.. It was like this:
1- False Awakening Suite
I. Sleep Paralysis
II. Night Terrors
III. Lucid Dream
2- The Enemy Inside
3- The Looking Glass
(etc)
It wasn't like this:
1- False Awakening Suite
2- Sleep Paralysis
3- Night Terrors
4- Lucid Dream
5- The Enemy Inside
6- The Looking Glass
(etc)
[funny thing though that in DT12 there are also 17 different titles]
As a side note, I'm glad all this talk about this rock opera/ 17 tracks sounding like with ayreon the theory of everything made me pick up that album for the first time... I'm really liking it!
Damn.. I'm just at Progressive Waves.. I'm Like.. who is this key/synth player :hefdaddy?? ... went to wikipedia and mind blow!!!!!!!! Emerson and Rudess!!!
Glad to see another DTF person who started to appreciate Ayreon. The Theory of Everything is one of my favourite albums ever, despite being released only two years ago. It just connects with me in a way not a lot of albums do.
Why are you closing out the possibility of it being fewer tracks with a total of 17 (maybe up to 20 or w/e) movements? There's 0 confirmation on whether these are separate tracks or not.
To think that just a couple of months ago the situation was "In the era of social media DT is silent and they tell us nothing at all"... and now THIS!
As a side note, I'm glad all this talk about this rock opera/ 17 tracks sounding like with ayreon the theory of everything made me pick up that album for the first time... I'm really liking it!
Damn.. I'm just at Progressive Waves.. I'm Like.. who is this key/synth player :hefdaddy?? ... went to wikipedia and mind blow!!!!!!!! Emerson and Rudess!!!
Glad to see another DTF person who started to appreciate Ayreon. The Theory of Everything is one of my favourite albums ever, despite being released only two years ago. It just connects with me in a way not a lot of albums do.
I really love The Theory of Everything, I like how there are 40 something little tracks, it's fun. But my favorite Ayreon album is The Human Equation, actually it is one of my favorite albums of all time, everything on it is perfect to me.
I find it funny that people are suddenly saying TA will be like The Theory of Everything. Can't accept the idea of 17+ shorter songs instead of 8-9 longer ones? Maybe this is the "change in the universal flow" that JR referred to.
Already done by Coheed & Cambria on their second album. That's the title of the hidden track. ;)Seems like it could be a 2112 inspired story, taking it up a notch.
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Or maybe no one really knows.
I know for a fact that the album will be out before the shows in february.
I know for a fact that the album will be out before the shows in february.
I find it funny that people are suddenly saying TA will be like The Theory of Everything. Can't accept the idea of 17+ shorter songs instead of 8-9 longer ones? Maybe this is the "change in the universal flow" that JR referred to.
10 tracks for act ll 100%
:metal
1. CLocks
2. CLocks
3. Clocks
4. Clocks
5. Clocks
6. Clocks
7. Clocks
8. Clocks
9. Clocks
10. The Astonishing Clocks
i. clocks
ii. clocks
iii. clocks
iv. clocks
v. clocks
10 tracks for act ll 100%
:metal
1. CLocks
2. CLocks
3. Clocks
4. Clocks
5. Clocks
6. Clocks
7. Clocks
8. Clocks
9. Clocks
10. The Astonishing Clocks
i. clocks
ii. clocks
iii. clocks
iv. clocks
v. clocks
10 tracks for act ll 100%
:metal
1. CLocks
2. CLocks
3. Clocks
4. Clocks
5. Clocks
6. Clocks
7. Clocks
8. Clocks
9. Clocks
10. The Astonishing Clocks
i. clocks
ii. clocks
iii. clocks
iv. clocks
v. clocks
Yeah, this website says the release date will be late January:
https://www.cirkus.se/evenemang/visa/dream-theater#fndtn-event
I've quoted this about 3 times now and people still say that it's possible for DT to release the album after it's been played live. They won't do it. I'm pretty sure that the venue would be more aware of insider info than Metal Injection.
Also, if they did play it live before release that would be a little dumb, as nobody has any clue if they will like what they hear and crowd participation would be impossible considering the audience will not know the songs.
1. Even if we assume there is a definite release date in late January, it is only mid-November now. It is VERY common in the music industry for release dates to get pushed back as the date approaches, and there are a LOT of reasons that that can happen. Between now and late January, the date can change SEVERAL times, even if the band and label have a fixed date in mind right now.
2. No, people at the venue are generally NOT aware of any inside information relating to the release of an album. They have no idea of that type of information other than what the promoters tell them, and the promoters do not know anything other than what the label or management tell them. People who run concert venues are not music insiders.'Insider info' was definitely a poor word choice on my part, but what the promoters tell them is bound to be more correct than speculation on the part of a journalistic website such as MI which as far as I can gather, read the social media post about the tour then wrote the article taking the phrase 'debuting the album live' and not considering that it was talking about how the LIVE PERFORMANCE is going to debut on the 18th of February in London rather than the performance on the 18th being the first time the audience will listen to it.
Do you know why DT announced the tour before the name?
Yes, but the venue has gotten information from the label and the promoters (and by proxy DT's management) with regard to the concert. After all, the name of the album and the poster was released by venues prompting the band to confirm the name - so they were definitively privy to information we were not.
" DREAM THEATER WILL DEBUT THEIR NEW ALBUM LIVE IN ITS ENTIRETYThat just means first live performance.
Dream Theater has announced new tour dates for a momentous European run that's set to kick off on February 18th at the Palladium in London, England. The tour will see the prog-titans delivering a one-of-a-kind show in which they premier their entire forthcoming album live. "
This sure looks like they're going to debut it live. But they can't DEBUT it at every show...
" DREAM THEATER WILL DEBUT THEIR NEW ALBUM LIVE IN ITS ENTIRETYThat just means first live performance.
Dream Theater has announced new tour dates for a momentous European run that's set to kick off on February 18th at the Palladium in London, England. The tour will see the prog-titans delivering a one-of-a-kind show in which they premier their entire forthcoming album live. "
This sure looks like they're going to debut it live. But they can't DEBUT it at every show...
Well, let's just say... I have some words that I've planned to write. And I know when I can do that...
Well, let's just say... I have some words that I've planned to write. And I know when I can do that...:censored
Well, let's just say... I have some words that I've planned to write. And I know when I can do that...
Anyone else wonder why there are little NOMACS next to some of the tracks? Maybe instrumentals?
Maybe it indicates spoken word sections, or maybe they'll become links to listen to some samples? No idea now.
With this many tracks, I think we'll get several either spoken word parts for the story, or maybe they've just split it into much smaller components, like the sections of their usual epics.
The deal with the NOMACs is a good excuse for Rudess to experience with some robotic dubsteish Bebot style noises, that could be fun if done right.
The deal with the NOMACs is a good excuse for Rudess to experience with some robotic dubsteish Bebot style noises, that could be fun if done right.
I was thinking the same thing. There's potential for disaster here, but if done right, it could be really cool.
Aside from prog metal, I'm a pretty big electronic music fan--but I'm pretty picky about it. No cheesey trance or bro house. Chroma Key is awesome.
Nefaryus
I don't think the mega-tracks theory makes much sense. Or if there are mega-tracks, the titles haven't been released yet. Because they wouldn't number the titles as if they were tracks right now. There's just no reason for them to do so.
Mind blown.
Either a lot of interludes like Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle Earth, or we really do get a double album of 140 minutes.
Now imagine the tracklist for ACT II:
18. THE ASTONISHING
And that would be it. People would go freaking nuts ;D
i'm getting less and less hyped for this by the second :lol
When they put out DT12, they mentioned wanting to have the album out for a few months before going on tour, so people could digest the new material. That was for a 69 min album, and they didn't even play the whole thing. Now, for a seemingly 100+ min massive concept album, they're going to start touring with the entire concept mere weeks (if that) after it's release date. I find that kind of ironic :lol
I know for a fact that the album will be out before the shows in february.Guys... maybe you skipped this post.
I know for a fact that the album will be out before the shows in february.Guys... maybe you skipped this post.
they're going to start touring with the entire concept mere weeks (if that) after it's release date.
we need 3 more nomacs beside the tracks that working with the NOMACS! the act ll give to us another 3 nomacs!Wow! Because 3+3=6 and 6:00 is the first track of Awake, the first album cover to have a CLOCK on it? Great thinking man, you're 3 steps ahead of me.
we need 3 more nomacs beside the tracks that working with the NOMACS! the act ll give to us another 3 nomacs!Wow! Because 3+3=6 and 6:00 is the first track of Awake, the first album cover to have a CLOCK on it? Great thinking man, you're 3 steps ahead of me.
Can´t help but thinking part of this stems from Labrie´s enthousiasm of working on Ayreon´s theater performance. Guess it rubbed off on the other guys.
Not saying he was influenced but remember though that Labrie was booked for The Theater Equation in may 2014 and i'm pretty sure they pitched him the whole project/idea before he signed on. So he was well aware of the project and what was going to happen on the stage before entering the studio with DT. Dosen't mean he was influenced by this for DT13 though, i'm just saying...Can´t help but thinking part of this stems from Labrie´s enthousiasm of working on Ayreon´s theater performance. Guess it rubbed off on the other guys.
The timing is kinda off though. They started writing the material for this album during DT12 tour. They went into the studio in january, and was pretty much done recording the backing tracks (guitars, drums, bass and keys) in june. When I spoke to them in July, what was missing at that point were vocals, overdubs and "effects" (i'm guessing narration and embellishments). The Theater Equation was at the end of september. Last day of recording was september 25th. There's no way that the theater performance had any influence on the album.
If anything influenced the band, it'd be older stuff like the obvious (2112, The Wall) - but I also see newer stuff being in their arsenal (like Circle of Illusion's Jeremias, which was one of JRs featured albums back in may, or Ayreon's Theory of Everything which JR appeared on).
Sorry... Didn't read enough of the thread :omg:
Sorry... Didn't read enough of the thread :omg:
Having read the entire thread myself, I'd say you were probably better off that way. :lol
Do they even advertise these updates anywhere, or do they expect people to randomly check the page every so often? I haven't seen any updates mentioned on FB or Twitter since the page first went up.
The deal with the NOMACs is a good excuse for Rudess to experience with some robotic dubsteish Bebot style noises, that could be fun if done right.When I read "robotic" I immediately thought you were going to say Jordan should learn robot dance moves, and it reminded me of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8gffhbeUhs#t=3m2s). :lol
Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
:lol this album had SO better not end on a cliffhanger !!!!!
Yeah phrased that a little weird, I meant the #3 character, as in, the one to the right of Nafaryus.Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
3rd? I see only Emperor Nafaryus?
For previous albums, we've had a "What we know so far" thread. All known album info in one place, without having to wade through our endless (and usually incorrect) speculation.
I wonder why "places" is locked up even though we can see what it says...
I wonder why "places" is locked up even though we can see what it says...We can't. The section we can see is "Map" not "Places". "Places" is locked, "Map" is not.
When they put out DT12, they mentioned wanting to have the album out for a few months before going on tour, so people could digest the new material. That was for a 69 min album, and they didn't even play the whole thing. Now, for a seemingly 100+ min massive concept album, they're going to start touring with the entire concept mere weeks (if that) after it's release date. I find that kind of ironic :lol
Well, it's going to be a theater performance, with hopefully clearer sound and all, making it easier to digest. People won't need to sing along there, and I guess it'll be more like a real presentation of the album instead of a usual live show.
I wonder why "places" is locked up even though we can see what it says...
Cause they wanna tease us.
I wonder why "places" is locked up even though we can see what it says...We can't. The section we can see is "Map" not "Places". "Places" is locked, "Map" is not.
What I was wondering about is how the page https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishing, is not accessible from the main website, there's no link to it there. I know we guessed the url after we found out the album name from the live shows announcements but I'm wondering if we stumbled across that page earlier than they wanted us to since the main website is not linking to it.
from writing the elemans in spect element.the part of act l and act ll . the elements show to us the 10 part in espect element. before realising the 17 track in act l i active the espect elemnt that there was 17 empty part with 3 coloumn. and in act ll we have 10 part with 3 coloumn.guys pls scratch ur mind and dont tell about the DT's length of tracks. so w8 for listening to album.for u is very easy to get the see the live.but i'm live in iran.the country that the DT never come here.but it is not importanat.listening to album and see the DVD live is amazing! so dont tell a joke about dt and use from ur cheers days and new year!
I wonder if "places" will just be tour info. Probably not but who knows.
what time is it? are u always online in dt forums? dont u have any job or other work?for Ex:flating ur hat. cuttimg ur nose with help of dr. and help to jp for playing fast solo. so sit and think about the clock behind the char8. one day u said: It's Fucking clock. :lol
I wonder if "places" will just be tour info. Probably not but who knows.
u dont need to clock.cause u have not the job. u have always free time for siiting front of pc and txt for the new dt album? but ur hat is very astonishing. jp must buy it from u and using for recording new fuckin album :rollin :lol
And then, as the album comes to an end, we find that the clock somehow turns out to be the most important character of the whole ''Astonishing'' story...
Wait it all makes sense now! The hands of a clock move in circle and they end their journey where they began. The clock is the Octavarium!
what time is it? are u always online in dt forums? dont u have any job or other work?for Ex:flating ur hat. cuttimg ur nose with help of dr. and help to jp for playing fast solo. so sit and think about the clock behind the char8. one day u said: It's Fucking clock. :lol
Absolutely no need to be insulting someone just because English isn't their first language. Between this and some other recent posts of yours, you might want to have a read of the forum rules (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7.0) regarding being respectful.what time is it? are u always online in dt forums? dont u have any job or other work?for Ex:flating ur hat. cuttimg ur nose with help of dr. and help to jp for playing fast solo. so sit and think about the clock behind the char8. one day u said: It's Fucking clock. :lol
It's simply not enough that you're functionally illiterate, you must also be arrogant and belligerent.
Hey all! long time lurker here, finally signing to the forum :)
Just wanted to say Im really exited for the album. A bit scary of it being too weird, but DT never failed me before.
I have a small question, Since it is kind of a dream and a life goal for me to see them live, Ive decided I have to see them this tour. That means traveling to EU specifically for this. Now, since Im kinda broke I have to plan this cheaply. Germany seems the perfect location, but currently there are no tour dates for it. Does any of you, who have experience with DT tours, know anything about whether they will arrive to Germany? I have to know because tickets are selling out and I need to book a show. Any help or advice would be really much appreciated.
So thats it, Im eager to hear this album and start participate in your one of a kind endless forum debates and rankings ;)
Can I request a thread be started that only chaossystem and clock guy be allowed to post in? I would pay....
Hey all! long time lurker here, finally signing to the forum :)
Just wanted to say Im really exited for the album. A bit scary of it being too weird, but DT never failed me before.
I have a small question, Since it is kind of a dream and a life goal for me to see them live, Ive decided I have to see them this tour. That means traveling to EU specifically for this. Now, since Im kinda broke I have to plan this cheaply. Germany seems the perfect location, but currently there are no tour dates for it. Does any of you, who have experience with DT tours, know anything about whether they will arrive to Germany? I have to know because tickets are selling out and I need to book a show. Any help or advice would be really much appreciated.
So thats it, Im eager to hear this album and start participate in your one of a kind endless forum debates and rankings ;)
So, welcome to DTF at first.
Now I have to tell you, anything related to the tour can be seen on this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44873.0
There were concerts in Germany announced a few days ago. Funny enough they just disappeared from the band`s website recently what really confuses me since I was, like you, planning to buy tickets for a concert in Germany. So basically, we can just hope and wait for an (re-)announcement.
:lol this album had SO better not end on a cliffhanger !!!!!
Heh, watch it will and DT14 will be the finale!
I wonder why "places" is locked up even though we can see what it says...
Cause they wanna tease us.
This whole thing is a major tease. DT must be having fun
Hey all! long time lurker here, finally signing to the forum :)
Just wanted to say Im really exited for the album. A bit scary of it being too weird, but DT never failed me before.
I have a small question, Since it is kind of a dream and a life goal for me to see them live, Ive decided I have to see them this tour. That means traveling to EU specifically for this. Now, since Im kinda broke I have to plan this cheaply. Germany seems the perfect location, but currently there are no tour dates for it. Does any of you, who have experience with DT tours, know anything about whether they will arrive to Germany? I have to know because tickets are selling out and I need to book a show. Any help or advice would be really much appreciated.
So thats it, Im eager to hear this album and start participate in your one of a kind endless forum debates and rankings ;)
So, welcome to DTF at first.
Now I have to tell you, anything related to the tour can be seen on this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44873.0
There were concerts in Germany announced a few days ago. Funny enough they just disappeared from the band`s website recently what really confuses me since I was, like you, planning to buy tickets for a concert in Germany. So basically, we can just hope and wait for an (re-)announcement.
Welcome to the forum.....
The tickets for this tour are not cheap.... 2-3 times more than on a normal tour. But it will be a very special event so it will be worth it I think.
I have a question regarding those german dates.
Does any one know if the places they had up for a short while have orchestra pits?
Someone mentioned that all of the booked theaters have pits. If those did not then there is a chance that this would be a reason perhaps.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44889.0
(btw, why can't I find some of these cool emoticons in my reply options? And in the "more" option it appears only the "flamethrower" guy emoticon)
I know for a fact that the Amsterdam Carré does not, this is what it looks like from the artists POV:Neither does Cirkus in Stockholm as far as I know.
(https://www.theateradvies.nl/images/dia87.jpg)
I know for a fact that the Amsterdam Carré does not, this is what it looks like from the artists POV:
(https://www.theateradvies.nl/images/dia87.jpg)
I know for a fact that the Amsterdam Carré does not, this is what it looks like from the artists POV:Neither does Cirkus in Stockholm as far as I know.
(https://www.theateradvies.nl/images/dia87.jpg)
Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
Hey all! long time lurker here, finally signing to the forum :)
Just wanted to say Im really exited for the album. A bit scary of it being too weird, but DT never failed me before.
I have a small question, Since it is kind of a dream and a life goal for me to see them live, Ive decided I have to see them this tour. That means traveling to EU specifically for this. Now, since Im kinda broke I have to plan this cheaply. Germany seems the perfect location, but currently there are no tour dates for it. Does any of you, who have experience with DT tours, know anything about whether they will arrive to Germany? I have to know because tickets are selling out and I need to book a show. Any help or advice would be really much appreciated.
So thats it, Im eager to hear this album and start participate in your one of a kind endless forum debates and rankings ;)
So, welcome to DTF at first.
Now I have to tell you, anything related to the tour can be seen on this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44873.0
There were concerts in Germany announced a few days ago. Funny enough they just disappeared from the band`s website recently what really confuses me since I was, like you, planning to buy tickets for a concert in Germany. So basically, we can just hope and wait for an (re-)announcement.
Oh I didn't know that the other revealed character was the 3rd, but I just thought it because "#char3_LB" was behind the astonishing web page adress 1 or 2 days ago, seemed suspicious.Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
Considering that the real image has already leaked, announcing that character next makes sense. I just don't think they'll do it today though, no updates have been made during the weekends (at least not yet).
Oh I didn't know that the other revealed character was the 3rd, but I just thought it because "#char3_LB" was behind the astonishing web page adress 1 or 2 days ago, seemed suspicious.Thinking they'll announce the 3rd character today or tomorrow, maybe along with more tracks.
Considering that the real image has already leaked, announcing that character next makes sense. I just don't think they'll do it today though, no updates have been made during the weekends (at least not yet).
You know. 2028 is 100 years after 1928, but probably doesn't have anything to do with SFaM.
Serious scientific research about the design and construction lineage of the NOMACs yielded unexpected findings:
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/nomac_lineage.jpg)
The Moderators of this board should now be called The Great Northern Empire :)
I favor the Empire, but actually joined both.
Joined both, but before I knew I could do that, I joined the rebels first.Same. Been feeling rebellious recently. :lol
Both! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Hey all! long time lurker here, finally signing to the forum :)
Just wanted to say Im really exited for the album. A bit scary of it being too weird, but DT never failed me before.
I have a small question, Since it is kind of a dream and a life goal for me to see them live, Ive decided I have to see them this tour. That means traveling to EU specifically for this. Now, since Im kinda broke I have to plan this cheaply. Germany seems the perfect location, but currently there are no tour dates for it. Does any of you, who have experience with DT tours, know anything about whether they will arrive to Germany? I have to know because tickets are selling out and I need to book a show. Any help or advice would be really much appreciated.
So thats it, Im eager to hear this album and start participate in your one of a kind endless forum debates and rankings ;)
So, welcome to DTF at first.
Now I have to tell you, anything related to the tour can be seen on this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44873.0
There were concerts in Germany announced a few days ago. Funny enough they just disappeared from the band`s website recently what really confuses me since I was, like you, planning to buy tickets for a concert in Germany. So basically, we can just hope and wait for an (re-)announcement.
Thanks!
I just wish there was someone we could ask, is there no one here somehow connected the band, who can tell us if they will eventually arrive to Germany?
Using the Empire email:
Present is 2285 AD, which is 257 years After C. (AC)
Making 0 AC, 2028 AD.
So what happened in 2028 that uses the letter C?
2028 corresponds with a Presidential year election. So maybe a President was elected that then abolished the Senate and declared an Empire. Is the AC referenced in nomACs? After Choice? After Corruption? After Collective?
We at least have some dates that should be a fact of the story line.
Just to note that, as this is all speculation, I snipped it from the What We Know thread and merged it in here.You know. 2028 is 100 years after 1928, but probably doesn't have anything to do with SFaM.I really hope not. I'd be slightly disappointed if it was. However - a slight nod to past albums would be alright.
The dates aren't speculation though. They are taken from the Empire email.Yes and the emails are referenced/linked in that thread, but the meaning of the dates is speculation. That's for this thread here. :)
I wonder how many of the characters are women.
Any idea?
Is it me or has more been added to the map?
Is it me or has more been added to the map?
There has not.
Also, Emperor Nafaryus has a nice Mona Lisa thing going on. Cover up the left side of his face, and he looks like an upstanding citizen. Cover up the right side, and he looks like a disheveled evil villain.
It bothers me that the "s" in NOMACS is capitalized. In the pluralization of an acronym, the "S" should be lower case. And if the "S" is part of the acronym, than the "Descent of the NOMACS" means there is just one NOMACS.
It would be a petty grievance, but I'm trying to figure out what NOMACS might stand for, and it matters whether the S is part of the acronym or not.
Does the current pattern say that we will get more info this monday or tuesday/wednesday?
Can we have a running "what we know" post at the beginning of the thread? :)
That one has nagged at me too. From the emails, NOMACS is plural, rather than the S being part of the acronym and it being singular.
Maybe NOMAC isn't an acronym at all, but actually part of a glorious future where the PC master race has conquered, and Macs are outlawed.
That one has nagged at me too. From the emails, NOMACS is plural, rather than the S being part of the acronym and it being singular.
Maybe NOMAC isn't an acronym at all, but actually part of a glorious future where the PC master race has conquered, and Macs are outlawed.
Considering how much Windows has been stealing from Linux as of late (or the Windows corporation using Linux-based servers), I would assume the glorious future would see no more PCs as well. ;)
That one has nagged at me too. From the emails, NOMACS is plural, rather than the S being part of the acronym and it being singular.
Maybe NOMAC isn't an acronym at all, but actually part of a glorious future where the PC master race has conquered, and Macs are outlawed.
Considering how much Windows has been stealing from Linux as of late (or the Windows corporation using Linux-based servers), I would assume the glorious future would see no more PCs as well. ;)
Loooooooooooooooool.
No. I assume a glorious future would involve being able to actually run software. :biggrin:
But NOMAC only specifically excludes Macs, so I'm sure Linux can continue to have some dank corner somewhere where some sub-human sewer dwellers still use Linux.
Serious scientific research about the design and construction lineage of the NOMACs yielded unexpected findings:
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/nomac_lineage.jpg)
Greetings...
Nef (still not related to the Emperor)
Sneaky little NOMACSes.
DT pliiis, it's monday, let us revive this thread ; D
Oh yea - there are some new song titles up now.
Holy crap. More Act One tracks! :omg:
1. Descent of the NOMACS
2. Dystopian Overture
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in the Square
8. When Your Time Has Come
9. Act of Faythe
10. Three Days
11. The Hovering Sojourn
12. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
13. A Life Left Behind
14. Ravenskill
15. Chosen
16. A Tempting Offer
17. Digital Discord
There's definitely going to be a few interludes there. I'm beginning to doubt the possibility of an epic and we also may not even have a track more than 10 mins. If this bodes well for the overall focus and coherency of the album, bring it on! :metal
Are the above tracks speculation? I don't see any updates.
And ACT I:
18. The X Aspect
19. A New Beginning
20. The Road to Revolution
Are the above tracks speculation? I don't see any updates.
Are the above tracks speculation? I don't see any updates.
Did the NOMACS image get updated? I don't remember there being a "Red Dot" in the reflection above it's "eyes"
The X Aspect is a really... odd name. It just doest fit right me thinks
Did the NOMACS image get updated? I don't remember there being a "Red Dot" in the reflection above it's "eyes"
That's a hell of a lot of tracks.
Definitely updated as well.
B.Lee
I'm 100% sure the 3rd eye has always been there. This image is from the newsletter subscription page, from last month.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201510/DT-thanxbg.png)
Also, Entr'acte pretty much means "intermission"... Weird to start Act 2 with an intermission...I imagine it probably effectively represents an Act II overture of sorts.
"Entr'acte (or entracte [ɑ̃tʁakt]),[1] means "between the acts" (German: Zwischenspiel and Zwischenakt, Italian: Intermezzo, Spanish: Intermedio). It can mean a pause between two parts of a stage production, synonymous to an intermission (this is nowadays the more common meaning in French), but it more often (in English) indicates a piece of music performed between acts of a theatrical production. In the case of stage musicals, the entr'acte serves as the overture of act 2 (and sometimes acts 3 and 4, as in Carmen). In films that were meant to be shown with an intermission, there was frequently a specially recorded entr'acte on the soundtrack between the first and second half of the film, although this practice has died out in recent years."
Well, we're DEFINITIVELY way into Rock Opera territory here now.
A bit disappointed it wasn't just only "The Astonishing" in the act II lol
Now I'm almost certain for some reason that we won't have a single "classic DT" song, those are probably all going to be some short songs connected to eachother that will be meh if listened as individual songs
Everything seems so huge.
THIRD DOT APPEARS THEN THIRD ACT APPEARS THEN THIRD DISC IS CONFIRMED!!11111
I am beginning to imagine these European concerts are just The Astonishing without any older material.
Wow, that's a lot of new acronyms for us to remember!
Wow, that's a lot of new acronyms for us to remember!
Hoping Act II doesn't have as many as I. That way there can be short songs on I and some lengthier ones on II.
I am beginning to imagine these European concerts are just The Astonishing without any older material.
Is it possible they add some more dates, because I reeealy want to go but I won't be able to if they don't come to Bulgaria. :sad:
when we click on the ''Tracklisting'' the URL changes for https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishing#mini_track, hummm mini-tracks...
when we click on the ''Tracklisting'' the URL changes for https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishing#mini_track, hummm mini-tracks...
when we click on the ''Tracklisting'' the URL changes for https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishing#mini_track, hummm mini-tracks...
Everyone's talking about spoken word tracks, the very idea of which just puts me off something terribly.
Have certain trepidation about the story but, as others have said, the story is not really all that important. It's not a book and DT aren't celebrated novelists. It's not like I sit down and read Operation Mindcrime as a piece of literature.
Have certain trepidation about the story but, as others have said, the story is not really all that important. It's not a book and DT aren't celebrated novelists. It's not like I sit down and read Operation Mindcrime as a piece of literature.
I swear, if there's a song in Act II called "Rise of the Mole People", I'm going to freak out.
Don't think it has, but IMO it doesn't look that similar to a NOMAC.
Someone supposedly even deciphered mystical numbers behind character 8,Hail persian Mr. Clock Man awake!
Oh and the theory of NOMAC symbols meaning some type of song introduction (which would leave Act I with 3 actual songs divided up into 20 tracks) still stands, although something in the story must've happened that somehow eliminated these NOMACs by the time Act II started :P
It could just be his throne, nothing really special.
Please don't become NOMAC guy.
A bit disappointed it wasn't just only "The Astonishing" in the act II lol
Now I'm almost certain for some reason that we won't have a single "classic DT" song, those are probably all going to be some short songs connected to eachother that will be meh if listened as individual songs
It could just be his throne, nothing really special.
Please don't become NOMAC guy.
Just in case somebody else here wouldn't see it here is a clear comparison picture for you all. I think it's very obvious. It may be NOMAC shaped throne or whatever similar I guess, but it doesn't change the fact it's almost identical to the top of the NOMAC.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11014880/Nafaryus%20Nomac%20background.png)
And I don't think it's a big deal, it's just interesting little detail I saw.
What if, He's being projected by a NOMAC.
A few of us have noted that it sounds like an event or a happening.Agree.
Like the time has come for The Great Astonishing.
Or The Astonishing is at hand.
Has anybody thought about the word Astonishing here being used as a gerund?
An adjective without a subject wouldn't make much sense.
Has anybody thought about the word Astonishing here being used as a gerund?
An adjective without a subject wouldn't make much sense.
Has anybody thought about the word Astonishing here being used as a gerund?
An adjective without a subject wouldn't make much sense.
That's not uncommon in English.
The Brave. The Bold. The Beautiful. The Mighty. The Powerful.
Have certain trepidation about the story but, as others have said, the story is not really all that important. It's not a book and DT aren't celebrated novelists. It's not like I sit down and read Operation Mindcrime as a piece of literature.
If we're talking about Scenes from a Memory, the rancid lyrical concept actually holds the music hostage.
Lyrics mean a great deal to me when I'm listening to progressive music (obviously), and much of these songs are just bloated vehicles used to deliver story exposition and scene descriptions.
What if... The two videos on the "Astonishing" page are some kind of production to be played along the songs, like a "screentrack" instead of a soundtrack?
What if, He's being projected by a NOMAC.
What if, He stepped out of the NOMAC. Like they can be driven.
Did the NOMACS image get updated? I don't remember there being a "Red Dot" in the reflection above it's "eyes"
Yeah, I definitely don't remember that being there previously.
What if... The two videos on the "Astonishing" page are some kind of production to be played along the songs, like a "screentrack" instead of a soundtrack?
I think anything lengthy would be reserved for the live show, but we may see bits like that if it's a music video / lyric video.
I'm thinking possibly more along the lines of behind the scenes footage with some teasers, or the band discussing the concept/music, that kind of thing. Similar to what we got last time with DT12 perhaps.
I don't know, this whole thing is so different to usual, that I wouldn't want to bet either way.
i wonder when they're going to release any singles
I wouldn't be surprised if neither side is actually evil (or maybe both are evil)
ACT II
1. 2285 entr´acte (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
I. Moment Of Betrayal
II. Heaven´s Cove
What if, He stepped out of the NOMAC. Like they can be driven.
That's what I was thinking, maybe he's on the inside of a NOMAC, piloting it.
My own speculations:
What if the "Hovering Sojourn" is about the Chosen One who infiltrates a NOMAC and uses it to broadcast his own stirring, forbidden melody? Just like a loudspeaker. That would be his Hovering Sojourn. After all, the NOMACs are huge, there might be some room within their structure. This would also explain the Majesty-shaped chassis, since the NOMACs are'n going to be a negative force forever, they will be hacked by Ravenskill and used against the Empire. This might also explain why the NOMAC is so important and such a recurrent theme: because it's going to play a main role in the story.
"Brother can you hear me" might be a first attempt to communicate via the NOMAC. Obviously, the first person he will try to get in touch with is most likely his brother.
"A life left behind", may just speak for itself. He's on a mission now, and will leave his life behind.
"Ravenskill" and "The Chosen": well, isn't he meant to be the Chosen of this faction? Maybe these tracks will tell us about the faction and about our hero; it may be his past or something about the character in general.
"A Tempting Offer" Let's assume we're getting close to the end of first disk: it's about time for a nice plot twist. The Empire tries to negotiate with him, to corrupt him in order to prevent him from destroying the whole system. Will they try to deceive him? To tell him lies to take him on their side? Or maybe some kind of confession (with some truth in it), to try and destabilize him?
"Digital Discord" might represent the uncertain end of the first disk, to make you eager to know how the story will develop in the future. Strange, disharmonic sounds that spring from him as he fights with himself while seeing things under a new light.
Now we know "Digital Discord" is not the end of the first act, since three more track titles were published, but we know for sure that there will be a "Moment of Betrayal". So, "A Tempting Offer" might definitely be related to this treason.
I personally think the NOMAC icon next to certain tracks signifies the start of a larger divided track or suite. The idea that there are 3 large tracks in the first act divided into sections makes a lot more sense to me than a band of this progressive level putting out 20 short singular compositions. Also if the counter argument is 'how doesn't act 2/disc 2 begin with a NOMAC symbol?' Well there are a couple of possibilities to this theory; Disc 1 could end with track 16; 'A tempting offer' or disc 2 could begin with Act 2's interlude track '2285 Entr'acte' but with a transition that can divide the track without loosing momentum, like ITPOE Pt2 or the middle of IT. I think this is the most likely imo, but being dream theater and this album seeming so very different to the past I could be on a completely different wavelength!
I personally think the NOMAC icon next to certain tracks signifies the start of a larger divided track or suite. The idea that there are 3 large tracks in the first act divided into sections makes a lot more sense to me than a band of this progressive level putting out 20 short singular compositions. Also if the counter argument is 'how doesn't act 2/disc 2 begin with a NOMAC symbol?' Well there are a couple of possibilities to this theory; Disc 1 could end with track 16; 'A tempting offer' or disc 2 could begin with Act 2's interlude track '2285 Entr'acte' but with a transition that can divide the track without loosing momentum, like ITPOE Pt2 or the middle of IT. I think this is the most likely imo, but being dream theater and this album seeming so very different to the past I could be on a completely different wavelength!
I personally don't see the point of a symbol to denote a song. Why not just give the "song" name in the reveal? And what's with everyone's ginormous prog boner for wanting obscenely long songs on this anyway? It's already a multi-disc concept album that forms a cohesive whole, why would it need to be grouped into long songs? SFAM didn't do it, it was just grouped by nameless "scenes" where they flowed into each other, which even then wasn't really necessary.
I have no idea what the NOMAC symbol is, but I don't think this fits. Why would you have an act split in the middle of a "song"? And why would you have something called 2283 Entr'acte in the middle of a song? That sounds like too definitive a split point to me, which it is as the start of Act II.
Yeah I understand that. I'm just curious as to what it means and speculating, I am not obsessed with the overly long songs... It's just something DT tend to do. They love lengthy compositions, Even SFAM had 3 songs over 11 and a half minutes so I'm just wondering how it'll pan out. Will each act flow completely from track to track or will the NOMAC icon symbolise the beginning of a new suite? that was more what I was getting at. It could be anything really, I just can't imagine 20 individual verse/chorus compositions on each act following a 2-5 minute structure... That's a hell of a lot of work for the band to do, I think the way Ayreon did the Theory of Everything is the type of structure im trying to get at.
Holy damn this album has got me excited. The number of tracks just makes my mind go wild. I really hope for a really diverse album with good flow between the tracks. This is toooooo good for me to handle :mehlin
I'm calling it. Epic. :hat
What if the chosen is the son of Lord Nafaryus? or the brother of Arhys?Well, the chosen one is IN FACT Arhys' brother:
What if Lord Nafaryus and Arhys are relatives?
I am here to tell you that not only is this Chosen One real, and not a fiction as the Emperor’s messengers insist, but this Chosen One is, in fact, my blood, and my brother.
I am Arhys, Son of Marhys, one of three remaining heirs to the displaced, forgotten, and forbidden Legion Of Sorrowful Song.
What if the chosen is the son of Lord Nafaryus? or the brother of Arhys?Well, the chosen one is IN FACT Arhys' brother:
What if Lord Nafaryus and Arhys are relatives?QuoteI am here to tell you that not only is this Chosen One real, and not a fiction as the Emperor’s messengers insist, but this Chosen One is, in fact, my blood, and my brother.
And I don't think Nafaryus is a relative of Arhys and the Chosen One:QuoteI am Arhys, Son of Marhys, one of three remaining heirs to the displaced, forgotten, and forbidden Legion Of Sorrowful Song.
Marhys Nafaryus is a too horrible name for just one person :lol
But yes, I think they may be related in some way, but they're not direct relatives. Maybe an 'I'm your uncle' thing?
I'm almost ashamed to admit that I know nothing about this album other than the fact that it's called The Astonishing and will be two discs.50% of what you know might even be false, as far as we know now... :biggrin:
^ :lol 40 tracks on one disc. 2 minutes per track.What we know for sure:
What we know for sure:To which I would add:
≥23 tracks
≥1 disc
≥2 "acts"
≥1 NOMACS
≥3 "NOMACS" tracks
All the rest will be astonishing
Now we know "Digital Discord" is not the end of the first act, since three more track titles were published, but we know for sure that there will be a "Moment of Betrayal". So, "A Tempting Offer" might definitely be related to this treason.
If I may expand on your theory:
The X Aspect - Chosen One sees new possibilities in joining the GNE & becomes corrupt with power, just as the previous ruler had.
A New Beginning - Ravenskill carries on with a new Chosen One, who ends up failing to live up to the efforts of the previous one, meanwhile GNE carries on a new beginning in tactics with their newfound ally.
The Road To Revolution - Ravenskill & GNE prepare to go to war with each other, Ravenskill frustrated with their former efforts failing.
2285 Entr'acte - Battle is played out in instrumentals (like By-Tor & The Snow Dog).
Moment Of Betrayal - Just as the Rebel Militia are about to lose, a member [probably the ruler] of the GNE attempts to murder the Chosen One in fear that he may have never been on their side in the first place &/or may change sides again. He is saved however by one of his former friends in Ravenskill.
Heaven's Cove - The Chosen One & his old friend exchange dialogue about the former events in a place they used to go as children (before either of these factions had formed). The Chosen One eventually makes some important decision about something that ends up happening later [though that we don't know yet].
PD: Hi from Spain! This is my first post :)
I think there may have guest artists representing the characters, as Ayreon
Perhaps, supporting characters?
Is insane to think about it?
Nicky Spanjaards as The Chosen One.
If I ever caught myself thing that 2-3 updates a week was too slow, I would hope I would have the self-awareness to have my ADD meds upped a notch.
*insert Tool reference here*.Right? I'm going to both Texas shows.
It would be cool if they use Ronnie Romero, lead singer of Lords of Black and new singer for Rainbow's 2016 live dates.
Ha! I needed to check I wasn't listening to Jørn Lande. :lol Great voice and interesting band, will check out them more.It would be cool if they use Ronnie Romero, lead singer of Lords of Black and new singer for Rainbow's 2016 live dates.
Really good singer, this guy!
Ha! I needed to check I wasn't listening to Jørn Lande. :lol Great voice and interesting band, will check out them more.It would be cool if they use Ronnie Romero, lead singer of Lords of Black and new singer for Rainbow's 2016 live dates.
Really good singer, this guy!
Funny, that's my ringtone...
I don't wanna sound annoying or antiquated or whatever you call it, but... no guest artists please. Leave it to Ayreon (which I really like, btw)
Funny, that's my ringtone...
I don't wanna sound annoying or antiquated or whatever you call it, but... no guest artists please. Leave it to Ayreon (which I really like, btw)
This^6x10²³
So xmas has already arrived up there, i guess...
If the story is descriptive, it would not make sense for them to have a lot of guest vocalists. If it's dialogue-driven they probably could, but it would just be jarring to hear those songs played outside of context with other inflections if James were going to try to emulate those other vocalists. No, I don't think there are any outside of the band doing main vocals.Given all the "rock opera" descriptions and the cast of characters, I would guess that it will be dialogue based like with SFAM.
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t34.0-12/12270454_10153247901307957_536170555_n.jpg?oh=55fad04eefcb4d476aaefcccd387d48f&oe=564E0074)
um, dude . . you can get banned for posting leaked artwork.
*snip*
:2metal:
Just the odd section would be fine, but the problem with going full-on rock opera and using a full cast is how it makes it basically impossible to reproduce properly live, other than at the occasional special show. Ok they have this European theatre tour that could easily use guest musicians, but they'll want to be able to play the songs in future as well.
Personally, I'd love to hear Labrie do some multi-layered track harmonizing. Can't remember him doing much of that.
Personally, I'd love to hear Labrie do some multi-layered track harmonizing. Can't remember him doing much of that.
Well, then live guests then.
Was an update on the tracklist last wednesday? Or we should wait until tomorrow or friday?
Well, then live guests then.
Was an update on the tracklist last wednesday? Or we should wait until tomorrow or friday?
I say tomorrow
Bold prediction, tomorrow will be the last tracklist update, making the second act complete with 8-9 tracks, although chances are this will be another 20 track disc.
Personally, I'd love to hear Labrie do some multi-layered track harmonizing. Can't remember him doing much of that.
No, not really. More like really layered overdubbed choral stuff.
Anyway, which tracks do you guys consider to be single canditates, or rather, which tracks do you WANT to have as singles? I want at least The Gift of Music because I really like the name.
Anyway, which tracks do you guys consider to be single canditates, or rather, which tracks do you WANT to have as singles? I want at least The Gift of Music because I really like the name.
Lord Nafaryus, obviously. I know there's a fair chance of it being an instrumental, but in case it's a full-blown song, I want it to be the first single.
No, not really. More like really layered overdubbed choral stuff.
No, not really. More like really layered overdubbed choral stuff.
I think you mean like Savatage with Chance, The Wake of Magellan, One Child and the likes, right?
I really don't see logic in predicting which songs are single type, instrumentals, epics, interludes or so just by their titles...Same goes for almost all of this thread. People have been extrapolating entirely plot lines and what happens in each song from the titles and the very limited setting information that we have.
Sometimes I just forget I'm in DTF, so... :facepalm:
Singles are usually the most accessible tracks, so I kind of doubt that they'll release a track like lord nafaryus as the single.
Singles are usually the most accessible tracks, so I kind of doubt that they'll release a track like lord nafaryus as the single.Are most of the tracks just short songs?
i can't tell if you actually have insider info, or just love trolling everyone :lol
i can't tell if you actually have insider info, or just love trolling everyone :lol
You can ask anyone who know me around here about my credentials and whether it's likely that I have insider info.
Speaking of which, keep an eye on your emails and Twitter, folks. Apparently, is not pleased. :)Free full album stream via Twitter link confirmed.
I can vouch for Noxon's credentials. Pretty sure he has not heard any of the new album. But he is privy to much of the same info I am privy to, and he knows what he is talking about.
Speaking of which, keep an eye on your emails and Twitter, folks. Apparently, is not pleased. :)
I can vouch for Noxon's credentials.And I can vouch for Bosk's credentials! :D
I can vouch for TAC's credentials.I can vouch for Noxon's credentials.And I can vouch for Bosk's credentials! :D
I can vouch for TAC's credentials.I can vouch for Noxon's credentials.And I can vouch for Bosk's credentials! :D
:TAC:
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise MachineDidn't even put two and two together. Cool!
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise MachineDidn't even put two and two together. Cool!
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise MachineDidn't even put two and two together. Cool!
Did you guys see that person for scale between the bottom middle and bottom left NOMAC? Those things are huge!
I hope that music will play a part in the storyline... it would be nice if the message that comes out of it is that a society is better if there's music in it. Like I said in what was probably the nuked thread, Fahrenheit 451 was about banned books, maybe this is about banned music and how the new discovering of it will lead people to be free from tyranny.
NOMACS pieces: JR weird noises or MM doing crazy solos?
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise Machine
1. 2285 entr´acte (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
Quite possibly the Northern Empire themed songs will be dissonant, unstructured "noise inspired" and Ravenskill songs will be melodic and orchestrated.
Reminiscent of 6 Degrees, where disc 1 focused on minor keys with heavy guitar presence and disc 2 was upbeat major, keyboard dominant.
Quite possibly the Northern Empire themed songs will be dissonant, unstructured "noise inspired" and Ravenskill songs will be melodic and orchestrated.
Reminiscent of 6 Degrees, where disc 1 focused on minor keys with heavy guitar presence and disc 2 was upbeat major, keyboard dominant.
I on the other hand think that the Empire themed songs should be epic, orchestrated, pompous, exaggerated, intimidating... It's an empire afterall, or maybe that's just my Star Wars inner nerd speaking, :rollin
Also, Lord Nafaryus uses the word NOMACS to describe, well... the NOMACS. Why would the Empire call something that's usefull to them and supposedly work in their favor as... Noise machines? Sounds a bit derogatory to me :huh:
Quite possibly the Northern Empire themed songs will be dissonant, unstructured "noise inspired" and Ravenskill songs will be melodic and orchestrated.
Reminiscent of 6 Degrees, where disc 1 focused on minor keys with heavy guitar presence and disc 2 was upbeat major, keyboard dominant.
I on the other hand think that the Empire themed songs should be epic, orchestrated, pompous, exaggerated, intimidating... It's an empire afterall, or maybe that's just my Star Wars inner nerd speaking, :rollin
Also, Lord Nafaryus uses the word NOMACS to describe, well... the NOMACS. Why would the Empire call something that's usefull to them and supposedly work in their favor as... Noise machines? Sounds a bit derogatory to me :huh:
It's Commander Arhys who calls them noise machines in the email, not Nafaryus.
I know. What I mean is that people are guessing that NOMACS oficially stand for Noise Machines, and Nafaryus calls them NOMACS... unless it's just the "official" name that only the rebels will use, and it actually means something completely different for the empire.
I know. What I mean is that people are guessing that NOMACS oficially stand for Noise Machines, and Nafaryus calls them NOMACS... unless it's just the "official" name that only the rebels will use, and it actually means something completely different for the empire.
Sorry, just woke up. Brain not worky good. :lol
I didn't even make the connection that NOMAC is a smooshing of NOise MAChine. From the empire's POV, I don't think noise machine would necessarily be a derogatory term, since that noise is considered good. It's also possible the true meaning of NOMAC is largely lost to time to most of the people in the empire.
no
Definitely seems like their own take on 2112.I hope that music will play a part in the storyline... it would be nice if the message that comes out of it is that a society is better if there's music in it. Like I said in what was probably the nuked thread, Fahrenheit 451 was about banned books, maybe this is about banned music and how the new discovering of it will lead people to be free from tyranny.I think music playing a part in the story is guaranteed. Not only do all of the messages from Arhys and Nafaryus reference sound/music ("Legion of Sorrowful Song," "melodious siren song," "seek the Songs for yourself"), but there is a song/track entitled The Gift of Music.
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise Machine
Nice catch.
The "s" should still be lowercase, though!
1. 2285 entr´acte (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
Except "2285 Entr'acte" doesn't have the NOMAC symbol.. ;)
I´ll continue to speculate around my theories, that the nomacs are the actual songs and the rest are parts. Yes i know there´s no Nomac icon in the 2:nd act...but maybe they´ll show in the next update.
Btw, look at the Nomac...there´s 3 eyes on both sides...3 speakers...3 eyes= 2 discs with 3 songs on each disc. ACT 1is the "The Great Northern Empire" and disc 2 "The Ravenskill Rebel Militia"..."choose your side"
ACT I
1. Descent of the Nomacs (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
I. Dystophian Overture
II. The Gift of Music
III. The Answer
IV. A Better Life
V. Lord Nafaryus
VI. A Savior in the Square
VII. When Your Time Has Come
VIII. Act of Fayte
IX. Three Days
2. The Hovering Sojourn (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
I. Brother, Can You Hear Me
II. A Life Left Behind
III. Ravenskill
IV. Chosen
V. A Tempting Offer
3. Digital Discord (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
I. The X Aspect
II. A New Beginning
III. The Road To Revolution
ACT II
1. 2285 entr´acte (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
I. Moment Of Betrayal
II. Heaven´s Cove
NOMAC = Sound Machine...SOMAC
NOMAC = Sound Machine...SOMAC
But Alex, there are some problems with your theory... namely:Fixed.
- everything
But Alex, there are some problems with your theory... namely:
- The NOMAC icon is not there. It appeared immediately for all the other tracks that have it.
- The tracklist is presented with the number of the tracks, which very likely will be the tracks of the CD. If there were a different order, or sub-sections like with False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory, why would they withold it?
- Entr'acte means a musical intermission between two acts. At the beginning you have the overture, in the middle you have an entr'acte. Imagine you would see a tentative tracklist for the second disc of Six Degrees, with track 1 Overture, track 2 About to Crash, track 3 War Inside My Head etc etc - you'd be assuming, because of a NOMAC icon next to the Overture, that Overture is the name to the entire piece and that the first real song is About to Crash.
There's no way a longer epic with many tracks is called Entr'acte just as there is no way that it would be called Overture. 2285 Entr'Acte will be an instrumental that starts up the second disc, that's all.
But Alex, there are some problems with your theory... namely:Fixed.
- everything
All the speculation in this thread is pretty silly (and fun of course), but Alex wins in that regard I think.
no
no
I was just speculating like everybody else is right now Kotowboy, but hey thanks for the warm welcome to DTF
People are really starting to bend the evidence towards what they want, rather than what the evidence actually suggests. That is, in my experience, one of the very best ways to end up disappointed.
I can vouch for TAC's credentials.I can vouch for Noxon's credentials.And I can vouch for Bosk's credentials! :D
:TAC:
Actually Hef, those be my credentials... I'll own it! TAC has shamed me a few times...
People are really starting to bend the evidence towards what they want, rather than what the evidence actually suggests. That is, in my experience, one of the very best ways to end up disappointed.
People have been bending the evidence (and often the lack thereof) since before DT entered the studio. :lol
no
I was just speculating like everybody else is right now Kotowboy, but hey thanks for the warm welcome to DTF
:) Sorry about that but we've had pages and pages of people guessing Metropolis 3 based on nothing :lol
Rather irritatingly, though, people have been speculating on concept album, double album and Metropolis 3. The first is confirmed and the second is pretty much confirmed. Odds on the third?People are really starting to bend the evidence towards what they want, rather than what the evidence actually suggests. That is, in my experience, one of the very best ways to end up disappointed.
People have been bending the evidence (and often the lack thereof) since before DT entered the studio. :lol
Rather irritatingly, though, people have been speculating on concept album, double album and Metropolis 3. The first is confirmed and the second is pretty much confirmed. Odds on the third?People are really starting to bend the evidence towards what they want, rather than what the evidence actually suggests. That is, in my experience, one of the very best ways to end up disappointed.
People have been bending the evidence (and often the lack thereof) since before DT entered the studio. :lol
Yeah, I know what you mean. The thing is I don't/didn't want any of those three options, and as you said, the first two are basically confirmed at this point, and some of the evidence for the third isn't as far-fetched as I would like.It would be kinda hilarious. Thousands of fanboys across the world would explode with excitement.
I worry that some of the secrecy may be for a reason, with still no officially confirmed album cover that I'm aware of despite the artwork all floating around. Hiding the full title perhaps? :P
Yeah, I know what you mean. The thing is I don't/didn't want any of those three options, and as you said, the first two are basically confirmed at this point, and some of the evidence for the third isn't as far-fetched as I would like.It would be kinda hilarious. Thousands of fanboys across the world would explode with excitement.
I worry that some of the secrecy may be for a reason, with still no officially confirmed album cover that I'm aware of despite the artwork all floating around. Hiding the full title perhaps? :P
So on the topic of The Astonishing being Metropolis Part 3,That sounds like Cloud Atlas film... interesting.
What if...
Lord Nafaryus = The Miracle/Edward/Hypnotherapist
Arhys = The Sleeper/Julian/The Old Man (who I speculate was Julian's reincarnation)
The Melody = Metropolis/Victoria/Nicholas (Coz she was a city first so why not a melody)
Look, NOMACS is not an acronym, it's an abbreviationWe don't know that.
Or, you know, it's just what the rebels call them since it fits...This exactly.
We're supposed to have news today, right?Maybe.
Yea I'm still hoping we get another tracklist update tomorrow despite getting that Arhys mail yesterday.
1. 2285 entr´acte (https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/nomac_logo.png)
Except "2285 Entr'acte" doesn't have the NOMAC symbol.. ;)
Did you read the whole post? ::)
- The NOMAC icon is not there. It appeared immediately for all the other tracks that have it.
Lake of Fire would be pretty badass.
How many records would the vinyl version be? 5? 6?
How many records would the vinyl version be? 5? 6?
I guess 3. TFK's Stardust We Are is crammed full of music, and the vinyl version of that is 3 discs. ß
I guess next tracklist update will be something important since they had to mail us the letter just before it
I guess next tracklist update will be something important since they had to mail us the letter just before it
A release date would be nice as well.
The only reason why I'm not losing my head in anxiety is because Star Wars VII is coming. THAT (32 years) wait is killing me.
The album is probably out late January and Act II Probably also has 11 tracks since both boxes are spaced the same.I'm thinking either
1. 20 tracks on each disc
2. 20 tracks on Disc 1 and like 5 - 8 on Disc 2 ( much less anyway )
:lol Chill out Kotowboy ;)
:dangerwillrobinson: CANNOT
dudz, what's the point on trapping the band in a past successful formula? Metropolis (song) is awesome? Hell it is! SFAM is awesome? A CLASSIC! But doesn't it restrain the band when it's about creativity? Look what happened to Geoff Tate, he survives only because of the Operation: Mindcrime stories, repeats the same concept over and over and so on... At some point, it gets banal, becomes uninteresting.Possibly controversial, but I don't think Metropolis is one of DT's best songs (though it is still really good) and I think SFAM is one of DT's weakest albums. So if they DID do a part III, it's definitely possible that it could end up being my favourite. :lol
dudz, what's the point on trapping the band in a past successful formula? Metropolis (song) is awesome? Hell it is! SFAM is awesome? A CLASSIC! But doesn't it restrain the band when it's about creativity? Look what happened to Geoff Tate, he survives only because of the Operation: Mindcrime stories, repeats the same concept over and over and so on... At some point, it gets banal, becomes uninteresting.Possibly controversial, but I don't think Metropolis is one of DT's best songs (though it is still really good) and I think SFAM is one of DT's weakest albums. So if they DID do a part III, it's definitely possible that it could end up being my favourite. :lol
Possibly controversial, but I don't think Metropolis is one of DT's best songs (though it is still really good)Not controversial at all - I don't really understand why this song is that much of a fan favorite. It's a decent enough song, but not one comes anywhere near my top 20.
I think SFAM is one of DT's weakest albums.Now that my friend is fighting words!!! Love SFaM - definitely one of their 3 best albums, IMO.
NOMACtavariumNOMACtavariopolis!
NOMACtavarium
The tracklist is not that important when it comes to the concept. It's also one of the items that will be most easily leaked - since when people do actually get to hear it they'll also be able to leak the tracklist - so they want the tracklist out there in a controller manner rather than through rumors and leaks.I think I may have seen a possible leak around, but dunno if it's legit or just someone trolling people. Will not share it here of course ;)
UPDATE
:neverusethis:
when? :(
Lol. Or as we say in my land: HUEHUEHUE.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Lol. Or as we say in my land: HUEHUEHUE.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Lol. Or as we say in my land: HUEHUEHUE.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
RMGadelha e Sacul são BR? KKKKKKKK
F5-ing the Astonishing page 10 times per second... :caffeine: :caffeine:
As Mrs. Setlist would say: RSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRS!!! :biggrin:Lol. Or as we say in my land: HUEHUEHUE.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
This gonna be very obvious but we will have to wait until tomorrow for an update, right?
Lol. Or as we say in my land: HUEHUEHUE.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
RMGadelha e Sacul são BR? KKKKKKKK
(https://sites.levelupgames.com.br/forum/combatarms/attachment.php?attachmentid=4072&d=1412439998)
F5-ing the Astonishing page 10 times per second... :caffeine: :caffeine:
Not sure if I should say it out loud so I'll stay as vague as possible to not piss off anybody but... a coworker of mine is in the italian fanclub, or he was in the italian fanclub and he stayed in touch with the people there (I remember he told me he listened to Scenes from a Memory at a release party standing next to Petrucci). He showed me a screenshot of a comment that was forwarded to him. What comment? well, a comment about what we all long for, I'll say no more :biggrin:
Now, PLEASE: Do not read this as a suggestion that something is or may be out there. Far from it. Whatever is being shared with selected people I'm pretty sure that is very guarded. But maybe the time where we'll get some endorsed and approved early reviews may be not terribly distant in the future.
Again, innocent trivia of info, "something is moving on all fronts" kind of thing, not wanting to piss anyone off!
This gonna be very obvious but we will have to wait until tomorrow for an update, right?
Depends when your tomorrow is. I mean, it's already tomorrow in Australia. There's still 4h25m left until tomorrow here.
Not sure if I should say it out loud so I'll stay as vague as possible to not piss off anybody but... a coworker of mine is in the italian fanclub, or he was in the italian fanclub and he stayed in touch with the people there (I remember he told me he listened to Scenes from a Memory at a release party standing next to Petrucci). He showed me a screenshot of a comment that was forwarded to him. What comment? well, a comment about what we all long for, I'll say no more :biggrin:But if reviews came out before all the reveals of characters etc, wouldn't that ruin revealing them? I'm sure any review would be full of spoilers about the story, right?
Now, PLEASE: Do not read this as a suggestion that something is or may be out there. Far from it. Whatever is being shared with selected people I'm pretty sure that is very guarded. But maybe the time where we'll get some endorsed and approved early reviews may be not terribly distant in the future.
Again, innocent trivia of info, "something is moving on all fronts" kind of thing, not wanting to piss anyone off!
Not sure if I should say it out loud so I'll stay as vague as possible to not piss off anybody but... a coworker of mine is in the italian fanclub, or he was in the italian fanclub and he stayed in touch with the people there (I remember he told me he listened to Scenes from a Memory at a release party standing next to Petrucci). He showed me a screenshot of a comment that was forwarded to him. What comment? well, a comment about what we all long for, I'll say no more :biggrin:
Now, PLEASE: Do not read this as a suggestion that something is or may be out there. Far from it. Whatever is being shared with selected people I'm pretty sure that is very guarded. But maybe the time where we'll get some endorsed and approved early reviews may be not terribly distant in the future.
Again, innocent trivia of info, "something is moving on all fronts" kind of thing, not wanting to piss anyone off!
But if reviews came out before all the reveals of characters etc, wouldn't that ruin revealing them? I'm sure any review would be full of spoilers about the story, right?
Hmm, very curious, because I know that the italian fanclub doesn't have anything...
NOMACtavariopolis!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/SetlistScotty/stupid%20fun.jpg)
MirrorMask: would you mind sending this information on pm?
MirrorMask: would you mind sending this information on pm?
Done. Thanks for enligthening me in the reply, early reviews are bound to arrive sooner or later but I don't think they're just around the corner now. Back to waiting for the next update of the tracklist! :D
No, guys, DT isn't doing a country folk bebop album...
What if it was a death metal polka album with acid jazz accents?No, guys, DT isn't doing a country folk bebop album...I am now highly disappointed. :tdwn
What if it was a death metal polka album with acid jazz accents?
What if it was a death metal polka album with acid jazz accents?No, guys, DT isn't doing a country folk bebop album...I am now highly disappointed. :tdwn
Since we're probably going to have small instrumental interludes between different songs, I would really like to have some of them performed by one instrument only. Something like JP for parts connected with the GNE, JM for RRM, JR for the Chosen One, MM for NOMACS.
I would be eager to know especially what JM would come up with, in case he had to write a bass-solo interlude.
Then these themes could resurface, combined together, in the actual songs.
Or, you know, it's actually possible that the album is just shorter songs. 20 songs on 74 minutes (redbook standard) gives us a little over 3.5 minutes per song. I'll assume that the NOMAC symbol tracks are shorter "intermissions", and that some fuse together like through my words - fatal tragedy. Considering it's a rock opera, this makes sense. I don't think there will be much of any instrumentals, excepting the overture and the entr'acte. I think we'll definitively see a lot of reoccuring themes, as is normal in rock operas. Remember, what we know about this album is that it'll basically be nothing like the other DT albums.
Wait, no update today? Wha? :huh:
BTW, anyone notice our snazzy new splash page?
How far back do the splash pages with a nod to the previous album go? I know there was one for ADToE, but I can't remember if Black Clouds got one, and I wasn't around before that album.
Wait, no update today? Wha? :huh:
Why do people think there is going to be an update today? We just got something yesterday. It is a long time until album release, and trust me when I say that there are a LOT of planned releases of info, in various forms. But we are not going to get info every day, and there isn't really a strict pattern (for example, every Tuesday and Thursday) for release of info. But we have gotten a lot for how early it is, and there is definitely more coming. Keep checking back here and checking your email, Twitter feed, and other sources.
BTW, anyone notice our snazzy new splash page?
How far back do the splash pages with a nod to the previous album go? I know there was one for ADToE, but I can't remember if Black Clouds got one, and I wasn't around before that album.
Got curious about this too... Can we see the older splash pages? ;D
and hugh syme is doing the production work
and hugh syme is doing the production work
and hugh syme is doing the production work
So the new album will be entirely made of song sections cut and pasted from previous Dream Theater albums?
I keep imagining JP and JR checking this thread and seeing all the anxious people and going like: LOL :rollin
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise Machine
Nice catch.
The "s" should still be lowercase, though!
I don't think so. Look, NOMACS is not an acronym, it's an abbreviation ; with the other letters as capital letters, I don't see why the "s" shouldn't be a capital letter as well.
B.Lee
Thanks as always to our very own XJDenton.
I'm curious... is there anything about this album we all want it the same in this forum? Even metropolis part 3 is not a consensus. By the way, personally I hope it's not the case.
How many records would the vinyl version be? 5? 6?
I guess 3. TFK's Stardust We Are is crammed full of music, and the vinyl version of that is 3 discs. ß
The Astonishing Chapter?and hugh syme is doing the production work
So the new album will be entirely made of song sections cut and pasted from previous Dream Theater albums?
Not just Dream Theater albums :neverusethis: Circus Maximus too !
I'm curious... is there anything about this album we all want it the same in this forum? Even metropolis part 3 is not a consensus. By the way, personally I hope it's not the case.
So now we know, NOMAC = Noise Machine
Nice catch.
The "s" should still be lowercase, though!
I don't think so. Look, NOMACS is not an acronym, it's an abbreviation ; with the other letters as capital letters, I don't see why the "s" shouldn't be a capital letter as well.
B.Lee
Even if it's an abbreviation (and not an acronym), the "s" should be lower case.
A release date would be nice as well.
Let's ask Lars Ulrich !
" Um..I can tell you that um...it's y'know...coming...It'll be here before you know it...And Um...Like...we're working on it...We're progressing shall we say ? And Um... Um.... we're taking our time..
..it's all good. t's all good. But first we have to find Kirk's lost iPhone ... "
"This new album is definitely not like anything else we’ve done before"Even though we know this album will be a bit diffrent given what we've seen from their PR campaign, seeing these quotes makes me even more excited.
"The new album will be a further progression of the band's creative identity"
How far back do the splash pages with a nod to the previous album go? I know there was one for ADToE, but I can't remember if Black Clouds got one, and I wasn't around before that album.Black Clouds was the first.
You gotta pay the troll toll, if you want to get into that boy's hole!
I would have thought that since the discography section is SC themed that it would have gone at least that far back, no?How far back do the splash pages with a nod to the previous album go? I know there was one for ADToE, but I can't remember if Black Clouds got one, and I wasn't around before that album.Black Clouds was the first.
*snip*
Your soul better belong to Jesus because your ass belongs to me!Aaah now I know where Megadeth got their inspiration.
*snip*
You're so vain. I bet you think this album is about you.
This is all I can think of when I imagine how NOMACS will sound. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljnT49jU9vM)
I bet Nafaryus and Arhys are brothers.
This is all I can think of when I imagine how NOMACS will sound. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljnT49jU9vM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs
This is all I can think of when I imagine how NOMACS will sound. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljnT49jU9vM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs
I actually thought of Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music (although I really hope it doesn't sound any close to that).
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/10153100545757181
'time is getting short'
Hmm, I know this is probably a generic phrase to continue the hype, but it's getting me optimistic for a big update within the next week (I'm thinking artwork and full tracklist).
I'm thinking the sound at 18:35 in A Change of Seasons.I'm almost positive I know what you are talking about without time checking. Let's see.
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/10153100545757181Yea, generic for sure. But it makes me wonder because we're due for an update, if their previous update schedule is anything to trust. I really hope we get the artwork and the full tracklist. Maybe even the release date. That's really all I want. I can live with the rest of the concept being revealed piece by piece.
'time is getting short'
Hmm, I know this is probably a generic phrase to continue the hype, but it's getting me optimistic for a big update within the next week (I'm thinking artwork and full tracklist).
I suppose we'll get the tracklist piece by piece as they're doing now. What should they release 5 songs at a time and then go "uh, whatever, here's the whole thing"? (assuming that the second act has a similar amount of tracks, not exactly 20 but not certainly just 7 or 8)
I'm thinking the sound at 18:35 in A Change of Seasons.Reminded me of Fates Warning's Disconnected.
I'm thinking the sound at 18:35 in A Change of Seasons.I'm almost positive I know what you are talking about without time checking. Let's see.
Yup. Right on the money. That sound was so perfect the first time that your short description is all that is needed. Even if you never broke down ACOS by time in any manner prior.
EDIT: Also, maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but have the NOMAC's eyes always pulsated like that?
The more I think about it, the more I think Brave New World is one of the sources of inspiration for this album. There's a lot of similarities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
Six Degrees of Astonishing Thoughtbulence... :omg: :omg: :omg:
That the album will be set in the future is confirmed.
That the album will be set in the future is confirmed.I guess what I meant is that it might be set in the year 2285.
That the album will be set in the future is confirmed.I guess what I meant is that it might be set in the year 2285.
Just throwing this out there...
How would you feel if the first three tracks of the next LP were similar to the first three on DT12?
A more expanded FASuite (similar to Six Degrees) , sets a mood and is the overture of course. TEInside....the harsh, oppressive 'regime'. And then TLGlass...the upbeat response from the (I assume) oppressed.
It wouldn't make for a bad start....or would it?
So the NOMACs are spreading the Empire's music and Arhys doesn't like that.
I'm thinking the sound at 18:35 in A Change of Seasons.I'm almost positive I know what you are talking about without time checking. Let's see.
Yup. Right on the money. That sound was so perfect the first time that your short description is all that is needed. Even if you never broke down ACOS by time in any manner prior.
that sound in that part is one of the best things DT has ever done
Another fake on Youtube. Someone on twitter linked me and said " it has James on it though ! "
Disabled comments is never a good sign !
But one Siri query later and he tells me it's Red Barchette by James LaBrie & Steve Morse from 1996 !
:lol
I wouldn't recognize any Rush song, although I still wouldn't get fooled by anything up on Youtube.
I wouldn't recognize any Rush song, although I still wouldn't get fooled by anything up on Youtube.
Octavarium was leaked in an unfinished version (the end to the octavarium track finishes differently from the cd version).
IF there were to be a leak on youtube, it would be gone within a few hours after people discovered it. Plus any leak at this point in time would be traceable by the record company, so whoever leaks any music will be sued.
IF there were to be a leak on youtube, it would be gone within a few hours after people discovered it. Plus any leak at this point in time would be traceable by the record company, so whoever leaks any music will be sued.
This is why I think people who pre-order the album should get the same advance copy that reviewers, etc get as it can be traced if leaked. It drives me nuts that I pay for a release and have to wait to hear it while reviewers get to hear it 1 to 2 months in advance for free. I understand they are trying to get press for the album but who better to hype the album than the fans. If they offered fans who pre-ordered the chance to hear it when they pre-order they would sell more of those.
I understand they are trying to get press for the album but who better to hype the album than the fans.
Hope we get an update tomorrow. First one in a week if we do.
Of course, being a week without a track update while it was originally done every monday and tuesday could mean that the tracklisting is already complete, but personally I don't think so.
While we wait for anotherwonupdate, here are some venezuelan guys doing a brutal tribute to Metropolis WITH ORCHESTRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqLoGoeOcg
I'm wondering if there will be a more obvious inclusion of the Majesty symbol. I can see how the NOMAC looks a bit like it from behind, but from the front it looks nothing like it.
While we wait for anotherwonupdate, here are some venezuelan guys doing a brutal tribute to Metropolis WITH ORCHESTRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqLoGoeOcg
That sound is grinding my skull. :blush
I'm not sure if this would count as a leak, but I found this off of this website (https://dreamtheater.com.ve/) (which seems relatively official) and one of the thumbnails look like this:
(https://dreamtheater.com.ve/files/23c6a15aa8.jpg)
It looks like the posters and the facebook / twitter header but it has both a smaller distance between the NOMAC and title and no red 'live'. While I'm not going to jump to conclusions (and won't put this on my info thread), I wouldn't be that surprised if this was what the the album cover looked like (though obviously with an equal height and width). It could also just be someone lifting the NOMAC up in one of the posters (like this: https://www.triffidanddanger.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/TADC_DreamTheater_Web.jpg) over the other details.
That image is photoshopped. Look at these:
*snip*
EDIT: looking at it closely, I think that could be the NOMAC in the dreamtheater.net/theastonishing web, though. Oh well.
The background, the NOMAC, the logos... it was al taken from the official DT web ( https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishingtour , it shows a "Not Authorized" message now) I myself did a version of that one (more polished if you ask me :P ) and it's the one I use as profile picture for my fan-page:
*snip*
Still think it'll be a bit more detailed than that by such a good artist
What am I looking at?
What am I looking at?
Your computer screen.
What am I looking at?
Your computer screen.
I thought it was a window. ??? You mean this isn't real life?
Well, among new character reveal, new map section, new tracks and some track-lengths, the new map section is the thing I wasn't excited about at all. But hey, that's something.
14. Astonishing
10. Whispers on the Wind
3. As The Wind Blows
5. The Path That Divides
12. Crossed Paths & iv. The Path Less Travelled
9. Losing Faythe
...some track-lengths...
...some track-lengths...
Wait, am I missing something?
...some track-lengths...
Wait, am I missing something?
11. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
I predict this song will be fucking awesome
9. Losing Faythe
Spoiler?
...some track-lengths...
Wait, am I missing something?
Damn, that's got to be a wrap for the tracklisting with 11 new titles. I don't think anyone initially expected 34 tracks. Didn't expect a title track either, especially because we haven't had one since Octavarium and concept albums don't tend to have them as far as I know.
Ah, okay.
Also, it looks more and more that those NOMAC symbols indicate short transitions between tracks. "Machine Chatter" doesn't seem like a good song title.
5 :nomac: Tracks.
13th album.
NUGGETZ
I think the track list is not yet complete.
The Astonishing was fine and kinda cool. Just "Astonishing" doenst work for me a song title. Its just... doesnt flow.
All in all cool titles, Im highly hyped for this album.
The Astonishing was fine and kinda cool. Just "Astonishing" doenst work for me a song title. Its just... doesnt flow.
All in all cool titles, Im highly hyped for this album.
I still think it works.
it's like " Rapture " or " Subjugation " ..
Prepare for Astonishing !!
I think Astonishing will either be a long finale type song a la Finally Free or a really short wrap-up type song a la Easter Egg.
34 tracks on a DT album!!!!!!
Really, really hyped!
I think the tracklist is complete by now. Next updates might envolve the map, the characters and the videos. I'm really looking forward to hear a few bits of this album :metal
:hefdaddy Please Jesus - let the two videos be 30 minutes each and be the making of The Astonishing part 1 & 2 Studio Vids.
The new map piece looks interesting. I could only make out New PavonyaI'll add Victory Isleland and Endless Isleland to that, is Isleland some ancient/futuristic way of spelling island?
I'll be a bit disappointed if there's no DVD with this album. Surely this album is crying out for one.
Really, really hyped!
I think the tracklist is complete by now. Next updates might envolve the map, the characters and the videos. I'm really looking forward to hear a few bits of this album :metal
:hefdaddy Please Jesus - let the two videos be 30 minutes each and be the making of The Astonishing part 1 & 2 Studio Vids.
If Astonishing is a +20 min song, mark my fucking words: it's going to be as great song as Octavarium/ACOS
By the way, remember venue promoters said concert will last 2h40min? Now I guess whole album will last that long, 80 min both disks. I also guess they will incorporate something great in the concerts (live choir/orchestra) since the tickets are very expensive...
:hefdaddy Please Jesus - let the two videos be 30 minutes each and be the making of The Astonishing part 1 & 2 Studio Vids.
Yes, please. These are so great. The SC one has helped me through some boring times.
34 tracks on a DT album!!!!!!
FTFY. If there were 34 songs - each song would have to be 2minutes 20 seconds each.
Arhys seems to have some facial similarities to Emperor Nafaryus. I predict it's his son.
34 tracks on a DT album!!!!!!
FTFY. If there were 34 songs - each song would have to be 2minutes 20 seconds each.
??? How do you figure? Is there anywhere that says "Albums MUST BE THIS LENGTH"
''Great People, I am Arhys, Son of Marhys, one of the three remaining, heirs........
Haven't we already seen Arhys?
Haven't we already seen Arhys?
not legally
This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics.
I'm pretty sure nobody cares but I just saw the information about the new album and I feel like I have to vent. I've been a DT fan since the very early days when they toured small clubs (or not at all at times). Some albums are part of my favorite music, others are alright. Very few I don't like at all - I didn't like the last one and I never understood the hype around Scenes from a Memory. A few good songs, awful concept based on one of the most ridiculous movies ever. Can't listen to that album. Without going further down that rabbit hole - I think the new album will top everything else in that vein as far as ridiculousness goes (and I'll include KISS The Elder in that...). I can't stand all the hobbit, Tolkien, dwarf & sword stuff. I can't stand video games. This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics. And I also suspect that Jordan Rudess went in to program a bunch of fake symphony orchestras again like on Six Degrees and the last album that completely ruin it for me. I liked DT better before he joined. He's a great player but I don't think much of his sounds.
Sorry, just had to get this out of my system since it's always sad to kind of lose a favorite band.
This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics.
Then don't, and never ever find out if you may like the album after all.
:P
I never understood the hype around Scenes from a Memory. A few good songs, awful concept based on one of the most ridiculous movies ever. Can't listen to that album. Without going further down that rabbit hole - I think the new album will top everything else in that vein as far as ridiculousness goes (and I'll include KISS The Elder in that...). I can't stand all the hobbit, Tolkien, dwarf & sword stuff. I can't stand video games. This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics. And I also suspect that Jordan Rudess went in to program a bunch of fake symphony orchestras again like on Six Degrees and the last album that completely ruin it for me. I liked DT better before he joined. He's a great player but I don't think much of his sounds.
I'm pretty sure nobody cares but I just saw the information about the new album and I feel like I have to vent. I've been a DT fan since the very early days when they toured small clubs (or not at all at times). Some albums are part of my favorite music, others are alright. Very few I don't like at all - I didn't like the last one and I never understood the hype around Scenes from a Memory. A few good songs, awful concept based on one of the most ridiculous movies ever. Can't listen to that album. Without going further down that rabbit hole - I think the new album will top everything else in that vein as far as ridiculousness goes (and I'll include KISS The Elder in that...). I can't stand all the hobbit, Tolkien, dwarf & sword stuff. I can't stand video games. This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics. And I also suspect that Jordan Rudess went in to program a bunch of fake symphony orchestras again like on Six Degrees and the last album that completely ruin it for me. I liked DT better before he joined. He's a great player but I don't think much of his sounds.
Sorry, just had to get this out of my system since it's always sad to kind of lose a favorite band.
Mike?
Haven't we already seen Arhys?
not legally
I see. I was not aware. How was the picture found?
I see. I was not aware. How was the picture found?Someone guessed the filename.
I see. I was not aware. How was the picture found?Someone guessed the filename.
I remember on the Iron Maiden website when the greatest hits Edward the Great was coming out, they posted the top half of the cover, something like blablablaurl/tophalf.jpg. Someone looked up for the picture named topbottom.jpg and it was a white image with "Sorry, we're not THAT dumb" written over it ;D
I never understood the hype around Scenes from a Memory. A few good songs, awful concept based on one of the most ridiculous movies ever. Can't listen to that album. Without going further down that rabbit hole - I think the new album will top everything else in that vein as far as ridiculousness goes (and I'll include KISS The Elder in that...). I can't stand all the hobbit, Tolkien, dwarf & sword stuff. I can't stand video games. This has Game of Thrones cr*p written all over it already - I don't even want to hear the music and lyrics. And I also suspect that Jordan Rudess went in to program a bunch of fake symphony orchestras again like on Six Degrees and the last album that completely ruin it for me. I liked DT better before he joined. He's a great player but I don't think much of his sounds.
Not even gonna comment on how close-minded I find this entire paragraph.
Well. DT has done their balls to the walls metal album. They've done the prog album. But the album they've never done is the power ballad album. I think we're there now. Power Ballad Musical.
I can't work out if you're playing along or thought noxon was serious...Well. DT has done their balls to the walls metal album. They've done the prog album. But the album they've never done is the power ballad album. I think we're there now. Power Ballad Musical.
That's because they do Metal, and Prog.. They're a prog metal band.. And if they've never done a power ballad album, is because... wait a second... they're not a power ballad band..
Of course that that would be cool I guess, and they would shine with something like that but I don't see that happening at all.. Besides: it's not confirmed that it would be a (prog) ROCK (metal too I hope) OPERA?..
So I guess Faythe may be the chosen one and her death will somehow bring everyone together... or something like that.
So I guess Faythe may be the chosen one and her death will somehow bring everyone together... or something like that.
Arhys said in the first e-mail that the chosen one was his "brother".
I can't work out if you're playing along or thought noxon was serious...Well. DT has done their balls to the walls metal album. They've done the prog album. But the album they've never done is the power ballad album. I think we're there now. Power Ballad Musical.
That's because they do Metal, and Prog.. They're a prog metal band.. And if they've never done a power ballad album, is because... wait a second... they're not a power ballad band..
Of course that that would be cool I guess, and they would shine with something like that but I don't see that happening at all.. Besides: it's not confirmed that it would be a (prog) ROCK (metal too I hope) OPERA?..
So I guess Faythe may be the chosen one and her death will somehow bring everyone together... or something like that.
Arhys said in the first e-mail that the chosen one was his "brother".
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list. But there is still lots of other information planned for release, so stay tuned...
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list.
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list. But there is still lots of other information planned for release, so stay tuned...
Nice, I'm eager to see what's around the corner.
Cool. I'm most eager for the track lengths and album art next.
''Great People, I am Arhys, Son of Marhys, one of the three remaining, heirs........
I can't tell you in terms of the substance (well, I could tell you, but then I'd be in a lot of trouble, so I won't). But in terms of timing, you can expect pretty much the same schedule: more info every few days for the next little while.
Arhys is one handsome dude.
So I guess Faythe may be the chosen one and her death will somehow bring everyone together... or something like that.
And now that the tracklist is most likely finally all revealed, I'm really looking forward to all the other stuff they have in store for us!
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list.
I feel like we're about to enter a bosk vs noxon battle for who can generate the most hype with hints at their insider knowledge. :lolNice, either way, us (the fanbase) wins.
I feel like we're about to enter a bosk vs noxon battle for who can generate the most hype with hints at their insider knowledge. :lol
Arhys seems to have some facial similarities to Emperor Nafaryus. I predict it's his son.
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list. But there is still lots of other information planned for release, so stay tuned...
If Arhys' father is called Marhys, what are the odds that his son (in a hypothetical future beyond this album) would be called Rhys?It would make more sense that Arhys' mother would be Marhys and his father would be Parhys.
i know nothing (said as Emanuel from fawlty towers)
So I guess Faythe may be the chosen one and her death will somehow bring everyone together... or something like that.
Arhys said in the first e-mail that the chosen one was his "brother".
What I will say, with all the characters, maps, story etc, is that the CD booklet will have to be like a short novel...
First people were complaining about it being "The" Astonishing, now they're complaining about the track simply being "Astonishing". You can't win. :lol
First people were complaining about it being "The" Astonishing, now they're complaining about the track simply being "Astonishing". You can't win. :lol
Except they weren't the same people.. But yeah..
You can't have it both ways.. And when you can, things like these happen.. :lol
I hope these 34 tracks are spread out across three or four CDs. :lol :lol
For those asking about the track listing, yes, we now have the complete track list.
Thanks Bosk for the facts! :tup
I hope these 34 tracks are spread out across three or four CDs. :lol :lol
I think they almost have to be. Even for 2 CDs the average song length would be only 4.7 minutes.
Regardless, I'm proud of DT for tackling something this huge.
They will play the entire disc 1 as Act I and 2 as Act II with The Bigger Picture/Surrender to Reason as first encores and then something else to end.
Itd still be nice to have songs that are well over 8 minutes. Longer songs stick out to me way more.I hope these 34 tracks are spread out across three or four CDs. :lol :lol
I think they almost have to be. Even for 2 CDs the average song length would be only 4.7 minutes.
Regardless, I'm proud of DT for tackling something this huge.
The more I think about it, the more I think Brave New World is one of the sources of inspiration for this album. There's a lot of similarities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
4. Begin Again
5. The Path That Divides
6. Machine Chatter
7. The Walking Shadow
8. My Last Farewell
9. Losing Faythe
10. Whispers on the Wind
11. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
12. Our New World
13. Power Down
14. Astonishing
I hope these 34 tracks are spread out across three or four CDs. :lol :lol
I think they almost have to be. Even for 2 CDs the average song length would be only 4.7 minutes.
Regardless, I'm proud of DT for tackling something this huge.
I hope for no narrative tracks. Semi spoken word set to music okay, but not only spoken word. I've seen somebody mention it in this thread, but there's a rockopera called Genius. Which has awesome vocalists, but horrible production and yes, every track is followed by a deep voice stating exactly wat has happened and what is going to happen. It makes it all too obvious.
Not saying that it could't be done better than that of course.
I don't like cheese in metal. With the long hair, black clothes, \m/ stuff and all. I like over the top-ness in other styles of music though. I rarely like serious pop music, I often like pop music that doesn't take itself too serious, that tries to be over the top. Like the rappers that are really really gangster, admitting that they're trying hard to be like that. Rap cheese. I like blues guitar players that are non-serious over the top too. Blues Cheese (yes, pun intended). But cheese metal, nah.Any particular reason for that distinction?
I don't like cheese in metal. With the long hair, black clothes, \m/ stuff and all. I like over the top-ness in other styles of music though. I rarely like serious pop music, I often like pop music that doesn't take itself too serious, that tries to be over the top. Like the rappers that are really really gangster, admitting that they're trying hard to be like that. Rap cheese. I like blues guitar players that are non-serious over the top too. Blues Cheese (yes, pun intended). But cheese metal, nah.Any particular reason for that distinction?
They will play the entire disc 1 as Act I and 2 as Act II with The Bigger Picture/Surrender to Reason as first encores and then something else to end.
Unless both CDs are full length in which it will probably just be the new album.
if the album is longer than around 140 minutes I would just want to hear that fully on it's own. I think a random DT track that is not associated with the concept album will take a little from the experience. It's like reading through a book with an unrelated chapter at the end.
This was the main reason I didn't get tickets, I already thought it was kinda expensive (which was to be expected by the venues they're playing + potential orchestra included), but how odd it may sound, I want to know what kind of show I'm going to, I don't mind not knowing the setlist, hell, that makes it even better, but I want to atleast have a taste of what I can expect.if the album is longer than around 140 minutes I would just want to hear that fully on it's own. I think a random DT track that is not associated with the concept album will take a little from the experience. It's like reading through a book with an unrelated chapter at the end.
I don't go to live shows for one book. And what if you don't even like that one book? I don't like the idea of an entire show being one album at all, especially when it's not a "classic album".
This was the main reason I didn't get tickets, I already thought it was kinda expensive (which was to be expected by the venues they're playing + potential orchestra included), but how odd it may sound, I want to know what kind of show I'm going to, I don't mind not knowing the setlist, hell, that makes it even better, but I want to atleast have a taste of what I can expect.if the album is longer than around 140 minutes I would just want to hear that fully on it's own. I think a random DT track that is not associated with the concept album will take a little from the experience. It's like reading through a book with an unrelated chapter at the end.
I don't go to live shows for one book. And what if you don't even like that one book? I don't like the idea of an entire show being one album at all, especially when it's not a "classic album".
This was the main reason I didn't get tickets, I already thought it was kinda expensive (which was to be expected by the venues they're playing + potential orchestra included), but how odd it may sound, I want to know what kind of show I'm going to, I don't mind not knowing the setlist, hell, that makes it even better, but I want to atleast have a taste of what I can expect.
Yea I'm almost certain that I would enjoy the concert a lot if I would go, but my main activity during a concert is usually shouting along the lyrics as loud as possible, so this would definitely be something else for a change.This was the main reason I didn't get tickets, I already thought it was kinda expensive (which was to be expected by the venues they're playing + potential orchestra included), but how odd it may sound, I want to know what kind of show I'm going to, I don't mind not knowing the setlist, hell, that makes it even better, but I want to atleast have a taste of what I can expect.
You could look at it like you might if your favorite stage troop were putting on a new, original production.
In fact, I get the feeling that is the way DT are actually looking at this project. The music, the stage production, the story and performance as a whole experience. Like you would just buy the album on the way of the theater so you could relive the experience.
if the album is longer than around 140 minutes I would just want to hear that fully on it's own. I think a random DT track that is not associated with the concept album will take a little from the experience. It's like reading through a book with an unrelated chapter at the end.
I don't go to live shows for one book. And what if you don't even like that one book? I don't like the idea of an entire show being one album at all, especially when it's not a "classic album".
I wouldn't dare missing this show. It's a make or break moment for DT. It's like having the opportunity to be there when Pink Floyd played The Wall in its entirety the first time. I'm not sure it'd be as interesting to see "Jordan Rudess plays The Astonishing" 20 years from now ;)
Since I am a DT fan going back to 1992, no matter that I haven't heard this new album yet -
If I had access to these shows, no way in fucking hell would I miss them.
*snip*
So much for original ideas. Not looking forward to this album even in the slightest.
Before any other matters, just wanted to inform you that Emperor Nafaryus is starring in new Dark Moor's official video "Imperial Earth". Go watch it! (or could I link the video?) ;D
That tweet from Arhys isn't new. It was tweeted yesterday, not long after all the new info was revealed.New for me, lol. Yesterday is a short time ago.
That tweet from Arhys isn't new. It was tweeted yesterday, not long after all the new info was revealed.New for me, lol. Yesterday is a short time ago.
[off topic]Noxon, I friended you last night, in case you didn't see. Since your entire page seems to be in Norwegian, I'm not sure how helpful it will be to me, but still. :lol [/off topic]
I bought 2 tickets for the friday show in Oslo, 2 tickets for the saturday show, 2 tickets for the sunday show, and a meet and greet pass for the sunday show...
I bought 2 tickets for the friday show in Oslo, 2 tickets for the saturday show, 2 tickets for the sunday show, and a meet and greet pass for the sunday show...
No, he's not.I bought 2 tickets for the friday show in Oslo, 2 tickets for the saturday show, 2 tickets for the sunday show, and a meet and greet pass for the sunday show...
you're joking....... aren't you? :omg:
No, he's not.I bought 2 tickets for the friday show in Oslo, 2 tickets for the saturday show, 2 tickets for the sunday show, and a meet and greet pass for the sunday show...
you're joking....... aren't you? :omg:
With the amount of tracks we have now, assuming each act is a separate CD, then none of the tracks here will be too terribly long, an astonishing change of pace for DT.
I'm thinking it's songs between 2 and 6 minutes, all of them. Excepting maybe a longer one on disc two which'll act as a winddown track (similar to finally free on sfam, i'm thinking).
To reach 20, or even 17 [tracks] (take away the three NOMACS tracks) you still don't have lot of room for DT standards.
Even for 2 CDs the average song length would be only 4.7 minutes.
Itd still be nice to have songs that are well over 8 minutes. Longer songs stick out to me way more.
Why would I joke? I've been doing the fanclub for like 13 years now, I wouldn't be doing that if I was not dedicated ;)
I guess each CD will be 70 minutes long, so the whole Astonishing Live show will last approximately 2:40 hours (with intermissions and breaks included, I guess). That, plus a couple of encores (hopefully The Bigger Picture or a song that hasn't been played yet) makes the whole evening show.
Anyone notice how there's a "[something] Yorke" in the new map snippet, and a Long ... err ... "Endless Isleland" to the northeast of it?
Anyone notice how there's a "[something] Yorke" in the new map snippet, and a Long ... err ... "Endless Isleland" to the northeast of it?
Yorkie Land. Chocolate Guitar Tone Confirmed.
I bought 2 tickets for the friday show in Oslo, 2 tickets for the saturday show, 2 tickets for the sunday show, and a meet and greet pass for the sunday show...
Anyone notice how there's a "[something] Yorke" in the new map snippet, and a Long ... err ... "Endless Isleland" to the northeast of it?
The fact that the shows will be such a special and probably a unique experience made me interested in going to the Stockholm show. But it was just too much money for me to spend on Dream Theater at the moment, so I'll regretably miss this one.Exactly the same here, the prices were pretty crazy.
Ooh arr i'm from that there Eng-er-land I be.. I don't know nowt bout no New York !'ere lover, we need more o' that gurt west country talkin' round 'ere.
2 tickets, eh? I'll fly out to Oslo. However, think you could drop me off at the trailhead of Trolltunga after the shows? I'm going to have a lot of energy pent up, I think I'll have to scream on top of my lungs on that ledge.
Hey guys, newbie to the forums . . . been keeping up with this thread for new info/discussion on the album and figured I might as well just join. Super excited to hear this new album in its entirety! ;D
Anything new since yesterday's updates? Or are we just playing the waiting game again . . .
So... Previously, on DTF's The Astonishing Thread: (yeah, a reference for AMC's TWD)With the amount of tracks we have now, assuming each act is a separate CD, then none of the tracks here will be too terribly long, an astonishing change of pace for DT.I'm thinking it's songs between 2 and 6 minutes, all of them. Excepting maybe a longer one on disc two which'll act as a winddown track (similar to finally free on sfam, i'm thinking).To reach 20, or even 17 [tracks] (take away the three NOMACS tracks) you still don't have lot of room for DT standards.Even for 2 CDs the average song length would be only 4.7 minutes.Itd still be nice to have songs that are well over 8 minutes. Longer songs stick out to me way more.
Talking about full length albums (which is what they almost always have done) we actually do have room for DT standards.. And even if the "average" is 4.7 minutes, that doesn't mean they have to be all 3 to 5 minute songs, and not even 2 to 6, or 1 to 7..
With a full length double-album, we might still have something like this:
ACT I - 20 tracks
-Seven 1 minute songs (intro and short interludes, not like SFaM I'd say, but like 8V's negative times)
-Five 2 minute songs (shorts but with JLB, like Regression, TMW or WIMH)
-Three 3 minute songs (short instrumental -probably the overture-, and/or songs like Vacant or TSM)
-Two 5-6 minute songs (DT actually has a lot of these kind of songs)
-One 7-8 minute song (even more average DT song's length)
-One 11-13 minute song (we do need some of these, and there's room for it)
-One 17-20 minute song (and there's even room for an epic)
Total length: from 71 to 79 minutes..
ACT II - 14 tracks
-Four 1 minute songs
-Two 2 minute songs
-One 3 minute song
-Three 5-6 minute songs
-Two 7-8 minute songs
-One 11-13 minute song
-One 17-21 minute song
Total length: from 68 to 79 minutes..
Hey guys, newbie to the forums . . . been keeping up with this thread for new info/discussion on the album and figured I might as well just join. Super excited to hear this new album in its entirety! ;D
Anything new since yesterday's updates? Or are we just playing the waiting game again . . .
Bosk says there will continue to be updates every few days.
Cool thanks for the facts!
*snip*
So much for original ideas. Not looking forward to this album even in the slightest.
Says it isn't original. Hasn't heard one note or one lyric. Seems legit.
Also, I'll just go ahead and post the new tweet from Arhys:
"Heed not the deceit, The Empire has marked your commander as an outlaw. No amount of lies can stop us!"
Cool thanks for the facts!
FTFY !
( forum meme ) ;D
Or post something like this,
Thanks to Kotowboy for posting about that fact! :lol
haha I see now . . . Yep thanks to Kotowboy! :lol
And yet another internet thread I've somehow managed to move completely off topic - sorry bout that xD
Anyways really cool forum you all have here, def gonna stick around a while longer!
Now back to the DT album discussion ;)
haha I see now . . . Yep thanks to Kotowboy! :lol
And yet another internet thread I've somehow managed to move completely off topic - sorry bout that xD
Anyways really cool forum you all have here, def gonna stick around a while longer!
Now back to the DT album discussion ;)
What are your thoughts on the concept of the album? It seems to be a really divisive thing where most people either embrace it or hate it with very few people in the middle. I embrace the idea as I like Rhapsody of Fire, so concept cheese is hardly going to bother me if the music is awesome.
You just missed the album discussion, need to go back about 45 pages for that.
Yeah I've seen some of the arguments on here :lol
I'm always excited for a concept album - as soon as I heard this would be one it was like a dream come true (as I am a younger fan and was very young at the time SFaM came out). To be honest I'm not the hugest fan of sci-fi stuff and the like, but you know what it's Dream Theater - I know they're going to do something awesome with it. So I'm excited not just for the music, but the story as well. Just like Symphony X with all the mythological stuff - that might not be some people's thing but the music is so good it kind of makes you a fan of the story anyways. So yes I'm embracing it - can't wait till they reveal more of the story!
haha I see now . . . Yep thanks to Kotowboy! :lol
And yet another internet thread I've somehow managed to move completely off topic - sorry bout that xD
Anyways really cool forum you all have here, def gonna stick around a while longer!
Now back to the DT album discussion ;)
What are your thoughts on the concept of the album? It seems to be a really divisive thing where most people either embrace it or hate it with very few people in the middle. I embrace the idea as I like Rhapsody of Fire, so concept cheese is hardly going to bother me if the music is awesome.
It's interesting how with many concept albums, on paper they sound either ridiculous or impossible to pull off but the end result is always enhanced so much by the quality of the music. I bet this will be the case for the new album.
I don't care if it's a concept album if the songs and production are both great.
I really, really hope they plan on bringing a full "Astonishing" show to the state, especially if there's an orchestra/etc. involved with the live production. However, judging by where they're playing in Europe, I have little faith that they'll decide to hit the southeast US this time around...
I really, really hope they plan on bringing a full "Astonishing" show to the state, especially if there's an orchestra/etc. involved with the live production. However, judging by where they're playing in Europe, I have little faith that they'll decide to hit the southeast US this time around...
No, they will be touring the same cities as last year in the US, then fly over the Southeast US to Cuba, then to Central and South America. ;D I have faith that they will hit Atlanta this time.
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
I really, really hope they plan on bringing a full "Astonishing" show to the state, especially if there's an orchestra/etc. involved with the live production. However, judging by where they're playing in Europe, I have little faith that they'll decide to hit the southeast US this time around...
No, they will be touring the same cities as last year in the US, then fly over the Southeast US to Cuba, then to Central and South America. ;D I have faith that they will hit Atlanta this time.
I doubt that they will bring the orchestra and everything else to my beautiful and chaotic South America though :/
Hello, I'm new here but I've been following DTF for a while and here I am.
Something I've been meaning to get an opinion on whether The Astonishing will be a sequel (of sorts) to Outcry, what are peoples thoughts on this? Because apart from the sci-fi/fantasy theme in TA, it seems to match the oppression/uprising subject.
Hello, I'm new here but I've been following DTF for a while and here I am.
Something I've been meaning to get an opinion on whether The Astonishing will be a sequel (of sorts) to Outcry, what are peoples thoughts on this? Because apart from the sci-fi/fantasy theme in TA, it seems to match the oppression/uprising subject.
The Astonishing is an analogy of how JP, JLB, JM and JR started a rebellion to get free of Portnoy's ironfist tyrannical rule.
So, the entire album is a sequel to Outcry, it wasn't Metropolis PT3, but Outcry PT2
"We suffered far too long... We gather now... Growing stronger... We will not be ignored, anymore, any longer..."
See?
*snip*
Never thought of it possibly being like that before . . . that's pretty epic!
I figured each track would be 3-5 minutes but be more like parts that seamlessly flowed together . . .
But forget that - like your idea much more!!! Two 20-minute songs on one album would be awesome ;)
(Outcry) that's my favorite song by Dream Theaterso far this decadesince MM has joined the band.
For the promo for Live at Luna Park - Over The Edge news updates would get posted here and everyone would replyActually, DT themselves wrote 'Thanks to Over the Edge for the facts!" after they posted somewhat silly facts, like: DT played two nights in Buenos Aires, with different setlists in each night!
Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts !
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
Good question.. I hope someone could answer it.. :corn
Anyone notice how there's a "[something] Yorke" in the new map snippet, and a Long ... err ... "Endless Isleland" to the northeast of it?
Yorkie Land. Chocolate Guitar Tone Confirmed.
Don't know if the allusion was clear enough, but it's obviously a "NYC with Long Island to the northeast". They are from Long Island.
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
I only knew the releasedate for SFAM so I went in to a recordstore and pixked up the album on that day.
It was only when I saw the cover that I knew it was a concept album. Smiled all the way home to the stereo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
Anyone here remembers how was it when SFAM was going to be launched?I too remember there was a confusion about Met. pt.2 being on the album and it being THE album. But when I purchased it I was aware of what it was. In my case, the fact of being a concept was overshadowed by being Metropolis pt.2. The musical concept (recurring motifs and variations of Pt. 1 throughout the whole album) was much more important to me than the lyrical, the storyline. There was so much to discover, musically.
Did you know it was concept?
How were your thoughts then about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
:getoffmylawn: you made me watch 35 seconds of an Adam Sandler movie.
:lol Never seen it, or any Adam Sandler movie past 2000.
:lol Never seen it, or any Adam Sandler movie past 2000.
:hifive:
He made movies after 2000?
He made movies?
He made movies after 2000?
It's more like he "attempted" to make movies after 2000.
I mean, other than there being blue, silver, and black on both album covers, I don't really see any similarities between Awake and DT12.
I mean, other than there being blue, silver, and black on both album covers, I don't really see any similarities between Awake and DT12.
I don´t think ADToE is a carbon copy of I&W as some people say
The fun thing about google is that they've saved all the newsgroups communications from waaaay back when.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.music.dream-theater/XpnlCNBi-yw
You can search through it to find waht people talked about during an albums release.
So here's a question . . .
Based solely on the song titles, which track off the new album do you guys want to hear the most???
And you can't say "Astonishing" because I know everyone's gonna pick that :lol So other than that one ;)
In no reality would I ever want Dream Theater to sound like Megadeth :lol
BTW i don't think that the music of new Megadeth's album compares to the beautiful cover....I like the Ghost In The Machine style LED font.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
BTW i don't think that the music of new Megadeth's album compares to the beautiful cover....
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Are there lyrics by Myung??? (Those are always my favorite songs ;) )
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
HAVE YOU NAILED THE PRODUCTION THIS TIME ?!
I'm just anxious to hear the first snippet / single.
I'm just anxious to hear the first snippet / single.
:tup to that . . . We need a single!!!
I sort of asked JP that in connection with DT12 and BTFW (although more tactfully and indirect), and the response both times was along the lines of "I think it sounds great!" So... :dunno:
Will there be any violin in ''Whispers on the Wind'' ?
*** - Standing on The Shoulder of Giants had just come out and someone asked him what it was like and he said :
" i'd give it 8 out of 10. There's two shit songs on it ".
:lol gotta love Noel.
I'll be happy if it sounds like SFAM musically.
I'm dreading a lot of medieval sounding music with lutes and flutes and shit.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Probably either how many songs over 8 minutes there are, or how continuous the tracks are.
I sort of asked JP that in connection with DT12 and BTFW (although more tactfully and indirect), and the response both times was along the lines of "I think it sounds great!" So... :dunno:
Apart from Noel Gallagher *** - i don't think i've seen any artist belittle their latest album after it's just come out.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Well, my problem with the snare isn't the sound itself, it's the fact that it's so mechanical sounding - every hit is identical. So if he's still using a triggered snare sound, I'm not too hopeful.
One thing I would like to know if with the last updates that's it for the European Tour, i.e. no Eastern Europe at all (and no South-West) or if this is just the 1st (bigger) pre-Easter go, and a second shorter will follow early April.They were in Milano in 2014 and came in Rome this year so I think they'll skip 2016. But since they're probably going to play only songs from The Astonishing maybe they'll add some dates
I secured a perfect central seat for Sat 19 in Milan, but wanted to be sure I wouldn't eventually sell it to buy a ticket in Rome in case they will come here as well later on - with same show. This leads to the doubt if it's not the case to buy NOW a discounted train ticket to Milan saving a lot of money...
Yeah you couldn't care less I know ;D , but just wanted to get your advise.
Where has Mangini talked about the drum sound on dt12? I'm curious. 'Cause that mechanical triggered snare... It's not by mistake.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Did JP used his baritone this time?
My question would be: are you sure you got enough good songs to fill 2 CDs? Hope so.
My question would be: are you sure you got enough good songs to fill 2 CDs? Hope so.
The just said the hell with it if the songs are half assed. We want to put out a double album.
I would ask since when have the ideas of the album been around, both the concept and the music. Is this album the result of jams during the previous tour? Does the story of TA involve, in some germinal stage, Portnoy?
Wouldn't it be something if we read the credits and one lyric credit said "Portnoy" on it . . .
Wouldn't it be something if we read the credits and one lyric credit said "Portnoy" on it . . .
Portnoy should co-produce.
Wouldn't it be something if we read the credits and one lyric credit said "Portnoy" on it . . .
Portnoy should co-produce.
He should do a wee bit more than that :hat
If Portnoy was involved I can't imagine him not talking about it already in his social media accounts. Unless a gag order was involved, then I guess he wouldn't talk about it. But still.
It's not even speculation. There is no way he is involved.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Did JP used his baritone this time?
If Portnoy was involved I can't imagine him not talking about it already in his social media accounts. Unless a gag order was involved, then I guess he wouldn't talk about it. But still.
Yeah you got a point there . . . I was mainly just adding to what someone else said about Portnoy being involved, all wild speculation ;D
Portnoy already went 5 years ago. ;)
Portnoy already went 5 years ago. ;)
Where?
If Portnoy was involved I can't imagine him not talking about it already in his social media accounts. Unless a gag order was involved, then I guess he wouldn't talk about it. But still.
Yeah you got a point there . . . I was mainly just adding to what someone else said about Portnoy being involved, all wild speculation ;D
I didn't mean to be a spoilsport either! Anything goes at this point ;)
My question would be: are you sure you got enough good songs to fill 2 CDs? Hope so.
The just said the hell with it if the songs are half assed. We want to put out a double album.
They wrote a normal album and quarter-assed it so it's a double album. :neverusethis:
Going back to the question about SFAM, it was nothing like this. I had no clue it was a concept album until it came out. I wasn't on the internet anywhere near as much back then so maybe it was more obvious to those who were. First thing I saw about the album was review in Classic Rock. They didn't mention that the album was a concept album and didn't mention Metropolis pt 2. Album was just referred to as Scenes From a Memory. That immediately made me think of Metropolis and when they mentioned another track called The Dance of Eternity, I got more excited. It was not until day of release that I discovered the full album was Metropolis pt 2. I phoned up HMV to check they had the new DT album and the guy looked on his computer and said "you mean Metropolis Pt 2. I left work as early as I possibly could that day!So this could be "Metropolis pt.3: The Astonishing"!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Seeing some lighting setups and stuff, are they maybe in the process of recording a video?
Plus, Jordan said it was a photo shoot. ;DYeah, suggesting otherwise is taking DTF speculation to the extreme.
Plus, Jordan said it was a photo shoot. ;DYeah, suggesting otherwise is taking DTF speculation to the extreme.
*** - Standing on The Shoulder of Giants had just come out and someone asked him what it was like and he said :
" i'd give it 8 out of 10. There's two shit songs on it ".
:lol gotta love Noel.
*** - Standing on The Shoulder of Giants had just come out and someone asked him what it was like and he said :
" i'd give it 8 out of 10. There's two shit songs on it ".
:lol gotta love Noel.
Heh...he also said that about Dig Out Your Soul. B-sides on an album just make it worse. Don't get the logic just having them as filler unless there is an album length requirement.
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
If you could ask the band one question at this stage about the new record, what would it be?
Is the volume on the new record going to be "one louder" than it was on DT12?
C SHARP POWERCHORD CONFIRMED :lol :lol :lolUnless it is in a different tuning. :P
JR also said "Scenes from a photoshoot". METROP0L1S PT. 3 CONF1MRED!!! ;DOH LORDY
C SHARP POWERCHORD CONFIRMED :lol :lol :lolUnless it is in a different tuning. :P
C SHARP POWERCHORD CONFIRMED :lol :lol :lolUnless it is in a different tuning. :P
Depends if you're one of those musicians that plays an open G shape chord in a lower tuning and still calls it a G chord ( regardless of pitch ).
C SHARP POWERCHORD CONFIRMED :lol :lol :lolUnless it is in a different tuning. :P
Depends if you're one of those musicians that plays an open G shape chord in a lower tuning and still calls it a G chord ( regardless of pitch ).
If the guitar is tuned to D std and i'm trying to teach someone a song.
I would say the chords are C G and D because it's less confusing than saying Bb, F and C .
If the guitar is tuned to D std and i'm trying to teach someone a song.
I would say the chords are C G and D because it's less confusing than saying Bb, F and C .
But then you are talking about the shape/positioning not about the chord itself.
Are we only getting updates on mondays now, or will we get a new update today?
I'm getting Romeo & Juliet vibes from Act 2, in that the death of Faythe (My Last Farewell/Losing Faythe) brings the GNE and the RRM back together, or at least sets it in motion.
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
Often it is, but it's not necessarily always so.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the industry changed most releases to Fridays this past July to keep a simultaneous worldwide release schedule.
Often it is, but it's not necessarily always so.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the industry changed most releases to Fridays this past July to keep a simultaneous worldwide release schedule.
There's no volume louder than 12.
The longer they hold off on an official reveal of the cover, the more terrified I become.
The longer they hold off on an official reveal of the cover, the more terrified I become.
You haven't been contacted to do some cool animations? Or maybe you're not allowed to tell :P
The longer they hold off on an official reveal of the cover, the more terrified I become.
You haven't been contacted to do some cool animations? Or maybe you're not allowed to tell :P
I don't have any useful information at this point either way.
I hope that I will get the album at least a few weeks prior to the show, as DT albums often require time to sink in for me. I'm expecting release during January. And maybe a full/partial stream? They did that with DT12 right? I recall something like that.
The longer they hold off on an official reveal of the cover, the more terrified I become.
You haven't been contacted to do some cool animations? Or maybe you're not allowed to tell :P
I don't have any useful information at this point either way.
Roger that.
Amazon's release dates sometimes differ from the "actual ones"
I wouldn't consider January 29 as a fact.
Faythe sounds like a feminine name. And the chosen one has already been revealed to be Arhys' brother.
I hope that I will get the album at least a few weeks prior to the show, as DT albums often require time to sink in for me. I'm expecting release during January. And maybe a full/partial stream? They did that with DT12 right? I recall something like that.
They did stream the album the week prior to the release date.
Faythe sounds like a feminine name. And the chosen one has already been revealed to be Arhys' brother.
Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Man, that takes some real patience to read 52 pages, congrats! Welcome and greetings from your neighbour, Brazil!
"but this Chosen One is, in fact, my blood, and my brother."
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Man, that takes some real patience to read 52 pages, congrats! Welcome and greetings from your neighbour, Brazil!
Thanks bro! ;D
This album for me, represents what SFAM was after the "FII years", they HAVE to make it GREAT!
I personally have a great feeling about The Astonishing.
:yarr
#RavenskillRebelMilitia
Yep, Gabriel confirmed as the chosen one.
Yep, Gabriel confirmed as the chosen one.And I was sure the chosen one was the silhouette in the right lower corner, that looks like a child.
Yep, Gabriel confirmed as the chosen one.And I was sure the chosen one was the silhouette in the right lower corner, that looks like a child.
Can we be sure Faythe is a person and not just a funny way of spelling 'faith'?
And I was sure the chosen one was the silhouette in the right lower corner, that looks like a child.
Can we be sure Faythe is a person and not just a funny way of spelling 'faith'?
Yep, Gabriel confirmed as the chosen one.And I was sure the chosen one was the silhouette in the right lower corner, that looks like a child.
Can we be sure Faythe is a person and not just a funny way of spelling 'faith'?
There is a person called Nafaryus, so I have no doubt Faythe is also gonna be a person.
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Man, that takes some real patience to read 52 pages, congrats! Welcome and greetings from your neighbour, Brazil!
Thanks bro! ;D
This album for me, represents what SFAM was after the "FII years", they HAVE to make it GREAT!
I personally have a great feeling about The Astonishing.
:yarr
#RavenskillRebelMilitia
And I was sure the chosen one was the silhouette in the right lower corner, that looks like a child.
Can we be sure Faythe is a person and not just a funny way of spelling 'faith'?
1. I actually think that silhouette looks like an alien. Either that, or that guy's got a huge scalp. Or an afro...
2. Why else would they spell it Faythe and not faith? It only seems like the names of characters are spelt unusually.
3. Cool username. :clap: :tup
Wait, Gabriel looks similar to Kevin Moore :o
Wait, Gabriel looks similar to Kevin Moore :o
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Man, that takes some real patience to read 52 pages, congrats! Welcome and greetings from your neighbour, Brazil!
Thanks bro! ;D
This album for me, represents what SFAM was after the "FII years", they HAVE to make it GREAT!
I personally have a great feeling about The Astonishing.
:yarr
#RavenskillRebelMilitia
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!Finally! I had finished reading the 52 pages! This is so exiting! Hello to everyone... greetings from Venezuela!
Man, that takes some real patience to read 52 pages, congrats! Welcome and greetings from your neighbour, Brazil!
Thanks bro! ;D
This album for me, represents what SFAM was after the "FII years", they HAVE to make it GREAT!
I personally have a great feeling about The Astonishing.
:yarr
#RavenskillRebelMilitia
:tup to that comment :lol :rollin
Welcome to the forums btw Jose :smiley:
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!
No. We have a traitor to our Great Empire. SEIZE HIM AT ONCE!
Believing Nafaryus to be responsible for his love interest's death (Losing Faythe), Gabriel is convinced by Arhys to join him in his plan to attack the Empire's fortress (Whispers on the Wind). They manage to destroy the NOMACS, break in Nafaryus' castle and defeat him. Right after that, Arhys knocks Gabriel down, locks him and Nafaryus in the dungeons and autoproclaims himself as the new emperor. Turns out Arhys was the real villain the whole time and the NOMACS were the only thing keeping the Empire safe from his tyranny and his brain-washing music. He was actually Faythe's murderer and used Gabriel's rage to make him join his side, only to clear the path for a coup d'etat. The remaining Ravenskill survivors rescue the two prisoners and Nafaryus lead them to rebuild the NOMACS in order to take Arhys down and reclaim the throne (Hymn of a Thousand Voices). They attack Arhys and finally manage to kill him, but Nafaryus is fatally wounded during the final battle. Just before dying, he chooses Gabriel as heir to the throne (Our New World). With no threat against the Empire anymore, the NOMACS are dismantled (Power Down). The Ravenskill rebels, upon realizing they were being manipulated by a fake leader the whole time, join the empire and serve as Gabriel's loyal army. Peace finally rules the land and, to everyone's astonishment, The Great Northern Empire and The Ravenskill Rebel Militia finally become one (Astonishing).
there are a lot of new members in here wow
Y'all noobs should head on over to GMD whenever you get a chance and hang out with us.
there are a lot of new members in here wow
Y'all noobs should head on over to GMD whenever you get a chance and hang out with us.
Sure! Would be nice to know what that is, though xD
Of course this is fake, but I really like it... Anyone know what is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qRqUyibXLI
General Music Discussion subforum, any music discussions non-DT related.there are a lot of new members in here wow
Y'all noobs should head on over to GMD whenever you get a chance and hang out with us.
Sure! Would be nice to know what that is, though xD
Of course this is fake, but I really like it... Anyone know what is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qRqUyibXLI
Of course this is fake, but I really like it... Anyone know what is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qRqUyibXLI
Have no clue . . . but it rocks!!! Want to listen to the band who came up with that :metal
Of course this is fake, but I really like it... Anyone know what is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qRqUyibXLI
Siri says it's from Final fantasy 8. Piece is called " Force Your Way ".
I'm 100% sure that I won't understand anything of the story the first time that I listen to the album. I'll be paying so much attention to the music that I will forget to actually listen to every word that James will be singing, lol.
I'm 100% sure that I won't understand anything of the story the first time that I listen to the album. I'll be paying so much attention to the music that I will forget to actually listen to every word that James will be singing, lol.This. Will mainly focus on the music the first time, after all, that's what forms my first impression with every other band aswell.
Pretty sure there is actually a passage in a DT song that sounds like the beach landing from FF8
Yeah that section after the first "Shaman take my hand" is pure Final Fantasy.Pretty sure there is actually a passage in a DT song that sounds like the beach landing from FF8
Wasn't it Bridges in the Sky?
Siri is correct...Nobuo Uematsu came up with that and he is a beautiful mastermind of the musics. That is a remix, though I'm not sure if it's official or fan-made, I'm guessing fan-made.
Here is the original (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZMWszd5SRk) for those interested and liking it. There are a plethora of other amazing tracks through the Final Fantasy games.
ED: Actually, I did recognize it as official, it's Uematsu's prog-rock oriented band called The Black Mages playing it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zev79FxRjO4). (Towards the end of the song is where the snippit from the douchebag posted it)
I'm 100% sure that I won't understand anything of the story the first time that I listen to the album. I'll be paying so much attention to the music that I will forget to actually listen to every word that James will be singing, lol.This. Will mainly focus on the music the first time, after all, that's what forms my first impression with every other band aswell.
More speculation, but as I'm looking at their pictures, I actually reckon that Nafaryus might be Arhys' father. They certainly share some facial similarities.
More speculation, but as I'm looking at their pictures, I actually reckon that Nafaryus might be Arhys' father. They certainly share some facial similarities.
More speculation, but as I'm looking at their pictures, I actually reckon that Nafaryus might be Arhys' father. They certainly share some facial similarities.
Shurely you can't be Sherious ? !
More speculation, but as I'm looking at their pictures, I actually reckon that Nafaryus might be Arhys' father. They certainly share some facial similarities.
Shurely you can't be Sherious ? !
I agree with him. They both have two eyes, a nose and a mouth. They also both have hair too. Arhys is even trying to grow a beard like Nafaryus. That can't be a coincidence! I do see what RoeDent means though. We'll see if it turns out to be true.
Kotowboy, I'm shitting here on a rock!
there are a lot of new members in here wow
Y'all noobs should head on over to GMD whenever you get a chance and hang out with us.
Sure! Would be nice to know what that is, though xD
Yeah, because we ARE noobs :lol
Would be happy to join in ;D
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!
Speaking of which, where is Clock Guy? It's been a while since I last saw him.
Kotowboy, I'm shitting here on a rock!
Yeah! what is that?
:lol
General Music Discussion subforum, any music discussions non-DT related.
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Something before january is my bet, lol.
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Something before january is my bet, lol.
December 25th? :lol
For future reference, I recommend going to the "What we know so far" thread, this one's 90% bogus, 9% educated guesses and 1% clock theories. Unless you, like me, enjoy whacky conversations. Anyways welcome to DTF!
Speaking of which, where is Clock Guy? It's been a while since I last saw him.
Yeah, I miss clock guy. It was becoming routine for me and my friend to read his new posts every morning.
Guys, just thought of something:
Heaven's Cove, from the 2nd act is an instrumental piece.
Heaven's Cove
Hell's Kitchen
Hell's Kitchen is the neighborhood of Avatar Studios, where DT recorded FII
Cove --> Cove City Sound Studios, Glen Cove, where DT recorded the last albums including TA
I really wish they put in it the new intro they created to Trial of Tears while on the last tour...
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Something before january is my bet, lol.
How do Mods feel about us posting links to youtube clips that are *clearly* fakes and we post them as such ?
I think it's funny hearing what people post on YT with comments neatly disabled - and pass off as new DT.
Wether it's (Astonishing) a part 2 to anything is another question, but do you think we'll see some continuity with past works on this album? Or will it be closed off completely as it's own work?
New map segment!
Not so much speculation, just like to throw this out there: Crooked Lake and Bullhead Corners are awesome names.
Not so much speculation, just like to throw this out there: Crooked Lake and Bullhead Corners are awesome names.
"Don't cross the Crooked Lake".
Not so much speculation, just like to throw this out there:
... I'm predicting...Either one or both of the video's will be
revealedby mid December.
In the Flesh?
3:20
The Thin Ice
2:30
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 1
3:11
The Happiest Days of Our Lives
1:51
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 2
4:01
Mother
5:34
Goodbye Blue Sky
2:47
Empty Spaces
2:07
Young Lust
3:31
One of My Turns
3:35
Don't Leave Me Now
4:17
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 3
1:43
Goodbye Cruel World
1:15
Hey You
4:39
Is There Anybody Out There?
2:43
Nobody Home
3:27
Vera
1:36
Bring the Boys Back Home
1:29
Comfortably Numb
6:26
The Show Must Go On
1:38
In the Flesh
4:17
Run Like Hell
3:03
Waiting for the Worms
4:00
Stop
0:32
The Trial
5:22
Outside the Wall
1:44
Master of Ceremonies
1:16
What Shall We Do Now?
1:43
The Last Few Bricks
3:28
Great news everybody, but when do we suspect a single will be released? (if they do....)
Something before january is my bet, lol.
Yeah I agree . . . sometime mid to late December is when I think it'll be released . . .
I know we've moved on in the discussion since the new characters have been revealed, but I just want to add, with an average track length of 4 minutes on Act 1, all it would take is 4-5 transition/NOMAC sound effects tracks of 1-2 minutes on that side to make room for two or three 8-10-minute tracks, etc.
I mean, here's The Wall's layout, and this ended up being 80 minutes total for BOTH sides combined, 26 tracks total:QuoteIn the Flesh?
3:20
The Thin Ice
2:30
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 1
3:11
The Happiest Days of Our Lives
1:51
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 2
4:01
Mother
5:34
Goodbye Blue Sky
2:47
Empty Spaces
2:07
Young Lust
3:31
One of My Turns
3:35
Don't Leave Me Now
4:17
Another Brick in the Wall, Part 3
1:43
Goodbye Cruel World
1:15
Hey You
4:39
Is There Anybody Out There?
2:43
Nobody Home
3:27
Vera
1:36
Bring the Boys Back Home
1:29
Comfortably Numb
6:26
The Show Must Go On
1:38
In the Flesh
4:17
Run Like Hell
3:03
Waiting for the Worms
4:00
Stop
0:32
The Trial
5:22
Outside the Wall
1:44
Master of Ceremonies
1:16
What Shall We Do Now?
1:43
The Last Few Bricks
3:28
The Astonishing will have 8 more tracks, but 80 more minutes to work with (assuming the concert length of 2 hours and 40 minutes is for the whole album and nothing more). That's basically The Wall's layout (which already has a 5 and 6 minute song) plus 8 additional 10 minute songs. Or 4 additional 5-minute songs and 4 additional 15-minute songs...you get the picture.
So it's absolutely not a foregone conclusion that we won't see any longer songs on this album.
But what timezone? :huh:
Oh man I'd go crazy if that happened!!! :lol
I hope they're looking at the forums because that would be a great idea!
But what timezone? :huh:
But I'm giving you 12 songs between 5 and 21! minutes.. That's more songs that they have done in any of their previous albums, except SFaM.. I think it's a lot.. And, plus that, we have the short tracks..
I think no one can complain about it if it's something like that..
That's as good a time as any. You know damn well fans would go apeshit over a 6:00 Christmas Morning release of a single.
I'd say is more likely we do have 10+ minute songs and even longer songs than we haven't.. Obviously they're not going to release an album full of short tracks.. Remember is DT after all.. This is how I feel is going to be:
ACT I - 20 tracks
-Seven 1 minute songs
-Five 2 minute songs
-Three 3 minute songs
-Two 5-6 minute songs
-One 7-8 minute song
-One 11-13 minute song
-One 17-20 minute song
Total length: from 71 to 79 minutes..
ACT II - 14 tracks
-Four 1 minute songs
-Two 2 minute songs
-One 3 minute song
-Three 5-6 minute songs
-Two 7-8 minute songs
-One 11-13 minute song
-One 17-21 minute song
Total length: from 68 to 79 minutes..
If you expect epics going in to this album, you WILL be disappointed.
Remember, this is very different from anything DT has ever done. All bets are off.
I think the longest track you'll see on the disc is right around the 10 minute mark, and it's at the end of Act 2. The rest will be 3-6 minutes long, aside from the NOMACS tracks which will be half a minute to two minutes long. Some of the tracks will be kinda like through my words/fatal tragedy, but the vast majority of the tracks will be averaging 4 minutes. What we will see is a lot of repeating themes. Remember, this is a rock opera! It doesn't need a lot of long songs, because the short songs is a part of the whole.
If you expect epics going in to this album, you WILL be disappointed.
Then I'm a bit disappointed, I'd love to hear a new epic track because listening to one single track, even if 15-20 min long, will happen more often than listening to the whole 3h long album.If you expect epics going in to this album, you WILL be disappointed.
Unless you count the whole concept as one big Epic...
At least, if the tracks are short, I hope some of them will be connected (and not isolated like for example SDOIT)
I like too the unpredictability of the songs length, I think we'll see a mix of everything: Nomacs songs will be the shortest ones, there may be one or two intros like Through My Words, some more concise songs that serve as chapters of a bigger storyline like One Last Time, and "normal" songs with the occasional longer one. I predict too the title track will be the longest. But noxon said... all bets are off, and I like it!
If you expect epics going in to this album, you WILL be disappointed.
Maybe they'll pull a Pain of Salvation and premier their new concept album live before releasing the CD.
curious if they put out some kind of movie-like trailer soon.
People disappointed about the potential lack of an epic (or overall shorter "songs") need to go listen to Tommy, then report back. Seriously.
People disappointed about the potential lack of an epic (or overall shorter "songs") need to go listen to Tommy, then report back. Seriously.
I think Tommy is alright, but Quadrophenia crushes it. I think Tommy suffers from the annoying filler on the second half such as 'Fiddle About' and 'Tommy's Holiday Camp' while Quadrophenia never lost its focus like that. I don't mind transition songs as I like Pink Floyd's The Wall, as the quality of the music is never actually compromised (maybe despite ideas not being fully developed). I would like it to be modeled after Quadrophenia and The Wall on the Rock / Prog Rock side and Nightfall in Middle Earth (Blind Guardian) and The Human Equation (Ayreon) on the Metal / Prog Metal side.
The "main story" is most likely to end with Our New World/Power Down, and Astonishing is some kind of an epilogue.
Still, I hope it's long and features no plot twists.
Who need epics when you have concept? A concept album is the mother of all epics.
Leading the empire, brutal and heartless
Vanishing further into the darkness
Well SFAM had Home and Finally Free, which even though they're not exactly epics, they're still above 10 minutes
Personally I would like a few songs that are 8-10 minutes just to listen to by themselves when I'm not in the mood to sit down and listen to a full album, but I don't think this needs a super long epic.
The Astonishing is clearly ADTOE sequel.
Americans are mentiones in OTBOA
This is the life, a better life, get it?
Lost not Forgotten is the tale of Nafaryus told by himself in his mind.
Outcry is the theme of the rebels.
It's very clear.
I'm not one to be 'disappointed' at this juncture about what the album may or may not include. As long as it features the five guys from Dream Theater and they write the music like they want, then I'm cool with whatever they want to put out with the release.
This concept, in particular, is great for us. A rock opera which is likely a double album. That's a lot of music.
I'm not one to be 'disappointed' at this juncture about what the album may or may not include. As long as it features the five guys from Dream Theater and they write the music like they want, then I'm cool with whatever they want to put out with the release.
At least my point was not to say that we need one, but that there's room for it..
The Astonishing is clearly ADTOE sequel.
Americans are mentiones in OTBOA
This is the life, a better life, get it?
Lost not Forgotten is the tale of Nafaryus told by himself in his mind.
Outcry is the theme of the rebels.
It's very clear.
You know it actually doesn't sound that crazy when you put it that way . . . interested to see if there are more connections revealed :corn
People disappointed about the potential lack of an epic (or overall shorter "songs") need to go listen to Tommy, then report back. Seriously.
I think Tommy is alright, but Quadrophenia crushes it. I think Tommy suffers from the annoying filler on the second half such as 'Fiddle About' and 'Tommy's Holiday Camp' while Quadrophenia never lost its focus like that. I don't mind transition songs as I like Pink Floyd's The Wall, as the quality of the music is never actually compromised (maybe despite ideas not being fully developed). I would like it to be modeled after Quadrophenia and The Wall on the Rock / Prog Rock side and Nightfall in Middle Earth (Blind Guardian) and The Human Equation (Ayreon) on the Metal / Prog Metal side.
millahh, you should have known you would get a response like this. :lol
The Astonishing is clearly ADTOE sequel.
Americans are mentiones in OTBOA
This is the life, a better life, get it?
Lost not Forgotten is the tale of Nafaryus told by himself in his mind.
Outcry is the theme of the rebels.
It's very clear.
You know it actually doesn't sound that crazy when you put it that way . . . interested to see if there are more connections revealed :corn
An Astonishing Turn of Events :neverusethis:
Yeah :) I'm not thinking that Tommy is the be-all-end-all, just trying to counter the people, who are pre-emptively slagging the album at the prospect of no traditional epics, all the while having no idea what a rock opera even is.
AnThe Astonishing Turn of Events :neverusethis:
AnThe Astonishing Turn of FU :angry:
FTFU :angry:
Im really curious how they would handle so many characters. Will James sing all of them? I know he did that in SFAM, and I never had a problem with, but I think a fresh voice here and there will be pretty cool.
Remember, this is very different from anything DT has ever done. All bets are off.
I think the longest track you'll see on the disc is right around the 10 minute mark, and it's at the end of Act 2. The rest will be 3-6 minutes long, aside from the NOMACS tracks which will be half a minute to two minutes long. Some of the tracks will be kinda like through my words/fatal tragedy, but the vast majority of the tracks will be averaging 4 minutes. What we will see is a lot of repeating themes. Remember, this is a rock opera! It doesn't need a lot of long songs, because the short songs is a part of the whole.
If you expect epics going in to this album, you WILL be disappointed.
The Astonishing is clearly ADTOE sequel.
Americans are mentiones in OTBOA
This is the life, a better life, get it?
Lost not Forgotten is the tale of Nafaryus told by himself in his mind.
Outcry is the theme of the rebels.
It's very clear.
Am I the only one who thinks that Darkstarshades was very clearly sarcastic?
This made me smile since I am very attached to that song you're referring to :)Well SFAM had Home and Finally Free, which even though they're not exactly epics, they're still above 10 minutes
You forgot the best of the three 10 minute songs of that album..
I can't wait til the band starts shedding some light on the story/world they've created via press interviews and the locked videos on the website. It'll be interesting to find out exactly what this album is about.
I hope this isn't a single disc :(
But I thought it was confirmed as a double album? ???
With this many tracks, I think there's no way it's a single disc. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if it ended up being 3. :lol
With this many tracks, I think there's no way it's a single disc. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if it ended up being 3. :lol
Man, that would be amazing . . . 4 hours of DT!
That would extend the average song length to 7 minutes too, so no worrying about too many short songs . . .
Think that's too good to be true though :lol :rollin
It was just a joke. :biggrin:
There's no way it's 4 hours, since that would be ridiculous, and also because their live show is already confirmed to be 2 hours and 40 minutes, so that's your max. I'm concerned enough about it being two discs of material, let alone more.
I know, a part of me just wanted to believe that it was seriously gonna happen :lol
Ok, what would you think if when the Astonishing came out, it had a 'part 1' tagged onto the title? (and it's a double album) :eek
JR recently made a Kronos review, where he plays a very medieval thing, is this from any of his projects ot is it a small foreshadow of the album?
This made me smile since I am very attached to that song you're referring to :)Well SFAM had Home and Finally Free, which even though they're not exactly epics, they're still above 10 minutes
You forgot the best of the three 10 minute songs of that album..
JR recently made a Kronos review, where he plays a very medieval thing, is this from any of his projects ot is it a small foreshadow of the album?
Well if I can say anything, it doesn't sound improvised...
... :eek
JR recently made a Kronos review, where he plays a very medieval thing, is this from any of his projects ot is it a small foreshadow of the album?
Well if I can say anything, it doesn't sound improvised...
... :eek
It could definitely fit with the upcoming concept and how they present it in mails....
JR recently made a Kronos review, where he plays a very medieval thing, is this from any of his projects ot is it a small foreshadow of the album?
Well if I can say anything, it doesn't sound improvised...
... :eek
It could definitely fit with the upcoming concept and how they present it in mails....
Anyone have a link? Spent ages looking at Kronos demos and I'm not sure which you're all referring to.
*Jordan randomly plays a vaguely medieval tune on his keyboard whilst at soundcheck*:lol
Petrucci: That was kinda cool - LETS WRITE A FUTURISTIC YET MEDIEVAL DOUBLE CONCEPT ALBUM BASED AROUND THAT.
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
Ok, what would you think if when the Astonishing came out, it had a 'part 1' tagged onto the title? (and it's a double album) :eek
*Jordan randomly plays a vaguely medieval tune on his keyboard whilst at soundcheck*
Petrucci: That was kinda cool - LETS WRITE A FUTURISTIC YET MEDIEVAL DOUBLE CONCEPT ALBUM BASED AROUND THAT.
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
In fact, that seems structured as a composition instead of an improvisation. Also, EB/MM released a video of JP demonstrating his JP13 model and he played a small piece of Surrender to Reason just a few weeks before DT12's release. This is nothing more than speculation, but so is pretty much everything else in this thread, right? :biggrin:
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
I doubt it is fully improvised simple because of how many effects and combinations it uses.Or it could be a small composition used to showcase the Kronos. Nothing is certain.
I doubt it is fully improvised simple because of how many effects and combinations it uses.Or it could be a small composition used to showcase the Kronos. Nothing is certain.
It could be a small composition to showcase the Kronos....Or it could be nothing. My money is on nothing, given how cautious and secretive they've been about the new record.
Using a style and sounds thought for the album.
It could be a small composition to showcase the Kronos....Or it could be nothing. My money is on nothing, given how cautious and secretive they've been about the new record.
Using a style and sounds thought for the album.
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
Nice find. Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1pXlIYbOc
Doesn't sound improvised to me either.
I hope it's not! That snippet CLOCKS!!! :metal
10 tracks for act ll 100%
:metal
hey Kotowboy why u put the fucking clock back of char 8? huh? the FBI must take dt and punish DT. hey Kotowboy u need to prison for end of the world.cause you have 1 fucking clock. :lol
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/1054823121236366/?type=3
strings and choir :metal :metal
Hmm... I didn't know we could post stuff like this. In that case, I've been keeping track of potential studio material that Jordan Rudess has been recently playing at numerous keyboard demonstrations, all of which I think does not sound improvised.
The first video took place right after a studio session sometime in April.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshQWP0gQ-k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshQWP0gQ-k)
Keep track of everything Jordan Rudess plays without Marco Parisi during the video. The most interesting spot is at the 12 minute mark. Here he talks about and demonstrates a pipe organ sound that he and DT wanted to use for the new album.
Here's two other demo's that Rudess did at Drum Fest 2015. To me, the style of music does match what I would expect to be on the new album in one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
Here's two other demo's that Rudess did at Drum Fest 2015. To me, the style of music does match what I would expect to be on the new album in one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
Hmm... I didn't know we could post stuff like this. In that case, I've been keeping track of potential studio material that Jordan Rudess has been recently playing at numerous keyboard demonstrations, all of which I think does not sound improvised.
The first video took place right after a studio session sometime in April.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshQWP0gQ-k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshQWP0gQ-k)
Keep track of everything Jordan Rudess plays without Marco Parisi during the video. The most interesting spot is at the 12 minute mark. Here he talks about and demonstrates a pipe organ sound that he and DT wanted to use for the new album.
Here's two other demo's that Rudess did at Drum Fest 2015. To me, the style of music does match what I would expect to be on the new album in one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
I doubt the first one is anything new, as Jordan specifically says he is showing sections of an orchestral library.
*snip*JP solos confirmed.
*snip*JP solos confirmed.
This is with regard to those who wish Steven Wilson would produce the new DT album. I give you exhibit A. Listen to "take shelter" on Anathema's album Distant Satellites then listen to the same song on their new live record "a sort of homecoming" This is proof that we don't want Steven Wilson anywhere near a Dream Theater album. ALL of the distant sattelite songs sound better on the new live album.
Unless the band trolls us by adding micro islands on each of the next map updates, I think it's safe to say that we'll need at least 4 or 5 (maybe 3?) more updates for the full map.
Unless the band trolls us by adding micro islands on each of the next map updates, I think it's safe to say that we'll need at least 4 or 5 (maybe 3?) more updates for the full map.
The map is divided in 8 pieces, same number of the characters. Right now we have 3 pieces and 3 chars.. Considering that we're having 2 updates per week, in less than 3 weeks we'll have it all!
I miss clockguy lol
*snip*JP solos confirmed.
Pads of some kind confirmed as well.
I miss clockguy lol
Who was that? I haven't been here long enough to know.... ???
hey guys. pls look to ch8. back of the picture we have one clock.that we only see 4 number. ( 0-1-1-2) i think the char 8 tell to us the release date of album.01/1/2016. the number 12 hidden by the head of character.this was my idea. pls txt ur idea about the char8 pls. in 8th cha dt hide the secret about the album and story.
*snip*JP solos confirmed.
Pads of some kind confirmed as well.
New album confirmed!
Unless the band trolls us by adding micro islands on each of the next map updates, I think it's safe to say that we'll need at least 4 or 5 (maybe 3?) more updates for the full map.
The map is divided in 8 pieces, same number of the characters. Right now we have 3 pieces and 3 chars.. Considering that we're having 2 updates per week, in less than 3 weeks we'll have it all!
New album confirmed!
Did you hear the Mike Portnoy is leaving Dream Theater ?????? :rollin
New album confirmed!
Did you hear the Mike Portnoy is leaving Dream Theater ?????? :rollin
What!? :omg:
Was it because of the tensions between him and Kevin Moore?
I miss clockguy lol
Who was that? I haven't been here long enough to know.... ???
I present you Clock Guyhey guys. pls look to ch8. back of the picture we have one clock.that we only see 4 number. ( 0-1-1-2) i think the char 8 tell to us the release date of album.01/1/2016. the number 12 hidden by the head of character.this was my idea. pls txt ur idea about the char8 pls. in 8th cha dt hide the secret about the album and story.
I think this was the first post that started his legacy as Clock Guy. He'll probably come back when the character with the clock in the background will be revealed.
I tho it was because his son Max had just been born and he took paternal time.
I tho it was because his son Max had just been born and he took paternal time.
I thought it was because it Mike Was stressed they couldn't find a new singer after the booted Dominici, so he quit? or aren't I up to date? :corn :rollin
I heard Mozart died last year. Can anybody tell me if that's actually true?
Okay I'll stop now XD
I heard Mozart died last year. Can anybody tell me if that's actually true?
Okay I'll stop now XD
What's this device and medium we're chatting on?
Is it magic?
I heard Mozart died last year. Can anybody tell me if that's actually true?
Okay I'll stop now XD
JR just uploaded on FB the greatest tease ever.
I think it's some sort of lute.I heard Mozart died last year. Can anybody tell me if that's actually true?
Okay I'll stop now XD
What's a Mozart?? :corn
We need more updates... lol
I think it's some sort of lute.I heard Mozart died last year. Can anybody tell me if that's actually true?
Okay I'll stop now XD
What's a Mozart?? :corn
We need more updates... lol
ikr :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
I predict the introduction of both of these are the sorts of sounds we'll hear from the NOMACS. But I think only the first one has any substantial material from the new album. It honestly sounds chock-full of DT music.
It honestly sounds clock-full of DT music.THE CLOCKGUY WAS RIGHT OMG
It honestly sounds clock-full of DT music.THE CLOCKGUY WAS RIGHT OMG
I've been thinking about this for the entire weekend... That face was familiar to me, but I couldn't figure out.. now everything is so clear... Gabriel, The Chosen One...is KEVIN MOORE!!!! :omg:
Really the only character I care about at this point is "char8"
Good grief
I predict the first one actually is first two songs (nomac one and Dystopian Overture)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
I predict the introduction of both of these are the sorts of sounds we'll hear from the NOMACS. But I think only the first one has any substantial material from the new album. It honestly sounds chock-full of DT music.
I predict the first one actually is first two songs (nomac one and Dystopian Overture)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
I predict the introduction of both of these are the sorts of sounds we'll hear from the NOMACS. But I think only the first one has any substantial material from the new album. It honestly sounds chock-full of DT music.
The monday updates usually came when I was at school the past few weeks, which would be somewhere between now and 2 hours from now.
Monday updates are the only ones they haven't ''skipped'' so far, I think. Only thursdays?
Here's two other demo's that Rudess did at Drum Fest 2015. To me, the style of music does match what I would expect to be on the new album in one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUL_BBICQQ)
I'm curious about the update we might get today. If it's a new character, it will be one we haven't heard about yet (unless it's Faythe) considering we already knew about Nafaryus, Arhys and Gabriel (well, at least we heard about the Chosen, but not his name).
I'm curious about the update we might get today. If it's a new character, it will be one we haven't heard about yet (unless it's Faythe) considering we already knew about Nafaryus, Arhys and Gabriel (well, at least we heard about the Chosen, but not his name).
Gabriel IS the chosen, he's been confirmed as such by DT's FB page as well.
This is with regard to those who wish Steven Wilson would produce the new DT album. I give you exhibit A. Listen to "take shelter" on Anathema's album Distant Satellites then listen to the same song on their new live record "a sort of homecoming" This is proof that we don't want Steven Wilson anywhere near a Dream Theater album. ALL of the distant sattelite songs sound better on the new live album.SW only mixed that song and another one on that album. ALL the other songs and the overall production of the album was not SW's job, so that peculiar sound choice is due to the producer (CA Cederberg).
JR just uploaded on FB the greatest tease ever.
How important will the locations and map be on the album? Will places get mentioned in the lyrics? (Don't cross the Crooked Lake? I know we joke about it, but that could be a feasible lyric here.)
Pretty much just characters and map to update. I think the videos will be last.
It's a bit hard to get excited about those.
Pretty much just characters and map to update. I think the videos will be last.
It's a bit hard to get excited about those.
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
Seems like every album release cycle, I have to point out that even if this is the planned release date, that information is at least a month old, and we are still a good 2 months away from that date. In the last 12 weeks before an album release, it is VERY common for the release date to be changed. And sometimes it changes more than once.
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
Seems like every album release cycle, I have to point out that even if this is the planned release date, that information is at least a month old, and we are still a good 2 months away from that date. In the last 12 weeks before an album release, it is VERY common for the release date to be changed. And sometimes it changes more than once.
Then please let the release date change to early January :hefdaddy
The beginning of that second clip sounds like he could be in some kind of cove...HEAVEN'S COVE ALMOST......
So wikipedia has the album release date of Jan 29th. Has this been confirmed by the band? Or is it just nonsense someone made up on wikipedia?
Seems like every album release cycle, I have to point out that even if this is the planned release date, that information is at least a month old, and we are still a good 2 months away from that date. In the last 12 weeks before an album release, it is VERY common for the release date to be changed. And sometimes it changes more than once.
Then please let the release date change to early January :hefdaddy
Tbh, now the full tracklist is out, I don't really care for the character/map reveals. I just want to know when I can buy the album, what some of it sounds like, what the cover looks like, and how long the songs are. That's all.
Don't know if this'll get me banned, but local online vendour says 29-1-2016 is releasedate. TA.
Ditto. I couldn't care less about a map or a picture of a character. My interest is minimal until I hear some music now.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
Don't know if this'll get me banned, but local online vendour says 29-1-2016 is releasedate. TA.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.I took a bit of issue with this until I read your small print. Then I got really excited. Thanks Bosk!
...especially this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I predict a video.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
It's not as much information as it seems, it's mostly just drawn out over a long time. It doesn't usually take them a span of a week or two to reveal the song titles, and the rest is beyond trivial stuff to me. Until I hear actual music, I don't see my excitement or expectations improving at all.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
It's not as much information as it seems, it's mostly just drawn out over a long time. It doesn't usually take them a span of a week or two to reveal the song titles, and the rest is beyond trivial stuff to me. Until I hear actual music, I don't see my excitement or expectations improving at all.
And Grumpy strikes again! :biggrin:
B.Lee
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
It's not as much information as it seems, it's mostly just drawn out over a long time. It doesn't usually take them a span of a week or two to reveal the song titles, and the rest is beyond trivial stuff to me. Until I hear actual music, I don't see my excitement or expectations improving at all.
And Grumpy strikes again! :biggrin:
B.Lee
That was a very useful addition to this conversation! :biggrin:
It was only in jest.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
Ok guys. So, I've been thinking about it for a while now, and I think I FINALLY GET IT.
So char8 stands in front of a clock, right?
And it already came up that clock guy is just trolling us with his theories. Okay, bare with me cause this is where it gets complicated:
Clock guy is actually JP trying to tell us the actual theme of the album.
Since Gabriel is known as an angel in religous beliefs, and adding that to the clock thing, I think it's now safe to say:
CLOCKWORK ANGELS PART 2 CONFIRMED :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
The beginning of that second clip sounds like he could be in some kind of cove...HEAVEN'S COVE ALMOST......
OMG! STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN PART TWO CONFIRMED!!!!
I agree. The lengths are what I'm most interested to see at this point (though any update is fine) ;D
I reiterate: Track lengths have _NEVER EVER_ been released by the band.
Right, its just not usually something the band officially reveals, I don't think.
Right, its just not usually something the band officially reveals, I don't think.
I wonder why... people are going to find out anyway from preorder sites, are they afraid of the endless speculation that will follow? This song is too long, it will have a pointless solo, there are to many short songs, they went pop etc??? we have a thread about the album after this one and people maximise the photos from the studio to read the tiny writings on the mix, they should know we will speculate about anything anyway :lol
Cover art confirmed on the DT facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.487625947180.264700.7677942180/10153118178087181/?type=3&theater
HYPE
I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. But announcing track lengths IS the exception rather than the rule.
Cover art confirmed on the DT facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.487625947180.264700.7677942180/10153118178087181/?type=3&theater
HYPE
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/THEASTONISHING_zpsuutnreo1.jpg)Just...astonishing!
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/THEASTONISHING_zpsuutnreo1.jpg)
Also, notice the palace shaped like the GNE logo.. just beautiful, and diverse.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/THEASTONISHING_zpsuutnreo1.jpg)
There are 8 nomacs on the album cover, OCTAVARIUM PT 2: THE ASTONISHING CONFIRMED
I'm sorry if this has been posted here before. After I saw the album's cover I was wondering who did the artwork. According to Wikipedia it's a person called Ma Jie.
So I googled the name to see what came up, and I found this:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project (https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project)
Look familiar? I'm inclined to say this is official artwork.
Again, if this was posted here before, I'm sorry :p
Can anyone with a good eye for these kind of things make an extimate of how big the Nomacs could be? they look HUGE!
I'm sorry if this has been posted here before. After I saw the album's cover I was wondering who did the artwork. According to Wikipedia it's a person called Ma Jie.
So I googled the name to see what came up, and I found this:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project (https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project)
Look familiar? I'm inclined to say this is official artwork.
Again, if this was posted here before, I'm sorry :p
*Awesome album cover*
There are 8 nomacs on the album cover, OCTAVARIUM PT 2: THE ASTONISHING CONFIRMED
I am not following you. Are you saying that you think some of the other pieces in that link could also be official album art? I so, sure, that is entirely possible.
Can anyone with a good eye for these kind of things make an extimate of how big the Nomacs could be? they look HUGE!
*snip*
Ravenskill maybe?
Eight balls (Newton's Cradle) on the cover of Octavarium.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1131/1342159520_2e112bab62_b.jpg)
Eight NOMACS, huge machines ball shaped, on the cover of The Astonishing
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12274498_10153118178087181_7364854270494537911_n.jpg?oh=d09fe2d2d5c7c56fe0670e575a919474&oe=56D9C463)
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/THEASTONISHING_zpsuutnreo1.jpg)
There are 8 nomacs on the album cover, OCTAVARIUM PT 2: THE ASTONISHING CONFIRMED
Fucking sweet. :metal :metal :metal
Fucking sweet. :metal :metal :metal
YOU LEAVE MY FANTASIES ABOUT MICHAEL AND ROBERT OUT OF THIS THREAD!
Fucking sweet. :metal :metal :metal
YOU LEAVE MY FANTASIES ABOUT MICHAEL AND ROBERT OUT OF THIS THREAD!
is your fantasy in the yellow and black spandex?
Well, you know what to do.Fucking sweet. :metal :metal :metal
YOU LEAVE MY FANTASIES ABOUT MICHAEL AND ROBERT OUT OF THIS THREAD!
is your fantasy in the yellow and black spandex?
Honestly?
Hey guys, just came back to my computer after a few hours offline. How's everything . . .
. . . OH MY GOD!!!!! ALBUM COVER!!! :omg:
This might be something the band will release under the "Places" tab on the Astonishing webpage.I'm sorry if this has been posted here before. After I saw the album's cover I was wondering who did the artwork. According to Wikipedia it's a person called Ma Jie.
So I googled the name to see what came up, and I found this:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project (https://www.behance.net/gallery/23074511/Commercial-project)
Look familiar? I'm inclined to say this is official artwork.
Again, if this was posted here before, I'm sorry :p
I am not following you. Are you saying that you think some of the other pieces in that link could also be official album art? I so, sure, that is entirely possible.
Hey guys, just came back to my computer after a few hours offline. How's everything . . .
. . . OH MY GOD!!!!! ALBUM COVER!!! :omg:
Ahem! You are interrupting our Stryper discussion. Please keep the thread on topic.
Can anyone with a good eye for these kind of things make an extimate of how big the Nomacs could be? they look HUGE!
I think it would be kind of hard to do accurately because the Nomacs are not overlapping any of the buildings, so it's hard to gauge the distance where they are. However I would guess they're meant to be huge.
*Awesome album cover*
There are 8 nomacs on the album cover, OCTAVARIUM PT 2: THE ASTONISHING CONFIRMED
That's not all... they're also floating over a metropolis...
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12274498_10153118178087181_7364854270494537911_n.jpg?oh=d09fe2d2d5c7c56fe0670e575a919474&oe=56D9C463)
Nice album cover. I don't really like the colour of the Dream Theater logo but overall it's pretty cool. Can't wait to hear some music!
Hey guys, just came back to my computer after a few hours offline. How's everything . . .Same ahahahah everytime I disconnect, some news come up...
. . . OH MY GOD!!!!! ALBUM COVER!!! :omg:
Can anyone with a good eye for these kind of things make an extimate of how big the Nomacs could be? they look HUGE!To me they look around 20 meters tall
All aboard the hype train! Next stop: Pre-Ordered Deluxe Edition-Ville.
I wonder if the big building in the middle is the Emperor's palace.
From the facebook post: "is a bold harbinger of the visual components and...".
Visual components? Seems like the visuals will be more important than ever!
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?!
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?!
That would beamazingastonishing.
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?! That's probably too good to be true though :lolNOMACs would be something like the opening sphere of the Pulse tour
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?!
That would be amazing.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1131/1342159520_2e112bab62_b.jpg)
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?!
That would beamazingastonishing.
Especially if the NOMAC were in giant pig costumes.
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?! That's probably too good to be true though :lolNOMACs wold be something like the opening sphere of the Pulse tour
Imagine if they went Pink Floyd on us with how the concerts are going to be done . . . with all the special effects, theatrics, Giant Pigs (or Nomacs in this case) . . . wouldn't that be amazing?!
That would be amazing.
I would give both my kidneys and one of my lungs to see an actual FULL SIZED NOMAC.
Cue Zydar's "MS Paint Thread"...in...three...two...
I want a Nomac toy to place on my desk or something ;D
DT also said this is their most ambitious creative work up to date
I'm very hyped... This may be the best time ever to be a DT fan
I know, but just think about it, this really looks like they may not be telling empty words this timeDT also said this is their most ambitious creative work up to date
I'm very hyped... This may be the best time ever to be a DT fan
Yeah... I wouldn't get too excited about this saying.
As previously mentioned here, almost every band says it about almost every album they release.
Must. Have. Keychain ;D
I wonder if the big building in the middle is the Emperor's palace.
I'm telling you, NOMAC hotel.
I wonder if the big building in the middle is the Emperor's palace.
I'm telling you, NOMAC hotel.
Such a lovely place.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/THEASTONISHING_zpsuutnreo1.jpg)
Cool artwork huh? I love it. Everything about this record is awesome.
So you remember back on page 49 I asked what question you'd ask the band right now if you could? And some folks posted some? (Thanks for that) As it happens I ran a press day with 3 of DT today and included some time to put a few of those questions to them! Answers to come. It was also much fun having dinner with them this eve when the cover was revealed and reading them some of the comments! :D
Hmmm...The Great Northern Empire's logo on that building :eek
(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/eba1a523074511.5631cd83cb75a.jpg)
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
Hmmm...The Great Northern Empire's logo on that building :eek
Another fresh face :) Welcome.
(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/eba1a523074511.5631cd83cb75a.jpg)
My jaw just dropped to the floor... :omg:
I wonder if the big building in the middle is the Emperor's palace.
I'm telling you, NOMAC hotel.
Such a lovely place.
On a dark dystopian highway.
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
Yes :P :lol
I wonder if the big building in the middle is the Emperor's palace.
(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/eba1a523074511.5631cd83cb75a.jpg)
My jaw just dropped to the floor... :omg:
ikr . . . this artwork Is UNBELIEVABLE!!!
(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/eba1a523074511.5631cd83cb75a.jpg)
My jaw just dropped to the floor... :omg:
ikr . . . this artwork Is UNBELIEVABLE!!!
My question is, are those round things other versions of NOMACs, or something different? Because...I knew the NOMACs were huge, but buildings ON them?!
Just done a little Web search and found this:
https://inspirationhut.net/inspiration/astonishing-digital-art-by-jie-ma/
Is this related to DT13? Or just coincidence?
Either way he's an astonishing artist :lol
Just done a little Web search and found this:
https://inspirationhut.net/inspiration/astonishing-digital-art-by-jie-ma/
Is this related to DT13? Or just coincidence?
Either way he's an astonishing artist :lol
Best Dream Theater artwork since SFAM!!!!!
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
That's probably because they're still lost in it....
:neverusethis:
The YouTube link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be
at 13:06 about how the band feels about maybe some day writing a double album. Pretty cool. :)
Yeah, I agree. The sky sucks. It should NEVER be included in anything. No more sky. Ever. From anyone.
Nice cover, probably my favourite since SC (which I think is excellent despite the technical issues).You can see part of the majesty symbol on each side of the NOMAC on the webpage for The Astonishing's info. But I don't think anyone looked hard enough to be able to discern those marks as the Majesty symbol before seeing it on the side of the NOMACs on the cover artwork.
I just noticed the NOMACS have the Majesty symbol on the side as well as the bracing being in the same shape.
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
That's probably because they're still lost in it....
:neverusethis:
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
Here is a tangent, but I thought this was cool and somewhat related to the new album discussion. So, by way of background for those who are new to the forum, at the release of DT12, I organized a video chat with the band where they answered questions that were compiled by members of the forum, and the video was saved on YouTube. A link to the thread is here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39047.0
The YouTube link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
Just a thought, but maybe its because those covers featured landscapes in them which were kind of.... outside. In my experience, the sky generally tends to feature in things that are outside.
@Bosk - Speaking of those video chats, which were really great, any hope of another one in the future? They had a lighthearted feel that reminded me of the DVD commentaries that they sadly no longer do.Absolutely this. I would love if the band did something like that a day or two after the album was released to answer questions from the fans and to discuss the themes and motivations behind the album.
Reminds me a lot of Maiden's Brave New World.
another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.
Track times and number of disks leaked:
OMG Machine Chatter 80:00I'm sure it's a spoken-word ambient track with JR playing some pads while Myung retells the astonishing story of how he did a bass solo in a bass solo.
And the Bebot. Don't forget the Bebot.OMG Machine Chatter 80:00I'm sure it's a spoken-word ambient track with JR playing some pads while Myung retells the astonishing story of how he did a bass solo in a bass solo.
Track times and number of disks leaked:
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Track times and number of disks leaked:
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/dtboxsetlol1_zpscqjbwwme.jpg~original)
Track times and number of disks leaked:
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/dtboxsetlol1_zpscqjbwwme.jpg~original)
Cue Zydar's "MS Paint Thread"...in...three...two...
Here is a tangent, but I thought this was cool and somewhat related to the new album discussion. So, by way of background for those who are new to the forum, at the release of DT12, I organized a video chat with the band where they answered questions that were compiled by members of the forum, and the video was saved on YouTube. A link to the thread is here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39047.0
The YouTube link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be
SO many cool things discussed. Some of the highlights are: Lots of cool discussion about DT12; John Myung speaks; John Petrucci on smoking and rubbing his chicken; etc. But the reason I am posting it again in this thread is because there is interesting discussion at 13:06 about how the band feels about maybe some day writing a double album. Pretty cool. :)
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
That's probably because they're still lost in it....
:neverusethis:
The album cover doesn't say "Metropolis Pt. 3: The Astonishing", so it's pretty much confirmed that it's not pt. 3 :P
The album cover doesn't say "Metropolis Pt. 3: The Astonishing", so it's pretty much confirmed that it's not pt. 3 :P
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
By the looks of DT side, I think many people are getting restless at this point. :lol
If so, then people need to grow an attention span (not to mention some gratitude, given how much information has been released and is scheduled to be released). But patience will be rewarded. ...especially this week.
Now i wonder was the cover this what bosk was talking about :D
Track times and number of disks leaked:
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/dtboxsetlol1_zpscqjbwwme.jpg~original)
The album cover doesn't say "Metropolis Pt. 3: The Astonishing", so it's pretty much confirmed that it's not pt. 3 :P
Anyone care to Taaaaaaaake the ttiiiiiiiiime to add up what this would come to ?
20 hours ? :P
Here is a tangent, but I thought this was cool and somewhat related to the new album discussion. So, by way of background for those who are new to the forum, at the release of DT12, I organized a video chat with the band where they answered questions that were compiled by members of the forum, and the video was saved on YouTube. A link to the thread is here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39047.0
The YouTube link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA&feature=youtu.be
SO many cool things discussed. Some of the highlights are: Lots of cool discussion about DT12; John Myung speaks; John Petrucci on smoking and rubbing his chicken; etc. But the reason I am posting it again in this thread is because there is interesting discussion at 13:06 about how the band feels about maybe some day writing a double album. Pretty cool. :)
So you're the guy who ran this interview! Nice job, you're a great host!
Hoping to see what type of press you did with the band :)
The album cover doesn't say "Metropolis Pt. 3: The Astonishing", so it's pretty much confirmed that it's not pt. 3 :P
only dumb people thought it would be metropolis pt. 3
Am I the only one who feels underwhelmed by the new cover? :P
No, you're not..
I mean, I like the art cover.. But: another sky on a DT album cover?.. Seriously guys?.. I think that with ACoS, FII, 8V and ADtOE we had enough of those.. Not to mention I&W, Awake and BC&SL, in which it also appears.. Looks very redundant to me..
Just a thought, but maybe its because those covers featured landscapes in them which were kind of.... outside. In my experience, the sky generally tends to feature in things that are outside.
I can give you dozens and dozens of examples of album covers showing outside's places and where are not skies.. I think you mean that those DT covers feature panoramic landscapes, which is a different thing..
The number of possible elements that can be included in a cover is enormous.. That's why it seems a waste to insist on the same element in so many different albums..
Mine is just a thought too though.. We're nothing but thoughts.. Actually we're more than that, but the phrase looks cool..
Also, 8 NOMACs and 8 characters. Maybe NOMACs are human driven vehicles?
Track times and number of disks leaked:
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I'm with kotowboy, kinda hoping that they're making-of videos.
A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
Just to put my mind at ease...do you know of any plans to bring the full Astonishing production they're putting together in Europe to North America? I'll travel all over the continent if I have to, but can't afford to go to Europe. This seems like it's going to be a MASSIVE production, regardless of the quality of the album (which I'm sure I'll love, because there's not a DT song existence that I find bad), and I can't miss it.A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
I really think you should do all you can to go. I know you are on the fence now, but I really think you will be kicking yourself down the road if you had an opportunity to go and did not. Trust me.
So, was this what Bosk was hinting at, or do we have more to come this week?
I hope those 2 videos aren't "making of" specials. I want a 60 min+ DVD with the deluxe edition of the album as a making of documentary. This is a huge concept. 2 YouTube videos won't cut it imo.
Just to put my mind at ease...do you know of any plans to bring the full Astonishing production they're putting together in Europe to North America?A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
I really think you should do all you can to go. I know you are on the fence now, but I really think you will be kicking yourself down the road if you had an opportunity to go and did not. Trust me.
A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
I really think you should do all you can to go. I know you are on the fence now, but I really think you will be kicking yourself down the road if you had an opportunity to go and did not. Trust me.
I'd go if I were you, the wide assumption, though not certainty, is the CDs will be out a few weeks before the tour begins. Unless you're hit and miss with DT, there's a good chance you'll like it. There's nothing DT has done that I don't like (I like some more than others, of course) so as long as I would be familiar with the music going in the risk would be very, very small.A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
I really think you should do all you can to go. I know you are on the fence now, but I really think you will be kicking yourself down the road if you had an opportunity to go and did not. Trust me.
Well. Damn. I know I don't like to buy tickets to a show before I hear the music. And I know I don't like to pay that much money for a live concert. I'll think about it. Or do you have some inside information to get me to rush to the online store?
I think that´s unprecedented, isn´t it? I can´t remember DT ever even playing a venue in The Netherlands TWICE, let alone Thrice! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Ahh, welcome to DT Forum - a place where you can get corrected for saying 'landscapes' instead of 'panoramic landscapes', and having the sky in too many album covers is dealt with cries of disenchantment. How can you not love it? ;D
I'm not saying there won't be making of videos (It would certainly be interesting), but given how everything else on The Astonishing page is to do with the concept, to me it seems more likely that those videos there will be concept-related. One might be a call-to-arms from Arhys, then a response from the Emperor, or something along those lines.
A third show in Amsterdam. They're really trying to get me to buy tickets, aren't they?
I really think you should do all you can to go. I know you are on the fence now, but I really think you will be kicking yourself down the road if you had an opportunity to go and did not. Trust me.
I've just been listening to some of the new Dream Theater album - It's called The Astonishing and in my opinion, it is truly Astonishing
You'll be able to hear tracks from it and an interview with the band soon on RealRadioXS
From Tom Russell's facebook:QuoteI've just been listening to some of the new Dream Theater album - It's called The Astonishing and in my opinion, it is truly Astonishing
You'll be able to hear tracks from it and an interview with the band soon on RealRadioXS
Bosk does this sound right to you? I'm aware this guy doesn't actually give a date but seems like it could be pretty soon
I'm not specifically aware of what he may be able to play on his show in terms of interviews or music. But it is my understanding that some music from it will be available before too long, just as they have made music from other albums available prior to release. I really cannot say more than that.
Honestly, the only thing I'd be wondering at this point is that if the US will get the "album in its entirety" tour.
Crisis averted - the interview and the tracks will air in january.
Crisis averted - the interview and the tracks will air in january.
@Bosk - Speaking of those video chats, which were really great, any hope of another one in the future? They had a lighthearted feel that reminded me of the DVD commentaries that they sadly no longer do.
Crisis averted - the interview and the tracks will air in january.
why delay an already-recorded interview's release to january
From Tom Russell's facebook:QuoteI've just been listening to some of the new Dream Theater album - It's called The Astonishing and in my opinion, it is truly Astonishing
You'll be able to hear tracks from it and an interview with the band soon on RealRadioXS
Bosk does this sound right to you? I'm aware this guy doesn't actually give a date but seems like it could be pretty soon
Who is this Tom Russel.....? Can't find his FB
Crisis averted - the interview and the tracks will air in january.
why delay an already-recorded interview's release to january
Just like albums are recorded and movies are filmed way before their release, the interviews are being contractually scheduled to be released when the band / the label wants interviews, reviews and song snippets to be released. Maybe by the time they want the interviews out they can't do interviews to be released the day after 'cause they're already busy with rehearsals.
@Bosk - Speaking of those video chats, which were really great, any hope of another one in the future? They had a lighthearted feel that reminded me of the DVD commentaries that they sadly no longer do.
Funny you should ask. I have been thinking about that lately and would really like to. But there are some logistical difficulties that I do not think will allow it this time around. I am talking to folks to see whether or not it can happen, and I personally would like to see it happen, but I am thinking it probably won't work this time around. We'll see. If not, I have some other ideas I am working on as well.
I'm not specifically aware of what he may be able to play on his show in terms of interviews or music. But it is my understanding that some music from it will be available before too long, just as they have made music from other albums available prior to release. I really cannot say more than that.You could, but I understand there would almost be some quite severe repercussions for you.
Trust me. You do not want to miss this.
Again...
WHY 6 EYES?
It has to be a guest. Mostly sure a keyboard player for this kind of adventure. I'm wondering if those tweets between James & Kevin have something to do with this...
Again...
WHY 6 EYES?
It has to be a guest. Mostly sure a keyboard player for this kind of adventure. I'm wondering if those tweets between James & Kevin have something to do with this...
Again...
WHY 6 EYES?
It has to be a guest. Mostly sure a keyboard player for this kind of adventure. I'm wondering if those tweets between James & Kevin have something to do with this...
But it's only three pairs of eyes.....
Female eyes I think ...
Guest vocals confirmed!!!!!!!!!!
I highly doubt Kevin Moore would participate in a retro-futuristic-2112-Oblivion-dystopian progressive metal concept album these days. :lolAgain...
WHY 6 EYES?
It has to be a guest. Mostly sure a keyboard player for this kind of adventure. I'm wondering if those tweets between James & Kevin have something to do with this...
I think I would explode with excitement if this was a collaboration with Kevin Moore....but I highly doubt that :(
Again...
WHY 6 EYES?
It has to be a guest. Mostly sure a keyboard player for this kind of adventure. I'm wondering if those tweets between James & Kevin have something to do with this...
"People" are not going crazy about it.
We've had a lot of new members recently. I can't wait to see their reactions on April 1.
Where are our updates????
Let's say that last April 1st was both horrible and fantastic. Both a bless and a suffering - our dark master bosk still wears the scars of that day (his avatar) :PWe've had a lot of new members recently. I can't wait to see their reactions on April 1.
:huh:
I'm all confused now :lol
Let's say that last April 1st was both horrible and fantastic. Both a bless and a suffering - our dark master bosk still wears the scars of that day (his avatar) :PWe've had a lot of new members recently. I can't wait to see their reactions on April 1.
:huh:
I'm all confused now :lol
Make fun all you want, but I happen to know that a certain past or current member of a certain band that a certain fan forum is named after still currently uses an AOL email address. ;)
What if, a few days before they stream it, they reveal a new, hidden track? :o
Let's say that last April 1st was both horrible and fantastic. Both a bless and a suffering - our dark master bosk still wears the scars of that day (his avatar) :PWe've had a lot of new members recently. I can't wait to see their reactions on April 1.
:huh:
I'm all confused now :lol
Make fun all you want, but I happen to know that a certain past or current member of a certain band that a certain fan forum is named after still currently uses an AOL email address. ;)
Let's say that last April 1st was both horrible and fantastic. Both a bless and a suffering - our dark master bosk still wears the scars of that day (his avatar) :PWe've had a lot of new members recently. I can't wait to see their reactions on April 1.
:huh:
I'm all confused now :lol
Make fun all you want, but I happen to know that a certain past or current member of a certain band that a certain fan forum is named after still currently uses an AOL email address. ;)
PLEASE! Tell us the story!... (harp_sound.Mp3)
I have customers at work that still use an AOL browser. Why? I have no idea. Get with the times, people! ::)Make fun all you want, but I happen to know that a certain past or current member of a certain band that a certain fan forum is named after still currently uses an AOL email address. ;)
Yep, I can confirm this. I have that email address. I wrote to him several years ago and got a response. I also have an AOL address.
And that's what people are going crazy about? ???Mostly because James wrote to Kevin(Moore, not Labrie ;D) "Maybe one day our paths will cross again".
Question:
Is anyone else here planning on not hearing any snippet/single/whatsoever before the actual release?
With DT12, I had only heard TEI once beforeI got to listen to the whole album.
But I think this time I would be more harsh with myself, and make sure the first time I hear any of this album will be it's whole.
Question:
Is anyone else here planning on not hearing any snippet/single/whatsoever before the actual release?
With DT12, I had only heard TEI once beforeI got to listen to the whole album.
But I think this time I would be more harsh with myself, and make sure the first time I hear any of this album will be it's whole.
I agree but I don't think I could resist.. So, at this point, we can say that the album will be released before the European tour? I'm just a bit confused...Have they changed their minds?! :huh:Question:
Is anyone else here planning on not hearing any snippet/single/whatsoever before the actual release?
With DT12, I had only heard TEI once beforeI got to listen to the whole album.
But I think this time I would be more harsh with myself, and make sure the first time I hear any of this album will be it's whole.
I'm thinking about not listening to anything before attending the show! But that means not listening to the album for a month or so after release. And in general I enjoy a show better when I know the songs, but I imagine it especially special to see a DT show full of music thats completely new to me.
previewing songs helps you avoid buying albums you DON'T like
in fact, I didn't buy Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds when they came out (later at bargain price)
If there was any doubt about it, here you go: it IS a double album https://twitter.com/chycki/status/671796025787555840
Just 2 CDs, not 3, nor 4... nor 5 nor 8 :millahhhh
lol at all those fake leaks. They're either rush covers or some lame songs that don't even sound like DT :lol
I mean, how can the album be even leaked at this point? I think mixing/mastering ain't even finished.
there will be a single soon enough
lol at all those fake leaks. They're either rush covers or some lame songs that don't even sound like DT :lolLeaking is absolutely possible at this point, and it would be easy to recognise Mangini's drum sound and to understand if the lyrics are inherent to what we know about the concept.
I mean, how can the album be even leaked at this point? I think mixing/mastering ain't even finished.
I wonder how tracks leak, does the band know about it? Are they ok with that?
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked. In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever. For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.
there will be a single soon enough
I don't think I'll actually buy this album. I was so disappointed by the sound of the latest one that I have only listened to it a few times. I have a lot of music that doesn't sound particularly great, including stuff I have mixed myself, but I actively dislike the DT mix. At least the HD download didn't have the brickwalled master on top. Sorry for being so negative, but I really look forward to the live show though :tup
I don't think I'll actually buy this album. I was so disappointed by the sound of the latest one that I have only listened to it a few times. I have a lot of music that doesn't sound particularly great, including stuff I have mixed myself, but I actively dislike the DT mix. At least the HD download didn't have the brickwalled master on top. Sorry for being so negative, but I really look forward to the live show though :tupBecause this makes sense.
Hey guys! For good measure, probably just don't talk about leaks at all, fake or otherwise.Correct.
I'm so excited to finally get an actual double album from DT. SDOIT was close, but I don't think it was officially recognized as a double album because it didn't get to the length requirement for a double album.
Looks like I got me some banning to do.Oh boy.
Looks like the single will be (officially) released tomorrow:
https://myspace.com/dreamtheater/music/album/the-gift-of-music-20776446
I'm so excited to finally get an actual double album from DT. SDOIT was close, but I don't think it was officially recognized as a double album because it didn't get to the length requirement for a double album.
SDOIT is 90 minutes long. That's more than enough to warrant 2 discs.
The real challenge starts tomorrow (?) when the single will be released.If an official single is released, there most likely will be a thread dedicated to it's discussion to reduce spoilers. This has been before on this forum.
I will probably have to avoid the internet for while in order to pavoid spoilers.
I hope that the folks who WILL listen to the single will be able to discuss it in a designated thread, and keep this one spoiler-free.
Thanks! ;D
The real challenge starts tomorrow (?) when the single will be released.If an official single is released, there most likely will be a thread dedicated to it's discussion to reduce spoilers. This has been before on this forum.
I will probably have to avoid the internet for while in order to pavoid spoilers.
I hope that the folks who WILL listen to the single will be able to discuss it in a designated thread, and keep this one spoiler-free.
Thanks! ;D
And that's what people are going crazy about? ???Mostly because James wrote to Kevin(Moore, not Labrie ;D) "Maybe one day our paths will cross again".
So the path won't divide them... Maybe because they've chosen the same side!! :lol
I didn't even know that myspace was still a thing!That's probably why they put it there :lol No one was supposed to know
They underestimated the power of DTF :lolI didn't even know that myspace was still a thing!That's probably why they put it there :lol No one was supposed to know
Looks like the single will be (officially) released tomorrow:
https://myspace.com/dreamtheater/music/album/the-gift-of-music-20776446
Myspace?
I thought the album was supposed to take place 200 years in the future not 10 years in the past.
I have a feeling this album cycle may break Ariich. :facepalm:
I believe for a double album to be counted as two albums for sales purposes, it needs to reach a certain length. And I do not believe SDOIT was long enough.
there will be a single soon enough
I keep reading The Gift of Guilt, this new Death Metal DT single is gonna be epic :metal
Hey guys! I don't know if anyone was aware, but this band Dream Theater is working on their 13th album. Some are already saying that it will be a double concept album, but that's way too far-fetched, even for them.
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to hear the cool drum parts that Mike Portnoy will come up with this time!
there will be a single soon enough
That's not soon enough!
:)
Apologies, I thought it was just sharing of links and not discussion.
I'll edit my posts, not sure I can delete them.
Well the mods make the final decision . . . but good on you to edit it out :)
I have been following this thread daily, but due to the potential of spoilers will cease to visit the Dream Theater forum until I have this astonishing new album in my hands, and have a chance to listen to it for myself, start to stop.
I can confirm that, at least according to the last version of the rollout schedule I have, The Gift of Music WILL be available to listen to soon. As far as I know, the site that posted it early was not authorized to do so. As always, if it is not through an official source, assume it is not safe to post or discuss. If you need clarification on what is or is not fair game, PM me or a mod BEFORE posting.
I have been following this thread daily, but due to the potential of spoilers will cease to visit the Dream Theater forum until I have this astonishing new album in my hands, and have a chance to listen to it for myself, start to stop.
Understood, Chris. I admire your self-control. Sometimes, I wish I had the luxury of being able to stay away. But given my position here, I kind of have to be somewhat on top of all the latest news so I can help weed out leaks and fakes and just generally do my job. It is my curse, and I gladly accept it. :)
Anyone notice the similarities to the new Meagadeth album cover (Dystopia). Looks like Nomacs hovering in a futuristic setting. I wonder if it's the same artist. Btw, the cover looks awesome on the new Megadeth and DT albums..
I have been following this thread daily, but due to the potential of spoilers will cease to visit the Dream Theater forum until I have this astonishing new album in my hands, and have a chance to listen to it for myself, start to stop.No DT league? :'( Or are you talking about this subforum solely?
I have been following this thread daily, but due to the potential of spoilers will cease to visit the Dream Theater forum until I have this astonishing new album in my hands, and have a chance to listen to it for myself, start to stop.No DT league? :'( Or are you talking about this subforum solely?
TO HELL WITH IT.
click here for new music (https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/releases) :neverusethis: :nomac:
TO HELL WITH IT.
click here for new music (https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/releases) :neverusethis: :nomac:
TO HELL WITH IT.
click here for new music (https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/releases) :neverusethis: :nomac:
Man DT's new music really took a big dip in quality.
*snip*
Some suggestions for the possible or future leaks... treat downloading music as masturbation. Everybody does it? yes. Do people talk about it in public? hell no.
;D
treat downloading music as masturbation. Everybody does it? yes. Do people talk about it in public? hell no.
I didn't even know that myspace was still a thing!
I have a feeling this album cycle may break Ariich. :facepalm:FFS. :lol
I have a feeling this album cycle may break Ariich. :facepalm:FFS. :lol
Thread cleared a bit more. Might be some more bans once I'm home and am not posting from my phone.
I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar, but every time I look at the NOMACs I can't help but think of the servitors from Destiny.
Forgive me if this comparison was made before, I haven't read all 71 pages! Haha
Really loving the leaked track. I didn't think JLB was capable of reaching the high notes anymore until I heard the "CRUCIFYYY" chorus.https://youtu.be/p8jKFJsXWpM
Really loving the leaked track. I didn't think JLB was capable of reaching the high notes anymore until I heard the "CRUCIFYYY" chorus.https://youtu.be/p8jKFJsXWpM
I'd hope it's fake, whatever it is.
Excuse me for not reading all 71 pages on this thread.. :\Anyone notice the similarities to the new Meagadeth album cover (Dystopia). Looks like Nomacs hovering in a futuristic setting. I wonder if it's the same artist. Btw, the cover looks awesome on the new Megadeth and DT albums..
It has been discussed actually . . . wonder if it is related :huh:
Really loving the leaked track. I didn't think JLB was capable of reaching the high notes anymore until I heard the "CRUCIFYYY" chorus.https://youtu.be/p8jKFJsXWpM
I'd hope it's fake, whatever it is.
It's a joke from when around the Octavarium era songs from James' solo album were passed off as DT's, Crucify is the opening track of Elements of Persuasion.
Excuse me for not reading all 71 pages on this thread.. :\Anyone notice the similarities to the new Meagadeth album cover (Dystopia). Looks like Nomacs hovering in a futuristic setting. I wonder if it's the same artist. Btw, the cover looks awesome on the new Megadeth and DT albums..
It has been discussed actually . . . wonder if it is related :huh:
Well, i could win that, but i'm disqualified since i already know ;)
Among the largest of the planetThat's why I don't post very often, always deep down in the shadowy depths hiding in the abyss. Gotta write a epic song about this..
The giant squid - the architeuthis
How can this massive creature
Escape the hordes of searching eyes
Escape the wisdom of the wise
Escape the sonar, the bathyscaphe
Returns with countless plotted graphs?
Architeuthis - show yourself to us!
Who will find it first? :corn:
Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with premier of The Gift of Music!)
Really loving the leaked track. I didn't think JLB was capable of reaching the high notes anymore until I heard the "CRUCIFYYY" chorus.
Oh shoot, sorry I misinterpreted what you said (my bad). Thanks for clarifying, it's all good. :blushExcuse me for not reading all 71 pages on this thread.. :\Anyone notice the similarities to the new Meagadeth album cover (Dystopia). Looks like Nomacs hovering in a futuristic setting. I wonder if it's the same artist. Btw, the cover looks awesome on the new Megadeth and DT albums..
It has been discussed actually . . . wonder if it is related :huh:
I was just saying it has been discussed matter-of-factly, not trying to attack you ;)
I don't blame you . . . like I've said I wouldn't wish reading this whole thread on anyone :lol
I just meant "I wonder if it is related" as in the two album covers. No worries . . . sorry for the misunderstanding :)
I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar, but every time I look at the NOMACs I can't help but think of the servitors from Destiny.
(https://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140610174930/destinypedia/images/e/e1/Sepiks_Prime_Closeup.png)
Forgive me if this comparison was made before, I haven't read all 71 pages! Haha
I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar, but every time I look at the NOMACs I can't help but think of the servitors from Destiny.
(https://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140610174930/destinypedia/images/e/e1/Sepiks_Prime_Closeup.png)
Forgive me if this comparison was made before, I haven't read all 71 pages! Haha
And I can't help but think of Flight of the Navigator.
Compliance!
(https://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/flight-of-the-navigator-towatchpile.jpeg)
Is no one curious why bosk changed the title? I can't find the single :| tried the obvious by clicking the :nomac: eyes
tried the obvious by clicking the :nomac: eyes
Is no one curious why bosk changed the title? I can't find the single :| tried the obvious by clicking the :nomac: eyes:itsatrap:
Is no one curious why bosk changed the title? I can't find the single :| tried the obvious by clicking the :nomac: eyes
Trolling us by confirming the title of the first single.Is no one curious why bosk changed the title? I can't find the single :| tried the obvious by clicking the :nomac: eyes
Trolling us is the most obvious answer :biggrin:
I wish I knew what I was allowed to discuss :mehlin
Oh shoot, sorry I misinterpreted what you said (my bad). Thanks for clarifying, it's all good. :blush
I wish I knew what I was allowed to discuss :mehlin
I wish I knew what I was allowed to discuss :mehlin
if you aren't sure. Don't discuss anything. And definitely don't link to any music on youtube or elsewhere.
The fact that they release The Gift of Music as the first single also hints towards the idea that the first two songs a) won't be actual songs or b) will be instrumental, just because it wouldn't make sense to release a song from a rock opera that's set somewhere in the middle of the story. At least that's how I see it, I don't know how they handled that with SFAM.
Bosk is out of control. No, Noxon, NOOOO!Well, i could win that, but i'm disqualified since i already know ;)
:bosk1:
https://www.dreamtheater.net/theastonishing
somethings going on at that site...
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-dream-theaters-wildly-ambitious-new-concept-lp-20151203
this link seems as official as any :tup
but if not ill take it down, not trying to face the ban hammer...
Wait, does that mean that the people who posted the leaks were banned for publishing the song just hours before the band itself released it?
:lol
Wait, does that mean that the people who posted the leaks were banned for publishing the song just hours before the band itself released it?
:lol
Yes.
That's what you get for opening Christmas presents before the family gathers on 25th December to do it all together.
Just listen to those choirs!Yeah, the snare and kicks all sound the same. But it sounds fresh. Those choirs are awesome
The whole song gives off this nice SDOIT vibe.
I still don't like the snare.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-dream-theaters-wildly-ambitious-new-concept-lp-20151203
this link seems as official as any :tup
but if not ill take it down, not trying to face the ban hammer...
Yes, that is the official premier link. Discuss away.
Yup. I will add that, in light of discovering how soon the official release was planned anyway, I reduced the bans to a standard 1 week. But the rules are the rules, and they're really not difficult to follow.Wait, does that mean that the people who posted the leaks were banned for publishing the song just hours before the band itself released it?
:lol
Yes.
That's what you get for opening Christmas presents before the family gathers on 25th December to do it all together.
Correct.
Hmmm…at 1:24 "timeeee", pretty obvious the vocals are melodyned (for those who does´t know what Melodyne is…kinda like auto-tune, but instead you can edit note/note) This particular part is very bad edit!! :town Other than that…sounds fantastic, great mix
Just listen to those choirs!
The whole song gives off this nice SDOIT vibe.
Currently on my third listen in the last 20 minutes, in between trying to take everything in and just being relieved that something is happening after the sheer madness of the last few hours.
Song is awesome, needless to say. To me, the opening lyrics sound like they would be the first ones sung on the album, meaning that the first 2 tracks would be instrumentals.
JP - "I've honestly said this, and I'll say it again: I don't think there's any other singer but James who could have really pulled this off the way that he did. He's going to need some serious therapy — I think there's only one character that doesn't have a singing part, and he played all of them"
That rules out guest singers then. Thank goodness for that.
JP - "I've honestly said this, and I'll say it again: I don't think there's any other singer but James who could have really pulled this off the way that he did. He's going to need some serious therapy — I think there's only one character that doesn't have a singing part, and he played all of them"
That rules out guest singers then. Thank goodness for that.
they're bound to play something else, isn't it? or it is really just the album and that's it?
I liked it I must say. Most pressing concern of mine right now, this is very wall-of-sound still.Yeah once it gets going it's all fairly high volume, but to me (and based on the youtube stream) it didn't seem ridiculously so. Normal-loud as it were, rather than loud-loud. Can't tell a great deal from this about how the album will end up sounding, as there's clearly going to be quite a bit of variety across it.
I'm not really impressed to be honest. There are some fine vocal melodies, but overall it all comes off as pretty weak. The best part is definitely the instrumental break with the snarling pig towards the end, I really dig that part. The weakest would definitely be the choir part. The drums sound better than DT12 and ADTOE but the snare is still terrible to my ears.
I'm not really impressed to be honest. There are some fine vocal melodies, but overall it all comes off as pretty weak. The best part is definitely the instrumental break with the snarling pig towards the end, I really dig that part. The weakest would definitely be the choir part. The drums sound better than DT12 and ADTOE but the snare is still terrible to my ears.
That's subjective, the choir part is the best for me, being epic and all
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Agree with you 100%. The choir adds so much.
I liked it I must say. Most pressing concern of mine right now, this is very wall-of-sound still.
So 2h 10mins of new music....The release that gives the 2 hour 40 minutes figure says it includes pauses. Whatever that means.
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
So 2h 10mins of new music....
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
And that is an underlying theme; there's kind of a juxtaposition throughout the album of this sort of noise music, this music made by the Noise Machines, this artificial intelligence, and how that compares to the music that Dream Theater is playing as our musical score, which has real piano, real organ, real orchestra, real choir, real instruments.
Liked the song, looking forward to the album and all, but I'm freaking praying that they don't let Jordan go hog wild with goofy keyboard solos.It could also be that they will have musical pieces but played electronically to sound mechanical? Like a basic MIDI track? I'm sure there will be some kind of sfx section somewhere but hopefully not too long.
Didn't the various sites say the shows were 2h40 including intermission. Factor a bit of time between some of the songs for breathers, shifting sets around, etc., and there's time for maybe one short song at most as an encore.So 2h 10mins of new music....
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
Yeah, that's why I was wondering about an encore... Set 1 will be Act I and set 2 will be Act II, and then 2-3 songs to round up the evening? well, the encore would be the icing on the cake, I wouldn't be disappointed if it will be only the album.
And 2h40 minutes is the length of an Evening With Shows. 3 hours minus 15 minutes of intermission. Which makes 2h45', ok, but we're there.
Do you think JP wrote all the lyrics to this, or maybe some contribution was made by other members?
I don't know if this is a bad behavior, but someone can share lyrics? I'm lost in some parts :eek
Do you think JP wrote all the lyrics to this, or maybe some contribution was made by other members?According to the interview, it certainly would appear JP contributed a lot, if not all, to the story and subsequent lyrics.
I'm not really impressed to be honest. There are some fine vocal melodies, but overall it all comes off as pretty weak. The best part is definitely the instrumental break with the snarling pig towards the end, I really dig that part. The weakest would definitely be the choir part. The drums sound better than DT12 and ADTOE but the snare is still terrible to my ears.
That's subjective, the choir part is the best for me, being epic and all
Do you think JP wrote all the lyrics to this, or maybe some contribution was made by other members?According to the interview, it certainly would appear JP contributed a lot, if not all, to the story and subsequent lyrics.
So did I read from that JP interview that there will be no guest singers OR orchestra in the live shows? BUT there will be full video show with a kind of transforming set?
"Will you be augmenting the band at all when you play The Astonishing live?
We're not going to be augmenting the band as far as other performers — if we were to film this for a DVD or do a really special location, that would be the instance where we'd have a live orchestra and choir. But we decided to take a lot of time and a lot of care to enlist a company that could create the visuals, so that this is as much of a visual show as it is an aural experience. Because this is character-driven and there are locations, we're going to try to make the stage almost like a transformative stage, an immersive stage, where the settings come to life, and a lot of the artwork is going to be animated. We wanted it to be the closest thing to watching a movie while the band is playing a live score, basically."
OH
MY
GOD!
So did I read from that JP interview that there will be no guest singers OR orchestra in the live shows? BUT there will be full video show with a kind of transforming set?
Yes, and the interview reveals a lot of great information, people are probably busy listening to the song, but I'd definitely encourage everyone to read the article as well.
As for the song itself, I really liked it. Great little short 4 minute DT song. The sonics sound pretty good (judging by YouTube). The band sounds great as always. Killer JP solo...
QuoteAnd that is an underlying theme; there's kind of a juxtaposition throughout the album of this sort of noise music, this music made by the Noise Machines, this artificial intelligence, and how that compares to the music that Dream Theater is playing as our musical score, which has real piano, real organ, real orchestra, real choir, real instruments.
Liked the song, looking forward to the album and all, but I'm freaking praying that they don't let Jordan go hog wild with goofy keyboard solos.
"Will you be augmenting the band at all when you play The Astonishing live?
We're not going to be augmenting the band as far as other performers — if we were to film this for a DVD or do a really special location [...]
Didn't the various sites say the shows were 2h40 including intermission. Factor a bit of time between some of the songs for breathers, shifting sets around, etc., and there's time for maybe one short song at most as an encore.So 2h 10mins of new music....
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
Yeah, that's why I was wondering about an encore... Set 1 will be Act I and set 2 will be Act II, and then 2-3 songs to round up the evening? well, the encore would be the icing on the cake, I wouldn't be disappointed if it will be only the album.
And 2h40 minutes is the length of an Evening With Shows. 3 hours minus 15 minutes of intermission. Which makes 2h45', ok, but we're there.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I don't know what was more hilarious, the song or the youtube comments. One of them compared it to SDOIT. :rollin Bitch please...
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anyone? no?
Apart from this, I think DT are on to a winner so far, and I wasn't keen on the idea of a whole fantasy thing
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I don't know what was more hilarious, the song or the youtube comments. One of them compared it to SDOIT. :rollin Bitch please...
Well, I don't know whats so bad about that comparison? It's got a "about to crash" vibe.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
lol @ people complaining about Melodyne
Amazing track. I love this!
Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
lol @ people complaining about Melodyne
Amazing track. I love this!
Well, I love the track aswell...but I'm not complaining, just a bit shocked they let that one slip through
Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
lol @ people complaining about Melodyne
Amazing track. I love this!
Well, I love the track aswell...but I'm not complaining, just a bit shocked they let that one slip through
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.I am now extremely excited and jealous at the same time.
Also.
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
As for wall of sound... Not to worry. Whereas the s/t deafened me the first times i heard it, and i couldn't get a grasp of the music because of listeners fatigue, not so on what I've heard so far (which is the same thing bosk1 has heard, btw).
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
I thought it was supposed to be more of an "intro" song.
Didn't the various sites say the shows were 2h40 including intermission. Factor a bit of time between some of the songs for breathers, shifting sets around, etc., and there's time for maybe one short song at most as an encore.So 2h 10mins of new music....
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
Yeah, that's why I was wondering about an encore... Set 1 will be Act I and set 2 will be Act II, and then 2-3 songs to round up the evening? well, the encore would be the icing on the cake, I wouldn't be disappointed if it will be only the album.
And 2h40 minutes is the length of an Evening With Shows. 3 hours minus 15 minutes of intermission. Which makes 2h45', ok, but we're there.
Maybe they'll do a second tour with a mix of songs from The Astonishing and at least half of the show will be older songs.
Also, I've been wanting to say this for quite some time: I'm pretty much expecting them to do what they've always done, in that the album(s) will be a combination of at least one less than 7 minute "hard rock/metal" song, at least one ballad, at least one instrumental, and at least one "epic-ish" (over ten minutes) track on each disc. It may be that a lot of the OTHER tracks are just little snippets of dialogue and/or music and/or sound effects that are just included to move the story along.
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
Some people just love to criticise !
I don't know what was more hilarious, the song or the youtube comments. One of them compared it to SDOIT. :rollin Bitch please...
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
Some people just love to criticise !
I don't know what was more hilarious, the song or the youtube comments. One of them compared it to SDOIT. :rollin Bitch please...
Where/how did you find this on YouTube?
I just looked for it a little while ago, and all I found was a 38 second excerpt, with the commentary option disabled.
Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
I thought it was supposed to be more of an "intro" song.
Did you not read the interview? "Jordan and I wrote the music as really a prog-metal score to the story. We didn't sit down and say, "Let's write a song, here's the first chorus, whatever." We would go through the story and say, "What's happening here, where is it taking place?" We had to make sure the mythology was right, the timeline was right."
They focus on the story first and foremost, so the songs will be most likely be shorter in order to convey a part of the story, and with repating themes throughout like you'll hear in a movie score. The songs will be standalone, but yet be telling a whole story, and be designed to be played as a whole.
"The one instance that kept speaking to me — where a band had this presentation where it wasn't only about the album, but there was a movie connected to it, there were animations, and there was a show that was immersive — was when Pink Floyd did The Wall. At the same time, I purposely didn't want to really think too much about other concept albums or rock operas, and come from more of a storytelling perspective, take my love for everything — whether it be Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, The Hunger Games, Game of Thrones, Les [Miserables], Jesus Christ Superstar, Disney movies — and come from the perspective of the elements that make those things so special, and such a big part of our lives."
Think movie score and musical, rather than Dream Theater.
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
Some people just love to criticise !
If there is a legitimate editing error, I have no problem passing it along to let them know, because it might just be one of those things where it isn't obvious unless you are listening for it, but once you are aware it is glaring. That happens. Bands release albums all the time with things like that. But in this case, even knowing right where it supposedly is, I just don't hear it.
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I'm re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
Let's reserve the song length bashing for when you find out if there are actually no songs over 4-5 minutes.Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
I thought it was supposed to be more of an "intro" song.
Did you not read the interview? "Jordan and I wrote the music as really a prog-metal score to the story. We didn't sit down and say, "Let's write a song, here's the first chorus, whatever." We would go through the story and say, "What's happening here, where is it taking place?" We had to make sure the mythology was right, the timeline was right."
They focus on the story first and foremost, so the songs will be most likely be shorter in order to convey a part of the story, and with repating themes throughout like you'll hear in a movie score. The songs will be standalone, but yet be telling a whole story, and be designed to be played as a whole.
"The one instance that kept speaking to me — where a band had this presentation where it wasn't only about the album, but there was a movie connected to it, there were animations, and there was a show that was immersive — was when Pink Floyd did The Wall. At the same time, I purposely didn't want to really think too much about other concept albums or rock operas, and come from more of a storytelling perspective, take my love for everything — whether it be Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, The Hunger Games, Game of Thrones, Les [Miserables], Jesus Christ Superstar, Disney movies — and come from the perspective of the elements that make those things so special, and such a big part of our lives."
Think movie score and musical, rather than Dream Theater.
I dont know why, but it kinda scare me that you say there wont be long tracks. I get that its a different concept, and I respect that. But after a while the story and all the surroundings will fade, and all we will be left with is the music. And I really think DT shines the most with the long songs. An album full of 4-5 min songs will just not age well with me I think. I get that this borders on Irrational thinking but I cant explain it, its just my feelings.
I'm a big fan of their longer tracks too. I think that we'll be able to combine two or more tracks into a longer "song" similar to the way that can be done on other albums - I can't think of any right now but you guys know what I'm talking about, right?Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
I thought it was supposed to be more of an "intro" song.
Did you not read the interview? "Jordan and I wrote the music as really a prog-metal score to the story. We didn't sit down and say, "Let's write a song, here's the first chorus, whatever." We would go through the story and say, "What's happening here, where is it taking place?" We had to make sure the mythology was right, the timeline was right."
They focus on the story first and foremost, so the songs will be most likely be shorter in order to convey a part of the story, and with repating themes throughout like you'll hear in a movie score. The songs will be standalone, but yet be telling a whole story, and be designed to be played as a whole.
"The one instance that kept speaking to me — where a band had this presentation where it wasn't only about the album, but there was a movie connected to it, there were animations, and there was a show that was immersive — was when Pink Floyd did The Wall. At the same time, I purposely didn't want to really think too much about other concept albums or rock operas, and come from more of a storytelling perspective, take my love for everything — whether it be Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, The Hunger Games, Game of Thrones, Les [Miserables], Jesus Christ Superstar, Disney movies — and come from the perspective of the elements that make those things so special, and such a big part of our lives."
Think movie score and musical, rather than Dream Theater.
I dont know why, but it kinda scare me that you say there wont be long tracks. I get that its a different concept, and I respect that. But after a while the story and all the surroundings will fade, and all we will be left with is the music. And I really think DT shines the most with the long songs. An album full of 4-5 min songs will just not age well with me I think. I get that this borders on Irrational thinking but I cant explain it, its just my feelings.
Tuning vocals on modern rock records is really nothing new. it's been a thing for decades.
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
Some people just love to criticise !
If there is a legitimate editing error, I have no problem passing it along to let them know, because it might just be one of those things where it isn't obvious unless you are listening for it, but once you are aware it is glaring. That happens. Bands release albums all the time with things like that. But in this case, even knowing right where it supposedly is, I just don't hear it.
I guess you will not hear the edit unless you're familiar with melodyne, and how that affects the sound. So lets just forget that I mentioned the mistake :-) Could be that it's supposed to sound that way/ they want it to sound that way 😊
(and it might not be done yet)
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
Track times and number of disks leaked:Got pretty close there with The Gift of Music, let's see how you do with the rest of them.l
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/dtboxsetlol1_zpscqjbwwme.jpg~original)
Got pretty close there with The Gift of Music, let's see how you do with the rest of them.l
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
I've always thought it weird that we tune guitars. we tune drums. we tune pianos.
but if we tune vocals on a studio album - people are like :dangerwillrobinson: dafuq
I've always thought it weird that we tune guitars. we tune drums. we tune pianos.
but if we tune vocals on a studio album - people are like :dangerwillrobinson: dafuq
I love it! Stoked for the album.
And regarding the so called "time" autotune bit? Is that really autotune? As a vocalist, it doesn't necessarily sound like something that is the result of software trickery to me? Seems more like a stylistic choice of Labrie to me on first impression.
I've always thought it weird that we tune guitars. we tune drums. we tune pianos.
but if we tune vocals on a studio album - people are like :dangerwillrobinson: dafuq
Hey, there's no news that vocals are tuned...everyone do that these days..and it's ok! But a audible mistake isnt that common though
This sounds a lot like Trent Gardners "The absolute man"
I have wanted DT to make an album like that for many years.
Didn't the various sites say the shows were 2h40 including intermission. Factor a bit of time between some of the songs for breathers, shifting sets around, etc., and there's time for maybe one short song at most as an encore.So 2h 10mins of new music....
It's still 30mins of other music live... ::)
Yeah, that's why I was wondering about an encore... Set 1 will be Act I and set 2 will be Act II, and then 2-3 songs to round up the evening? well, the encore would be the icing on the cake, I wouldn't be disappointed if it will be only the album.
And 2h40 minutes is the length of an Evening With Shows. 3 hours minus 15 minutes of intermission. Which makes 2h45', ok, but we're there.
Maybe they'll do a second tour with a mix of songs from The Astonishing and at least half of the show will be older songs.
Also, I've been wanting to say this for quite some time: I'm pretty much expecting them to do what they've always done, in that the album(s) will be a combination of at least one less than 7 minute "hard rock/metal" song, at least one ballad, at least one instrumental, and at least one "epic-ish" (over ten minutes) track on each disc. It may be that a lot of the OTHER tracks are just little snippets of dialogue and/or music and/or sound effects that are just included to move the story along.
I don't really think it's a case of "it MAY BE"!!!!!......it WILL be of course. Surely no-one really expects 25 - 30+ full, proper songs do they?!!!!!!
I love it! Stoked for the album.
And regarding the so called "time" autotune bit? Is that really autotune? As a vocalist, it doesn't necessarily sound like something that is the result of software trickery to me? Seems more like a stylistic choice of Labrie to me on first impression.
It's not Auto-tune...it's Melodyne, big difference
I was paying so much attention to the music I didn't hardly watch the video, but considering how much effort went into this whole concept, the video was a major letdown.
Let's reserve the song length bashing for when you find out if there are actually no songs over 4-5 minutes.Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
I thought it was supposed to be more of an "intro" song.
Did you not read the interview? "Jordan and I wrote the music as really a prog-metal score to the story. We didn't sit down and say, "Let's write a song, here's the first chorus, whatever." We would go through the story and say, "What's happening here, where is it taking place?" We had to make sure the mythology was right, the timeline was right."
They focus on the story first and foremost, so the songs will be most likely be shorter in order to convey a part of the story, and with repating themes throughout like you'll hear in a movie score. The songs will be standalone, but yet be telling a whole story, and be designed to be played as a whole.
"The one instance that kept speaking to me — where a band had this presentation where it wasn't only about the album, but there was a movie connected to it, there were animations, and there was a show that was immersive — was when Pink Floyd did The Wall. At the same time, I purposely didn't want to really think too much about other concept albums or rock operas, and come from more of a storytelling perspective, take my love for everything — whether it be Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, The Hunger Games, Game of Thrones, Les [Miserables], Jesus Christ Superstar, Disney movies — and come from the perspective of the elements that make those things so special, and such a big part of our lives."
Think movie score and musical, rather than Dream Theater.
I dont know why, but it kinda scare me that you say there wont be long tracks. I get that its a different concept, and I respect that. But after a while the story and all the surroundings will fade, and all we will be left with is the music. And I really think DT shines the most with the long songs. An album full of 4-5 min songs will just not age well with me I think. I get that this borders on Irrational thinking but I cant explain it, its just my feelings.
And there really hasn't been anything definitive from anyone on the topic of track lengths, besides people saying this likely doesn't leave any room for a long epic. But who knows. Bosk and Noxon can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anything has been released regarding the track lengths besides the song "The Gift of Music," which is 4:07.
Vocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant autotune edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
Vocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant autotune edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
:tupVocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant autotune edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
No, it's definitely a MELODYNE edit mistake...not Auto-Tune!! Watch this video: https://youtu.be/aw5MHXQpsbk
If you tweak the notes to much...then you'll get that "timeeee" effect!! Trust me, I work/record/edit professionally...and there's no way you as a vocalist can naturally sound that way! If you actually can...then you're a living melodyne machine 😄😉
Epic teaser that really leaves you wanting more! To me, the snare sounds like I&W...better than last time for sure (felt distracting to me on DT12). Overall mix feels much more open than DT12. My favorite part is when the dirty organ comes out to play, leading into the orchestra that slowly creeps into the guitar riff. :metal Quality stuff! Choir sounds great as well. Also have mention I love Myung on this song! Pretty clean and in your face bass sound.
Why do I get the feeling they'll pull a huge plot twist at the end, where the Astonishing was just a bad dream Nicholas had :rollin
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
Guys, It's has been made on purpose! Because people have no time for music anymoooaaahhhh
BTW, great single! :)
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
Guys, It's has been made on purpose! Because people have no time for music anymoooaaahhhh
BTW, great single! :)
Vocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant sound production edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
Why do I get the feeling they'll pull a huge plot twist at the end, where the Astonishing was just a bad dream Nicholas had :rollin
Open your eyes, Nicholas! :lol
Ok song. Sounds like it's a transitional song. Not like a segue or anything. More of a filler to keep the story going.
Vocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant autotune edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
No, it's definitely a MELODYNE edit mistake...not Auto-Tune!! Watch this video: https://youtu.be/aw5MHXQpsbk
If you tweak the notes to much...then you'll get that "timeeee" effect!! Trust me, I work/record/edit professionally...and there's no way you as a vocalist can naturally sound that way! If you actually can...then you're a living melodyne machine 😄😉
I know we all joke on here that The Astonishing would be the new Falling Into Infinity...
Because A Dramatic Turn of Events was Images and Words part 2
But FII was originally going to be a double album...And on The Astonishing they've used an outside writer...
:lol
I've always thought it weird that we tune guitars. we tune drums. we tune pianos.A very interesting point of view.
but if we tune vocals on a studio album - people are like :dangerwillrobinson: dafuq
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
Guys, It's has been made on purpose! Because people have no time for music anymoooaaahhhh
BTW, great single! :)
Actually, after listening a couple of times...the whole line "people just don't..." to the most audible "time" are actually wrongfully melodyned. Very very weird!! Why would they actually release a single with such a mistake! OR as you are saying...they might wanna make a statement within those lines
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
Guys, It's has been made on purpose! Because people have no time for music anymoooaaahhhh
BTW, great single! :)
Actually, after listening a couple of times...the whole line "people just don't..." to the most audible "time" are actually wrongfully melodyned. Very very weird!! Why would they actually release a single with such a mistake! OR as you are saying...they might wanna make a statement within those lines
Don't point out flaws to women. You'll never get laid.
Calling it now: the beginning of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY) is Descent of the NOMACS and Dystopian Overture is a part of it
Calling it now: the beginning of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY) is Descent of the NOMACS and Dystopian Overture is a part of it
I think you're spot on!
I still don't hear the autotune even after focusing on it and replaying the part over and over.Same here for me. I've re-listened to the timestamp provided 10+ times and I got nothing. :huh:
I just went back to it and there is just something off about it. It's like "...people have no time for music anymore..." and it sounds like they tried to lower the pitch when LaBrie sings "time", so it sounds like "time[uaauw]", just between 1:22 and 1:23
Guys, It's has been made on purpose! Because people have no time for music anymoooaaahhhh
BTW, great single! :)
Actually, after listening a couple of times...the whole line "people just don't..." to the most audible "time" are actually wrongfully melodyned. Very very weird!! Why would they actually release a single with such a mistake! OR as you are saying...they might wanna make a statement within those lines
Don't point out flaws to women. You'll never get laid.
"So is that your real make-up or do you want to make a statement with that?"
Calling it now: the beginning of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gex6oo7U8FY) is Descent of the NOMACS and Dystopian Overture is a part of it
If that's on the album i'll eat my socks.
If that's on the album i'll eat my socks.
i'll eat my socks.
Bloody hell, now I can't unhear the Melodyne flub. At least we've sorted out what this album's early talking points are going to revolve around (ADTOE's IAW comparisons, DT12's cover artwork being cut off)...
I doubt Noxon has heard the entire album yet, but I wouldn't doubt him if he makes a claim like this.If that's on the album i'll eat my socks.If that's on the album i'll eat my socks.i'll eat my socks.
It's not on the album, guys.
LYRICS:
Far in the distant future
Beyond the pages of our time
Cold-blooded wicked tyrant
(Dreamt?) _____ in the freedom of mankind
Corruption, lust, and greed
Define the new nobility
Changing the course of history
ARHYS:
I cross the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
Where they're secluded ______
We are living day to day
Forced to bear the lion's share
People just don't have the time for music anymore
And no one seems to care
My friends have seen the Chosen One
The quest for freedom has begun
He will be the answer to our prayers
There walks a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
My brother Gabriel
Is all the hope we need
Shining like a beacon in the night
_____ of Ravenskill, a reason to believe
Music is the gift he brings
The song ___________ when he sings
Anyone else get an OTBOA vibe in the section like 2:54-3:15? I've seen people referencing ATC a few times, but to me the OTBOA outro was the closest thing I felt any part of the song came to.First few notes sound like OTBOA intro as well
"threaten the freedom"
"shepherd of ravenskill"
"the songbirds stop to listen "
LYRICS:Who do you guys think is the writer of those lyrics? I think it might even be Myung...
Far in the distant future
Beyond the pages of our time
Cold-blooded wicked tyrant
(Dreamt?) _____ in the freedom of mankind
Corruption, lust, and greed
Define the new nobility
Changing the course of history
ARHYS:
I cross the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
Where they're secluded ______
We are living day to day
Forced to bear the lion's share
People just don't have the time for music anymore
And no one seems to care
My friends have seen the Chosen One
The quest for freedom has begun
He will be the answer to our prayers
There walks a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
My brother Gabriel
Is all the hope we need
Shining like a beacon in the night
_____ of Ravenskill, a reason to believe
Music is the gift he brings
The song ___________ when he sings
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Feel free to help fill in the gaps I can't quite make out
Good ear Noxon! Sounds about right ;)
Far in the distant future
Beyond the pages of our time
Cold-blooded wicked tyrants
Threatened the freedom of mankind
Corruption, lust, and greed
Define the new nobility
Changing the course of history
ARHYS:
I cross the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
Where they're (secludedly oppressed [I really feel like this isn't it])
We are living day to day
Forced to bear the lion's share
People just don't have the time for music anymore
And no one seems to care
My friends have seen the Chosen One
Our quest for freedom has begun
He will be the answer to our prayers
There walks a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
My brother Gabriel
Is all the hope we need
Shining like a beacon in the night
Shepherd of Ravenskill,
A reason to believe
Music is the gift he brings
The songbird stops to listen when he sings
Genres: Rock, Music, Hard RockAh, music, my favorite genre, and iTunes picked it for the new Dream Theater album!
Vocalists are perfectly capable of changing their pitch within the same note. In fact, if I drop my larynx while singing a word I get a somewhat similar result. It may sound weird and people may argue improper singing technique, but that would not be an editing error. I highly doubt this is a blatant autotune edit they just left in like this. Seems like a stylistic choice.
Exactly this.
No, it's definitely a MELODYNE edit mistake...not Auto-Tune!! Watch this video: https://youtu.be/aw5MHXQpsbk
If you tweak the notes to much...then you'll get that "timeeee" effect!! Trust me, I work/record/edit professionally...and there's no way you as a vocalist can naturally sound that way! If you actually can...then you're a living melodyne machine 😄😉
https://itun.es/gb/aOuq_
Album is on iTunes for pre order.
Says January 29th.
I will buy the single tomorrow. :)
Far in the distant future
Beyond the pages of our time
Cold-blooded wicked tyrants
Threatened the freedom of mankind
Corruption, lust, and greed
Define the new nobility
Changing the course of history
ARHYS:
I cross the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
Where they're (secludedly oppressed [I really feel like this isn't it])
We are living day to day
Forced to bear the lion's share
People just don't have the time for music anymore
And no one seems to care
My friends have seen the Chosen One
Our quest for freedom has begun
He will be the answer to our prayers
There walks a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
My brother Gabriel
Is all the hope we need
Shining like a beacon in the night
Shepherd of Ravenskill,
A reason to believe
Music is the gift he brings
The songbird stops to listen when he sings
I'll brb to listen along in 15 minutes, but it looks like we're making progress! Almost there! :D
Don't point out flaws to women. You'll never get laid.
Bioshock Infinite concept confirmed
The songbird stops to listen when he sings
https://itun.es/gb/aOuq_
Album is on iTunes for pre order.
Says January 29th.
I will buy the single tomorrow. :)
Damn its not on the Canadian iTunes yet. :-\
Bioshock Infinite concept confirmed
The songbird stops to listen when he sings
Don't point out flaws to women. You'll never get laid.
I've been hearing this track for weeks now. And I didn't even once bat my eye on Labries singing. Until you made me listen for the flaw. Now I can't unhear it. Damn you!
I listened to that time stamp a few times, and I still don't hear it. :dunno:
Some people just love to criticise !
If there is a legitimate editing error, I have no problem passing it along to let them know, because it might just be one of those things where it isn't obvious unless you are listening for it, but once you are aware it is glaring. That happens. Bands release albums all the time with things like that. But in this case, even knowing right where it supposedly is, I just don't hear it.
Same with the U.S. I'm assuming it will go live in everyone's respective regions when it's midnight, as in Friday, as it's already past 12 in the UK.https://itun.es/gb/aOuq_
Album is on iTunes for pre order.
Says January 29th.
I will buy the single tomorrow. :)
Damn its not on the Canadian iTunes yet. :-\
Epic teaser that really leaves you wanting more! To me, the snare sounds like I&W...better than last time for sure (felt distracting to me on DT12). Overall mix feels much more open than DT12. My favorite part is when the dirty organ comes out to play, leading into the orchestra that slowly creeps into the guitar riff. :metal Quality stuff! Choir sounds great as well. Also have mention I love Myung on this song! Pretty clean and in your face bass sound.
About the perception that a few of you think you are hearing a melodyne artifact: I asked the band, and there is NO melodyne or other effects on that part of the song. That is purely how James sang the line. I have this confirmed directly from the band. They also said they appreciate that the fans dig so deep and analyze the music on such a deep level as that. But no melodyne.
About the perception that a few of you think you are hearing a melodyne artifact: I asked the band, and there is NO melodyne or other effects on that part of the song. That is purely how James sang the line. I have this confirmed directly from the band. They also said they appreciate that the fans dig so deep and analyze the music on such a deep level as that. But no melodyne.I mean what else are they going to say though?
One other misconception to clear up: I have noticed a few people refer to the song as the first "single." It isn't really a "single." It is a preview for us to get a sampling of the album.
About the perception that a few of you think you are hearing a melodyne artifact: I asked the band, and there is NO melodyne or other effects on that part of the song. That is purely how James sang the line. I have this confirmed directly from the band. They also said they appreciate that the fans dig so deep and analyze the music on such a deep level as that. But no melodyne.So it really came to that, bosk asking the band if they used pitch-correction software :lol Prog metal fans, indeed!
One other misconception to clear up: I have noticed a few people refer to the song as the first "single." It isn't really a "single." It is a preview for us to get a sampling of the album.
About the perception that a few of you think you are hearing a melodyne artifact: I asked the band, and there is NO melodyne or other effects on that part of the song. That is purely how James sang the line. I have this confirmed directly from the band. They also said they appreciate that the fans dig so deep and analyze the music on such a deep level as that. But no melodyne.
One other misconception to clear up: I have noticed a few people refer to the song as the first "single." It isn't really a "single." It is a preview for us to get a sampling of the album.
Holy fucking shit are we STILL talking about the sodding pitch correction ? :facepalm: :facepalm:
EVERY BAND DOES IT. GET OVER IT.
Anyone see the new Megadeth artwork for Dystopia (releasing one week prior to the Astonishing)? The new video/tune premiered this weekend features two white NOMAC-type orbs floating about a retro-futuristic dystopian cityscape. Man, that's gotta be like when two women show up to the dance wearing the same dress.
So the album is up for pre-order on the uk amazon site ... but there are 2 versions. One with a GNE logo and one with a RRM logo ... they both have a different Amazon ID number, no mention of either being a special edition etc ... both track lists are missing the last 2 songs of Act 2 thoughI doubt that anything will be different except for the booklets with story information perhaps, like the point of view of either side you decide to buy.
Anybody think there could be something to it, or just a mistake on amazon's part??
Who thinks that Petrucci will end up getting The Astonishing turned into a movie? (as he mentioned in the rolling Stone article)
Who thinks that Petrucci will end up getting The Astonishing turned into a movie? (as he mentioned in the rolling Stone article)
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
Holy shit, I didn't see this post.
Now I'm calling it: most of this forum will have The Astonishing as their #1 or #2 album in 3 years
Across the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
While their secluded leader thrives
Does he mean top DT albums, or top albums? For the vast vast majority of people, the latter is basically impossible.I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
Holy shit, I didn't see this post.
Now I'm calling it: most of this forum will have The Astonishing as their #1 or #2 album in 3 years
I'm sure the new album will be great and all, but the chances of it cracking my top 4 are approximately zero.
About the perception that a few of you think you are hearing a melodyne artifact: I asked the band, and there is NO melodyne or other effects on that part of the song. That is purely how James sang the line. I have this confirmed directly from the band. They also said they appreciate that the fans dig so deep and analyze the music on such a deep level as that. But no melodyne.
Who thinks that Petrucci will end up getting The Astonishing turned into a movie? (as he mentioned in the rolling Stone article)
Does he mean top DT albums, or top albums? For the vast vast majority of people, the latter is basically impossible.I really, really like this track. But let me say this: Although it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on the other tracks I have heard so far, The Gift of Music is nowhere near my favorite. Those who, like myself, really liked this song are seriously in for a real treat with this album. This song only scratches the surface.
Holy shit, I didn't see this post.
Now I'm calling it: most of this forum will have The Astonishing as their #1 or #2 album in 3 years
I'm sure the new album will be great and all, but the chances of it cracking my top 4 are approximately zero.
A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.
(https://ihdwallpapers.com/download/tom_cruise_in_oblivion_movie-2880x1800.jpg)
Across the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
While their secluded leader thrives
A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.
(https://ihdwallpapers.com/download/tom_cruise_in_oblivion_movie-2880x1800.jpg)
Tom cruise has a part in The Astonishing?
Corruption, lust, and greed, defy the new nobility -
a quest for freedom has begun!
Just to clear something up about pitch correction for people who are not into music engineering and recording...I don't think anyone is complaining about the using of tuning in the studio, are they? Some people were simply pointing out what seemed to be an error in the process that was causing an aural glitch. We've subsequently had it confirmed that it wasn't that, but it was still a valid thing to raise.
Assuming we're talking about musicians and techs who know and care about what they are doing, pitch correction tools in the studio are not an evil thing at all. After all studio time is limited and ends at a certain point, no matter how many days and nights you spend there. But the creativity doesn't end once tracking is done, there are many important decisions to make during the mixing process and beyond.
Due to the imperfection of human beings (excluding precision like Mike Mangini's, that's just alien) there will always be a little more vocal vibrato, a fraction less string bending on guitars and basses, or differences in synth mod/pitch wheel use on track A than on track B. Going back to recording just wouldn't make any sense for a tiny issue with the quarter of a second of an otherwiseawesomeastonishing track.
That's what studio software is great for. Balancing out minuscule discrepancies. Making sure everything is the best it can be. It's not about getting singers derailed by a third back on track, it's about getting the most of the valuable studio time and material and being able to adapt and improve details long after the sessions are over.
Greetings...
Nef
Is that a Tuba I hear in the lower end starting around 3:40 to the end??
You didn't know they revealed a character named Jack?A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.
(https://ihdwallpapers.com/download/tom_cruise_in_oblivion_movie-2880x1800.jpg)
Tom cruise has a part in The Astonishing?
I think your funny meter is not working.
The break riff after the guitar solo followed by the double kicks and orchestra section is incredible
Living a meek existence, where they're secludedly oppressed.
Music is the gift he brings, the sun bursts isolation when he sings.
Credit: Dream Theater Argentina FB page
Extra blurry and not much new info, but this from the pre order page. Can see the full map and the left/right arms of 2 new characters!
(https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/dreamtension83/Astonishing_zpsuygvxcau.jpg)
Living a meek existence, where they're secludedly oppressed.
Music is the gift he brings, the sun bursts isolation when he sings.
Credit: Dream Theater Argentina FB page
Should be "While their secluded leader thrives"
and
"The songbirds stop to listen when he sings"
Sun bursts isolation doesn't make any sense
I'm trying to order the deluxe box set. When i click on proceed to checkout, nothing happens. Does this happen to any of you too?
I got an About to Crash style, Don't Look Past Me vibe.Don't Look Past Me got stuck in my head several times yesterday because of listening to this song. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that.
I love how it flows from Dystopian Overture and ends on an instrumental into the next song.
Its like Descent of the NOMACS will be the opening credits, with Dystopian Overture being the music that plays after which leads us into TGoM being the bombastic opening where the sunrise opens up and we see the entire empire in an overview then we're spooked by a NOMAC randomly popping up out of nowhere, like the video.
Just ordered the Deluxe boxset, I just couldn't resist! Bring on 22 feb. Amsterdam! :metal
Across the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
While their secluded leader thrives
STOP TALKING ABOUT ME AS IF I'M NOT STANDING RIGHT HERE!
I'm trying to order the deluxe box set. When i click on proceed to checkout, nothing happens. Does this happen to any of you too?
Just ordered the standard 2CD package. My order was 'spinning and spinning' until I put a fake phone number into that required field. Hope that helps.
Far in the distant future, beyond the pages of our time.
Cold blooded wicked tyrants, threaten the freedom of mankind.
Corruption, lust, and greed, defy the new nobility -
Changing the course of history.
Across the vast North Empire,
most people struggle to survive.
Living a meek existence, where they're secludedly oppressed.
We are living day to day.
Forced to bear the lions share.
People just don't have the time for music any more.
No one seems to care...
My friends have seen the chosen one,
a quest for freedom has begun!
He will be the answer to our prayers.
There walks a god among us whose seen the writing on the wall.
He is the revolution, he'll be the one to save us all!
My brother Gabriel, is all the hope we need. (Hope we need)
Shining like a beacon in the night. (In the night)
Should give Ravenskill a reason to believe -
Music is the gift he brings, the sun bursts isolation when he sings.
Credit: Dream Theater Argentina FB page
Well, that's wrong.
"the sun bursts isolation when he sings" :lol
"the songbird stops to listen when he sings" :hefdaddy
Now, I do hope that Faythe and other female characters are defined by things more than just their feminity or typically feminine qualities. I have very high hopes for The Astonishing in this regard - after Ayreon's The Theory of Everything unfortunately fell short in this area.
I'm sure many people were already starting to come to this conclusion, but we now have what I consider to be definitive proof that all lyrics are by JP this time around.
On the deluxe boxset picture for the screenplay lyric book, it says "The Astonishing - Written by John Petrucci."
What I find amazing is this track is less than a day old and there's already a ton of cover videos lol. That's true dedication there
Just to clear something up about pitch correction for people who are not into music engineering and recording... *snip*I don't think anyone is complaining about the using of tuning in the studio, are they? Some people were simply pointing out what seemed to be an error in the process that was causing an aural glitch. We've subsequently had it confirmed that it wasn't that, but it was still a valid thing to raise.
Well, confirmed... it was said that there was no correction used. :yeahrightNo from what bosk said they didn't deny using correction at all, only that the particular moment that sounded like an error in the correction process was not as such.
Just to clear something up about pitch correction for people who are not into music engineering and recording... *snip*I don't think anyone is complaining about the using of tuning in the studio, are they? Some people were simply pointing out what seemed to be an error in the process that was causing an aural glitch. We've subsequently had it confirmed that it wasn't that, but it was still a valid thing to raise.
Well, confirmed... it was said that there was no correction used. :yeahright
And though I'm inclined to trust that I choose to remain ever doubting and sceptical.
Actually there are several time indices thoughout the song commenters claim to be pitch corrected where any experienced DT fan will just recognize them immediately as James doing his thing and applying hisuniqueastonishing style.
The pitch drop at the word "tiiime" doesn't prove any correction either. I would guess it's most likely "...the tiiime" and "for music..." came from two different tracks with slightly different melodies or phrasing and that's why the word"tooone""tiiime" takes a little dive. That the spot was overlooked in editing an album as meticulously crafted as this one sure constitutes a minor boo-boo and it will indeed be difficult to not hear it for all eternity. But the fact that correction software might actually make it sound more natural is what's most amusing for me. :biggrin:
So much for that quarter of a second.
The other 246.75 seconds were pretty great though.
And I'm very much looking forward to the other 2 hours yet to be heard.
Greetings...
Nef
Just to clear something up about pitch correction for people who are not into music engineering and recording... *snip*I don't think anyone is complaining about the using of tuning in the studio, are they? Some people were simply pointing out what seemed to be an error in the process that was causing an aural glitch. We've subsequently had it confirmed that it wasn't that, but it was still a valid thing to raise.
Well, confirmed... it was said that there was no correction used. :yeahright
And though I'm inclined to trust that I choose to remain ever doubting and sceptical.
Actually there are several time indices thoughout the song commenters claim to be pitch corrected where any experienced DT fan will just recognize them immediately as James doing his thing and applying hisuniqueastonishing style.
The pitch drop at the word "tiiime" doesn't prove any correction either. I would guess it's most likely "...the tiiime" and "for music..." came from two different tracks with slightly different melodies or phrasing and that's why the word"tooone""tiiime" takes a little dive. That the spot was overlooked in editing an album as meticulously crafted as this one sure constitutes a minor boo-boo and it will indeed be difficult to not hear it for all eternity. But the fact that correction software might actually make it sound more natural is what's most amusing for me. :biggrin:
So much for that quarter of a second.
The other 246.75 seconds were pretty great though.
And I'm very much looking forward to the other 2 hours yet to be heard.
Greetings...
Nef
I'm sure many people were already starting to come to this conclusion, but we now have what I consider to be definitive proof that all lyrics are by JP this time around.
On the deluxe boxset picture for the screenplay lyric book, it says "The Astonishing - Written by John Petrucci."
That doesn't necessarily establish that he wrote all of the lyrics. I mean, he still may have. But I don't think this necessarily precludes the possibility of others contributing.
This is what I hear for the lyrics:
==========
Far in the distant future
Beyond the pages of our time
Cold-blooded wicked tyrants
Threaten the freedom of mankind
Corruption, lust and greed
Define the new nobility
Changing the course of history
Across the vast North Empire
Most people struggle to survive
Living a meek existence
While their secluded leader thrives
We are living day to day
Forced to bear the lion's share
People just don't have the time for music anymore
And no one seems to care
My friends, I've seen the chosen one
Our quest for freedom has begun
He will be the answer to our prayers
There walks a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
My brother Gabriel is all the hope we need
Shining like a beacon in the night
Shepherd of Ravenskill
A reason to believe
Music is the gift he brings
The songbird stops to listen when he sings
========
Best guess is that the first two stanzas are a narrator's voice, the next two are the voice of "the masses" living under the oppression of the empire and the last stanza is the voice of Arhys.
omg let it go lol
I'm sure many people were already starting to come to this conclusion, but we now have what I consider to be definitive proof that all lyrics are by JP this time around.
On the deluxe boxset picture for the screenplay lyric book, it says "The Astonishing - Written by John Petrucci."
That doesn't necessarily establish that he wrote all of the lyrics. I mean, he still may have. But I don't think this necessarily precludes the possibility of others contributing.
I think the RS interview also confirms it.
omg let it go lol
It's been two posts with the second one concluding the topic for me, offering an alternate explanation, and pointing out it's only been a quarter second of a great song. I'm a singer and I'm interested in audio engineering, so it's been something I wanted to dissect, which is what people tend to do here a lot, so I did.
Though I wouldn't exactly call two posts "dissecting". There are several regular posters who persistently need two replies next to each other within one minute or less to post gems like "Yeah, kinda..." and "So what?" for the sake of attention or postcount, I'd much rather let those go. :corn
Greetings...
Nef
Yeah Nef, no problem at all with your opinions or your posting.
I'll cease from posting on the matter, but it's your right to do what you want, as Bosk says :)
Why does such a little thing as pointing out an opinion on a song's part turn into a mess anyways? :lol
It's hardly a "mess." Nobody on here is bent out of shape over it, and the band isn't either.
Yeah Nef, no problem at all with your opinions or your posting.
I'll cease from posting on the matter, but it's your right to do what you want, as Bosk says :)
Why does such a little thing as pointing out an opinion on a song's part turn into a mess anyways? :lol
You haven't seen a mess here yet. ;)
Nobody is "fire up" over it. In fact, the posts have mostly stopped, except for yours.It's hardly a "mess." Nobody on here is bent out of shape over it, and the band isn't either.
I mean just how some people here are fired up over it . . . I know it's nothing that's horrible, but what happened to just disagreeing with an opinion without being upset at each other?
Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting. Anyhow none of my business, if they want to do what they want I have no problem with that. Just sharing my .02 cents on it all ;)
The posts about the drum sounds are far worse than the ones about Melodyne, but those have been going on for years.
For something completely different and much more important... I just pre-ordered my astonishing bling box. :metal
EUR 267.54 (including shipping to Austria) may be three times what the previous box sets were. But I had a PayPal account and wanted to have my very own mini NOMAC, so what the fuck. :biggrin:
I seriously hope it's sturdy enough to smash the gift of music into as many tone deaf heads as possible.
Oh, and could someone please make a completely useless app with a hovering NOMAC that makes some crazy ass noise when tapped? And maybe call it iNOMAC? :lol
Greetings...
Nef
Well one word being auto-tuned/melodyned or whatever that half the people here notice can hardly relate to a drum sound that made an entire album unlistenable for quite a few people. :neverusethis:
I never knew drums had a specific sound other than "drums" until I started posting here. :laugh:
Bet they don't get this worked up about stuff at the Kanye forum. :biggrin:
Bet they don't get this worked up about stuff at the Kanye forum. :biggrin:
"Yo, James, Imma let you finish. But first I wanna show that I have the most pitch corrected voice of all tiiiimeeeee!"
Bet they don't get this worked up about stuff at the Kanye forum. :biggrin:
"Yo, James, Imma let you finish. But first I wanna show that I have the most pitch corrected voice of all tiiiimeeeee!"
Ftfy
Machine Chatter
So assuming DT reveals two songs like they did with the last record, which song do you guys think they'll reveal next?Astonishing
Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.
A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.Oh no! :rollin
(https://ihdwallpapers.com/download/tom_cruise_in_oblivion_movie-2880x1800.jpg)
I got an About to Crash style, Don't Look Past Me vibe.
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.
I'm still hoping for a Dance of Eternity/Erotomania/Ytse Jam type song on this album. Digital DIscord would be the perfect track for it - some other track names would really fit it as well! Whatever DT decides to do is fine by me, but still . . . fingers crossed for that.
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.This. With this being a concept album, with a story, I doubt they'll give us a "single" as per the usual marketing strategy. I'm good with that. I mean, it is only just over a month from release. Thinking in those terms it seems not so far off.
A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.Oh no! :rollin
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A new character was revealed today, encircled by NOMACS.Oh no! :rollin
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Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
The call-and-answer section before the solo in Lost Not Forgotten is similar, but way more technical. It's similar to the unison after the solo in Panic Attack too, IMO.
Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
The call-and-answer section before the solo in Lost Not Forgotten is similar, but way more technical. It's similar to the unison after the solo in Panic Attack too, IMO.
Both of those parts they are playing in unison or not at the same time. I can't think of any section of a DT song where 2 people are soloing at the same time that is not a unison.
Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
The call-and-answer section before the solo in Lost Not Forgotten is similar, but way more technical. It's similar to the unison after the solo in Panic Attack too, IMO.
Both of those parts they are playing in unison or not at the same time. I can't think of any section of a DT song where 2 people are soloing at the same time that is not a unison.
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.
Nah, I don't think so. They've revealed a song about the Rebels' point of view. If they reveal one now about the Empire, I don't think anything would be spoiled.
Really loving The Gift Of Music! When I listen to it i get vibes like DT12, I&W, SFAM, SC and ADTOE.
And on top of everything, another super tasty JP solo!
I don't think they will reveal any more songs, unless it is an instrumental. If they reveal something with lyrics, it might be spoiling the plot.
Nah, I don't think so. They've revealed a song about the Rebels' point of view. If they reveal one now about the Empire, I don't think anything would be spoiled.
You're right, tf there would be an introductory song about the Empire I guess it would not spoil anything and it could potentially be released.
I don't know if anyone pointed that out (too lazy to go back), but the boxset photo with the double CD pretty much excludes a DVD of the making of docu, right (as there seems to be only 2 discs inside)?
B.Lee
I don't know if anyone pointed that out (too lazy to go back), but the boxset photo with the double CD pretty much excludes a DVD of the making of docu, right (as there seems to be only 2 discs inside)?
B.Lee
Yeah, I believe Kotow pointed that out. It's a shame, would've been really cool to see this record get developed. But since they wouldn't have a single shot of James recording his vocals, it would've been a difficult thing to direct.
The final minute of On The Backs Of Angels has always sounded like a clusterfuck to me.Strange, that's my favourite bit of the song.
I'm pleased they're marketing this album differently. Infers a bit of change, which is definitely welcome to me. Apart from that, I have to say all the detail so far is pretty unappealing. Echoes of 2112 - how fresh... Does offer glints of Rush influence, mind, and I really dig em in that mode. Who knows!?
After reading the Rolling Stone article, the creation of the intricate music to match the characters, setting and storyline makes me think it would have been too much burden to add a documentary/DVD companion to the release. DT's done that before. This package and presentation (cards, maps scripts) is new, so let's enjoy that.
The final minute of On The Backs Of Angels has always sounded like a clusterfuck to me.Strange, that's my favourite bit of the song.
The whole audio anomaly that some people are insisting on exists that doesn't reminds me of this:
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The whole audio anomaly that some people are insisting on exists that doesn't reminds me of this:
*snip*
The whole audio anomaly that some people are insisting on exists that doesn't reminds me of this:
*snip*
Perfect :tup
I can definitely hear how some of DT's albums sound better than others, but I don't think any of them, not even DT12, sound bad. I'm not an audiophile, and after seeing some of the posts here, I am better off for it.
The final minute of On The Backs Of Angels has always sounded like a clusterfuck to me.Strange, that's my favourite bit of the song.
Agreed, although I would say the last 40 seconds (not 60). Granted, I find most of On the Backs of Angels quite dull, and that is something I rarely say about a Dream Theater song, but that ending is really nice. It's just too bad that the bulk of the song has that "just kind of there" feeling.
Mangini need is own asshard extreme impossible inhuman beyond godlike instrumental like MP's TDOE
There walks a god among us who's seen the writing on the wall.
Mangini need is own asshard extreme impossible inhuman beyond godlike instrumental like MP's TDOE
Mangini need is own asshard extreme impossible inhuman beyond godlike instrumental like MP's TDOE
IKR!!! I hope we have one of those on this album . . . imagine that precise drumming matched with a techincal instrumental . . . :omg:
The whole audio anomaly that some people are insisting on exists that doesn't reminds me of this:
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Eh, I'd much rather have a melodic instrumental that still rocks, like Erotomania, rather than a technical piece where the melody takes a back seat, like The Dance of Eternity.
The whole audio anomaly that some people are insisting on exists that doesn't reminds me of this:Not seen that before, but it's brilliant. :lol
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Said I was going to wait until the album is released to listen to the single...
Lasted 1 day.
The Gift of Music Blew me away! So glad that I listened after all! So pumped for this album!
This is kind of a huge long shot, but since Rolling Stone said DT used unorthodox instruments and this seems to be an album that will have many sides.. Maybe the Chapman Stick returns somewhere in that 2 hours and 10 minutes.
Yeah It's wishful thinking at this point..
I think Mangini would play lots of percussion, ala Xanadu.
Mangini need is own asshard extreme impossible inhuman beyond godlike instrumental like MP's TDOE
IKR!!! I hope we have one of those on this album . . . imagine that precise drumming matched with a techincal instrumental . . . :omg:
Eh, I'd much rather have a melodic instrumental that still rocks, like Erotomania, rather than a technical piece where the melody takes a back seat, like The Dance of Eternity.
Me too, I'd much rather have an instrumental like Stream of Consciousness. I think it might be my favorite song of all time! The main killer riff, the solos, the sounds and the different Crimson/ Di Meola themes are incredible!
I'm hoping for a tambourine solo.
We deserve a trampoline solo!
Am I alone in feeling an awesome Toto vibe in "The Gift Of Music" at 3:23 - 3:37?
Greetings...
Nef
Am I alone in feeling an awesome Toto vibe in "The Gift Of Music" at 3:23 - 3:37?
Greetings...
Nef
I literally hadn't heard of that band until now. Do you have an example of a song, or a moment in a song that sounds like this?
I literally hadn't heard of that band until now. Do you have an example of a song, or a moment in a song that sounds like this?
Plus you *MUST* have at least heard either "Rosanna" or " Hold The Line " at least in passing...
After reading the Rolling Stone article, the creation of the intricate music to match the characters, setting and storyline makes me think it would have been too much burden to add a documentary/DVD companion to the release. DT's done that before. This package and presentation (cards, maps scripts) is new, so let's enjoy that.
After reading the Rolling Stone article, the creation of the intricate music to match the characters, setting and storyline makes me think it would have been too much burden to add a documentary/DVD companion to the release. DT's done that before. This package and presentation (cards, maps scripts) is new, so let's enjoy that.
I disagree here. I would rather have an 60-90 min documentary, than a box w cards and maps. Plus I think 200 for the box set is outrageous. I mean what am I going to do with the cards and shit, display them a la Steve Carrrell in the 40-yo virgin? Next we'll be getting action figures of the characters.
I would take a box set w apparel and documentary over cards and maps any day.
I just had a nightmare, guys.
DT announced their North America Tour... And I went to a show... And they didn't TA in its entirety...
After reading the Rolling Stone article, the creation of the intricate music to match the characters, setting and storyline makes me think it would have been too much burden to add a documentary/DVD companion to the release. DT's done that before. This package and presentation (cards, maps scripts) is new, so let's enjoy that.
I disagree here. I would rather have an 60-90 min documentary, than a box w cards and maps. Plus I think 200 for the box set is outrageous. I mean what am I going to do with the cards and shit, display them a la Steve Carrrell in the 40-yo virgin? Next we'll be getting action figures of the characters.
I would take a box set w apparel and documentary over cards and maps any day.
I'd take the action figures....... :yarr
If you ever played GTA:SA, you know it from there ;)Plus you *MUST* have at least heard either "Rosanna" or " Hold The Line " at least in passing...
I'll give those a listen to see if they sound familiar. Thanks :)
EDIT: Ok, I've definitely heard "Hold The Line" before. Recognized it instantly, just didn't know which band performed it. Well, ya learn something new every day :lol
Am I alone in feeling an awesome Toto vibe in "The Gift Of Music" at 3:23 - 3:37?I just heard that part and I know what you mean. I've always liked that progressive side of Toto. It's nice to hear it in this song.
Greetings...
Nef
Was that really on San Andreas? I played the fuck out of that game but I don't recall hearing that one. Anyway, I know this song from "That 70's Show" when Fez played it, incredible :lolIf you ever played GTA:SA, you know it from there ;)Plus you *MUST* have at least heard either "Rosanna" or " Hold The Line " at least in passing...
I'll give those a listen to see if they sound familiar. Thanks :)
EDIT: Ok, I've definitely heard "Hold The Line" before. Recognized it instantly, just didn't know which band performed it. Well, ya learn something new every day :lol
I'd take the action figures....... :yarr
Or a remote control Nomac ;)
It's on K-DST radio :DWas that really on San Andreas? I played the fuck out of that game but I don't recall hearing that one. Anyway, I know this song from "That 70's Show" when Fez played it, incredible :lolIf you ever played GTA:SA, you know it from there ;)Plus you *MUST* have at least heard either "Rosanna" or " Hold The Line " at least in passing...
I'll give those a listen to see if they sound familiar. Thanks :)
EDIT: Ok, I've definitely heard "Hold The Line" before. Recognized it instantly, just didn't know which band performed it. Well, ya learn something new every day :lol
Amazed nobody has said anything about TGoM bass
I'm not sure if its been discussed here much, but IMO the dual guitar/keyboard solo at the very end of The Gift of Music is probably the sound of the NOMACs.
What kind of patch was Ruddess using? It sounds so good at the very very end of the song. (at the 3:39 mark)
Can anyone point out a section in Dream Theater song that has a simultaneous, dualing solo section like the end of TGOM?
Jordan's keyboard sound, mixed with the way they are playing, conjures images (and words) in my mind of an epic music battle between a NOMAC and real musician as they fly over the city.
Amazed nobody has said anything about TGoM bass
Epic teaser that really leaves you wanting more! To me, the snare sounds like I&W...better than last time for sure (felt distracting to me on DT12). Overall mix feels much more open than DT12. My favorite part is when the dirty organ comes out to play, leading into the orchestra that slowly creeps into the guitar riff. :metal Quality stuff! Choir sounds great as well. Also have mention I love Myung on this song! Pretty clean and in your face bass sound.
Wow didn't spot that, hadn't had the time to scroll through the pages, sorry.
So... Eren is fired?Fired from what?
So... Eren is fired?Fired from what?
You can't be fired from a job you don't have. I don't see the big deal in DT using other people for stuff like this. Every project is different, and whether you reuse some people or not is not indicative of their capabilities - it's just indicative that the direction you want to pull in is might require other experiences and qualifications.
Just read this article. Might be some new information about a spring U.S. tour. Could be a different stage plan i.c. to the E.U. tour.
https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390 (https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390)
I always found it curious that nobody ever really addressed the issue that the IT orchestra part on BTFW was completely overdubbed by the studio version. I once asked this on a thread where Eren was active, but got no answer.
Just read this article. Might be some new information about a spring U.S. tour. Could be a different stage plan i.c. to the E.U. tour.
https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390 (https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390)
Awesome link
Just read this article. Might be some new information about a spring U.S. tour. Could be a different stage plan i.c. to the E.U. tour.
https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390 (https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/1171/dream-theatre-set-to-unveil-their-double-concept-album-the-astonishing-on-january-29th/55390)
I seriously hope they will come here at Mexico and perform it. I'm willing to travel to any city inside the country just to see them, but traveling to the U.S is beyond my current capabilities.
I'd be very very pissed off if they don't come. If they say they're only turning the Auditorio Nacional into TA scenario, I'll go there, but I hope they'll do.
Otros Mexicanos seguro estarán deacuerdo conmigo
(Other Mexicans will certainly agree with me)
On a side note, the last section of lyrics are the best thing they've written in years.
On a side note, the last section of lyrics are the best thing they've written in years.
Tbh, the lyircs there and the chorus with the choir are some of the best things they've written in years.
B.Lee
Do you think we'll be getting more news now this week, or did it peak with the release of TGoM?
After many listens and much deliberation, I've decided that this is the best thing I've heard from them in years. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I feel like I've only heard the "Strange Deja-Vu" of the album so far. I'm really hoping I don't get let down.
But if we get another 2 hours of this, I'll be happy.
On a side note, the last section of lyrics are the best thing they've written in years.
Everyone can hate on Hugh Syme all they want, but always remember he made the awesome Megadeth "Youthanasia" album cover :metalCome on, this is DTF, album covers with skies will never do any good here, so Youthanasia gets disqualified.
Everyone can hate on Hugh Syme all they want, but always remember he made the awesome Megadeth "Youthanasia" album cover :metal
well the mixing is better
sounds uncomfortably rush-like to me tho
I hope there's a nice mix on this album. I am a sucker for the melodic prog tracks like TGOM but would love some heavier TOT-esque songs too. Being 34 tracks long though I'm sure they can pretty much include every DT element possible and even expand into new horizons. This is an exciting thought... The fact that the album is supposedly 40 minutes longer than SDOIT is even more exciting, Let's hope they keep the quality up! The sheer amount of effort that must've gone into making this must've been insane.
Do you think we'll be getting more news now this week, or did it peak with the release of TGoM?
Do you think we'll be getting more news now this week, or did it peak with the release of TGoM?
I peaked!
:zydarscouch:
...but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.
??? Um...no.
...but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.
??? Um...no.
...but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.
??? Um...no.
There has been in increase in chatter being detected by both factions. I would expect the Emperor and the Commander to speak to us soon.
There has been in increase in chatter being detected by both factions. I would expect the Emperor and the Commander to speak to us soon.
There has been in increase in chatter being detected by both factions. I would expect the Emperor and the Commander to speak to us soon.
We want to see the clock guy!
We want to see the clock guy!
Just a few posts and the guy is already a legend. :lol
At this point I think he should be awarded the title of the most influential DTF member of 2015.
...but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.
??? Um...no.
They're incredibly preachy, but not in a religious way.
...but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.
??? Um...no.
They're incredibly preachy, but not in a religious way.
There certainly is nothing religious about any of them, but I don't get "preachy" in ANY way, shape, or form either.
I'm just a little worried about the religious elements of the album. I hope religion takes a smaller role in the lyrics, than on the previous album. With (the angel) Gabriel, and Evangeline holding a cross makes me a bit worried. Religious analogies are not a problem, but some of the lyrics on DT12 were a bit on the preachy side.I'm not entirely sure what's so bad about that. It's not like the lyrics have to be interpreted as religious. I tend to think of them that way because they connect with me better, but it's not like they're forcing a particular religion or set of beliefs on you, and in fact when JP says what a song like this is about it has nothing to do with religion (take TBP for example). In my opinion DT does a very good job at lyrics like this, because they're vague enough not to be shoved down the throats of people who don't like the concept but clear enough to be interpreted as religious for those who like that idea.
Obviously people interpret lyrics differently. That said, i'm (in my own personal opinion) unable to interpret lyrics such as "Shine your light on me", and "Restless angels, help me find my way" in any way other than a religious.
Yeah i agree. Of course religious imagery is mostly used because they sound poetic. And i realize i'm in a minority seeing the world through pretty strongly atheistic (and non-spritual) eyes. But the lyrics in the ending of Surrender to Reason has always sadly made me appreciate such a great song a little less.
Yeah i agree. Of course religious imagery is mostly used because they sound poetic. And i realize i'm in a minority seeing the world through pretty strongly atheistic (and non-spritual) eyes. But the lyrics in the ending of Surrender to Reason has always sadly made me appreciate such a great song a little less.
Yeah i agree. Of course religious imagery is mostly used because they sound poetic. And i realize i'm in a minority seeing the world through pretty strongly atheistic (and non-spritual) eyes. But the lyrics in the ending of Surrender to Reason has always sadly made me appreciate such a great song a little less.
Dude...I'm seriously athiest (and have some significant problems w/ organized religion), but I can appreciate the architecture of cathedrals and the beauty in early music...
It's a great picture! Faythe and Arabelle will be from Ravenskill or from GNEA?
It's a great picture! Faythe and Arabelle will be from Ravenskill or from GNEA?
Have no idea . . . maybe there will be a third group we don't know about yet? :justjen
I dunno if anyone posted it:
Commander Arhys @CommanderArhys
I shall never forget my promise.
https://flyt.it/TheAstonishing
:o :o :o :o
I dunno if anyone posted it:
Commander Arhys @CommanderArhys
I shall never forget my promise.
https://flyt.it/TheAstonishing
:o :o :o :o
Man what a cliffhanger!!! :lol
Can barely make it out, but that's Heaven's Cove on the west side of Endless Isleland, isn't it?
That makes as much sense as anything I can think of . . . good theory! :)
Noob question: What does it actually say between Characters and Map? Places?
Noob question: What does it actually say between Characters and Map? Places?
That makes as much sense as anything I can think of . . . good theory! :)
It's great speculate about it! Cause idk nothing about her or what promised could do Arhys! It's just great!
I keep thinking that Faythe is relative of Nafaryus (maybe daughter or little sis), but she falls in love with Gabriel and then runs away from GNEA and pursues Gabriel wherever he goes. Finally she dies on the battle, trying to save Gabriel from being murdered by Nafaryus.
How about that?
I would expect the Emperor and the Commander to speak to us soon.
Obviously people interpret lyrics differently. That said, i'm (in my own personal opinion) unable to interpret lyrics such as "Shine your light on me", and "Restless angels, help me find my way" in any way other than a religious.
Yeah I never saw those as religious. Just stuff people say in lyrics because it sounds poetic.
"Let love show the way
Let grace be the way
Surrender to reason"
"To really feel the joy in life
You must suffer through the pain
When you surrender to the light
You can face the darkest days
If you open up your eyes
And you put your trust in love
On those cold and endless nights
You will never be alone"
Those are two examples of passages I'd define as pretty preachy.
I erased the lock photo with the developer mode of Google Chrome:tup
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For real though, I'd pay some legit money for him to be related to this album in a way.We want to see the clock guy!
Just a few posts and the guy is already a legend. :lol
At this point I think he should be awarded the title of the most influential DTF member of 2015.
I erased the lock photo with the developer mode of Google Chrome
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If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
Can barely make it out, but that's Heaven's Cove on the west side of Endless Isleland, isn't it?
Wow really? Sorry I'm even worse at reading it than you are probably :lol
Rhetorical questions: I wonder what city is portrayed on the cover? It looks likely to be the capital city of the Empire, but what is that city's name?
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
I always saw that as a contradiction. Reason is often associated with the Age of Enlightenment, and is emphasizing the rational world and is to some degree "anti religion". But letting angels and grace lead the way, is the exact opposite of surrendering to reason.
It's a great picture! Faythe and Arabelle will be from Ravenskill or from GNEA?
My prediction is that Faythe is of the Empire (maybe Nafaryus' own daughter), but is sympathetic to the rebels, possibly being a lover to one of the rebel characters.
My prediction is that Faythe is of the Empire (maybe Nafaryus' own daughter), but is sympathetic to the rebels, possibly being a lover to one of the rebel characters.
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
I always saw that as a contradiction. Reason is often associated with the Age of Enlightenment, and is emphasizing the rational world and is to some degree "anti religion". But letting angels and grace lead the way, is the exact opposite of surrendering to reason.
Well the debate over whether reason and believing in a greater power are mutually exclusive is definitely a heated one, and many have different opinions on it. And to a point it becomes semantics - some have different definition of "reason" and "faith" from others it seems. Maybe Myung meant something different by those words? Anyways not meaning to open up this debate, as this isn't the right sub-forum for it :lol
My prediction is that Faythe is of the Empire (maybe Nafaryus' own daughter), but is sympathetic to the rebels, possibly being a lover to one of the rebel characters.
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
I always saw that as a contradiction. Reason is often associated with the Age of Enlightenment, and is emphasizing the rational world and is to some degree "anti religion". But letting angels and grace lead the way, is the exact opposite of surrendering to reason.
Well the debate over whether reason and believing in a greater power are mutually exclusive is definitely a heated one, and many have different opinions on it. And to a point it becomes semantics - some have different definition of "reason" and "faith" from others it seems. Maybe Myung meant something different by those words? Anyways not meaning to open up this debate, as this isn't the right sub-forum for it :lol
They're certainly a spiritual band and they've declared it several times, Petrucci said in an interview he was a Catholic and all, but IMHO they mainly use religious imagery more to convey emotions than anything else.
Also, because most of the time those lyrics seem to be inspired partly by their life's experiences they obviously have some connections to their faiths and beliefs, whether these lyrics belong to the religious or the philosophical speech or anything else.
Someone said it already, but I think the best thing about them is that they tend to describe general, universal experiences and feelings without imposing any sort of view, with the obvious issue/non-issue that they do it through words taken from their own culture and beliefs (which can/cannot resonate).
That said, I don't expect TA to be any different from the other albums as far as the amount of spiritual imagery is concerned, even though Evangeline seems pretty much set on the religious type of character.
My prediction is that Faythe is of the Empire (maybe Nafaryus' own daughter), but is sympathetic to the rebels, possibly being a lover to one of the rebel characters.
So a guy named Nafaryus names his daughter Faythe? That would be an ...interesting choice on his part.
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
I always saw that as a contradiction. Reason is often associated with the Age of Enlightenment, and is emphasizing the rational world and is to some degree "anti religion". But letting angels and grace lead the way, is the exact opposite of surrendering to reason.
Well the debate over whether reason and believing in a greater power are mutually exclusive is definitely a heated one, and many have different opinions on it. And to a point it becomes semantics - some have different definition of "reason" and "faith" from others it seems. Maybe Myung meant something different by those words? Anyways not meaning to open up this debate, as this isn't the right sub-forum for it :lol
I wonder what JP thinks about this?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-future-of-music-a-chip-in-your-brain-1449505111
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
I always saw that as a contradiction. Reason is often associated with the Age of Enlightenment, and is emphasizing the rational world and is to some degree "anti religion". But letting angels and grace lead the way, is the exact opposite of surrendering to reason.
Well the debate over whether reason and believing in a greater power are mutually exclusive is definitely a heated one, and many have different opinions on it. And to a point it becomes semantics - some have different definition of "reason" and "faith" from others it seems. Maybe Myung meant something different by those words? Anyways not meaning to open up this debate, as this isn't the right sub-forum for it :lol
It can be a heated one, as this debate has been going on in ethical/religious/political philosophy circles for at least 800 years now. Thomas Aquinas wrote a lot about it in the 11th Century, but even the Catholic Church's view is that faith and reason occupy somewhat separate spheres in the universe, so there's no need to fully or even partially integrate faith within the realm of reason.
Myung's lyrics are a bit confusing, I guess, because the word "grace" has a more general virtuous meaning, but it's also used in Christianity a lot. "Love" leading the way seems like pure ethical humanism to me, though. And so does "Surrender to Reason."
They could be trying to convey a religious message, but it's definitely not clear.
Taking bets now; on the album, will Evangeline's name be pronounced correctly, or the anglicized way? :P
I don't see why they wouldn't . . . they did on their last two album-supporting tours :)
Taking bets now; on the album, will Evangeline's name be pronounced correctly, or the anglicized way? :P
Well, given that it is an American band and that the story takes place in North America, I'm not really sure why this is even a question. :lol
Taking bets now; on the album, will Evangeline's name be pronounced correctly, or the anglicized way? :P
Well, given that it is an American band and that the story takes place in North America, I'm not really sure why this is even a question. :lol
I'm kinda new here, but is bosk1 (the incredibly awesome admin-I love his posts) the same guy as Weymolith aka Mr. Beardsley?
Thanks!
:corn
"Let love show the way
Let grace be the way
Surrender to reason"
"To really feel the joy in life
You must suffer through the pain
When you surrender to the light
You can face the darkest days
If you open up your eyes
And you put your trust in love
On those cold and endless nights
You will never be alone"
Those are two examples of passages I'd define as pretty preachy.
If anything, those sound, at most like they are inspired by Ethical Humanism. "Surrender to Reason" is like an admission that they're NOT faith-based. Pretty much by definition, it takes the suspension of reason to maintain faith.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the fact that those lyrics pretty explicitly describe a pagan/agnostic set of ethics.
So I was just browsing through the Metal Archives and came across the TA page: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518 (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518).
"When Your Time Has Come -- 08:21"
Did I miss this? Do we know this? Should we know this?
So I was just browsing through the Metal Archives and came across the TA page: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518 (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518).
"When Your Time Has Come -- 08:21"
Did I miss this? Do we know this? Should we know this?
This is also giving out info on which songs are instrumentals. Did I miss something or is that new info ?
So I was just browsing through the Metal Archives and came across the TA page: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518 (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing/548518).
"When Your Time Has Come -- 08:21"
Did I miss this? Do we know this? Should we know this?
This is also giving out info on which songs are instrumentals. Did I miss something or is that new info ?
It's based on which tracks are marked with the NOMAC symbol on the official page, but I think it's probably conjecture that those indicate instrumental tracks. As far as I know, we don't know exactly what those tracks will entail yet, but apparently they'll be different enough in some way to warrant being noted on the tracklist.
They've taken the WYTHC track length from one of the fake YouTube leaks.
I wonder what JP thinks about this?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-future-of-music-a-chip-in-your-brain-1449505111
My prediction is that Faythe is of the Empire (maybe Nafaryus' own daughter), but is sympathetic to the rebels, possibly being a lover to one of the rebel characters.
She wanted a 5 year break from the Empire but they told her no wayeth my dear.
Not saying you're wrong and we should definitely wait for confirmation but who says the whole of Act 1 is on one cd?
It could be fun to speculate on the songs' and acts' length. I'm gonna be a little bit optimistic and say there's 65-70 minutes on each act.
As Act 1 has 20 tracks, I imagine that will be the longer of the two discs, probably 70-75 minutes. That leaves around 60-65 mins for Act 2.
As Act 1 has 20 tracks, I imagine that will be the longer of the two discs, probably 70-75 minutes. That leaves around 60-65 mins for Act 2.
It's also possible the last track "Astonishing" is an epic to close the story and will compensate for having less tracks, so they could be more equal.
The track titles indicate to me that by the time we get to the title track, the story will be all but told. "Power Down" might be the NOMACs being shut down, to leave the Empire reunited and able to enjoy proper music, then Astonishing might be a celebratory or rousing closing number. If there is a long song here, it would seem logical that it would be at the climactic part of the story, perhaps The Path That Divides.
All wild guesses, I know.
The track titles indicate to me that by the time we get to the title track, the story will be all but told. "Power Down" might be the NOMACs being shut down, to leave the Empire reunited and able to enjoy proper music, then Astonishing might be a celebratory or rousing closing number. If there is a long song here, it would seem logical that it would be at the climactic part of the story, perhaps The Path That Divides.
All wild guesses, I know.
This has always been my inclination. I'm not sure there's going to be 12+ minutes of story left to tell after Power Down. But there could be a twist a la Finally Free (though that's not 12+ either...), so who knows.
I think power down will be the turning point when the rebels are able to shut down and start their attack on the NOMACS and the empire, with Astonishing being the big epic telling of that story, and telling us how great everything turned out.This assumes the rebels are the good guys against the evil empire, which isn't necessarily the case. Indeed, the fact that the marketing is all about choosing a side lends credence to the idea that neither side is good/bad.
I think power down will be the turning point when the rebels are able to shut down and start their attack on the NOMACS and the empire, with Astonishing being the big epic telling of that story, and telling us how great everything turned out.This assumes the rebels are the good guys against the evil empire, which isn't necessarily the case. Indeed, the fact that the marketing is all about choosing a side lends credence to the idea that neither side is good/bad.
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lolI like to think of myself as a nugget finder, but it's getting me nowhere but the gym. :(
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
And don't forget another 34 appreciation threads. :lol
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
And don't forget another 34 appreciation threads. :lol
And add to this, don't forget potential (mostly SDOIT/SFAM) versus threads. :lol
Something I haven't seen raised yet, is that being a double album of such length, the album sales will effectively count for x2, won't they? Will this also apply to the Billboard charts and raise the album's position slightly?That is my understanding.
Something I haven't seen raised yet, is that being a double album of such length, the album sales will effectively count for x2, won't they? Will this also apply to the Billboard charts and raise the album's position slightly?That is my understanding.
I'll just save you the time now and vote for SDOIT/SFAM, since they'll never be topped.
I'll just save you the time now and vote for SDOIT/SFAM, since they'll never be topped.
Don't forget " What ifLoad/ReloadThe Astonishing was one CD ? " that all the newbies will make.
Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I'm hoping for a twist ending or some kind of profound, shocking thing to happen with "Astonishing." You can't have a title track like that closing the album and not have something really cool and unexpected.
At the very least, I'm really hoping for a non-cliche ending. It would be a little disappointing to me if the album ended with " the empire was overthrown, the nomacs were shut down, the rebels control the land, everyone lived happily ever after." Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I mean the friggen album is called "The Astonishing." I'M JUST SO INTRIGUED and maybe that's why I'm hoping for something unexpected.
Open your eyes, Nicholas.
I'm hoping for a twist ending or some kind of profound, shocking thing to happen with "Astonishing." You can't have a title track like that closing the album and not have something really cool and unexpected.
At the very least, I'm really hoping for a non-cliche ending. It would be a little disappointing to me if the album ended with " the empire was overthrown, the nomacs were shut down, the rebels control the land, everyone lived happily ever after." Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I mean the friggen album is called "The Astonishing." I'M JUST SO INTRIGUED and maybe that's why I'm hoping for something unexpected.
It also seems like DT is going to transcend the actual music and instrumentals in this album by really applying the concept to the way they write and create the music. And I don't just mean spoken tracks (god forbid), and "oh this parts heavy cuz he's evil," or "oh this parts soft because she's a good guy." I'm keeping my doubts but I'm just hoping they create something new and experiment with the way they portray the concept here.
Does anyone else feel like "The Astonishing" is missing a noun at the end? :lol Every time I read it I keep expecting there to be more to the title. It's not a complaint and Astonishing is obviously the noun in this case.
I'm hoping for a twist ending or some kind of profound, shocking thing to happen with "Astonishing." You can't have a title track like that closing the album and not have something really cool and unexpected.
At the very least, I'm really hoping for a non-cliche ending. It would be a little disappointing to me if the album ended with " the empire was overthrown, the nomacs were shut down, the rebels control the land, everyone lived happily ever after." Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I mean the friggen album is called "The Astonishing." I'M JUST SO INTRIGUED and maybe that's why I'm hoping for something unexpected.
It also seems like DT is going to transcend the actual music and instrumentals in this album by really applying the concept to the way they write and create the music. And I don't just mean spoken tracks (god forbid), and "oh this parts heavy cuz he's evil," or "oh this parts soft because she's a good guy." I'm keeping my doubts but I'm just hoping they create something new and experiment with the way they portray the concept here.
It was all just a dream. And then at the end Gabriel opens his eyes and HE IS NAFARYUS.
You heard it here first.
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
And don't forget another 34 appreciation threads. :lol
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing :metal
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing :metal
Metropolis Episode 1: In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing
The beginning of a prequel trilogy to Metropolis.
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
And don't forget another 34 appreciation threads. :lol
My head hurts thinking about the volume of posts
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing :metal
Metropolis Episode 1: In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing
The beginning of a prequel trilogy to Metropolis.
Does that mean Jar Jar will still be revealed and that we will have a hidden extra villain subplot? D:
I'm hoping for a twist ending or some kind of profound, shocking thing to happen with "Astonishing." You can't have a title track like that closing the album and not have something really cool and unexpected.
At the very least, I'm really hoping for a non-cliche ending. It would be a little disappointing to me if the album ended with " the empire was overthrown, the nomacs were shut down, the rebels control the land, everyone lived happily ever after." Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I mean the friggen album is called "The Astonishing." I'M JUST SO INTRIGUED and maybe that's why I'm hoping for something unexpected.
It also seems like DT is going to transcend the actual music and instrumentals in this album by really applying the concept to the way they write and create the music. And I don't just mean spoken tracks (god forbid), and "oh this parts heavy cuz he's evil," or "oh this parts soft because she's a good guy." I'm keeping my doubts but I'm just hoping they create something new and experiment with the way they portray the concept here.
It was all just a dream. And then at the end Gabriel opens his eyes and HE IS NAFARYUS.
You heard it here first.
Does that mean that Booker DeWitt and Father Comstock are the same person? WAIT, SONGBIRD STOPS TO LISTEN? BIOSHOCK CONFIRMED? (Fans will get that... maybe).
I would expect the Emperor and the Commander to speak to us soon.
Exactly what I thought after reading the last line of the lyrics... Petrucci is/must be a gaming nerd after all :biggrin:not sure if serious
Exactly what I thought after reading the last line of the lyrics... Petrucci is/must be a gaming nerd after all :biggrin:not sure if serious
Songbirds are a thing, Bioshock didn't invent them.
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
I'm waiting for all the nugget finders to analyze the hell out of the album, and give us crazy theories about how it's related to Metropolis or Octavarium. We've already seen a bit of it :lol
I'm waiting to see if there will be any similarities with ITPoE. I have been listening to it a lot lately and can't help but think there must be something common (there probably isn't), I mean there is a "chosen one" and rebels in there.
In The Presence Of Enemies Pt.3: The Astonishing :metal
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
Exactly what I thought after reading the last line of the lyrics... Petrucci is/must be a gaming nerd after all :biggrin:not sure if serious
Songbirds are a thing, Bioshock didn't invent them.
So I read most of the posts in this thread, but I am still a little confused. Is The Northern Empire the "good" side? Or is Ravenskill? Wich one is the leading side right now?
Maybe I understood something totally wrong. And if there are any informations or speculations on wich side is the good, bad or leading one: on what are they based? :D
I'm waiting for the 34 new 'Opinions on __________' threads when the album gets released :lol :lol :lolOh hell no
Oh hell yes!!! :biggrin: :lol :lol
But that is only one character's point of view. I, for one, find Arhys's preaching to be highly suspicious.So I read most of the posts in this thread, but I am still a little confused. Is The Northern Empire the "good" side? Or is Ravenskill? Wich one is the leading side right now?
Maybe I understood something totally wrong. And if there are any informations or speculations on wich side is the good, bad or leading one: on what are they based? :D
If we believe the point of view presented in "The Gift of Music", then the Empire is the bad side and Ravenskill is the good side.
But that is only one character's point of view. I, for one, find Arhys's preaching to be highly suspicious.So I read most of the posts in this thread, but I am still a little confused. Is The Northern Empire the "good" side? Or is Ravenskill? Wich one is the leading side right now?
Maybe I understood something totally wrong. And if there are any informations or speculations on wich side is the good, bad or leading one: on what are they based? :D
If we believe the point of view presented in "The Gift of Music", then the Empire is the bad side and Ravenskill is the good side.
I'm guessing the Empire are the baddies based on the fact that their leader is called Nefarious (or however you spell it!) They also have noise machines and stop people from making music. Rebels play music, like our heroes Dream Theater, and appear to be from Long Island, also like our heroes so am guessing they are the goodies.
Funny, I always thought of Ravenskill being the "bad ones" (such an odd thing to say).. Because Emperor Sean Connery looks like a very nice older gentleman and Arhys looks like a total dick who is trying to make everyone his underdog.
("underdog" omg, As I Am Pt. II CONFIRMED)
Funny, I always thought of Ravenskill being the "bad ones" (such an odd thing to say).. Because Emperor Sean Connery looks like a very nice older gentleman and Arhys looks like a total dick who is trying to make everyone his underdog.
("underdog" omg, As I Am Pt. II CONFIRMED)
In this day and age it seems strange to me that we will be cheering on the terrorists. Ah, but they will be freedom fighters.
I'm guessing the Empire are the baddies based on the fact that their leader is called Nefarious (or however you spell it!) They also have noise machines and stop people from making music. Rebels play music, like our heroes Dream Theater, and appear to be from Long Island, also like our heroes so am guessing they are the goodies.
I am guessing it isn't quite that simple.
I'm guessing the Empire are the baddies based on the fact that their leader is called Nefarious (or however you spell it!) They also have noise machines and stop people from making music. Rebels play music, like our heroes Dream Theater, and appear to be from Long Island, also like our heroes so am guessing they are the goodies.
I am guessing it isn't quite that simple.
I just found a leak of the complete Astonishing character list, oops.....
(https://i.imgur.com/DcaKboA.jpg)
My brother Homer, he's all the hope we need! :metal
My brother Homer, he's all the hope we need! :metal
"There walks a God among us..."
I just found a leak of the complete Astonishing character list, oops.....
(https://i.imgur.com/DcaKboA.jpg)
I think Lord Nafaryus is definitely a reworded cover of duran duran's Notorious.
So I read most of the posts in this thread, but I am still a little confused. Is The Northern Empire the "good" side? Or is Ravenskill? Wich one is the leading side right now?
Maybe I understood something totally wrong. And if there are any informations or speculations on wich side is the good, bad or leading one: on what are they based? :D
If we believe the point of view presented in "The Gift of Music", then the Empire is the bad side and Ravenskill is the good side.
What if they release one more "single" before the album and the two videos on the Astonishing page are both of the music videos ?
You got a character # in mind? :neverusethis:
I just found a leak of the complete Astonishing character list, oops.....
(https://i.imgur.com/DcaKboA.jpg)
Honestly we need to have DT and DT collaborate for a Ziltoid project
PS: It was surely an astonishing moment when I realized my 2 favorite artists were DT :lol
You got a character # in mind? :neverusethis:
but the clock is ticking
:neverusethis:
Derek Trucks is a different kind of awesome.
I'm hoping for a twist ending or some kind of profound, shocking thing to happen with "Astonishing." You can't have a title track like that closing the album and not have something really cool and unexpected.
At the very least, I'm really hoping for a non-cliche ending. It would be a little disappointing to me if the album ended with " the empire was overthrown, the nomacs were shut down, the rebels control the land, everyone lived happily ever after." Maybe I'm in the minority there, but I don't know a good concept album that had a perfectly happy, wrapped up ending.
I mean the friggen album is called "The Astonishing." I'M JUST SO INTRIGUED and maybe that's why I'm hoping for something unexpected.
It also seems like DT is going to transcend the actual music and instrumentals in this album by really applying the concept to the way they write and create the music. And I don't just mean spoken tracks (god forbid), and "oh this parts heavy cuz he's evil," or "oh this parts soft because she's a good guy." I'm keeping my doubts but I'm just hoping they create something new and experiment with the way they portray the concept here.
I just found a leak of the complete Astonishing character list, oops.....
(https://i.imgur.com/DcaKboA.jpg)
DT is saying that noice music is bad.
DT is saying that noice music is bad.
But isn't noice music like...noice.
I'm guessing the Empire are the baddies based on the fact that their leader is called Nefarious (or however you spell it!) They also have noise machines and stop people from making music. Rebels play music, like our heroes Dream Theater, and appear to be from Long Island, also like our heroes so am guessing they are the goodies.
I'm guessing the Empire are the baddies based on the fact that their leader is called Nefarious (or however you spell it!) They also have noise machines and stop people from making music. Rebels play music, like our heroes Dream Theater, and appear to be from Long Island, also like our heroes so am guessing they are the goodies.
If they are stopping people like Justin Bieber they're not entirely evil though.
I just found a leak of the complete Astonishing character list, oops.....
(https://i.imgur.com/DcaKboA.jpg)
Honestly we need to have DT and DT collaborate for a Ziltoid project
Is anyone else hoping for some repeated themes throughout the story, be they musical or lyrical, or both? I listened to SFAM recently and remember hearing a lot of repeated themes, like home repeating a theme from Metropolis Pt 1 (though I realize SFAM was the sequel to that song, so repeating a theme from it was probably inevitable)
The difference is that Ziltoid doesn't even take himself seriously (which is part of what makes him so great), whereas with The Astonishing, you won't catch Aryhys or Nafaryus telling fart jokes to Gabriel.
Is anyone else hoping for some repeated themes throughout the story, be they musical or lyrical, or both? I listened to SFAM recently and remember hearing a lot of repeated themes, like home repeating a theme from Metropolis Pt 1 (though I realize SFAM was the sequel to that song, so repeating a theme from it was probably inevitable)
I'm really, really, hoping for lots of repeated themes and melodies. This could make or break the album for me. The fact that there's an overture is a very good sign.
The difference is that Ziltoid doesn't even take himself seriously (which is part of what makes him so great), whereas with The Astonishing, you won't catch Aryhys or Nafaryus telling fart jokes to Gabriel.
Then why is a line in the lyrics to "Lord Nafaryus": "Doth his fart smelleth not?" ???
I wonder if this is the most elaborate album ever made.
Even if I had heard the entire album and not merely 9 tracks, it would be too early to rank this album. But that being said, I can tell already that this will rank in the top half of the discography just based on the strength of what I have heard. I don't know where in the top half. It could end up smack in the middle. It could be #1. Neither would shock me. But as I listen to this songs, I think of my top 4 DT albums and ask myself, "Are these songs THAT good that I could possibly rank this album ahead of my top 4 DT albums of all time?" And I answer, "Yeah, maybe they are." I really can't wait until __________ ___, 2016.
Perhaps.Early release?
Can you tell us which 9 tracks have you heard?No.
Not specific names, just... Early ones? Disc II ones?Yes.
No.Perhaps.Early release?
No.I know, but I'm in the same boat as Kotow, you put blanks in for the date when we already know January 29th (or I guess thought we knew)
EDIT: I mean, seriously, that doesn't happen in the music industry. Sorry, not an option.
I know. But as I have mentioned before, those are dates on vendor sites. The band has not released the date yet, so I am not going to say what it is because it is not set in stone. That projected date has not become official yet. It is just the projected date that is released to those outlets.No.I know, but I'm in the same boat as Kotow, you put blanks in for the date when we already know January 29th (or I guess thought we knew)
EDIT: I mean, seriously, that doesn't happen in the music industry. Sorry, not an option.
I know. But as I have mentioned before, those are dates on vendor sites. The band has not released the date yet, so I am not going to say what it is because it is not set in stone. That projected date has not become official yet. It is just the projected date that is released to those outlets.Color me intrigued
Even Roadrunner ?
The label ?
You think they'd know.
No.Perhaps.Early release?
EDIT: I mean, seriously, that doesn't happen in the music industry. Sorry, not an option.
No.Perhaps.Early release?
EDIT: I mean, seriously, that doesn't happen in the music industry. Sorry, not an option.
It does occasionally when albums get leaked. Eg. Bjork's Vulnicura. A few others have also dropped in early as a response to leaks.
Ok so I leave the forum for a week and there are already 30+ more pages of speculation? :rollin
I know. But as I have mentioned before, those are dates on vendor sites. The band has not released the date yet, so I am not going to say what it is because it is not set in stone. That projected date has not become official yet. It is just the projected date that is released to those outlets.
Well, to be honest I don't think you can expect one from me this time around. There's something else that consumes all my free time at the moment, so I just don't have the time for music anymore.
Ok so I leave the forum for a week and there are already 30+ more pages of speculation? :rollin
Well, to be honest I don't think you can expect one from me this time around. There's something else that consumes all my free time at the moment, so I just don't have the time for music anymore.
True, and good point. I stand corrected.No.Perhaps.Early release?
EDIT: I mean, seriously, that doesn't happen in the music industry. Sorry, not an option.
It does occasionally when albums get leaked. Eg. Bjork's Vulnicura. A few others have also dropped in early as a response to leaks.
Hopefully we will get a new character from the Empire today, if any.
Suomi! We're happy to tell you that the new album The Astonishing will be released on Jan 29. Pre-order it now: https://bit.ly/the-astonishing (https://bit.ly/the-astonishing)And thus the release date has been confirmed.
Only a few minutes left so we can conclude that we won't be getting any new characters today :/A few minutes left of what?
Only a few minutes left so we can conclude that we won't be getting any new characters today :/A few minutes left of what?
Maybe their clock is broken... :neverusethis:
guys it's been confirmed lord nafaryus was inspired by mike portnoy
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19601331/mike.png)
(https://www.drummagazine.com/images/features/091511-portnoy.jpg)
it's a metaphor of DT's battle against musical oppression. DT's music against adrenaline mob's.
guys it's been confirmed lord nafaryus was inspired by mike portnoy(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/gabriel.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19601331/mike.png)
(https://www.drummagazine.com/images/features/091511-portnoy.jpg)
it's a metaphor of DT's battle against musical oppression. DT's music against adrenaline mob's.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201511/098711_large.jpg)
(https://www.guitarmessenger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/John-Petrucci-by-Ivan-Chopik.jpg)
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/evangeline_large.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a7/d4/14/a7d41419c7e9973f76c0aa4f3a1748b3.jpg)
:omg: I'm too lazy to Photoshop their faces, so that'll have to do
Oh no, can't unsee that now :omg:
Oh no, can't unsee that now :omg:
Probably because of the sneaky Photoshopping. ;)
Not that sneaky, really bloody obvious.Oh no, can't unsee that now :omg:
Probably because of the sneaky Photoshopping. ;)
Not that sneaky, really bloody obvious.Oh no, can't unsee that now :omg:
Probably because of the sneaky Photoshopping. ;)
Surely these people aren't being serious.
Surely these people aren't being serious.
:lolSurely these people aren't being serious.
We''ll see... once it's reported as devious fact on Blabbermouth, we'll know someone took it seriously. :yeahright
Too Late (https://i.imgur.com/WHHTIR9.png) ::):rollin :rollin
Too Late (https://i.imgur.com/WHHTIR9.png) ::)
Too Late (https://i.imgur.com/WHHTIR9.png) ::)
Surely these people aren't being serious.i am srs
Surely these people aren't being serious.i am srs
It's a completely different kind of trolling. Altogether.
The band I fed and grew with the highest of my capabilities, the band for which I did not sleep for countless nights, the band with the worst fanbase ever which I fucking hate because honestly you just throw shit at my vocals which I spent an extremely long time of my life planning just to keep you happy and now I'm a fucking villain u shits, John, without me, u would still be playing at fucking bars I AM DREAMTHEATER GODDAMIT.:lol :lol :lol
-MP, Dream Theater
The band I fed and grew with the highest of my capabilities, the band for which I did not sleep for countless nights, the band with the worst fanbase ever which I fucking hate because honestly you just throw shit at my vocals which I spent an extremely long time of my life planning just to keep you happy and now I'm a fucking villain u shits, John, without me, u would still be playing at fucking bars I AM DREAMTHEATER GODDAMIT.amazing
-MP, Dream Theater
Sean Connery just released a statement that he's pissed at Mike Portnoy for thinking Nafaryus looks like Mike Portnoy.
He was definitely shitting at his computer.
Too Late (https://i.imgur.com/WHHTIR9.png) ::)
:lol I hope you aren't being serious.
:lol I hope you aren't being serious.
what, your not taking me seriously? :-[
:lol I hope you aren't being serious.
You'd think that with new information, this thread would have gotten better, not worse.
Yeah, this thread desperately needs another "single" to be released ASAP!
Following this thread has become more or less like a job... Is there anything important that I should know in the last....30 pages?! :o
Following this thread has become more or less like a job... Is there anything important that I should know in the last....30 pages?! :o
Anything important would be in the other thread... What we know...
Do you realize this thread has been active for little more than a month now, and we're close to 100 pages of speculation? The previous DT13 thread reached 100 pages and was closed. Combined they're almost 200 pages, and we're still more than a month away from the album's release! Interesting how desperate we've been about new info these last months :lol
This page of the thread needs green font for clartiy.
You'd think that with new information, this thread would have gotten better, not worse.
You'd think that with new information, this thread would have gotten better, not worse.
Are you new here?
You'd think that with new information, this thread would have gotten better, not worse.
Are you new here?
Am I new here? Boy, this thread is giving me PTSD flashbacks to my Octavarium sub-forum days. If you didn't live through it, you don't know what it was like in those trenches! :lol
Please DO NOT post anything that has not been officially released by the band or the label. If you are not sure, ask a mod or me before posting. Anyone posting unauthorized information, regardless of the source, will be banned until at least the release date--no exceptions.
Unfortunately, while I was away for several hours earlier today, there was some unauthorized information posted in the other thread, and there have been several pages of discussion since then, some of it related, and some of it not, that I do not have the time to wade through. Because of that, I have to delete that thread. Please feel free to re-post any and all relevant information (as long is it follows the forum rules, including the ban on leaded information). Thank you all for your understanding.
(EDIT by ariich, 13 Nov: This includes even POTENTIAL LEAKS. In the run up to album release, jokers always put fake leaks up online, some more obvious than others. From now on, these will be treated the same as real leaks. It's really quite simple - wait for official announcements/releases.)
Please DO NOT post anything that has not been officially released by the band or the label. If you are not sure, ask a mod or me before posting. Anyone posting unauthorized information, regardless of the source, will be banned until at least the release date--no exceptions.
Unfortunately, while I was away for several hours earlier today, there was some unauthorized information posted in the other thread, and there have been several pages of discussion since then, some of it related, and some of it not, that I do not have the time to wade through. Because of that, I have to delete that thread. Please feel free to re-post any and all relevant information (as long is it follows the forum rules, including the ban on leaded information). Thank you all for your understanding.
(EDIT by ariich, 13 Nov: This includes even POTENTIAL LEAKS. In the run up to album release, jokers always put fake leaks up online, some more obvious than others. From now on, these will be treated the same as real leaks. It's really quite simple - wait for official announcements/releases.)
Please DO NOT post anything that has not been officially released by the band or the label. If you are not sure, ask a mod or me before posting. Anyone posting unauthorized information, regardless of the source, will be banned until at least the release date--no exceptions.
Unfortunately, while I was away for several hours earlier today, there was some unauthorized information posted in the other thread, and there have been several pages of discussion since then, some of it related, and some of it not, that I do not have the time to wade through. Because of that, I have to delete that thread. Please feel free to re-post any and all relevant information (as long is it follows the forum rules, including the ban on leaded information). Thank you all for your understanding.
(EDIT by ariich, 13 Nov: This includes even POTENTIAL LEAKS. In the run up to album release, jokers always put fake leaks up online, some more obvious than others. From now on, these will be treated the same as real leaks. It's really quite simple - wait for official announcements/releases.)
I was thinking the same thing, until I saw the comment that MM has posted in that discussion. Which makes it a different thing, to me.
I was thinking the same thing, until I saw the comment that MM has posted in that discussion. Which makes it a different thing, to me.Somehow, I doubt the bosk will agree.
I was thinking the same thing, until I saw the comment that MM has posted in that discussion. Which makes it a different thing, to me.Somehow, I doubt the bosk will agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MAiFoJW4u8
A fake track alleging to be Dystopian Overture. The funny thing is that MM commented on the vid saying "this is not us" :biggrin:
He could have added "asshole"
Even more hilarious is the guy that answered to MM's comment by insulting and swearing at him in spanish for no apparent reason.
Even more hilarious is the guy that answered to MM's comment by insulting and swearing at him in spanish for no apparent reason.
He's probably one of those guys responsible for uploading these fake leaks :P
Since MM actually discredited it, we know it's not a real leak. Should be fine.I was thinking the same thing, until I saw the comment that MM has posted in that discussion. Which makes it a different thing, to me.Somehow, I doubt the bosk will agree.
Don't think so. Someone from within the band acknowledges that this thing exists, and discusses it himself. But it'll be up to the mods.
New Anglya ?
New Anglais ?
New England ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the remaining characters has been hinted to or revealed in any way by the band, including the press already released regarding the new album.
New Anglya ?
New Anglais ?
New England ?
Sounds about right if we're going with the theory that the map is based on New York and its surrounding areas. But then New Pavonya would be New Jersey, and I'm not sure what the connection is. "Yorkeland" at least has York in it, and Anglya sounds similar to England.
Rumborak explained the NJ/Pavonia thing in his thread where he (correctly) guessed where this was all going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MAiFoJW4u8
A fake track alleging to be Dystopian Overture. The funny thing is that MM commented on the vid saying "this is not us" :biggrin:
He could have added "asshole"
Even more hilarious is the guy that answered to MM's comment by insulting and swearing at him in spanish for no apparent reason.
We knew about Arabelle anyway, but we didn't know she's the Empress (presumably Nafaryus' wife then). That's a reasonably interesting development. I can make out some of the smaller place names too. Just about. North Point (at the very top), Idlehaven, Wick's Grove. And can we assume that the big body of water to the right is The (Great) North Sea?
New character: Empress Arabelle, from the Empire
New map piece, too
I'm calling it: Faythe is the top right, next to Arhys and above Clock Dude*. The bottom two both look male to me, especially the left one.
*Yes. Even when his actual name is revealed, char8 will forever be known as Clock Dude/Guy/Bloke.
I'm calling it: Faythe is the top right, next to Arhys and above Clock Dude*. The bottom two both look male to me, especially the left one.
*Yes. Even when his actual name is revealed, char8 will forever be known as Clock Dude/Guy/Bloke.
Clock Guy shall live on... Forever!
So, which band member/former band member is Arabelle supposed to be?There's only one logical answer to that:
Yeah, I don't like her either, while Nafaryus on the other hand *SEEMS* a benevolent dude, you don't get the "Ok, this is obviously the bad guy" vibe from him.
*Yes. Even when his actual name is revealed, char8 will forever be known as Clock Dude/Guy/Bloke.
I'm at a time when you are not in my room for a long way toward an astonishing I love the fact is the fucking Persia to get my money and time consuming but it would have a nice dream about the clock
Quote from: hadi-persianI'm at a time when you are not in my room for a long way toward an astonishing I love the fact is the fucking Persia to get my money and time consuming but it would have a nice dream about the clock
:'( beautiful
Quote from: hadi-persianI'm at a time when you are not in my room for a long way toward an astonishing I love the fact is the fucking Persia to get my money and time consuming but it would have a nice dream about the clock
:'( beautiful
Just now when I made it up :lol
I guess my impression was dead on !
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the remaining characters has been hinted to or revealed in any way by the band, including the press already released regarding the new album.
Well, if you don't count Faythe, that is.
"Anglya" is very close to Russian way of saying "England", so there.
what is the fucking hat do with anything dream theatre will call police and give you the fine and you say is just a fucking clock :lolQuote from: hadi-persianI'm at a time when you are not in my room for a long way toward an astonishing I love the fact is the fucking Persia to get my money and time consuming but it would have a nice dream about the clock
:'( beautiful
Quote from: hadi-persianI'm at a time when you are not in my room for a long way toward an astonishing I love the fact is the fucking Persia to get my money and time consuming but it would have a nice dream about the clock
:'( beautiful
I really thought it was legit until I saw thisJust now when I made it up :lol
I guess my impression was dead on !
Your impression was definitely as precise as a clock :clap:
I'm amazed by what I see coming through from the DT Facebook thread. The song they released actually sounds good but how can they or anyone for that matter with a straight face make these statements about the artwork, story line, included magic death star flying thingamabob, etc? Are they now catering to 9 year olds? Yeah, go ahead and charge me for my extra super duper fan package with a Lord of the Hunger Goblet lightsaber that I can play with while listening to some opera about the evil masonic dwarfs that stole the music or whatever. What a shame and what a loss to what otherwise would be intelligent music.
What a shame and what a loss to what otherwise would be intelligent music.You lost me there :lol
I'm probably double your age so I too have zero interest in the the "extras" if you will but I will still buy the CD and give the music
a fair chance. The music is all I care about.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
You don't have to be 9 years old to like toys. You've only got to look at the grown men weeping over The Force Awakens and buying BB8 toys to see that nerds of all ages will happily lap this stuff up and will have the toy NOMAC in pride of place in their DT collection. For those who just want the music, you will be able to buy just the music, no one is forcing you to buy the super duper deluxe edition.
I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.While I agree that much of fantasy/sci-fi would make anyone cringe, that's just a stereotype you have in your head. Lots of adult, respectable people out there who love that kind of thing, and are far from what you describe - legendary musicians too, like David Bowie.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
You certainly don't have to like the music, lyrics, concept, etc. of the new album (or any DT album, for that matter) to post here. But you DO have to avoid insulting the band and their fans, including the user-base of this forum, if you want to stay here. So I will ask you once and once only to tone down the insulting generalizations.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
You certainly don't have to like the music, lyrics, concept, etc. of the new album (or any DT album, for that matter) to post here. But you DO have to avoid insulting the band and their fans, including the user-base of this forum, if you want to stay here. So I will ask you once and once only to tone down the insulting generalizations.
Fair enough. I'm just upset given that I would count myself a fan since the very early days. I started seeing them in little clubs in front of a few dozen people back in the days. Everyone has their ups and downs and it's great to explore new ideas. I love all of the early albums. I very much like most of the rest, with the exception of the last one and SFAM - which I know makes me look "weird" already probably by most fans. DT's music has and remains an important part of my life since the first album. I'm happy about their success that they well deserve - I'm just concerned that it's turning into a formula to attract new audiences that may come at a price artistically.
I get you. And that's a fair point.
But I will say, however, that I personally don't think this is just a gimmick of "formula" to attract new fans. They've done concepts and themes many times now. And in terms of going sci-fi, that's not really new either if you think about it. I mean, JP was writing sci-fi lyrics all the way back to the first album (The Killing Hand).
Ripping on people who do like it just seems childish.
It sounds to me like you care way too much about how other perceive you based on what stuff of entertainment you like.Bingo.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only DT fan of my group of friends, yet I'm the only one who hasn't seen any Star Wars movieDefinitely this - won't even bother going to the cinema for the last one :P
the pic of clock is the mirror.
8.when your time has come.
maybe the char 8 show to us when the nafaryus was a childe.
i think we must calculating the days after the arrival the char 8 to release the album! what's the meanin of this?
4 characters from ravenskill.(1 character is hidden) and four characters from GNE. whats ur idea?
so give ur info about all characters. after compeleting all 8 caharcters.warning from DT: Hey dtf. when your time has come.exactly the track8
:lol
It sounds to me like you care way too much about how other perceive you based on what stuff of entertainment you like.
I like what I like and who cares what other people like. Some people like the same stuff as me, some don't. It's pretty narrow minded to judge people based on their interest though, is it not? I mean, the "geek" industry is currently -the- largest industry in the world. The geek have inherited the earth. Star Wars 7 opens in 33 hours, and I will be there to see it, along with hundreds of likeminded people who enjoy the same movie as I do - but I don't go about judging those who do not go to see it. Their business.
the pic of clock is the mirror.I feel like you're starting to just state random facts/theories every other sentence, WERE YOU JUST A HYPE OR WHAT? Make it rain baby!
8.when your time has come.
maybe the char 8 show to us when the nafaryus was a childe.
i think we must calculating the days after the arrival the char 8 to release the album! what's the meanin of this?
4 characters from ravenskill.(1 character is hidden) and four characters from GNE. whats ur idea?
so give ur info about all characters. after compeleting all 8 caharcters.warning from DT: Hey dtf. when your time has come.exactly the track8
:lol
the relase date is 29th. i see it in fuckin amazon. u dont undrestand my idea.i say we can calculating the fuckin days after arival the char 8. wow kotowboy. u have new info about release album. the relase date is 29th :lolYea I have another fact for you Mister Persian, we don't calculate the release date, we read fuckin amazon and see it release 29 Janury
when we can see the char 8 pic? after fuckin look to char 8 i think we can calculating days until album got for sale. do u know about another info? we know only the release date of fuckin astonishing. so when ur time has come. i saw ur post in dtf
The album is out on January 29.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW
I guess you're right. His prediction were definitely all spot on. I really wish he was still there to share more of his wisdom with us.
i wish u can speaking persian. i cant send my idea exactly.cause of poor english language. all of you: when u ready for the astonishing tour. if u buy the VIP .pls tell to band all iranian fans hi to DT.thanxI can speaking persian fleuntly talk to me like I'm the prince of persia man! I understand the words yes yes!
give me info about the tome of arriving the char 8.then calculate after showing char 8 until 29th jaunary.
hey dtf? tell me info about char 8?
is the charachter from GNE or RRM? 4 near the 4.
the pic of clock is the mirror.:metal
8.when your time has come.
maybe the char 8 show to us when the nafaryus was a childe.
i think we must calculating the days after the arrival the char 8 to release the album! what's the meanin of this?
4 characters from ravenskill.(1 character is hidden) and four characters from GNE. whats ur idea?
so give ur info about all characters. after compeleting all 8 caharcters.warning from DT: Hey dtf. when your time has come.exactly the track8
:lol
( One Wormy hat and one astonishing nose and one monster face) kotowboy change ur profile pics.
have u ever seen DT in TV?
heavy brian
Seriously what is your fascination with char8 ? :lolpalm:
I just don't understand.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
It sounds to me like you care way too much about how other perceive you based on what stuff of entertainment you like.
I like what I like and who cares what other people like. Some people like the same stuff as me, some don't. It's pretty narrow minded to judge people based on their interest though, is it not? I mean, the "geek" industry is currently -the- largest industry in the world. The geek have inherited the earth. Star Wars 7 opens in 33 hours, and I will be there to see it, along with hundreds of likeminded people who enjoy the same movie as I do - but I don't go about judging those who do not go to see it. Their business.
It's really not that. I don't care what other think about what I like. And I really hope you'll have great fun at the movie theater. My comments were solely about myself and not about others. My apologies if that insulted anyone. This was more about my own grief that some things don't last or may turn into something that's not yours any longer.
It happens. Pink Floyd is no more (and I find David Gilmour's solo attempt equally sad), Rush may be on their way out...big part of the soundtrack of my life.
And nothing against "geekish" things - plenty of that going on with me.
It has nothing to do with age. I'm 25 years old and I would love to buy all this "useless trash", but I live in Brazil, the land where the government taxes 60% over my damn soul, so yeah.
And now the music is "not intelligent" because of some marketing? Sounds a bit elitist to me.
I am elitist. One of the reasons I like bands like DT. I just have an aversion to the whole fantasy and star wars nonsense that is really written for teenage boys who live in their parent's basement and can't get a girlfriend. Not everyone can be a Neil Peart (though Rush went into that kind of territory at some point as well but a bit more clever) but still, yikes.
Dudes come on. Stop bullying Hadi. It's really not cool.
Well, we get to page 99 of this thread for it to descend into playground bullying.
This sort of behavior and language should not be allowed on an official forum linked to the band.
Can't imagine what the band are thinking seeing an individual being ridiculed for not having enough understanding of English to properly express this thoughts and theory's.
It really saddens me. :'(
give me info about the tome of arriving the char 8.then calculate after showing char 8 until 29th jaunary.
NOQuotehey dtf? tell me info about char 8?
NOQuoteis the charachter from GNE or RRM? 4 near the 4.
DONT KNOW
It will either be Great Northern Empire or Ravenskill Rebel Militia.
Don't know if its my imagination, but on The Astonishing web page, is the Nomac at the bottom of the page getting bigger?Not sure if the NOMACS is getting bigger, or if it has to do with the added picture of Empress Arabelle. Something to do with coding I think.
When the page opened I'm sure the Nomac almost fitted completely on the screen, now only half fits on!
New Anglya ?
New Anglais ?
New England ?
What is up with Arabelle's neck? It looks really odd to me. Maybe it's just a covering but it looks seamless in the transition to her face.
What is up with Arabelle's neck? It looks really odd to me. Maybe it's just a covering but it looks seamless in the transition to her face.
The shadowing does make it look a bit weird.
I'm shocked that nobody else here thinks she looks like the Child Empress, or even remembers that movie.. Well, at least it'll always be in my heart.
I'm shocked that nobody else here thinks she looks like the Child Empress, or even remembers that movie.. Well, at least it'll always be in my heart.
I'm shocked that nobody else here thinks she looks like the Child Empress, or even remembers that movie.. Well, at least it'll always be in my heart.
The child empress has a really cute look about her. Arabelle looks like she would scare Al Sharpton white.
I'm shocked that nobody else here thinks she looks like the Child Empress, or even remembers that movie.. Well, at least it'll always be in my heart.
I still have nightmares from seeing Atreyu's horse dying in the swamps. Childhood scars.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/uktv/image/upload/v1428916067/mxm7vukwrgmlxdjnps5a.jpg)
Easily missed
I still have nightmares from seeing Atreyu's horse dying in the swamps. Childhood scars.
Not sure if this has been mentioned lately, and being reminded by the best lyricist topic, but does anyone reckon we'll see more lyric contribution this time from Labrie? And hopefully Myung comes back again? Given that there are 34 tracks, I was hoping to see a few more Myung/Labrie lyrics this time.
I would love to hear more Myung penned songs.
I would love to hear the first Rudess penned song.
That is somewhat speculation based on the fact that Petrucci is credited with the story. That doesn't necessarily mean he wrote all of the lyrics, but he may have.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/uktv/image/upload/v1428916067/mxm7vukwrgmlxdjnps5a.jpg)
Like I said...
penned songs
So... What are the chances of a second song being released, like they did with TGOM before The Astonishing is in our hands?
I would like to hear a song from the POV of The Great Northern Empire.
But that has been discussed in this thread already, hasn't it?
So... What are the chances of a second song being released, like they did with TGOM before The Astonishing is in our hands?
I would like to hear a song from the POV of The Great Northern Empire.
But that has been discussed in this thread already, hasn't it?
Onl6 on pages 75 - 99
But seriously yes I think there is a good chance... I'm of two minds though. Not sure if I want to hear another note until the disc arrives.
Mangini penned song
why not Portnoy penned songs?
why not Portnoy penned songs?
He's on a break.
Mangini penned song
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The press release stated that the band doesn't consider TGOM to be a single. Given the two video placeholders, we could get two full fledged singles with music videos before release (or two behind the scenes videos).What press release??
Either way, the band thought it important to state that TGOM is not a single.
The press release stated that the band doesn't consider TGOM to be a single. Given the two video placeholders, we could get two full fledged singles with music videos before release (or two behind the scenes videos).
Either way, the band thought it important to state that TGOM is not a single.
Yep, they actually call it "Snippet"
Mangini penned song
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This might be old news, but did anyone notice two of the three NOMAC red "eyes" are lit now? And they are clickable buttons? One eye to go...
This might be old news, but did anyone notice two of the three NOMAC red "eyes" are lit now? And they are clickable buttons? One eye to go...
This might be old news, but did anyone notice two of the three NOMAC red "eyes" are lit now? And they are clickable buttons? One eye to go...
They've been lit and clickable the whole time. I've tried to click those dang buttons every single time there's an update, but no dice yet! :lol
Every time you click on a NOMAC's eye, DTF kills a kitten...
Every time you click on a NOMAC's eye, DTF kills a kitten...
"We have some big news that we will be announcing LIVE tomorrow at 1pm EST on our Facebook page. Sign up, and we'll remind you to tune in!"Very interesting considering the current marketing for the album has been almost cloak and dagger.
From the official FB page.
I'll be getting ready to watch The Force Awakens by then. I don't think they ever announced album details or singles live before, did they? I'm betting they are announcing more tour dates or some gigs in places they never played before...
Or a broadway show, lol.
EDIT: Semi ninja'd by Kotowboy.
The announcement will be made at 1 pm Eastern by Jordan Rudess, apparently by video on Facebook.
That is all I can reveal for now.
Only time will tell :neverusethis:
The image footer says to sign up at dt.com/tour and you have to input your Country/City, so NA/World Tour dates it is.
The image footer says to sign up at dt.com/tour and you have to input your Country/City, so NA/World Tour dates it is.
That's so they can give you a reminder mail for the livestream, the city information is needed for your timezone.
I agree that this is a NA tour announcement. For the love of everything that is holy, PLEASE include South East US states!!
For the love of everything that is holy, PLEASE include South East US states!!Boy, no shit. That would be awesome.
Not saying they shouldn't tour NA, but it's not THAT important of a news story. They could do a regular update for thatI get what you're saying. Not sure why they wouldn't just release that info, instead of an announcement that they would have an announcement.
This time, they're building more hype than before for this album. They are announcing the announcement. The news are probably going to be huge. And you think it will be NA tour announcement? Guys, the world doesn't revolve around NA
They would also disappoint a lot of fans hyped for tomorrow by announcing something like that
Not saying they shouldn't tour NA, but it's not THAT important of a news story. They could do a regular update for that
Why are you all worried about them not touring in North America? It's not like it's a band from another country that rarely tours and that go only in few places... I hope for something more interesting than tour dates
??? Nobody posted that they are worried about the band not touring North America. Not sure where you are getting that from.It seems like some are worried, maybe I misunderstood (I'm not English) but I did read something on facebook and this: https://m.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/3wj7lc/will_there_be_a_us_astonishing_tour/
Because they only announced the European dates in a regular update, I don't believe they make such a big deal out of announcing the American tour.
I'm hoping for a second song, after all they have more than enough to choose from ;)
Maybe it will be the proper single with a video?
Would be great if they simply streamed Act 1 without any comment or introduction.
New band member: Shawn "Clown" on Percussion :neverusethis:
It's interesting that they're having Jordan make the announcement. Maybe it's app related? He did just release GeoShred (finally). Maybe like a new app to help us keep up with the storyline or something? That could be kinda cool.
This time, they're building more hype than before for this album. They are announcing the announcement. The news are probably going to be huge. And you think it will be NA tour announcement? Guys, the world doesn't revolve around NA
They would also disappoint a lot of fans hyped for tomorrow by announcing something like that
Not saying they shouldn't tour NA, but it's not THAT important of a news story. They could do a regular update for that
Of course the world doesn't revolve around North America. But given that Dream Theater is a U.S.-based band, a North America tour announcement absolutely WOULD be considered "important news" to this band. I honestly don't know how you could think otherwise.
But I'm not saying that's what the announcement will be.
This time, they're building more hype than before for this album. They are announcing the announcement. The news are probably going to be huge. And you think it will be NA tour announcement? Guys, the world doesn't revolve around NA
They would also disappoint a lot of fans hyped for tomorrow by announcing something like that
Not saying they shouldn't tour NA, but it's not THAT important of a news story. They could do a regular update for that
Of course the world doesn't revolve around North America. But given that Dream Theater is a U.S.-based band, a North America tour announcement absolutely WOULD be considered "important news" to this band. I honestly don't know how you could think otherwise.
But I'm not saying that's what the announcement will be.
You don't announce tour dates with a live stream. Just imagine a video of a band reading a list of cities and dates for three minutes. You don't go through the hassle of a live stream to read a list.
Only time will tell :neverusethis:
"IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TEEEEEEEEEIM!" PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE THE TEEEEEEIM FOH MUZAK ANYMOAH"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIPoM-WsjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIPoM-WsjU)
Only time will tell :neverusethis:
"IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TEEEEEEEEEIM!" PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE THE TEEEEEEIM FOH MUZAK ANYMOAH"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIPoM-WsjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIPoM-WsjU)
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If it's tour dates, I hope they play in St. Louis. They haven't played here for years, and we have this as far as theaters go:
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Greetings Dream Theater fan!
It is with a tear in the eye that I am announcing that Dream Theater's time has come. Due to personnal discords that happened in the last three days, we have chosen to leave all of this behind and search for a better life. That means that all the project we had planned, such as the new album realease and the following tour have been put to rest. We are all deeply sorry if you feel betrayed, but don't lose faith. I have hope that an astonishing new beginning is waiting all of us!
So from the whole band, I give you all our last farewell!
Thank you to you all!
Quote from: Jordan Rudess AnnouncementGreetings Dream Theater fan!
It is with a tear in the eye that I am announcing that Dream Theater's time has come. Due to personnal discords that happened in the last three days, we have chosen to leave all of this behind and search for a better life. That means that all the project we had planned, such as the new album realease and the following tour have been put to rest. We are all deeply sorry if you feel betrayed, but don't lose faith. I have hope that an astonishing new beginning is waiting all of us!
So from the whole band, I give you all our last farewell!
Thank you to you all!
What's the point of that "joke"?
Live stream?
Is this going to be another hour long discussion from Jordan, about what hair conditioner he uses? And how he gets his hair so silky smooth? :laugh:
If it's tour dates, I hope they play in St. Louis. They haven't played here for years, and we have this as far as theaters go:
Guys, take a look at the link to the official DT Tour web...
https://www.dreamtheater.net/tour?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=na&utm_content=Fans__NorthAmerica_teaser&utm_campaign=DreamTheater_NorthAmerica__teaser
"Fans__NorthAmerica_teaser&utm_campaign=DreamTheater_NorthAmerica__teaser" Welp. :mehlin
Maybe the announcement is them announcing when they will be making the big announcement? :huh:
Has the band ever announced something via live stream before?
Jordan is announcing he is now, offically, A WIZZARD.
Maybe it's a live in-studio performance of the entire opus with full orchestra and choir, who knows :biggrin:
Jordan is announcing he's growing his hair back. They really are taking seriously going back to their (hair) roots. :metal
SquareEnix is putting on hold the release of Final Fantasy VII & Kingdom Hearts III to develop the new epic adventure RPG "The Astonishing". Like no game ever before, "The Astonishing" promises endless hours of fun while you free this nation of its lack of music!
I'm hoping Bosk's "hint" means...
Well, there is a new event on their Facebook page showing a concert in Albany, New York on April 18, and I actually saw while browsing that a venue in Greensburg, PA already posted that Dream Theater will be there on April 26.
Well, there is a new event on their Facebook page showing a concert in Albany, New York on April 18, and I actually saw while browsing that a venue in Greensburg, PA already posted that Dream Theater will be there on April 26.
SquareEnix is putting on hold the release of Final Fantasy VII & Kingdom Hearts III to develop the new epic adventure RPG "The Astonishing". Like no game ever before, "The Astonishing" promises endless hours of fun while you free this nation of its lack of music!
:lol
I was just thinking along the lines of: Bethesda Studios announces that during the past 2 years they have been collaborating with John Petrucci in making a total conversion project for Skyrim set in the world of "The Astonishing."
IF the announcement is just NA tour dates, I'll be very disappointed. No need to tease like that to announce new tour dates. Well, wait and see...
B.Lee
Anyone else have a fear that it won't be good news?? Like maybe a band member is leaving? I don't know why this thought occurred to me, but it could be that Jordan is leaving the band after this tour....
God that would suck.
So... Dumb question (I'm not that into FB), do you just go to the DT Facebook page and the live stream will show up?It should. I was able to pull up their page without signing in, so you should be able to do the same.
I'm not allowed to watch because I don't have Farce Book. ::)
Keeps asking me to log in.
Thanks.
A livestream to announce a tour.
That's not a big announcement. Obviously you're going to tour. That's expected.
A big announcement should be to announce something UN-expected.
A livestream to announce a tour.
That's not a big announcement. Obviously you're going to tour. That's expected.
A big announcement should be to announce something UN-expected.
A livestream to announce a tour.
That's not a big announcement. Obviously you're going to tour. That's expected.
A big announcement should be to announce something UN-expected.
He's also answering some questions.
People are asking for more interaction from them. Now that they are interacting with fans, you say that the event is not big enough to do a fan interaction.
The dates on their tour page have more dates from Europe, NA, Asia, etc. that are listed after the April/May NA Tour, but have the wrong months in order.Those are all past dates, even if they say on sale soon. There's an April 18th show in Riverside listed as onsale soon, but that's the show I saw in 2013. Plus there's already a show in Boston on that day.
A livestream to announce a tour.
That's not a big announcement. Obviously you're going to tour. That's expected.
A big announcement should be to announce something UN-expected.
That's not a very extensive North American tour.
NEVER ENOUGH
NEVER ENOUGH
Because it's too much to expect a "Big Announcement With Livestream" to be a big announcement ? ;)
I' didn't watch the original announcement, but these US show will be in the format of playing ALL the astonishing album live, with the same stage production that there will be in Europe? Thanks!
The big announcement is actually that Quebec City, Montreal, and Toronto have all become part of the United States, seeing as they're listed as part of the "US Tour".
Couldn't even say North American instead of US? :P
Also, once again, Canada is apparently just those three cities.
I don't really feel that the announcement was worth a 30 min livestream.
I' didn't watch the original announcement, but these US show will be in the format of playing ALL the astonishing album live, with the same stage production that there will be in Europe? Thanks!
I believe so, yes.
Apr. 24 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre :metal :metal :metal
Cannot believe that the South East US got snubbed again.
Apr. 24 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre :metal :metal :metal
Cannot believe that the South East US got snubbed again.
Maybe their sales there are really low to not be worth going to?
It's super cool they're playing Radio City once again.
Saturday night in Toronto! :tup :hat
Any guestimations on the price of tickets?
Saturday night in Toronto! :tup :hat
Any guestimations on the price of tickets?
Saturday night in Toronto! :tup :hat
Any guestimations on the price of tickets?
Does every show have its own presale? You guys are talking about presale starting tomorrow, but ticket master says presale for the Chicago show starts on Tuesday. I really don't know how any of this works.
DREAM THEATER has announced their first North American tour of 2016, which will see the pioneering group performing a historic set in immersive and interactive settings for a unique and unparalleled live experience.
Set to kick off April 14 at Quebec City’s Theatre Du Capitole, the spring trek will see the prog virtuosos delivering a one-of-a-kind show in which they will perform their forthcoming double concept album, "The Astonishing", live in its entirety. The momentous tour will continue through May with the band making stops at prestigious theaters throughout North America including New York's Radio City Music Hall, Los Angeles's The Wiltern, and Boston's Orpheum Theatre, with additional dates to be announced.
Pre-sale for the North American dates is set to begin on Friday, December 18 with general on sale starting Tuesday, December 22.
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Does every show have its own presale? You guys are talking about presale starting tomorrow, but ticket master says presale for the Chicago show starts on Tuesday. I really don't know how any of this works.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this presale will be through the bands website, not ticketmaster.
Results may vary, are you familiar with seating at Taft theater? Is upper or lower seating about the same for sound?I've never been, personally. But I'll be getting balcony seats when they go on sale. I've had good experiences seeing DT at theatres sitting in the balcony areas.
Results may vary, are you familiar with seating at Taft theater? Is upper or lower seating about the same for sound?I've never been, personally. But I'll be getting balcony seats when they go on sale. I've had good experiences seeing DT at theatres sitting in the balcony areas.
My wife said that she will go with me, but I politely told her that I would rather go with a guy who actually likes DT. Well, that did not go over very well.
So is this now the final list of tour dates for Europe and NA. Because they are not even close to me and my poor ass can't afford to go to another country just to see the show.The NA tour dates are not finalized yet.
Please, I want them here at Mexico :'(
At least one date...
I can't imagine living a life without having seen TA live once...
Hi guys. It's been a long time since my last post. I'm a little bit worried 'cause no dates in Spain have been announced yet. Given that some northamerican one have been posted today...No more european dates this time. I hope there's a second row in europe when other countries are included. I cannot miss this opera rock live. Greetings from Spain. Thanks!If you want to see the full Astonishing live show, get a ticket for Paris or Milan...
I also expected something more from the announced announcement:) Everybody knew they always tour the United States and all the details given about the new album were already published. I think the streaming was aimed to promote Jordan's new musical app but....who knows. They have the freedom to promote whatever they want.
Sorry, but :facepalm: at the general reaction to the announcement here. What else were you expecting?
No show in SF?!?! Hoping they add a date between Denver and Portland, or I may have to consider going down to LA. :sadpanda:
So damn spoiled some of you are. Every year people expect the moon.
So damn spoiled some of you are. Every year people expect the moon.
I think they'd play there before Southeast United States
So damn spoiled some of you are. Every year people expect the moon.
I think they'd play there before Southeast United States
:lol
John, you know well that dates will be added but of course they will only play major cities that the demographic will sell tickets.
I really don't understand why DT ignores the southeast of the country (not the band literally but whoever books their shows). I've seen so many bands with half the following DT has or even less play 3-5 shows in Florida alone per touring cycle. Why couldn't DT play a show down here? They played in Orlando every single album cycle from SDOIT-ADToE. What changed? Wouldn't the band WANT to reach out to the fans this side of the country?
So damn spoiled some of you are. Every year people expect the moon.
I think they'd play there before Southeast United States
:lol
John, you know well that dates will be added but of course they will only play major cities that the demographic will sell tickets.
Of course. I know how it works. I'm just relived they're playing New York this time. :neverusethis:
So damn spoiled some of you are. Every year people expect the moon.
I think they'd play there before Southeast United States
:lol
John, you know well that dates will be added but of course they will only play major cities that the demographic will sell tickets.
Of course. I know how it works. I'm just relived they're playing New York this time. :neverusethis:
I was mocking about the, "That's the big announcement "? That killed me. :lol
There's a few days between the Cincinnati and Chicago shows, so a Michigan/St. Louis date (or both) could be possible there.
I suspect they will add a second show in Los Angeles. I'm surprised there are back-to-back dates for some cities in Europe, but none in US. Faith No More and King Diamond sold out quickly at The Wiltern and additional shows were added, so I have a hunch this could happen with DT as well. I mean, its 1/3 the size of Radio City Music Hall.
I guess I kind of expected this announcement... but really? Did anyone ever think they weren't going to tour the U.S. eventually?
I suspect they will add a second show in Los Angeles. I'm surprised there are back-to-back dates for some cities in Europe, but none in US. Faith No More and King Diamond sold out quickly at The Wiltern and additional shows were added, so I have a hunch this could happen with DT as well. I mean, its 1/3 the size of Radio City Music Hall.
Actually there are several back to back dates on the NA list. Hope that Labrie is up to so many back to back shows especially in the middle part of the NA tour.
I suspect they will add a second show in Los Angeles. I'm surprised there are back-to-back dates for some cities in Europe, but none in US. Faith No More and King Diamond sold out quickly at The Wiltern and additional shows were added, so I have a hunch this could happen with DT as well. I mean, its 1/3 the size of Radio City Music Hall.
Actually there are several back to back dates on the NA list. Hope that Labrie is up to so many back to back shows especially in the middle part of the NA tour.
Sorry. I meant to say SAME cities, as in New York for two nights in same venue, Chicago for two nights same venue, etc. I think they do that a few times in Europe.
There's a few days between the Cincinnati and Chicago shows, so a Michigan/St. Louis date (or both) could be possible there.
Dream Theater hasn't played in St. Louis since some dumbass fell out of the balcony at the Pageant going for a drum stick Portnoy tossed to the crowd. I'll be shocked if they come here again any time soon.
I suspect they will add a second show in Los Angeles. I'm surprised there are back-to-back dates for some cities in Europe, but none in US. Faith No More and King Diamond sold out quickly at The Wiltern and additional shows were added, so I have a hunch this could happen with DT as well. I mean, its 1/3 the size of Radio City Music Hall.
Actually there are several back to back dates on the NA list. Hope that Labrie is up to so many back to back shows especially in the middle part of the NA tour.
I was really surprised that they did not schedule DT in St. Louis either the 28th or 29th. Perhaps they want two days off on those days. The St Louis theater that someone posted last night was gorgeous.
Sorry, but :facepalm: at the general reaction to the announcement here. What else were you expecting?
This.Sorry, but :facepalm: at the general reaction to the announcement here. What else were you expecting?
I was expecting (considering that the announcement was announced the day before) that it would be something other than a standard tour announcement. For people who already have tickets, watching the whole 30 mins (which I did :facepalm:) unfortunately felt like a waste of time. It just didn't require a build up, livestreams should really be for a far more in-depth reveal like maybe showing how elements of the stage show are going to work, not just dates.
This.Sorry, but :facepalm: at the general reaction to the announcement here. What else were you expecting?
I was expecting (considering that the announcement was announced the day before) that it would be something other than a standard tour announcement. For people who already have tickets, watching the whole 30 mins (which I did :facepalm:) unfortunately felt like a waste of time. It just didn't require a build up, livestreams should really be for a far more in-depth reveal like maybe showing how elements of the stage show are going to work, not just dates.
Nothing wrong with announcing tour dates, that's cool. Officially announcing that in 24 hours there will be a "big announcement" via livestream obviously means people expect something more. They really could have just announced the tour dates, and then had a live Q&A with Jordan that was advertised that way - seems like it was a cool thing, but people are dispapointed because they expected something else.
A big announcement suggested something special, not something they do every tour. It also didn't warrant the buildup given that it's just adding more tour dates to the ones they'd already announced.
I'd say it was a big announcement. Some people on this board have done nothing but complain about there being no US dates ever since the Europe dates were announced.
I'd say it was a big announcement. Some people on this board have done nothing but complain about there being no US dates ever since the Europe dates were announced.
That's because they're American. :P
I'd say it was a big announcement. Some people on this board have done nothing but complain about there being no US dates ever since the Europe dates were announced.
That's because they're American. :P
I see Aussies whining right now. :lol
Everybody wants answers like right now! People need to settle down.
I'd say it was a big announcement. Some people on this board have done nothing but complain about there being no US dates ever since the Europe dates were announced.
That's because they're American. :P
I see Aussies whining right now. :lol
My wife said that she will go with me, but I politely told her that I would rather go with a guy who actually likes DT. Well, that did not go over very well.
Tough beans. When I have that convo with my wife about her not going to a show with me, her response is along the lines of "Sweet!"
Radio City here I come! :metal
Radio City here I come! :metal
I think we need to plan a forum meet-up. Does anyone have a hat that would be appropriate for the occasion?
Radio City here I come! :metal
I think we need to plan a forum meet-up. Does anyone have a hat that would be appropriate for the occasion?
Hi guys. It's been a long time since my last post. I'm a little bit worried 'cause no dates in Spain have been announced yet. Given that some northamerican one have been posted today...No more european dates this time. I hope there's a second row in europe when other countries are included. I cannot miss this opera rock live. Greetings from Spain. Thanks!
Can any of the mods confirm if this is the final list of european shows?
Can any of the mods confirm if this is the final list of european shows?
It would be nice to know if this is final because then we can think about going to another country to see DT, but until then its too risky...
I'm probably in the minority here, but shouldn't someone open a new thread to discuss NA or EU tour? I know that this thread here rarely has anything useful, but I'm sure lots of people who don't live in those continents (including me) don't want to scroll through lots of pages of "are you going to the gig in *insertname*" or "I'm not sure if I'm getting tickets for this venue or that venue"True, there actually is a thread regarding NA tours over at the Concert and Set Lists subforum, they should probably discuss it there, but I don't mind it to be honest.
Not a critic, just a suggestion to keep it cleaner.
For those like me who don't have Facebook accounts DT uploaded yesterdays announcement to Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5em7y7IRGA
Can any of the mods confirm if this is the final list of european shows?
It would be nice to know if this is final because then we can think about going to another country to see DT, but until then its too risky...
My personal guess is that this is it for the EU tour. Seeing as there are almost no free dates between concerts and between the EU and NA leg of the tour. Shame they cut off the whole of Eastern Europe.
I was also just researching how much it would cost me to go to Milan for the concert (from Bulgaria) and with the cheapest of everything (flight, hotel, ticket for the concert) it amounts to ~150 euro, which is not as bad as I first thought it was going to be but still quite a bit for a student.
Radio City here I come! :metal
I think we need to plan a forum meet-up. Does anyone have a hat that would be appropriate for the occasion?
I laughed at the people complaining about american dates when the European dates came out. Like DT wasn't going to play here. Now some have a beef that they are not playing a lot of places but it's obvious some cities are not making them money and they are only touring the markets that will will fill the seats. Lucky for me I live in one of those areas.
Radio City here I come! :metal
I think we need to plan a forum meet-up. Does anyone have a hat that would be appropriate for the occasion?
I will be there and definitely down for the meet up, I know Prog Snob mentioned he was as well. Got great seats this morning.
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MASTERING IS DONE! THE ALBUM IS OFFICIALLY DONE!
The album was done a week ago.
These lyrics are full of errors. Vocals that doesn't fit, at all... Seriously: Why would you think you can trust an Argentinian fan page to give the right lyrics? Can they even speak English down there? Lionel Messi certainly can't (Though he lives in Spain..)
Seriously: Why would you think you can trust an Argentinian fan page to give the right lyrics? Can they even speak English down there? Lionel Messi certainly can't (Though he lives in Spain..)
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MASTERING IS DONE! THE ALBUM IS OFFICIALLY DONE!
It's interesting that DT released The Gift of Music before the overall masters were actually finished. I guess that they didn't want to drag people on for too long without hearing anything so maybe as soon as the master for TGoM was finished, they began preparing for its reveal.
That would piss me off harder than anyone can imagine.A big announcement suggested something special, not something they do every tour. It also didn't warrant the buildup given that it's just adding more tour dates to the ones they'd already announced.
I don't know, but I guess this forum is missing the point here. This tour, with all The Astonishing played live and with all the stage production, now will be extended to USA. It's not simply to announce more tour dates. I doubt when DT will be promoting this album in South America, Asia etc they will do this way. I guess they will do a more regular kind of show, playing only a few parts of The Astonishing and with the regular show production.
That would piss me off harder than anyone can imagine.A big announcement suggested something special, not something they do every tour. It also didn't warrant the buildup given that it's just adding more tour dates to the ones they'd already announced.
I don't know, but I guess this forum is missing the point here. This tour, with all The Astonishing played live and with all the stage production, now will be extended to USA. It's not simply to announce more tour dates. I doubt when DT will be promoting this album in South America, Asia etc they will do this way. I guess they will do a more regular kind of show, playing only a few parts of The Astonishing and with the regular show production.
It's interesting that DT released The Gift of Music before the overall masters were actually finished. I guess that they didn't want to drag people on for too long without hearing anything so maybe as soon as the master for TGoM was finished, they began preparing for its reveal.
I think it's really hard to transcribe lyrics, especially when James goes high - he's not the greatest enunciator while singing high notes.
This was my exact thought as well. Don't screw it up, DT!It's interesting that DT released The Gift of Music before the overall masters were actually finished. I guess that they didn't want to drag people on for too long without hearing anything so maybe as soon as the master for TGoM was finished, they began preparing for its reveal.
I just hope TGOM wasn't pre-mastered, because it sounded good! I don't want it ruined with more compression.
Have you guys checked out VRA's cover of TGoM? DAT CHOIR at the end, it gave me more than goosebumps...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKJ_tJqw0
Nice :tup
We might all be referring to the lyric booklet for the first few listens to the album, to try and work out who's singing what.
Those guys nailed it . :metalHave you guys checked out VRA's cover of TGoM? DAT CHOIR at the end, it gave me more than goosebumps...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKJ_tJqw0
Nice :tup
I think TGOM is sung entirely by Arhys. The Empire "masses" can't sing "People just don't have the time for music anymore" as they don't know what music even is. The NOMACs are all they've ever known.
We might all be referring to the lyric booklet for the first few listens to the album, to try and work out who's singing what.
I dreamed that exactly, except that Astonishing lasted 23 minutes hahaI think TGOM is sung entirely by Arhys. The Empire "masses" can't sing "People just don't have the time for music anymore" as they don't know what music even is. The NOMACs are all they've ever known.
We might all be referring to the lyric booklet for the first few listens to the album, to try and work out who's singing what.
I think it started with a neutral narrator, and at some point, probably in "We're living day to day" (depending if it's "Across the vast North Empire" or "I cross the vast North Empire"), it shifted to Arhys.
By the way, I had a dream where the total duration of the album was 2 hours and 13 minutes. Was it based on real information that now I can't recover/remember?
By the way, I had a dream where the total duration of the album was 2 hours and 13 minutes. Was it based on real information that now I can't recover/remember?
Holy crapHave you guys checked out VRA's cover of TGoM? DAT CHOIR at the end, it gave me more than goosebumps...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKJ_tJqw0
Nice :tup
Holy crapHave you guys checked out VRA's cover of TGoM? DAT CHOIR at the end, it gave me more than goosebumps...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKJ_tJqw0
Nice :tup
Holy crap
The band must see this. :hefdaddyHave you guys checked out VRA's cover of TGoM? DAT CHOIR at the end, it gave me more than goosebumps...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKJ_tJqw0
Nice :tup
That was really amazing. Wow.
Maybe it's me though, did something sound off right after the Petrucci solo? It sounds like the instrumental part after that was different.
The band must see this. :hefdaddy
Great job guys!!!!
Well, a new update tomorrow and we will have 2 more left. Interesting that we won't have everything before Xmas.
So here's something that just occurred to me.I doubt it's a coincidence.
There's a long form poem from the 1800s that's based on the culture of the Acadian people (though not written by an Acadian). It's called Evangeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangeline).
The reason I bring it up;
It's about a young woman, Evangeline, a victim of 'Le Grand Derangement'. It's all about her search for her lost love, Gabriel.
It's possible, and probably quite likely, that this is a coincidence, but maybe it could provide a hint toward one of the story elements of this album?
Well, a new update tomorrow and we will have 2 more left. Interesting that we won't have everything before Xmas.
After the remaining characters and map pieces, we still have the locked "places" section and the two videos. I expect updates up to the release.
I'd like a new song for Christmas.
I'd like a new song for Christmas.
Really? Is this confirmed? I heard peoplee say that a sampler has done the rounds and TGOM isn't anywhere near the best that's on there. Nothing about an official single coming....
I'd like a new song for Christmas.
So you'd like a gift of music :neverusethis:
I'd like some Southeast shows for Christmas :metalMaybe next fall - does dt normally play the festivals in Europe in the summer?
Really? Is this confirmed? I heard peoplee say that a sampler has done the rounds and TGOM isn't anywhere near the best that's on there. Nothing about an official single coming....Just hoping for a single release, nothing official!! But the fact that TGOM is not a single but a preview of the album is confirmed... It would be a strange choice not to release a single, but It wouldn't be a problem for me to wait until the 29th and listen to the whole thing..
Can you please explain to me why TGOM is actually NOT a proper single? Sorry but I cant find anything about this from just searching the forum.
In music, a single or record single is a type of release, typically a song recording of fewer tracks than an LP record or an album. This can be released for sale to the public in a variety of different formats. In most cases, a single is a song that is released separately from an album, although it usually also appears on an album. Typically, these are the songs from albums that are released separately for promotional uses such as digital download or commercial radio airplay and are expected to be the most popular. In other cases a recording released as a single may not appear on an album.
As digital downloading and audio streaming have become more prevalent, it is often possible for every track on an album to also be available separately. Nevertheless, the concept of a single for an album has been retained as an identification of a more heavily promoted or more popular song (or group of songs) within an album collection.
Despite being referred to as a single, singles can include up to as many as three tracks on them. The biggest digital music distributor iTunes accepts as many as three tracks less than ten minutes each as a single, as well as popular music player Spotify also following in this trend. Anymore than three tracks on a musical release or longer than thirty minutes in total running time is commonly classed as an Extended Play (EP).
i've listened to TGOM and it has way more put into it than most every DT12 song, even at only 4 minutes long
so yeah, this will be better than DT12 most likely
Can you please explain to me why TGOM is actually NOT a proper single? Sorry but I cant find anything about this from just searching the forum.
Because this is a concept album which does not have a radio single song, the story goes on and maybe the album does not have any song which could be a standalone single.
Not sure if sarcastic or not.i've listened to TGOM and it has way more put into it than most every DT12 song, even at only 4 minutes long
so yeah, this will be better than DT12 most likely
Can't possibly be worse!!!!!!!
The whole 'single or preview' argument is so fucking dumb, because it's basically the same thing. The term for which we describe it is slightly different and it honestly doesn't represent that much of a difference.Because this is a concept album which does not have a radio single song, the story goes on and maybe the album does not have any song which could be a standalone single.
Scenes from a Memory was a rock opera as well and had two singles, despite the lyrics making little sense outside of the context.
They either hint at a lot more (maybe the two locked videos are singles with music videos), or they don't mean much at all and we're just interpreting too much (business as usual on DTF).
Well, it seems that JR gave away some info on Prog Magazine.
Spoilers below.
"...Gabriel and his brother Arhys are trying to bring back the values of music which they think will heal their world. It's a really detailed story that has a love theme as well and a really cool ending which I won't give away!" - JR
JR said he was glad he could tap into his more classical influences and also said: "We also have a lot of different styles that are even further outside that; we have a tango part and Eric Rigler plays bagpipes at one point"
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far so it becomes this kind of noise and it's all very electronic"
NOMAC's were created at the end of Misunderstood.JP created them.
Well, it seems that JR gave away some info on Prog Magazine.
Spoilers below.
"...Gabriel and his brother Arhys are trying to bring back the values of music which they think will heal their world. It's a really detailed story that has a love theme as well and a really cool ending which I won't give away!" - JR
JR said he was glad he could tap into his more classical influences and also said: "We also have a lot of different styles that are even further outside that; we have a tango part and Eric Rigler plays bagpipes at one point"
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far so it becomes this kind of noise and it's all very electronic"
Well, it seems that JR gave away some info on Prog Magazine.
Spoilers below.
"...Gabriel and his brother Arhys are trying to bring back the values of music which they think will heal their world. It's a really detailed story that has a love theme as well and a really cool ending which I won't give away!" - JR
JR said he was glad he could tap into his more classical influences and also said: "We also have a lot of different styles that are even further outside that; we have a tango part and Eric Rigler plays bagpipes at one point"
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far so it becomes this kind of noise and it's all very electronic"
Well, it seems that JR gave away some info on Prog Magazine.
Spoilers below.
"...Gabriel and his brother Arhys are trying to bring back the values of music which they think will heal their world. It's a really detailed story that has a love theme as well and a really cool ending which I won't give away!" - JR
JR said he was glad he could tap into his more classical influences and also said: "We also have a lot of different styles that are even further outside that; we have a tango part and Eric Rigler plays bagpipes at one point"
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far so it becomes this kind of noise and it's all very electronic"
Do you have the link to the article? I am looking all over the nets for it.
yeah i caught those on reddit
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far"
They tried to whahibrido pickingant :whahibridopickingant:
They tried to whahibrido pickingant :whahibridopickingant:
can someone please explain what the hell is this?
They tried to whahibrido pickingant :whahibridopickingant:
can someone please explain what the hell is this?
I'm not a bagpipe afficionado. How do you tell the difference?
Well, it seems that JR gave away some info on Prog Magazine.
Spoilers below.
"...Gabriel and his brother Arhys are trying to bring back the values of music which they think will heal their world. It's a really detailed story that has a love theme as well and a really cool ending which I won't give away!" - JR
JR said he was glad he could tap into his more classical influences and also said: "We also have a lot of different styles that are even further outside that; we have a tango part and Eric Rigler plays bagpipes at one point"
"In addition to all the organic elements...there are also these interludes with the NOMACS...they're these futuristic Noise Machines that create their own sound and in the story, over time, machines are given the power to create music but they take it too far so it becomes this kind of noise and it's all very electronic"
Oh my, those are EXCELLENT news because I am a huge Bagpipe nerd. I love all types of Bagpipes, from the famous Great Highland ones, to smallpipes, borderpipes, Swedish säckpipa, Säckpfeifen...
Here's hoping the sound is as loud as possible just for my delight and to annoy you :)
Here's hoping the sound is as loud as possible just for my delight and to annoy you :)
Or what about an 8 minute track featuring only bagpipes and James yodelling on top? That would be epic!
I fucking hate the sound of bagpipes. Here's hoping those sections are short and buried under JP guitar.
I fucking love bagpipes. I'm psyched. Screw all you haters! :loser:
NOMAC's were created at the end of Misunderstood.JP created them.
JP is The Killing Hand.
The Astonishing is The Killing Hand, Pt. 2 confirmed.
Then I really can't wait for the Bagpipes. I just wonder if it will be any other pipes other than the Great Highland ones. Arjen used Uilleann pipes on the latest Ayreon album, for example.
I just hope the bagpipes are, ya know, real bagpipes and not JR using the bagpipe sounds on his synth. :lol :lol
I hope they make something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjqdDMgpbDU) :neverusethis:I fucking love bagpipes. I'm psyched. Screw all you haters! :loser:
:tup :heart
I hope that's legit, because I really want to hear some different style influences, and guest musicians again.I just hope they are noticeable influences or nods. I remember last album they were talking about the part in Surrender to Reason where there aren't keyboards, just a four piece and I think it was JP who said they were going for a smokey Jazz club feel and I never quite got that vibe from that section.
They tried to whahibrido pickingant :whahibridopickingant:
can someone please explain what the hell is this?
It's whahíbrido pickingant. What else is there to explain?
Or, start here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45270.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45270.0) (from the OP, but it gets funny towards the bottom of page 3).
We took that and ran with it here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45294.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45294.0)
If you're not :rollin at some point reading those you're not human.
I hope that's legit, because I really want to hear some different style influences, and guest musicians again.
I can confirm that it is legit.
NOMAC's were created at the end of Misunderstood.JP created them.
JP is The Killing Hand.
The Astonishing is The Killing Hand, Pt. 2 confirmed.
Isn't it time to start to pop up the album reviews?
Isn't it time to start to pop up the album reviews?
Isn't it time to start to pop up the album reviews?
The record label do not want album reviews to be published yet. I don't think we'll see any until mid january (unless someone breaches the embargo).
Isn't it time to start to pop up the album reviews?
The record label do not want album reviews to be published yet. I don't think we'll see any until mid january (unless someone breaches the embargo).
Tango and bagpipes?!? Color me excited! :metal
B.Lee
Don't be shy, tell us all about it!
ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygoditsoogoood
I just hope the bagpipes are, ya know, real bagpipes and not JR using the bagpipe sounds on his synth. :lol :lol
I don't know why that would be the case. Jordan did mention a famous bagpipe player's name.
I just hope the bagpipes are, ya know, real bagpipes and not JR using the bagpipe sounds on his synth. :lol :lol
I just hope the bagpipes are, ya know, real bagpipes and not JR using the bagpipe sounds on his synth. :lol :lol
The album's going to start with Jonathan Davis from Korn playing them.
Sadly, I think many fans (not me) are going to complain about the lack of metal on this record...
Sadly, I think many fans (not me) are going to complain about the lack of metal on this record...
I just hope the bagpipes are, ya know, real bagpipes and not JR using the bagpipe sounds on his synth. :lol :lol
The album's going to start with Jonathan Davis from Korn playing them.
Thank you for dredging up one of the worst concert memories of my life. The dialog between me and my friend Shane went along the lines of (imagine in Beavis and Butthead voices if you like, and it is strangely fitting):
Me: ??? Uh...
Shane: What the...
Me: Does that dude have bagpipes?
Shane: Yeah.
Me: This sucks.
Shane: Yeah, yeah. This sucks.
Jonathan Davis: Are! You! Ready?!
Me: Arghghgh! Mosh pit!
...but this still sucks.
Shane: Yeah. This sucks more than suck itself.
Me: Alex, I'll take "things that suck for 1,000 please." The answer is, "this band."
Shane: Yeah, yeah. This sucks. Bring on Megadeth already!
Daryus looks like Nafaryus' brother. Names are similar as well. He has a very interesting smirk.LET ME INTRODUCE.....
MY BROTHERDaryus looks like Nafaryus' brother. Names are similar as well. He has a very interesting smirk.LET ME INTRODUCE.....
Daryus has been revealed. I think a new piece of the map has been added too.
2. What if Clock Guy is Marhys, father of Arhys and Gabriel? I know that will mean it will be 5 RRMs vs 3 GNEs, but it might be that.
2. What if Clock Guy is Marhys, father of Arhys and Gabriel? I know that will mean it will be 5 RRMs vs 3 GNEs, but it might be that.
By the look of the silhouette, with the size of the head compared to the body, it looks like Clock Guy is a child.
Daryus looks like Jaime Lannister.
I love bagpipes and I'd love to hear some Theremin too.
Sadly, I think many fans (not me) are going to complain about the lack of metal on this record...
Daryus looks like Jaime Lannister.
I had typed this in my earlier post, but decided to go with the Glock Guy comment instead!
So yeah, I agree.
2. What if Clock Guy is Marhys, father of Arhys and Gabriel? I know that will mean it will be 5 RRMs vs 3 GNEs, but it might be that.
By the look of the silhouette, with the size of the head compared to the body, it looks like Clock Guy is a child.
I can already imagine the number of times people are going to type 'Darius'.
Is this going to turn into an Edward and Julian fighting over Victoria type of situation?MY BROTHERDaryus looks like Nafaryus' brother. Names are similar as well. He has a very interesting smirk.LET ME INTRODUCE.....
That other mystery character (not the clock guy) looks like from assassin's creed
Speaking about bagpipes, there's a band I like a lot, NEMO, in that song they use bagpipes in a prog/metal context with a great result (starting at 18:21), you can also listen to the complete song which is really great, a nice 24 minutes epic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFgwLBCdL0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFgwLBCdL0E)
^More good news!
It's okay, I don't feel like having a new track would be such a good idea, the hype is high enough already.
I'd rather not know anything about ACT 2, better to save the mistery.
4000th reply!
Perhaps the band are playing more "organically" so the distinction between real music and that created by the NOMACs will be even more obvious.
Also, not too bothered about the lack of a 2nd track. I mean, there's only 5 weeks until release.ONLY five weeks? ;D
Also, not too bothered about the lack of a 2nd track. I mean, there's only 5 weeks until release.ONLY five weeks? ;D
As for there being less metal... Well, that's a bit of a bummer but still, it's not like all of Dream Theater albums were balls to the wall. Out of the last four, three were very metal, so they might as well offer something softer this time around.
Also, not too bothered about the lack of a 2nd track. I mean, there's only 5 weeks until release.ONLY five weeks? ;D
As for there being less metal... Well, that's a bit of a bummer but still, it's not like all of Dream Theater albums were balls to the wall. Out of the last four, three were very metal, so they might as well offer something softer this time around.
I am curious to see how "metal" everyone here feels that GOM is? I thought it sounded pretty metal, is the rest of the album just 180 from that direction and sound?
Had an interview with Jordan Rudess today for the Dutch Aardschok magazine. I won't give away any major spoilers, but a few bits of news. Firstly, I did ask Jordan if another song will be released prior to the official release. He didn't think so, but wasn't too sure about it. So don't keep your hopes up, but don't loose Faythe. ;-)
I also read a discussion on this forum about whether metal fans will love this album or not. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I do think this album is less metal and more about soothing melodies, which I absolutely love (but I like almost all the elements DT brings to the table and love metal in general as well). Besides that, Jordan asked me afterwards: "Do you think the metal fans will love it as well?" So that should give you another hint towards the direction of the album.
Jordan also said it was a conscious decision to play as organic as possible with the whole band and use real instruments, in case of Jordan instruments such as a Steinway piano and a Hammond B3 organ (instead of solely keyboard sounds and/or digital simulations).
That's it for now. There is so much more going on with this record. It really is a diverse and fresh effort.
Had an interview with Jordan Rudess today for the Dutch Aardschok magazine. I won't give away any major spoilers, but a few bits of news. Firstly, I did ask Jordan if another song will be released prior to the official release. He didn't think so, but wasn't too sure about it. So don't keep your hopes up, but don't loose Faythe. ;-)
I also read a discussion on this forum about whether metal fans will love this album or not. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I do think this album is less metal and more about soothing melodies, which I absolutely love (but I like almost all the elements DT brings to the table and love metal in general as well). Besides that, Jordan asked me afterwards: "Do you think the metal fans will love it as well?" So that should give you another hint towards the direction of the album.
Jordan also said it was a conscious decision to play as organic as possible with the whole band and use real instruments, in case of Jordan instruments such as a Steinway piano and a Hammond B3 organ (instead of solely keyboard sounds and/or digital simulations).
That's it for now. There is so much more going on with this record. It really is a diverse and fresh effort.
Well, as I have mentioned before, I have only heard 9 tracks from the album. And while I cannot really get into specifics yet, let me just shed a little light on where I think Jordan is coming from. If anyone is afraid the album will not be metal, don't be. It isn't like the band just went off on some tangent that is completely different than anything they have done. The album is unique, but it isn't like they went and wrote a Yanni album or something. Of the 7 more traditionally structured songs I heard, almost all had metal elements to them. There are definitely some heavy riffs here and there and other heavy elements. But I think where Jordan is likely coming from is that it isn't as overtly heavy, or as up front and in your face as, say, Train of Thought or Black Clouds. But don't worry--they didn't suddenly forsake being a progressive metal band.
I'm not the least bit worried about this not being heavy enough.
"TA comes out"
*Fans hate it*
*DT faces the darkest moments in its history*
*Fans resell tickets to pop/rap fans*
*DT becomes mainstream*
*DT14 is extremely commercial*
*Build me Up becomes a regular disco dance song*
*DT fans feel betrayed by DT and thus, follow other stuff*
Of course any DT album will have some metal on it, just as any DT album has pop, prog and melodic rock. It's just a matter of how much of each "ingredient" is there. Falling Into Infinity and a big portion of Scenes From A Memory are much more rooted in the "melodic rock" and "pop" section than stuff like Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds which are very metal-focused albums.
The Astonishing, being a rock opera written specifically with that in mind, is more concerned with telling a story. And it's a story about relationships and conflict. The music is the emotion. So, there's a very wide array of songs, and very wide array of styles both between songs and within the songs. But the thing is, there's 34 songs. Whereas shorter albums have maybe one or two pop ballads, this will have many more. But it will also have many more rock songs and prog songs and metal songs. But of course, the people who are "just" into the metal part of DT will frown at the melodic songs on this one. Just like the fans of Awake frowned at Falling Into Infinity when it came out.
But this is the first time in 10 years I've really felt that DT has -changed-. SC, BCSL, ADTOE and S/T all were quite different albums, but they were also very much just evolutions of the stuff that came before. Not the paradigm shifts you had between awake and fii to sfam to sdoit to tot to 8v.
:rollin
I somehow have a feeling that fans hating TA is almost impossible. I was not that excited for DT12 and ADTOE!
Of course any DT album will have some metal on it, just as any DT album has pop, prog and melodic rock. It's just a matter of how much of each "ingredient" is there. Falling Into Infinity and a big portion of Scenes From A Memory are much more rooted in the "melodic rock" and "pop" section than stuff like Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds which are very metal-focused albums.
The Astonishing, being a rock opera written specifically with that in mind, is more concerned with telling a story. And it's a story about relationships and conflict. The music is the emotion. So, there's a very wide array of songs, and very wide array of styles both between songs and within the songs. But the thing is, there's 34 songs. Whereas shorter albums have maybe one or two pop ballads, this will have many more. But it will also have many more rock songs and prog songs and metal songs. But of course, the people who are "just" into the metal part of DT will frown at the melodic songs on this one. Just like the fans of Awake frowned at Falling Into Infinity when it came out.
But this is the first time in 10 years I've really felt that DT has -changed-. SC, BCSL, ADTOE and S/T all were quite different albums, but they were also very much just evolutions of the stuff that came before. Not the paradigm shifts you had between awake and fii to sfam to sdoit to tot to 8v.
Now I'm even more hypped, and I still can't believe that I got tickets for that happening for which my wife agreed and be pleased to join me.
From DT's page:
"From the Emperor
The Crown Prince Daryus"
So I suppose Daryus is his son and not his brother? How does this work? Can a brother of a King or Emperor be a prince?
From DT's page:
"From the Emperor
The Crown Prince Daryus"
So I suppose Daryus is his son and not his brother? How does this work? Can a brother of a King or Emperor be a prince?
Empress Arabelle seems a little young to be Daryus' mother.
My brother Daryus is all the strength we neeeeeeed
Crushing the rebellion like woooooorms!
General of our Empire, A man who inspires!
Death is the gift he brings, the rebels crap their pants when he siiiiiings!
My brother Daryus is all the strength we neeeeeeed
Crushing the rebellion like woooooorms!
General of our Empire, A man who inspires!
Death is the gift he brings, the rebels crap their pants when he siiiiiings!
At first, I was like, :| Then I was still like, :| But then I thought about it for awhile to let it really sink in, and I was like, :|
My brother Daryus is all the strength we neeeeeeed
Crushing the rebellion like woooooorms!
General of our Empire, A man who inspires!
Death is the gift he brings, the rebels crap their pants when he siiiiiings!
At first, I was like, :| Then I was still like, :| But then I thought about it for awhile to let it really sink in, and I was like, :|
Of course any DT album will have some metal on it, just as any DT album has pop, prog and melodic rock. It's just a matter of how much of each "ingredient" is there. Falling Into Infinity and a big portion of Scenes From A Memory are much more rooted in the "melodic rock" and "pop" section than stuff like Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds which are very metal-focused albums.
The Astonishing, being a rock opera written specifically with that in mind, is more concerned with telling a story. And it's a story about relationships and conflict. The music is the emotion. So, there's a very wide array of songs, and very wide array of styles both between songs and within the songs. But the thing is, there's 34 songs. Whereas shorter albums have maybe one or two pop ballads, this will have many more. But it will also have many more rock songs and prog songs and metal songs. But of course, the people who are "just" into the metal part of DT will frown at the melodic songs on this one. Just like the fans of Awake frowned at Falling Into Infinity when it came out.
But this is the first time in 10 years I've really felt that DT has -changed-. SC, BCSL, ADTOE and S/T all were quite different albums, but they were also very much just evolutions of the stuff that came before. Not the paradigm shifts you had between awake and fii to sfam to sdoit to tot to 8v.
Now I'm even more hypped, and I still can't believe that I got tickets for that happening for which my wife agreed and be pleased to join me.
Gandl, I too may have my wife join me at the Cincy concert. Just curious, how much does your wife like DT? My wife likes some of the songs on the last two cds. Hopefully she will like the concert. However, she has been told that she is plan B. Plan A is one of my guy friends that really likes DT. If she goes I will have to take her to Ikea north of Cincinnati. :omg:
A higher res map would be nice... looking at it this morning, I thought it said 'Sandy Crack' there for a second..... Alas, it was 'Sandy Creek'... :laugh:
My brother Daryus is all the strength we neeeeeeed
Crushing the rebellion like woooooorms!
General of our Empire, A man who inspires!
Death is the gift he brings, the rebels crap their pants when he siiiiiings!
At first, I was like, :| Then I was still like, :| But then I thought about it for awhile to let it really sink in, and I was like, :|
Now that is some high quality moderating!
A child or a woman, and possibly an elder woman. Looks like very short hair, small petite neck and narrow shoulders.
Still waiting for confirmation of teeth :P
A child or a woman, and possibly an elder woman. Looks like very short hair, small petite neck and narrow shoulders.
Still waiting for confirmation of teeth :P
Clock Guy's neck is really strange and out of proportion, I think it's a braid around the left shoulder and Clock Guy is after all CLOCK GIRL, a.k.a. Faythe... Or it's Megamind. :biggrin:
2. What if Clock Guy is Marhys, father of Arhys and Gabriel? I know that will mean it will be 5 RRMs vs 3 GNEs, but it might be that.
obviously clock guy is a female, i can't believe people keep insisting the opposite.
check this picture
obviously clock guy is a female, i can't believe people keep insisting the opposite.
check this picture
I can't see clock guy / girl though. Or am I missing something? I see a little of the left side of the body and an arm, but that doesn't scream "female!" to me.
Edit: At a closer look, that could be a boob.
Could be a kid.
So what am I?My brother Daryus is all the strength we neeeeeeed
Crushing the rebellion like woooooorms!
General of our Empire, A man who inspires!
Death is the gift he brings, the rebels crap their pants when he siiiiiings!
At first, I was like, :| Then I was still like, :| But then I thought about it for awhile to let it really sink in, and I was like, :|
Now that is some high quality moderating!
The Steven Seagal of moderators.
Kinda bummed about the possibility of no new track before the release :/We're at just under five weeks to release, so it's not like it'll be 2-3 months like other DT releases. Plus we apparently have two videos to be released at some point, so who knows what'll happen.
Could be a kid.
I feel like Schrodinger's Mod.
Trapped in an OCTA-VARI-UM.... pt 2I feel like Schrodinger's Mod.
Except you're trapped in a NOMAC, not a box.
Any modern DT album with less metal is a good thing.Less metal and less compression, please!
I think it'll be fantastic if the music on TA is less in your face, quieter if you will. If we can get a comfortable mix of heavy and mellow tracks--say, somewhere between 8VM and DT12, leaning more towards 8VM--then I think we've found the perfect DT album.
Conclusion: 2 out of 2 female listeners like it.
Conclusion: 2 out of 2 female listeners like it.
...so, DT abandoned prog altogether :omg:
DT went full k-pop.
DT went full k-pop.
Marry Poopmas everybody, only about a month till The Astounding. It's ALMOST here.
Marry Poopmas everybody, only about a month till The Astounding. It's ALMOST here.
The Astounding, feat: Mario Gertrucci and James LaCAMEMBEEEERT.
Well, let me state it through the words of my partner (common law wife), who has had to endure my fandom of DT since before we even met 16 years go. And lately, a certain something has been spinning when we drive somewhere.
"I like this, it reminds me of Scenes From A Memory, because it's not so noisy and busy all the time"
My daughter suddenly asked me for the name of one of the tracks cause she wanted to find it on the Apple Music app (she's normally into whatever 9 year old girls are into).
Conclusion: 2 out of 2 female listeners like it.
Yeah, since you've revealed the track lengths in the past, when would you, if at all, could you do it this time around? Aside from the music itself, I'd say track lengths is what I'm most interested in at this point.
eh.
kinda like everyone and their mother can appreciate Stairway to Heaven?
eh.
kinda like everyone and their mother can appreciate Stairway to Heaven?
Is it an eh to counter my eh or are you agreeing with my eh?
With regards to tracklengths and so forth; I'm not going to reveal them yet. But I'll give you a hint as to what to expect.
The median track length is not far from the average track length.
Think The Wall.
Think Tommy.
Think Jesus Christ Superstar.
Think Disney Musicals.
Only as played by Dream Theater.
My daughter suddenly asked me for the name of one of the tracks cause she wanted to find it on the Apple Music app (she's normally into whatever 9 year old girls are into).Jokes on her. :lol
So loads of 10+ minutes long tracks then?
With regards to tracklengths and so forth; I'm not going to reveal them yet. But I'll give you a hint as to what to expect.
The median track length is not far from the average track length.
Think The Wall.
Think Tommy.
Think Jesus Christ Superstar.
Think Disney Musicals.
Only as played by Dream Theater.
So loads of 10+ minutes long tracks then?
Triple eh.eh.
kinda like everyone and their mother can appreciate Stairway to Heaven?
double eh
Triple eh.eh.
kinda like everyone and their mother can appreciate Stairway to Heaven?
double eh
With regards to tracklengths and so forth; I'm not going to reveal them yet. But I'll give you a hint as to what to expect.
The median track length is not far from the average track length.
Think The Wall.
Think Tommy.
Think Jesus Christ Superstar.
Think Disney Musicals.
Only as played by Dream Theater.
No.
I think the title track will be the only one over 10 minutes, if there is one at all.
No.
No.
Why is that? Embargo, or just enjoying the feeling of "power"? ;)
Well, was my "no" an answer to the first question or the second question? :P
Noxon being prior-to-album-release Noxon.
Triple eh.eh.
kinda like everyone and their mother can appreciate Stairway to Heaven?
double eh
I'm just glad everyone's picking at Stairway to Heaven and not Wish You Were Here. :biggrin:
With regards to tracklengths and so forth; I'm not going to reveal them yet. But I'll give you a hint as to what to expect.
The median track length is not far from the average track length.
Think The Wall.
Think Tommy.
Think Jesus Christ Superstar.
Think Disney Musicals.
Only as played by Dream Theater.
Can you say if even a single song is above 10 minutes?
There are instrumental sections - but it's much more vocal driven than ever before.
(https://i.imgur.com/rSSzE7K.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/rSSzE7K.png)
There are 33 pieces to that pie.
Colors and order bears no significance. The pie chart may not even be real.
The "NOMAC" tracks could also be considered instrumental songs, but they're basically just rhythmical "noise".
There are 33 pieces to that pie.
??? I counted 34.
Honest question (not making fun of you), but are you color blind per chance?
In a couple of minutes I will post the lengths for all the tracks. :metal
I wouldn't do that if I were you. There's a reason why I'm not precise in my communication. If it's not officially released, you can't release the information here as it could be considered a leak.
I wouldn't do that if I were you. There's a reason why I'm not precise in my communication. If it's not officially released, you can't release the information here as it could be considered a leak.
When do you think we can expect reviews to start coming up?
Realistically, we'll see the first few reviews coming up in a couple of weeks time. Maybe sooner than that.
Me; I haven't even written a single word yet. Do not have a clue on how to approach this. I don't have the time to do a 8000 word track for track review like I did in 2013 due to a different project I'm working on.
tbh i get the impression that he randomized the track order to make that pie chart :lol
Many times.
it's the safest track on the album
The Gift of Music makes sense to release as the first track - it's the safest track on the album, the one most like what they've done before whilst also showing off all the "new stuff" thats on the album (choir, brass, orchestra). But it's like the first chapter of a book. It's just a tease of what's to come. It (along with the overture) sets the mood and establishes the setting. Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
That's cool to hear but is it also so energy, power?
You do come off as very positive, but do you think the album has (or more appropriately, will have) a lasting impact?
Because, they all need to know. In this day and age, no one can wait for the album release, multiple listens to form an opinion. Opinions need to be heard without all the facts.
Because, they all need to know. In this day and age, no one can wait for the album release, multiple listens to form an opinion. Opinions need to be heard without all the facts.
You do come off as very positive, but do you think the album has (or more appropriately, will have) a lasting impact?
How could I possibly tell you that now? It's still "new DT!!" territory for me.
The Gift of Music makes sense to release as the first track - it's the safest track on the album, the one most like what they've done before whilst also showing off all the "new stuff" thats on the album (choir, brass, orchestra). But it's like the first chapter of a book. It's just a tease of what's to come. It (along with the overture) sets the mood and establishes the setting. Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
(https://i.imgur.com/iRLABNN.png?1)
The Gift of Music makes sense to release as the first track - it's the safest track on the album, the one most like what they've done before whilst also showing off all the "new stuff" thats on the album (choir, brass, orchestra). But it's like the first chapter of a book. It's just a tease of what's to come. It (along with the overture) sets the mood and establishes the setting. Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
The Gift of Music makes sense to release as the first track - it's the safest track on the album, the one most like what they've done before whilst also showing off all the "new stuff" thats on the album (choir, brass, orchestra). But it's like the first chapter of a book. It's just a tease of what's to come. It (along with the overture) sets the mood and establishes the setting. Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
(https://i.imgur.com/iRLABNN.png?1)
Is anybody else worried that this album turns out to be a big piece of cheese?
"Is anybody else worried that this album turns out to be a big piece of cheese?
I hear choirs and orchestra, I hear emotional and theatrical, vocally driven"
If this means 'Scenes From A Memory', 'disc 2 of 'Six Degrees', and 'Octavarium' all rolled into one.......count me in as one very excited and anticipatory rodent.
"Is anybody else worried that this album turns out to be a big piece of cheese?
I hear choirs and orchestra, I hear emotional and theatrical, vocally driven"
If this means 'Scenes From A Memory', 'disc 2 of 'Six Degrees', and 'Octavarium' all rolled into one.......count me in as one very excited and anticipatory rodent.
That'd work for me, too, in fact it's like the definition of a perfect album . But remember, Mr Noxon said its gonna be different.
It seems that "Ravenskill" is one of the longest songs on TA, which makes me happy!Why does it seem that? Did I miss something?
Just check the page before this (or maybe two)It seems that "Ravenskill" is one of the longest songs on TA, which makes me happy!Why does it seem that? Did I miss something?
Just check the page before this (or maybe two)It seems that "Ravenskill" is one of the longest songs on TA, which makes me happy!Why does it seem that? Did I miss something?
Colors and order bears no significance. The pie chart may not even be real.
I doubt that a pie chart with a perfect fit regarding the short Nomac tracks is not real info.
I doubt that a pie chart with a perfect fit regarding the short Nomac tracks is not real info.
We could be discussing something that is complete nonsense then. O.o
I doubt that a pie chart with a perfect fit regarding the short Nomac tracks is not real info.
We could be discussing something that is complete nonsense then. O.o
This very nicely encapsulates about 90% of this thread. :biggrin:
The Gift of Music makes sense to release as the first track - it's the safest track on the album, the one most like what they've done before whilst also showing off all the "new stuff" thats on the album (choir, brass, orchestra). But it's like the first chapter of a book. It's just a tease of what's to come. It (along with the overture) sets the mood and establishes the setting. Then, as we delve into the story itself, we also leave familiar DT territory. It's so emotional. So theatrical. So perfect. I can listen to all 2h10min of it in one sitting without feeling tired.
(https://i.imgur.com/iRLABNN.png?1)
You have way to much time on your hands.I have some time to help today considering I'm snowed in and can't go to work. I'm doing some other stuff I've needed to do the past few days, but I may be able to squeeze something in.
Instead of wasting it on that, why don't you help me with my new project and come answer some DT FAQ for me. I need this website I'm working on to be ready before the 14th. Gotta collect and gather a ton of DT information. Any help would be immensly useful to me.
You have way to much time on your hands.
Instead of wasting it on that, why don't you help me with my new project and come answer some DT FAQ for me. I need this website I'm working on to be ready before the 14th. Gotta collect and gather a ton of DT information. Any help would be immensly useful to me.
Are you a math or science teacher by chance?(https://i.imgur.com/iRLABNN.png?1)
If this is legit, we can approximate the full thing. The angle of "The Gift of Music" is ~11,19°, which equals 4:08, or 248 s. Therefore, approx. 22,16 s equal 1°.
Thus, the whole album would be 22,16*360=7977,6s=132,96min (more commonly 132:58, so 2 seconds short of 133 minutes) long, which is not exactly 2h10min, but fairly close. If you measure each angle, you can convert them into seconds by multiplying 22,16 with that angle. Divide that by 60, and you got your minutes. For example, "Astonishing" is 16,18° and would be 16,18*22,16=358,55s long, which is 358,55/60=5,98 minutes (which is 5:59 as timestamp, so just a second short of 6 minutes). I don't feel like measuring every angle right now though.
"A New Beginning" seems to be the longest song and would be 7,86 minutes (= 7:52) long.
"The Hovering Sojourn" would be the shortest song with just 30,36 s (= 0:30)
Edit: units
DT fans are thorough ;D Even the vaguest pieces of information will be analyzed until there is nothing left :rollin
My calculations based on the piechart...
*snip*
this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure
My calculations based on the piechart...does this match the standard deviation given by noxon? I'm too lazy to calculate...
(https://s17.postimg.org/c1pb1siqn/tracks.png)
this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure
Edit: the duration of act1 is obviously wrong
The stdev is 1:42.
Are you a math or science teacher by chance?
My calculations based on the piechart...
(https://s17.postimg.org/c1pb1siqn/tracks.png)
this is NOT a leak, it's my poor and quick aproximation, there are some errors , for sure
Edit: the duration of act1 is obviously wrong
Based on the STD Noxon revealed, I calculated the following: there will be about 24 songs in the following interval: 2:00 and 5:30. The remaining 10 songs will be longer or shorter than that interval. Also, there might be one song shorter than 30 seconds, as well as one song longer than 7:30 (the longest on the album)
This is only an approximation, but it shouldn't be very far from the truth
Pax, Act I still doesn't quite fit on a CD that way.
I suspect noxon messed around with the track order a bit.
i just really feel like they'd split the discs a little more evenly, but
C-C-C-Combo breaker>:(
C-C-C-Combo breaker
OT :
I no longer guarantee my song order is the real one (because of the damn max album length lol), but I do guarantee that the lengths are pretty accurate (i.e. the longest song is around 7:51, etc). I'm sure about that, at least
EDIT: hey, how comes 78 min is the max length for CD? I cannot find that information anywhere on the Internet
hey, how comes 78 min is the max length for CD? I cannot find that information anywhere on the Internet
If they wrote the album with the idea of making it double, then it must be a first in DT history.I think once they realized the story wouldn't fit within a single CD, then they knew the double CD would have to get the job done.
As far as I know, before DT12, they had never planned album lenghts, they just worked until they could do no more. On DT12 they made it (relatively) short on purpose, so I can assume that they aimed at making this huge double-cd opus. With this, we can get to the conclusion that Act I and II indeed represent CD1 and CD2 respectively (The presence of Overtures on each of them confirm this).
I have a question for you guys. How known is David Campbell? They said in the interview hes very big, but Im pretty sure they would have say that about anyone they worked with, and thats understandable, that being a promotional article. I havent head of him, but my knowledge of music is really thin outside the DT world. So really, is he a big name in the music industry?
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Alice Cooper – Hey Stoopid
Nice to see a 7 minutes track in the album. I didn't expect any longer track butThose were all estimations and guesses based on a chart that might not even be real. Nothing confirmed yet.
I have a question for you guys. How known is David Campbell? They said in the interview hes very big, but Im pretty sure they would have say that about anyone they worked with, and thats understandable, that being a promotional article. I havent head of him, but my knowledge of music is really thin outside the DT world. So really, is he a big name in the music industry?
*snip
I'm not sure if I should laugh or be slightly disturbed by this thread ;D
"Overall, his work appears on more than 425 gold or platinum albums. During his long recording career, albums on which he worked have received 50 Grammys, and his film work has earned two Oscars for music."
Wait... are these... earphones?
All of them, except for the Knight of the Zodiac, why, lol?
Is she wearing headphones? Interesting.
If they play Octavarium i think i would literally cry. But i think it's very unlikely, didn't they say they were playing nothing but The Astonishing?
I had a weird thought...
If TA is around 2 hours 10 minutes long (or 13) and average DT Evenings without the intermission clock at around 2:43-:2:50 hours, that leaves like at least 30-35 minutes of remaining time.
I've been trying to wonder about an encore, and I'm almost begging to have Octavarium as an encore.
Or have a two part encore where Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture are played, followed by 8VM.
I mean, that poll for favorite epic can't be in vain, Octavarium fucking won!
I had a weird thought...
If TA is around 2 hours 10 minutes long (or 13) and average DT Evenings without the intermission clock at around 2:43-:2:50 hours, that leaves like at least 30-35 minutes of remaining time.
I've been trying to wonder about an encore, and I'm almost begging to have Octavarium as an encore.
Or have a two part encore where Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture are played, followed by 8VM.
I mean, that poll for favorite epic can't be in vain, Octavarium fucking won!
You don't think they'll play 2 hours and 40 minute shows without an intermission right? The remaining half hour is mostly a break of some sort (likely inbetween Act 1 and 2).
I wonder if all the GNE characters are related. Arabelle is likely to be Nafaryus' wife (the Empress), Daryus looks like he could be his brother, and Faythe could be Nafaryus and Arabelle's daughter.
Well, they're all in family with each other, why'd you expect the daughter of the emperor to be black or hispanic?
Well, they're all in family with each other, why'd you expect the daughter of the emperor to be black or hispanic?
Because somewhere in 2+ hours of music, you would expect a plot twist that the mother had an affair with the gardener.
Not knowing the story (like a certain privileged member of this forum) I had no idea that the eight people who are characters in this story are all family. If that's true, then it makes perfect sense.Are we really going to have to have this conversation? :\
There is still an overriding, obvious, assumption here that I find...odd.
Please note that I didnt tried to suggest he isnt a big deal, just wanted to know if you knew him, as I consider many of this forum to a much more varied music knowledge than myself. Thats why I didnt bother to Wiki him, sometimes "from mouth to ear" (err my english is lagging ;)) is the best way to know a man status.It's certainly a better way than "ass to mouth."
She could be listening to audio books.Ruining the narrative here.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
on roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/de:
"Über zwei Stunden brand neue Dream Theatre Musik. Dieses Bundle beinhaltet ebenfalls einen digitalen Album Download in HD Qualität (FLAC File)"
something's wrong here
Also, brandneue is one word, not two. Somebody should get fired.on roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/de:
"Über zwei Stunden brand neue Dream Theatre Musik. Dieses Bundle beinhaltet ebenfalls einen digitalen Album Download in HD Qualität (FLAC File)"
something's wrong here
Yeah, Dream Theatre, spelled wrong. :P
She's listening to the forbidden music. What a rebel!As I said a number of pages back, I expect Faythe to be the love interest of either Gabriel or Ahrys.
I bet that Faythe is the villain. She looks more like a makeup stunt gone wrong than a person, while every other character revealed thus far looks somewhat natural. The pink hair completes her image, a representation of the superficiality Dream Theater is trying to argue against with this album.
Please note that I didnt tried to suggest he isnt a big deal, just wanted to know if you knew him, as I consider many of this forum to a much more varied music knowledge than myself. Thats why I didnt bother to Wiki him, sometimes "from mouth to ear" (err my english is lagging ;)) is the best way to know a man status.It's certainly a better way than "ass to mouth."
Please note that I didnt tried to suggest he isnt a big deal, just wanted to know if you knew him, as I consider many of this forum to a much more varied music knowledge than myself. Thats why I didnt bother to Wiki him, sometimes "from mouth to ear" (err my english is lagging ;)) is the best way to know a man status.It's certainly a better way than "ass to mouth."
Oh certainly :lol
You can tell English isnt my first language, Im trying really hard not to be clock guy number 2
I bet that Faythe is the villain. She looks more like a makeup stunt gone wrong than a person, while every other character revealed thus far looks somewhat natural. The pink hair completes her image, a representation of the superficiality Dream Theater is trying to argue against with this album.
The Looking Glass part II confirmed
That's OK, you're doing great.Please note that I didnt tried to suggest he isnt a big deal, just wanted to know if you knew him, as I consider many of this forum to a much more varied music knowledge than myself. Thats why I didnt bother to Wiki him, sometimes "from mouth to ear" (err my english is lagging ;)) is the best way to know a man status.It's certainly a better way than "ass to mouth."
Oh certainly :lol
You can tell English isnt my first language, Im trying really hard not to be clock guy number 2, but sometime there are slips :\
:lolThank God.
Can't hide the facts Hef! :lol
At least I don't talk like I type.
As I said a number of pages back, I expect Faythe to be the love interest of either Gabriel or Ahrys.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
I dunno if it has been discussed but I feel like these characters pictures would have been cooler and easier to connect with if they were mere hand drawings, these CGI's are so lifeless and mannequin-like
JP said one of the characters had no lines in the playbill. Any suggestions who that might be? The mysterious char8?
I forgot about that bit. I wonder if the lyric book will contain a couple of "stage directions" then. Otherwise what's the point of even having the wordless character?
I forgot about that bit. I wonder if the lyric book will contain a couple of "stage directions" then. Otherwise what's the point of even having the wordless character?
I forgot about that bit. I wonder if the lyric book will contain a couple of "stage directions" then. Otherwise what's the point of even having the wordless character?
John Myung confirmed as clock guy!!!
maybe the faythe stop to listen when garbriel sing! faythe leading the songbird from GNE. gabriel help to people that dont undrestand the true music. faythe listen to gabriel voice and joining to RRM. but she slayed from the GNE soldiers.whats ur idea?
DT12 is the exact opposite of what TA appears to be.I'm not so sure that will be borne out when the album drops. I think you are reaching for correlations that will not necessarily be there.
DT12 isn't a bad album, it's good, but I think the issue that many people have with it is that it's too simple, and they expected much more from Mike Mangini's second album, at least that was the case with me.
TA appears to be one huge complete work where everyone simply exceeded their own limits, so I can safely say that people who disliked DT12 will like TA, even though I have not heard anything but TGOM (Noxon can elaborate on this?)
Many people who disliked DT12 are hardcore SFAM fans.
I'm not so sure that will be borne out when the album drops. I think you are reaching for correlations that will not necessarily be there.
From their Instagram and Facebook:
(https://imgur.com/fQjaQRD.jpg)
A technical question to the royalists among you: if there's a crown prince, can there be a crown princess at the same time?
A technical question to the royalists among you: if there's a crown prince, can there be a crown princess at the same time?
Yes. Afaik, every brother/sister or daughter/son is prince/princess
A technical question to the royalists among you: if there's a crown prince, can there be a crown princess at the same time?
Yes. Afaik, every brother/sister or daughter/son is prince/princess
But the crown prince is the next in line to become king, afaik, and there can only be one.
A technical question to the royalists among you: if there's a crown prince, can there be a crown princess at the same time?
Yes. Afaik, every brother/sister or daughter/son is prince/princess
But the crown prince is the next in line to become king, afaik, and there can only be one.
A technical question to the royalists among you: if there's a crown prince, can there be a crown princess at the same time?
Yes. Afaik, every brother/sister or daughter/son is prince/princess
But the crown prince is the next in line to become king, afaik, and there can only be one.
I think you are correct, with the exception of a married couple. For instance, if the crown prince is married, his wife would be the crown princess, so you would have a crown prince by blood and a crown princess by marriage.
EDIT: Looks like what was posted while I was typing this agrees.
Hypnotherapist used a clock on SFAM. We have a clock guy! METROPOLIS PT. 3 CONFIRMED!!!
:dangerwillrobinson:
From their Instagram and Facebook:(https://www.shinyplastic.com/reviews/ipod-mini/ipod-mini-top.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/fQjaQRD.jpg)
stop
(https://www.shinyplastic.com/reviews/ipod-mini/ipod-mini-top.jpg)
Nice to know the iPod mini will make it's return in the future. ;)
Faythe is Victoria
Daryus is Julian
Gabriel is Edward
Green font is sarcastic. :lolFaythe is Victoria
Daryus is Julian
Gabriel is Edward
And here we go again…
I'm not so sure that will be borne out when the album drops. I think you are reaching for correlations that will not necessarily be there.
Well, this is the DTF after all, right? :lol
Faythe is Victoria
Daryus is Julian
Gabriel is Edward
Faythe is Victoria
Daryus is Julian
Gabriel is Edward
Without Faythe. Without Love. There can be no peace of mind.
https://www.shinyplastic.com/reviews/ipod-mini/ipod-mini-top.jpg
Nice to know the iPod mini will make it's return in the future. ;)
Well it is a dystopian future, after all.
Based on the expected diversity on this album.. do you think we will see JP introducing his use of the 8 strings guitars?
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
SO GOTH
GOYTHE
What makes me happy is hearing that Jordan used a real piano instead of a patch piano. They seemed to go the organic route with this album which makes me very happy.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
Well, I'm perfectly satisfied and don't even really understand what the supposed problem is.
What makes me happy is hearing that Jordan used a real piano instead of a patch piano. They seemed to go the organic route with this album which makes me very happy.
Well, I'm perfectly satisfied and don't even really understand what the supposed problem is.This.
If you find that lifeless, airbrushed, cut and paste mannequin hot...I don't know what to say. Ah well. If no one else sees it, it's not worth trying to point out any further.
In the end, the important thing is the music, which is sounding extremely promising so far. I'm really looking forward to this album.
I honestly almost wouldn't care even if they did the characters with MS Paint.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)
Alright, Faythe has finally been revealed… and she's with the Empire! ???
i just realized in the picture it's like the hood is floating above her head...and the hair is flowing outside of the hood forward, but it appears to fall straight down the sides of her head. It just looks awful. Who did the art for this again?
How hard would it have been to just get a photo to wear a costume and snap a few photos? It would've been 50 times better.
I'm baffled. Is there no quality control? Did they look at this and think, "Yes. This looks great. This is going in the booklet!" :facepalm:
What makes me happy is hearing that Jordan used a real piano instead of a patch piano. They seemed to go the organic route with this album which makes me very happy.
a patch piano usually sounds good, jordan's piano sounds awful, he should use pianoteq, simply the best
Yea,the CG is almost down there with Dance of Death.
Yea,the CG is almost down there with Dance of Death.
Really?
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Iron_Maiden-Dance_of_Death.jpg)
Dance of Death's cover was so bad that the creator distanced himself from it immediately. Comparing the portrait of Faythe to it screams hyperbole. The only real problem I see with Faythe's look is the visual disconnect with all the other characters (what with the pink hair, makeup and earphones) with the floating hood looking odd if you zoom in on it, but not having a huge effect on the whole picture. Not the best example of computer graphics, but also far from the worst.
Yeah but you're done for at least a few hours.
Yeah but you're done for at least a few hours.
Don't play the jealous bitch role. :lol
Maybe who cares? Just a thought.
Maybe who cares? Just a thought.
Yeah but you're done for at least a few hours.
Don't play the jealous bitch role. :lol
:lol
Meow!
Maybe who cares? Just a thought.
Dance of Death's cover was so bad that the creator distanced himself from it immediately.
I'm not so sure that will be borne out when the album drops. I think you are reaching for correlations that will not necessarily be there.
Well, this is the DTF after all, right? :lol
I like that DTF is so predictable that it took you just 27 posts to figure us out. :lol
Well, I was just joking. Please, care.Maybe who cares? Just a thought.
Hey, now. Implying people shouldn't care isn't fair. This is a fan forum. The band is creating content for us to enjoy, consume, and discuss. You not caring doesn't mean that other people shouldn't.
Well, I was just joking. Please, care.Maybe who cares? Just a thought.
Hey, now. Implying people shouldn't care isn't fair. This is a fan forum. The band is creating content for us to enjoy, consume, and discuss. You not caring doesn't mean that other people shouldn't.
Well that escalated quickly...and messily.
(https://www.dreamtheater.net/sites/g/files/g2000003226/f/201512/28122015_large.jpg)She's a gothic Princess Bubblegum!
I need a towel.
Fortunately, I always carry one with me.
You sass that hoopy hefdaddy42? Now there's a frood who knows where his towel is!
*hopes someone gets this*
Finally kept up with the whole thread. I took a 3 day vacation and I miss about 6 pages worth. Oh yeah somebody already rated the album and posted the length for each song as well.
*snip*
Finally kept up with the whole thread. I took a 3 day vacation and I miss about 6 pages worth. Oh yeah somebody already rated the album and posted the length for each song as well.
*snip*
1. That information is not authorized. There have been clear warnings in this thread about posting unauthorized links to leaked information. Please don't do it again.
2. Those track times are incorrect (although some are close), so I'm not sure whoever posted that has in fact even heard the new album.
It looks like their source was noxon's pie chart...
Finally kept up with the whole thread. I took a 3 day vacation and I miss about 6 pages worth. Oh yeah somebody already rated the album and posted the length for each song as well.
*snip*
1. That information is not authorized. There have been clear warnings in this thread about posting unauthorized links to leaked information. Please don't do it again.
2. Those track times are incorrect (although some are close), so I'm not sure whoever posted that has in fact even heard the new album.
It looks like their source was noxon's pie chart, but he didn't take into account that the pieces could've been scrambled.
Apologies, I'm still trying to learn all the rules of the forum. I'll be sure not to do it again.
What lightbug saidIt looks like their source was noxon's pie chart...
Why do you think that?
Apologies, I'm still trying to learn all the rules of the forum. I'll be sure not to do it again.
Apologies, I'm still trying to learn all the rules of the forum. I'll be sure not to do it again.
Not so much the laughing man now, are you? :lol
I LOVE IRONY!
:jamaritard:
Apologies, I'm still trying to learn all the rules of the forum. I'll be sure not to do it again.
Not so much the laughing man now, are you? :lol
I LOVE IRONY!
:jamaritard:
Honestly that made me chuckle, thanks for bringing me back lol.
My gosh, people would complain even if they took legit photos to use for the characters. Maybe the back half of Faythe's hair is in a bun, pushing the hood up, giving the illusion that the laws of thermodynamics are being broken.
Only a month to go!!!! :corn
I empathize with that. I usually do that at work.
My gosh, people would complain even if they took legit photos to use for the characters. Maybe the back half of Faythe's hair is in a bun, pushing the hood up, giving the illusion that the laws of thermodynamics are being broken. Not sure why anyone would care? If they wanted the characters to look more "real" they wouldn't be drawn.
If someone finds the picture bad, that's fine. But to start accusing laziness and sloppiness is just plain silly.
And yes, I find her to be HAWT!!! I was expecting her to be a kid. Maybe the round headed clock figure will be instead. BTW I'm sure I'm still too old for Faythe :-/
To go where?
If someone finds the picture bad, that's fine. But to start accusing laziness and sloppiness is just plain silly.
To go where?
To leave your country, to go and become a monk and disapear from the internet for 30 days till The Astounding drops :corn
My gosh, people would complain even if they took legit photos to use for the characters. Maybe the back half of Faythe's hair is in a bun, pushing the hood up, giving the illusion that the laws of *physics* are being broken. Not sure why anyone would care? If they wanted the characters to look more "real" they wouldn't be drawn.
If someone finds the picture bad, that's fine. But to start accusing laziness and sloppiness is just plain silly.
And yes, I find her to be HAWT!!! I was expecting her to be a kid. Maybe the round headed clock figure will be instead. BTW I'm sure I'm still too old for Faythe :-/
I empathize with that. I usually do that at work.
Indeed. Best to do your business while on the company dime. Gives you that much more of your personal time to do more important things. You just gotta find the floor/department that has the cleanest facilities.
*snip*
To go where?
To leave your country, to go and become a monk and disapear from the internet for 30 days till The Astounding drops :corn
To go where?
To leave your country, to go and become a monk and disapear from the internet for 30 days till The Astounding drops :corn
I would rather be frozen until it drops, like Cartman.
You sass that hoopy hefdaddy42? Now there's a frood who knows where his towel is!*Gets this*
*hopes someone gets this*
My gosh, people would complain even if they took legit photos to use for the characters. Maybe the back half of Faythe's hair is in a bun, pushing the hood up, giving the illusion that the laws of *physics* are being broken. Not sure why anyone would care? If they wanted the characters to look more "real" they wouldn't be drawn.
If someone finds the picture bad, that's fine. But to start accusing laziness and sloppiness is just plain silly.
And yes, I find her to be HAWT!!! I was expecting her to be a kid. Maybe the round headed clock figure will be instead. BTW I'm sure I'm still too old for Faythe :-/
Fixed that for you :) The laws of Thermodynamics (a branch of physics) are related to energy and energy flow (it is actually more an observation than a law) where the first law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but only transformed into other forms. The second law (usually conflated with disorder) is the observation that energy uhindered tends to spread; this is professor emeritus and physicist Frank Lambert's modern formulation of the second law.
From a thermodynamic standpoint, it looks like Faythe will be an energetic part of the story ;)
What are the odds of Clock Guy being revealed at the stroke of midnight (ET), at the turn of the year?
It looks like their source was noxon's pie chart...
Why do you think that?
(https://i.imgur.com/rSSzE7K.png)
My gosh, people would complain even if they took legit photos to use for the characters. Maybe the back half of Faythe's hair is in a bun, pushing the hood up, giving the illusion that the laws of *physics* are being broken. Not sure why anyone would care? If they wanted the characters to look more "real" they wouldn't be drawn.
If someone finds the picture bad, that's fine. But to start accusing laziness and sloppiness is just plain silly.
And yes, I find her to be HAWT!!! I was expecting her to be a kid. Maybe the round headed clock figure will be instead. BTW I'm sure I'm still too old for Faythe :-/
Fixed that for you :) The laws of Thermodynamics (a branch of physics) are related to energy and energy flow (it is actually more an observation than a law) where the first law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but only transformed into other forms. The second law (usually conflated with disorder) is the observation that energy uhindered tends to spread; this is professor emeritus and physicist Frank Lambert's modern formulation of the second law.
From a thermodynamic standpoint, it looks like Faythe will be an energetic part of the story ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/rSSzE7K.png)
I figured out the pie chart. This is simply the way that Noxon slice his holiday pie. The thin slices are for kids and the larger pieces are for the overweight relatives.
The "announcement emails" seem to have completely stopped. Weird. The whole hoopla about joining a side, but after a few emails it seems they abandoned it.
How many Empire mails did we get? I can only remember one, or was it two?
The glowy buttons are patience tests. If you didn't press them, you get in to the pre-release streaming. If you pressed... tough ;)
(this may not be true)
The glowy buttons are patience tests. If you didn't press them, you get in to the pre-release streaming. If you pressed... tough ;)
(this may not be true)
You must be psychic.
Maybe they threw Hugh a bone and let him do the characters...
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.This. I sometimes just don't understand people...
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.This. I sometimes just don't understand people...
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.This. I sometimes just don't understand people...
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
I just don't understand!..
You must be psychic.
DREAM LEAKERS
Last night I listened to The Astonishing. It was beautiful. Its songs were full of rich melodies.
Then I woke up.
:lolYou must be psychic.
DREAM LEAKERS
You should get that checked out.
Last night I listened to The Astonishing. It was beautiful. Its songs were full of rich melodies.
Then I woke up.
That's weird; I had the same dream. The only difference was that The Astonishing was actually JLB's new solo album.
Last night I listened to The Astonishing. It was beautiful. Its songs were full of rich melodies.
Then I woke up.
That's weird; I had the same dream. The only difference was that The Astonishing was actually JLB's new solo album.
You must be psychic.
DREAM LEAKERS
You should get that checked out.
Reported for listening to a fake leak of the album while dreaming.
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.This. I sometimes just don't understand people...
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
I just don't understand!..
Hey, now wait a minute, man!
So, you saw Dream Theater in a theater in your dream...
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.Not everyone is into Game of Thrones-y fantasy stuff.
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
Jeez. Do you even remember the videos they used for SFAM? All respect to Kasper for putting them together, but they weren't exactly shot with much of a budget.
Dream Theater delivers their most elaborate album ever with well thought out artwork and whatnot.Not everyone is into Game of Thrones-y fantasy stuff.
Fans still complain that it's not good enough...
Jeez. Do you even remember the videos they used for SFAM? All respect to Kasper for putting them together, but they weren't exactly shot with much of a budget.
Just taken the plunge into 2016 here, so HAPPY "THE ASTONISHING" RELEASE MONTH! :2metal:
Can't wait for the Astounding!!!!! 29 days left?lolz
Can't wait for the Astounding!!!!! 29 days left?lolz
We're in the year and the month that will bring us The Astonishing, F@gk yeah!!!!!! :metal
Happy Astonishing Year, everyone!
B.Lee
okay so is there legit more music on the first disc than you can actually fit on once CD ???
Someone on Reddit named 'nafaryus' who has the album has said this:
"Let's just say, I've never heard a DT album like it."
"I think this will be the most divisive album by Dream Theater ever. And that is saying a lot, by virtue of all albums being divisive to a certain extent. This one will be worse than falling into infinity when it comes to fan reaction. The people loving the all out metal of the last decade will be very disappointed. Those who love the long instrumental sections will be disappointed. Basically, what I'm saying is; if you love FII and SFAM, you'll love this album."
Someone on Reddit named 'nafaryus' who has the album has said this:
"Let's just say, I've never heard a DT album like it."
"I think this will be the most divisive album by Dream Theater ever. And that is saying a lot, by virtue of all albums being divisive to a certain extent. This one will be worse than falling into infinity when it comes to fan reaction. The people loving the all out metal of the last decade will be very disappointed. Those who love the long instrumental sections will be disappointed. Basically, what I'm saying is; if you love FII and SFAM, you'll love this album."
I also read this, pretty funny though how he says people who love the long instrumental sections will be disappointed, followed by "if you love SFAM, you'll love this album".
Anything that is not verifiable information from a credible and reputable source is to be considered a leak.
okay so is there legit more music on the first disc than you can actually fit on once CD ???
No, I mean on RYM (somebody has already rated the album there as well, which is interesting), where Laughing_man92 linked to, not Pax or Lightbug's estimates, which were still pretty close. RYM has the total Disc 1 length at just below 80 mins. 79:49 to be exact.
I hope this doesn't count as leaked info. Could someone tell me if I'm out of line by referencing this?
Also, I found those track lengths, and guess what? All my estimates were around 5-6 seconds longer than those. And guess what again? He didn't say TGoM lasts 4:08 (what we thought was a fact), but 4:00. That explains the shift
However, looks like my measurement was very precise (there was just a systematic error that made my results shift a bit to the longer lengths)
In your face, non-believers :p
Well I think my sources are credible, but that's not for me to decide. Do you think I'm breaking the rules?
A random guy on the Reddit credible? I dunno, but it's not up to me to decide whether that info is against the rules - not my place to.
However, looks like my measurement was very precise (there was just a systematic error that made my results shift a bit to the longer lengths)
Not do degrade the mods over there perse, but they were selected pretty randomly, I remember with the whole TGOM situation there was one mod who actually encouraged redditors to PM him for the leaked song.A random guy on the Reddit credible? I dunno, but it's not up to me to decide whether that info is against the rules - not my place to.
He has a review copy of the album so I'd assume he is credible and that subforum has similar rules on leaks to DTF:
"Do NOT post any leaked material until a week after the album has been released."
So I don't know, the mods there would've taken down the thread and banned the guy if rules were being breached.
I'm taking it down for the time being so we can review it. Problem with anonymous reddit users is that it is sometimes hard to know if the material has been gotten legitimately or not and hence whether the source is credible. Best thing to do if you are unsure if it breaks the rules or not is just ask one of the team.
Not do degrade the mods over there perse, but they were selected pretty randomly, I remember with the whole TGOM situation there was one mod who actually encouraged redditors to PM him for the leaked song.
What was the whole TGOM situation? I thought Rolling Stone premiered it and it was all official?
exactly, I meant my measurement was precise, but not accurate (due to the shift) :D
However, looks like my measurement was very precise (there was just a systematic error that made my results shift a bit to the longer lengths)
Precise doesn't necessarily mean accurate...which based on your "Chemist" text you should know very well! :biggrin:
I'm taking it down for the time being so we can review it. Problem with anonymous reddit users is that it is sometimes hard to know if the material has been gotten legitimately or not and hence whether the source is credible. Best thing to do if you are unsure if it breaks the rules or not is just ask one of the team.
What was the whole TGOM situation? I thought Rolling Stone premiered it and it was all official?
It leaked a few hours before that happened.
What was the whole TGOM situation? I thought Rolling Stone premiered it and it was all official?
It leaked a few hours before that happened.
How did I miss this?!
Random thought: I am NOT referring to anyone specifically, but I find that forum posters are sometimes like reporters; they want the scoop of being the first one to report/post it, so it's more fun and satisfying, I suppose, to post first and ask questions later. Asking a mod means someone else, like that mod, could post it first and then they have been scooped. :lol :lol
All this leak stuff is so stupid. The album's done, they should sell it. The longer the wait, 28 more days in this case, the more chance of leaks. Whatever, it's just a crazy business model (talking about music, not DT in particular).
Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I know but I still think it's a bad business model given the situation with downloading. I've pre-ordered the CD, of course, if I got an email saying for an extra $10 I could download it now I would be running to get my credit card. Before downloading it made sense. Now it's just bad business. Then many people who buy it also download it first, as an example if it were to leak on 1/24 I would download it and still get my pre-order on 1/29 so I would still buy it. But then bands wonder why so many download it when a good number of the downloads are also buyers. Craziness. But it's a max of 28 days now.All this leak stuff is so stupid. The album's done, they should sell it. The longer the wait, 28 more days in this case, the more chance of leaks. Whatever, it's just a crazy business model (talking about music, not DT in particular).
This happens because bands want to hype the album up for a few months to get more attention and sales as well as having to manufacture physical copies. It makes sense, it's just hard to wait through. :lol
It would be nice if albums were just released when it's finished but that doesn't and won't really happen for reasonably big bands.
Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I think you might be overreacting.
Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I think you might be overreacting.
I know but I still think it's a bad business model given the situation with downloading. I've pre-ordered the CD, of course, if I got an email saying for an extra $10 I could download it now I would be running to get my credit card. Before downloading it made sense. Now it's just bad business. Then many people who buy it also download it first, as an example if it were to leak on 1/24 I would download it and still get my pre-order on 1/29 so I would still buy it. But then bands wonder why so many download it when a good number of the downloads are also buyers. Craziness. But it's a max of 28 days now.
I never said it was "stupid", or that it couldn't be relateable.Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I think you might be overreacting.
I don't think he did. He makes a valid point regarding people nitpicking over trivial details. I just had a similar discussion with someone regarding Tolkien. They just found it "stupid" and "ridiculous" to write a story with dragons and wizards and whatnot. What I told him is that he's completely missing the point if that's all he sees when he reads Tolkien's books. It's not meant to be superficial. Using dragons (GoT or The Hobbit) or spaceships (Star Wars) is not the point. It just relates the story to a different group using different mediums. It gives it a different appeal.
I never said it was "stupid", or that it couldn't be relateable.Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I think you might be overreacting.
I don't think he did. He makes a valid point regarding people nitpicking over trivial details. I just had a similar discussion with someone regarding Tolkien. They just found it "stupid" and "ridiculous" to write a story with dragons and wizards and whatnot. What I told him is that he's completely missing the point if that's all he sees when he reads Tolkien's books. It's not meant to be superficial. Using dragons (GoT or The Hobbit) or spaceships (Star Wars) is not the point. It just relates the story to a different group using different mediums. It gives it a different appeal.
I don't personally enjoy things set in that sort of fantasy setting (and yes, even if The Astonishing is set in the future, it's clearly going for a certain fantasy style), and so I'm not as excited about that aspect of the album. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't enjoy it. I don't think "people have different tastes in things" should be a controversial thing to say.
I'm still going to listen to the album, and musically TGOM sounds promising. I'm just not interested in any of the story or setting stuff so far. That doesn't mean I think it's stupid or that other people shouldn't like it.
What was the whole TGOM situation? I thought Rolling Stone premiered it and it was all official?
It leaked a few hours before that happened.
How did I miss this?!
You just missed another leak, too.
Fair enough. I was replying more to the general notion of people being too critical about this or that relating to the upcoming album. I think if some people aren't onboard with the initial idea, they're probably more likely to me more critical of what follows.I never said it was "stupid", or that it couldn't be relateable.Why is the setting of the story important anyhow? It's just dressing. The story of Star Wars isn't about spaceships. It's about the hero's journey. It's about friendship (and ultimately, family). The same is true about Game of Thrones - ultimately, if you "undress" it, it's a soap opera.
The dressing of the setting is just a way to set up the story. And I don't get it why people need to have everything be relatable. "I can't enjoy a story that's not in my world, because I can't relate to it". Sure you can. Because ultimately, it's a story about human behavior. Even movies with speaking animals is about human behavior.
I mean, I'm not a religious person, and I particularly do not believe in reincarnation. Does that hinder me from enjoying the story of SFAM? Not at all! Because the story is ultimately a basic "whodunnit" at its core.
The Astonishing is a story about people. It's setting is a dystopian future (so how you get "game of thrones" from that - considering game of thrones is set in a medieval-like setting (High fantasy) I'm not sure). To ease your way into the setting, the story comes with illustrations of the people in the story and a map, as well as pictures of some key locations in the story. And it's the most elaborate I've ever seen DT be. But I completely understand why. To experience this album is not just to experience the music. The story is so important that you need to experience it like a play. In fact, I can with absolute certainty say that if the story is a problem for you, you will have problem with the music as well, because they're so strongly connected.
This points towards a more general problem I've always seen from DT fans. REGARDLESS of what DT does, a great portion of the fans will hate it with a passion, a great portion will love it with all their heart, and the rest are just "it's okay"... It even happened with SFAM. Heck, it even happened with IAW. It's become so predictable that I can tell instantly how the fanbase will react to any song. I think it's insane, I don't see this level of scrutiny in other fanbases.
I think you might be overreacting.
I don't think he did. He makes a valid point regarding people nitpicking over trivial details. I just had a similar discussion with someone regarding Tolkien. They just found it "stupid" and "ridiculous" to write a story with dragons and wizards and whatnot. What I told him is that he's completely missing the point if that's all he sees when he reads Tolkien's books. It's not meant to be superficial. Using dragons (GoT or The Hobbit) or spaceships (Star Wars) is not the point. It just relates the story to a different group using different mediums. It gives it a different appeal.
I don't personally enjoy things set in that sort of fantasy setting (and yes, even if The Astonishing is set in the future, it's clearly going for a certain fantasy style), and so I'm not as excited about that aspect of the album. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't enjoy it. I don't think "people have different tastes in things" should be a controversial thing to say.
I'm still going to listen to the album, and musically TGOM sounds promising. I'm just not interested in any of the story or setting stuff so far. That doesn't mean I think it's stupid or that other people shouldn't like it.
I never said that you said it was stupid. I was relating another story to this situation.
Secondly, you said that "not everyone is into Game of Thrones-y stuff." No one before that implied that it had to be fantasy or the work Kasper did. You made that leap. Unless I missed something before that, which I'm pretty sure I didn't.
I agree. This model just supports piracy sites who make money from ads as people visit them. Fans who already preordered the album will go to piracy sites as soon as it leaks, because they want to hear it as soon as possible. By doing so, they generate traffic and ad money for pirates, keeping them afloat financially.
I personally always listen to the leaks, especially when I have pre-ordered.
Random thought: I am NOT referring to anyone specifically, but I find that forum posters are sometimes like reporters; they want the scoop of being the first one to report/post it, so it's more fun and satisfying, I suppose, to post first and ask questions later. Asking a mod means someone else, like that mod, could post it first and then they have been scooped. :lol :lol
Well, I don't care about posting info first, I just wanted to start some relevant discussion on the album since TGoM came out about a month ago with the Rolling Stone interview and very little has come since regarding solid info on album content. I assumed the guy was credible considering that he had the album for reviewing purposes and even held back on some info when he said "I can't really speak about it at length. Embargo and all that.". I didn't think to ask until I referenced the website, but it turns out that the reddit info was the problem. I'd be perfectly fine with not being the first one to communicate info, I'm not that self-centred.
ok so then why the hell are you going to divide your double album so poorly
i haven't seen a split this bad since The Ocean's Precambrian :lol
I haven't heard much of Savatage before - but I ran quickly through a couple of the tracks they've had on their concept albums.
I wouldn't say "inspired by" as I don't know if that's the case. But there's definitively a stylistic similarity - I don't think you'll be disappointed by the DT one if you really like the Savatage concept albums. of course, DT doesn't do the multilayered vocal tracking as they don't have that type of vocal ability in the band I'm afraid, but the orchestration, and heavy reliance on piano - yeah, totally can see a semblance there.
I haven't heard much of Savatage before - but I ran quickly through a couple of the tracks they've had on their concept albums.
I wouldn't say "inspired by" as I don't know if that's the case. But there's definitively a stylistic similarity - I don't think you'll be disappointed by the DT one if you really like the Savatage concept albums. of course, DT doesn't do the multilayered vocal tracking as they don't have that type of vocal ability in the band I'm afraid, but the orchestration, and heavy reliance on piano - yeah, totally can see a semblance there.
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
Well, now I'm really disappointed. That's like their four worst album just kidding
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
Well, now I'm really disappointed. That's like their four worst album just kidding
what !?!?
ok so then why the hell are you going to divide your double album so poorly
i haven't seen a split this bad since The Ocean's Precambrian :lol
That is why I said, " I am NOT referring to anyone specifically..." I was speaking in general terms. :coolio
Cool? :hat
ok so then why the hell are you going to divide your double album so poorly
i haven't seen a split this bad since The Ocean's Precambrian :lol
Has anyone else looked at the clouds during the TGOM video?
That is why I said, " I am NOT referring to anyone specifically..." I was speaking in general terms. :coolio
Cool? :hat
It's just that the general terms includes me and I was just defending my choice. But it's cool. :hatok so then why the hell are you going to divide your double album so poorly
i haven't seen a split this bad since The Ocean's Precambrian :lol
Porcupine Tree's The Incident is quite bad with this, although it does seem to have its reasons considering it isn't even double length and the second disk is more like an extra EP.
That is why I said, " I am NOT referring to anyone specifically..." I was speaking in general terms. :coolio
Cool? :hat
It's just that the general terms includes me and I was just defending my choice. But it's cool. :hatok so then why the hell are you going to divide your double album so poorly
i haven't seen a split this bad since The Ocean's Precambrian :lol
Porcupine Tree's The Incident is quite bad with this, although it does seem to have its reasons considering it isn't even double length and the second disk is more like an extra EP.
Say what? The four songs on the second disk was not part of the song cycle. Come on man.
Plot twist: The character with no lines is Gabriel.
So you'd rather not have 4 extra songs separate from the song cycle because it's an unbalanced double disk? That's just plain nuts.
Will be going to have crazy instrumentals like the dance of eternity?
Quite bad insinuateshape that you think it's wrong. Just seems like an odd comment when those song are just extra that is not part of the first disk. The CD cost nothing extra for the 4 songs so I'd assume most would be happy with that. Not complaining.
Will be going to have crazy instrumentals like the dance of eternity?
Indeed, Petrucci confirmed that the following characters will have a "role":
- Gabriel
- Faythe
- Arabelle
- Lord Nafaryus
- Arhys
So that leaves Clock Person, the Empress and Daryus. One of these three won't have a singing part.
There was a god among us
Who's seen the writing on the wall
He is the revolution
He'll be the one to save us all
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
So he doesn't in TGOM?
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
So he doesn't in TGOM?
TGOM only has one character, excluding narration.
I love fantasy. I'm also pretty convinced that I'll really dislike this album overall. Everything I've read about this so far is soooo cringey.
I'll still give it a chance of course, but all of this silliness might make it more difficult for me to enjoy it.
I wonder what would've happened if the same type of PR-scheme was used for SFAM.
Picture of "The Hypnotherapist" released: "More like the rapist, amiright?" - "Well, it's in his title, innit?".
Picture of "Victoria" released: "Wow, she looks... wait, is that a 1920s hairstyle? Wtf is this, some kind of mafia/prohibition story? I don't get it."
Picture of "Edward" released: "Huh, whats up with the suit? He looks like straight out of the godfather. This IS a mafia story. DT has lost it. I mean, I know MP is a movie buff, but ripping of the godfather? I don't even like mafia movies!"
Location revealed - Echo's Hill: "What does that even mean?? It's like they have no knowledge of stuff that's not sound related. "echo". Geddit.
I can't put my finger on how Petrucci said that "Gabriel" will sound like a 25 yo LaBrie. I mean, if I he can pull that off, wow...
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.After a few listens I got that 'epic' feeling with the choir section of TGOM, and I think there will be lots of moments that I would consider epic from the things I've read. Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
Fair enough. I was replying more to the general notion of people being too critical about this or that relating to the upcoming album. I think if some people aren't onboard with the initial idea, they're probably more likely to me more critical of what follows.
What was the whole TGOM situation? I thought Rolling Stone premiered it and it was all official?
It leaked a few hours before that happened.
How did I miss this?!
You just missed another leak, too.
Should that be in green font?
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
Who's the best in your opinion? Not arguing, I just want to expand my musical library.My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh really? :biggrin: :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/cnGl436.jpg)
Faythe Labrie :rollin
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.After a few listens I got that 'epic' feeling with the choir section of TGOM, and I think there will be lots of moments that I would consider epic from the things I've read. Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh really? :biggrin: :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/cnGl436.jpg)
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
I can't think of another band that writes the epic building payoffs that I mentioned above. I'm familiar with Symphony X, Rush, etc, but I'm struggling to think of anything from those bands that's anywhere near what DT do towards the end of an album.
I can't think of another band that writes the epic building payoffs that I mentioned above. I'm familiar with Symphony X, Rush, etc, but I'm struggling to think of anything from those bands that's anywhere near what DT do towards the end of an album.
I thought Call of Ktulu was a pretty epic way to end ride the lightning. Also there was Orion/damage inc as the end to mop
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh really? :biggrin: :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/cnGl436.jpg)
:lol :lol :lol
Evangebrie!!
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.After a few listens I got that 'epic' feeling with the choir section of TGOM, and I think there will be lots of moments that I would consider epic from the things I've read. Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
I can't think of another band that writes the epic building payoffs that I mentioned above. I'm familiar with Symphony X, Rush, etc, but I'm struggling to think of anything from those bands that's anywhere near what DT do towards the end of an album.
Noxon, how do you feel about the individual songs? Do you think many songs will rank very high among fans (and for you)? Or do you think the album works better as a whole?
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.After a few listens I got that 'epic' feeling with the choir section of TGOM, and I think there will be lots of moments that I would consider epic from the things I've read. Don't agree that DT are the absolute best at this but they sure are up there.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
I can't think of another band that writes the epic building payoffs that I mentioned above. I'm familiar with Symphony X, Rush, etc, but I'm struggling to think of anything from those bands that's anywhere near what DT do towards the end of an album.
I wonder what would've happened if the same type of PR-scheme was used for SFAM.
Picture of "The Hypnotherapist" released: "More like the rapist, amiright?" - "Well, it's in his title, innit?".
Picture of "Victoria" released: "Wow, she looks... wait, is that a 1920s hairstyle? Wtf is this, some kind of mafia/prohibition story? I don't get it."
Picture of "Edward" released: "Huh, whats up with the suit? He looks like straight out of the godfather. This IS a mafia story. DT has lost it. I mean, I know MP is a movie buff, but ripping of the godfather? I don't even like mafia movies!"
Location revealed - Echo's Hill: "What does that even mean?? It's like they have no knowledge of stuff that's not sound related. "echo". Geddit.
Noxon, how do you feel about the individual songs? Do you think many songs will rank very high among fans (and for you)? Or do you think the album works better as a whole?
I've seen mentioned Iced Earth in the comparison list, I'd suggest to check out A Question of Heaven and Come What May for songs that build up to a very strong and intense ending.YES, great songs.
I don't see why you think you won't get tension buildup? It's a complete story. Each song builds on the events that occured in the songs preceding, so even if they're seperate songs, it's still retains the emotions from the previous.If I just asked you if there will be those buildups, you probably wouldn't answer, so I tried this way :p
I've seen mentioned Iced Earth in the comparison list, I'd suggest to check out A Question of Heaven and Come What May for songs that build up to a very strong and intense ending.YES, great songs.
Also, I'd add Dante's Inferno
Well, in less than two weeks I will be able to tell you all the details you need/want. I'm guessing my review will be up then too - depending if i can get my website done by that date.
Well, in less than two weeks I will be able to tell you all the details you need/want. I'm guessing my review will be up then too - depending if i can get my website done by that date.
:caffeine:
I'm excited in particular to hear the recurring themes and how they're developed/interact with each other. I wonder if we've heard any motifs already in The Gift of Music?
Are there some themes that are played many times throughout the whole album, or are the recurring parts only played a couple of times?It will have a motif for every major character I guess
Well, in less than two weeks I will be able to tell you all the details you need/want. I'm guessing my review will be up then too - depending if i can get my website done by that date.Tell you what, you work on your site and I'll work on the review for you. Deal?
Well, in less than two weeks I will be able to tell you all the details you need/want. I'm guessing my review will be up then too - depending if i can get my website done by that date.Tell you what, you work on your site and I'll work on the review for you. Deal?
Yes, we've already heard something that will reoccur.
My only hope for this album is that there will be moments of epicness. I don't mean epic as in a long song, I mean the emotional, building, crescendos found in Grand Finale/Losing Time, Finally Free and at the end of Octavarium and Illumination Theory.
This is what Dream Theater do better than any other band on the planet (IMHO).
I can't wait for the bagpipes and the Tango bit Jordan mentioned, lol.
Also, it's pretty common in literature and poetry to use a child as "the voice of innocence and reason", so that would make him a decent option as the character who can end the dispute between the GNE and RRM.
Maybe hadi was right to be obsessed with the clock guy :laugh:
Also, it's pretty common in literature and poetry to use a child as "the voice of innocence and reason", so that would make him a decent option as the character who can end the dispute between the GNE and RRM.
I'm pretty tired of this trope to be honest, so I hope this is not the case here.
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
That's good to hear, but I'm really wondering how he'll do that. He's definitely a good singer, but singing in 7 different ways to reperesent the differnet characters seems pretty challenging. The only thing that I can think of that could work would be having a character for each of his singing style. Maybe something like this?
Lower speaking register: Daryus
Soft whispery voice: Evangeline
Falsetto: Faythe
Standard mid-range voice: Arhys
High belting register: Gabriel
Gritty Vocals: Nafaryus
Screamy vocals: Arabelle
Yeah, I really have no idea :lol
i guess we'll see... yes, we shall see.
i guess we'll see... yes, we shall see.
i guess we'll see... yes, we shall see.
Wait, what, the dude that photoshopped James' face over all the characters was right???????
:lol
I'm back ! :cornYou missed much of the party here :p
It's The Astonishing month of release ! :omg: :o
Not long now ! :D
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
That's good to hear, but I'm really wondering how he'll do that. He's definitely a good singer, but singing in 7 different ways to reperesent the differnet characters seems pretty challenging. The only thing that I can think of that could work would be having a character for each of his singing style.
Victoria in SFAM was obvious, Julian and Edward a bit less but once you know the story and the lyrics you kinda feel drawn into the character's point of view... but, to make an example, there's no enormous difference, "hey is it even the same singer?" vibe between the "Her ecstasy means so much to me" chorus and the "Her story it holds the key" one in Home.
We'll see... actually, we'll hear!
Would be nice to have the places tab unlock at the same day the characters and map thing finishes, which is tomorrow (I hope).I didn't even see the Places Tab with the lock over it until now. I have no clue why I didn't see that. Now I'm excited!
Would be nice to have the places tab unlock at the same day the characters and map thing finishes, which is tomorrow (I hope).I didn't even see the Places Tab with the lock over it until now. I have no clue why I didn't see that. Now I'm excited!
It's funny you should say that - cause there's a certain section in a certain song I could -swear- I'd heard before in a Final Fantasy game...
I'm guessing it will be a breakdown off all the locations on the fully revealed map, maybe with a small bio of their significance. :o
I'm guessing it will be a breakdown off all the locations on the fully revealed map, maybe with a small bio of their significance. :o
Hopefully with plenty of pictures too.
i guess we'll see... yes, we shall see.
Now, you got me intrigued!
I don't know if that's feasible this time around considering the shear scope of the album...
Man it must be such a bummer when the album comes out and everybody is excited about it and you've been listening to it for two month already, I've experienced that with leaked albums in the past and usually that would be only a few days before release day but I would still be a little bummed out when "the day" comes.
Tease us, Noxon, TEASE US MOAR
Man it must be such a bummer when the album comes out and everybody is excited about it and you've been listening to it for two month already, I've experienced that with leaked albums in the past and usually that would be only a few days before release day but I would still be a little bummed out when "the day" comes.
The worst is not being able to speak about it. Not only because I'm not allowed (well, strictly speaking it's more self imposed than being told), but more annoyingly because there's no one to share the excitement.
But I turn it to something positive. It's become my job to hype you.
Man it must be such a bummer when the album comes out and everybody is excited about it and you've been listening to it for two month already, I've experienced that with leaked albums in the past and usually that would be only a few days before release day but I would still be a little bummed out when "the day" comes.
The worst is not being able to speak about it. Not only because I'm not allowed (well, strictly speaking it's more self imposed than being told), but more annoyingly because there's no one to share the excitement.
But I turn it to something positive. It's become my job to hype you.
I wonder what would've happened if the same type of PR-scheme was used for SFAM.
Picture of "The Hypnotherapist" released: "More like the rapist, amiright?" - "Well, it's in his title, innit?".
Picture of "Victoria" released: "Wow, she looks... wait, is that a 1920s hairstyle? Wtf is this, some kind of mafia/prohibition story? I don't get it."
Picture of "Edward" released: "Huh, whats up with the suit? He looks like straight out of the godfather. This IS a mafia story. DT has lost it. I mean, I know MP is a movie buff, but ripping of the godfather? I don't even like mafia movies!"
Location revealed - Echo's Hill: "What does that even mean?? It's like they have no knowledge of stuff that's not sound related. "echo". Geddit.
Oh, you'll hear it when James switches characters in songs...
Oh really? :biggrin: :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/cnGl436.jpg)
No. In fact, it's like FII, SFAM, SDOIT, and 8V had an orgy, and the resulting baby was TA...
I don't mean to question the credibility of a statement that came from noxon, but after Portnoy described BC&SL as a combination of A Change of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning to Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison prior to its release, I became quite skeptical about those types of comparison :P
Man it must be such a bummer when the album comes out and everybody is excited about it and you've been listening to it for two month already, I've experienced that with leaked albums in the past and usually that would be only a few days before release day but I would still be a little bummed out when "the day" comes.
The worst is not being able to speak about it. Not only because I'm not allowed (well, strictly speaking it's more self imposed than being told), but more annoyingly because there's no one to share the excitement.
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I haven't measured, but as I've stated elsewhere, the focus is on the story and the vocals first and foremost, so the ratio is probably the highest of any DT album to date. The ratio of acoustic instruments is probably also the highest of any DT album to date.
The ratio of acoustic instruments is probably also the highest of any DT album to date.
Me and a few other guys just agreed to have a listening "party" when the album drops. This whole thing is just way too silly to experience for the first time alone, so we thought that we might as well have some fun with it. If it's good, then great! If it's bad, we can all laugh together.Some friends and I did that with both Octavarium and Systematic Chaos. That was fun.
I haven't measured, but as I've stated elsewhere, the focus is on the story and the vocals first and foremost, so the ratio is probably the highest of any DT album to date. The ratio of acoustic instruments is probably also the highest of any DT album to date.
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I'm just guessing here, but this week I'm expecting a video of a song diferent from TGoM, because the band filmed a video and stated that TGoM is not a single, but a teaser of the album... and it's a double album with more than 2 hours! I don't believe the band will premiere only 4 min of it...
I genuinely can't hear any difference in sound between TGOM and anything on DT12, so why is the mix of DT12 criticised so much and yet TGOM has near-universal praise? Is it because everyone's an audiophile, so little differences are noticed more?
I genuinely can't hear any difference in sound between TGOM and anything on DT12, so why is the mix of DT12 criticised so much and yet TGOM has near-universal praise? Is it because everyone's an audiophile, so little differences are noticed more?
I hear the difference in how dynamic the new song is but I think I might not have noticed had audiophiles opinions hanging over my head.
I think if you go to a proctologist and they give you the form to fill before you see the doctor; one of the questions on it would be "Have you been an audiophile in the last 10 years?".
I haven't measured, but as I've stated elsewhere, the focus is on the story and the vocals first and foremost, so the ratio is probably the highest of any DT album to date. The ratio of acoustic instruments is probably also the highest of any DT album to date.
You gave me two boners with one post. Can't waiiiit!!!
(Actually, I CAN wait, I've already resolved myself to not hear anything, not even The Gift of Music before I'll buy it, but I want to hear iiiiiiit!!!!!)
I kinda wish I could get new DT albums completely spoiler-free. Unfortunately, I am not in a position where I can do that.
You gave me two boners with one post. Can't waiiiit!!!You have two boners?
You can't?Never had any complaints from one.
You gave me two boners with one post. Can't waiiiit!!!You have two boners?
You gave me two boners with one post. Can't waiiiit!!!You have two boners?
the left red eye on the nomacs show us the ACT 1 tracklist for listening streaming & right red eye on the nomacs show ACT 2 track list for listening streaming on 29th january! what you think? :tup
the left red eye on the nomacs show us the ACT 1 tracklist for listening streaming & right red eye on the nomacs show ACT 2 track list for listening streaming on 29th january! what you think? :tup
the left red eye on the nomacs show us the ACT 1 tracklist for listening streaming & right red eye on the nomacs show ACT 2 track list for listening streaming on 29th january! what you think? :tup
Streaming the full album on the release day, that's a fantastic idea!
The one thing I still worry about is that when DT goes "soft," sometimes their ballads can sound sappy and a bit color-by-numbers.
The one thing I still worry about is that when DT goes "soft," sometimes their ballads can sound sappy and a bit color-by-numbers.
This.
If the album turns out to be two hours of TITL meets AFTR, I'll be disappointed.
(Nonetheless preordered and got a ticket, I have Faythe that this is going to be good.)
Except, someone's already mentioned that all the tracks are standalone entities (apart from a single exception).
funny you should mention that track...
funny you should mention that track...You're driving us crazy. I mean, in the most positive way. :biggrin:
I wouldn't worry about that. :)
I wouldn't worry about that. :)
This is The Life & The Answer Lies Within are two of my favourite DT songs.
funny you should mention that track...
Yeah I really don't like Along For The Ride :lol
It could be a better song if the drums weren't so muddy and thumpy.
Pfft. nothing else...
funny you should mention that track...
Pfft. nothing else...
Considering overture is instrumental - nope ;)
But there IS a military march with a strong multivoiced choir singing the lyrics, asking a question...
Considering overture is instrumental - nope ;)
But there IS a military march with a strong multivoiced choir singing the lyrics, asking a question...
the left red eye on the nomacs show us the ACT 1 tracklist for listening streaming & right red eye on the nomacs show ACT 2 track list for listening streaming on 29th january! what you think? :tup
Streaming the full album on the release day, that's a fantastic idea!
Well there's no music shops left to go buy it anymore . You have to wait for it to arrive in the post. ::)
Considering overture is instrumental - nope ;)
But there IS a military march with a strong multivoiced choir singing the lyrics, asking a question...
So, i found the track lenghts here:
*snip*
Source: Rateyourmusic.
I don't know if it's official.
Considering overture is instrumental - nope ;)
But there IS a military march with a strong multivoiced choir singing the lyrics, asking a question...
A Savior in the Square = Bring The Boys Back Home ? :)
Pfft. nothing else...
Come on teo, TGOM is 4:07 anyway.
Funny thing about bring the boys back home:
https://loudwire.com/dream-theater-jordan-rudess-almost-played-pink-floyd-the-wall/
Bring The Boys Back Home from PF has what? 1-2 minutes? And it's pretty fu***** epic!!!11
Karl's face says it all! Never had him down as a DT fan...
Karl's face says it all! Never had him down as a DT fan...
"Long instrumental sections. Do we need them n tha'?"
Mr. Pilkington DT fans, yay!
Karl's face says it all! Never had him down as a DT fan...
"Long instrumental sections. Do we need them n tha'?"
Mr. Pilkington DT fans, yay!
It's funny because I'm a supporter of the GNE. lol.
Karl Pilkington is pretty much the funniest man on earth.
Karl Pilkington is pretty much the funniest man on earth.
And Ricky Gervais is probably the worst human being alive.
And Ricky Gervais is probably the worst human being alive.
Please don't.And Ricky Gervais is probably the worst human being alive.
May I ask why?
I know why some people may not like him, but I would recommend taking this to another thread, lol.Yeah, that too.
Yeah just take this to the "Official DTF Ricky Gervais Thread" and you should be fine.
Bosk has already said we are in for a good week. Let's just be patient and when it happens it happens and we can all lose our minds then! :corn
just found this on the website of the dutch metal magazine 'Aardschok' on the 'Awaited Releases' page:
Dream Theater - “Beyond The Pages Of Our Time... A Preview Of The Astonishing”
https://aardschok.com/verwacht-101 (https://aardschok.com/verwacht-101)
Could be something te be released soon...
Does that mean there is a single pair of songs with one segueing into the other?
Why is everyone suddenly moaning about the pictures?! They've been up there for weeks and you've suddenly thought of something to complain about? :facepalm:
Noxon, this is a difficult question to form, but I'll try, and I hope you understand:
Will there be moments analogous to SDOIT song, where individual songs are not connected like you said, but they still dynamically flow into eachother? For example, about to crash starts as a happy song, but it gets darker towards the end and more aggressive, and then war inside my head starts, being a whole different song, but it continues getting aggressive, in trend of about to crash, and then it culminates into the most aggressive song, the test that stumped them all, which is again, very different from the previous ones, but the aggression kept rising and flowed into that song, which is an aggressive climax
And yeah, will there be aggressive songs at all?
Noxon, this is a difficult question to form, but I'll try, and I hope you understand:
Will there be moments analogous to SDOIT song, where individual songs are not connected like you said, but they still dynamically flow into eachother? For example, about to crash starts as a happy song, but it gets darker towards the end and more aggressive, and then war inside my head starts, being a whole different song, but it continues getting aggressive, in trend of about to crash, and then it culminates into the most aggressive song, the test that stumped them all, which is again, very different from the previous ones, but the aggression kept rising and flowed into that song, which is an aggressive climax
And yeah, will there be aggressive songs at all?
Well, I'd say that the only parts of SDOIT which are not "physically" connected are Solitary Shell and ATC (reprise). The rest have musical continuity, as there's no silence between them. You could even put SS-ATCR in there too...
Noxon, this is a difficult question to form, but I'll try, and I hope you understand:
Will there be moments analogous to SDOIT song, where individual songs are not connected like you said, but they still dynamically flow into eachother? For example, about to crash starts as a happy song, but it gets darker towards the end and more aggressive, and then war inside my head starts, being a whole different song, but it continues getting aggressive, in trend of about to crash, and then it culminates into the most aggressive song, the test that stumped them all, which is again, very different from the previous ones, but the aggression kept rising and flowed into that song, which is an aggressive climax
And yeah, will there be aggressive songs at all?
Well, I'd say that the only parts of SDOIT which are not "physically" connected are Solitary Shell and ATC (reprise). The rest have musical continuity, as there's no silence between them. You could even put SS-ATCR in there too...
From Noxon:
"But I have stated that the songs do not "flow" into each other. Each song excepting one has a clear beginning and a clear end. There is silent between almost all tracks, but like two or three has a small connecting sound effect that persists from the end to the next - but remove that sound effect and it's a completely separate song. It's a very dynamic and diverse album.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
I think it's fair to think of this as a movie or a tv-show soundtrack.
Each song is a "scene". The "scene" may be exposition, like "The Gift of Music", or be dialogue between characters, or monologues, or action sequences. So since we're cutting from scene to scene, the music also resets. And oftentimes, the first few moments of the songs are then "establishing shots" - there to set the mood.
It's hard to explain without going into details.
I think it's fair to think of this as a movie or a tv-show soundtrack.
Each song is a "scene". The "scene" may be exposition, like "The Gift of Music", or be dialogue between characters, or monologues, or action sequences. So since we're cutting from scene to scene, the music also resets. And oftentimes, the first few moments of the songs are then "establishing shots" - there to set the mood.
It's hard to explain without going into details.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Yeah Im confident that if DT are making a concept album, theyll make it cohesive and connceted. And Im sure it will sound good.
I dont know, maybe it a a childish desire in me that wants the long songs. I just find it hard for me to imagine Ill like the short songs as much as I like their epics. I know its an irrational thought but thats what going through my mind right now.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Am I missing something or you listened to the album, Blob?
B.Lee
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Am I missing something or you listened to the album, Blob?
B.Lee
I haven't listened to everything and in sequence properly, but I'm familiar with about half of the album.
Don't try to think of the album in terms of SFAM or even the title track of SDOIT. It is a rock opera, distinct from the concept album approach of SFAM. Hearing descriptions of it doesn't do justice to how it is written.
Anyway, im somewhat dissapointed at Noxons statement. I hoped that if there wont be epics, there would be atleast connected songs giving a feeling similar to it. Im still sure I will love the album, its just not what I had in mind. And thats ok, DT said from the beginning this would be something different.
The album is cohesive and connected through the use of recurring musical themes, and they pack a ton of epicness into such short songs.
Am I missing something or you listened to the album, Blob?
B.Lee
I haven't listened to everything and in sequence properly, but I'm familiar with about half of the album.
Don't try to think of the album in terms of SFAM or even the title track of SDOIT. It is a rock opera, distinct from the concept album approach of SFAM. Hearing descriptions of it doesn't do justice to how it is written.
I don't care about that. My real concern is about album quality, if is so good as SFAM or Awake
Why?
Blob or Noxon or Bosk.
How are the sonics on what you've heard ? The Gift of Music sounded like it had breathing room.
Is the whole album like that ?
Rich Chycki said TGOM was post master so I'm hopeful.
Blob or Noxon or Bosk.
How are the sonics on what you've heard ? The Gift of Music sounded like it had breathing room.
Is the whole album like that ?
Rich Chycki said TGOM was post master so I'm hopeful.
Everything I've heard has sounded at least as good as TGOM production-wise. No obvious compression, everything audible, not fighting for space. I just took one of the heaviest tracks and checked the dynamic range, and it registered as DR8, so hopefully it's the same as what's on the CD. Easily the best sounding of the RR era. I can hear more subtleties in the drums too.
Everything I've heard has sounded at least as good as TGOM production-wise. No obvious compression, everything audible, not fighting for space. I just took one of the heaviest tracks and checked the dynamic range, and it registered as DR8, so hopefully it's the same as what's on the CD. Easily the best sounding of the RR era. I can hear more subtleties in the drums too.
That makes me think DT listened to the backlash to the DT12 brickwalling. It didn't bother me so much but I could see why many others were frustrated at the low dynamic range.
The CD will sound better, as it doesnt have the watermark. The watermark is quite intrusive at times.
During my vacation it looks like this has gone from nobody in the know making comments to multiple people in the know making comments
prior to release. I think I will stay away until after release day.
Understood and I applaud that reasoning.
Soon
Today is the day??
Oh, ok.Today is the day??
It is indeed the day. The day of Wednesday 6th January, 2016, to be precise. Although in some parts of the world, it's probably the night.
I wouldn't be concerned about the quality of the songwriting at all. Beautiful stuff.
If the version I've heard is the same as what's on the CD, it would be their most dynamic album since the '90s.I am loving you so hard right now.
Why there are two overtures? For me this can be afforded by only one in a conceptual album. Unless the two acts are very distinct musically - like Opeth's Deliverance and Damnation. Otherwise I see no meaning in doing two overtures.
Why there are two overtures? For me this can be afforded by only one in a conceptual album. Unless the two acts are very distinct musically - like Opeth's Deliverance and Damnation. Otherwise I see no meaning in doing two overtures.
This is a Rock Opera. In the style of many classic musicals, operas, and plays, there is usually an Intermission (Entr'acte in French). Music usually plays during Intermission, which I'm 99% sure is what "2285 Entr'Acte" is supposed to represent.
Why there are two overtures? For me this can be afforded by only one in a conceptual album. Unless the two acts are very distinct musically - like Opeth's Deliverance and Damnation. Otherwise I see no meaning in doing two overtures.
The CD will sound better, as it doesnt have the watermark. The watermark is quite intrusive at times.
I'm hearing it without the watermark, but the watermarks are annoying, like a big ol' notch filter basically.
As this looks likely to be one of the longest albums I've ever heard, then I'll probably want to take a short intermission at the end of Act 1. The 2nd overture will then serve to transport me back into the world of the story, which is one of the purposes of operatic overtures.
The CD will sound better, as it doesnt have the watermark. The watermark is quite intrusive at times.
I'm hearing it without the watermark, but the watermarks are annoying, like a big ol' notch filter basically.
How do you watermark a CD ? is there like a constant sound on it or " THIS CD IS PROPERTY OF ROAD RUNNER RECORDS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED PARTNERS AND AFFILIATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA " every 5 seconds ?
How do you watermark a CD ? is there like a constant sound on it or " THIS CD IS PROPERTY OF ROAD RUNNER RECORDS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED PARTNERS AND AFFILIATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA " every 5 seconds ?
Hmmmm....maybe if the direction of conversation on this thread keeps heading downward, it will get so low to the point where DT will feel sorry for us and just release the album a week ahead of schedule. :biggrin:
Hmmmm....maybe if the direction of conversation on this thread keeps heading downward, it will get so low to the point where DT will feel sorry for us and just release the album a week ahead of schedule. :biggrin:
Yeah, let's talk a bit more about wet dreams :lol
But I have stated that the songs do not "flow" into each other. Each song excepting one has a clear beginning and a clear end. There is silent between almost all tracks, but like two or three has a small connecting sound effect that persists from the end to the next - but remove that sound effect and it's a completely separate song. It's a very dynamic and diverse album.
I constantly have nightmares of being overwhelmed by gigantic ocean waves.
I constantly have nightmares of being overwhelmed by gigantic ocean waves.
I constantly have nightmares of being overwhelmed by gigantic ocean waves.
My nightmares involve rollercoasters and lifts ( elevators ) even though I am scared of neither.
I get that's what was referred to as the teaser. Guess i took that comment as sarcasmYou might have a point actually. Never thought of it like that... :-\
I think Noxon and I have said about all we can/will say on the subject, so continuing to ask questions is pointless (and kind of insulting). Please stop. You all can wait 3 1/2 more weeks for the album (or for any information that is officially released or authorized before then).
I think Noxon and I have said about all we can/will say on the subject, so continuing to ask questions is pointless (and kind of insulting). Please stop. You all can wait 3 1/2 more weeks for the album (or for any information that is officially released or authorized before then).
I don't think asking personal opinion insulting, we just want to know how much did you liked. We are not asking for specific information or to spoil the album
I think Noxon and I have said about all we can/will say on the subject, so continuing to ask questions is pointless (and kind of insulting). Please stop. You all can wait 3 1/2 more weeks for the album (or for any information that is officially released or authorized before then).
Insulting how, exactly? You're both regularly posting cryptic snippets of information then apparently getting pissed off when people try to engage with you about the subject. Perhaps think about who is really insulting who.
I do realize that it is just because you guys are just anxious, and that that is because you are fans of the band. But just please understand that we are not in a position to be able to say much, so just please don't push too hard. It isn't long before you will all be able to hear the entire album in all its glory.
I do realize that it is just because you guys are just anxious, and that that is because you are fans of the band. But just please understand that we are not in a position to be able to say much, so just please don't push too hard. It isn't long before you will all be able to hear the entire album in all its glory.
So we can push...if we're gentle?
:progsnob:
I do realize that it is just because you guys are just anxious, and that that is because you are fans of the band. But just please understand that we are not in a position to be able to say much, so just please don't push too hard. It isn't long before you will all be able to hear the entire album in all its glory.
So we can push...if we're gentle?
:progsnob:
I think Noxon and I have said about all we can/will say on the subject, so continuing to ask questions is pointless (and kind of insulting). Please stop. You all can wait 3 1/2 more weeks for the album (or for any information that is officially released or authorized before then).
Insulting how, exactly? You're both regularly posting cryptic snippets of information then apparently getting pissed off when people try to engage with you about the subject. Perhaps think about who is really insulting who.
Okay, perhaps "insulting" is a bit too strong. But Noxon and I have NOT been "regularly posting cryptic snippets of information" as you suggest. Noxon has posted some things in response to specific questions, and I am annoyed that a few people keep ignoring statements that we are not allowed to say much more. But I do indeed realize that this is a forum of hardcore fans. So, yeah, I understand that people are going to ask anyway. I apologize for letting my annoyance spill over and get the better of me. I do realize that it is just because you guys are just anxious, and that that is because you are fans of the band. But just please understand that we are not in a position to be able to say much, so just please don't push too hard. It isn't long before you will all be able to hear the entire album in all its glory.
My 2 cents: if you consider The Gift Of Music to be an 8-, the album will be a 9+. ;-)
I think Noxon and I have said about all we can/will say on the subject, so continuing to ask questions is pointless (and kind of insulting). Please stop. You all can wait 3 1/2 more weeks for the album (or for any information that is officially released or authorized before then).
Insulting how, exactly? You're both regularly posting cryptic snippets of information then apparently getting pissed off when people try to engage with you about the subject. Perhaps think about who is really insulting who.
Okay, perhaps "insulting" is a bit too strong. But Noxon and I have NOT been "regularly posting cryptic snippets of information" as you suggest. Noxon has posted some things in response to specific questions, and I am annoyed that a few people keep ignoring statements that we are not allowed to say much more. But I do indeed realize that this is a forum of hardcore fans. So, yeah, I understand that people are going to ask anyway. I apologize for letting my annoyance spill over and get the better of me. I do realize that it is just because you guys are just anxious, and that that is because you are fans of the band. But just please understand that we are not in a position to be able to say much, so just please don't push too hard. It isn't long before you will all be able to hear the entire album in all its glory.
Sorry for starting drama, of course I appreciate where you are coming from. I was just thinking out loud about whether or not we're gonna receive some more news/content this week. I thought you were trying to invite some discussion with your "this is gonna be a good week *popcorn*" comment .
:soon:
:soon:
I love how fast the newbs learn our emotes. :lol
:king:
:soon:
I love how fast the newbs learn our emotes. :lol
I have to admit that I click on quote to remember some of them, even though I'm not that much of a newb anymore xD
Well, the events that were on the schedule I have were supposed to have happened already, so...not sure where we are. :lol :dunno: But it is supposed to be a good week.
Well, the events that were on the schedule I have were supposed to have happened already, so...not sure where we are. :lol :dunno: But it is supposed to be a good week.
That sounds a little awkward. If I were to guess, these things will probably come friday because why not.
We all need the cheat sheets for them. BTW Looks at my post count. I'm an old fart here now. :lol
:2112:We all need the cheat sheets for them. BTW Looks at my post count. I'm an old fart here now. :lol
And new ones are being added all the time! In fact, I just added one 8:41 ago.
(which, by that clue, King should be able to figure out what it is and what the code is, if he thinks about it hard enough)
:queenshmegland
Son of a
I'm having a brain fart.
What is going on? What have I missed? :o
Well, the events that were on the schedule I have were supposed to have happened already, so...not sure where we are. :lol :dunno: But it is supposed to be a good week.
What is going on? What have I missed? :oWell, the events that were on the schedule I have were supposed to have happened already, so...not sure where we are. :lol :dunno: But it is supposed to be a good week.
^ That's all you need to know. Let's wait and see ;)
How long has it been since the last site update? Should we have "clock guy" by now?
And I still can't stop listening to TGOM. That section once the choir comes in gets me every time.
It looks like it means 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 57 seconds.
8:41 is the track length for The Killing Hand ... :facepalm:
Today is the day??
It is indeed the day. The day of Wednesday 6th January, 2016, to be precise. Although in some parts of the world, it's probably the night.
Today is the day??
It is indeed the day. The day of Wednesday 6th January, 2016, to be precise. Although in some parts of the world, it's probably the night.
??? :( :facepalm: >:(
Does anyone know if Jordan will use a seabord on this album? I really loved the sound of the piece he just posted on facebook :)
Does anyone know if Jordan will use a seabord on this album? I really loved the sound of the piece he just posted on facebook :)
The first facebook video he did with it he said something along the lines of "included on the upcoming album", so I believe so, yes.
Well Bosk hinted that something may be happening this week, then updated us by saying that what was meant to have happened has actually not yet happened. And that's pretty much the week summed up! Still 3 weeks tomorrow we will have those discs of awesomeness in our sweaty palms.
Well Bosk hinted that something may be happening this week, then updated us by saying that what was meant to have happened has actually not yet happened. And that's pretty much the week summed up! Still 3 weeks tomorrow we will have those discs of awesomeness in our sweaty palms.
I hope the double cd is a jewel case and not some cardboard thing.
I still haven't pre-ordered mine (I need to though, no music store in this town). I'll just go for the regular edition.
I'm sure there will be an HDTracks version available for purchase too, as with their other RR albums.
I hope the double cd is a jewel case and not some cardboard thing.
I'm sure there will be an HDTracks version available for purchase too, as with their other RR albums.
I'm not bothered about that this time if the CD sounds good. And noxon and Blob both said it does. At least a lot better than DT12.
I'm sure there will be an HDTracks version available for purchase too, as with their other RR albums.
I still haven't pre-ordered mine (I need to though, no music store in this town). I'll just go for the regular edition.
This.
I wanted the Vinyl but not for £70 thanks.
Need moar updates.
£9.99 for 1 LP
Astonishing is 4 LPs so that's £40, inclusion of a couple posters prolly worth £4 each that's £48. On Amazon it's £60 so it's only expensive by £12. I'd still rather just pay £40 for a no bullshit version though.
I hope at least the booklet is removable. I wanna be able to get it out and read it comfortably.
I can't wait to have it in my hands and give myself pleasure with both discs.
I can't wait to have it in my hands and give myself pleasure with both discs.
So that's how NOMACs were visualized! :omg:
Bosk, can you answer this question? Would the album be available on HD Tracks? If so, is there a discount code for that? Hahaha. I remember buying BTFW mere minutes after it appeared on HD TRacks only to know later that there is a discount code. :p Thanks.I have no idea. Sorry.
Anyone notice that when you refresh The Astonishing page there's a new image that flashes for a split second?
You sure it's not the Along for the Ride artwork that comes up for a split second while the pages loads you're talking about? It's an image of a landscape with a wooden house and a car or something.
EDIT: the bear beat me to it.
Bosk, can you answer this question? Would the album be available on HD Tracks? If so, is there a discount code for that? Hahaha. I remember buying BTFW mere minutes after it appeared on HD TRacks only to know later that there is a discount code. :p Thanks.I have no idea. Sorry.
£9.99 for 1 LP
Astonishing is 4 LPs so that's £40, inclusion of a couple posters prolly worth £4 each that's £48. On Amazon it's £60 so it's only expensive by £12. I'd still rather just pay £40 for a no bullshit version though.
I might get it eventually. :)
Along for the Ride to the Astonishing Future (Part II): On the Backs of NOMACs.
34 tracks... 22 days left.
and only one track released.
No snippets, no preview, no review, no video... nothing.
Only characters and a map...
I'm a little bit disappointed. :tdwn
What if clock person is an old woman, more likely a shaman?
BITS pt. 2
An Astonishing Turn of Events
34 tracks... 22 days left.
and only one track released.
No snippets, no preview, no review, no video... nothing.
Only characters and a map...
I'm a little bit disappointed. :tdwn
How many tracks are usually released before an album is released? ONE.
totally agree. The hype level has decreased :'(
Yes I plan to listen to Metropolis then Scenes From A Memory then Bridges In The Sky then The Astonishing since they're all connected
:splodetard: :splodetard: :splodetard:
Very poorly since it is DT's worst Epic. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Very poorly since it is DT's worst Epic. :biggrin: :biggrin:
You gotta be kidding me.... Where's the green font? >:(
:huh: any updates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMIe4qQYr_k
Yes, The Emperor is on that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMIe4qQYr_k
Yes, The Emperor is on that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMIe4qQYr_k
Yes, The Emperor is on that video.
I spoiled that one month ago my friend ;D
Why would someone be annoyed about Clock Guy not being revealed yet?
The album is released in 22 days, why are people desperate for updates?
My thoughts exactly. A lack of updates merely increases my anticipation and excitement. Whenever we get news, great! If not, well like you said 3 weeks is nothing. And if I recall all we had last album was TEI anyway!
Why would someone be annoyed about Clock Guy not being revealed yet?
The album is released in 22 days, why are people desperate for updates?
My thoughts exactly. A lack of updates merely increases my anticipation and excitement. Whenever we get news, great! If not, well like you said 3 weeks is nothing. And if I recall all we had last album was TEI anyway!
Why would someone be annoyed about Clock Guy not being revealed yet?
The album is released in 22 days, why are people desperate for updates?
My thoughts exactly. A lack of updates merely increases my anticipation and excitement. Whenever we get news, great! If not, well like you said 3 weeks is nothing. And if I recall all we had last album was TEI anyway!
We also had Along for the Ride.
And c'mon, people manage anxiety differently. I don't think people should tell eachother how anxious they should be and try to end people's expectations. Someone might be more anxious than me but they control it better. We are only humans xD
Why would someone be annoyed about Clock Guy not being revealed yet?
The album is released in 22 days, why are people desperate for updates?
My thoughts exactly. A lack of updates merely increases my anticipation and excitement. Whenever we get news, great! If not, well like you said 3 weeks is nothing. And if I recall all we had last album was TEI anyway!
We also had Along for the Ride.
And c'mon, people manage anxiety differently. I don't think people should tell eachother how anxious they should be and try to end people's expectations. Someone might be more anxious than me but they control it better. We are only humans xD
Of all the things in life and in the world...well, it's a luxury if this is all you have to be anxious about! :)
+ the streaming of TLG iirc...
Right now, the 29th feels like an eternity away. And there's still (relatively) a lot to be revealed. The last character, the last map piece, the Places section, the videos, the two red buttons on the NOMAC. I just hoped there'd be something near the beginning of the month to celebrate us reaching release month.I agree. With the listening parties some of the stuff could be anticlimactic when released. They should just released everything now :)
+ the streaming of TLG iirc...
That was in a Radio show I think.
Right now, the 29th feels like an eternity away. And there's still (relatively) a lot to be revealed. The last character, the last map piece, the Places section, the videos, the two red buttons on the NOMAC. I just hoped there'd be something near the beginning of the month to celebrate us reaching release month.
I thought they played Along for the Ride on the radio show and TLG was later with the video. :dunno:+ the streaming of TLG iirc...
That was in a Radio show I think.
Yup. There was a livestream on the Monday before release, and that show aired Sunday night
The best solution we have maybe is to stop waiting like stupid zombies all this promotion shit, and ignore any DT forum or social network until the 29th of January.:rant:
I'm really pissed off with myself refreshing every DT related website just to get a tiny glimpse of what is to come. (which I have already pre ordered and paid 175 fucking euros for this)
Like a drug addict who wants his fix..Enough is enough with this shit
Sorry for my language.
end of rant
The best solution we have maybe is to stop waiting like stupid zombies all this promotion shit, and ignore any DT forum or social network until the 29th of January.:rant:
I'm really pissed off with myself refreshing every DT related website just to get a tiny glimpse of what is to come. (which I have already pre ordered and paid 175 fucking euros for this)
Like a drug addict who wants his fix..Enough is enough with this shit
Sorry for my language.
end of rant
That's ok. I'm sure we're all feeling that on some level. We'll get an update and all will be good again.
Is anybody here who remember what Metallica did for the promotion of St.Anger?
If so, remember the dedicated website with exclusive content and every day updates up until the album release?
The best solution we have maybe is to stop waiting like stupid zombies all this promotion shit, and ignore any DT forum or social network until the 29th of January.
I'm really pissed off with myself refreshing every DT related website just to get a tiny glimpse of what is to come. (which I have already pre ordered and paid 175 fucking euros for this)
Like a drug addict who wants his fix..Enough is enough with this shit
Sorry for my language.
end of rant
Well, think of what we would have gotten so far if this wasn't a concept album, or if it was a concept album but DT didn't chose to immerse us in the story this early on by making that website, by now we would have had nothing but the coverart, track titles and the release date, as usual with every album release wait we've had since as far as I can remember.
The only album cycle I wasn't around for was SFAM cause I found DT a year after it came out but I don't think there was a website with a slow reveal of the characters, story line, etc.
However I am a little ticked but I am as ticked as I am with every album I've waited for since the internet was invented. My dad never knew when there was a new Pink Floyd album available in stores until he actually walked into a store and was "Oh look, a new album from my favorite band! I'll get that and enjoy it tonight!", the shit here is that we know that much in advance about a new album coming out and of course that's dip shit greed from the record companies and mind rape aka marketing but that's the way it goes now and there's no fighting it.
My dad never knew when there was a new Pink Floyd album available in stores until he actually walked into a store and was "Oh look, a new album from my favorite band! I'll get that and enjoy it tonight!
The best solution we have maybe is to stop waiting like stupid zombies all this promotion shit, and ignore any DT forum or social network until the 29th of January.
I'm really pissed off with myself refreshing every DT related website just to get a tiny glimpse of what is to come. (which I have already pre ordered and paid 175 fucking euros for this)
Like a drug addict who wants his fix..Enough is enough with this shit
Sorry for my language.
end of rant
:metal :metal :metal
:rant:
That's ok. I'm sure we're all feeling that on some level. We'll get an update and all will be good again.
Our brothers Bosk and Nox
They're all the hope we need
Shining like a beacons in the night
shepherds of all the fans
A reason to believe
A leak is not the gift they brings
The forum stops to listen when they speak!
:metal
R-E-L-A-X.
:chill :hat I'm pretty shure that we'll get something soon! right??????? hahahahaha
Our brothers Bosk and Nox
They're all the hope we need
Shining like a beacons in the night
shepherds of all the fans
A reason to believe
A leak is not the gift they brings
The forum stops to listen when they speak!
:metal
R-E-L-A-X.
What if the last track Astonishing is a reprise medley of rearranged parts of The Killing Hand, Metropolis, Octavarium, The Count Of Tuscany and Outcry and the album ends with the chord or sound that opens The Descent Of The NOMACS? :metalExcept that it won't be, so why even say that?
What if the last track Astonishing is a reprise medley of rearranged parts of The Killing Hand, Metropolis, Octavarium, The Count Of Tuscany and Outcry and the album ends with the chord or sound that opens The Descent Of The NOMACS? :metalExcept that it won't be, so why even say that?
What if the last track Astonishing is a reprise medley of rearranged parts of The Killing Hand, Metropolis, Octavarium, The Count Of Tuscany and Outcry and the album ends with the chord or sound that opens The Descent Of The NOMACS? :metalExcept that it won't be, so why even say that?
First review
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/reviews/2016-01-07/dream-theater-the-astonishing
So the embargo was lifted
First review
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/reviews/2016-01-07/dream-theater-the-astonishing
I'd leave off the "No offense to the reviewer", that was a terrible, though positive, review. Lazy beyond belief. Why even bother writing that ?First review
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/reviews/2016-01-07/dream-theater-the-astonishing
So the embargo was lifted
No offense to the reviewer, but man, is that a lazy review. Such few words for the magnitude of the album.
The embargo may not be lifted and thus the vague and incomplete review
First review
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/reviews/2016-01-07/dream-theater-the-astonishing
So the embargo was lifted
No offense to the reviewer, but man, is that a lazy review. Such few words for the magnitude of the album.
First review
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/reviews/2016-01-07/dream-theater-the-astonishing
So the embargo was lifted
No offense to the reviewer, but man, is that a lazy review. Such few words for the magnitude of the album.
Energy?
Power?
3 pages of new posts since I last checked, so I assumed that there was some new info. Nope. DTF. :lol
"Clock guy" isn't all that exciting, but we've still got two videos to look forward to at some point! And of course the album itself, which will be worth the wait.
3 pages of new posts since I last checked, so I assumed that there was some new info. Nope. DTF. :lol
"Clock guy" isn't all that exciting, but we've still got two videos to look forward to at some point! And of course the album itself, which will be worth the wait.
Well, we've got some new info. The laziest review ever written for a 2 hour album. Lol.
I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.
Hope I'm right.
I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.Funny feeeeling...
Hope I'm right.
Act of Faythe and A Life Left Behind. Hmm...Me thinks this gonna kick our asses.Actually all of us could have written a much more detailed review...
Also, I think tomorrow's announcement will be huge.
Just speculation. It just feels like tomorrow they're gonna announce something good.
Prog metal voyagers go off the deep end
Whether you already love or hate these US/Canadian prog metal messiahs, The Astonishing will only amplify that opinion.
Dream Theater: The Astonishing Cover
Since drummer Mike Portnoy’s shocking exit in 2010 consecutive Grammy nominations have brought the band new respect, despite some hardcore fans accusing DT of coasting across two Portnoy-less releases. Enhanced by a choir and an orchestra, The Astonishing is the statement they needed to make to reclaim those doubters: stupefyingly complex, cinematic and ambitious almost to the point of lunacy.
Spread over two hours, its 34 chapters document a rivalry between warring factions The Great Northern Empire and The Ravenskill Militia, James LaBrie summoning multiple voices for the main characters, including its hero The Chosen One. Imagine Lord Of The Rings meets Star Wars with paradiddles, Flying Vs and a drum riser the size of the average Channel Island.
The sheer grandness of scope intimidates, but the album includes many classic-sounding Dream Theater songs, including The Gift Of Music, Act Of Fayth and A Life Left Behind. You won’t appreciate The Astonishing’s depth, value or melodic content during a single sitting, but rest assured – it’s a grower.
I'd never thought I see the day when people highlighted a ballad on a DT album in front of other more technical tracks ;)
Yeah, that's actually one of the things that are hard with promos - they rarely have artwork and lyrics. So when *BLEEP* *BLEEPS* *BLEEP*, I can't quite grasp -exactly- who *BLEEPED* who. I mean, there's obviously some intricacies here to the story that I'm missing, because I don't know if I understood it correctly when I heard that *BLEEP* on the *BLEEP*, which had such a huge effect on th *BLEEP* and I mean, that's why *BLEEP* to the *BLEEP* after they *BLEEP* and so forth.
I mean, I still don't quite get why *BLEEP* is so Astonishing...
Yeah, that's actually one of the things that are hard with promos - they rarely have artwork and lyrics. So when *BLEEP* *BLEEPS* *BLEEP*, I can't quite grasp -exactly- who *BLEEPED* who. I mean, there's obviously some intricacies here to the story that I'm missing, because I don't know if I understood it correctly when I heard that *BLEEP* on the *BLEEP*, which had such a huge effect on th *BLEEP* and I mean, that's why *BLEEP* to the *BLEEP* after they *BLEEP* and so forth.
I mean, I still don't quite get why *BLEEP* is so Astonishing...
I mean, I still don't quite get why *BLEEP* is so Astonishing...
Yeah, im not doing a track by track this time around. It'll spoil too much of the story.
Publishing as soon as my new thing goes online, which I hope is no later than next week.
I'd never thought I see the day when people highlighted a ballad on a DT album in front of other more technical tracks ;)
Man, I haven't heard a ballad I've liked from DT this much since possibly SDOIT days. It's beautiful, and downright epic, and different to anything they've done in a while. That kind of strong melodic songwriting is what excites me about this album.
Goddamnit Blob, you're making me even more hyped. :lol
short Review: https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dream_theater/the_astonishing/
I'd never thought I see the day when people highlighted a ballad on a DT album in front of other more technical tracks ;)
Man, I haven't heard a ballad I've liked from DT this much since possibly SDOIT days. It's beautiful, and downright epic, and different to anything they've done in a while. That kind of strong melodic songwriting is what excites me about this album.
Goddamnit Blob, you're making me even more hyped. :lol
:lol Sorry, I'm just enjoying what I've heard so far a lot more than the last two albums, and I'm excited that I'm excited!
Do we think there's any particular reason that the clock has been left last with such a long gap between the last character reveal?
Homework assignment.Well yea the album is called Dystopia, whaddya expect.
Go to Megadeth's Youtube channel to check out their new song Dystopia and tell me the first thing that comes to mind in relation
to The Astonishing album :laugh:
Sometimes I think people never heard about cyberpunk/dystopic themes. Floating orbs/scanners is such an old concept.
Homework assignment.
Go to Megadeth's Youtube channel to check out their new song Dystopia and tell me the first thing that comes to mind in relation
to The Astonishing album :laugh:
Wrong answer. Did you see the video? Do you see those things flying around?
The Team Rock review seems to have a similarly vague quality to the first DT12 review. Don't expect the most detailed reviews to come first. Interestingly, DT12's Team Rock Review rates higher than TA, yet the TA review claims that the album will 'reclaim the doubters'. Written by the same person as well.To explain, Team Rock is a composite website covering the Metal Hammer, Classic Rock, and Prog magazines. That review was the Metal Hammer one. I would be gobsmacked if Prog didn't do their own, longer, one as well. Classic Rock probably not as Prog was always an offshoot of that anyway.
Though, it is kind of weird that both bands make so similar concepts at the same time.
Yes of course it's not a completely unheard of coincidence. But even if dystopian stories are very popular, i havent seen many music albums containing flying orbs, and now two are released within a week of each other!
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
This should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I already finished my popcorn... :facepalm: ;D
:rollinThis should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I already finished my popcorn... :facepalm: ;D
:corn this is my 4th bag... :sad:
I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.You are a prophet.
Hope I'm right.
:lol Sorry. But the week is not over yet... :cornThis should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I already finished my popcorn... :facepalm: ;D
:corn this is my 4th bag... :sad:
I don't know why everyone is getting so worked up :lol
The album is out 3 weeks today. I have a full time job. Those 3 weeks will be gone in a flash.
You know what will make the wait even longer ?
Checking this thread 10 times a day.
Unless you're actually in some kind of vessel moving at near the speed of light to pass the time via time dilation, and using your computer and loading a webpage drains some power from the engines causing time to pass at a slower rate. In which case, disregard my comments and let me along for the ride through space and time.:clap:
Unless you're actually in some kind of vessel moving at near the speed of light to pass the time via time dilation, and using your computer and loading a webpage drains some power from the engines causing time to pass at a slower rate. In which case, disregard my comments and let me along for the ride through space and time.
Unless you're actually in some kind of vessel moving at near the speed of light to pass the time via time dilation, and using your computer and loading a webpage drains some power from the engines causing time to pass at a slower rate. In which case, disregard my comments and let me along for the ride through space and time.
Oh the things you'll see !!!!
1. The outdoors !!
Unless you're actually in some kind of vessel moving at near the speed of light to pass the time via time dilation, and using your computer and loading a webpage drains some power from the engines causing time to pass at a slower rate. In which case, disregard my comments and let me along for the ride through space and time.
Oh the things you'll see !!!!
1. The outdoors !!
...what?
It's not a problem and all, but you're about to release your most ambitious, and maybe complex, album ever, and your Fb account is preatty much promoting Vip packages and nothing more - except for the Rock Hard cover - twitter is just a repost from facebook, as it is Instragram, you've completely abandoned Arhys and Nefaryus Twitter accounts and the email thing, and your website (the main one) still has DT12 artwork as the background.
Have you guys tried to click on the nomac's eyes on The Astonishing page? :omg: nothing will happenNo, never once thought of it since they made that page, what a great idea, maybe they're clickable!
After the fantastic Rolling Stone "reveal" I am kind of surprised how they are handling things so far.
Have you guys tried to click on the nomac's eyes on The Astonishing page? :omg: nothing will happenNo, never once thought of it since they made that page, what a great idea, maybe they're clickable!
That seems so strange, not knowing that your favourite bands are releasing albums. Was there no way to find out? No magazines writing about upcoming albums and such?
I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.You are a prophet.
Hope I'm right.
You are THE Astonishing.I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.You are a prophet.
Hope I'm right.
You could say he's....Astonishing.
Well, YOU could say that.I've got a feeling that today is january 8th.You are a prophet.
Hope I'm right.
You could say he's....Astonishing.
I haven't had you yet so I can't say Hef.You've had me.
And tomorrow is saturday. January 9th.
(https://s27.postimg.org/65054h1z7/la_realta_di_adam_kadmon.jpg)
After the fantastic Rolling Stone "reveal" I am kind of surprised how they are handling things so far.
What do you mean, "how they are handling things?" Who is "they" and how are they not "handling things" properly? ???
Do we think there's any particular reason that the clock has been left last with such a long gap between the last character reveal?
I'd assume it's to screw with everyone asking about it. :biggrin:
I don't know why everyone is getting so worked up :lol
The album is out 3 weeks today. I have a full time job. Those 3 weeks will be gone in a flash.
You know what will make the wait even longer ?
Checking this thread 10 times a day.
Actually, the wait will be the exact same length of time regardless of whether you click this thread. :)
Unless you're actually in some kind of vessel moving at near the speed of light to pass the time via time dilation, and using your computer and loading a webpage drains some power from the engines causing time to pass at a slower rate. In which case, disregard my comments and let me along for the ride through space and time.
:lol Sorry. But the week is not over yet... :cornThis should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I already finished my popcorn... :facepalm: ;D
:corn this is my 4th bag... :sad:
Another day without news !!! The week is over now :facepalm: :tdwn :censored
Well seeing as the 9th (tomorrow of course) is the day that those various magazines go on sale I truly believe that the floodgates of info will open on here and on the TA site too :tup
:lol Sorry. But the week is not over yet... :cornThis should be a VERY fun week. Looking forward to it. :corn
I already finished my popcorn... :facepalm: ;D
:corn this is my 4th bag... :sad:
Another day without news !!! The week is over now :facepalm: :tdwn :censored
Yeah, it's hard to say. The schedule has been fluid and has changed repeatedly (as it was designed to do), but has stayed fairly close to schedule most of the time. But there actually was something specifically scheduled for today, so I am surprised it has not happened. I would keep eyes opened next week though.
I would keep eyes opened next week though.
Yeah, it's hard to say. The schedule has been fluid and has changed repeatedly (as it was designed to do), but has stayed fairly close to schedule most of the time. But there actually was something specifically scheduled for today, so I am surprised it has not happened. I would keep eyes opened next week though.
Well, today is not over yet is it? :corn
I would keep eyes opened next week though.
We've heard that before!
:neverusethis:
Seriously, I am really looking forward to this album. The anticipated use of James' range, piano, etc..have me very pumped.
I would keep eyes opened next week though.
We've heard that before!
:neverusethis:
Seriously, I am really looking forward to this album. The anticipated use of James' range, piano, etc..have me very pumped.
Jacked and pumped? Lol
Yeah, it's hard to say. The schedule has been fluid and has changed repeatedly (as it was designed to do), but has stayed fairly close to schedule most of the time. But there actually was something specifically scheduled for today, so I am surprised it has not happened. I would keep eyes opened next week though.
Well, today is not over yet is it? :corn
No, but it's close to 5:00 p.m. on the East Coast, so I doubt we will get anything today if it hasn't happened yet.
I'm a noob when it comes to bying CD's and such (I've never bought a CD in my life before, lol). Those ''HD tracks'' are something I've never heard before. I always thought when you buy CD, it's the best sounding version possible, and it's always better than listening to it on youtube, and such. But wait, you're telling me if you buy regular CD, you're actually not getting the best sounding version possible, or what? I'm confused now :S
I'm a noob when it comes to bying CD's and such (I've never bought a CD in my life before, lol). Those ''HD tracks'' are something I've never heard before. I always thought when you buy CD, it's the best sounding version possible, and it's always better than listening to it on youtube, and such. But wait, you're telling me if you buy regular CD, you're actually not getting the best sounding version possible, or what? I'm confused now :S
Well, there's definitely a reason why people say vinyls have better quality sound than CDs. Think about that
Well, the HDtracks versions usually have a different mastering applied, so they sound more dynamic. They could release the same master on CDs, but the HDtracks is one more way to get more money out of the album.
Well, there's definitely a reason why people say vinyls have better quality sound than CDs. Think about that
... but just because people say that, it doesn't actually make it true by any stretch of the imagination
I'm a noob when it comes to bying CD's and such (I've never bought a CD in my life before, lol). Those ''HD tracks'' are something I've never heard before. I always thought when you buy CD, it's the best sounding version possible, and it's always better than listening to it on youtube, and such. But wait, you're telling me if you buy regular CD, you're actually not getting the best sounding version possible, or what? I'm confused now :S
Well, there's definitely a reason why people say vinyls have better quality sound than CDs. Think about that
Well, there's definitely a reason why people say vinyls have better quality sound than CDs. Think about that
... but just because people say that, it doesn't actually make it true by any stretch of the imagination
We covered this on my music degree. CDs don't bother with the frequencies that humans can't hear ( 20hz-20,000hz ).
Records do have these freqs and they resonate sympathetically with the audible freqs making vinyl appear warmer to us.
But CD doesn't wear out over time or get dirty etc.
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
You should quote and interpret for us right now some of the posts.
It's one more way for a revenue stream. Think of it this way. You see the new Star Wars in the theater then you see it again in IMAX 3D.
Well, there's definitely a reason why people say vinyls have better quality sound than CDs. Think about that
... but just because people say that, it doesn't actually make it true by any stretch of the imagination
After the fantastic Rolling Stone "reveal" I am kind of surprised how they are handling things so far.
What do you mean, "how they are handling things?" Who is "they" and how are they not "handling things" properly? ???
Well, the HDtracks versions usually have a different mastering applied, so they sound more dynamic. They could release the same master on CDs, but the HDtracks is one more way to get more money out of the album.
Well, the HDtracks versions usually have a different mastering applied, so they sound more dynamic. They could release the same master on CDs, but the HDtracks is one more way to get more money out of the album.
Thisa post is made by a greek guy.
Well, the HDtracks versions usually have a different mastering applied, so they sound more dynamic. They could release the same master on CDs, but the HDtracks is one more way to get more money out of the album.
Thisa post is made by a greek guy.
That's true :lol
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
Do we know if the standard double cd will have the lyrics?
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
Whahíbrido Pickingant
The whole Whahíbrido Pickingant thing has really gotten to a point of making me :rollinI gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
The Achtunganshing.
Whahíbrido Pickingant
You're all drunk on Whahíbrido Pickingant. And the only cure, is more Astonishing.
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
This thread doesn't need anybody to be drunk to get lost within it..Do we know if the standard double cd will have the lyrics?
Why shouldn't have them?..
Do we know if the standard double cd will have the lyrics?
Why shouldn't have them?..
I meant the written lyrics. It seems like a lot of the cds now do not have a lyric sheet in a booklet with the cd
I gotta say, when you're drunk as shit as I am right now, this thread is really confusing to read through.
This thread doesn't need anybody to be drunk to get lost within it..Do we know if the standard double cd will have the lyrics?
Why shouldn't have them?..
I meant the written lyrics. It seems like a lot of the cds now do not have a lyric sheet in a booklet with the cd
Has anyone read the Rock Hard France review released today?Do you have a link please ? I can't find it.
I'm downloading the magazine through the App Store app. I don't know French but I'll figure out a way to translate it maybe.
i wanna listen first Act 1.and two month later i'll listen the act 2. but the album is conceptual.this is not my problem. after act one i'm waiting 2 month and i write the B.S concept about astonishing.(Riff/solo/lyrics)but not as JP riffs or solo.i'm releasing ACT 2 in 29th march by myself.
I'm downloading the magazine through the App Store app. I don't know French but I'll figure out a way to translate it maybe.
I converted the image to text with OCR and then I paste it to google translate but the translation is so bad that is nearly unreadableI think is better in french than translated with google translate!!!
Downloaded it and read it with my limited knowledge of french.Interesting the part that talks about the shows... No orchestra and... no choir I imagine...
Long and nice interview but not much new information that I could find. It was done before mixing was finished.
JP wrote the background story and all lyrics. JR & JP wrote the music together. Giving half finished ideas for David Campbell to embellish for the orchestra and choir.
The tour will be just the five of them. The story will be told visually on screen and possibly with things happening on stage. They considered touring with an orchestra but it would be logistically and financially problematic.
No finite plans for recording a show yet but if they do they would like to do it full scale with orchestra and choir.
Plans for the future are not set. They could do a "garage band" recording a normal DT album or a continuation of the Astonishing story.
They didn't reviewed the album?
I wonder if they written all their post-portnoy albums like that (JP+JR writing the music alone) or if that was done specifically with this album.
Hey guys, I'm French and I'm an English teacher, so I could translate the article for you ;) (I already sent a PM to Panar). You could get the translation by 6-7 PM (GMT + 1)
Hey guys, I'm French and I'm an English teacher, so I could translate the article for you ;) (I already sent a PM to Panar). You could get the translation by 6-7 PM (GMT + 1)
:metal
Dt14 = St. Anger.
Dt14 = St. Anger.
Well, you'd have nothing to complain about then, would you? :biggrin:Dt14 = St. Anger.
WHAT!? I LOVE ST. ANGER!!!!!
JP wrote the background story and all lyrics. JR & JP wrote the music together. Giving half finished ideas for David Campbell to embellish for the orchestra and choir.
The one thing SA has over DM is energy in the performances. Lars - despite the shoddy drum sound - is a beast on that album. Some of his most creative drum work ever.
Me too... :o
JP wrote the background story and all lyrics. JR & JP wrote the music together. Giving half finished ideas for David Campbell to embellish for the orchestra and choir.
Disappointed by the lack of JLB/JM lyrics :-\
I was never into JM lyrics :dunno:
The lyrics to Fatal Tragedy are no better or worse than anything else on SFAM...
I was hoping that Petrucci would have explained the story to other lyricists (well, at least James) so that he could have a go with a couple of songs... anyway, "sequel" to the album? 34 songs for 130+ minutes of music and still they haven't told the whole story? :biggrin:
I was hoping that Petrucci would have explained the story to other lyricists (well, at least James) so that he could have a go with a couple of songs... anyway, "sequel" to the album? 34 songs for 130+ minutes of music and still they haven't told the whole story? :biggrin:
I wonder if they written all their post-portnoy albums like that (JP+JR writing the music alone) or if that was done specifically with this album.
I wonder if they written all their post-portnoy albums like that (JP+JR writing the music alone) or if that was done specifically with this album.
This would be the first time... ever.. And I'm surprised JM/MM/JLB didn't contribute with anything in the album..
To be more precise about the answer to your question, check these links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events#Track_listing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)#Track_listing
Btw, reading the TA's Wikipedia article, I found this:
<<The first review of the album, by Teamrock.com, was positive. Calling the album "stupefyingly complex, cinematic and ambitious almost to the point of lunacy", they gave it the rating of 8 out of 10.">>
- But it´s possible that, down the road, they could decide to record a DVD with the whole Orchestra. And if they do that, will be really with the whole Orchestra, not only with 10 or 12 musicians, because the harmonies are too complex to be reduced.
What they will do next? JP jokes maybe they will retire
I was expecting that with 130+ minutes of music, he'd have to delegate some lyrical duties for sure, so that's a huge workload for one person, on top of writing the music too.
The album is good movie length, so that should well and truly be able to tell the whole story. :lol
- JP says DT is related more with a "rebel" than being part of a "empire', but there will be some surprises on the album because things will not be black and white on the story.
- The scenario for the shows will be impressive, with 3D projections
:corn i'm still waiting the great week...
:corn i'm still waiting the great week...
:corn i'm still waiting the great week...
:-\ this is a really sad weekend!
Last year...
Last year...
don't be exaggerated! was like 7 or 8 months? :lol
(In DTF time measurement)
Last year...
don't be exaggerated! was like 7 or 8 months? :lol
(In DTF time measurement)
Yes as we all know a day is like a month in DTF time.
It's not just "not fair", it's actually copyright infringment. That WOULD go for free magazines as well - copying full text from one site to another is strictly speaking copyright infringment.
I was never into JM lyrics :dunno:
The lyrics to Fatal Tragedy are no better or worse than anything else on SFAM...
That's not a very representative song given that he was restricted to a narrow part of a story, which doesn't seem like something that works for JM's creative process and writing style. That said, I don't think he's significantly better than anyone else in the band for lyrics.
Let's just hope John Petrucci doesn't turn into Roger Waters.
Presenting:
The Astonishing
by
John Petrucci
performed by Dream Theater
That is very true. (Even if i think Waters was a genious in the seventies).I've always found Waters is kind of a miserable human being, and I also think that thanks to that he's one of the most prolific and important rock composers of the 20th century.
JP is extremely polite and well-mannered.Let's just hope John Petrucci doesn't turn into Roger Waters.
Presenting:
The Astonishing
by
John Petrucci
performed by Dream Theater
Unlike Waters, JP has never struck me as:
a) an asshole
b) an angry person
c) a bitter person
So I wouldn't worry about that happening. :lol :biggrin:
Let's just hope John Petrucci doesn't turn into Roger Waters.
Presenting:
The Astonishing
by
John Petrucci
performed by Dream Theater
Unlike Waters, JP has never struck me as:
a) an asshole
b) an angry person
c) a bitter person
So I wouldn't worry about that happening. :lol :biggrin:
JLB wrote Blind Faith lyrics, every argument against his lyrical skill is invalid :P
It's probably some awesome piano or gadget noodling. Maybe there will be something Astonishing related though.
He mentioned in the post that it was to do with Geo Shred, but hopefully he has something else to say!
He mentioned in the post that it was to do with Geo Shred, but hopefully he has something else to say!
Oh.. Nevermind then.
Actually, I don't think it does mention any of the apps. That was the previous post(s).
He mentioned in the post that it was to do with Geo Shred, but hopefully he has something else to say!
Oh.. Nevermind then.
Actually, I don't think it does mention any of the apps. That was the previous post(s).
"Join Jordan Rudess as he STREAMS LIVE on Facebook SUNDAY at 3:00 PM eastern standard time. Jordan will highlight and discuss his new iPad app GeoShred as well as play some keys! see you there!"
He mentioned in the post that it was to do with Geo Shred, but hopefully he has something else to say!
Oh.. Nevermind then.
Actually, I don't think it does mention any of the apps. That was the previous post(s).
"Join Jordan Rudess as he STREAMS LIVE on Facebook SUNDAY at 3:00 PM eastern standard time. Jordan will highlight and discuss his new iPad app GeoShred as well as play some keys! see you there!"
How weird... The one I saw said:
"Join Jordan Rudess as he STREAMS LIVE on Facebook SUNDAY at 3:00 PM eastern standard time."
Yeah if this was centered around the new album I think Dream Theater would announce the stream themselves, thinking this will be just about the GeoShredHe mentioned in the post that it was to do with Geo Shred, but hopefully he has something else to say!
Oh.. Nevermind then.
Actually, I don't think it does mention any of the apps. That was the previous post(s).
"Join Jordan Rudess as he STREAMS LIVE on Facebook SUNDAY at 3:00 PM eastern standard time. Jordan will highlight and discuss his new iPad app GeoShred as well as play some keys! see you there!"
How weird... The one I saw said:
"Join Jordan Rudess as he STREAMS LIVE on Facebook SUNDAY at 3:00 PM eastern standard time."
I for one think it is great that this is solely Petrucci's concept storywise/lyrically. He seems to have had a very clear vision of what he wants and I think having him as the sole writer increases chances for a cohesive narrative and clear musical direction for the band. Normally I agree with people wanting lyrics from the whole band, but in cases like these I prefer the idea of the person with the vision giving the story content shape, instead of having other artists work within the boundaries of someone else's imagination.
It was initially a bit of a worry for me actually, that they were just having some fun in the studio and decided to randomly take a few popular intellectual properties and mash those story elements onto some DT tunes. But that is definately not the case here, which is great. This one has been in Petrucci's mind for quite some while. I obviously cannot speak for the quality of the concept yet, however.
Also, I think Labrie is a great singer to do the task of bringing the characters to life. I remember reading Arjen Lucassen said the way Labrie prepared for his role of Me in Human Equation was impressive; he really thinks his characters trough. And the approach Petrucci/Jordan took with the writing, more melodic and many short(er) songs, is likely to allow plenty of diversity and oppertunities for the different band members to shine. And then there are the choir and orchestra, which is awesome.
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/vb.8717682988/10153448134877989/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video
There you go, he's already been live for half an hour though so if you don't want to miss it I guess it will be uploaded afterwards.
I for one think it is great that this is solely Petrucci's concept storywise/lyrically. He seems to have had a very clear vision of what he wants and I think having him as the sole writer increases chances for a cohesive narrative and clear musical direction for the band. Normally I agree with people wanting lyrics from the whole band, but in cases like these I prefer the idea of the person with the vision giving the story content shape, instead of having other artists work within the boundaries of someone else's imagination.
It was initially a bit of a worry for me actually, that they were just having some fun in the studio and decided to randomly take a few popular intellectual properties and mash those story elements onto some DT tunes. But that is definately not the case here, which is great. This one has been in Petrucci's mind for quite some while. I obviously cannot speak for the quality of the concept yet, however.
Also, I think Labrie is a great singer to do the task of bringing the characters to life. I remember reading Arjen Lucassen said the way Labrie prepared for his role of Me in Human Equation was impressive; he really thinks his characters trough. And the approach Petrucci/Jordan took with the writing, more melodic and many short(er) songs, is likely to allow plenty of diversity and oppertunities for the different band members to shine. And then there are the choir and orchestra, which is awesome.
Yes!! I was trying to speak my mind on the fact that petrucci wrote all the lyrics (and how that isn't necessarily a bad thing), but you summed it all up well. I also thought of Ayreon regarding James' ability of bringing other people's characters to life. I've got a great feeling about the whole thing, for sure!
I have a feeling that "Clock Guy" (AKA the Boba Fett of the Astonishing) will be revealed tomorrow
I'd prefer 30 seconds of another track than a picture. Don't give a crap about "Clock Guy", TBH.
He told in the stream there's a Montreal-based visual company that's doing all the visuals for the tour. Any ideas what company might that be?
The clock guy wear jeans and a t-shirt. He look quite different from the other characters and he's probably a kid.
(https://i63.tinypic.com/2lnkec5.png)
I don't have much cause for optimism on these "I think today we'll have..." posts. The boy who cried wolf and all that.
I don't have much cause for optimism on these "I think today we'll have..." posts. The boy who cried wolf and all that.
The album release date draws closer, so with every day the odds of it being correct increase, right? :lol
If there's no news today, I'll eat my gentleman potatoes...
I won't watch that video but I will take Blob's nerdy word as proof.
I won't watch that video but I will take Blob's nerdy word as proof.
I'm thrilled to know that you trust my word on all things related to gentleman potatoes.
However clock guy will look, that will be the face I'll forever associate with hadi-persian.
Finally I heard a review copy. No spoilers, but it is defintitely not worth the wait.Are you serious? can you be a little bit more detailed about your opinion please? I am really curious.
Music 4/10
Sound 5/10
Finally I heard a review copy. No spoilers, but it is defintitely not worth the wait.
Music 4/10
Sound 5/10
Finally I heard a review copy. No spoilers, but it is defintitely not worth the wait.
Music 4/10
Sound 5/10
Well TGOM has already disproved your statement.
Legitimacy. 1/10
User name. 0/10
They need to release some news today, am I right?We need them to. Don't know if they need to.
Finally I heard a review copy. No spoilers, but it is defintitely not worth the wait.
Music 4/10
Sound 5/10
Well TGOM has already disproved your statement.
Legitimacy. 1/10
User name. 0/10
Check out his previous posts on TGOM. Yeah........
After all, JP is a fan of Shakespeare as shown in Pull Me Under, no?
And on where Dt ranks among his favourites bands.
It's just an opinion, and of course a legit and respectable one, but we could have expected not more than this.
After all, JP is a fan of Shakespeare as shown in Pull Me Under, no?
No. KevMo wrote Pull me Under
They need to release some news today, am I right?
They need to release some news today, am I right?
No they don't.
Can someone answer if John Myung is more audible on this album than before?
No need. The album is not worth the wait.
Can someone answer if John Myung is more audible on this album than before?
Why does it matter? All he does is double the guitar parts anyway nowadays. The last album where I actually cared about what Myung was playing was like Train of Thought. :corn
No need. The album is not worth the wait.Worst. Album. Ever.
No need. The album is not worth the wait.
I personnally think that the self-titled was pretty good in term of cool bass parts.
No need. The album is not worth the wait.Good!!! So now I can concentrate myself on the wait for Metallica's next album...
Can someone answer if John Myung is more audible on this album than before?I can hear Myung well on TGOM in my car. Much more audible than the youtube stream I had been listening to before I pre-ordered the album.
In "The Gift of Music" during Arhys' vocal part, the first line is "My brother Gabriel..."
Sounds great, but looks awful, haha :lol Love the cheesiness though. I don't think I'll take this seriously ;)
THEY JUST POSTED A TRAILER ON THEIR FB PAGE :omg: :eek ;D
The music sounds amazing. So much so, that I couldn't hear what the guy was saying I was too focused on the music.
THEY JUST POSTED A TRAILER ON THEIR FB PAGE :omg: :eek ;DAnd it sounds amazing!!
The music sounds amazing. So much so, that I couldn't hear what the guy was saying I was too focused on the music.
Thx for the info, I saw with no sound, Still waiting for a premiere :angel:
Finally I heard a review copy. No spoilers, but it is defintitely not worth the wait.
Music 4/10
Sound 5/10
Music was absolutely fantastic. Visuals? Eh, not so much. I do hope the tour has a better visual presentation than whatever that was. Also, the narration was cheese to the max.
Also, the narration was cheese to the max.
How long is the snippet?
Also, the narration was cheese to the max.
Did you expect something that wasn't cheese? lol
I think the extreme cheesy factor is fine, because I think that's what it means to be. There are some budget limitations that are very noticeable, but I won't mind. I'm excited as hell for this!
The video is up on The Astonishing site now. The mini_track thing just links to the tracklisting.
Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :corn
The video isn't up on the site either. I hope it means those are 'making of' videos.
Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :cornIs this trailer what you were expecting last week ?
Anyone for the full transcript of the voice over? Between the music, the killer riffs and my 16 months daughter who plays near me, I'm having troubles to focus on the exact words of the narrator.
Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :cornOne of those surely is Our New World lols.
Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :corn
Anyone for the full transcript of the voice over? Between the music, the killer riffs and my 16 months daughter who plays near me, I'm having troubles to focus on the exact words of the narrator.
Yes.Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :cornIs this trailer what you were expecting last week ?
It's feudalism. And nomads should be Nomacs.
Is the video intended to be taken seriously, or is it poking fun at cliqued sci-fi/fantasy video game stories?
Can someone please describe what's been shown in the video for those who want to avoid the snippets? Thanks! ;DWhy don't you just watch it on mute?
The music's great.
When marketing began, we were given a choice of which side to "support". I was hoping for some shades of gray in the good guy/bad guy thing. Seems to be pretty black and white. But so long as the music's good.. who cares?
Heh, i was just done transcribing the video, went here and saw it was already here :P
Can someone please describe what's been shown in the video for those who want to avoid the snippets? Thanks! ;DWhy don't you just watch it on mute?
Heh, i was just done transcribing the video, went here and saw it was already here :P
:lol Sorry dude, I just saw that someone requested it a few posts above mine so I listened again and typed it up.
So i guess we can expect another trailer on the website before the album is released?Their website for the new album certainly implies that.
But the question remains. Which is cheesier? The Astonishing? Or an Ayreon album?
those drums still sound like crap :(
Anyone wanna guess which songs some of those clips came from? At least one is really obvious since it was the chorus. :lol Any guesses on the others? :corn
0:00 is from Descent of the NOMACS
0:13 is Dystopian Overture, probably going to be repeated later on.
0:24 is another snippet from Dystopian Overture
0:27 has to be from Descent of the NOMACS
0:34 not sure. Maybe Dystopian Overture again
1:07 and 1:20....Dystopian Overture?
If I guess DO enough times, one of them has to be right ;D
Can't wait for the album release to hear the music but really have very little interest in all this "role playing fantasy world" animation and story. SFAM was a classic concept album because it dealt with a subject that was very "real world" and relevant to many MANY poeple around the world whereas this is just pure fantasy world fiction. Its great if you like that sort of thing and I know many do (and good luck to them too) but I have absolutely no interest in it.
BUT like I say, I am very excited about the MUSIC and feel that the album could well be their best for a very long time, so however cringe worthy this "trailer and animations" are, I am still super excited about the 29th :)
Can't wait for the album release to hear the music but really have very little interest in all this "role playing fantasy world" animation and story. SFAM was a classic concept album because it dealt with a subject that was very "real world"
Can't wait for the album release to hear the music but really have very little interest in all this "role playing fantasy world" animation and story. SFAM was a classic concept album because it dealt with a subject that was very "real world" and relevant to many MANY poeple around the world whereas this is just pure fantasy world fiction. Its great if you like that sort of thing and I know many do (and good luck to them too) but I have absolutely no interest in it.
BUT like I say, I am very excited about the MUSIC and feel that the album could well be their best for a very long time, so however cringe worthy this "trailer and animations" are, I am still super excited about the 29th :)
Can't wait for the album release to hear the music but really have very little interest in all this "role playing fantasy world" animation and story. SFAM was a classic concept album because it dealt with a subject that was very "real world" and relevant to many MANY poeple around the world whereas this is just pure fantasy world fiction. Its great if you like that sort of thing and I know many do (and good luck to them too) but I have absolutely no interest in it.
BUT like I say, I am very excited about the MUSIC and feel that the album could well be their best for a very long time, so however cringe worthy this "trailer and animations" are, I am still super excited about the 29th :)
Im not sure I agree SFAM was anything "real world" sure the emotions were (I'd imagine the emotions of the characters in this will be as well), but I don't think there is anything real world about souls living on through different people.
role playing fantasy
not that much though... yt audio is around 150kbps which is decent - not expecting huge improvement on the CD. not as bad as dt12 but still pretty bad.those drums still sound like crap :(
Youtube will make them sound bad anyway. the quality drop and compression on audio on YT is enormous.
can't we just wait for the album and be happy that the guys are trying to keep things fresh and add some variety for us????? Would it be better if there were no portraits maps and vids?......sheesh
Hundreds of thousands of people over the years have "believed" they have lived before and have undergone regression sessions to try to recall their "past lives" so i think that "story" is a little more relevant to the "real world" than the role playing fantasy story we are going to get with "The Astonishing"!!
But there you go, each to their own "real world" I guess!!
I'm just glad that I don't have to eat my man-meat!
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.I'm glad you said that because after I watched the trailer, I thought: Sounds exactly like DT, nothing new here :lol
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
You know, I often see the same argument about the general fantasy books with magic and dragons and whatever. I mean, if you dislike the setting, then fine, alright, maybe it's not for you, but in a lot of cases isn't not about the setting at all. It could be some fantasy medieval world, it could be a sci-fi dystopian world, it could be another planet and another race entirely, it could be a realistic setting in a World War II, it could be anything - the story isn't about the world. The setting, the world are just the instruments to fledge out the story. It could be a pickingant dramatic tale about the struggle of two opposite factions and how it affects people - something that often happens in the real world, hell, something that happens in some countries right now - despite the fact it's set in some future with the flying orbs that play weird noise music. You make it sound like "pure fantasy world fiction" can't be relevant to many many people around the world.
Of course, it could be a total cheese-fest, but I don't know how you can discard an important aspect of the album released by one of your favourite bands just after you found out about the setting. I'll avoid judging the story before I've heard the full story.
And yeah, SFAM is indeed a classic concept album for many of people here, but for me it's definitely not because "it dealt with a subject that was very real world". For what it's worth, all the SFAM very "real world" was just a setting too, and the story wasn't exactly about that.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
I don't think I saw anyone mention that the "clock kid" is now revealed on the site as well. His name is Xander.
EDIT: Also, the map is complete.
Man, those Nomacs look super pissed.
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-11%20at%201.32.05%20PM_zpsktim5fhi.png~original)
And the video is updated with the trailer, so one video left, assumed (or known to be) a music video right?
You know, I often see the same argument about the general fantasy books with magic and dragons and whatever. I mean, if you dislike the setting, then fine, alright, maybe it's not for you, but in a lot of cases isn't not about the setting at all. It could be some fantasy medieval world, it could be a sci-fi dystopian world, it could be another planet and another race entirely, it could be a realistic setting in a World War II, it could be anything - the story isn't about the world. The setting, the world are just the instruments to fledge out the story. It could be a pickingant dramatic tale about the struggle of two opposite factions and how it affects people - something that often happens in the real world, hell, something that happens in some countries right now - despite the fact it's set in some future with the flying orbs that play weird noise music. You make it sound like "pure fantasy world fiction" can't be relevant to many many people around the world.
Of course, it could be a total cheese-fest, but I don't know how you can discard an important aspect of the album released by one of your favourite bands just after you found out about the setting. I'll avoid judging the story before I've heard the full story.
And yeah, SFAM is indeed a classic concept album for many of people here, but for me it's definitely not because "it dealt with a subject that was very real world". For what it's worth, all the SFAM very "real world" was just a setting too, and the story wasn't exactly about that.
FTFY
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
First off, I've noticed that after watching the trailer, some of you have said things to the effect of "the concept is gonna be bad". You can't honestly judge the story off of the animation style, no matter how wonky and clunky it looks. You just can't. I'm sure the story is gonna be sweet.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
I'm liking the sound of this. When does the embargo lift so you can post your review Noxon? 18 days :metal
Man, those Nomacs look super pissed.
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w265/llamabearduck/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-11%20at%201.32.05%20PM_zpsktim5fhi.png~original)
:metal
The NOMACS look pretty cool throughout the entire video IMO.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
:( Despite being extremely underwhelmed by the animations and storyline, I AM very excited and stoked for the music but that's a little disappointing to hear you say that, especially when you say it "ENTIRELY MISREPRESENTS" the album :(
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
:( Despite being extremely underwhelmed by the animations and storyline, I AM very excited and stoked for the music but that's a little disappointing to hear you say that, especially when you say it "ENTIRELY MISREPRESENTS" the album :(
Which is EXACTLY why I'm making that statement! I mean, obviously these parts exist, but the trailer makes it seem like this is what the album sounds like. Its absolutely not. There's a lack of dynamics - theres no piano and orchestra solo parts, theres no violin or flute or bagpipe, no acousttic guitars - and yet, everyone ive spoken to have pointed out just how much of THAT there is on the album. How little of the metal side we see.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
Yep, wise words - I've been listening to the album since mid-December and I was thinking the same thing when I saw the trailer.
I'll say it now....I have a feeling this album is going to be a MAJOR disappointment! :censored
Still waiting for something more, that's not enough to understand the identity of the album... However, the release date is not so far!!!
Talking about the graphics, what can I say....?! :rollin
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12400523_10207124823072037_9195706707622978505_n.jpg?oh=a90116ad9ff12a01540efc8ed536136c&oe=56FD181F)
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
:( Despite being extremely underwhelmed by the animations and storyline, I AM very excited and stoked for the music but that's a little disappointing to hear you say that, especially when you say it "ENTIRELY MISREPRESENTS" the album :(
Which is EXACTLY why I'm making that statement! I mean, obviously these parts exist, but the trailer makes it seem like this is what the album sounds like. Its absolutely not. There's a lack of dynamics - theres no piano and orchestra solo parts, theres no violin or flute or bagpipe, no acousttic guitars - and yet, everyone ive spoken to have pointed out just how much of THAT there is on the album. How little of the metal side we see.
Yeah seriously, wtf. This is the equivalent of people who hate metal music saying about the trailer "ugh I hate that death metal stuff, it's all just noise and angry shouting".role playing fantasy
I have no idea what this means in the context of this album or what we are discussing in this thread.
Had an interview with John Petrucci today. Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing. The album is mastered at a lower volume than A Dramatic Turn Of Events and Dream Theater, making it more dynamic. Petrucci wrote all the lyrics. Rudess and Petrucci wrote all the the music." . . . second solo album has been written!" That's great news. I really had given up on it. I can wait now that I know it's been written, especially because I'll have TA to listen to.
Besides that: Petrucci's second solo album has been written! He wanted to have it recorded by now, but he didn't have the time to record it yet, because The Astonishing took him longer than expected. Probably will take more than a year as Dream Theater is going full throttle now.
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Talking about the graphics, what can I say....?! :rollin
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Yeah seriously, wtf. This is the equivalent of people who hate metal music saying about the trailer "ugh I hate that death metal stuff, it's all just noise and angry shouting".role playing fantasy
I have no idea what this means in the context of this album or what we are discussing in this thread.
Talking about the graphics, what can I say....?! :rollin
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Have you never seen portals "On the Backs of Ravens"?
But for me, it's just not even close to their other concept albums.Yeah, all those other concept albums they've done.
But for me, it's just not even close to their other concept albums.Yeah, all those other concept albums they've done.
But for me, it's just not even close to their other concept albums.Yeah, all those other concept albums they've done.
Talking about the graphics, what can I say....?! :rollin
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Have you never seen portals "On the Backs of Ravens"?
Still waiting for something more, that's not enough to understand the identity of the album... However, the release date is not so far!!!
Talking about the graphics, what can I say....?! :rollin
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But for me, it's just not even close to their other concept albums.Yeah, all those other concept albums they've done.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
I love the music in the trailer by the way. It really sounds great.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
Yeah and at a much higher ticket price!!!! :tdwn
Are we quite sure Xander is meant to be riding that raven? From that still it looks like it might be suggesting he can read the ravens mind or taken its form something. Will have to rematch video.
Edit: rewatched and can't decide! :-\
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
No encore? So the whole show will be closer to 2 hours than 3? No opener? That doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
It is silly to dismiss an album based on a few snippets and stuff, but ... let me put it this way, most of what I've seen so far, the music would have to *make up* for it.
It is silly to dismiss an album based on a few snippets and stuff, but ... let me put it this way, most of what I've seen so far, the music would have to *make up* for it.
This is pretty much where I'm at with it too.
Earlier in the thread, someone asked something along the lines of "Would it be better if there were no portraits and maps and videos?".
At this point, for me... yes?
Ok maybe I mispoke...I could care less if its a concept album or not. And yes I have heard the whole album. I was referring to Scenes From A Memory and SDOIT. I sat and listened to that album when it came out and couldn't get out of my car until it was over. This one I have none of those feelings.
Whether you guys believe me is irrelevant. I'm just giving you guys my honest opinion after listening to it 3 times, which takes a lot of time. The hype for thing thing has been massive and was massive for me before hearing it. I really want to love it, but every time I listen to it, I just am not engaged. I just am simply rendering my opinion and if after everyone hears it they disagree fine. I have a feeling I won't be the only one who feels this way. And honestly I'm angry I don't like it. I couldn't sleep after listening to it the first time. I thought I may has "missed" something, but after repeated listens, I now know I didn't. Curious how the official reviews are.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
No encore? So the whole show will be closer to 2 hours than 3? No opener? That doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
It has been said multiple times that the album is two hours and ten minutes long. Add an intermission (which has been announced as well) and you're looking to a 2,5 hour show. My guess is that some songs will have an extra solo or maybe a short rehearsed jam (but I'm not sure). With that in mind you'll have a two hour and forty minute show, as has been announced as the official running time of the show.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
No encore? So the whole show will be closer to 2 hours than 3? No opener? That doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
I'm approaching the music and the characters/videos as quite separate. It's like a CD booklet come to life. That's all it is. At the end of the day, it will be about the music. It always is.Quote for truth.
Commander Arhys just tweeted saying Xander is his son.
Also first post, hey guys!
Case in point that the actual mp3 sounds miles head of the youtube stream for The Gift of Music.those drums still sound like crap :(
Youtube will make them sound bad anyway. the quality drop and compression on audio on YT is enormous.
Commander Arhys just tweeted saying Xander is his son.
Also first post, hey guys!
Then Arhys and Evangeline are probably married, with Xander as their son.
First off, I've noticed that after watching the trailer, some of you have said things to the effect of "the concept is gonna be bad". You can't honestly judge the story off of the animation style, no matter how wonky and clunky it looks. You just can't. I'm sure the story is gonna be sweet.I just see it as people trying to find something to complain about.
I know the metal heads won't like it.
I know the metal heads won't like it.I'm a metal head, and I love what I've heard.
Same here. I like metal but don't want that all the time - even in the same song. I like the variety we get from DT. Throw is a couple of good head banging riffs and i'm good.I know the metal heads won't like it.
I'm a metal head and I'm looking forward to this very much. I can get my metal elsewhere. I do not need it, or even want it from DT. What I do want from DT is all of the non metal stuff that I can enjoy in bits, within a hard rock framework.
I have been a DT fan since before I&W, as I am from Long Island. I want to start by saying this. This album for me is one of their worst. I, for the life of me, cannot get into it. I have a bad feeling that a lot of people will feel this way after hearing the entire thing. It seems sterile and uninspired to me. Some of the melodies sound familiar like we have heard them before. I'm sorry, but this is my opinion. Not to say that there aren't some good moments on the CD, there are. However, the album being the length it is has many moments that I really felt bored. I've never said that listening to DT before. I just don't have much desire to go back and listen to it again and again, which for me is the telling tale.DUDE. It's not even released yet. You're so full of it. :lol
I am curious to see other peoples reactions when everyone hears it though. But for me, it's just not even close to their other concept albums. I'm very disappointed.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
No encore? So the whole show will be closer to 2 hours than 3? No opener? That doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
It has been said multiple times that the album is two hours and ten minutes long. Add an intermission (which has been announced as well) and you're looking to a 2,5 hour show. My guess is that some songs will have an extra solo or maybe a short rehearsed jam (but I'm not sure). With that in mind you'll have a two hour and forty minute show, as has been announced as the official running time of the show.
I'd gladly accept some jams/extended solos... but given the setting, I'm not entirely sure it fits. If they have a full video and presentation, it reminds me of a bit bigger version of the last show and that means following the script on the dot. Granted they did do the ToT jam and extended/changed the SDV outro, but this is the essentially live premiere of the entire album. My guess is that the show is exactly like the album and then one song encore like Metropolis or something. I can't imagine them not playing a single song besides the new album. Come to think of it, I've only ever been to one concert where the headliner did not do an encore, that was Offspring when they played the entire Smash album, yet that album is short so after the album was like a greatest hits set... but still no encore. I find it strange.
I know the metal heads won't like it.Not sure about these statements; I think what you mean is that people who only like those things probably won't like it. I'm a metalhead who enjoys a good prog instrumental, but I love a ton of other stuff too, including entirely unrelated genres.
I know the people who are into the long instrumental wankoff sessions won't like it.
I know the metal heads won't like it.I'm a metal head, and I love what I've heard.
Had an interview with John Petrucci today. Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing. The album is mastered at a lower volume than A Dramatic Turn Of Events and Dream Theater, making it more dynamic. Petrucci wrote all the lyrics. Rudess and Petrucci wrote all the the music.
Besides that: Petrucci's second solo album has been written! He wanted to have it recorded by now, but he didn't have the time to record it yet, because The Astonishing took him longer than expected. Probably will take more than a year as Dream Theater is going full throttle now.
Some info I can share: during liveshows there will be no encore, they will solely be about The Astonishing.
Could have been the icing on the cake, but I'm fine either way.
Within the context of the show, I'd say it would feel more like icing on a stake.
No encore? So the whole show will be closer to 2 hours than 3? No opener? That doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm sure a lot is going into the show so asking for more might be much, but we all know they can perform closer to 3 hours (2 hours 45 minutes) from thier previous evening with shows.
It has been said multiple times that the album is two hours and ten minutes long. Add an intermission (which has been announced as well) and you're looking to a 2,5 hour show. My guess is that some songs will have an extra solo or maybe a short rehearsed jam (but I'm not sure). With that in mind you'll have a two hour and forty minute show, as has been announced as the official running time of the show.
I'd gladly accept some jams/extended solos... but given the setting, I'm not entirely sure it fits. If they have a full video and presentation, it reminds me of a bit bigger version of the last show and that means following the script on the dot. Granted they did do the ToT jam and extended/changed the SDV outro, but this is the essentially live premiere of the entire album. My guess is that the show is exactly like the album and then one song encore like Metropolis or something. I can't imagine them not playing a single song besides the new album. Come to think of it, I've only ever been to one concert where the headliner did not do an encore, that was Offspring when they played the entire Smash album, yet that album is short so after the album was like a greatest hits set... but still no encore. I find it strange.
Transcript from today's interview with Petrucci:
"This album, you know, we want to do something different. We've been touring for a long time. We've been a band for over thirty years and have done the traditional sort of show and this one is going to be different. This one is going to be sort of the way that Pink Floyd did with The Wall where we go out and we're presenting this album only, live. So, that's why we titled it 'Dream Theater presents The Astonishing Live'. It's in two acts. There is an intermission, but there is no encore. It's just the show. It's kinda like going to see an opera or musical where you're seeing a show. You know, we want to be really clear with people that this is something different. Again, very special venues and us presenting this album in its entirety and it's gonna be a different event and give our fans something different."
I just see it as people trying to find something to complain about.
It also depends on what kind of metal we are talking about. I HATE NU Metal but I love 80's Metal (Maiden, Metallica).Why would he refer to Nu-Metal? :lol
I would imagine when Noxon said the Metalheads won't like it he is referring to NU metal because DT has always been a metal band even with I&W... it was just hair metal.
Transcript from today's interview with Petrucci:
"This album, you know, we want to do something different. We've been touring for a long time. We've been a band for over thirty years and have done the traditional sort of show and this one is going to be different. This one is going to be sort of the way that Pink Floyd did with The Wall where we go out and we're presenting this album only, live. So, that's why we titled it 'Dream Theater presents The Astonishing Live'. It's in two acts. There is an intermission, but there is no encore. It's just the show. It's kinda like going to see an opera or musical where you're seeing a show. You know, we want to be really clear with people that this is something different. Again, very special venues and us presenting this album in its entirety and it's gonna be a different event and give our fans something different."
Thanks for sharing... that is somewhat disappointing. I am not going to cry for not seeing Metropilis again, but just thought there would be an extra song considering the album length isn't the length of a typical evening with DT show.
It is silly to dismiss an album based on a few snippets and stuff, but ... let me put it this way, most of what I've seen so far, the music would have to *make up* for it. This whole thing seems to position itself in an area I am not a big fan of at all.
2 hours and 40 minutes isn't long enough ?!
2 hours and 40 minutes isn't long enough ?!
I'm approaching the music and the characters/videos as quite separate. It's like a CD booklet come to life. That's all it is. At the end of the day, it will be about the music. It always is.
I know the metal heads won't like it.
I know the people who are into the long instrumental wankoff sessions won't like it.
I know people who have not liked much of DT's output for the past 10 years have been very positive when they've heard stuff.
2 hours and 40 minutes isn't long enough ?!
This. How many 3 hour DT shows have I been to? 1. All of the others were shorter. 2.5 hours is a long concert.
I was at 20th anniversary show as well, that wasn't even 3 hours if I remember right. And that was a long show.
Everything Noxon posts keeps lowering my hype more and more. :lol
To anyone who has heard the album: how does the "average heavyness" compare to TGOM? Is it heavier, softer or about the same as that track?
So Ravenskill is called the way it is because their people literally have skills at riding giant ravens? Am I getting this right?
To anyone who has heard the album: how does the "average heavyness" compare to TGOM? Is it heavier, softer or about the same as that track?
It is a bit tricky to answer from the promo I have, and here's why: the album just has a different kind of sound that is neither "heavy" nor "not heavy." I heard lots of heavy moments in songs, but they are part of these huge, grand-sounding soundscapes that, when put together, might not really register as a typical "heavy song." For example, there is one song in particular that you guys heard snippets of in a couple of different spots of that trailer. Those snippets by themselves do not really signal that it is a "heavy" song. But there are also some REALLY cool chunky, heavy riffs in that song that are typical of DT's heavy sound, and they are mixed in with the big symphonic sounding stuff, the soft piano parts, and all the other different elements of that same song.
So..."heavy" is a bit hard to quantify on this album, but I would say there is a fair amount that is heavier than TGOM.
So Ravenskill is called the way it is because their people literally have skills at riding giant ravens? Am I getting this right?
On such a sad day with the news about Bowie, this observation has made me laugh so much. Thanks.
...although I get the feeling that it will be DT's most divisive album by far from what I keep seeing.
Noxon said:
How anyone can decide that the album is bad after three listens is beyond me. It's 2 hours and 10 minutes of music.
Then again, this is exactly the kind of reaction I expect from this album. This is why I've tried so hard to let people know what it is (or isn't).
I know the metal heads won't like it.
I know the people who are into the long instrumental wankoff sessions won't like it.
I know people who have not liked much of DT's output for the past 10 years have been very positive when they've heard stuff.
I didn't say it was bad, first of all. None of DT's album are "bad"
I am not necessarily a metalhead, but this has nothing to do with not liking ballads, etc. I've liked all of DT's output, but this is very different and that was what was said before. I, for one just don't find a lot of the melodies that good. Only a few stuck with me. However, I've only heard it three times and my opinion may change, but I don't think it would still be at all near my favorites of theirs.
...although I get the feeling that it will be DT's most divisive album by far from what I keep seeing.
It could very well be. But the one thing I am taking away from this thread is that no one seems to have the time for music anymore.
I have had A Savior In the Square and Moment of Betrayal stuck in my head for days now. SO good...
I have had A Savior In the Square and Moment of Betrayal stuck in my head for days now. SO good...
Goddamnit bosk, you're making me even more hyped. :lol
For some reason, latest noxon's posts made me a bit sad. Luckily, Bosk is there to give me hope with his posts lol.
I've appreciated DT because of their "technical wankery ", not because I'm some prog metal lunatic, but because I really find meaning in that when DT does it. Does "the Reckoning" from ITPOE pt 2 qualify as wankery? Cause that's the most beautiful thing from DT I ever heard. Somehow, I think that DT has always put their most brilliant musical moments in parts like that. Even reminds me of Chopin
However, I'd be fine if there are those beautiful not very heavy moments, just like Blind Faith "and still life pushes on...". But it's DT, they will do it for sure. The only thing I hope is that they didn't sacrifice music to make great story. I want MUSIC to be something that tells it's own story.
I have faith in DT, it may be different, it may not be heavy, it may be odd noises... but DT have not let me down and I do not expect to be left down.... The Gift of Music is an amazing track, so I wouldn't let your hopes down because someone says they don't like it or someone says it's not too heavy. It is still DT.
To me, the music does seem to tell the story, kinda in the way we are used to with DT's music, but kinda in the same way as the score of a movie or show as well.
But look, here's what I would say generally in response to almost everybody: Whatever it is about DT that made you like them in the first place, it is probably on this album to some extent. This album sounds like DT. But they also took a different approach that makes it sound like something a bit different at the same time. The first time I listened to the songs, the two terms "Dream Theater" and "rock opera" seemed to both fit perfectly. While Noxon and I (and others who may have heard some or all of the album) could try and answer each and every person's questions about whether it will fit your own personal tastes, I think the bottom line is that that question can't really be answered by anyone but you after you hear the album, but the odds are good that if you are a fan of the band, you should easily be able to find things you like a lot about this album. And if for some reason you end up being one of the few folks who comes away thinking, "I like a lot of the band's stuff, but this one just doesn't do it for me," it isn't like the band has somehow reinvented themselves and plans to do "The Astonishing II," "The Astonishing III," etc. Next album will, in all likelihood sound a lot more like the DT you fell in love with at first, and all will be well again. :) But in the mean time, there will surely be a lot of things on this album most if not all fans can really enjoy, so let's enjoy it and applaud the band for doing something outside the box, especially so late in their career. :tiojorge:
Hey Bosk, have you heard the whole album or just some of it?
Because I'm wondering your thoughts on DT returning to the world that they've been building with The Astonishing?
To anyone who has heard the album: how does the "average heavyness" compare to TGOM? Is it heavier, softer or about the same as that track?
It is a bit tricky to answer from the promo I have, and here's why: the album just has a different kind of sound that is neither "heavy" nor "not heavy." I heard lots of heavy moments in songs, but they are part of these huge, grand-sounding soundscapes that, when put together, might not really register as a typical "heavy song." For example, there is one song in particular that you guys heard snippets of in a couple of different spots of that trailer. Those snippets by themselves do not really signal that it is a "heavy" song. But there are also some REALLY cool chunky, heavy riffs in that song that are typical of DT's heavy sound, and they are mixed in with the big symphonic sounding stuff, the soft piano parts, and all the other different elements of that same song.
So..."heavy" is a bit hard to quantify on this album, but I would say there is a fair amount that is heavier than TGOM.
Hey Bosk, have you heard the whole album or just some of it?
Only some.Because I'm wondering your thoughts on DT returning to the world that they've been building with The Astonishing?
What do you mean? Do you mean like a follow up album later? If so, I would hope not. No matter how cool the concept, the idea of revisiting it later on seems like a bad idea to me. Mindcrime II, for example, was a disaster despite having some cool ideas and some good songs. The problem is, the story in Mindcrime was done. And by the time Geoff Tate got around to writing Mindcrime II, he was in a completely different headspace, so it didn't match up well with the original. Ultimately, it ended up feeling like a half-baked cash grab. That isn't to say a multi-album approach can't work. For example, I thought Charlie Dominicci had a set of albums with his O3 trilogy that worked well (despite some of the misgivings I have about the story). But the difference there is that he had the framework of the entire story and had it planned as a trilogy from the outset. So when he went and wrote and recorded the two subsequent parts, they still fit his overall vision seamlessly and were necessary parts. What I think you are talking about is more akin to the Mindrime II scenario, which I think would be a bad idea.
To anyone who has heard the album: how does the "average heavyness" compare to TGOM? Is it heavier, softer or about the same as that track?
It is a bit tricky to answer from the promo I have, and here's why: the album just has a different kind of sound that is neither "heavy" nor "not heavy." I heard lots of heavy moments in songs, but they are part of these huge, grand-sounding soundscapes that, when put together, might not really register as a typical "heavy song." For example, there is one song in particular that you guys heard snippets of in a couple of different spots of that trailer. Those snippets by themselves do not really signal that it is a "heavy" song. But there are also some REALLY cool chunky, heavy riffs in that song that are typical of DT's heavy sound, and they are mixed in with the big symphonic sounding stuff, the soft piano parts, and all the other different elements of that same song.
So..."heavy" is a bit hard to quantify on this album, but I would say there is a fair amount that is heavier than TGOM.
Sounds to me like a "Finally Free" type of thing where if you hear the last riff you'd think it's a heavier song, but if you hear the one last time reprise you'd think it's a ballad
for those that have heard the album. Which song do you think they will release as the single in the last video spot?
Bosk, think of an Ayreon type scenario, where DT do another album set in the same world but doesn't continue the story of Aryhys or Nafaryus. Instead we get a story that loosely connects to the world that the Astonishing is set in.
Eg. Kind of like if the Astonishing was The Final Experiment which was followed by Into the electric castle, which is a different story but the same world.
What would you think then?
I hate to say it, but my excitement level for this record has been pretty low, and seeing that trailer didn't elevate it all.
Hello again.
I Won't comment on the music until I hear the full album.
But with visuals that poor, I mean, why even bother? I almost feel a little embarrassed for them.
I hate to say it, but my excitement level for this record has been pretty low, and seeing that trailer didn't elevate it all.Hello again.
I Won't comment on the music until I hear the full album.
But with visuals that poor, I mean, why even bother? I almost feel a little embarrassed for them.
Same. It'd be cool if blob did those effects instead.
From what I understand, it has enough metal riffs and parts to make me happy while keeping that original-sound shorter-song type melodic arrangement that DT does. I'm a metal head as well, but I love when DT is dynamic.I know the metal heads won't like it.I'm a metal head, and I love what I've heard.
let's applaud the band for doing something outside the box, especially so late in their career.
It would be nice to hear Blob's opinion on the visual stuff.
If all you care about is weedly weedly or chugga chugga, maybe you'll be disappointed it doesn't have enough, but that's not the album's problem. :biggrin:
If all you care about is weedly weedly or chugga chugga, maybe you'll be disappointed it doesn't have enough, but that's not the album's problem. :biggrin:
What if all I care about is whahibrido pickingant? Will I like it?
I do not post much here, but lurk. But will say this is the BEST source of DT info. I respect opinions, enthusiasm, or lack of etc. ,,As a fan since 1988, there are things I love and some I just say hey, they are DT and roll with it. I will be honest and say I am a HUGE DT guy, in their best and worst. That said, I find it oddly, yet not surprising, the amount of criticism on an album that for the most part only few have heard. How can you pre judge something you have not heard, seen etc. I equate it to a wedding reception. Regardless how much the couple spends on it, 1/2 will like it, 1/2 will not. So be it. DT fans are fickle. Why do people let others make up a pre conceived notion in their mind how good an album will be. I never have understood that. Wait to hear and in this case. see the finished product. If you do not like it, that is up to you. If you like it, that is up to you. I never understood the concept of, well he/she thinks it is good or bad so I will roll with it. If you like or dislike after hearing it in its entirety, who am I to judge what you think. It is a personal call. I , and call me odd, do not put much thought into what others think is good or bad. If I like it I do, if not well then I do not. That is my choice. Do not be a sheep.
In my head I've been saying "Ravens-kill", but in the video they say "Raven-skill".
Raven-skill sounds funny.
You know, I often see the same argument about the general fantasy books with magic and dragons and whatever. I mean, if you dislike the setting, then fine, alright, maybe it's not for you, but in a lot of cases isn't not about the setting at all. It could be some fantasy medieval world, it could be a sci-fi dystopian world, it could be another planet and another race entirely, it could be a realistic setting in a World War II, it could be anything - the story isn't about the world. The setting, the world are just the instruments to fledge out the story. It could be a poignant dramatic tale about the struggle of two opposite factions and how it affects people - something that often happens in the real world, hell, something that happens in some countries right now - despite the fact it's set in some future with the flying orbs that play weird noise music. You make it sound like "pure fantasy world fiction" can't be relevant to many many people around the world.
Of course, it could be a total cheese-fest, but I don't know how you can discard an important aspect of the album released by one of your favourite bands just after you found out about the setting. I'll avoid judging the story before I've heard the full story.
And yeah, SFAM is indeed a classic concept album for many of people here, but for me it's definitely not because "it dealt with a subject that was very real world". For what it's worth, all the SFAM very "real world" was just a setting too, and the story wasn't exactly about that.
How anyone can decide that the album is bad after three listens is beyond me. It's 2 hours and 10 minutes of music.
Then again, this is exactly the kind of reaction I expect from this album. This is why I've tried so hard to let people know what it is (or isn't).
I know the metal heads won't like it.
I know the people who are into the long instrumental wankoff sessions won't like it.
I know people who have not liked much of DT's output for the past 10 years have been very positive when they've heard stuff.
The one gripe I have with the trailer is that it entirely misrepresents what the album is going to sound like. I get that it's because the melodic ballady stuff isn't exciting - but if you go out expecting a Prog metal bombastic album (which this trailer implies), well, you WILL be disappointed.
I'm actually glad they did this. I've been reading all your mentions of clean melodic music, and I'm really excited that when I hear it on the 29th, it'll be for the first time.
a TRU metalhead would never admit to liking Dream Theater.
The blinking. The BLINKING!! hahaha, I hope to see the characters blinking in the live 3D projection in the stage show.
a TRU metalhead would never admit to liking Dream Theater.
FTFY..
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
The blinking. The BLINKING!! hahaha, I hope to see the characters blinking in the live 3D projection in the stage show.
Yes! :lol
The scene with the kid riding the bird looks like something out of Frisky Dingo :rollin
Concerning the visuals, keep in mind they have over 2 hours of music to fill with video to tell the story, which is a tall order for the time and money. This also isn't in the context it was designed and intended for, so it's not how it would be experienced live.
So the Rudess-Petrucci writing all the music means JM and MM did nothing but playing over what the others had done?
164 pages in and where ALMOST there!!!! :metal
I'm reading comments of people being disappointed the shows will ONLY be 2 hrs 40 minutes long? Seriously?? FFS, go watch a f' in dvd and jerk off to it. The band is trying something new, somethfawing a bit different. Deal with it.
I agree with noxon that the trailer didn't fully represent the album, but it's nice to finally have some new snippets out there. I was listening to the trailer, and aside from the snippet from Dystopian Overture, none of them are even from the songs I've heard and have been getting excited about over the thread. It doesn't show all of the variety, or many of the vocal sections which make up the vast majority of the album. Don't judge the album negatively based on a few seconds out of a 2+ hour album! I can't remember the last time I liked snippets, because they're out of context and too brief.
I disagree with noxon that metal fans will hate the album, unless you want to stereotype metal fans as incredibly narrow. While the metal isn't predominant, there are still some great headbanging moments. Perhaps if the only DT albums you like are TOT and SC, you'll hate it.
But if you enjoy beautiful melodic music, I think you'll love it. If all you care about is weedly weedly or chugga chugga, maybe you'll be disappointed it doesn't have enough, but that's not the album's problem. :biggrin:
Concerning the visuals, keep in mind they have over 2 hours of music to fill with video to tell the story, which is a tall order for the time and money. This also isn't in the context it was designed and intended for, so it's not how it would be experienced live.
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
New review...in Greek!
https://www.rockhard.gr/%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%AC%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82-%CE%B4%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%89%CE%BD/dream-theater-%E2%80%93-%E2%80%9C-astonishing%E2%80%9D-roadrunner
9/10
:metal :metal :metal
doesn't that say 9.5/10?
Love the last part (via google translate anyway) :-
"Once again leaders. Once again, the absolute gods ..."
"Ruined my life, 10/10"
doesn't that say 9.5/10?
Love the last part (via google translate anyway) :-
"Once again leaders. Once again, the absolute gods ..."
Probably there are 3 reviews...
1) 9,5
2) 9
3) NA but sounds good..:)
FTFY..
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
Music is the gift they bring..
the gift they bring..
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
Yeah, not quite sure what people are expecting. It's expensive and time-consuming enough to sit in a studio for a year writing a 2+ hour album. God forbid DT doesn't release a full HD movie in Dolby 7.1 with Hollywood actors to go with it. You really have to expect that the artwork (which is fantastic by my standards already) is just there to tell the story and not aimed at winning an Oscar.
If they did that, people would be complaining about the price.
I have found over the years that 99% of pre-release reviews are unabashedly positive, no matter the actual quality of the album.
I have found over the years that 99% of pre-release reviews are unabashedly positive, no matter the actual quality of the album.
Except for the reviews from melodicrock.com. They're known for their harsh judging.
I have found over the years that 99% of pre-release reviews are unabashedly positive, no matter the actual quality of the album.
Except for the reviews from melodicrock.com. They're known for their harsh judging.
If it's not formulaic and predictable cookie cutter stuff , it can expect to be dealt with harshly ;D They're the only albums that don't get a 90%+
I have found over the years that 99% of pre-release reviews are unabashedly positive, no matter the actual quality of the album.
Since almost everyone keep bashing the video I''ll say tha shadow person throwing a hammer(?) looks pretty cool. And every scene with no human(and especially animal) character looks decent.
I'm sure there's an embargo on poor reviews before the thing is out.There isn't.
forgive me if this has been answered, but for those that have the promo or advanced copies, is there narration on the album or no?
While there's something to be said for adjusting expectations for something that's working within limitations, there comes a point where, if you can't do something to a certain standard, maybe you just shouldn't do it. No one is expecting "hollywood actors". Literally no one is saying anything like that. No one is expecting Pixar level presentation here.a TRU metalhead would never admit to liking Dream Theater.
FTFY..
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
Yeah, not quite sure what people are expecting. It's expensive and time-consuming enough to sit in a studio for a year writing a 2+ hour album. God forbid DT doesn't release a full HD movie in Dolby 7.1 with Hollywood actors to go with it. You really have to expect that the artwork (which is fantastic by my standards already) is just there to tell the story and not aimed at winning an Oscar.
If they did that, people would be complaining about the price.
You're allowed to be critical of things you like.a TRU metalhead would never admit to liking Dream Theater.
FTFY..
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
a TRU metalhead would never admit to liking Dream Theater.
I would be way more excited about this album if I hadn't seen any of the marketing stuff they've released. Everything they've released has tempered my anticipation rather than raising it.
I keep reading so many complaints on the band's facebook page about how cheesy and terrible this will be. What is wrong with being cheesy? Personally I dive into cheesy stuff every now and then, but does that really make it a terrible thing? I like where they are going with this, but maybe that's just my inner nerd coming out. Either way everybody has their own opinion so we'll have to see how well this story turns out on the 29th.
I keep reading so many complaints on the band's facebook page about how cheesy and terrible this will be. What is wrong with being cheesy? Personally I dive into cheesy stuff every now and then, but does that really make it a terrible thing? I like where they are going with this, but maybe that's just my inner nerd coming out. Either way everybody has their own opinion so we'll have to see how well this story turns out on the 29th.
I keep reading so many complaints on the band's facebook page about how cheesy and terrible this will be. What is wrong with being cheesy? Personally I dive into cheesy stuff every now and then, but does that really make it a terrible thing? I like where they are going with this, but maybe that's just my inner nerd coming out. Either way everybody has their own opinion so we'll have to see how well this story turns out on the 29th.Cheesy can be great. Cheesy can be a lot of fun. There is plenty of super cheesy music and other media that I absolutely love.
I keep reading so many complaints on the band's facebook page about how cheesy and terrible this will be. What is wrong with being cheesy? Personally I dive into cheesy stuff every now and then, but does that really make it a terrible thing? I like where they are going with this, but maybe that's just my inner nerd coming out. Either way everybody has their own opinion so we'll have to see how well this story turns out on the 29th.Cheesy can be great. Cheesy can be a lot of fun. There is plenty of super cheesy music and other media that I absolutely love.
This is a whole other level though, at least for some people.
I'm really hoping the album proves me wrong, but so far it just all seems so self serious. Looking at the marketing material, I'm seeing a generic mishmash of fantasy tropes and cliches.
DT have plenty of material that is cheesy, that is also fantastic. The Count of Tuscany is a great example; that song is incredibly cheesy, and I love it. If they'd preceded it with this type of marketing campaign, I probably would have been very skeptical.
I hope I'm wrong, and I want to love this album. I've just found the marketing so far to be really off-putting.
"Never Enough" tells this story quite well...:)
Translated from Greek review:It this the one that people are saying is actually 3 reviews? If so, where do they start/stop for each?
For too many years, *snip* absolute gods ...
When you say it reminds of SDOIT, do you also think about solitary shell and about to crash reprise? Those instrumental sections, of course. I just want to lie down, chill, and enjoy beautiful melodies and solos like those are
The reviews and other comments have this long time DT fan pretty pumped. I would like to hear more about the sonic quality but
I can wait.
I'm also very happy that Dream Theater decided to include this all in one package. Periphery made a mistake by splitting up their double album into two separate purchases.
Wondering how they will handle the choir and strings and other instruments that they do not actually play. Will they leave those out in the live shows or have backing tracks for those parts.
Excited by the above reviews, but waiting for the reviews from the DT folks on this forum.
Because it was written in an entirely different way from before - from behind the piano with JP og JR...
The same is even more difficult task have the rest and especially Jordan Rudess. Everything starts and ends in it. The keys are everywhere here, as if the Petrucci handed him the keys of DREAM THEATER,
Wondering how they will handle the choir and strings and other instruments that they do not actually play. Will they leave those out in the live shows or have backing tracks for those parts.
Wondering how they will handle the choir and strings and other instruments that they do not actually play. Will they leave those out in the live shows or have backing tracks for those parts.
If I recall correctly, didn't someone say in some interview (JP probably) that they are NOT using backing tracks for the choral and orchestral parts?
nikatapi, can youtranslate the reviews better than those google translate ones ? ;)
Wondering how they will handle the choir and strings and other instruments that they do not actually play. Will they leave those out in the live shows or have backing tracks for those parts.
If I recall correctly, didn't someone say in some interview (JP probably) that they are NOT using backing tracks for the choral and orchestral parts?
Guys, if I win the powerball on Wednesday I'll pay for DT to tour with an orchestra, cool?
A past post in this thread did mention that JP said they would not use backing tracks, which I actually was kinda disappointed in. I don't mind them doing it since they put so much work into it and they playing Radio City in NY, would be great to hear even if just playback.
Since almost everyone keep bashing the video I''ll say tha shadow person throwing a hammer(?) looks pretty cool. And every scene with no human(and especially animal) character looks decent.
Since almost everyone keep bashing the video I''ll say tha shadow person throwing a hammer(?) looks pretty cool. And every scene with no human(and especially animal) character looks decent.
1984 Apple commercial. Anyone else notice that?
Evangeline seems to make the most sense since her eyes are closed.... right? And she has light around her
one of the character is a dead one...
Yo Noxon or whoever else has heard the thing, is there anything similar to the Illumination Theory Easter egg on the album?I asked the same question weeks ago and it was met with "obviously not, why would someone think that?" (not verbatim) by the people who've heard the recording.
Let us swallow my tongue then!
Yo Noxon or whoever else has heard the thing, is there anything similar to the Illumination Theory Easter egg on the album?I asked the same question weeks ago and it was met with "obviously not, why would someone think that?" (not verbatim) by the people who've heard the recording.
Just played the trailer again. I cracked up again when Nafaryus smirks his chin. :lol
I actually really like the trailer. A little goofy, but I like it.
smirks his chin
smirks his chin
Uh...what? :lol
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:P
:lol
:P
:lol
He does look like Connery. :lol
Evangeline seems to make the most sense since her eyes are closed.... right? And she has light around her
Since almost everyone keep bashing the video I''ll say tha shadow person throwing a hammer(?) looks pretty cool. And every scene with no human(and especially animal) character looks decent.
1984 Apple commercial. Anyone else notice that?
New French interview. I'll try and translate it tomorrow (and I'll finish the Rock Hard translation). https://www.radiometal.com/article/dream-theater-a-la-reconquete-du-trone,199464
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New French interview. I'll try and translate it tomorrow (and I'll finish the Rock Hard translation). https://www.radiometal.com/article/dream-theater-a-la-reconquete-du-trone,199464
Thanks for the link! :tup It was a very interesting read, especially the part about how Jordan minds work in term of musical ideas
We also get a little bit more about the general plot: In this sterile and soulless world, Gabriel (who seems to be a performer) is the hero who shows people the emotions, passion, happiness and hope that music brings. This worries Nafaryus who is now fearing an uprising.
Also Jordan mentionned that the album has an orchestra, a choir, a gospel choir, a young boy choir, a bagpipe player, cellos, a soprano singer and James Labrie.
New French interview. I'll try and translate it tomorrow (and I'll finish the Rock Hard translation). https://www.radiometal.com/article/dream-theater-a-la-reconquete-du-trone,199464
Thanks for the link! :tup It was a very interesting read, especially the part about how Jordan minds work in term of musical ideas
We also get a little bit more about the general plot: In this sterile and soulless world, Gabriel (who seems to be a performer) is the hero who shows people the emotions, passion, happiness and hope that music brings. This worries Nafaryus who is now fearing an uprising.
Also Jordan mentionned that the album has an orchestra, a choir, a gospel choir, a young boy choir, a bagpipe player, cellos, a soprano singer and James Labrie.
The album has James Labrie? WTF?!
About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
You're allowed to be critical of things you like.
In fact, if anything, you should be more critical of things you consider worthwhile.
We would love to have some music to disect and jump to conclusions about the whole album. Since this is all we have, we must look at the graphics and form opinions on the album that way.
Since almost everyone keep bashing the video I''ll say tha shadow person throwing a hammer(?) looks pretty cool. And every scene with no human(and especially animal) character looks decent.
1984 Apple commercial. Anyone else notice that?
Yeah and already said it a couple pages ago. Cheers.
However, TA is seemingly *all* about the plot
As such, the pictures on the site, the video, the map, they obviously factor heavily into the perception of the whole album.
What's the point of a trailer if it apparently has nothing to do with the thing it's a trailer for?About the video, I don't understand people complaining about the graphics and all the visual part.. Isn't Dream Theater a group of MUSIC?.. Who the f*ck cares about the videos they do?..
Music is the gift they bring..
Music..
You're allowed to be critical of things you like.
In fact, if anything, you should be more critical of things you consider worthwhile.
And I'm.. I'm very critical.. I don't like KM's songs e.g.. But in this case, I don't get the need to be critical towards something has nothing to do with the main (and only) art of the artists involved.. For the last time: they make music, not graphics.. So we should (and we do) judge their music.. Nothing else..We would love to have some music to disect and jump to conclusions about the whole album. Since this is all we have, we must look at the graphics and form opinions on the album that way.
Naa.. An album it consists of songs, not graphics or videos.. The booklet does consist of graphics, well, originally of lyrics and credits, which is still the main reason why they exists and are done, though having pictures or images makes it look better aesthetically.. But again, that's just a complement to what is really important.. Even the trailer of a movie.. That's not the movie, only a trailer.. So even if they released more snippets, an album trailer with more music or another single (the latter really surprises me hasn't arrived yet) all that would still be a short summary or a pinch of the album's music, but not the whole thing..
Stand patient.. Only 400 hours to wait.. :|
What's the point of a trailer if it apparently has nothing to do with the thing it's a trailer for?
Especially for something story driven, where they've been hyping up a visual stage show?
When you release promotional material for something, the entire point is to give the potential audience a taste; to evoke a sense of "If you like this, you'll want to check out the whole thing".
I'm not making a declarative decision on the whole album based on this stuff. I'm still going to listen to it and give it a fair shake. At the moment though, a person can only go on what has actually been released to the public.
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What's the point of a trailer if it apparently has nothing to do with the thing it's a trailer for?
Especially for something story driven, where they've been hyping up a visual stage show?
When you release promotional material for something, the entire point is to give the potential audience a taste; to evoke a sense of "If you like this, you'll want to check out the whole thing".
I'm not making a declarative decision on the whole album based on this stuff. I'm still going to listen to it and give it a fair shake. At the moment though, a person can only go on what has actually been released to the public.
I'm not saying it has nothing to do with the album.. It does.. But is not *the album* per se, which is the thing DT and, usually, the rest of the bands in the world do: an album.. Not a trailer to it..
So, while you're right about the trailer giving the potential audience a taste of the actual material, you still don't get my point.. Which is, simply, that my opinion about anything DT or any other band releases will be about the entire work they do.. Not just a part of it.. You don't judge a piece of an artwork, but the whole artwork..
The Bigger Picture.. Not only some of its parts..
nikatapi, can youtranslate the reviews better than those google translate ones ? ;)
I wonder the next video, what it will be??? any guesses??
nikatapi, can youtranslate the reviews better than those google translate ones ? ;)
I can this is true, but i'm pissed at Warner here in Greece that hasn't sent us the album yet due to an incredible unprofessionalism, so i'm not really keen on doing it right now, i would prefer adding my own review :biggrin: . The google translate ones can give you the main idea, and the reviewers are big fanboys, so i don't want to create more hype than what already exists.
Probably the preview to the Sequel, The Astonishing II: Emperor Nefaryus Strikes Back (Rise of the DARK MASTER).
Frankly, the negativity of some towards the video and the marketing beats the shit outta me. It's Dream Theater. Most of us interested enough in coming to a forum dedicated to the band, should probably know what they are all about by now. Is it awesome animation? No, its just basic animation based on some character artwork. South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times. Is it a little cheesy. Sure. But they've been doing this style of animation at shows for yonks now. It's not really a big surprise. Does it get me amped for the album though? Friggn' absolutely!
It's bloody Dream Theater - thats what they do, and thats whats made me be a fan since I&W. I'm looking forward to it, and I've loved the marketing strategy. It all feels grand, and it's above and beyond what most bands do. For those that may have unrealistic expectations, and already resigned themselves to thinking the album is not for them - oh well. All I know is come the 29th, I'll sit back with my headphones and an aged tequila and enjoy the shit out of the album. Like I have done for years.
Rant over. :biggrin:
South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times.
South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times.
Yeah, the problem is that the album trailer is funny too. At least South Park is supposed to be funny.
Frankly, the negativity of some towards the video and the marketing beats the shit outta me. It's Dream Theater. Most of us interested enough in coming to a forum dedicated to the band, should probably know what they are all about by now. Is it awesome animation? No, its just basic animation based on some character artwork. South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times. Is it a little cheesy. Sure. We're talking about a 'rock opera' here. But they've been doing this style of animation at shows for yonks now. It's not really a big surprise. Does it get me amped for the album though? Friggn' absolutely!i personally don't give a beep about some silly animation, but sound and music are equally important to me. so far i'm little bit worried (especially about the drums) and skeptical (previous 2 records were sub-par sonically and what i heard from TA so far isn't making me very thrilled - yeah, i know its yt and all but still...)
It's bloody Dream Theater - thats what they do, and thats whats made me be a fan since I&W. I'm looking forward to it, and I've loved the marketing strategy. It all feels grand, and it's above and beyond what most bands do. For those that may have unrealistic expectations, and already resigned themselves to thinking the album is not for them - oh well. All I know is come the 29th, I'll sit back with my headphones and an aged tequila and enjoy the shit out of the album. Like I have done for years.
Rant over. :biggrin:
South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times.
Yeah, the problem is that the album trailer is funny too. At least South Park is supposed to be funny.
Frankly, it's not like we'll get a feature film the 29th of january - We'll get an album with artwork. That's it. The animation doesn't need to be astonishing. The music needs to.
Also, am I the only one who likes the drum sound?
South Park borders on rubbish animation, but it doesn't stop it from being piss funny at times.
Yeah, the problem is that the album trailer is funny too. At least South Park is supposed to be funny.
I think the real problem with the drums is the snare, everything else sounds good.
I think the real problem with the drums is the snare, everything else sounds good.
It's a shame really, watching Mike play live in a clinic it makes you wonder what goes wrong during the mixing process of the albums, because he sounds so dynamic and powerful when you listen to his drums live.
We're also talking about a band who have animated alter egos such as a genie, a wizard and a pirate. So while the plot seems somewhat serious and grandiose, I would not be surprise if they threw in a bit of tongue-in-cheek stuff here and there.
Yeah, the problem is that the album trailer is funny too. At least South Park is supposed to be funny.
I think your confusing DT with other bands that have the revenue for what you want as a trailer. Lets not fools ourselves to think DT is rolling in the money to be artsy enough for you.
What's the point of a trailer if it apparently has nothing to do with the thing it's a trailer for?
Especially for something story driven, where they've been hyping up a visual stage show?
When you release promotional material for something, the entire point is to give the potential audience a taste; to evoke a sense of "If you like this, you'll want to check out the whole thing".
I'm not making a declarative decision on the whole album based on this stuff. I'm still going to listen to it and give it a fair shake. At the moment though, a person can only go on what has actually been released to the public.
I'm not saying it has nothing to do with the album.. It does.. But is not *the album* per se, which is the thing DT and, usually, the rest of the bands in the world do: an album.. Not a trailer to it..
So, while you're right about the trailer giving the potential audience a taste of the actual material, you still don't get my point.. Which is, simply, that my opinion about anything DT or any other band releases will be about the entire work they do.. Not just a part of it.. You don't judge a piece of an artwork, but the whole artwork..
The Bigger Picture.. Not only some of its parts..
Uhhh...
I like how everyone's arguments against criticism of the artwork don't even defend the art or say it's good. They all just say we aren't allowed to be critical and should automatically like everything DT put out or that our expectations are too high or that the art isn't important.
How did... you specifically re-read the entire thing, and still missed the point?What's the point of a trailer if it apparently has nothing to do with the thing it's a trailer for?
Especially for something story driven, where they've been hyping up a visual stage show?
When you release promotional material for something, the entire point is to give the potential audience a taste; to evoke a sense of "If you like this, you'll want to check out the whole thing".
I'm not making a declarative decision on the whole album based on this stuff. I'm still going to listen to it and give it a fair shake. At the moment though, a person can only go on what has actually been released to the public.
I'm not saying it has nothing to do with the album.. It does.. But is not *the album* per se, which is the thing DT and, usually, the rest of the bands in the world do: an album.. Not a trailer to it..
So, while you're right about the trailer giving the potential audience a taste of the actual material, you still don't get my point.. Which is, simply, that my opinion about anything DT or any other band releases will be about the entire work they do.. Not just a part of it.. You don't judge a piece of an artwork, but the whole artwork..
The Bigger Picture.. Not only some of its parts..
Uhhh...
Read the whole thing..
(precisely...)
We're also talking about a band who have animated alter egos such as a genie, a wizard and a pirate. So while the plot seems somewhat serious and grandiose, I would not be surprise if they threw in a bit of tongue-in-cheek stuff here and there.
Yes, but so far, we've seen nothing like that, which is what makes it a bit cringye-worthy.
An my biggest problem with the trailer isn't even the animation, it's the narration. It's not more expensive to not record ridiculous narration.
I'm very optimistic, as Blob, I believe, indicated that the trailer is not indicative of how the art/animations will actually be used in the live shows.
Concerning the visuals, keep in mind they have over 2 hours of music to fill with video to tell the story, which is a tall order for the time and money. This also isn't in the context it was designed and intended for, so it's not how it would be experienced live.
[/qI see that the narration of the trailer is mentioned a few posts above. I just want to say that the narration is awesome. And hilarious. But awesome.
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Exactly. The narration is perfect IMO.
I like how everyone's arguments against criticism of the artwork don't even defend the art or say it's good. They all just say we aren't allowed to be critical and should automatically like everything DT put out or that our expectations are too high or that the art isn't important.
Then why wouldn't someone (engineer) properly identify that and inform the band.
but stack that drum sound against FII or SFAM or SDOIT and it seems like it could be a lot better.
We're also talking about a band who have animated alter egos such as a genie, a wizard and a pirate. So while the plot seems somewhat serious and grandiose, I would not be surprise if they threw in a bit of tongue-in-cheek stuff here and there.
Yes, but so far, we've seen nothing like that, which is what makes it a bit cringye-worthy.Yeah, the problem is that the album trailer is funny too. At least South Park is supposed to be funny.
I think your confusing DT with other bands that have the revenue for what you want as a trailer. Lets not fools ourselves to think DT is rolling in the money to be artsy enough for you.
What I want as a trailer? What I would be fine with is some music snippets with an image, maybe some text. An my biggest problem with the trailer isn't even the animation, it's the narration. It's not more expensive to not record ridiculous narration. So it would be much cheaper way to make it "artsy" enough for me.
Also, am I the only one who likes the drum sound?I've never had an issue with Mangini's drum sound, but I will say I like what I've heard from the new album the best.
I think the real problem with the drums is the snare, everything else sounds good.
On a subjective note, I don't like the lower tuned snare sound, it lacks the snap of a higher snare. I also think it still lacks some dynamics, but it's a lot better here than on DT12. I can actually make out ghost notes now.
Overall I think it's clear they've taken on board the major criticisms of the production on the previous album, because it's a big improvement imo.
And maybe the amount of albums he's been on has allowed him to tweak/experiment with the mic setup and that's why we've basically gotten a better sound from his kit on recordings over time.It's a shame really, watching Mike play live in a clinic it makes you wonder what goes wrong during the mixing process of the albums, because he sounds so dynamic and powerful when you listen to his drums live.
I'm not a production guy so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I think I remember an interview with Mike where mentionned that they had a hard time setting up the mic for recording his drum for A Dramatic Turn of Events. I'm guessing it's because there was a lot of sound leakage where it shouldn't.
If that's the case, maybe this drum sound and production is the way they found to make reduce this problem.
Edit: I got ninja'd by nikatapi.
Regarding the video I don't care if it is Cheesy . I love it. This reminds me of a Zelda videogame with Dream Theater writing the score.
I suppose if DT put clothes dryers on the stage they would get crap too. One thing I like about Rush fans is that to them Rush is King
of the world and everthing they do is great. Dream Theater fans are of a different sort.
I like how everyone's arguments against criticism of the artwork don't even defend the art or say it's good. They all just say we aren't allowed to be critical and should automatically like everything DT put out or that our expectations are too high or that the art isn't important.
You're not saying it was bad either..
but stack that drum sound against FII or SFAM or SDOIT and it seems like it could be a lot better.
Eh, not to my ears. TGoM's drum sound is punchy and unique and a lot of the aspects others see as an issue, I see as another way for the overall sound to be more distinctive from other DT albums.
How does his kit sound on James two MullMuzzler albums ?
This is a very important point that most people are missing. It seems the majority (at least how I've seen the argument) of people don't like MM's drum sound, which is a preference.Then why wouldn't someone (engineer) properly identify that and inform the band.Because there's nothing objectively wrong with the end result.
There you go. I never thought the snare on DT12 was triggered. He's just that consistent.Considering how he plays, this doesn't surprise me at all. The dude is insanely consistent to the point where people actually believe it's triggered.
Plus you have compression, gating etc.
Did you already read/post this?
(https://i.imgur.com/dWXqyjw.png)
(Found on reddit)
This is a very important point that most people are missing. It seems the majority (at least how I've seen the argument) of people don't like MM's drum sound, which is a preference.
I know Bosk (I think it was Bosk) said it would be a very divisive album, I didn't know the animations would be as well. :lol
B.Lee
I can't wait to blast the CD in my headphones whilst on a long walk :) . I always import into iTunes as WAV and I have a good set of headphones so looking forward to it.
I can't wait to blast the CD in my headphones whilst on a long walk :) . I always import into iTunes as WAV and I have a good set of headphones so looking forward to it.
Just wondering, how does importing as WAV make a difference compared to mp3?
I can't wait to blast the CD in my headphones whilst on a long walk :) . I always import into iTunes as WAV and I have a good set of headphones so looking forward to it.
Just wondering, how does importing as WAV make a difference compared to mp3?
I can't wait to blast the CD in my headphones whilst on a long walk :) . I always import into iTunes as WAV and I have a good set of headphones so looking forward to it.
Just wondering, how does importing as WAV make a difference compared to mp3?
I can't wait to blast the CD in my headphones whilst on a long walk :) . I always import into iTunes as WAV and I have a good set of headphones so looking forward to it.
Just wondering, how does importing as WAV make a difference compared to mp3?
WAV is a lossless format as opposed to mp3 which is lossy, which means WAV is higher quality and closer matches the original CD. In practice there's not much difference between a high bitrate mp3 and the lossless file though.
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I believe in the past albums Portnoy had a greater influence during the mix, so the drums sounded a lot better, but that made the remaining instruments worse (again, mostly the bass). I.e., I´m listening to the official bootleg Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95, where Portnoy had a lot of influence mixing/mastering, and I can´t believe how high are the drums on it. It almost kills the album.
In terms of size, how does a Wav file compare to a 320 kbps mp3?
I believe in the past albums Portnoy had a greater influence during the mix, so the drums sounded a lot better, but that made the remaining instruments worse (again, mostly the bass). I.e., I´m listening to the official bootleg Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95, where Portnoy had a lot of influence mixing/mastering, and I can´t believe how high are the drums on it. It almost kills the album.
I always thought the drums on Awake were the most load and prominent drums I've heard on an album.
The Trailer It made me laugh. Is it cheesy, bombastic, slightly ridiculous and totally preposterous? Hell yes! Am I stoked for the new album? Hell yes! Did it therefore do its job? Hell yes! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkSuGV0Zhsg
New-ish Mangini Video.
One thing I'll say about the concept/trailer.
If I see anything that suggests that they're just having fun with this, rather than it being super self-serious, it'll improve my opinion of the whole thing drastically.
In terms of size, how does a Wav file compare to a 320 kbps mp3?
A WAV file is 1411kbps, so about 4.5x larger. It's about 10-11mb per minute of music.
The album is really the most important, not the trailer.
It isn't as bad as you put it. I think your overanalyzing it.
This is a very important point that most people are missing. It seems the majority (at least how I've seen the argument) of people don't like MM's drum sound, which is a preference.Then why wouldn't someone (engineer) properly identify that and inform the band.Because there's nothing objectively wrong with the end result.
In terms of size, how does a Wav file compare to a 320 kbps mp3?
A WAV file is 1411kbps, so about 4.5x larger. It's about 10-11mb per minute of music.
That would make the album around 1.4 GB :o
The album is really the most important, not the trailer.
Yes. Obviously. No one is arguing that. But that doesn't make the trailer better or worse.It isn't as bad as you put it. I think your overanalyzing it.
All my comments with opinions on the trailer:
"A cheesy mess." It's most definetely that. It's cheesy, and the way they mixed the narration over the music makes it messy and hard to focus on.
"It's funny." I and several others found it funny. Some say in a good way, I say bad. Not too harsh.
"A bit cringe-worthy." Because they seem to be taking it all so damn seriously that when it's presented in this funny way, it makes me cringe a little.
"Music sounds fine."
That's everything I've said about the trailer. More negative than positive? I guess, but not at all what I would call "overanalyzing". And I liked the actual music in it, which is what counts as you yourself and everyone else here has stated as well.
If you're importing it to itunes anyways, why not import it as ALAC? Half the space, same quality.
In terms of size, how does a Wav file compare to a 320 kbps mp3?
A WAV file is 1411kbps, so about 4.5x larger. It's about 10-11mb per minute of music.
That would make the album around 1.4 GB :o
I just checked and ADTOE in AIFF ( Apple's own Wav format ) is 820MB.
The Astonishing will be around double that.
It does annoy me when so many people talk about it like they are surprised that DT don't 'hear it', that it needs 'fixing' or when there is discussion about who should be 'blamed'. Like you said, it's just preference and I'm ok with people not liking the sound but it is not an issue when everthing is captured well, it sits well in the mix etc. Beyond that, it's the engineer's / producer's decision to get a specific sound out of the kit and I quite like what I've heard and am sure DT do as well even if it's not the exact sound MM wants.
I'm not a production guy so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I think I remember an interview with Mike where mentionned that they had a hard time setting up the mic for recording his drum for A Dramatic Turn of Events. I'm guessing it's because there was a lot of sound leakage where it shouldn't.
If that's the case, maybe this drum sound and production is the way they found to make reduce this problem.
I think everyone can agree something went awry there.
Sorry to annoy you there brother. Not sure if this is directed toward me but my previous comments in this thread regarding MM's drum sound were in response to this:
Nah, that was just a general comment on what I've seen around the internet. Not directed at you.
Mangini seems like everything has to be so exact to his specs - I would not be phased at all if he said he has slightly different sticks for left and right hands :lol
The only thing that ever bothered me about Mangini's sound was the snare on DT12. I think everyone can agree something went awry there. Not quite St. Anger wrong, but it was an odd production choice (and make no mistake, it's a post production thing).
The only thing that ever bothered me about Mangini's sound was the snare on DT12. I think everyone can agree something went awry there. Not quite St. Anger wrong, but it was an odd production choice (and make no mistake, it's a post production thing).
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Maybe generalizing as something went wrong is the wrong way to put it, but you really don't hear the immense difference in snare between ADToE and DT12?
Maybe generalizing as something went wrong is the wrong way to put it, but you really don't hear the immense difference in snare between ADToE and DT12?
There is certainly a difference but I've never understood the hate it gets.
I'm not a production guy so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I think I remember an interview with Mike where mentionned that they had a hard time setting up the mic for recording his drum for A Dramatic Turn of Events. I'm guessing it's because there was a lot of sound leakage where it shouldn't.
If that's the case, maybe this drum sound and production is the way they found to make reduce this problem.
I don't know the interview source, it just got me thinking that if they "had a hard time setting up the mics" for ADTOE maybe the engineer wasn't able to capture the drums exactly how he wanted to and changes were made that later effected the drum sound. Once again, for the record, I really am not that critical of MM's drum sounds. But like you said "when everything is captured well" comes into play here. All I'm saying is that his kit set-up might have negatively effected how things were captured. In fact MM's comment in that interview (once again, I'm basing this off of a user post because I don't know the interview in question) confirms they had issue micing the kit.
It's because it doesn't sound like a snare. What I hear is someone pushing a button on a computer, and some cheap snare sample comes out with the near exact same loudness each time. Maybe would've worked really well on Skrillex's next album, but not on a metal/rock album.I don't hear what you are hearing. It sounds like a snare to me.
It does sound like a snare, just the worst sounding snare in the history of metal music. :lol
It does sound like a snare, just the worst sounding snare in the history of metal music. :lol
Um... St. Anger?
It's because it doesn't sound like a snare. What I hear is someone pushing a button on a computer, and some cheap snare sample comes out with the near exact same loudness each time. Maybe would've worked really well on Skrillex's next album, but not on a metal/rock album.I don't hear what you are hearing. It sounds like a snare to me.
Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hat
dt12 probably has the worst production of any album in my library, and i have black metal albums in my library that intentionally nuked the production for atmosphere's sake
One thing I'll say about the concept/trailer.
If I see anything that suggests that they're just having fun with this, rather than it being super self-serious, it'll improve my opinion of the whole thing drastically.
It does sound like a snare, just the worst sounding snare in the history of metal music. :lol
Um... St. Anger?
Much more tolerable for me. It atleast has that unique ring that the DT snare lacks.
Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hathaha, me too. Certainly not weak songwriting on DT12 in my opinion either, its one of my fav DT albums.
Mangini sounds great in every other instance, live or otherwise, I've ever heard him. Something changed on DT12.
All this fuzz about the trailer will be forgotten when the album will be out. Right now people discuss it because it's the only thing we have, basically.
What is the importance of the video for The Looking Glass now that the self titled is out since 2013? how much even the memory that there was a video for On the Back of Angels has an impact in reflecting back on the 2011 album? the trailer will be a very minor footnote in the whole Astonishing history.
Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hat
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hat
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
And you get this from a Youtube clip? Maybe you should wait until you have a better quality of album in your hands. Or am I wrong and you have one in your hands right now?
Maybe generalizing as something went wrong is the wrong way to put it, but you really don't hear the immense difference in snare between ADToE and DT12?
There is certainly a difference but I've never understood the hate it gets.
The word I always use to describe it is 'squishy'. To me it feels out of place and electronic (like from a literal electronic drum module). I know it isn't, but that's what it comes across as to me.
Wow, I literally did not know that I got a high quality TGOM file along with my pre-order confirmation :facepalm: personally I'm not a huge audio critic, I'm not noticing too much difference between this and the Spotify one.Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hat
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
And you get this from a Youtube clip? Maybe you should wait until you have a better quality of album in your hands. Or am I wrong and you have one in your hands right now?
Anyone who preordered has a very nice quality (presumably the final mastered) TGoM track.
All this fuzz about the trailer will be forgotten when the album will be out. Right now people discuss it because it's the only thing we have, basically.
What is the importance of the video for The Looking Glass now that the self titled is out since 2013? how much even the memory that there was a video for On the Back of Angels has an impact in reflecting back on the 2011 album? the trailer will be a very minor footnote in the whole Astonishing history.
There's a difference here - while I personally don't care about the trailer's significance, it may or may not be an indication of the final product as brought to us in the live show.
Does anyone have an opinion on the live show?Haven't seen it.
dt12 probably has the worst production of any album in my library, and i have black metal albums in my library that intentionally nuked the production for atmosphere's sakeEven worse than Nattens Madrigal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WdtS4FZck)? Come on :P
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
And you get this from a Youtube clip? Maybe you should wait until you have a better quality of album in your hands. Or am I wrong and you have one in your hands right now?
dt12 probably has the worst production of any album in my library, and i have black metal albums in my library that intentionally nuked the production for atmosphere's sakeEven worse than Nattens Madrigal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WdtS4FZck)? Come on :P
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
And you get this from a Youtube clip? Maybe you should wait until you have a better quality of album in your hands. Or am I wrong and you have one in your hands right now?
Are you sure you meant to reply to me? Because I'm talking about ADToE and DT12, the versions I physically own.dt12 probably has the worst production of any album in my library, and i have black metal albums in my library that intentionally nuked the production for atmosphere's sakeEven worse than Nattens Madrigal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WdtS4FZck)? Come on :P
I'm assuming Parama is using a ton of hyperbole there, I can't really see how the DT12 snare is worse the one on Nattens Madrigal.
Those of you fixated with the production of a record and details like the drum snare or the guitar tone clearly never lived in the cassette tapes era, where all you had to get by was a cassette taped from a friend taped from a friend taped from a friend that copied it from a lucky rich friend that had the newest wonder of technology, a CD player.
Try to survive on third hand tapes all your formative years, even St. Anger will sound wonderful then :biggrin:
Wow, I literally did not know that I got a high quality TGOM file along with my pre-order confirmation :facepalm: personally I'm not a huge audio critic, I'm not noticing too much difference between this and the Spotify one.Also I just thank God that evidently my ears aren't as tuned in as a lot of the guys on here. Honestly, I just listen to it and love it. Didnt have a problem with ADTOE or DT, I thought they both sounded great! :hat
It's not really a matter of being able to hear it, it's more that what people hear is quite divisive. I thought that both albums sound really good as well even if I can hear a lot of what many dislike about them sound-wise.
And you get this from a Youtube clip? Maybe you should wait until you have a better quality of album in your hands. Or am I wrong and you have one in your hands right now?
Anyone who preordered has a very nice quality (presumably the final mastered) TGoM track.
Those of you fixated with the production of a record and details like the drum snare or the guitar tone clearly never lived in the cassette tapes era, where all you had to get by was a cassette taped from a friend taped from a friend taped from a friend that copied it from a lucky rich friend that had the newest wonder of technology, a CD player.While I didn't survive on third hand tapes I do have memories of their sound :lol It's just that being a sort of obsessed audiophile I tend to notice many small details... sometimes it's great, sometimes it's annoying, but it rarely gets in the way of the actual music. It is something that can bother me after repeated listens, when I consciously search for smaller details.
Try to survive on third hand tapes all your formative years, even St. Anger will sound wonderful then :biggrin:
I'm curious as to what the new forum themes will look like!
The Trailer It made me laugh. Is it cheesy, bombastic, slightly ridiculous and totally preposterous? Hell yes! Am I stoked for the new album? Hell yes! Did it therefore do its job? Hell yes! :metalJust quoting this because it's so spot on. The cheese factor is such a part of what makes DT endearing.
Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive.
Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive. Like many bands (and indeed artists of any kind) DT do both.
You may be astonished to know that I am not planning on new themes.Boooooooooo
I'm just thinking, I really don't understand those guys saying that trailer animation sucks. I mean, ffs, they're a fucking BAND, not Star Wars' producers. The trailer is there just to be something fun, to help us visualise the story, while we are waiting for the album. We should be grateful for having any trailer in the first place. I mean, chill, guys :D
That's just people finding an excuse to bash the band publicly and/or to justify not buying the album. People like that are just looking for any tiny thing to declare to the public that they aren't planning on buying the album.I'm just thinking, I really don't understand those guys saying that trailer animation sucks. I mean, ffs, they're a fucking BAND, not Star Wars' producers. The trailer is there just to be something fun, to help us visualise the story, while we are waiting for the album. We should be grateful for having any trailer in the first place. I mean, chill, guys :D
The worst thing is, I see some comments (not here though, unless I missed something) that say that the trailer stopped them from buying it. That's a bit ridiculous.
Fair analogy?
I'm just thinking, I really don't understand those guys saying that trailer animation sucks. I mean, ffs, they're a fucking BAND, not Star Wars' producers. The trailer is there just to be something fun, to help us visualise the story, while we are waiting for the album. We should be grateful for having any trailer in the first place. I mean, chill, guys :D
The worst thing is, I see some comments (not here though, unless I missed something) that say that the trailer stopped them from buying it. That's a bit ridiculous.
Blowjob analogy.....
So to all those intent on making a point of their disappointment with the quality of the video. This is the best analogy I can come up with as to why I think it is petty and unappreciative.
You are in a relationship for 10 years with a gf/wife. She gives great blowjobs. Some better than others, but all good. Then after 10 years she wants to surprise you and mix things up and add some excitement so she tells you while blowing you she wants you to download in her mouth and she will swallow. So your excitement builds then the boom....but as she is choking it down she makes a terrible face. And rather than appreciate the fact that she took it to another level you focus on the bad expression rather than the act and the overall main event. You lose some of your own enjoyment over something that is kinda irrelevant. And in the process you bitch to her that she had diminished your pleasure by not fulfilling the "above and beyond" the way you would have liked. Good luck getting that from her again you unappreciative SOB....
Fair analogy?
Blowjob analogy.....
So to all those intent on making a point of their disappointment with the quality of the video. This is the best analogy I can come up with as to why I think it is petty and unappreciative.
You are in a relationship for 10 years with a gf/wife. She gives great blowjobs. Some better than others, but all good. Then after 10 years she wants to surprise you and mix things up and add some excitement so she tells you while blowing you she wants you to download in her mouth and she will swallow. So your excitement builds then the boom....but as she is choking it down she makes a terrible face. And rather than appreciate the fact that she took it to another level you focus on the bad expression rather than the act and the overall main event. You lose some of your own enjoyment over something that is kinda irrelevant. And in the process you bitch to her that she had diminished your pleasure by not fulfilling the "above and beyond" the way you would have liked. Good luck getting that from her again you unappreciative SOB....
Fair analogy?
And the award for best analogy goes to...
My least favorite snare sound is MP's on A Change of Seasons. I don't have any issue with the sound of MM's drums, other than some of the cool stuff that was lost in the mix (esp. cymbal parts).
I'm glad the drums aren't over dominating. They compliment the other instruments so well you can barely tell at times. The drums carry the melodies, and the bass is finally nicely mixed again it carries the groove and rhythm.
Wait... Isn't the norwegian listening party today? (Tomorrow for some people). Man, I wonder if we will get some fresh info.Yes. The Norwegian listening party is today, Thursday at 1900 (7 PM) CET.
I'm just thinking, I really don't understand those guys saying that trailer animation sucks. I mean, ffs, they're a fucking BAND, not Star Wars' producers. The trailer is there just to be something fun, to help us visualise the story, while we are waiting for the album. We should be grateful for having any trailer in the first place. I mean, chill, guys :DFor literally the ten billionth time, no one is expecting hollywood level production.
Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive. Like many bands (and indeed artists of any kind) DT do both.I can only speak for myself, but my concern is that is that they'll take it too seriously.
I can only speak for myself, but my concern is that is that they'll take it too seriously.
From what we've seen of the story and characters and such, it could work if they have a bit of self awareness and just have fun with it, and you're right that fun and a bit of seriousness aren't mutually exclusive. I do think though that if they take this concept too seriously, it could be terrible.
I guess I don't really know what "too seriously" means. Was SFAM too serious? Because that's cheesky as fuck and considered by many (not me) to be one of DT's finest and one of the best prog albums ever.Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive. Like many bands (and indeed artists of any kind) DT do both.I can only speak for myself, but my concern is that is that they'll take it too seriously.
From what we've seen of the story and characters and such, it could work if they have a bit of self awareness and just have fun with it, and you're right that fun and a bit of seriousness aren't mutually exclusive. I do think though that if they take this concept too seriously, it could be terrible.
I guess I don't really know what "too seriously" means. Was SFAM too serious? Because that's cheesky as fuck and considered by many (not me) to be one of DT's finest and one of the best prog albums ever.Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive. Like many bands (and indeed artists of any kind) DT do both.I can only speak for myself, but my concern is that is that they'll take it too seriously.
From what we've seen of the story and characters and such, it could work if they have a bit of self awareness and just have fun with it, and you're right that fun and a bit of seriousness aren't mutually exclusive. I do think though that if they take this concept too seriously, it could be terrible.
I don't find SFAM's story or lyrics cheesy, and I don't even believe in reincarnation. I think it was the right approach of "seriousness" for that story."I've been given so much more in life; I've got a son, I've got a wife"
I don't find SFAM's story or lyrics cheesy, and I don't even believe in reincarnation. I think it was the right approach of "seriousness" for that story."I've been given so much more in life; I've got a son, I've got a wife"
This is my point, it's all a matter of personal opinion and perspective. People are talking as though DT objectively did a "bad thing" with that trailer.
It's when I listen to those very long 70 minute albums where I truly realise the length of the upcoming monster that is The Astonishing. 135 minutes is freakishly long for an album. I really hope the listening procedure isn't affected much by its sheer scope.
It's when I listen to those very long 70 minute albums where I truly realise the length of the upcoming monster that is The Astonishing. 135 minutes is freakishly long for an album. I really hope the listening procedure isn't affected much by its sheer scope.
I agree. Not gonna lie I'll probably end up taking a 10 minute break between Act 1 and 2.
This is my point, it's all a matter of personal opinion and perspective. People are talking as though DT objectively did a "bad thing" with that trailer.
Exactly!
Sometimes, I wish that people viewed DT's music a little more like Rush's, in that the cheesy, nerdy moments would be viewed as more of a positive than a negative. As I understand it, Rush always took their music seriously, even though the lyrics got a little silly at times, but that became a part of their charm. I see no reason why I, as a fan, shouldn't approach Dream Theater the same way. I personally couldn't care less if the Astonishing is just a two hour geek fest.
For me, SFAM teaches you to appreciate life and the things you have, because others might not have been as lucky as you are, and the people that pass away don't disappear forever, they go on in our memories and that.That is EXACTLY my point. It wasn't a criticism of SFAM.
So I don't see why all the son and wife thing being unnecessary or cheesy is even a valid point.
It's not just seriousness. It's having a very cliche looking story and set of characters, and then treating it like it's much more profound than it is. Scenes stuck me as more creative. Plus, my first taste of Scenes was the music, and then I actually listened to the lyrics after being drawn in. The music set my first impression, rather than a marketing campaign with maps and character portraits that I don't find the least bit compelling.I guess I don't really know what "too seriously" means. Was SFAM too serious? Because that's cheesky as fuck and considered by many (not me) to be one of DT's finest and one of the best prog albums ever.Also, why are people insisting that "taking it seriously" and "having fun with it" are mutually exclusive. Like many bands (and indeed artists of any kind) DT do both.I can only speak for myself, but my concern is that is that they'll take it too seriously.
From what we've seen of the story and characters and such, it could work if they have a bit of self awareness and just have fun with it, and you're right that fun and a bit of seriousness aren't mutually exclusive. I do think though that if they take this concept too seriously, it could be terrible.
Sometimes, I wish that people viewed DT's music a little more like Rush's, in that the cheesy, nerdy moments would be viewed as more of a positive than a negative. As I understand it, Rush always took their music seriously, even though the lyrics got a little silly at times, but that became a part of their charm. I see no reason why I, as a fan, shouldn't approach Dream Theater the same way. I personally couldn't care less if the Astonishing is just a two hour geek fest.
This is my point, it's all a matter of personal opinion and perspective. People are talking as though DT objectively did a "bad thing" with that trailer.I can only speak for myself, but I think I've been pretty clear that I'm just stating my opinion. My opinion is that the marketing material so far, to me, looks bad. It's really not in line with my tastes though, and it's completely possible that some people really like what they've seen so far. That's okay! I'm literally just saying what I personally think of it. You don't have to agree. It's fine for people to express opposing opinions, but it gets a bit irritating when some people in this thread start to act like any kind of negative opinion is objectively wrong.
A couple of thoughts..I mean, I hated Avatar, so I don't disagree on that point. :P
1) Visuals- I'm fine with them, and I'm sure that they will play their role perfectly during the shows...
They are supposed to be a background, not the main part of the show!
We'll be there for the music!
I find zillions of time more ridicolous stuff like this one below, considering that it was produced with 300€ Millions budget...
(https://www.widemovie.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/avatar.jpg)
I find it fascinating that alot of people are willing to let something like a cheesy trailer tarnish their idea of what the album MIGHT be like.I didn't come into any of this wanting to be negative. That's just my honest reaction to what we've seen so far.
If you go into it with this negative attitude you aren't going to come out of it with much of a positive opinion.
I haven't been invested in this whole conversation, but man, did that trailer come off ridiculous. Not only the images, but the music too. My anticipation is pretty much gone now, I didn't like TGOM either. Sorry to be so blunt, I don't mean to take away from the folks who are looking forward to this.
I find it fascinating that alot of people are willing to let something like a cheesy trailer tarnish their idea of what the album MIGHT be like.I didn't come into any of this wanting to be negative. That's just my honest reaction to what we've seen so far.
If you go into it with this negative attitude you aren't going to come out of it with much of a positive opinion.
Let me ask you; what is the point of a trailer if you're supposed to just completely disregard it? Why do you think a trailer wouldn't be at all representative of the thing it's a trailer for?
I've said this over. And over. And over. When the album comes out, I'm going to listen to it with an open mind, wanting to absolutely love it. If it's great, then I'm not going to care about the quality of a pre-release trailer. At the moment though, since we haven't the album yet, the pre-release material is all I currently have to go on.
It's possible that it's just a bad trailer! I've seen terrible trailers for things I ended up really liking before. It happens. Hopefully this is one of those times.
Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word, the majority of the trailer reaction is nitpicking about something that's not even the band's "fault", namely the animation. I agree that it's not the best I've seen, but this trailer has given the vast majority of us our first taste of other tracks on the new album aside from TGOM. The visuals and narration are secondary to the music, as should be the case for the entire album.
Yeah, booo. I've really enjoyed the transitions as each album comes out. Is it a lot of work to create a new theme?You may be astonished to know that I am not planning on new themes.Boooooooooo
I honestly don't know. I'm not the one who makes them, since I don't know how. That is why *I* am not planning on any new themes. Whether the guy who actually makes them is, ...we'll just have to wait and see. :neverusethis:Yeah, booo. I've really enjoyed the transitions as each album comes out. Is it a lot of work to create a new theme?You may be astonished to know that I am not planning on new themes.Boooooooooo
I honestly don't know. I'm not the one who makes them, since I don't know how. That is why *I* am not planning on any new themes. Whether the guy who actually makes them is, ...we'll just have to wait and see. :neverusethis:Yeah, booo. I've really enjoyed the transitions as each album comes out. Is it a lot of work to create a new theme?You may be astonished to know that I am not planning on new themes.Boooooooooo
Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
The rules need to be changed banning the discussion of anything being cheesy. Cheesy is actually not a word except in the context of pizza or other food.
Most who complain about the animations, myself included, also say that the music is more important and that we'll wait to judge the album until we hear it. I think you guys are focusing on our negative points on things and somehow miss that we're all (mostly) on the same page when it comes to the music. Which is what you all keep saying is the most important.Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Oh, the weird effect is all over his singing in that song, it's just worst on that word.
Partially unrelated, I always wondered what it was about fantasy plotlines that some, if not many people just want to keep as far away from their music as possible. It seems acceptable in novel or film, say, Lord of the Rings or some such, but what is it about this genre of story-telling that makes people "cringe" when it enters their music? I've talked to plenty of people who love the LOTR franchise, but run for the hills when Rhapsody of Fire is mentioned.
I assume it all comes down to how well the medium is at telling a coherent story. Perhaps there's something about music that makes any potential narrative take a backseat to the actual composition in the minds of most people. I'm not much different in that regard. I understand the point of being turned off by the idea of a concept where its ideas are being presented as more profound than they really are, but in the case of TA, I haven't really seen any hint of that so far. We have a general idea of the story-line and the themes its going to be trying to convey, but until we hear the whole thing, we won't get the full picture just yet.
It's a trailer.
Not for a movie, or a TV show, or a video game. But for an album of music.
In other words, it's a video representation of something that is in itself purely audio.
So I don't care if it looks cheesy, or fantastic, or awful, or not bad, because it is, in any real measure of the thing itself, entirely irrelevant.
Have you ever seen a trailer for a book? I have. They are, for better or for worse, roughly equivalent to this.
It is what it is. Which is to say, it's irrelevant. Just something to keep remembering that there is a new DT release on the way.
I honestly don't know. I'm not the one who makes them, since I don't know how. That is why *I* am not planning on any new themes. Whether the guy who actually makes them is, ...we'll just have to wait and see. :neverusethis:Yeah, booo. I've really enjoyed the transitions as each album comes out. Is it a lot of work to create a new theme?You may be astonished to know that I am not planning on new themes.Boooooooooo
Most who complain about the animations, myself included, also say that the music is more important and that we'll wait to judge the album until we hear it. I think you guys are focusing on our negative points on things and somehow miss that we're all (mostly) on the same page when it comes to the music. Which is what you all keep saying is the most important.Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Oh, the weird effect is all over his singing in that song, it's just worst on that word.
But didn't bosk ask the band and they confirmed that no effects were used?
I wonder why people are talking about trailer and not, for example, about additional personas on the album. Didn't someone say there is female vocalist for one of female characters? Or was that in my dreams :huh:
The Norway listening party will be discussed here? Who goes there are now free to comment the album? I think that Noxon ad brosk can comment everything from now in.. am I wrong?I think there should be separated thread for up until album comes out since there are people who don't want to hear anything that could spoil their first listen.
Partially unrelated, I always wondered what it was about fantasy plotlines that some, if not many people just want to keep as far away from their music as possible. It seems acceptable in novel or film, say, Lord of the Rings or some such, but what is it about this genre of story-telling that makes people "cringe" when it enters their music? I've talked to plenty of people who love the LOTR franchise, but run for the hills when Rhapsody of Fire is mentioned.I don't typically like that stuff in film or novels either (I've never finished a Lord of the Rings movie, even though I've tried to watch them several times. That doesn't mean I think they're bad, and they clearly resonate with a lot of people. They're just not for me).
I assume it all comes down to how well the medium is at telling a coherent story. Perhaps there's something about music that makes any potential narrative take a backseat to the actual composition in the minds of most people. I'm not much different in that regard. I understand the point of being turned off by the idea of a concept where its ideas are being presented as more profound than they really are, but in the case of TA, I haven't really seen any hint of that so far. We have a general idea of the story-line and the themes its going to be trying to convey, but until we hear the whole thing, we won't get the full picture just yet.
Yes, put it in the separate thread.The Norway listening party will be discussed here? Who goes there are now free to comment the album? I think that Noxon ad brosk can comment everything from now in.. am I wrong?I think there should be separated thread for up until album comes out since there are people who don't want to hear anything that could spoil their first listen.
The drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
I wouldn't call it a unison, but there some layered guitar and keyboards parts that are playing some slightly different lines at one point, post-guitar solo.QuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
QuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
Most who complain about the animations, myself included, also say that the music is more important and that we'll wait to judge the album until we hear it. I think you guys are focusing on our negative points on things and somehow miss that we're all (mostly) on the same page when it comes to the music. Which is what you all keep saying is the most important.Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Oh, the weird effect is all over his singing in that song, it's just worst on that word.
But didn't bosk ask the band and they confirmed that no effects were used?
Most who complain about the animations, myself included, also say that the music is more important and that we'll wait to judge the album until we hear it. I think you guys are focusing on our negative points on things and somehow miss that we're all (mostly) on the same page when it comes to the music. Which is what you all keep saying is the most important.Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Oh, the weird effect is all over his singing in that song, it's just worst on that word.
But didn't bosk ask the band and they confirmed that no effects were used?
Well, either they're lying, or they don't know, or James LaBrie has surgically installed some sort of robot voice-changer into his throat because that's not what a human being sounds like naturally.
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
What the band says about it should surely be the be-all-and-end-all of the matter. They were there when they recorded it. We weren't.
(PS. What's up with my posts being the first one on several new pages? It's happened at least 3 times on this thread.)
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
i mean, i don't have that album and probably never willdt12 probably has the worst production of any album in my library, and i have black metal albums in my library that intentionally nuked the production for atmosphere's sakeEven worse than Nattens Madrigal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WdtS4FZck)? Come on :P
Yeah, that has nothing to do with a unison, and the fact they're contrapuntally playing different compatible voices, makes that part very special, and very different from unison, it's like anti-unison by definition hahahI wouldn't call it a unison, but there some layered guitar and keyboards parts that are playing some slightly different lines at one point, post-guitar solo.QuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.Yeah, if James did this naturally I would absolutely love to know how because the timbre especially on "time" just sounds odd. It's not just the fact that the pitch bend is awkward, the tone quality of that word especially just does not sound natural to me. I would love to get a vocals-only stem of this song.
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
I think I remember someone saying that not only was it possible, but that it wasn't even that hard to do.
What the band says about it should surely be the be-all-and-end-all of the matter. They were there when they recorded it. We weren't.
Pretty much. It's a very cool part, but not a unison, by definition.Yeah, that has nothing to do with a unison, and the fact they're contrapuntally playing different compatible voices, makes that part very special, and very different from unison, it's like anti-unison by definition hahahI wouldn't call it a unison, but there some layered guitar and keyboards parts that are playing some slightly different lines at one point, post-guitar solo.QuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not sure if it's related to the album, but Jie Ma posted this piece of art, which shows an oddly familiar structure, on his portfolio website.
https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604 (https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604)
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not sure if it's related to the album, but Jie Ma posted this piece of art, which shows an oddly familiar structure, on his portfolio website.That looks absolutely incredible. And with what appears to be a NOMAC in the middle, I'm almost certain it's related to the album.
https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604 (https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604)
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not sure if it's related to the album, but Jie Ma posted this piece of art, which shows an oddly familiar structure, on his portfolio website.
https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604 (https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604)
Also, I feel like the inner shafts the NOMACS have a sort-of majesty logo shape. :)
What's up with my posts being the first one on several new pages? It's happened at least 3 times on this thread.
Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
It's "time" in "People just don't have the time for music anymore".Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Btw, what word are you talking about?..
I'm really hoping these "Places" are backgrounds in the album packaging or something like that. Because from what I've seen (which has been rumored to be a part of the album's concept), everything has looked fantastic.
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not sure if it's related to the album, but Jie Ma posted this piece of art, which shows an oddly familiar structure, on his portfolio website.
https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604 (https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/791/186/large/jie-ma-tt4.jpg?1452784604)
QuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
Of course, it's official, it's on amazon.fr
Because it sounds like he's singing through a robot. It's not really noticable when the entire band is going at it, but all through that calm section it's really obvious. It's so in your face how non natural and not quite like a human being it sounds. Am as unsure as you are, but over how this isn't being considered undesputable fact, no matter what the band says.
Sometimes, I wish that people viewed DT's music a little more like Rush's, in that the cheesy, nerdy moments would be viewed as more of a positive than a negative. As I understand it, Rush always took their music seriously, even though the lyrics got a little silly at times, but that became a part of their charm. I see no reason why I, as a fan, shouldn't approach Dream Theater the same way. I personally couldn't care less if the Astonishing is just a two hour geek fest.
Just because something is on some random Internet site...
Most who complain about the animations, myself included, also say that the music is more important and that we'll wait to judge the album until we hear it. I think you guys are focusing on our negative points on things and somehow miss that we're all (mostly) on the same page when it comes to the music. Which is what you all keep saying is the most important.Just like how the majority of the reaction to TGOM was nitpicking about one JLB word,
Oh, the weird effect is all over his singing in that song, it's just worst on that word.
But didn't bosk ask the band and they confirmed that no effects were used?
Well, either they're lying, or they don't know, or James LaBrie has surgically installed some sort of robot voice-changer into his throat because that's not what a human being sounds like naturally.
They've never lied to me before, so I have no reason to believe they are doing so now. And I was told that was 100% James and the way he sung it. And I'm not really sure why a couple of people refuse to believe that. It isn't hard to duplicate it.
And then I linked to your post and got banned too...I can't believe that you remember that. :lol I'm sorry that you got banned too
Good times!
Just because something is on some random Internet site...
I get your point about the mistakes, but Amazon a "random internet site?" :p
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I know this could go around and around in endless circles, but what James' voice does in that small moment ("time") is not easy to duplicate. No way in hell. If it is - somebody please upload a youtube video of them doing it cos I can't believe that until I see it.
Why is the melodyne thing being discussed again? We were so over it. :-[
The band said no pitch correction software. It's JLB. That's about it.
James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie gave voice to the NOMACs.
James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie gave voice to the NOMACs.
...You're not Kuja...
Guys guys new theory.
Maybe the 'melodyne' thing is because it's a NOMAC singing. That's why it sounds robotic! That's why it says 'people just don't have the time for music anymore', it's clearly from the point of view of a machine... like the machine referenced in Constant Motion, that which never stops working. Systematic Chaos Part II confirmed. :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie gave voice to the NOMACs.
...You're not Kuja...
I AM Kuja.
I just transformed into a Xander/bird hybrid.
The big circley bit on the ground reminds me of a Stargate. :lolIm hoping--I almost wish they would have had an art book with the special edition or something
Great artwork too. It doesn't look like elements Photoshopped together, it looks like it was rendered as a whole to fit together, everything matches up. I expect this will be booklet artwork?
The big circley bit on the ground reminds me of a Stargate. :lolIm hoping--I almost wish they would have had an art book with the special edition or something
Great artwork too. It doesn't look like elements Photoshopped together, it looks like it was rendered as a whole to fit together, everything matches up. I expect this will be booklet artwork?
Guys guys new theory.
Maybe the 'melodyne' thing is because it's a NOMAC singing. That's why it sounds robotic! That's why it says 'people just don't have the time for music anymore', it's clearly from the point of view of a machine... like the machine referenced in Constant Motion, that which never stops working. Systematic Chaos Part II confirmed. :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie gave voice to the NOMACs.
...You're not Kuja...
I AM Kuja.
I just transformed into a Xander/bird hybrid.
Then it's time to revert everything to zero...
Why is the melodyne thing being discussed again? We were so over it. :-[
The band said no pitch correction software. It's JLB. That's about it.
Because DTF, so people who think they know better than the band feel the need to bring it up out of the blue and ignore facts to show how superior their knowledge is.
It's just a little bit of a fryish tone entering his voice as he slides down. Nothing really unusual. The word "have" earlier in that line is a much likelier effects/alteration candidate, even without the knowledge that bosk gave from the band.
Guys guys new theory.
Maybe the 'melodyne' thing is because it's a NOMAC singing. That's why it sounds robotic! That's why it says 'people just don't have the time for music anymore', it's clearly from the point of view of a machine... like the machine referenced in Constant Motion, that which never stops working. Systematic Chaos Part II confirmed. :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:James LaBrie is vocaloid
James LaBrie gave voice to the NOMACs.
...You're not Kuja...
I AM Kuja.
I just transformed into a Xander/bird hybrid.
Loving the artwork.
Thinking perhaps that vault is using false perspective, that it's sloped towards you to give the impression that it's deeper than it really is - in which case the bricks would be right, but just look a bit weird.
And yes, a high quality coffee table artbook is definitely a necessity...
Italian interview to JP : https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1
I've read a couple of pages... JP says that Gabriel is like Jesus Christ for the inhabitants of Ravenskill (a little city) and they call him "The Astonishing".. However this word is not referred only to him...
Maybe monday.
:lolMaybe monday.
George R.R. Noxon
well... that sounds intriguing but then i play tgom and it's just ???Italian interview to JP : https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1 (https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1)
I've read a couple of pages... JP says that Gabriel is like Jesus Christ for the inhabitants of Ravenskill (a little city) and they call him "The Astonishing".. However this word is not referred only to him...
Other things JP said in the interview:
- He started writing the story in the summer of 2013, before any music.
- He and JR started writing music in November 2014.
- They wrote the music mainly as a soundtrack to the story, but some songs can be appreciated by themselves, out of context.
- They consciously made the choice of revealing bit by bit of the album and concept and not until very late into the recording-producing phase to build up hype and keep it interesting.
- Every song talking about a character has its own kind of sound to it (character themes?).
- Live they will have some sort of scenography built by a third-party company, to accompany their performance.
- There may be a live DVD with a real choir and orchestra in the future. On this tour the choir and orchestra will only be part of the movie on the stage screens (backing tracks confirmed?).
- The interviewer asked him about doing the DVD in Italy, he said it would be a great place to do that ("The Astonishing Live in Milan" FTW! :biggrin: ).
- He loved the drum mix and sound in the last album, but he says this time around the snare is much better and whoever didn't like it in DT12 will like it this time. He thinks there can't be a better drum sound than the one in The Astonishing, since they focused much more on it.
:lolMaybe monday.
George R.R. Noxon
EDIT: Also worth noting the "RR" initials and their relevance to the word "Soon".
:soon:
I didn't realize it that part has keyboards, thought it's only guitarQuoteThe drums going up and down during the unison section of TGOM is amazing. MM's unique setup allows him to hit one tom at a time during a run.There's a unison in TGOM? o.O
The unison is short, but it starts around 3:16
Tracklengths on RYM are correct...https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dream_theater/the_astonishing/
It's totally fine for me. It's very dry, so it's not the snare you usually hear in a metal album, where they usually go for a fat sound. Also, Mangini's drumming is precise as hell and it might give the sensation of a less "dynamic" sound, as some have said, but I think it's just his style of playing (it was confirmed that no trigger has been used, if I remember correctly) and saying it sounds like a "drum machine" is totally out of place IMO. I think that many people are complaining not for the fact that "all they can do is complaining" as someone has said, but just because it's different from what they're used to, from what they expect. But sure it has nothing to do with the snare from DT12.well... that sounds intriguing but then i play tgom and it's just ???Italian interview to JP : https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1 (https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1)
I've read a couple of pages... JP says that Gabriel is like Jesus Christ for the inhabitants of Ravenskill (a little city) and they call him "The Astonishing".. However this word is not referred only to him...
Other things JP said in the interview:
- He started writing the story in the summer of 2013, before any music.
- He and JR started writing music in November 2014.
- They wrote the music mainly as a soundtrack to the story, but some songs can be appreciated by themselves, out of context.
- They consciously made the choice of revealing bit by bit of the album and concept and not until very late into the recording-producing phase to build up hype and keep it interesting.
- Every song talking about a character has its own kind of sound to it (character themes?).
- Live they will have some sort of scenography built by a third-party company, to accompany their performance.
- There may be a live DVD with a real choir and orchestra in the future. On this tour the choir and orchestra will only be part of the movie on the stage screens (backing tracks confirmed?).
- The interviewer asked him about doing the DVD in Italy, he said it would be a great place to do that ("The Astonishing Live in Milan" FTW! :biggrin: ).
- He loved the drum mix and sound in the last album, but he says this time around the snare is much better and whoever didn't like it in DT12 will like it this time. He thinks there can't be a better drum sound than the one in The Astonishing, since they focused much more on it.
So, i found the track lenghts here:
*snip*
Source: Rateyourmusic.
I don't know if it's official.
They're ballpark, but they're mostly wrong.
This is what happens when you rely on sneaky pie charts.
Italian interview to JP : https://issuu.com/italiandreamers/docs/ytseitalia_-_intervista_petrucci_co/1
I've read a couple of pages... JP says that Gabriel is like Jesus Christ for the inhabitants of Ravenskill (a little city) and they call him "The Astonishing".. However this word is not referred only to him...
Other things JP said in the interview:
- He started writing the story in the summer of 2013, before any music.
- He and JR started writing music in November 2014.
- They wrote the music mainly as a soundtrack to the story, but some songs can be appreciated by themselves, out of context.
- They consciously made the choice of revealing bit by bit of the album and concept and not until very late into the recording-producing phase to build up hype and keep it interesting.
- Every song talking about a character has its own kind of sound to it (character themes?).
- Live they will have some sort of scenography built by a third-party company, to accompany their performance.
- There may be a live DVD with a real choir and orchestra in the future. On this tour the choir and orchestra will only be part of the movie on the stage screens (backing tracks confirmed?).
- The interviewer asked him about doing the DVD in Italy, he said it would be a great place to do that ("The Astonishing Live in Milan" FTW! :biggrin:).
- He loved the drum mix and sound in the last album, but he says this time around the snare is much better and whoever didn't like it in DT12 will like it this time. He thinks there can't be a better drum sound than the one in The Astonishing, since they focused much more on it.
So, i found the track lenghts here:
*snip*
Source: Rateyourmusic.
I don't know if it's official.
They're ballpark, but they're mostly wrong.
This is what happens when you rely on sneaky pie charts.
Not according to Blob... ???
You have the Australian Edition, with additional kangaroo noices.
Yours is probably from the same source that originated the first promo - every track there were many seconds longer (with descent of the nomacs being a full minute longer). I believe that was sourced before the final touches were done, and before the mastering.
Track by track review...in Italian! :)
https://spaziorock.it/speciale.php?&id=dream-theater-track-by-track-the-astonishing-2016
Sound very promising!
I'll try to manage my expectations 'cause I have a gut feeling that this will be the best thing happened to mankind in this entire millennium!
Yours is probably from the same source that originated the first promo - every track there were many seconds longer (with descent of the nomacs being a full minute longer). I believe that was sourced before the final touches were done, and before the mastering.
Well Descent of the Nomacs is a full minute longer for a reason, as I'm sure you're aware of.
But yeah, that sounds very likely, as these versions would have been what as available as early as possible.
Track by track review...in Italian! :)
https://spaziorock.it/speciale.php?&id=dream-theater-track-by-track-the-astonishing-2016
Sound very promising!
Absolutely it does!
Damn I am so stoked and hyped now, best album ever incoming!!!!! :metal
I'll try to manage my expectations 'cause I have a gut feeling that this will be the best thing happened to mankind in this entire millennium!
About track lengths... am I the only one that think that this time around they don't really matter? sure, with albums made up of a collection of songs it was cool to learn which was the epic, which the most concise etc etc but this time around all songs are scenes from a musical movie, so the length serves only the story, it does not give any real indication about how the song is structured - they're all parts of a bigger scheme anyway.
I'm actually not, but it's okay.
In that case, I've said too much. :P
Yours is probably from the same source that originated the first promo - every track there were many seconds longer (with descent of the nomacs being a full minute longer). I believe that was sourced before the final touches were done, and before the mastering.
Well Descent of the Nomacs is a full minute longer for a reason, as I'm sure you're aware of.
But yeah, that sounds very likely, as these versions would have been what as available as early as possible.
I'm intrigued now! Was something cut?
Well Descent of the Nomacs is a full minute longer for a reason, as I'm sure you're aware of.EXPLAIN
Yours is probably from the same source that originated the first promo - every track there were many seconds longer (with descent of the nomacs being a full minute longer). I believe that was sourced before the final touches were done, and before the mastering.
Well Descent of the Nomacs is a full minute longer for a reason, as I'm sure you're aware of.
But yeah, that sounds very likely, as these versions would have been what as available as early as possible.
I'm intrigued now! Was something cut?
No, the difference is (at least on the promo i had) a longer fade in at the beginning, and a few more klaxons/bllaaarts at the end... Not anything important.
Track by track review...in Italian! :)
https://spaziorock.it/speciale.php?&id=dream-theater-track-by-track-the-astonishing-2016
Sound very promising!
Track by track review...in Italian! :)
https://spaziorock.it/speciale.php?&id=dream-theater-track-by-track-the-astonishing-2016
Sound very promising!
Jesus, things are getting more exiting by the minute here! (If someone is interested to a good translation just say the word.)
I know this could go around and around in endless circles, but what James' voice does in that small moment ("time") is not easy to duplicate. No way in hell. If it is - somebody please upload a youtube video of them doing it cos I can't believe that until I see it.
Sorry, but that's just a ridiculous claim.
Everyone's a sound engineer in this thread...
That section everyone is going nuts over sounds unaltered to me... sounds just like his voice dropping down a tone (is that the right terminology?). Doesn't sound altered at all to me.
Plus what reason would they have to lie?
Everyone's a sound engineer in this thread...
That section everyone is going nuts over sounds unaltered to me... sounds just like his voice dropping down a tone (is that the right terminology?). Doesn't sound altered at all to me.
Plus what reason would they have to lie?
Yea and why would JLB (who averaged 6 takes per line on SC!) let this go and be altered when he can easily change the melody a bit and sing it to perfection?
(https://imgflip.com/i/xes3a)
EDIT : Dunno if suggested earlier......He could have used the UAGM 'Time'! ;)
If it is a review that is not from the listening party, then it belongs in this thread.Yes, it's a review from an Italian website/magazine, I think it's the right thread.. The listening party in Italy is gonna take place on Tuesday...
If it is a review that is not from the listening party, then it belongs in this thread.
Does anyone already posted this track by track?! This site is always negative when it has to review a DT album...I like how they have each track broken down. Another review referred to each song but just in the context of the paragraph.
BIG SPOILER INSIDE!!!
https://metalitalia.com/articolo/dream-theater-the-astonishing-traccia-per-traccia/
Yes it was a very interesting read! going to see them within a month in Amsterdam. Cant wait!Does anyone already posted this track by track?! This site is always negative when it has to review a DT album...I like how they have each track broken down. Another review referred to each song but just in the context of the paragraph.
BIG SPOILER INSIDE!!!
https://metalitalia.com/articolo/dream-theater-the-astonishing-traccia-per-traccia/
WOW! Trying to read through how they describe each track, the transitions, references to previous DT songs etc. is really hard to take in. And I've only gotten through Act 1. I've only got 3 months to get through this before the concert. I might not be ready :)
I am really, really excited!
New audio interview. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-simon/dream-theaters-john-petru_b_8990916.html
don't know that guy from Metalitalia but his review expresses all the limits of die-hard DT fans: the fear of changing.
In my opinion, after all these years (and after 2-3 bad albums) it's time for a change, it's time to listen to something fresh and new. I've really had enough of all those angry guitar riffs.
I'm much more optimistic now.
If I could go back I would not read this track by track. There's a big spoiler about the plot. I think it's wrong when you're writing reviews of albums like this to anticipate important events of the story!! :facepalm:If it is a review that is not from the listening party, then it belongs in this thread.
Sorry, You're right. The only way to avoid any spoilers mild or otherwise is to not read any media at all and that's not possible for me! So bring it on.
don't know that guy from Metalitalia but his review expresses all the limits of die-hard DT fans: the fear of changing.
In my opinion, after all these years (and after 2-3 bad albums) it's time for a change, it's time to listen to something fresh and new. I've really had enough of all those angry guitar riffs.
I'm much more optimistic now.
While I'm always up for them trying something new, I definitely wouldn't call the last two albums bad. They may not have been to your liking, but a lot of people, myself included, thought ADTOE and DT were pretty good.
Actually it doesn't seen unnatural to me even the note sequence....two close instances I found are
Wait for sleep - Palm of her hand to my head
Metropolis - The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
maybe not the same notes but the same kind of drop.
I was ninja'd on reddit, someone translated it before I completed mine, so what the thell https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/)
EDIT: this is actually the translation of the BAD review. I'll do the good one ,then :metal
I was ninja'd on reddit, someone translated it before I completed mine, so what the thell https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/)
EDIT: this is actually the translation of the BAD review. I'll do the good one ,then :metal
I was ninja'd on reddit, someone translated it before I completed mine, so what the thell https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/412xu1/spoiler_trackbytrack_review_in_italian/)
EDIT: this is actually the translation of the BAD review. I'll do the good one ,then :metal
Honestly, I didn't feel this review as bad. Just not as excited as the other ones. I get that he prefers the heavier parts, but he did give praise to James on the quiet parts. Didn't really sound negative to me as some people are implying.
If I understood this right, the review mainly complains about a lack of songs in the vein of verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus.Let me just say that TA is nothing like those songs you mentioned.
For me, this is actually a positive surprise. I expected the opposite based on the track lengths, I expected a lot of songs like Wither, Forsaken and I walk beside you.
Please do not do that again. The thread is already long enough as it is. The nonsense posts have been deleted.
Actually it doesn't seen unnatural to me even the note sequence....two close instances I found are
Wait for sleep - Palm of her hand to my head
Metropolis - The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
maybe not the same notes but the same kind of drop.
This has probably been thought of before, but the band only said no vocal effects were used. So, this doesn't exclude the possibility that there were 2 recordings that were spliced together in the middle of a word, right?Possible, but the way it was explained to me is that it is exactly how James sang it, which implies that what we are hearing on that part is a single take that James did naturally (which is what I hear).
Actually it doesn't seen unnatural to me even the note sequence....two close instances I found are
Wait for sleep - Palm of her hand to my head
Metropolis - The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
maybe not the same notes but the same kind of drop.
I listened to both of you suggestions. I cannot stress enough how much I don't care if Dream Theater used manipulation or not, all I'm saying is that the way he sings "time" sounds absolutely mental and unnatural to my ears. Maybe it is real, but it's still weird. The examples you gave sound nowhere near as extreme as the "time" in question.
Actually it doesn't seen unnatural to me even the note sequence....two close instances I found are
Wait for sleep - Palm of her hand to my head
Metropolis - The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
maybe not the same notes but the same kind of drop.
I listened to both of you suggestions. I cannot stress enough how much I don't care if Dream Theater used manipulation or not, all I'm saying is that the way he sings "time" sounds absolutely mental and unnatural to my ears. Maybe it is real, but it's still weird. The examples you gave sound nowhere near as extreme as the "time" in question.
Come on DTF, you're STILL arguing over this??
Actually it doesn't seen unnatural to me even the note sequence....two close instances I found are
Wait for sleep - Palm of her hand to my head
Metropolis - The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
maybe not the same notes but the same kind of drop.
I listened to both of you suggestions. I cannot stress enough how much I don't care if Dream Theater used manipulation or not, all I'm saying is that the way he sings "time" sounds absolutely mental and unnatural to my ears. Maybe it is real, but it's still weird. The examples you gave sound nowhere near as extreme as the "time" in question.
Come on DTF, you're STILL arguing over this??
You seem surprised. :\
I bet 5 years from now people will still be discussing "tiiiime".
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
Sounds full of the traditional "let's bash DT" prejudices..
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
I've known Pippo for a long time. He used to be quite reliable but in the last couple of years he changed a lot his musical tastes, I don't trust him anymore :D
He also disapproved Kamelot's last album which was very good indeed.
I think Haven is the best one since Epica actually... about the review, being italian I read it, it's clear that the reviewer was expecting something else, not so many soft moments and so little "prog metal". I think having too many expectations on a certain direction can hinder your enjoyment of something, at least from these review I know the first act is kinda slow so I won't be annoyed or preoccupied by the lack of heavy stuff!
Unless you have some instant revulsion at the mere thought of a ballad, it's not a bad thing at all.
There's variety within the ballads, with heavier sections, guitar leads/solos, orchestral stuff, and there are sections with just piano/acoustic/vocals. It's not corny/cheesy straight up radio type stuff, just beautiful softer stuff. They're like short epic ballads, I guess?
It's not corny/cheesy straight up radio type stuff, just beautiful softer stuff. They're like short epic ballads, I guess?
It's not corny/cheesy straight up radio type stuff, just beautiful softer stuff. They're like short epic ballads, I guess?
In the vein of Meat Loaf maybe? would love that! piano was all over Meat Loaf's songs but it doesn't mean they were all sappy ballads.
It's not corny/cheesy straight up radio type stuff, just beautiful softer stuff. They're like short epic ballads, I guess?
In the vein of Meat Loaf maybe? would love that! piano was all over Meat Loaf's songs but it doesn't mean they were all sappy ballads.
I'm not familiar with Meat Loaf to compare them. I'm reminded more of stuff like Medicate (Octavarium) or The Bigger Picture than say AFTR. It's not predictable cliche pop ballads, it's softer arrangements.
I guess it comes down to tastes again, but I really don't think Haven was very good, more like ranging from great (Fallen Star, Citizen Zero) to good (Insomnia, Veil of Elysium) to painfully mediocre (Revolution, Under Grey Skies, End of Innocence), and there also was Beautiful Apocalypse that I skip every time I spin the album now.
However, why does it have to be over? It still sounds crazy so I happen to be super curious about it, even more so if it is natural and we have good reason to believe.Exactly. For me, I don't care if they used effects or not; it doesn't lower my opinion of the song, album, or James at all. I'm just really curious how, if it was natural, that sound was created because I have never heard any human sound like that without any effects.
I guess it comes down to tastes again, but I really don't think Haven was very good, more like ranging from great (Fallen Star, Citizen Zero) to good (Insomnia, Veil of Elysium) to painfully mediocre (Revolution, Under Grey Skies, End of Innocence), and there also was Beautiful Apocalypse that I skip every time I spin the album now.
Couldn't disagree more, especially for Beautiful Apocalypse.
I guess it comes down to tastes again, but I really don't think Haven was very good, more like ranging from great (Fallen Star, Citizen Zero) to good (Insomnia, Veil of Elysium) to painfully mediocre (Revolution, Under Grey Skies, End of Innocence), and there also was Beautiful Apocalypse that I skip every time I spin the album now.
Couldn't disagree more, especially for Beautiful Apocalypse.
I guess it comes down to tastes again, but I really don't think Haven was very good, more like ranging from great (Fallen Star, Citizen Zero) to good (Insomnia, Veil of Elysium) to painfully mediocre (Revolution, Under Grey Skies, End of Innocence), and there also was Beautiful Apocalypse that I skip every time I spin the album now.
Couldn't disagree more, especially for Beautiful Apocalypse.
Me too. Under Grey Skies is actually one of my favorite ballads of 2015 believe it or not.. absolute magic hearing Charlotte and Tommy duke it out with each other during that last chorus. Total Broadway material and I love it haha.
However, why does it have to be over? It still sounds crazy so I happen to be super curious about it, even more so if it is natural and we have good reason to believe.Exactly. For me, I don't care if they used effects or not; it doesn't lower my opinion of the song, album, or James at all. I'm just really curious how, if it was natural, that sound was created because I have never heard any human sound like that without any effects.
At this point I've gotten so used to it that I just treat it as part of the song, but it still interests me regardless.
That Metal Hammer review is hilarious on Google Translate. (https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.metalhammer.it/interview.aspx/1179/dream-theater-il-track-by-track-di-the-astonishing/&prev=search)
"Rudess, you will pay dearly..."
EDIT: sorry for the double post, can't find the delete button..
That Metal Hammer review is hilarious on Google Translate. (https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.metalhammer.it/interview.aspx/1179/dream-theater-il-track-by-track-di-the-astonishing/&prev=search)
"Rudess, you will pay dearly..."
EDIT: sorry for the double post, can't find the delete button..
This review seems written by some angry metal fanboy. Jesus.
Seriously, for some reason, people like to hate on DT in my country especially. Even with metalheads there is always something to complain. I don't get it...
The Metalitalia and Metal Hammer review come across as pretty close-minded and that's quite embarassing. It gets childish at some point.
As a fellow italian, I think the main reason they hate current DT is simply that they're not old DT or Portnoy DT... they just don't expect them to change like every progressive band ever. Living in the past as usual.
Less than 2 more weeks.
The term "ballad" is misused a lot now anyway, as some will call any DT song that doesn't rock or prog out a ballad. For example, Along for the Ride is a song that is more mellow than not, but I wouldn't call it a ballad. Ballad usually are supposed to refer to slower love songs, not just any slower song.
The term "ballad" is misused a lot now anyway, as some will call any DT song that doesn't rock or prog out a ballad. For example, Along for the Ride is a song that is more mellow than not, but I wouldn't call it a ballad. Ballad usually are supposed to refer to slower love songs, not just any slower song.
Ballad usually are supposed to refer to slower love songs, not just any slower song.
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dream_theater/the_astonishing/
yes.
yes.
Yes they are or yes you can confirm it?.. :lol
So... Noxon, call me n00b or as you like, but I couldn't find this information anywhere: who are you specifically?.. How are you related to the band?..
yes.
Yes they are or yes you can confirm it?.. :lol
So... Noxon, call me n00b or as you like, but I couldn't find this information anywhere: who are you specifically?.. How are you related to the band?..
It still surprises me how many people (the majority, it seems) respond either positively or negatively to "less metal". Obviously everyone has different tastes, but I guess I thought more people (certainly here) would be less bothered about genre/style.
It still surprises me how many people (the majority, it seems) respond either positively or negatively to "less metal". Obviously everyone has different tastes, but I guess I thought more people (certainly here) would be less bothered about genre/style.
yes.
Yes they are or yes you can confirm it?.. :lol
So... Noxon, call me n00b or as you like, but I couldn't find this information anywhere: who are you specifically?.. How are you related to the band?..
I'm all about great songs first and foremost, regardless if they're fast or slow.
Take Nightwish for example, their album Imaginaerum - it has a jazz song (Slow, Love, Slow) that has nothing to do with the rest of the album or their entire discography but it's so damn good that I like it. It will be the same with the new album, if there are many slower songs and they're all great, so be it! I look forward the most to the WTF moments, the tango / swingjazz stuff, the bagpipes, all the crazy insanity that I love to find here and there in records (another example, Unia from Sonata Arctica... a total mindfuck of an album, many hate it, I consider it one of their very best. Sometimes with an estabilished band it's fun to just not know what's coming next).
While being mostly a metalhead, I'm all about great songs first and foremost, regardless if they're fast or slow.
Take Nightwish for example, their album Imaginaerum - it has a jazz song (Slow, Love, Slow) that has nothing to do with the rest of the album or their entire discography but it's so damn good that I like it. It will be the same with the new album, if there are many slower songs and they're all great, so be it! I look forward the most to the WTF moments, the tango / swingjazz stuff, the bagpipes, all the crazy insanity that I love to find here and there in records (another example, Unia from Sonata Arctica... a total mindfuck of an album, many hate it, I consider it one of their very best. Sometimes with an estabilished band it's fun to just not know what's coming next).
Well of course, balance, diversity and something new are all things that interest me too. But I don't think those have anything to do with "less metal" or "more metal".It still surprises me how many people (the majority, it seems) respond either positively or negatively to "less metal". Obviously everyone has different tastes, but I guess I thought more people (certainly here) would be less bothered about genre/style.
Οr maybe it's just a matter of balance, and giving all the members of the band a chance to shine. More dynamics in terms of the music is also interesting. And of course, it's something different than the previous albums as it seems, so change is interesting as well.
It still surprises me how many people (the majority, it seems) respond either positively or negatively to "less metal". Obviously everyone has different tastes, but I guess I thought more people (certainly here) would be less bothered about genre/style.
Sadly, I think many fans (not me) are going to complain about the lack of metal on this record...
Same the other way as well, lots are excited about it.
Even the reviews that are being called negative are praising James' work. This is really exciting.
Same the other way as well, lots are excited about it.
So if you're not a DT die hard fan you don't love music?
Even the reviews that are being called negative are praising James' work. This is really exciting.
That encourages me a lot.
Whether the instrumentals are good or not, you're going nowhere without exciting vocals.
Yup, I actually get a third show in a row, hope that won't make such a difference...I'm a bit worried too. I'm going to the third show in Oslo.
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
"They have no intention of sciropparsi metal castings steaming"
What does that mean?! And is it different from whahibrido pickingant?!
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
"They have no intention of sciropparsi metal castings steaming"
What does that mean?! And is it different from whahibrido pickingant?!
Ma la verità è secondo me un'altra: i DT sono ormai rispettabili musicisti di 50 anni e passa l'uno. Non hanno più intenzione di sciropparsi colate di metallo fumante, i loro gusti sono cambiati, i loro ascolti lo sono. Dobbiamo arrenderci all'evidenza, questo disco ci consegna una band di mostruosi professionisti dello strumento, che veleggiano serenamente verso i sessant'anni.
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
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Another track-by-track from Metal Hammer Italy. This a live review so he's only heard it once.
"They have no intention of sciropparsi metal castings steaming"
What does that mean?! And is it different from whahibrido pickingant?!QuoteMa la verità è secondo me un'altra: i DT sono ormai rispettabili musicisti di 50 anni e passa l'uno. Non hanno più intenzione di sciropparsi colate di metallo fumante, i loro gusti sono cambiati, i loro ascolti lo sono. Dobbiamo arrenderci all'evidenza, questo disco ci consegna una band di mostruosi professionisti dello strumento, che veleggiano serenamente verso i sessant'anni.
"But in my opinion the truth is another: DT are at this point respectable musicians each over 50 years old. They aren't willing to put up with castings of fuming metal anymore, their tastes changed, and so has what they listen to. We need to surrender to the evidence, this disc gives us a band of terrific professionals of their instrument, peacefully sailing towards their sixties."
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
Sorry to spoil the fun by translating but the verb comes from the italian word for syrup, sciroppo. It means having to put up with something that bores you, like you would "syrup down" a movie you don't care for but your girlfriend wants you to see it.
QuoteMa la verità è secondo me un'altra: i DT sono ormai rispettabili musicisti di 50 anni e passa l'uno. Non hanno più intenzione di sciropparsi colate di metallo fumante, i loro gusti sono cambiati, i loro ascolti lo sono. Dobbiamo arrenderci all'evidenza, questo disco ci consegna una band di mostruosi professionisti dello strumento, che veleggiano serenamente verso i sessant'anni.
"But in my opinion the truth is another: DT are at this point respectable musicians each over 50 years old. They aren't willing to put up with castings of fuming metal anymore, their tastes changed, and so has what they listen to. We need to surrender to the evidence, this disc gives us a band of terrific professionals of their instrument, peacefully sailing towards their sixties."
stormtrooper riffs
stormtrooper riffs
This is so awesome.
Guys, most of Pippo's reviews are hilarious. Don't take it too serious.
He's a big DT fan. He and I went to DT concert in Tuscany last july
Guys, most of Pippo's reviews are hilarious. Don't take it too serious.
He's a big DT fan. He and I went to DT concert in Tuscany last july
Did you both go for a drive with a guide along the way?
Guys, most of Pippo's reviews are hilarious. Don't take it too serious.
He's a big DT fan. He and I went to DT concert in Tuscany last july
Did you both go for a drive with a guide along the way?
Guys, most of Pippo's reviews are hilarious. Don't take it too serious.
He's a big DT fan. He and I went to DT concert in Tuscany last july
Did you both go for a drive with a guide along the way?
sorry?
Was he sucking on his pipe? Did he have a distinguished accent?
Was he sucking on his pipe? Did he have a distinguished accent?
As an Italian living in Tuscany, I am convinced that not one person from Tuscany has, had or will ever have a distinguished accent. Quite the opposite, actually. :lol
PS. to all the toscani accidentally reading this post, I love you nevertheless :-*
Was he sucking on his pipe? Did he have a distinguished accent?
As an Italian living in Tuscany, I am convinced that not one person from Tuscany has, had or will ever have a distinguished accent. Quite the opposite, actually. :lol
PS. to all the toscani accidentally reading this post, I love you nevertheless :-*
No italian has a distinguished accent. That's the funny thing about us, sons of ancient Rome and kings of the world (united) :loser:
Was he sucking on his pipe? Did he have a distinguished accent?
As an Italian living in Tuscany, I am convinced that not one person from Tuscany has, had or will ever have a distinguished accent. Quite the opposite, actually. :lol
PS. to all the toscani accidentally reading this post, I love you nevertheless :-*
No italian has a distinguished accent. That's the funny thing about us, sons of ancient Rome and kings of the world (united) :loser:
Are you saying that if I learn italian (which is in fact in my plans because I love learning languages) I will be able to understand everyone in the whole country, unlike German (which I'm currently learning)?
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
Sorry to spoil the fun by translating but the verb comes from the italian word for syrup, sciroppo. It means having to put up with something that bores you, like you would "syrup down" a movie you don't care for but your girlfriend wants you to see it.
Are you saying that if I learn italian (which is in fact in my plans because I love learning languages) I will be able to understand everyone in the whole country, unlike German (which I'm currently learning)?
Well, I guess the fact that brazilian portuguese is my native language is a good start as I could understand a good chunk of those reviews without translation :)
In the end, Arhys will be the hero, as he will sacrifice his life and neglect his kid and wife.
In the end, Arhys will be the hero, as he will sacrifice his life and neglect his kid and wife.
So the contention is that, because the band is doing something highly unusual and very ambitious, but happens to not have as many stormtrooper riffs, the band has become easy-listening because they're older?That's pretty much my conclusion as well. That reviewer just doesn't have a clue.
That is sooo...fucking...stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPV9NNvtL20stormtrooper riffs
This is so awesome.
(https://www.galacticbinder.com/images/Guitars/japanese-trooper-guitar.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPV9NNvtL20stormtrooper riffs
This is so awesome.
(https://www.galacticbinder.com/images/Guitars/japanese-trooper-guitar.jpg)
Oh I forgot, Pippo said that the whole Astonishing story is probably hidden in the lyrics of Illumination Theory. Could you confirm that?
My response exactly. :huh:Oh I forgot, Pippo said that the whole Astonishing story is probably hidden in the lyrics of Illumination Theory. Could you confirm that?
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Oh I forgot, Pippo said that the whole Astonishing story is probably hidden in the lyrics of Illumination Theory. Could you confirm that?
Oh I forgot, Pippo said that the whole Astonishing story is probably hidden in the lyrics of Illumination Theory. Could you confirm that?
In Italy we probably have 40-50 accents
Oh I forgot, Pippo said that the whole Astonishing story is probably hidden in the lyrics of Illumination Theory. Could you confirm that?
...
Was he sucking on his pipe? Did he have a distinguished accent?
As an Italian living in Tuscany, I am convinced that not one person from Tuscany has, had or will ever have a distinguished accent. Quite the opposite, actually. :lol
PS. to all the toscani accidentally reading this post, I love you nevertheless :-*
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
Sorry to spoil the fun by translating but the verb comes from the italian word for syrup, sciroppo. It means having to put up with something that bores you, like you would "syrup down" a movie you don't care for but your girlfriend wants you to see it.
Does the author mean that DT has no intention playing metal because of their fans? (boyfriend going to a film his girlfriend wants that?). Or does he mean he himself has to drag trough this album because he expected to do so?
Sciropparsi sounds like the fancier man's whahibrido.Naw, Sciropparsi is like Magnum. Whahibrido is Blue Steel.
Sorry to spoil the fun by translating but the verb comes from the italian word for syrup, sciroppo. It means having to put up with something that bores you, like you would "syrup down" a movie you don't care for but your girlfriend wants you to see it.
Does the author mean that DT has no intention playing metal because of their fans? (boyfriend going to a film his girlfriend wants that?). Or does he mean he himself has to drag trough this album because he expected to do so?
My "watching a movie you don't like 'cause your girlfriend wants you to" was an example to explain what the italian expression "sciropparsi" meant.
The reviewer's opinion was that DT simply can't be bothered with metal anymore 'cause they're on their way to their '60s.
(And I don't really think that's the case, this time they simply wanted to do something different)
I'm fucking pumped for TA, but now we have to learn a ton of new song abbreviations :( :-\
When is John and John getting a haircut? Without a mask they look GAY!! :mehlinWell a haircut won't get them free masks.
Yes, this is the first great outcome we'll get from this album. If they want to be understood, people will have no choice other than typing the words. This makes me even more hyped! :metal
Yes. The perspective of proper written language gets me hyped.Yes, this is the first great outcome we'll get from this album. If they want to be understood, people will have no choice other than typing the words. This makes me even more hyped! :metal
You're hyped because we have to type out the full names of the songs? OK then.
Yes. The perspective of proper written language gets me hyped.Yes, this is the first great outcome we'll get from this album. If they want to be understood, people will have no choice other than typing the words. This makes me even more hyped! :metal
You're hyped because we have to type out the full names of the songs? OK then.
https://www.metallus.it/speciali/dream-theater-the-astonishing-traccia-per-traccia/ (https://www.metallus.it/speciali/dream-theater-the-astonishing-traccia-per-traccia/)This is a good one!
Yet another track by track, this time it's not fanboy-ishly silly.
JP and JR will be on Eddie Trunk’s show tonight for quite some time, maybe debuting an new track?
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/Nice! going to read it now.
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
Noxon,
Just curious, do you have a specific reason for docking the album one point? Or do you on principle not give 10/10 for anything?
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/)
Noxon,
Just curious, do you have a specific reason for docking the album one point? Or do you on principle not give 10/10 for anything?
He criticised the drum sound.
When is John and John getting a haircut? Without a mask they look GAY!! :mehlinThis, combined with your posting history to date, is good for a warning. Clean it up.
Spoiler: Have you seen X somewhere else?
Spoiler: Have you seen X somewhere else?
It's been a week since the last update. Do you guys think we'll get another one today? Maybe they'll open up the "places" section?
It's been a week since the last update. Do you guys think we'll get another one today? Maybe they'll open up the "places" section?
It's one of the better fake tracks I've heard so far though. Some parts do remind me of something Jordan would come up with.Spoiler: Have you seen X somewhere else?
ehh ... mmm ... what!?
maybe here (a fake obviously) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1gxvtX4s_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1gxvtX4s_w)
On Wikipedia, it says that Act I is 79:58. That can't be right, can it?
On Wikipedia, it says that Act I is 79:58. That can't be right, can it?It can be.
On Wikipedia, it says that Act I is 79:58. That can't be right, can it?
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
On Wikipedia, it says that Act I is 79:58. That can't be right, can it?
I added up the track lengths from Noxon's review, and it is actually 79:58
I was under the impression that a cd can only hold 78:59 until it starts skipping from overload. But it is what it is.
On Wikipedia, it says that Act I is 79:58. That can't be right, can it?
I added up the track lengths from Noxon's review, and it is actually 79:58
7+9 = 16, like 2016
5+8 = 13, like 13th album
hmm
13+16=29
Release date: January 29 :omg:
I was under the impression that a cd can only hold 78:59 until it starts skipping from overload. But it is what it is.79:58 is, in fact, less than 79:59.
But 79:58 is not less than 78:59...I was under the impression that a cd can only hold 78:59 until it starts skipping from overload. But it is what it is.79:58 is, in fact, less than 79:59.
(https://i.imgur.com/O3DHIA5.gif)
(https://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/nuggets/sites/default/files/styles/news_block_medium/public/dn-dancers-v2-760x442.jpg?itok=qoNXmPSP)
Ah.But 79:58 is not less than 78:59...I was under the impression that a cd can only hold 78:59 until it starts skipping from overload. But it is what it is.79:58 is, in fact, less than 79:59.
Judging by Noxon's length:omg:
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So Lucien get nuggets and I get three sexy girls? That's so unfair!
Just puttin' this here: https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2016/01/11/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
(https://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/nuggets/sites/default/files/styles/news_block_medium/public/dn-dancers-v2-760x442.jpg?itok=qoNXmPSP)
So Lucien get nuggets and I get three sexy girls? That's so unfair!
Denver Nuggets cheerleaders to be precise. :lol
MMMMMMMMMMMMM NUGGETS!
I was under the impression that a cd can only hold 78:59 until it starts skipping from overload. But it is what it is.
Eddie Trunk show is starting and has JP and JR on it... possibly revealing a new song from the album
Eddie Trunk show is starting and has JP and JR on it... possibly revealing a new song from the album
Where? Is there an online stream?Eddie Trunk show is starting and has JP and JR on it... possibly revealing a new song from the album
They're going to be on in about half an hour.
do you think they will have a podcast later with it?? I'll be in a meeting at work no way I'll be able to catch it.
"We'll check out some music on their new album.."
I hope they don't just play TGOM. :-\
"We'll check out some music on their new album.."
I hope they don't just play TGOM. :-\
You know they're going to haha if they were releasing something new tonight they'd have put it on their FB page for people to join.
Click "Sign Up for a Trial" here https://www.siriusxm.com/ (https://www.siriusxm.com/)
Once you've done that go back to the homepage and click "Listen Online" at the top of the page, then go to Channels - Music - Channel 39 Hair Nation.
Did they actually start? I'm just hearing more songs . . . come on man! get to it!You have to press the live button to go live!
I clicked LIVE and it said I was live. Edit my last post. This is what happens when you get too excited and too many adult beverages. I'm out.Did they actually start? I'm just hearing more songs . . . come on man! get to it!You have to press the live button to go live!
I clicked LIVE and it said I was live. Edit my last post. This is what happens when you get too excited and too many adult beverages. I'm out.Did they actually start? I'm just hearing more songs . . . come on man! get to it!You have to press the live button to go live!
update please :corn
I will be recording this
inb4 00:30 The Hovering Sojourn ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I knew I should have went through all the rigamarole for the trial offer...You can still do it o.o
Soooooo many calls from women.... xD
That long call about Monterrey... :lol
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
James sounds really overproduced
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
I'm glad. I'm not looking for long instrumental sections.I love long instrumentals, but I dislike ones that go on for too long with no purpose. Without having heard this new song yet my impression for this album is that there are plenty of instrumental parts, but a lot shorter and mostly without extended rambling technical solos that go nowhere. If this is true, I will probably love it.
The instrumental section sounded cool but it was way too short and not fulfilling.
James sounds really overproduced
Of all the songs I've hear so far, this one is one of my least favourites. Does nothing for me.
Reminds me way too much of Behind the Veil, Bridges in the Sky, and The Bigger Picture. Take those three songs and put them in a blender and you get Moment of Betrayal. The song is REALLY formulaic in structure too.
Dont let your DT fanboyism blind you
This song is very very by-the-numbers and bland.
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Musically, sonically, or both?
I disagree. Obviously there are similarities, but I get a completely different vibe from it. This is probably one of the more single-ish or normal songs too, so not representative of how the whole album will feel and sound.
James does sound a little overproduced, but I wonder if that could at all be related to the "voices" he's doing.
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Musically, sonically, or both?
I disagree. Obviously there are similarities, but I get a completely different vibe from it. This is probably one of the more single-ish or normal songs too, so not representative of how the whole album will feel and sound.
James does sound a little overproduced, but I wonder if that could at all be related to the "voices" he's doing.
The beginning was definitely different,
during the verses, rift and drums were just like from ADToE and DT12.
Chorus and bridge were very opera rock which is different
Instrumental part was like from ADToE and DT12 until the myung unison at the end that where I jzzed
solo was really good
Ending reminded me of Sacrificed Sons Ending.. very epic and nice
This just makes me more amped up. Of course the two songs they'd release are going to be the more straight forward DT sound that a lot of fans really like. I am just stoked that those straight forward DT songs have both been really fun. I don't find it uninspired at all.
IMO It did sound kinda like from the last couple of albums... with an opera rock feel for sure.
I reckon they chose this track to ease the minds of the fans who like the metal and shred.
Hopefully I enjoy the song more in the context of the whole act/album, but individually it's not a standout for me. It has some nice stuff going on though.
OMG MYUNG WTf??!?!?
Hahahaha exactly!!! LolOMG MYUNG WTf??!?!?
Yeah, he was basically "I will just play what JP played... WITH MY FINGERS." :lol
Btw, a certain section of the lyrics is REALLY spoiler-heavy as JP mentioned, lol.
I reckon they chose this track to ease the minds of the fans who like the metal and shred.
Hopefully I enjoy the song more in the context of the whole act/album, but individually it's not a standout for me. It has some nice stuff going on though.
I agree completely. It's really good but not something that completely blew me away, though that might change in time. I liked TGOM more.
The quality of the youtube link is basically unlistenably bad... please tell me that its just the quality of the link and not actually the mix...
Btw, a certain section of the lyrics is REALLY spoiler-heavy as JP mentioned, lol.
The quality of the youtube link is basically unlistenably bad... please tell me that its just the quality of the link and not actually the mix...
I'm sure it is. It was recorded off a live Sirius radio show, first off. Then YouTube mangles it up some more. That's the last thing I'm worried about.
The quality of the youtube link is basically unlistenably bad... please tell me that its just the quality of the link and not actually the mix...
Btw, a certain section of the lyrics is REALLY spoiler-heavy as JP mentioned, lol.
which one? :corn
The best parts are the intro and the first verse, plus the guitar solo. Other than that, it's okay, and it sounds a lot like the last two albums. This probably won't be my favorite song on the album. I think TGOM is above it.
Well... take my words with a grain of salt because I'm struggling to find a quality version but from what I hear this is one of the least inspired dream theater songs I have ever heard. It is completely "Bad DT by numbers" and has all the qualities of a bad DT song:
Labrie sounds horrible and the vocal melody is not just boring but actually grating to my ears. The instrumental is technical garbage and the chorus might be their worst yet.
I have tried three times now and can't make it through the whole song.
Again, I love TGOM and have played it about 50 times.
I really hope this is just a one off because my confidence in this album just plummeted.
When do you guys think we'll get an official release of Moment of Betrayal?ADRENALINE
I mean MOB
Well... take my words with a grain of salt because I'm struggling to find a quality version but from what I hear this is one of the least inspired dream theater songs I have ever heard. It is completely "Bad DT by numbers" and has all the qualities of a bad DT song:
Labrie sounds horrible and the vocal melody is not just boring but actually grating to my ears. The instrumental is technical garbage and the chorus might be their worst yet.
I have tried three times now and can't make it through the whole song.
Again, I love TGOM and have played it about 50 times.
I really hope this is just a one off because my confidence in this album just plummeted.
I on the other hand can't stop listening to it and I love James' singing on it. Loved the instrumental section.Same here! James sounds great! Sure, the vocal melodies are simple, but so what? The instrumental section is perfect especially JM's unison part and JP's solo.
So if I HATED DT12, will I like the Astonishing?
Dont let your DT fanboyism blind youYou're trying too hard.
This song is very very by-the-numbers and bland.
So if I HATED DT12, will I like the Astonishing?
Nullius in Verba
So if I HATED DT12, will I like the Astonishing?
Nullius in Verba
Lorem ipsum presto felice amore
The main theme from this song is amazing. I can't get enough of it.
It makes sense that they would debut Moment of Betrayal in the context of a metal radio show. It's easily one of the most metal and most straightforward things on the album. But of course this choice in the context of the other marketing activities goes further down the misleading path of the trailer, indicating that the album is much more along the lines of modern heavy DT (think DT12) than it really is. The intro before the verse riff kicks in, particularly the first ~22 seconds with just the piano and the violin (or is it a cello?), are actually more representative of a good chunk of the album than the metal song that follows is.I concur. Having only listened to the album once, I do remember this track as the most "standard DT-track" on the album, but it makes sense to release this track in the contexst of a metal show. But as said, it is not really that representative for the album as a whole. Remember that this album is still going to sound as DT, but at the same time it is not ;-)
not ever once i´ve had the urge to airplay drums to an DT track with Mangini on drums.
Great song, could be the best they´ve made since Breaking All Illussions. BUT, i´m a bit dissapointed in Manginis playing...There´s nothing memorable in his playing. Don´t get me wrong, I thnk he´s an awsome drummer but not ever once i´ve had the urge to airplay drums to an DT track with Mangini on drums. Kinda miss Portnoy now...
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Disagree completely.
Intro gives me a pleasant Finally Free vibe. Found myself singing "Friday evening, the blood's still on my hands".Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Disagree completely.
I got a huge SDOIT vibe from it.
I've found myself air drumming to Enigma Machine a couple of times.
Moment Of Betrayal has a different sound than TGOM..maybe another mix??It was taken from a radio show, therefore the quality is pretty bad.
Moment Of Betrayal has a different sound than TGOM..maybe another mix??Apart from the quality, I think the guitars are more up front in this song... which IMHO isn't a bad thing
A few people who've heard the proper album say it's a lot more dynamic than usual. Which is fine by me.
I think Black Clouds is their best sounding RR album so far.
Lyrics to MoB anyone?
Must. Restrain. The. Urge.
Must. Restrain. The. Urge.
Still not a single note! :omg:
Good luck! :metal
To anyone that's heard the album, is MOB the "heaviest" song? Is it one of your favorites on the album? How does it compare to the rest?
SPOILER ALERT (Moment of Betrayal Lyrics)
To anyone who doesn't want to know anything about the story, I advise not to read the post.
Here's what I managed to understand of the lyrics. I'm not a native speaker, so please bear with me. If anyone has any idea of what stuff goes into the (???) and the (?) parts or any other stuff I might have gotten wrong, I'll be glad to know.
MOMENT OF BETRAYAL
Brace yourself my brother,
I have breaking news,
The Noise Machines (???) here tonight,
There's no time to lose,
No more threats of bloodshed,
No more pain and fear,
Ravenskill will brave the storm,
Our victory is near
You will have to bear restraint (?),
Know what's in our oath (?)
I will be the one to change (?),
Father give me strength
CHORUS
Then he rose (?), secret soul,
Moment of betrayal,
Tears of death, love, revenge,
Moment of betrayal
I just want to live and die
By the warrior's code,
Never leave a man behind,
The God (?) within my soul,
I have given you (?) what you need
My brother for my son,
Guilt and shame will burden me,
Until my days are done
Leave me tonight where the stars touch the sky,
He'll be alone there, with nowhere to hide
CHORUS
BRIDGE
He will be defenceless,
I will close the brutal fight,
There will be no witness,
They will call you hero tonight
(instrumental)
CHORUS
I always thought in the first stanza it was "The Noise Machines lie still tonight."
I think the last chorus has different lyrics.
Well that was incredible! The only similarity to DT12 that I see is the medium tempo chorus, just like Behind the Veil. Saying that, I think it is far better executed in Moment of Betrayal...
Also, there are some comments that says this is DT by numbers. I'm curious, what do people actually mean when this phrase is tossed around?
Im not sure, but Im hearing this on the chorus:
Burning rose
Secret soul
Moment of betrayal
Kiss of death
Love, revenge
Moment of betrayal
Sounds just like ADTOE and DT12.
Disagree completely.
I got a huge SDOIT vibe from it.
He will be defenseless
Out of guards, he'll put up a fight
There will be no witness
They will call you a hero tonight
Well, THAT was disappointing :tdwn
Here's what I hear for the lyrics:
(again - major story plot spoilers here - don't read this if you care about that)
Brace yourself my brother
I have breaking news
The noise machines lie still tonight
There's no time to lose
No more threats of bloodshed
No more pain and fear
Ravenskill will brave the storm
Our victory is near
You are acting very strange
Nervous and on edge
I will be a voice for change
Brother give me strength
Burning rose
Secret sold
Moment of betrayal
Kiss of death
Blood revenge
Moment of betrayal
I have sworn to live and die
By the warrior's code
Never leave a man behind
May god redeem my soul
I will give you what you need
My brother for my son
The guilt and shame will burden me
Until my days are done
Meet me tonight where the stars touch the sky
He'll be alone there with nowhere to hide
Burning rose
Secret sold
Moment of betrayal
Kiss of death
Blood revenge
Moment of betrayal
He will be defenseless
Out of guards, he'll put up a fight
There will be no witness
They will call you a hero tonight
Burning rose
Secret sold
Moment of betrayal
Kiss of death
Blood revenge
Moment of betrayal
Threats and lies
Changing sides
Moment of betrayal
Risking all
Savior's fall
Moment of betrayal
Well, THAT was disappointing :tdwn
Why?
I really liked this. I had a potato quality rip playing on the way to work, but I got Finally Free/Test that Stumped Them All with a little bit of DT12 vibes thrown in. I loved it. I completely feel like (even with the potato quality) that they've managed to tap back in to that more dynamic, progressive sound. Nothing felt out of place, and even the song following a formula (which I imagine most do for the sake of the 'rock opera') didn't bother me as much as some of the cookie cutter stuff since Systematic Chaos. No sir, this is a keeper.
I used to only embrace music in the shape of metal, technical metal and black metal, but my musical tastes has more or less metamorphosed the last 10 years. Although I still listen to bands like Emperor, Satyricon, Entomed, Sepultura and At the gates etc., today I am more into ambient, soundtrack movie music, melodic rock, and prog. Apart from DT, figuring on my playlist today are Gazpacho, Steven Wilson, Gustavo Santaolalla ("the last of us" soundtrack), Circus Maximus, Anathema, The Magnificent and Ulver.
My point is:
10 years ago the technical metal and prog used to be my favorite part of Dream Theater. Now it is the softer, melodic and more AOR parts that gets my attention. I used to ignore "Falling into infinity"; it was not to my preconceived taste and thereby I "searched" for evidence of not liking the album. Today, it is one of my favorite albums - it think it is excellent. I will therefore be interesting from a philosophical point to see what people think about the Astonishing in a 10 years time, considering the change in the maturity (or immaturity) of the listener in that time frame. As of now, because of its diversity, this album really suits my taste in music.
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
Well, THAT was disappointing :tdwn
Why?
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
Someone insults Mangini's fills, so you insult Portnoy's fills? Yeah, that's way better. :lol
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
Someone insults Mangini's fills, so you insult Portnoy's fills? Yeah, that's way better. :lol
I love Portnoy. But fills were reeeeeeally not his strong suite. Especially post TOT.
A note on the Moment of Betrayal performance: This one is a bit of a borderline call, but reposting personal recordings of the Eddie Trunk performance, in whole or in part, will NOT be allowed at this time. Despite that the song has now been performed publicly, as far as I know, the stream of the show is not allowed to be recorded and rebroadcast by people. This was a one-off performance and is owned by the Eddie Trunk show. If and when it becomes available for re-streaming, it may be posted. Until then, it is out of bounds. Thanks.
A note on the Moment of Betrayal performance: This one is a bit of a borderline call, but reposting personal recordings of the Eddie Trunk performance, in whole or in part, will NOT be allowed at this time. Despite that the song has now been performed publicly, as far as I know, the stream of the show is not allowed to be recorded and rebroadcast by people. This was a one-off performance and is owned by the Eddie Trunk show. If and when it becomes available for re-streaming, it may be posted. Until then, it is out of bounds. Thanks.
The whole show can be downloaded here from Eddie Trunk's archive:
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I guess it's inevitable (forevermore) that comparisons will be made and people will have a favorite.
I guess I'm one of the few that actively tries not to compare the two. I'll just be enjoying both era's albums equally.
A casual fan or passerby wouldn't be able to pick out the fills or call them repetitive, we are just used to them.
He will be defenseless
Out of guards, he'll put up a fight
There will be no witness
They will call you a hero tonight
Mostly right, just a minor correction-
He will be defenseless
I'll look on
Say I put up a fight
There will be no witness
They will call you a hero tonight
Also the chorus says secrets told, not secret told, but that's pretty minor.
The whole show can be downloaded here from Eddie Trunk's archive:Hey be careful, this link is not official, it's a site run by a fan, so it may be considered a leak... Just sayin'
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Are you sure of that? It sounds pretty off to me :sad:
The whole show can be downloaded here from Eddie Trunk's archive:Hey be careful, this link is not official, it's a site run by a fan, so it may be considered a leak... Just sayin'
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I'm not sure if I'd call myself a casual fan, but I guess since I'm not a drummer I never thought MP's fills were repetitive. As long as they work in the context of the song, it's fine by me.
I think the whole 'MM stuff is lifeless/MP stuff was great even though less technical' may be rooted in cymbal usage and volume.
With MP you can easily tell if its a verse riff or a chorus or a balls to the wall interlude just by his cymbal choice and dynamics. He would even let you know whether its just a passing fill somewhere or its the drummer moment of the whole night! He used them as compositional tools.
While MM does that too (cases in point IT intro, OTBOA) it is scarce in comparison. Sometimes his verse, chorus and interlude cymbal choice and dynamic is the same (cases in point most of DT12). And with the cymbal volume being low the dynamic becomes even less prominent as it happens a little in the new tracks.
This problem does disappear in BTFW which is to date the best MM sound with DT and we really see Mangini shine through. But still his Finally Free fills leave me wanting there.
I may be wrong here but this is what I am guessing. Btw I have always been excited about the different flavor that MM keeps bringing to the band compared to the past material and that won't be changing anytime soon.
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
This I agree with. Those are some really weak sounding crash hits. Like the cymbals were still grumpy over having to get out of bed early.
How can james labrie sound "overproduced"? Good god! :facepalm:
For me, he's sounding better than ever!
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
This I agree with. Those are some really weak sounding crash hits. Like the cymbals were still grumpy over having to get out of bed early.
I would be willing to bet this is largely due to the compression of the stream. The first thing to get murdered when compressing below 240kbps is the high frequencies.
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
Wow. I love Mangini and all, but I do think this is a controversial opinion. :lol
That would be well over 140 minutes :lol
The entire album is 130 minutes.
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
This I agree with. Those are some really weak sounding crash hits. Like the cymbals were still grumpy over having to get out of bed early.
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
This I agree with. Those are some really weak sounding crash hits. Like the cymbals were still grumpy over having to get out of bed early.
:lol Not sure I feel exactly the same based on your description, but close enough. Yeah, I have noticed that too. I don't want to take away from Mangini's playing in any respect. But while the production on his drums isn't bad by most standards, it just doesn't have the punch that I am used to in DT's music, and I do miss that. But I cannot understate how difficult drums are to produce well in a mix. Yes, I will concede that it isn't completely a lost art because a LOT of bands out there do it well. But there have also been a lot of bands (probably more than the bands that do it well) that have had less than ideal drum tracks on their recordings. I know this is a dated example, but I have mentioned before that I first really became aware of how difficult it must be as a result of years of listening to Jimmy DeGrasso. I saw him live on numerous occasions in the '80s and '90s and was well aware of what a beast of a drummer he is (still one of my favorites to this day). But none of the stuff he did with Y&T or most of his other projects during that time period really stood out in terms of the drum sound. His stuff with Suicidal Tendencies sounded a bit better. But it wasn't until his time in Megadeth that his drums were really recorded and reproduced well. Say what you will about the music during his tenure, but the drum sound is amazing. Same drummer, but completely different sound depending on who was recording/engineering the sound. As a fan of DT, I just wish that they could find this "missing piece" and reproduce Magini's parts in a way that shows off his power as a drummer as well.
It makes sense that they would debut Moment of Betrayal in the context of a metal radio show. It's easily one of the most metal and most straightforward things on the album. But of course this choice in the context of the other marketing activities goes further down the misleading path of the trailer, indicating that the album is much more along the lines of modern heavy DT (think DT12) than it really is. The intro before the verse riff kicks in, particularly the first ~22 seconds with just the piano and the violin (or is it a cello?), are actually more representative of a good chunk of the album than the metal song that follows is.
And when the conflict is resolved, and the story gets a happy ending, the songs become hopeful and anthemic. And yet, completely fresh sounding. Melodic rock and pop done absolutely to perfection. “Our New World” has the most catchy chorus from Dream Theater in a long time – I absolutely love it. And then there’s the credit sequence. Or that’s what it feels like at least. The title track feels a bit out of place, following the strong “Our New World”, because it already felt like we had our victory celebration, and this track comes along with yet another anthem.
I agree with you.
The doubt I have is that the Band (John Petrucci in primis) probably likes and is at ease with this kind of "drums sound", and they don't understand precisely what we are missing in there...
I don't know why, probably they didn't like the "over-the-top" style of Portnoy, and they prefer a more "mechanical" drumming that is more a pure frame to the rest of the music rather than a "primary" instrument...
I think it's a pity, because I love MM's style and where it stands out it really adds value to the songs (like in the Enemy Inside, where I think also the sound matches the song mood)
But like, listen to the first big hits of Moment of Betrayal.. everything sounds huge and massive, except for his crash cymbals.
This I agree with. Those are some really weak sounding crash hits. Like the cymbals were still grumpy over having to get out of bed early.
:lol Not sure I feel exactly the same based on your description, but close enough. Yeah, I have noticed that too. I don't want to take away from Mangini's playing in any respect. But while the production on his drums isn't bad by most standards, it just doesn't have the punch that I am used to in DT's music, and I do miss that. But I cannot understate how difficult drums are to produce well in a mix. Yes, I will concede that it isn't completely a lost art because a LOT of bands out there do it well. But there have also been a lot of bands (probably more than the bands that do it well) that have had less than ideal drum tracks on their recordings. I know this is a dated example, but I have mentioned before that I first really became aware of how difficult it must be as a result of years of listening to Jimmy DeGrasso. I saw him live on numerous occasions in the '80s and '90s and was well aware of what a beast of a drummer he is (still one of my favorites to this day). But none of the stuff he did with Y&T or most of his other projects during that time period really stood out in terms of the drum sound. His stuff with Suicidal Tendencies sounded a bit better. But it wasn't until his time in Megadeth that his drums were really recorded and reproduced well. Say what you will about the music during his tenure, but the drum sound is amazing. Same drummer, but completely different sound depending on who was recording/engineering the sound. As a fan of DT, I just wish that they could find this "missing piece" and reproduce Magini's parts in a way that shows off his power as a drummer as well.
Exactly this. I've always thought this when reading about the difference in the drum sounds.I agree with you.
The doubt I have is that the Band (John Petrucci in primis) probably likes and is at ease with this kind of "drums sound", and they don't understand precisely what we are missing in there...
I don't know why, probably they didn't like the "over-the-top" style of Portnoy, and they prefer a more "mechanical" drumming that is more a pure frame to the rest of the music rather than a "primary" instrument...
I think it's a pity, because I love MM's style and where it stands out it really adds value to the songs (like in the Enemy Inside, where I think also the sound matches the song mood)
I don't know that it is necessarily that they didn't "like" how Portnoy had his drums recorded and produced. I think the much more likely scenario is simply that they just aren't as focused on the drum sound and don't have anyone onboard as part of the team that knows how to get a better overall drum sound. When Portnoy was in the band, he and Petrucci co-produced and seemed to be much more in charge of the final sound. As a drummer AND a type-A personality, Portnoy would have pushed to have the drum sound more up front and sounding a certain way. And either he or whoever they had working on the album knew how to capture the sound Mike wanted. I think Petrucci is more focused on the sound of the lead instruments (his guitar sound, the keyboards, and the vocals), and without Portnoy present, I think (and this is pure speculation) that the drum sound just gets neglected a bit, and without anyone there to push it or who knows how to produce it with that sound we are used to, it just doesn't happen.
Well, THAT was disappointing :tdwn
Why?
I didn't really hear anything different than anything off of DT12 with MOB. Maybe within context of entire album it will resonate better with me.
I can't pinpoint the part that sounds like The Great Debate :(Well, if you look closely there is a Great Debate going on in this thread ;)
I think that what bosk says might be true to a certain level, but there's something that also has to be taken into account: Portnoy plays TAMA drums, Mangini plays PEARL, and those two brands sound entirely different. Portnoy plays Sabian cymbals and Mangini plays Zidjian symbals, and those two brands sound entirely different. They play in entirely different styles, they use different mics, their drum placement in the studio is different so the bleed from each mic signal will affect the overall sound of the entire thing. Mangini is MUCH more precise metronome-wise, so no wonder he sounds like a human machine sometimes as opposed to Portnoy, who usually has a very organic/flawed sound to his playing.
The overall drum producing experience with both drummers seems like an entirely different beast, and we had been used to a certian drum sound for over 20 years, so getting something different can be distracting at first.
One thing is for certain, I don't know if there's a Portnoy record that sounds bad drum-wise. His recordings are usually amazing.
I can't pinpoint the part that sounds like The Great Debate :(Well, if you look closely there is a Great Debate going on in this thread ;)
I think that what bosk says might be true to a certain level, but there's something that also has to be taken into account: Portnoy plays TAMA drums, Mangini plays PEARL, and those two brands sound entirely different. Portnoy plays Sabian cymbals and Mangini plays Zidjian symbals, and those two brands sound entirely different. They play in entirely different styles, they use different mics, their drum placement in the studio is different so the bleed from each mic signal will affect the overall sound of the entire thing. Mangini is MUCH more precise metronome-wise, so no wonder he sounds like a human machine sometimes as opposed to Portnoy, who usually has a very organic/flawed sound to his playing.
The overall drum producing experience with both drummers seems like an entirely different beast, and we had been used to a certian drum sound for over 20 years, so getting something different can be distracting at first.
One thing is for certain, I don't know if there's a Portnoy record that sounds bad drum-wise. His recordings are usually amazing.
As a drummer, I can tell you that there isn't going to be a different sound between brands. Not one discernable after EQ, Compression and mixing. The difference in drums (and to a lesser extent, cymbals) comes in the material used, and the size of it. Then you have the heads and how they're tuned (the biggest factor), and then the stick, tip, how the drummer plays, etc. Then you've also gotta consider the room, the microphones used, the technique used with said microphones etc etc. Not saying your comment is wrong, but the basis is off.
I think that what bosk says might be true to a certain level, but there's something that also has to be taken into account: Portnoy plays TAMA drums, Mangini plays PEARL, and those two brands sound entirely different. Portnoy plays Sabian cymbals and Mangini plays Zidjian symbals, and those two brands sound entirely different. They play in entirely different styles, they use different mics, their drum placement in the studio is different so the bleed from each mic signal will affect the overall sound of the entire thing. Mangini is MUCH more precise metronome-wise, so no wonder he sounds like a human machine sometimes as opposed to Portnoy, who usually has a very organic/flawed sound to his playing.
One thing is for certain, I don't know if there's a Portnoy record that sounds bad drum-wise. His recordings are usually amazing.
The overall drum producing experience with both drummers seems like an entirely different beast, and we had been used to a certian drum sound for over 20 years so getting something different can be distracting at first.
I think that what bosk says might be true to a certain level, but there's something that also has to be taken into account: Portnoy plays TAMA drums, Mangini plays PEARL, and those two brands sound entirely different. Portnoy plays Sabian cymbals and Mangini plays Zidjian symbals, and those two brands sound entirely different. They play in entirely different styles, they use different mics, their drum placement in the studio is different so the bleed from each mic signal will affect the overall sound of the entire thing. Mangini is MUCH more precise metronome-wise, so no wonder he sounds like a human machine sometimes as opposed to Portnoy, who usually has a very organic/flawed sound to his playing.
The overall drum producing experience with both drummers seems like an entirely different beast, and we had been used to a certian drum sound for over 20 years, so getting something different can be distracting at first.
One thing is for certain, I don't know if there's a Portnoy record that sounds bad drum-wise. His recordings are usually amazing.
As a drummer, I can tell you that there isn't going to be a different sound between brands. Not one discernable after EQ, Compression and mixing. The difference in drums (and to a lesser extent, cymbals) comes in the material used, and the size of it. Then you have the heads and how they're tuned (the biggest factor), and then the stick, tip, how the drummer plays, etc. Then you've also gotta consider the room, the microphones used, the technique used with said microphones etc etc. Not saying your comment is wrong, but the basis is off.
I can't pinpoint the part that sounds like The Great Debate :(
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy. When you tune in and really listen and study to what he's doing its amazing. And I found that watching his Enemy Inside video I discovered even more cool things that I can now hear when I put the track on. Love these things! :tup :tup
I can't pinpoint the part that sounds like The Great Debate :(
The first pre-chorus that starts with the word "through".
That is true NOW, but I wouldn't say that was the case from the get-go. WDADU...everything sounds bad, so you can't really single out the drums. With I&W, I don't think he has a great drum sound, even aside from the triggered snare. Awake is better, but still lacking. But from then on, I agree. I think Portnoy learned fairly early on how to capture a good drum sound, and has worked with guys at the production stage who get it as well, and he has benefitted from that.
That is true NOW, but I wouldn't say that was the case from the get-go. WDADU...everything sounds bad, so you can't really single out the drums. With I&W, I don't think he has a great drum sound, even aside from the triggered snare. Awake is better, but still lacking. But from then on, I agree. I think Portnoy learned fairly early on how to capture a good drum sound, and has worked with guys at the production stage who get it as well, and he has benefitted from that.
Ah, yes. I was thinking more of his post-97 work.
Definitely, his early days seemed like a learning curve from him in terms of making drums sound good in a recording. From Falling Into Infinity onwards, the guy has sounded great in the grand majority of records he's played on (and those who I don't think are great sounding are due to a mix I don't like and not because of the drum sound per se).
My quick comment on the drum sound. The issue I've had with MM's cymbal sound in particular on most of his DT work isn't with the cymbals themselves, but with a lack of room sound. I feel like with more overhead mics in the final mix, the cymbals would sound more natural and full. In fact, the whole kit might sound more natural and full if they used more overhead/ambient sounds from mics. His drums usually end up sounding like a mix of gated super close mics and triggers.
That being said, from what I have heard so far, TA drum sound isn't anything spectacular but it's definitely good enough that I don't think it will distract from my enjoyment of the album at all.
I agree with MP's sound evolving with time. The Transatlantic "Kaleidoscope" drum sound is amazing IMO.
My quick comment on the drum sound. The issue I've had with MM's cymbal sound in particular on most of his DT work isn't with the cymbals themselves, but with a lack of room sound. I feel like with more overhead mics in the final mix, the cymbals would sound more natural and full. In fact, the whole kit might sound more natural and full if they used more overhead/ambient sounds from mics. His drums usually end up sounding like a mix of gated super close mics and triggers.
That being said, from what I have heard so far, TA drum sound isn't anything spectacular but it's definitely good enough that I don't think it will distract from my enjoyment of the album at all.
That second sentence is actually the problem - the more overheads you add into the mix, the harder it is to actually capture just the cymbals. Overheads are about capturing the room and even the individual drums as much as everything else. I think the problem is less about how many mics it takes, and just his kit in general. Cymbals directly in front of him (which are probably his go-to cymbals) are going to be out of the way the mics point in a traditional overhead mic setup.
It's hard to tell without actually seeing how the engineer set it up. At the end of the day, Mike's job is to come in and play the kit. The microphones, placement, mixing and producing of the drums are probably all out of his hands.
And if it was that hard on Lars' kit (a comparatively simple setup), Mike's must be nigh impossible :lol
I love the intro and the instrumental section, but the rest does little for me.
The best part of this song was absolutely the quiet intro. I liked the bombastic follow-up too, but the first twenty second or so were my favorite.
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
Don't understand this^ at all? More "musical" than MP? :facepalm: Just my opinion, but regardless of how great MM is (and he definitely is), he seems to just cover over notes. IMO, there's no "musicality" with that at all.
THAT would make much more sense. I agree that MM is technically more proficient than MP (then again, MM is probably "technically" more proficient than most drummers).I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
Don't understand this^ at all? More "musical" than MP? :facepalm: Just my opinion, but regardless of how great MM is (and he definitely is), he seems to just cover over notes. IMO, there's no "musicality" with that at all.
He explained later that if you listen closely you'll hear it. Honestly, I tried to listen closely and apart from the nice cymbal rhythm he had during The Enemy Inside, I discovered exactly what you discovered, that he covers notes.
I think the guy was mistaking "musicality" for "technicality"
Don't understand this^ at all? More "musical" than MP? :facepalm: Just my opinion, but regardless of how great MM is (and he definitely is), he seems to just cover over notes. IMO, there's no "musicality" with that at all.
If the google translation doesn't suit you, I could translate it roughly. But to put in a nutshell, the reviewer was pleased by the fact DT is taking risks but I wanted them to take higher risks. For him, the second CD is better.
THAT would make much more sense. I agree that MM is technically more proficient than MP (then again, MM is probably "technically" more proficient than most drummers).I feel like Mangini sounds like a kid just banging away at his new drum set.
I'm no Mangini lover, but seriously? Portnoy used one fill all the time and you insult Mangini's fills? :justjen
I find Mangini to actually be more musical than Portnoy.
Don't understand this^ at all? More "musical" than MP? :facepalm: Just my opinion, but regardless of how great MM is (and he definitely is), he seems to just cover over notes. IMO, there's no "musicality" with that at all.
He explained later that if you listen closely you'll hear it. Honestly, I tried to listen closely and apart from the nice cymbal rhythm he had during The Enemy Inside, I discovered exactly what you discovered, that he covers notes.
I think the guy was mistaking "musicality" for "technicality"
Here's an interesting question...
Since JP wrote the script over two years and they wrote the music to the script...
Did they write & record The Astonishing in chronological order ?
Am I the only one who had Moment of Betrayal chorus stuck in my head during the entire day today? It's been a long time since it last happened to me, but it's so good :metal
I know Eddie Trunk will dislike TA.
New review
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.radiometal.com/article/dream-theater-the-astonishing,200147&prev=search
https://www.radiometal.com/article/dream-theater-the-astonishing,200147
I'll be honest, Moment of Betrayal had to grow on me, but right now I'm loving it. Sometimes I wish LaBrie was a bit clearer among the instruments, but this song is so dramatic and grand. I've only heard one of the low quality rips from the radio show, and I can't wait to hear the album quality.I'm almost convinced the rip from the radio stream and then being posted on youtube is partially responsible for this.
The review sounds pretty negative. Looks like I was correct in assuming this album would be polarising.
Yes but that scream is like the most well known stock female scream.
It's basically the female Wilhelm Scream.
Yes but that scream is like the most well known stock female scream.
It's basically the female Wilhelm Scream.
And it is really old. As a kid (and I still kind of think the same) I never thought it was a woman screaming. Always like like a distressed bird to me, lol.
I'm most worried about the final song. For 2 hours of content, such an ambitious concept, and the track record DT has for closing songs, I'd hope this one is good and the reviewer just had his own subjective disliking of it. He also mentioned "realistic audio snippets" (think gunshots in Finally Free) and I personally hope there are a good amount of those dabbled throughout the album. While some may think they're cheesy, I've always loved them and think they added to the story. Finally Free's best part IMO is when Victoria is murdered and you hear her screaming and the gunshots behind that awesome guitar riff.
I'm most worried about the final song. For 2 hours of content, such an ambitious concept, and the track record DT has for closing songs, I'd hope this one is good and the reviewer just had his own subjective disliking of it. He also mentioned "realistic audio snippets" (think gunshots in Finally Free) and I personally hope there are a good amount of those dabbled throughout the album. While some may think they're cheesy, I've always loved them and think they added to the story. Finally Free's best part IMO is when Victoria is murdered and you hear her screaming and the gunshots behind that awesome guitar riff.
I hear what you are saying. However, structurally, that may not be exactly what they were going for here. I believe the way the album is structured, the big "climactic" song is the penultimate song rather than the last song, and the last song serves more as the "end credits" or "epilogue" role. Musically, think more along the lines of the last two albums. So on ADTOE, the climactic ending is Breaking All Illusions, but then you have the mellow "roll credits" moment with Beneath the Surface. Or with DT12, you have the climactic "ending" of Illumination Theory, but then a few seconds later, you get a mellow "roll credits" moment with the "easter egg." So I don't think there is a failure to have a climactic ending so much as that happening on the second to last track, with the final track serving a slightly different role.
Yes but that scream is like the most well known stock female scream.
It's basically the female Wilhelm Scream.
And it is really old. As a kid (and I still kind of think the same) I never thought it was a woman screaming. Always like like a distressed bird to me, lol.
You must have some pretty peculiar birds around your place :rollin
You mean like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Zuv5PsXRY)?
Am I the only one who had Moment of Betrayal chorus stuck in my head during the entire day today? It's been a long time since it last happened to me, but it's so good :metalNope you are not the only one. It's so catchy. Although I've also listened to it like 15 times...
I've been to some Operas, the last song is usually like a summary of all the characters. Usually, not as epic and big as the climax.
I'm going to enjoy this album a lot.
I've been to some Operas, the last song is usually like a summary of all the characters. Usually, not as epic and big as the climax.
I'm going to enjoy this album a lot.
This isnt even slightly true
Am I the only one who had Moment of Betrayal chorus stuck in my head during the entire day today? It's been a long time since it last happened to me, but it's so good :metalNope you are not the only one. It's so catchy. Although I've also listened to it like 15 times...
Only Eddie Trunk would as JP and JR if they smoke pot. Having said that the callers were pretty lame. It was a pretty cool interview though.
I'm most worried about the final song. For 2 hours of content, such an ambitious concept, and the track record DT has for closing songs, I'd hope this one is good and the reviewer just had his own subjective disliking of it. He also mentioned "realistic audio snippets" (think gunshots in Finally Free) and I personally hope there are a good amount of those dabbled throughout the album. While some may think they're cheesy, I've always loved them and think they added to the story. Finally Free's best part IMO is when Victoria is murdered and you hear her screaming and the gunshots behind that awesome guitar riff.
I hear what you are saying. However, structurally, that may not be exactly what they were going for here. I believe the way the album is structured, the big "climactic" song is the penultimate song rather than the last song, and the last song serves more as the "end credits" or "epilogue" role. Musically, think more along the lines of the last two albums. So on ADTOE, the climactic ending is Breaking All Illusions, but then you have the mellow "roll credits" moment with Beneath the Surface. Or with DT12, you have the climactic "ending" of Illumination Theory, but then a few seconds later, you get a mellow "roll credits" moment with the "easter egg." So I don't think there is a failure to have a climactic ending so much as that happening on the second to last track, with the final track serving a slightly different role.
Er, actually it was, traditionally (not so with modern operas of course). That's why Mozart wrote a really cheesy "lessons learned" ending for Don Giovanni that frankly kills the mood, and the best productions of it just scrap it and end with him being dragged to hell. But the convention was definitely a relatively upbeat reflective ending back then.I've been to some Operas, the last song is usually like a summary of all the characters. Usually, not as epic and big as the climax.
I'm going to enjoy this album a lot.
This isnt even slightly true
Actually, Ben is right, some operas do have that format.
Others, of course, do not.
Er, actually it was, traditionally (not so with modern operas of course). That's why Mozart wrote a really cheesy "lessons learned" ending for Don Giovanni that frankly kills the mood, and the best productions of it just scrap it and end with him being dragged to hell. But the convention was definitely a relatively upbeat reflective ending back then.I've been to some Operas, the last song is usually like a summary of all the characters. Usually, not as epic and big as the climax.
I'm going to enjoy this album a lot.
This isnt even slightly true
So Victoria was a bird?
"The songbird stops to listen when he sings"
METROPOLIS, PT. 3 CONFIRMED
From my one listen to Moment of Betrayal on youtube - it sounded like his usual distorted bass tone on any other album.
I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
I'm shocked how good this sounds! :omg: :tup His playing is not robotic AT ALL.
Makes me wonder what do RC and JP do for the whole month of mixing! Just search your drummer's name on google and you will know how he is supposed to sound.I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
I'm shocked how good this sounds! :omg: :tup His playing is not robotic AT ALL.
I don't believe that the reason Manginis drums sound so .."strange" is because JP and RC don't know how to do it or because there is no drummer with them when they do the mix, but because they like it that way. Maybe they really want to take a step away from the "old" MP DT sound and create a new, unique one with/ for MM. JP must have been with MP countless times when they were producing and mixing his drums.
I can´t wait anymore... :o :o :o :o :o :oThankfully, just 9 more days :D
Thankfully, just 9 more days :D
Two VERY positive reviews in German:
https://www.crossfire-metal.de/12360-0-DREAM-THEATER-THE-ASTONISHING.html (https://www.crossfire-metal.de/12360-0-DREAM-THEATER-THE-ASTONISHING.html)
9 out of 10... praising Myung and Mangini, opposite from the French review...
https://www.metalglory.de/reviews.php?nr=27008 (https://www.metalglory.de/reviews.php?nr=27008)
They say the album is PERFECT, an absolute masterpiece, 10 out of 10.
I can´t wait anymore... :o :o :o :o :o :o
Thankfully, just 9 more days :D
For most people... I will wait the Brazilian edition, that could take one day more to one month more to be released.
Even buying the american version I would need to wait at least a week to arrive... :-\
I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
I'm shocked how good this sounds! :omg: :tup His playing is not robotic AT ALL.
"A New Beginning", the most ambitious piece with orgasm end.
Thankfully, just 9 more days :D
For most people... I will wait the Brazilian edition, that could take one day more to one month more to be released.
Even buying the american version I would need to wait at least a week to arrive... :-\
I'm sure there are reasons, but since MM sounded so good on BTFW, I don't know why they don't just duplicate whatever was done for that recording when setting up album recording.
Man, 9 days to go, and Amazon Canada still doesn't have a listing, aside from one for the vinyl version, with incorrect information, for nearly $200, which doesn't ship until February 5th.
(Amazon Canada also has no digital music service of any kind, and Prime, while the same price as in the US, doesn't include any sort of video service).
I really miss having a bunch of music stores around.
Yeah, Mike is a very energetic, creative drummer. It's a shame that it doesn't come across more on his DT albums so far.I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
I'm shocked how good this sounds! :omg: :tup His playing is not robotic AT ALL.
As I mentioned before, it's not the player. And notice how he's playing on a MUCH more simple kit (compared to his normal rig). I think the easiest thing to take away from the comparison between the Zildjian performance and the album (and something that is quite apparent based on the snare alone) is that the kit is incredibly compressed in DT12's mix. More so than most metal drums. Maybe compressed to hell and back and then also gated a little too hard (which leads to the sterile, robotic sound).
I'm sure there are reasons, but since MM sounded so good on BTFW, I don't know why they don't just duplicate whatever was done for that recording when setting up album recording.
It's definitely not ideal. The Canadian dollar is in the toilet right now, so the exchange is a real killer. Shipping is usually pretty expensive (no free shipping across the boarder), as well as several fees that they seem to tack on just for the heck of it (basically a 'hey, go back to Canadian Amazon so we can price gouge you' fee).Man, 9 days to go, and Amazon Canada still doesn't have a listing, aside from one for the vinyl version, with incorrect information, for nearly $200, which doesn't ship until February 5th.
(Amazon Canada also has no digital music service of any kind, and Prime, while the same price as in the US, doesn't include any sort of video service).
I really miss having a bunch of music stores around.
Can you just use the US version of Amazon? I know I have used the Euro version to buy something for myself in the US, but I'm guessing it'll be an issue to get it on time.
It's definitely not ideal. The Canadian dollar is in the toilet right now, so the exchange is a real killer. Shipping is usually pretty expensive (no free shipping across the boarder), as well as several fees that they seem to tack on just for the heck of it (basically a 'hey, go back to Canadian Amazon so we can price gouge you' fee).Man, 9 days to go, and Amazon Canada still doesn't have a listing, aside from one for the vinyl version, with incorrect information, for nearly $200, which doesn't ship until February 5th.
(Amazon Canada also has no digital music service of any kind, and Prime, while the same price as in the US, doesn't include any sort of video service).
I really miss having a bunch of music stores around.
Can you just use the US version of Amazon? I know I have used the Euro version to buy something for myself in the US, but I'm guessing it'll be an issue to get it on time.
I'll probably just hit up the local music stores around here and hope.
From the first German review posted above:Quote"A New Beginning", the most ambitious piece with orgasm end.
;D
It's definitely not ideal. The Canadian dollar is in the toilet right now, so the exchange is a real killer. Shipping is usually pretty expensive (no free shipping across the boarder), as well as several fees that they seem to tack on just for the heck of it (basically a 'hey, go back to Canadian Amazon so we can price gouge you' fee).Man, 9 days to go, and Amazon Canada still doesn't have a listing, aside from one for the vinyl version, with incorrect information, for nearly $200, which doesn't ship until February 5th.
(Amazon Canada also has no digital music service of any kind, and Prime, while the same price as in the US, doesn't include any sort of video service).
I really miss having a bunch of music stores around.
Can you just use the US version of Amazon? I know I have used the Euro version to buy something for myself in the US, but I'm guessing it'll be an issue to get it on time.
I'll probably just hit up the local music stores around here and hope.
Yea I hear ya, that sucks! I would imagine the music store would carry this. I was always able to find DT at my local Best Buy on release day, until they got rid of the CD section.
It's definitely not ideal. The Canadian dollar is in the toilet right now, so the exchange is a real killer. Shipping is usually pretty expensive (no free shipping across the boarder), as well as several fees that they seem to tack on just for the heck of it (basically a 'hey, go back to Canadian Amazon so we can price gouge you' fee).Man, 9 days to go, and Amazon Canada still doesn't have a listing, aside from one for the vinyl version, with incorrect information, for nearly $200, which doesn't ship until February 5th.
(Amazon Canada also has no digital music service of any kind, and Prime, while the same price as in the US, doesn't include any sort of video service).
I really miss having a bunch of music stores around.
Can you just use the US version of Amazon? I know I have used the Euro version to buy something for myself in the US, but I'm guessing it'll be an issue to get it on time.
I'll probably just hit up the local music stores around here and hope.
Yea I hear ya, that sucks! I would imagine the music store would carry this. I was always able to find DT at my local Best Buy on release day, until they got rid of the CD section.
They got rid of ALL THE CD SECTION? The last time I was in the states was last July, the Best Buy stores still had CD sections. They were pretty small though. I could not get the new Symphony X. The guy over there looked it up for me, I think they had Underworld in about one or two Best Buys in all Wisconsin. Wich is a shame.
In Germany you still have big stores similar to Best Buy (like Media Markt, Saturn, Medi Max etc.) where there is a decent CD section. I ordered The Astonishing LP set online and will buy the CD next friday at 9:30am in my local Saturn.
My favorite stores are still stores like The Great Escape, there you can still go in and spend hours looking for CDs and LPs.
They got rid of ALL THE CD SECTION? The last time I was in the states was last July, the Best Buy stores still had CD sections. They were pretty small though. I could not get the new Symphony X. The guy over there looked it up for me, I think they had Underworld in about one or two Best Buys in all Wisconsin. Wich is a shame.
In Germany you still have big stores similar to Best Buy (like Media Markt, Saturn, Medi Max etc.) where there is a decent CD section. I ordered The Astonishing LP set online and will buy the CD next friday at 9:30am in my local Saturn.
My favorite stores are still stores like The Great Escape, there you can still go in and spend hours looking for CDs and LPs.
Regarding additional updates and information, I predict
Regarding additional updates and information, I predict
Regarding additional updates and information, I predictSeems like PMU Syndrome is spreading these days, almost like a
The impression I got was that stuff wouldn't be released until the album is out, though. Not before.
I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing.
Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?
Regarding additional updates and information, I predictSeems like PMU Syndrome is spreading these days, almost like a
I was just watching THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTYWwqchhQ and it made me like Mangini a little more actually. He is playing with a lot of passion and a good sound (!!!!) and you will discover a lot of details in his playing. Why can't the drums on DT12 sound like this?Ohhh god. DAT sound. Absolutely different from record and that passion !
I like the TA drum sound better than DT12 (at least what I have heard in the trailer and TGOM), but it's still nothing compared to FII wich imo was the best drum sound DT ever had.
Can anyone please describe Myungs Bass sound on MoB (since I'm not gonna listen to it) please? Couldn't really hear that much Bass in TGOM. Is it like DT12? I always felt that the Bass on that album had a little too many frequencies in the middle section (sry for my English). if you listen to Clockwork Angels, now that's what I call an awesome Bass sound.
I predict that the Astonishing will be loaded with music.Bold.
I predict that the Astonishing will be loaded with music.
I predict that the Astonishing will be loaded with music.
Actually, it will really be loaded with music - and shut people up saying it's too technical whatever and not musical. It's just pure, beautiful, heartfelt music.
Well, that's a man with whom I cannot argue :lolI predict that the Astonishing will be loaded with music.
Actually, it will really be loaded with music - and shut people up saying it's too technical whatever and not musical. It's just pure, beautiful, heartfelt music.
I don't get it. The drums on that video sound equally as bad as on ADToE, yet everyone is praising them. BTFW is still Mangini's best drum sound when it comes to DT.
I don't get it. The drums on that video sound equally as bad as on ADToE, yet everyone is praising them. BTFW is still Mangini's best drum sound when it comes to DT.
I imagine if there's any update it will be an official release for MoB...
Interesting that Spotify, iTunes etc lists TGOM with 4.07 in length instead of 4.00 which is actually in the official CD. I wonder if this will change upon the release date.
Yeah, and in general, songs lengths are determined in the final stage (in the final master they send out for manufacturing), so having a 7 seconds difference with the allegedly "official" release tells me that the TGOM single came from an "early" master. So it might sound different in the actual cd.Interesting that Spotify, iTunes etc lists TGOM with 4.07 in length instead of 4.00 which is actually in the official CD. I wonder if this will change upon the release date.
I don't understand how the length could just be changed. The song would have to be cut off, or not?
#edit: Just checked again, the song actually stops at 4:01 or so.
Yeah, and in general, songs lengths are determined in the final stage (in the final master they send out for manufacturing), so having a 7 seconds difference with the allegedly "official" release tells me that the TGOM single came from an "early" master. So it might sound different in the actual cd.Interesting that Spotify, iTunes etc lists TGOM with 4.07 in length instead of 4.00 which is actually in the official CD. I wonder if this will change upon the release date.
I don't understand how the length could just be changed. The song would have to be cut off, or not?
#edit: Just checked again, the song actually stops at 4:01 or so.
At this point, only Noxon and a few others can confirm this.
Yeah, and in general, songs lengths are determined in the final stage (in the final master they send out for manufacturing), so having a 7 seconds difference with the allegedly "official" release tells me that the TGOM single came from an "early" master. So it might sound different in the actual cd.Interesting that Spotify, iTunes etc lists TGOM with 4.07 in length instead of 4.00 which is actually in the official CD. I wonder if this will change upon the release date.
I don't understand how the length could just be changed. The song would have to be cut off, or not?
#edit: Just checked again, the song actually stops at 4:01 or so.
At this point, only Noxon and a few others can confirm this.
Don't you think if the single versions are mastered differently, the promo version could be as well?
I am very excited for the final album sound.
... and shut people up saying it's too technical whatever and not musical.
I asked Rich Chycki on Twitter whether The Gift Of Music was pre or post final master and he said post master.
The timeline doesn't add up though - the mastering was done early december, but the gift of music was already sent out in the 4:07 version in mid november.
The timeline doesn't add up though - the mastering was done early december, but the gift of music was already sent out in the 4:07 version in mid november.
I asked Rich Chycki on Twitter whether The Gift Of Music was pre or post final master and he said post master.He may well have just meant post-mastering that song alone, rather than the whole album. Though of course, they presumably will have mastered it the same as they were planning to do the whole album, so I don't think it really matters.
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So it's only one point above DT12?
DR value is more like a tangible comparison of what you'd already hear. A way to quantify how badly something was compressed and pushed to the noise ceiling vs. other albums. After DR 6 or 7 you start to lose the ability to really distinguish how much dynamic range might be in a recording (unless you have a really good listening setup). What it tells us (the people who don't have the album yet) is that the dynamic range of the album is live and well, has room to breathe, and confirms a lot of the reviews saying as such.
https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/90578 (https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/90578)That's really interesting. Coma Ecliptic is definitely an excellent sounding album.
For instance, this is one of the best sounding album of last year, and it's just DR6. But it sounds amazing.
dt12 was also DR6. It did not sound amazing.
...and is coloring your first experience with their bias, emtee.
Mine as well. I really need to stay out of these threads and let go others opinions.
Hopefully there won't be any
I'm not too worried, the drums will be
Hopefully there won't be anyI'm not too worried, the drums will be
Maybe you should see a doctor, I'm afraid your PMU Syndrome is getting worse every
I'm not sure I understand the concerns from those who 'haven't heard' the album. There is a single release of the Gift of Music on Amazon which has been confirmed to be post-master. Moment of Betrayal was only a radio broadcast and subsequent youtube quality, so I somewhat understand the concern there. The mp3 of TGoM should be a barometer as to how you'll like the sound on the new album, not other people's reviews/comments.
Maybe you should see a doctor, I'm afraid your PMU Syndrome is getting worse every
I'm not sure I understand the concerns from those who 'haven't heard' the album. There is a single release of the Gift of Music on Amazon which has been confirmed to be post-master. Moment of Betrayal was only a radio broadcast and subsequent youtube quality, so I somewhat understand the concern there. The mp3 of TGoM should be a barometer as to how you'll like the sound on the new album, not other people's reviews/comments.
Your logic is absolutely right. BUT: Judging from the MOB track, the sound is a little different from TGOM. The bass is higher and rounder. So I assume that *maybe* they did some last minute changes to the master. And really the bad quality of a rip doesn't really affects the low frequencies so much.
I'm not sure I understand the concerns from those who 'haven't heard' the album. There is a single release of the Gift of Music on Amazon which has been confirmed to be post-master. Moment of Betrayal was only a radio broadcast and subsequent youtube quality, so I somewhat understand the concern there. The mp3 of TGoM should be a barometer as to how you'll like the sound on the new album, not other people's reviews/comments.
Your logic is absolutely right. BUT: Judging from the MOB track, the sound is a little different from TGOM. The bass is higher and rounder. So I assume that *maybe* they did some last minute changes to the master. And really the bad quality of a rip doesn't really affects the low frequencies so much.
So from what I understood from the pre-orders, we are supposed to get the CD on (or around) release date, along with a FLAC download, right? Does anybody know if that code will be emailed or will it be included with the CD?
So from what I understood from the pre-orders, we are supposed to get the CD on (or around) release date, along with a FLAC download, right? Does anybody know if that code will be emailed or will it be included with the CD?
If you bought it on RR store, it should be a link to download via email, the same way the pre-order TGoM was delivered. Dunno about Auto-Rip/Amazon though.
So from what I understood from the pre-orders, we are supposed to get the CD on (or around) release date, along with a FLAC download, right? Does anybody know if that code will be emailed or will it be included with the CD?
If you bought it on RR store, it should be a link to download via email, the same way the pre-order TGoM was delivered. Dunno about Auto-Rip/Amazon though.
Thanks, I should have stated that I ordered from the RR store. I would love to have those FLAC files on release day (or before, I wouldn't mind :metal)
So from what I understood from the pre-orders, we are supposed to get the CD on (or around) release date, along with a FLAC download, right? Does anybody know if that code will be emailed or will it be included with the CD?
If you bought it on RR store, it should be a link to download via email, the same way the pre-order TGoM was delivered. Dunno about Auto-Rip/Amazon though.
Thanks, I should have stated that I ordered from the RR store. I would love to have those FLAC files on release day (or before, I wouldn't mind :metal)
First thing I'm going to do when I get home next Friday will be to load up those FLAC files, and zone in to The Astonishing for 2 hours and 10 minutes :D
That review seemed to be too negative for a 9.5 score. He criticized the first act being too long, and the second act only had a few good songs?
That review seemed to be too negative for a 9.5 score. He criticized the first act being too long, and the second act only had a few good songs?
Too negative? He had 2 negative things to say about it in the entire article. Did you miss the part where he said he'll look back on it with fond memories?
What's with flying robot spheres?
Interesting how that review has Moment of Betreyal as the best song on the album. What do the people who have heard the album make of this?
Hopefully there won't be anyI'm not too worried, the drums will be
Maybe you should see a doctor, I'm afraid your PMU Syndrome is getting worse every
What's with flying robot spheres?
Welcome to several months ago. FYI, your Delorian got a parking ticket because you forgot to feed the meter.
MOB has been posted on the official channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yhFSTAyHWs
Followed through a link from YtseItalia News.
Just listened to it again. I'm digging this song.
EDIT: Except the raise in pitch for the final chorus. No band or artist should ever do that. Ever.
Just listened to it again. I'm digging this song.
EDIT: Except the raise in pitch for the final chorus. No band or artist should ever do that. Ever.
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
I still can't get enough of the first 25 seconds before the guitar kicks in. This is one of the most awesome DT-related music parts I've heard for ages.
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
I still can't get enough of the first 25 seconds before the guitar kicks in. This is one of the most awesome DT-related music parts I've heard for ages.
It's pretty for sure. But VERY VERY similar to ITNOG.
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8 days before release as well! :metardica:
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
I didn't like MoB that much the first 4-5 times i listened to it. I decided to wait until the album to listen again, but once i saw it on youtube in better quality i had to listen One Last Time. I'm starting to really like this song! And if the average quality of the album is the same as TGoM and MoB, then we may have another DT masterpiece :omg:
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
I still can't get enough of the first 25 seconds before the guitar kicks in. This is one of the most awesome DT-related music parts I've heard for ages.
It's pretty for sure. But VERY VERY similar to ITNOG.
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
Yes, and I love that. Just listen to Lionheart by TNT. The final chorus is glorious!
B.Lee
Modulation is the essential part of the art. Without it there is little music, for a piece derives its true beauty not from the large number of fixed modes which it embraces but rather from the subtle fabric of its modulation.^That. And in recent "popular music" history, modulating a final chorus has been done FREQUENTLY for effect precisely because it works effectively.
— Charles-Henri Blainville (1767)
Yes, and I love that. Just listen to Lionheart by TNT. The final chorus is glorious!
B.Lee
Just listened to it again. I'm digging this song.
EDIT: Except the raise in pitch for the final chorus. No band or artist should ever do that. Ever.
I feel having the song title in the chorus (and repeated so many times) is a bit cheesy. Those lines could have been used to add more to the story.
Does any think the chorus of A Moment of Betrayal is a bit similiar to a part in "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate" from Iron Maiden" ? The following part:
"I will hope, my soul will fly, so I will live forever
Heart will die, my soul will fly, and I will live forever"
It just gets stuck in my head every time I listen to Moment of Betrayal :p
Does any think the chorus of A Moment of Betrayal is a bit similiar to a part in "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate" from Iron Maiden" ? The following part:
"I will hope, my soul will fly, so I will live forever
Heart will die, my soul will fly, and I will live forever"
It just gets stuck in my head every time I listen to Moment of Betrayal :p
With all the snare talk, I just listened to Circus Maximus new song "The Weight" and thought the snare sounded approx the same as MM's in the Astonishing. Might it be that the "progressive rock/metal snare" is supposed to sound this way today? Also, I wonder if people will show the same "emotional" degree when it comes to Circus Maximus snare drum or if this is a preconcived notion against MM with the history of MP in the band. Just curious on a general basis.
Personally, I have no skin in the snare game, although I understand both sides of the argument - I belive it comes down to personal preference.
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
With all the snare talk, I just listened to Circus Maximus new song "The Weight" and thought the snare sounded approx the same as MM's in the Astonishing. Might it be that the "progressive rock/metal snare" is supposed to sound this way today? Also, I wonder if people will show the same "emotional" degree when it comes to Circus Maximus snare drum or if this is a preconcived notion against MM with the history of MP in the band. Just curious on a general basis.
Personally, I have no skin in the snare game, although I understand both sides of the argument - I belive it comes down to personal preference.
I feel having the song title in the chorus (and repeated so many times) is a bit cheesy. Those lines could have been used to add more to the story.
Yeah.. That's one of the things i don't like about DT12. Out of the non-instrumental songs they all use the title in the chorus except Illumination Theory. (sometimes it works, other times it feels forced.)
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
Am I missing something? I just posted a new track from the album, but nobody replies to it? :huh:
Am I missing something? I just posted a new track from the album, but nobody replies to it? :huh:It was posted 2 or 3 times before :lol Both the billboard link and the official youtube link on their youtube channel
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
Yeah, when one of his criticisms of the album is "why does this ballad need to exist when we just had that ballad"... They're quite different, emotionally and texturally, and serve as character introductions. But it is as I predicted...
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/
I pretty much disagree with a lot that reviewer writes and it seems to me that he only likes the more metal parts of DT. My initial sentiment of TA is more in the line with Noxon. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Yeah, when one of his criticisms of the album is "why does this ballad need to exist when we just had that ballad"... They're quite different, emotionally and texturally, and serve as character introductions. But it is as I predicted...
Yeah, when one of his criticisms of the album is "why does this ballad need to exist when we just had that ballad"... They're quite different, emotionally and texturally, and serve as character introductions. But it is as I predicted...I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems he's also judging it as a normal album, with his comments about filler tracks and so on, rather than as a rock opera. In fairness though, he admits right up front that unlike what he would usually do, he DID review in the context of DT's catalogue. I do find that a bit strange though.
“Other things could come out of it because the story is very rich as far as the characters and plot, so a video game, novel or anything else might happen; a movie or even a musical,” says Petrucci. “A bunch of those things I mentioned are in the works, and as they get closer we’ll reveal the schedule of [release].”
Would have figured he'd wait to see if enough people would like the album so much as to prompt creating something based on it in a different medium.
I think The Human Equation can also be considered a rock opera, yet there are no filler tracks there imo, so the criticism the reviewer made about filler tracks seems valid to me.
I think The Human Equation can also be considered a rock opera, yet there are no filler tracks there imo, so the criticism the reviewer made about filler tracks seems valid to me.
I think The Human Equation can also be considered a rock opera, yet there are no filler tracks there imo, so the criticism the reviewer made about filler tracks seems valid to me.
I'm not talking about it being a double album, I'm talking about it being a rock opera. The Human Equation has tracks I wouldn't listen to on their own, but as a rock opera it is well paced and everything contributes well to the story, so no filler. I'm just pointing out that the reviewer is judging the album a certain way that it's not necessarily intended. Wasn't a criticism as such.I think The Human Equation can also be considered a rock opera, yet there are no filler tracks there imo, so the criticism the reviewer made about filler tracks seems valid to me.
I find it a weird criticism of the criticism as well. Quite a few bands' double albums suffer from the filler problem. Whether it actually applies to this album remains to be seen, but is a common and perfectly valid criticism overall.
meta-criticism
rab7, but you haven't heard the album, this guy has. I mean, he obviously has far more basis for his criticism than you have for the meta-criticism.
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/ (https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/)
EDIT: people who aren't interested in lukewarm reviews, stay away.
I don't like the word filler, or at least the context it's used in. It's a track written for the sole purpose of filling the length of the album but it doesn't neccesarily imply a track being underwhelming as songs like Black Sabbath's Paranoid are filler as said by the band themselves yet the song is really well-regarded. It seems a lot of people don't consider this when calling something filler.
Using current logic: If filler track = I don't like this song ; then there is a lot of filler bands out there - for my taste anyway.;-)I don't like the word filler, or at least the context it's used in. It's a track written for the sole purpose of filling the length of the album but it doesn't neccesarily imply a track being underwhelming as songs like Black Sabbath's Paranoid are filler as said by the band themselves yet the song is really well-regarded. It seems a lot of people don't consider this when calling something filler.
Quite. The word filler is thrown about by people who use it to mean " I don't like this song ".
New review from Heavy Blog is Heavy.
https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/ (https://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2016/01/21/dream-theater-the-astonishing/)
EDIT: people who aren't interested in lukewarm reviews, stay away.
I love how this guy started by praising the band in the first 4 - 5 paragraphs then went straight into bashing them under his brutal critic.
It was so sudden and so unexpected... especially for that 3/5 at the end.
I also wonder how much attention this guy paid to the mix and how he actually listened to it... I can hear Myung on MoB with earphones, even though the bass covers some very low frequencies!
If you could call anything on the album filler (without having heard them myself), you could maybe make an argument for the NOMAC tracks.
I don't get what the reviewer ment by he cant hear Myung's bass. I hear it just fine. >:(
https://www.metalwani.com/2016/01/review-dream-theater-the-astonishing.html
But I will say the when compared to the stories told in other concept albums it is pretty straightforward. I felt that there was more emphasis on characters and their relationships rather than in telling an intriguing story. Evidence of this can be found throughout the album through James LaBrie’s passionate performances of the characters.
It's a great song, so I can certainly see it. Of the tracks I have heard, my favorite would either be Moment of Betrayal or Savior In the Square.
It's a great song, so I can certainly see it. Of the tracks I have heard, my favorite would either be Moment of Betrayal or Savior In the Square.
Altering listening to Moment of Betrayal...
That's not a good sign.
It's a great song, so I can certainly see it. Of the tracks I have heard, my favorite would either be Moment of Betrayal or Savior In the Square.
Altering listening to Moment of Betrayal...
That's not a good sign.
"Of the tracks I have heard"
Speaking of which, what were the 9 songs included in the promo of the album (if that can be answered)?
It's a great song, so I can certainly see it. Of the tracks I have heard, my favorite would either be Moment of Betrayal or Savior In the Square.
Altering listening to Moment of Betrayal...
That's not a good sign.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
This is legit and can thus be shared, right?
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6851509/dream-theater-moment-of-betrayal-song-premiere-the-astonishing-album
(new song, "Moment of Betrayal")
This is legit and can thus be shared, right?
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6851509/dream-theater-moment-of-betrayal-song-premiere-the-astonishing-album
(new song, "Moment of Betrayal")
Maybe you didn 't realise it, but this version of MoB is far better quality wise than Eddie Trunks one.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
Cut those two and you'd have an even weaker album that what it already is, in my opinion.
In the case of TA, in many regards I'm not sure what would even constitute filler. Perhaps with over two hours of music it's not all going to be their best, but it will all serve a purpose
Can not hear Myung. Mangini does same fills over and over.Yeah, can't take that review seriously at all.
So they really are just copying and pasting their old negative comments without even bothering to listen to the actual music.
Speaking of which, what were the 9 songs included in the promo of the album (if that can be answered)?
With all that has been revealed by this point, I don't see why not. I mean, we have reviews that discuss the tracks. So I will include a bit of detail.
1. Descent of the NOMACS -- NOMAC noise as an intro to the album. It makes sense. Not a big, bombastic opening. Just sound effects to set the stage.
2. Dystopian Overture -- This is the true "opening" of the album. What can I say? It is an overture. DT have written some nice overtures, and this may just be their best. Lots of interesting new sounds I am not used to hearing from DT. The choir really adds a lot to the atmosphere.
3. The Gift of Music -- You all have heard it.
4. Lord Nafaryus -- Oh, just...YES! Nice military march-y type theme going throughout. Very appropriate to the subject matter. There is a palpable Queen influence here, especially in the vocal department. It is big. It is grand sounding. It is just a lot of fun.
5. A Savior in the Square - When Your Time Has Come -- LOTS of really cool parts in this one. This is one of those songs that has cool themes show up, and then moves on to something else. It does that frequently, but seamlessly. Really nice track from start to finish. And, for this album, a long track. The opening, to me, has a Count of Tuscany vibe.
6. Chosen -- Soaring ballad with great vocals and piano work. For the most part, I prefer DT's heavier songs to their "ballady" type songs. But they have written some incredibly strong ones in the Mangini era, and this is another one.
7. Moment of Betrayal -- You all have heard this one, too. I really like it. Piano, dat riff!, ...soaring vocals from James. Yeah, it just works.
8. The Path That Divides -- Major plot point seems to happen here. I can tell that even without having the whole story. The music is dark and moody. Nice track.
9. Our New World -- Major ear worm. Many will have the chorus stuck in their heads the week after release, I guarantee it.
2. Dystopian Overture -- This is the true "opening" of the album. What can I say? It is an overture. DT have written some nice overtures, and this may just be their best. Lots of interesting new sounds I am not used to hearing from DT. The choir really adds a lot to the atmosphere.This makes me very happy especially since I take it you don't generally enjoy the instrumental songs as much.
How well do ASitS and WYTHC flow as one unit as they are presented on the promo? Is it really obvious that it's two songs when you listen to them as one track? Sorry about all the questions.
2. Dystopian Overture -- This is the true "opening" of the album. What can I say? It is an overture. DT have written some nice overtures, and this may just be their best. Lots of interesting new sounds I am not used to hearing from DT. The choir really adds a lot to the atmosphere.This makes me very happy especially since I take it you don't generally enjoy the instrumental songs as much.
the guy gives the album a 9.5 and you're picking apart his criticisms :lolIt was a 3/5 review (that read quite negatively for that score) that people were talking about mainly,
I'm kind of surprised that people were surprised to see a quality jump between the official track release for MoB and the Eddie Trunk radio rip version.
I'm kind of surprised that people were surprised to see a quality jump between the official track release for MoB and the Eddie Trunk radio rip version.
Beats me too. Seems like people just don't have the timefor musicto reason properly about that anymore.
I thought the listening parties thread was labeled spoilers cause this one is spoiler free bosk, I thought we're only discussing released material in here.
Looks like I thought wrong and gotta keep away for a while heh
Listened to Moment of Betrayal on the more quality version... I don't get it. It sounds better which is nice and I think the opening riff is actually pretty sweet. I think its one of the worst DT instrumentals in their catalogue outside of the kick ass Petrucci solo. I still think the chorus is lifeless and just plain bad. Just not a good song.
As for MM.... I think he is fine on TGOM but I completely agree with the latest review of how he sounds on MOB. There is not a single interesting drum part and his drumming is actually quite annoying.
I think DT12 was a great return to form for the band and I had no issues with MM's drumming. Its really bad on MOB though....
Listened to Moment of Betrayal on the more quality version... I don't get it. It sounds better which is nice and I think the opening riff is actually pretty sweet. I think its one of the worst DT instrumentals in their catalogue outside of the kick ass Petrucci solo. I still think the chorus is lifeless and just plain bad. Just not a good song.
As for MM.... I think he is fine on TGOM but I completely agree with the latest review of how he sounds on MOB. There is not a single interesting drum part and his drumming is actually quite annoying.
I think DT12 was a great return to form for the band and I had no issues with MM's drumming. Its really bad on MOB though....
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
So you're referring specifically to when he do his machine-gun drums thing?
As for MM.... I think he is fine on TGOM but I completely agree with the latest review of how he sounds on MOB. There is not a single interesting drum part and his drumming is actually quite annoying.Oh yeah? Because frantic overplaying of quads on toms/splashes/stacks/everything in sight is so much more original. </sarcasm>
Moment of Betrayal is up on DT's official YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yhFSTAyHWs
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
So you're referring specifically to when he do his machine-gun drums thing?
Yeah, it's all the snare. It would need more dynamics and/or additional drums to work for me. It doesn't hold the section together enough given the rhythm of what the rest of the band is doing.
Just imo obviously. :) No problem at all with MM on TA so far other than that. I'm feeling a lot more of the classic DT vibe from his playing.
I mean, to make an analogy with the film world, the guy is criticizing the pacing of the album. They are trying to tell a story, and when you do that, the pacing becomes very important. Once again, I can't at all say whether the criticism is valid, but in general, criticizing an album based on whether or not it paces well, or had too much filler, is a complete fine aspect to criticize.Pacing would certainly be a fair thing to talk about, but that's not what I got from it. Maybe it's the language used; as others have commented, the word "filler" gets misused a lot. Filler implies the track could just be scrapped, but by most accounts the plot wouldn't make sense and the emotional story wouldn't either. Like I said, it's different to a traditional album. I've never seen an opera or musical where every bit of music is killer standalone, that's just not the point.
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
So you're referring specifically to when he do his machine-gun drums thing?
Yeah, it's all the snare. It would need more dynamics and/or additional drums to work for me. It doesn't hold the section together enough given the rhythm of what the rest of the band is doing.
Just imo obviously. :) No problem at all with MM on TA so far other than that. I'm feeling a lot more of the classic DT vibe from his playing.
Yeah. Among his repertoire, that's one that does get tiring if overdone. I like it when he does it in spurts. Surprisingly, I like it in The Enemy Inside. Maybe because in that song he is doing it with one hand and mixing up other interesting tidbits with his other hand. :lol
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
So you're referring specifically to when he do his machine-gun drums thing?
Yeah, it's all the snare. It would need more dynamics and/or additional drums to work for me. It doesn't hold the section together enough given the rhythm of what the rest of the band is doing.
Just imo obviously. :) No problem at all with MM on TA so far other than that. I'm feeling a lot more of the classic DT vibe from his playing.
Yeah. Among his repertoire, that's one that does get tiring if overdone. I like it when he does it in spurts. Surprisingly, I like it in The Enemy Inside. Maybe because in that song he is doing it with one hand and mixing up other interesting tidbits with his other hand. :lol
As for MM.... I think he is fine on TGOM but I completely agree with the latest review of how he sounds on MOB. There is not a single interesting drum part and his drumming is actually quite annoying.Oh yeah? Because frantic overplaying of quads on toms/splashes/stacks/everything in sight is so much more original. </sarcasm>
I enjoy MM's work more on this album so far probably because there's less room for him to overdo it. The major reason I don't like MOB that much though is I find the pre-chorus annoying, which is in large part due to the drums.
So you're referring specifically to when he do his machine-gun drums thing?
Yeah, it's all the snare. It would need more dynamics and/or additional drums to work for me. It doesn't hold the section together enough given the rhythm of what the rest of the band is doing.
Just imo obviously. :) No problem at all with MM on TA so far other than that. I'm feeling a lot more of the classic DT vibe from his playing.
Yeah. Among his repertoire, that's one that does get tiring if overdone. I like it when he does it in spurts. Surprisingly, I like it in The Enemy Inside. Maybe because in that song he is doing it with one hand and mixing up other interesting tidbits with his other hand. :lol
I love the drumming on TEI but I agree that on MOB that there's some stuff going on that doesn't really fit. Not enough to really annoy me but noticeable.
Other than that I am liking it - unfortunately the better sound quality doesn't alter the awful rhythm guitar tone (lead is beautiful as usual). Funnily enough I find JP's album rhythm tone is way too thick/muddy (this and Dt12) and live ......way too tinny :lol
Maybe I am just reading too much into it. :lol
For my ears Moment Of Betrayal recorded from a radio show and uploaded to YouTube still sounded nicer than most of DT12 in its original CD quality. I remember complaining about the The Enemy Inside online premiere during the last album cycle and how fatiguing I felt it was. The CD wasn't much better.
Both The Gift Of Music and Moment Of Betrayal made me hit the replay button immediately and both songs got better and better every time. That's the Dream Theater experience I like: Positive confusion the first time I hear it and coming back again and again for more details and awesomeness.
Greetings...
Nef
German Review...
https://powermetal.de/review/review-Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing,27540.html
The most common things among the reviews so far seem to be: how different the album is from past DT albums, and praising James LaBrie's vocal performance.
German Review...
https://powermetal.de/review/review-Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing,27540.html
As far as my German go, I could see three main points:
1. The album is different from others.
2. Labrie is amazing.
3. The critic wouldn´t place this album among his favorites from DT, but he confess the album is too complex to judge in a couple spins, and it´s a grower.
I love the odd time signature after the first chorus. It's almost dissonant, which is so different it's killer.
I love the odd time signature after the first chorus. It's almost dissonant, which is so different it's killer.
The cool thing is, that's actually 4/4 the whole way through, but in "Never leave a man behind", they subdivide it differently. Not sure what the musical term for it is, but the entire verse is in 4/4.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
Nope. Awake's first 3 songs are the best 3.
The album bores me after that.
Seriously? how come?CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
Nope. Awake's first 3 songs are the best 3.
The album bores me after that.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
Nope. Awake's first 3 songs are the worst 3.
The album is outstanding after that.
CIAW? Filler??? What the what???
Yeah, it and Innocence Faded are my two least favorite songs on the album. Cut those two and I think you have a much better album overall. In my opinion.
Nope. Awake's first 3 songs are the best 3.
The album bores me after that.
in what universe is 6:00 better than voices? :lol :lol
Anyway, concerning the Circus Maximus song (yeah I'm sooo las week), I think the drums sound nothing like The Astonishing. More like Haken, at least the snare. The toms don't sound awesome, but they don't bother me. All in all a really good song! I really like this band but I'm not so much into the singers voice. Does anyone else have the feeling that there are similarities between The Weight's chorus and the one in Breaking All Illusions ("Searching out, reaching in...")?
Anyway, concerning the Circus Maximus song (yeah I'm sooo las week), I think the drums sound nothing like The Astonishing. More like Haken, at least the snare. The toms don't sound awesome, but they don't bother me. All in all a really good song! I really like this band but I'm not so much into the singers voice. Does anyone else have the feeling that there are similarities between The Weight's chorus and the one in Breaking All Illusions ("Searching out, reaching in...")?
IIRC, the song 'Last Goodbye' off of the last CM album Nine had a similar chorus and is kind of like a longer and more proggy version of 'The Weight'.
I dunno I liked the frantic drumming there, it creates a good sense of buildup.
Man, I wish Rudess would get better patches. His synthstrings still sound awful here.
Well duh...German Review...
https://powermetal.de/review/review-Dream_Theater/The_Astonishing,27540.html
As far as my German go, I could see three main points:
1. The album is different from others.
2. Labrie is amazing.
Honestly have to say, that the first album by CM is the only one I really checked out, the second one I heard about 9-10 times, maybe. I haven't heard Nine, but I am listening to Last Goodbye now.
What does IIRC mean?
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
You are correct. And I know what is there. :)
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
You are correct. And I know what is there. :)
The next Star Wars movie?
Dunno how I missed this reply, can you give us any info about what will go there?
okay, new question
Man, I wish Rudess would get better patches. His synthstrings still sound awful here.
I'm pretty sure JR said in an interview that he mostly played piano and organ on the album, so when you hear strings, that's an orchestra playing, not JR...
okay, new question
Man, I wish Rudess would get better patches. His synthstrings still sound awful here.
I'm pretty sure JR said in an interview that he mostly played piano and organ on the album, so when you hear strings, that's an orchestra playing, not JR...
why does the orchestra sound like JR's synthstrings
Whilst it's been mildly frustrating on occasion, the promo campaign has been enjoyable. And unpredictable. Who, in October, would have thought we'd end up with a 34-track album? All our perceptions of what a DT album should be were wiped away, week by week.
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
You are correct. And I know what is there. :)
The next Star Wars movie?
Dunno how I missed this reply, can you give us any info about what will go there?
The second video leaked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mY9J2Z57Y
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
You are correct. And I know what is there. :)
The next Star Wars movie?
Dunno how I missed this reply, can you give us any info about what will go there?
The second video leaked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mY9J2Z57Y
Dunno if this means anything yet, but they didn't put MoB in the second video slot on the website...
You are correct. And I know what is there. :)
The next Star Wars movie?
Dunno how I missed this reply, can you give us any info about what will go there?
The second video leaked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mY9J2Z57Y
Sweet Child O' Mine is widely considered by GNR as a filler and is hated by Slash...
Becomes band's most famous song ever.
2 things:Point 2. That's a pretty bold claim - prove it! ;-)
1 - Bosk: (in MOB) what would be that riff you mentioned?
2 - Almost any piano sound that I have sounds much better that the piano recorded in The Astonishing. Besides that, the song is amazing!
in what universe is 6:00 better than voices? :lol :lol
Someone else's subjective, valid opinion.
I also like 6:00 better than Voices.
2 things:Point 2. That's a pretty bold claim - prove it! ;-)
1 - Bosk: (in MOB) what would be that riff you mentioned?
2 - Almost any piano sound that I have sounds much better that the piano recorded in The Astonishing. Besides that, the song is amazing!
Does the album release fill your thoughts all the time too? Not a single hour goes by without me thinking about the album. The wait is getting pretty hard by now. In one week i'll have listened to the album about 2-3 times, but right now it feels like it's a year away
Does the album release fill your thoughts all the time too? Not a single hour goes by without me thinking about the album. The wait is getting pretty hard by now. In one week i'll have listened to the album about 2-3 times, but right now it feels like it's a year away
It's Metric Modulation, CMIIW ;DI love the odd time signature after the first chorus. It's almost dissonant, which is so different it's killer.
The cool thing is, that's actually 4/4 the whole way through, but in "Never leave a man behind", they subdivide it differently. Not sure what the musical term for it is, but the entire verse is in 4/4.
It's Metric Modulation, CMIIW ;D
Since Mangini era, you can hear a lot of this metric modulation. And yes, it just like the tempo of the song suddenly change
In Outro Moment of Betrayal (outro that used in trailer) you can hear this metric modulation again. It's still 4/4 with Original tempo but we feel like the tempo is suddenly change :D
Am I only one who heard some sort of reference to The Gift of Music in the guitar solo of Moment of Betrayal? That chord transition around 4:19 really sounds like the one around 2:31 of TGOM.
Maybe I am just reading too much into it. :lol
Either way, while I liked MoB on the first couple of listens, its a grower, and now I think it's fucking amazing :tup
It's Metric Modulation, CMIIW ;DI love the odd time signature after the first chorus. It's almost dissonant, which is so different it's killer.
The cool thing is, that's actually 4/4 the whole way through, but in "Never leave a man behind", they subdivide it differently. Not sure what the musical term for it is, but the entire verse is in 4/4.
Since Mangini era, you can hear a lot of this metric modulation. And yes, it just like the tempo of the song suddenly change
In Outro Moment of Betrayal (outro that used in trailer) you can hear this metric modulation again. It's still 4/4 with Original tempo but we feel like the tempo is suddenly change :D
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
Am I the only one who always thinks "Transatlantic" when "TA" is written by somebody?
Can't get the chorus of Moment Of Betrayal out of my head.
Am I the only one who always thinks "Transatlantic" when "TA" is written by somebody?
You're not alone :lol
I wish people would write out the whole title. If you're on phone it's a pain I know but on desktop with a full keyboard it takes like 2 seconds.
I'm losing time while waiting on this album so anxiously...I need to surrender to reason and just put it out of my mind for awhile.
when dream and day unite awake images and words falling into infinity metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory six degrees of inner turbulence train of thought octavarium systematic chaos black clouds & silver linings a dramatic turn of events dream theater the astonishing
when dream and day unite awake images and words falling into infinity metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory six degrees of inner turbulence train of thought octavarium systematic chaos black clouds & silver linings raw dog a dramatic turn of events dream theater the astonishing
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switchedIt's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switchedIt's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.
Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.
Word.
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switchedIt's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.
Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.
Word.
Definitely.Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
I actually did hahaha
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
I didn't, and I'm a Final Fantasy fanatic. I heard it immediately in Bridges in the Sky, for instance.
I really hope the digital downloads through RR to become available 3 days earlier like it happened with DT12.It would be nice, but don't count on it.
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switchedIt's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.
Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.
Word.
Sounds legit.
I really hope the digital downloads through RR to become available 3 days earlier like it happened with DT12.
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
The most 'Final Fantasy' DT has ever sounded is during Bridges in the Sky. There's one part that's literally reprising a theme from Final Fantasy VIII. :lol
I'll just leave this here.
And now for something completely different... the band and I discussed it, we will be focusing on brand new material and putting The Earthchime Trilogy on hold indefinitely.
We start writing next week. All the great material we've worked on is going on the back burner. Haven't spoken to our singer yet but I'm sure Hignite will be more than up to task to join us on some co-writing. No one wants to make concept albums with the same prophetic thrust.
Best,
Dietrick, Brian & Craig
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Mindcage Press Release from Blabbermouth, 2013
Coming this fall with the September 17 release date is "Our Own Devices" from Florida-based progressive metallers MINDCAGE.
Mixed and mastered by rock legend Michael Wagener (METALLICA, OZZY OSBOURNE, SKID ROW, DOKKEN, RAVEN, MEGADETH), "Our Own Devices" is a fantasy storybook set to music. Combining cultural and literary elements of steampunk, dystopian society and futuristic technologies with highly articulate progressive metal music, the album transports the listener to a world broken and needing a hero. That oppressive world is devoid of arts, creativity, light, and ultimately, humanity. But from it springs an enigmatic character, Arabella Vash, who is called to The One Constant, a group of rebels who maintain the history and teachings of the last free society.
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Dream Theater Press Release from Blabbermouth, 2016:
"The Astonishing" paints a tale of a retro-futurist post-apocalyptic dystopia ruled by medieval style feudalism. It's a place aching for a Chosen One to rise above the noise and defeat an Empire defined by the endless drone of noise machines and the illusion of safety in bland conformity.
The band comments on "The Astonishing" artwork: "This album cover extends an ominous invitation into the retro-futurist dystopian setting of 'The Astonishing'. The deceptively beautiful yet chillingly totalitarian image is a bold harbinger of the visual components and ideas presented by the sonic story that is our most ambitious creative work to date. We are very proud to soon bring you… 'The Astonishing'."
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Similarities include character names, story arc, drones, a chosen one freeing a totalitarian dystopia from oppression and restoring the free society, arts and music that was systematically being bred out by an oppressive empire.
The story arc and character names are just too close to OOD, and though the next two will completely turn the story inside out... it's not time to tell those tales. We will just have the boys wrote some kick ass no-frills metal... how about that?
AetherWax Music
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Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-new-song-moment-of-betrayal-available-for-streaming/#JYa2A4KPDOBHbppS.99
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
Another DT related conspiracy
That doesn't mean these things are alike. In fact, it shows that the same basic ideas can be used to tell different stories without any issue.Bingo.
Correct me of I'm wrong but I understood from this interview that JP and JR wrote most of the music to this album on their own and NOT in studio jamming sessions with MM and JMX as usual, if so then this just doubled my excitement for this album! Not specifically for the exclusion of MM & JM but for the fact that the album is not the product of filtering through jam sessions which I never thought was a good creative process, I believe it's best when you go into the studio having a good 90% of what's going to be on the record.
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
That may be true, but I still think it's lamentable that the back story already seems to suffer from so many issues before we have even seen it. DT has been accused of WWRD so many times over their career, you'd think they would stay from it for this ambitious project. I was talking to two friends of mine yesterday at the Queensryche concert, and I laid out the TA story to them. They both burst out laughing, and I was asked "it doesn't take place in the 22nd century by any chance, does it?" to which I had to reply "yeah, it does".
Speaking of which, what were the 9 songs included in the promo of the album (if that can be answered)?
With all that has been revealed by this point, I don't see why not. I mean, we have reviews that discuss the tracks. So I will include a bit of detail.
1. Descent of the NOMACS -- NOMAC noise as an intro to the album. It makes sense. Not a big, bombastic opening. Just sound effects to set the stage.
2. Dystopian Overture -- This is the true "opening" of the album. What can I say? It is an overture. DT have written some nice overtures, and this may just be their best. Lots of interesting new sounds I am not used to hearing from DT. The choir really adds a lot to the atmosphere.
3. The Gift of Music -- You all have heard it.
4. Lord Nafaryus -- Oh, just...YES! Nice military march-y type theme going throughout. Very appropriate to the subject matter. There is a palpable Queen influence here, especially in the vocal department. It is big. It is grand sounding. It is just a lot of fun.
5. A Savior in the Square - When Your Time Has Come -- LOTS of really cool parts in this one. This is one of those songs that has cool themes show up, and then moves on to something else. It does that frequently, but seamlessly. Really nice track from start to finish. And, for this album, a long track. The opening, to me, has a Count of Tuscany vibe.
6. Chosen -- Soaring ballad with great vocals and piano work. For the most part, I prefer DT's heavier songs to their "ballady" type songs. But they have written some incredibly strong ones in the Mangini era, and this is another one.
7. Moment of Betrayal -- You all have heard this one, too. I really like it. Piano, dat riff!, ...soaring vocals from James. Yeah, it just works.
8. The Path That Divides -- Major plot point seems to happen here. I can tell that even without having the whole story. The music is dark and moody. Nice track.
9. Our New World -- Major ear worm. Many will have the chorus stuck in their heads the week after release, I guarantee it.
Oh crap, I thought it was 2185. Either way, it doesn't make too much of a difference with my overall point. Is there anyone here who didn't immediately say "oh, 2112" when they heard the back story?
I mean, same thing with the map. They're trying to create a self-contained universe in which their story plays, but then they make the map a knockoff of the Greater New York area, by just borrowing the names. It's just, it almost strikes me as intentional sabotage. This stuff will dominate the reviews and many peoples' perception of the album.
Oh crap, I thought it was 2185. Either way, it doesn't make too much of a difference with my overall point. Is there anyone here who didn't immediately say "oh, 2112" when they heard the back story?
I mean, same thing with the map. They're trying to create a self-contained universe in which their story plays, but then they make the map a knockoff of the Greater New England area (G.N.E.A.), by just badly modifying the names. It's just, it almost strikes me as intentional sabotage. This stuff will dominate the reviews and many peoples' perception of the album.
Oh crap, I thought it was 2185. Either way, it doesn't make too much of a difference with my overall point. Is there anyone here who didn't immediately say "oh, 2112" when they heard the back story?
I mean, same thing with the map. They're trying to create a self-contained universe in which their story plays, but then they make the map a knockoff of the Greater New England area (G.N.E.A.), by just badly modifying the names. It's just, it almost strikes me as intentional sabotage. This stuff will dominate the reviews and many peoples' perception of the album.
Now I have a question for anyone that's heard some or all of the album. If it's mostly ballads, are any of them on the level The Spirit Carries On is? That's one of my all time favorite DT songs.
No.
I'm excited about seeing it live.
I understand now what JP means. As I said in the encore song thread in the concert section, We are going to see The Astonishing live show not a Dream Theater show.
I'm excited about seeing it live.
I understand now what JP means. As I said in the encore song thread in the concert section, We are going to see The Astonishing live show not a Dream Theater show.
Yes it's going to be especially special... can't wait for the 1st and 2nd of March
I'm excited about seeing it live.
I understand now what JP means. As I said in the encore song thread in the concert section, We are going to see The Astonishing live show not a Dream Theater show.
I'm excited about seeing it live.
I understand now what JP means. As I said in the encore song thread in the concert section, We are going to see The Astonishing live show not a Dream Theater show.
Roger Waters did the same with his The Wall show. The last song on the album was also the last song in the concert. But it "felt" like an encore, because The Trial is the climax of the album. So I think this could work very well, granted that Astonishing is NOT the climax. I had my doubts before the RW concert, but I was surprised afterwards how well it worked!
Oh crap, I thought it was 2185. Either way, it doesn't make too much of a difference with my overall point. Is there anyone here who didn't immediately say "oh, 2112" when they heard the back story?The setting/back story, yeah. But as others have pointed out, that's just a setting. On that basis, every single story set in the real world is unoriginal and unspired. The point is to take the setting and tell your own story with it. I'm not defending the story because I don't know it, I'm just saying that the setting being non-unique doesn't really matter.
I mean, same thing with the map. They're trying to create a self-contained universe in which their story plays, but then they make the map a knockoff of the Greater New England area (G.N.E.A.), by just badly modifying the names. It's just, it almost strikes me as intentional sabotage. This stuff will dominate the reviews and many peoples' perception of the album.In this case, I think you've missed the point. It's not a copy of New England, it is New England in this dystopian future. That's kind of the idea.
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
That may be true, but I still think it's lamentable that the back story already seems to suffer from so many issues before we have even seen it. DT has been accused of WWRD so many times over their career, you'd think they would stay from it for this ambitious project. I was talking to two friends of mine yesterday at the Queensryche concert, and I laid out the TA story to them. They both burst out laughing, and I was asked "it doesn't take place in the 22nd century by any chance, does it?" to which I had to reply "yeah, it does".
I mean, those two guys used to be DT fans (up until 6DOIT), and I'm sure I could have piqued their interest with a solid, original story to the album. As it is, now it's in their head as a 2112 knockoff. Why would DT knowingly run into this?
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
That may be true, but I still think it's lamentable that the back story already seems to suffer from so many issues before we have even seen it. DT has been accused of WWRD so many times over their career, you'd think they would stay from it for this ambitious project. I was talking to two friends of mine yesterday at the Queensryche concert, and I laid out the TA story to them. They both burst out laughing, and I was asked "it doesn't take place in the 22nd century by any chance, does it?" to which I had to reply "yeah, it does".
Another review.
https://progreport.com/dream-theater-the-astonishing-album-review/
2 hr 10 mins of DT is better than less DT for me any day.
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
Suggesting that DT is copying Mindcage rather than copying Rush's 2112 is quite funny.
That, and frankly, FusedInMetal, welcome to 2015. We've known for a long time the concet behind the Astonishing is : 1-hackneyed 2-cheesy as fuck. That doesn't make it less interesting. Btw, dystopias have existed for a long time in literature, it's not an invention of the musical world.
B.Lee
That may be true, but I still think it's lamentable that the back story already seems to suffer from so many issues before we have even seen it. DT has been accused of WWRD so many times over their career, you'd think they would stay from it for this ambitious project. I was talking to two friends of mine yesterday at the Queensryche concert, and I laid out the TA story to them. They both burst out laughing, and I was asked "it doesn't take place in the 22nd century by any chance, does it?" to which I had to reply "yeah, it does".
I mean, those two guys used to be DT fans (up until 6DOIT), and I'm sure I could have piqued their interest with a solid, original story to the album. As it is, now it's in their head as a 2112 knockoff. Why would DT knowingly run into this?
Happy Release Week, fellow DTF-ers! :2metal:
Happy Release Week, fellow DTF-ers! :2metal:
Happy Release Week, fellow DTF-ers! :2metal:
SO EXCITED :metal
Another review.
https://progreport.com/dream-theater-the-astonishing-album-review/
Cool story. I always imagine it would be really surreal to run into someone famous just randomly in public.
Inb4 many people says "We only have three days..." on Wednesday... :biggrin:Which would be silly, as they'll have two days by that point.
Inb4 many people says "We only have three days..." on Wednesday... :biggrin:
Inb4 many people says "We only have three days..." on Wednesday... :biggrin:Which would be silly, as they'll have two days by that point.
Well, it probably helped that you didn't harass them or anything, you just introduced yourself politely, you just told you look forward to the album and wished a good evening, if you would have went full fanboy on them "OMG OMG U AR PETRUCCI I LUV U TAKE 10 PHOTOS WITH ME" they would have been annoyed, in the end they're normal people knowing they can be recognized so I'm sure they don't mind being approached tastefully like you did.Thanks man!
Cool story!
Just flew back in from Chicago last night and ran into none other than John and Rena Petrucci at the New York airport bodega by the baggage claim...I told my wife, "that's the guitar player from dream theater", and she was like say something or I'm going to...I was like "no way they probably don't want to be bothered, plus what am I gonna say?!" She insisted and was 2 seconds from tapping JP on the shoulder so I just awkwardly turned to Rena and was like "excuse me are you Rena and John?" and she was really nice and just smiled and said yeah we are, and John turned around and I was like :"what's up man looking forward to the new record this week", and he laughed and said "coming soon!" and then I just said "awesome have a great night guys".
They were super nice about it so pretty cool way to end my trip!
The question is: will we get another update today?
Well, the marketing schedule has been flexible and has changed on the fly quite a bit, but there is supposed to be something else released before 1/29 according to the last schedule I have, so stay tuned. Hopefully, it happens. But even if it doesn't, we will have the album before we know it!
Cool story. I always imagine it would be really surreal to run into someone famous just randomly in public.
some pictures of the album were posted in the interwebs, IDK if i'm allowed to link them here
Could I?
some pictures of the album were posted in the interwebs, IDK if i'm allowed to link them here
Could I?
??? Pictures of the album have been available for a long time now.
I have also posted a picture of my copy of the album, it's just that people haven't realize it ;):lol Yeah, I don't really care about pics of album art being posted. The music and any videos that have not been officially published for public consumption are a different story, but I don't care about album art.
Here you will find photos of the CD too :
https://blog.yourmajesty.net/2016/01/21/the-astonishing-ecoute-en-avant-premiere-chez-warner-music/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3M7_y6bZPA
Finally James LaBrie, the man behind all character, talk about The Astonishing !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3M7_y6bZPA
Finally James LaBrie, the man behind all character, talk about The Astonishing !!!
Interesting :tup
I imagine rehearsals for these shows will take a couple weeks. Big production and props, all new material, everything synced to a click.
First few shows may be the hardest they have ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3M7_y6bZPA
Finally James LaBrie, the man behind all character, talk about The Astonishing !!!
Anyway, that site that tells if stuff happened says it hasn't happened. Congratulations to the DT machine for keeping everything under wraps until the very end, save some chosen few we'll all enjoy the new album at the same time!
Anyway, that site that tells if stuff happened says it hasn't happened. Congratulations to the DT machine for keeping everything under wraps until the very end, save some chosen few we'll all enjoy the new album at the same time!They've done well but it's likely a matter of hours now that the CD has to be being distributed to stores, etc.
Here you will find photos of the CD too :
https://blog.yourmajesty.net/2016/01/21/the-astonishing-ecoute-en-avant-premiere-chez-warner-music/
I used to download albums for free but then I found getting the CD really anti climactic :(If they would just stream it starting today or tomorrow then all of us who are buying it anyway wouldn't be tempted. Ah well, I'll have the CD in my hands in 4.5 days and will hear it no later than that so it's all good.
I used to download albums for free but then I found getting the CD really anti climactic :(
Plus back then they were horrible quality.
I don't bother now.
Here you will find photos of the CD too :
https://blog.yourmajesty.net/2016/01/21/the-astonishing-ecoute-en-avant-premiere-chez-warner-music/
In the group photo, the guy in the front has a cool looking shirt. Would love to know where he got the shirt. Also, in the photo with the drinks, what is that greenish drink on the table.
Looks like you all had a great time!
But there is no reason to stream it early (or at all, for that matter). The fact that some people may be "tempted" and cannot control themselves isn't the band's problem.I used to download albums for free but then I found getting the CD really anti climactic :(If they would just stream it starting today or tomorrow then all of us who are buying it anyway wouldn't be tempted. Ah well, I'll have the CD in my hands in 4.5 days and will hear it no later than that so it's all good.
Hey, I was wondering... Maybe they release "Three Days" tomorrow, since it's three days until the release! o.o
In the group photo, the guy in the front has a cool looking shirt. Would love to know where he got the shirt. Also, in the photo with the drinks, what is that greenish drink on the table.He was drinking a Mojito.
Looks like you all had a great time!
They can do what they want, I don't care. We all make our choices. I don't know what I would do if I were them, just saying that a lot of people wouldn't download for free it then. Nothing more, nothing less. I am looking forward to my 1/29 delivery and whatever else may happen before that.But there is no reason to stream it early (or at all, for that matter). The fact that some people may be "tempted" and cannot control themselves isn't the band's problem.I used to download albums for free but then I found getting the CD really anti climactic :(If they would just stream it starting today or tomorrow then all of us who are buying it anyway wouldn't be tempted. Ah well, I'll have the CD in my hands in 4.5 days and will hear it no later than that so it's all good.
yes, the booklet is glued
Getting super excited for Friday as reading all 210 pages of this has been, well, draining to say the least. :cornIt's only 147 pages if you set it to the max number of posts per page ;D
:lolGetting super excited for Friday as reading all 210 pages of this has been, well, draining to say the least. :cornIt's only 147 pages if you set it to the max number of posts per page ;D
It will be streamed on all the streaming platforms rr has its roster on.
It will be streamed on all the streaming platforms rr has its roster on.
Is it known when it will be available on those platforms? I didn't use Spotify at the time of the last release, so I'm not familiar with whether or not it's available there from the album release date or not.
Spotify typically has albums available to stream on the release day.
It will be streamed on all the streaming platforms rr has its roster on.
Is it known when it will be available on those platforms? I didn't use Spotify at the time of the last release, so I'm not familiar with whether or not it's available there from the album release date or not.
Spotify typically has albums available to stream on the release day.
Spotify typically has albums available to stream on the release day.
Thanks! :)
New email from Nafaryus came in.
New email from Nafaryus came in.
Arhys' message just dropped by as well.
he doesn't have that many lines - and it's mostly screaming ;)
he doesn't have that many lines - and it's mostly screaming ;)
you sort of spoiled what happens to him based on the trailer
i expect whatever scene that is to be rather disturbing
So Xander is Ahrys' son then.
yeah, trailer and scream is not related... trailer is disc 1, scream is disc 2
In the group photo, the guy in the front has a cool looking shirt. Would love to know where he got the shirt.
yeah, trailer and scream is not related... trailer is disc 1, scream is disc 2Noxon, did you just inadvertently spoil what the second video is gonna be? A disk 2 trailer? haha. :D ;)
yeah, trailer and scream is not related... trailer is disc 1, scream is disc 2Noxon, did you just inadvertently spoil what the second video is gonna be? A disk 2 trailer? haha. :D ;)
In the group photo, the guy in the front has a cool looking shirt. Would love to know where he got the shirt.
Someone posts a picture of a group of people, including a lovely brunette. DT fan asks about the shirt on the guy who is sitting next to her :biggrin:
@Xander's disease is called the enemy inside (his bowels).
@Xander's disease is called the enemy inside (his bowels).
But Xander can't run from this enemy inside, can he?
(reposting this any case there is new information)
Due to the delay until March, any speculation as to what the bonus gift will be for those of us that purchased the box sets? Any ideas?
Can anyone who has heard the album confirm whether these emails take place before the story starts, or during?
For example, in the very first email Ahrys describes hacking into the NOMACS, while this most recent email describes a pretty detailed scene of Gabriel singing for the Royal Family.
Can anyone who has heard the album confirm whether these emails take place before the story starts, or during?
For example, in the very first email Ahrys describes hacking into the NOMACS, while this most recent email describes a pretty detailed scene of Gabriel singing for the Royal Family.
Spoilers:
The mails we recieved today looks to be sent just before the track "Three Days"...
i'm glad i'm not the only one who does this :lolGetting super excited for Friday as reading all 210 pages of this has been, well, draining to say the least. :cornIt's only 147 pages if you set it to the max number of posts per page ;D
(reposting this any case there is new information)
Due to the delay until March, any speculation as to what the bonus gift will be for those of us that purchased the box sets? Any ideas?
Boring, i already have those patches ;)
By the EMPEROR,
A PROCLAMATION FROM YOUR GRACIOUS SOVEREIGN, BLA BLA BLA
In the group photo, the guy in the front has a cool looking shirt. Would love to know where he got the shirt.
Someone posts a picture of a group of people, including a lovely brunette. DT fan asks about the shirt on the guy who is sitting next to her :biggrin:
By the EMPEROR,
A PROCLAMATION FROM YOUR GRACIOUS SOVEREIGN, BLA BLA BLA
Geez what a chore to go through. It's hard to even read it. I'm not criticizing the story or the approach, I'm suspending disbelief and imagining this is an actual person speaking... what a pompus ass, just SHUT THE HELL UP DUDE.
I understand he's the emperor and all, but really, how can he imagine to keep his subjects in line by being such an annoying self entitled prick?
Would be interesting to know who in the band pens the emails.I have an inkling they might have got someone else to write all that. But if it was the band, then my bet would be JP. It just seems like the kind of thing he'd do. :lol
Would be interesting to know who in the band pens the emails.
how do you do thatIt's only 147 pages if you set it to the max number of posts per page ;Di'm glad i'm not the only one who does this :lol
PROFILE ==> MODIFY PROFILE ==> LOOK AND LAYOUT ==> Messages to display per pagehow do you do thatIt's only 147 pages if you set it to the max number of posts per page ;Di'm glad i'm not the only one who does this :lol
??? It's really not that hard.
God can you imagine being a mod at the moment!? :rollinYeah, I see what you did there.
I got the e-mail from Arhys, can somebody paste the one from the emperor?
(reposting this any case there is new information)
Due to the delay until March, any speculation as to what the bonus gift will be for those of us that purchased the box sets? Any ideas?
Like I said on the Preorder thread, I think it's going to be either a GNEA or Ravenskill patch. If it's both, that'd be amazing, because I would love to collect everything released for this album.
Under utilized to me means " he doesn't do 300bpm blasts in 4 different time signatures and 4 limbed drum rolls "
Which is FINE by me.
How about playing to the song ? ::)
Like I said on the Preorder thread, I think it's going to be either a GNEA or Ravenskill patch. If it's both, that'd be amazing, because I would love to collect everything released for this album.
Wow, that sounds cool either way. Thanks for the info and pointing me toward the Pre Order Thread. I've been on a self-imposed ban until my order arrives. Trying to avoid spoiler discussions and reviews, so I've limited my DTF exposure until then, but was curious about the surprise item. Thanks!
Can someone explain to me how MM is overplaying? The sound itself is mechanical yes, but MP overplayed far more often IMO. I think MM is much more tasteful so I'm really confused.I believe MP hardly ever overplayed and nor for that matter Mangini. I did like Portnoy's creativity and inventiveness more though; he had a much larger repertoire because of his HUGE range of influences. :tup
I also find Portnoy to 'overuse' his influences quite a bit.Can someone explain to me how MM is overplaying? The sound itself is mechanical yes, but MP overplayed far more often IMO. I think MM is much more tasteful so I'm really confused.I believe MP hardly ever overplayed and nor for that matter Mangini. I did like Portnoy's creativity and inventiveness more though; he had a much larger repertoire because of his HUGE range of influences. :tup
I also find Portnoy to 'overuse' his influences quite a bit.Can someone explain to me how MM is overplaying? The sound itself is mechanical yes, but MP overplayed far more often IMO. I think MM is much more tasteful so I'm really confused.I believe MP hardly ever overplayed and nor for that matter Mangini. I did like Portnoy's creativity and inventiveness more though; he had a much larger repertoire because of his HUGE range of influences. :tup
Muse-meets-Yes-meets-PinkFloyd-meets-FrankZappa-meets-Beatles-meets-Metallica-meets-Maiden-meets-U2
hmm, i ordered from the UK store, didn't get any mail about the pin. Could you post it somewhere so i can see?Welcome to the world of Roadrunner UK.
So, let me ask this here, maybe someone knows: Releasedates were previously usually on Mondays whereas they're mostly on Fridays now. When an album was to be released on a Monday, stores would usually already have it for sale on the Friday before that. So now that the album is released this Friday, does that mean that stores may already have it for sale on Thurday?
So do you want running comments suspended until you confirm?That would seem sensible.
I wonder if the site has measures against potential fakes? I mean, can anybody just put a leak on that site and ask money from it?(and get away with it?).
I wonder if the site has measures against potential fakes? I mean, can anybody just put a leak on that site and ask money from it?(and get away with it?).
I didn't think it seemed a legit site for a band like DT.It's a perfectly legit site in general, used by lots of bands and artists including some fairly big ones. Definitely a perfectly suitable channel for DT/RR to use if they wanted to. However, as ErHaO indicated, they clearly have very poor measures to prevent fakes. Pretty shoddy, really. Hopefully it is addressed quickly - the label is certainly aware of it now.
Damn, that sucks, especially if people were thinking they were supporting the band by paying trough that site. Kind of surprised this can happen with for an album of a well known band on a big website as *SNIP*.Careful, we can't reference the site.
It's a perfectly legit site in general, used by lots of bands and artists including some fairly big ones. Definitely a perfectly suitable channel for DT/RR to use if they wanted to. However, as ErHaO indicated, they clearly have very poor measures to prevent fakes. Pretty shoddy, really. Hopefully it is addressed quickly - the label is certainly aware of it now.
I wonder if the site has measures against potential fakes? I mean, can anybody just put a leak on that site and ask money from it?(and get away with it?).
I used that site for my own music. Of course you proclaim that you own the rights for the music you offer for streaming and download. But otherwise as far as I remembered there are no obstacles to upload music to which you have the MP3's...
Correct, as it is providing pirated material in this context. Once it's been taken down, people will be able to reference it again.Damn, that sucks, especially if people were thinking they were supporting the band by paying trough that site. Kind of surprised this can happen with for an album of a well known band on a big website as *SNIP*.Careful, we can't reference the site.
Correct, as it is providing pirated material in this context. Once it's been taken down, people will be able to reference it again.Damn, that sucks, especially if people were thinking they were supporting the band by paying trough that site. Kind of surprised this can happen with for an album of a well known band on a big website as *SNIP*.Careful, we can't reference the site.
I sigh when I see comments online that people are *annoyed* when a certain album hasn't leaked yet.Because we can't buy it (and get it) yet ? I think we've all bought it. I would hope so anyway. Doesn't mean we don't want to hear it a little early.
Why don't you buy it then ?! ::)
But if you go to the roadrunner store, login, clock "download", it says that the preorder for the mp3s are for today. So maybe!That's cool, I have the CDs scheduled for delivery on Friday, though. So Friday it is.
As soon as I saw the link, I started listening. I thought it was legit. I actually feel a bit dirty now. :lol
Is it really that hard to just stick to DT's official channels for information/releases etc.? Unless/until anything is said through those channels, it is not official/legit. It's a simple rule to stick to, really.At the very least, if it is NOT linked on a known official site such as Facebook, Twitter or the official website, people should check with one of the mods/admins before posting.
At this point the label should probably just stream it. If they go to Youtube now they have their work cut out for them. It will be an allStreaming a few days in advance has become very common for lots of labels/bands, and indeed RR did it for DT12. I'm not sure how well it would work for a 2-disc, 2-hour+ rock opera though. :lol
day every day task to keep taking songs down.
why did lemmy and bowie have to die while they still live
No, bandcamp is a respectable site. People who bought there are not in any danger. The fake seller shouldn't have any access to your credit card data.Agreed with all of this.
EDIT: and please, stop referring to bandcamp as that site. It's one of the nicest places to shop for music, they just didn't check whether the fake seller was a real RR representative. Keep in mind that 99.99% of the world don't kniw DT.
Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
I've read lots of "new DT albums suck" posts before, but this comment on The Astonishing takes the biscuit:Quotewhy did lemmy and bowie have to die while they still live
::) ...
People can't wait a couple more days ? The album will probably be on Spotify or Deezer at Midnight on Friday.
I sigh when I see comments online that people are *annoyed* when a certain album hasn't leaked yet.
Why don't you buy it then ?! ::)
Listened to TGoM. Sounded like something from 6D but with 3x more drums than necessary.
Listened to MoB. Also sounded like something from 6D, but only twice the drums necessary. Much more to my liking.
All in all, don't care for the drums and the drum sound in particular. The guy's insanely talented and he's playing in DT, so the only possible thing to do is to overplay the shit out of everything to the detriment of a nice grove. But, at the same time the music isn't bad and I'll be damned if I don't want to see the guy play it live.
Keep in mind that 99.99% of the world don't kniw DT.
"Anyone who still says they miss former drummer Mike Portnoy and prefer him over Mangini is just saying so to be a contrarian." is so obvious... you don´t even need to say it. It´s like saying that water is wet or something like that. :hat
I also find Portnoy to 'overuse' his influences quite a bit.Can someone explain to me how MM is overplaying? The sound itself is mechanical yes, but MP overplayed far more often IMO. I think MM is much more tasteful so I'm really confused.I believe MP hardly ever overplayed and nor for that matter Mangini. I did like Portnoy's creativity and inventiveness more though; he had a much larger repertoire because of his HUGE range of influences. :tup
Muse-meets-Yes-meets-PinkFloyd-meets-FrankZappa-meets-Beatles-meets-Metallica-meets-Maiden-meets-U2
Indeed. But, man, even if his bag of tricks had become a little stale, the guy was still capable of fantastic drum parts or in any case, much more to my liking than MM has done for DT up to now.
B.Lee
Edit : I may be able to get The Astonishing at my mocal store as early as Thursday, which leaves me all Thursday evening and since I don't work then, all Friday morning to immerse myself in the experience. Can't wait!
It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything. I'm not sure what the answer is, really. Though I imagine most people who paid through bandcamp in the short time the page was there are probably almost all people who want to support the band and will buy a legit copy if they get a refund.Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
"Anyone who still says they miss former drummer Mike Portnoy and prefer him over Mangini is just saying so to be a contrarian." is so obvious... you don´t even need to say it. It´s like saying that water is wet or something like that. :hat
What a load of garbage.
That's what I was thinking.It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything.Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
That's what I was thinking.It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything.Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
I'm curious which song title is the most accurate for The Astonishing, is it "The Best of Times" or "A Nightmare to Remember"?I think both are accurate on this case :lol
It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything. I'm not sure what the answer is, really. Though I imagine most people who paid through bandcamp in the short time the page was there are probably almost all people who want to support the band and will buy a legit copy if they get a refund.
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
That's what I was thinking.It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything.Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
the sale was an act of fraud, and the people who bought did so under false pretenses...I'd think that is pretty good ground for reversing the transaction, even though the purchaser has the mp3s.
Also, the money has to go somewhere...either the site gives it to the fraudsters anyway (bad look for the site, as it incentives the behavior, and might even be illegal), the site keeps it (again, bad look for the site, as they would be profiting off of illegal use of their site), or the $ is refunded to the purchaser. If I'm the site, I'm falling all over myself to give refunds.
"Proudly display your allegiance to your side by using our photo booth. Post your images using #TheAstonishing"
https://theastonishing.photomusicbooth.com/
Anyone will have a go at it? ;D
The question is: will we get another update today?
Well, the marketing schedule has been flexible and has changed on the fly quite a bit, but there is supposed to be something else released before 1/29 according to the last schedule I have, so stay tuned. Hopefully, it happens. But even if it doesn't, we will have the album before we know it!
"Proudly display your allegiance to your side by using our photo booth. Post your images using #TheAstonishing"
https://theastonishing.photomusicbooth.com/
Anyone will have a go at it? ;D
"Proudly display your allegiance to your side by using our photo booth. Post your images using #TheAstonishing"I would but I don't do instagram.
https://theastonishing.photomusicbooth.com/
Anyone will have a go at it? ;D
At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.lol
At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.
At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.
I'm more excited about clicking the eyes than playing the album ! :laugh:
January 29th...
:laugh: Oh boy - here we go - what do they do ?
:'( ...play the album.
I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.
I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.
I'm curious which song title is the most accurate for The Astonishing, is it "The Best of Times" or "A Nightmare to Remember"?
I'll probably check it out, but got other albums higher on the priority and a lot of work related things at the moment.
I'm curious which song title is the most accurate for The Astonishing, is it "The Best of Times" or "A Nightmare to Remember"?
I'll probably check it out, but got other albums higher on the priority and a lot of work related things at the moment.
At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.
I intend on TA being the first DT album I don't listen to the leak/free stream before release since 8vm. Glad I stuck to it. :corn
At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.
Haha, something to ask to DT in future interviews.
Meanwhile on FB...... Petruci trolls us all showing off his copy of The Astonishing :P
Forgot I had an account here and have mainly just been lurking.
But thinking about the last locked video, wouldn't it be awesome if it was a 2 hour companion video to the album.
Not sure if this has been discussed but ever since I had that thought, I hope that will exist in the future if thats not what the video is.
That's what I was thinking.It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything.Not Bandcamp's fault.Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!
We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back. Ive already filed a paypal dispute. Man I cant believe I got scammed!
the sale was an act of fraud, and the people who bought did so under false pretenses...I'd think that is pretty good ground for reversing the transaction, even though the purchaser has the mp3s.
Also, the money has to go somewhere...either the site gives it to the fraudsters anyway (bad look for the site, as it incentives the behavior, and might even be illegal), the site keeps it (again, bad look for the site, as they would be profiting off of illegal use of their site), or the $ is refunded to the purchaser. If I'm the site, I'm falling all over myself to give refunds.
I just want friday to get here. I know that Amazon is shipping mine tomorrow. So i know i will get it on the 29th. :metal :tup
Forgot I had an account here and have mainly just been lurking.
But thinking about the last locked video, wouldn't it be awesome if it was a 2 hour companion video to the album.
Not sure if this has been discussed but ever since I had that thought, I hope that will exist in the future if thats not what the video is.
That would be amazing but I kinda doubt it.
But then what do we think it will be anyway, behind the scenes? Very unlikely. Another trailer? Hope not. Another visual companion? Could be cool!
I didnt get my mp3 as I was at work at the time.
Not really fraud to the people who bought the MP3 of the album as I assume they received an MP3 of the album. People got what they paid for. DT/Roadrunner have a legitimate beef as someone has sold their album without permission.
I wish some interviewer would Ask James how long it takes him to memorize the lyrics.
It has to be really hard to memorize the lyrics to a double album. When James gets old
maybe he will start using a teleprompter like he alluded to in the metalsucks podcast.
I wish some interviewer would Ask James how long it takes him to memorize the lyrics.
It has to be really hard to memorize the lyrics to a double album. When James gets old
maybe he will start using a teleprompter like he alluded to in the metalsucks podcast.
I don't think it's that difficult when you spend a significant amount of time laying down the vocals in the studio then rehearsing it for the tour. I'm personally more amazed that JP knows all the guitar solos, but at the same time, it's still the same thing. These guys play it so much that it's easy to memorize it.
Remember when Jordan made that video where he plays a song and talks the same time?I do remember that! It was some kind of independence exercise. He was playing different rhythms in each hand and talking about his day, I believe.
I wonder if he could play the entire Astonishing show while giving a running commentary.
They could put it on the dvd.
I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.
I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.
They are coded as buttons, they just currently link to nothing. That would be a hell of a troll. :lol
Actual quote from JP ; " and the fans always request these songs like octavarium - I don't even know it anymore. I'd have to relearn it to play it now."He said a similar quote during some clinics in 2012. Right after he played The Dance of Eternity, someone asked him if that was in the setlist and he said "Yeah. I wouldn't know how to play it right now if we weren't playing it on tour."
Actual quote from JP ; " and the fans always request these songs like octavarium - I don't even know it anymore. I'd have to relearn it to play it now."He said a similar quote during some clinics in 2012. Right after he played The Dance of Eternity, someone asked him if that was in the setlist and he said "Yeah. I wouldn't know how to play it right now if we weren't playing it on tour."
I'm sure when they decide what songs to play on a certain tour, each member goes through the motions to be able to play their parts whether they need to re-learn stuff or not.
Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.
It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.
My question was unrelated to yours. :lol
I was just wondering who is talking in Moment of Betrayal
My question was unrelated to yours. :lol
I was just wondering who is talking in Moment of Betrayal
Up to 1:35 - Gabriel. Afterwards - Arhys.
Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.
Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.
It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.
I don't hear that call back per se. What I mean is the main riff ever brought back, or especially is the "my brother Gabriel" part ever brought back? Seems too important and epic to just be only used once and so quick.
It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.
I don't hear that call back per se. What I mean is the main riff ever brought back, or especially is the "my brother Gabriel" part ever brought back? Seems too important and epic to just be only used once and so quick.
The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.
The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.
How did you make this conclusion?
The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.
How did you make this conclusion?
Uhm, listening? :) There is a specific distinct chord change there that made me come to that conclusion.
The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.
How did you make this conclusion?
Uhm, listening? :) There is a specific distinct chord change there that made me come to that conclusion.
The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.
How did you make this conclusion?
Uhm, listening? :) There is a specific distinct chord change there that made me come to that conclusion.
Yeps, I agree.
More than the chord change it's really a major-mode pharsing/ arpeggio that recalls TGOM
I think it's made on purpose, during the concert videos we might be see Gabriel using his laser sword during the battle..
:metal
The vibe I got off of Moment of Betrayal was more Game of Thrones. 'Meet me there and there and we'll kill the bugger' ;D
The specific chord change you are referring to is just 2 chords that are a 4th apart. E and A. It's a very common change... I don't think that there's a link between the two solos just for this "similarity" alone..
The specific chord change you are referring to is just 2 chords that are a 4th apart. E and A. It's a very common change... I don't think that there's a link between the two solos just for this "similarity" alone..
Does this occur in the Enemy inside and On the Backs of Angels solos as well? These four solos are similar in my mind for some reason.
I'm 100% certain that you're wrong on that account.
Wow, some people on the DT reddit page are already claiming The Astonishing to be in their top 5 all-time favorite albums, this must be a very quick grower :hat
I'm 100% certain that you're wrong on that account.
Really? He's got wrinkles! Daryus looks in his mid-40s, Nafaryus mid-50s.
Strong suggestion:
Since I can't un-hear what what was illegally posted on Bandcamp yesterday, and saying this without giving anything away...
For those of you who are very passionate about music I strongly suggest you listen to this album for the first time in a quiet
place where you can allow yourself to focus entirely on what unfolds. The album deserves this kind of treatment.
Strong suggestion:
Since I can't un-hear what what was illegally posted on Bandcamp yesterday, and saying this without giving anything away...
For those of you who are very passionate about music I strongly suggest you listen to this album for the first time in a quiet
place where you can allow yourself to focus entirely on what unfolds. The album deserves this kind of treatment.
Pretty much agree with all this. People proclaiming it to be the best thing ever or, indeed, a massive disappointment already are either jumping way ahead of themselves or are the types to make snap judgements. But it definitely seems as though this is going to an album/musical/whatever that takes time to sink in.Wow, some people on the DT reddit page are already claiming The Astonishing to be in their top 5 all-time favorite albums, this must be a very quick grower :hat
I wouldn't read too much into that. There are always people who immediately go over the top at every DT new record and proclaim it as their best ever etc after a day or so of release!! hell, some people even said that the horribly weak DT12 was the best ever DT album a day or so after it came out!!
I.M.O. from hearing it just once from that uhmm....naughty stream yesterday, this is going to take many many listens before people are going to be able to come up with any kind of informed and reasoned opinion of just how good TA is.
For those of you who are very passionate about music I strongly suggest you listen to this album for the first time in a quiet
place where you can allow yourself to focus entirely on what unfolds. The album deserves this kind of treatment.
Umm, this about the second video in DT website
Can it be an official Video clip from one of the song in the album?
If yes, then I really love they make Video Clip for Dystopian Overture.
From all review, it said Dystopian Overture is perfect instrumental song to describe future / Dystopian atmosphere in the album
It will be very great to have a video clip of Dystopian Overture, showing all thing that relate to the album, using 3D animation or something, so it can make all of our fantasy come alive when we watch it :D
AdToE was good but by the numbers and DT12 was stale. Getting an album now that is so different is refreshing.
Darius is the military Genral who will end up as the real bad guy and try to overthrow Lord Nafa after he welcomes Gabriel music.
In my opinion - A Dramatic Turn Of Events is the best RoadRunner album so far.
The vibe I got off of Moment of Betrayal was more Game of Thrones. 'Meet me there and there and we'll kill the bugger' ;D
In my opinion - A Dramatic Turn Of Events is the best RoadRunner album so far.
I agree...but I think your statement will change soon.
Darius is the military Genral who will end up as the real bad guy and try to overthrow Lord Nafa after he welcomes Gabriel music.
spoilers ffs man.. ffs
Darius is the military Genral who will end up as the real bad guy and try to overthrow Lord Nafa after he welcomes Gabriel music.
AdToE was good but by the numbers and DT12 was stale. Getting an album now that is so different is refreshing.
I keep hearing this type of statement on the forum. Over and over and over. Do people really think that if they keep saying it, it will come true?
I'm assuming he referred to the people who call ADTOE by the numbers or DT12 stale, not the latter part about TA.AdToE was good but by the numbers and DT12 was stale. Getting an album now that is so different is refreshing.
I keep hearing this type of statement on the forum. Over and over and over. Do people really think that if they keep saying it, it will come true?
But what part of that statement isn't true?.....I think you'll find that once you've heard the album you will realise that it is SPOT ON!! :)
Yes !! I love it if DT make 3D animation video that shows us every place in The Astonishing storyUmm, this about the second video in DT website
Can it be an official Video clip from one of the song in the album?
If yes, then I really love they make Video Clip for Dystopian Overture.
From all review, it said Dystopian Overture is perfect instrumental song to describe future / Dystopian atmosphere in the album
It will be very great to have a video clip of Dystopian Overture, showing all thing that relate to the album, using 3D animation or something, so it can make all of our fantasy come alive when we watch it :D
That's the vibe I got when I heard this. Just seems like the camera will go from the NOMAC (in Descent) to a pan of the city then go on a flying tour all through the GNE/Ravenskill etc. Definitely seems like certain places have certain themes of music as well as the different characters
I'm assuming he referred to the people who call ADTOE by the numbers or DT12 stale, not the latter part about TA.AdToE was good but by the numbers and DT12 was stale. Getting an album now that is so different is refreshing.
I keep hearing this type of statement on the forum. Over and over and over. Do people really think that if they keep saying it, it will come true?
But what part of that statement isn't true?.....I think you'll find that once you've heard the album you will realise that it is SPOT ON!! :)
Probably about twice as often as I take yours seriously. ;)
In my opinion - A Dramatic Turn Of Events is the best RoadRunner album so far.
In my opinion - A Dramatic Turn Of Events is the best RoadRunner album so far.
Darius is the military Genral who will end up as the real bad guy and try to overthrow Lord Nafa after he welcomes Gabriel music.
EDIT:Nvm, realised it might be a spoiler
I'm hoping bad for some kind of making of video, with the orchestra/choir recording process, JR and JP bouncing music ideas out from each other, arrangements with David Campbell, etc. that would probably be the most interesting making of video DT's ever put out. The best them.
So, The E-Mails from Arhys and Nafaryus was the last update until Release Date?
So, The E-Mails from Arhys and Nafaryus was the last update until Release Date?
I dunno, there's still another video that's gonna be released in the website.
:nono:
For those interested, The Astonishing would be released in HDTracks on release date (https://www.facebook.com/hdtracksmusic/photos/a.193766473997531.44933.141061499268029/1120015811372588/?type=3&theater). :metal Best option for somebody like me who has a hard time accessing physical CDs. I hope DT would post early on their website what is the discount code, I missed the discount for BTFW. :lol
I'm hoping bad for some kind of making of video, with the orchestra/choir recording process, JR and JP bouncing music ideas out from each other, arrangements with David Campbell, etc. that would probably be the most interesting making of video DT's ever put out. The best them.
For those interested, The Astonishing would be released in HDTracks on release date (https://www.facebook.com/hdtracksmusic/photos/a.193766473997531.44933.141061499268029/1120015811372588/?type=3&theater). :metal Best option for somebody like me who has a hard time accessing physical CDs. I hope DT would post early on their website what is the discount code, I missed the discount for BTFW. :lol
Excellent! In the past the HDTracks release has trailed behind by a decent amount, so a lot of people bought the album twice who would have preferred to only buy the HDTracks version.
Although this time I don't think the HDTracks version is as necessary, since the main benefit was the slightly better master.
I really love this place, bosk. I sincerely do.
I'm sure we all know it's just opinions and I understand that the last two albums might not be their thing, but DT12 stale? I'm sure folks can come up with better criticisms. :)
The HDtracks download is unquestionably the best version even if the difference is very small. It will definatly sound better than an mp3 download.
The HDtracks download is unquestionably the best version even if the difference is very small. It will definatly sound better than an mp3 download.
Isn't this the same thing as the FLACs we are supposed to get (have access to download) via the box set purchase?
The Astonishing Digital FLAC Album
1 x The Astonishing Digital FLAC Album 016861748951 N/A
RYM so far is not too kind to it. Currently same rating as SC.
RYM so far is not too kind to it. Currently same rating as SC.
That's it for me then, I'm not going to bother listening to it.
'It's always sad to see ageing musicians try to reinvent themselves' etc.
People in charge of taking songs down at the label need to get busy ASAP. *snip!*
RYM so far is not too kind to it. Currently same rating as SC.
That's it for me then, I'm not going to bother listening to it.
Can't tell if this is serious or not.
Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here. You could send an email to RoadRunner with the links if you really want, though I'm sure they're on top of everything the general public can easily find already - it's just that there are lots of legalities to taking down content from sites you don't own, sometimes in different countries.
DT12's HDTracks were the same master, just the volume pulled down so not that many samples hard-clipped as in the CD version.
We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
Yes, the final output volume is part of the mastering process, but it's like the last 1%. Saying it's a new master because they pulled down the final output volume is far more misleading IMO.
We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
I still use "speed dial."We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
Well, technically, I think people stopped actually using "speed dial" a decade or so ago. :tick: But otherwise...YEAH, WHAT HEF SAID.
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Bosk is pressing JP right now!
Nah ,sorry, but the majority of the perceived effect is placebo. People know it's the HDTracks beforehand, so they are convinced it's better.I completely disagree. The first time I heard samples of the HD version of DT12, I did not know it was the HD version, and it sounded much better...not just because the volume is turned down.
We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
Well, technically, I think people stopped actually using "speed dial" a decade or so ago. :tick: But otherwise...YEAH, WHAT HEF SAID.
Ah, sorry, I meant to say there's not a team of RR copyright ninjas who read the comments here, follow the links for the leaks and strike down the uploads with legal firearm. Of course there's a team here in the sense that you guys are running and managing this forum (and thank you for that), but this is not an official representation of RoadRunner, and your tools essentially boil down to the same tools that specific user to whom I replied has - reporting links back to RR.We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
Yes, but you live in the South. Where people still use Confederate money.
Yes, but you live in the South. Where people still use Confederate money.
Maybe that is why DT will not play the south again. They got paid in confederate money.
All kidding aside, I expect they will make it down south again especially after hearing the tail end of J Labrie's interview.
We are technically not official, but there is certainly a team here, and our team has DT's team on speed dial. We are as connected to them as could possibly be, both to their management and to members of the band.Mega apologies. Just trying to do what I thought was the right thing by letting this team know.This is not an official DT site anyways, there's no "team" here.
Are we allowed to discuss individual tracks? Mentioned one yesterday without providing a link or where I heard it and mentioned what it reminded me of and I think my post was deleted. Just want to make sure. I don;t want to break any rulesThis is a no-spoiler thread, there is another thread where the title clearly states that you're allowed to write spoilers in it, but that one is intended for people who heard the album legitimately from RoadRunner :)
Yes, but you live in the South. Where people still use Confederate money.Dagnabbit
Nah ,sorry, but the majority of the perceived effect is placebo. People know it's the HDTracks beforehand, so they are convinced it's better.I completely disagree. The first time I heard samples of the HD version of DT12, I did not know it was the HD version, and it sounded much better...not just because the volume is turned down.
Yes, but you live in the South. Where people still use Confederate money.:rollin
I thought this was the official DT forum so can totally understand emtee thought he was doing the right thing in letting you guys know about leaks. Definitely doesn't seem like a guy who'd be trying to promote the actual leak.
I thought this was the official DT forum so can totally understand emtee thought he was doing the right thing in letting you guys know about leaks. Definitely doesn't seem like a guy who'd be trying to promote the actual leak.
Yep, definitely not emtee. He also posts in another forum and doesn't stir up stuff. I don't think he was promoting the leak either.
Nah ,sorry, but the majority of the perceived effect is placebo. People know it's the HDTracks beforehand, so they are convinced it's better.
The prospect of "real organ" has got me excited. I assume "real organ" in this case to mean a pipe organ in a church or cathedral. Which produces an extraordinary and epic sound.Real Hammond B3 organ too!
Jordan is known to play with his massive organ from time to time."And in the right hand I've got a massive organ!" :lol
Yes, but you live in the South. Where people still use Confederate money.
Maybe that is why DT will not play the south again. They got paid in confederate money.
All kidding aside, I expect they will make it down south again especially after hearing the tail end of J Labrie's interview.
What did he say?
It's not out yet. How do you know?Legally thru proper and official people. I don't nor respect any other way of getting music, film etc.
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
It's not out yet. How do you know?Legally thru proper and official people. I don't nor respect any other way of getting music, film etc.
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
Blob said it's "Burning rose / Secrets told". I first heard it as "sold", but he said he got it from the official lyrics.
so ! now i am listening to the act 1. now im listening A Savior In The Square
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
Blob said it's "Burning rose / Secrets told". I first heard it as "sold", but he said he got it from the official lyrics.
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Guys can anyone confirm John's doing an AMA on reddit on the 29th?
It's not out yet. How do you know?Legally thru proper and official people. I don't nor respect any other way of getting music, film etc.
I agree. I always buy. (I do listen early on occasions for certain bands that I am really into.) I always buy the physical releases though. Not big on digital. Support bands if you are a fan. Damn, The Astonishing for under a $20 cd price that you can keep.....................to me priceless.
or as in the Zodiac sign Aries?
How is Arhys pronounced?
Are-is
or as in the Zodiac sign Aries?
or as in the Zodiac sign Aries?This one, just checked to confirm it.
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
Blob said it's "Burning rose / Secrets told". I first heard it as "sold", but he said he got it from the official lyrics.
so ! now i am listening to the act 1. now im listening A Savior In The Square
Sweet. Where'd you get it?
I'll pay a specific store a visit tomorrow in the hopes they are selling the album before the release date. It has been hard to wait. (I won't share anything of the record itself, it'd be just for my solitary pleasure. Please don't ban me.)
Burning roast, secret sauce? sounds legit. JP is a smoking fanatic.
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
Blob said it's "Burning rose / Secrets told". I first heard it as "sold", but he said he got it from the official lyrics.
I don't care what that fake lyrics sheet says, it's gotta be "secret sauce!" :ryule:
Shoot, now I'm hungry...
Pretty lengthy piece on Mangini in the latest Drum! mag. Sidebar with Petrucci, sidebar with Chycki, as well as a few snippets of transcription. The Gift of Music bit that was in a video posted earlier, a piece of Moment of Betrayal, and a bit of Lord Nafaryus; the tango section! Not sure what all they make available online, but my physical copy was only 6 bucks. Definitely added to my hype.Which video? I'm only getting results about guns when I search for "Mangini drum mag"
Pretty lengthy piece on Mangini in the latest Drum! mag. Sidebar with Petrucci, sidebar with Chycki, as well as a few snippets of transcription. The Gift of Music bit that was in a video posted earlier, a piece of Moment of Betrayal, and a bit of Lord Nafaryus; the tango section! Not sure what all they make available online, but my physical copy was only 6 bucks. Definitely added to my hype.Which video? I'm only getting results about guns when I search for "Mangini drum mag"
What the hell is the remaining locked video???
I am betting this album would disrupt DoC's DT The League. Based on what I am reading from advanced reviews, there would be at least 5 songs that would qualify for Division 1. Seeing very good words for Act of Faythe (or is it Losing Faythe?), A Life Left Behind, A New Beginning, The Path That Divides, and Our New World. As in usual DT fashion, the early releases TGOM and MOB are not the ones people are raving about. :lol
Just one more day!
While I'm here too, am I allowed to ask what the first line in the chorus of Moment of Betrayal is? "[unknown]/secret soul [or song?]/moment of betrayal..."
Blob said it's "Burning rose / Secrets told". I first heard it as "sold", but he said he got it from the official lyrics.
*snip*
rip whahibrido pickingant guypalmeiras =/= hadi-persian
oh, i could swear it was the same guy, whoops :lolrip whahibrido pickingant guypalmeiras =/= hadi-persian
Jordan interview about the album.. Interesting that he is saying he is glad he is going to get credit
for this album. Felt like his contributions weren't noticed on prior albums. https://www.rockurlife.net/interview/english/dream-theater-04-12-15
One of the things I value the most is working with John Petrucci in this way because I feel like over the sixteen-year life with Dream Theater a lot of what I've done hasn't been really recognized. Often the music packaging says it has been written by Dream Theater and it's not generally true, John and I always have written the music since I joined the group. The fact that it took so many days to finally write that the music is written by John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess, it feels very honest to me and real
Hey everyone..just wanted to state for those worried... Got my bandcamp money refunded today, so I am going to put it towards the HDtracks since its hopefully not as compressed as the cd.That's great, glad it got sorted out quickly!
My CD just arrived! :metal
Jordan interview about the album.. Interesting that he is saying he is glad he is going to get credit
for this album. Felt like his contributions weren't noticed on prior albums. https://www.rockurlife.net/interview/english/dream-theater-04-12-15
Is there really a need for it? It is expected that people would be able to get it today, because of mailing and stuff...
That's a nice interview, funny how Jordan calls Manginis drumming magical. I think both Jordan and John are always very positieve about him.
oh, i could swear it was the same guy, whoops :lolrip whahibrido pickingant guypalmeiras =/= hadi-persian
Wowwwwwwww i heard all the album Last night and Its fantástic, beautiful, mágical No doubt in the top with scenes and six degrees
oh, i could swear it was the same guy, whoops :lolrip whahibrido pickingant guypalmeiras =/= hadi-persian
^ Parama, I guess you will be right after all! :xbones
Yeah.. god forbid people dislike a DREAM THEATER album, that's out of this world.Wowwwwwwww i heard all the album Last night and Its fantástic, beautiful, mágical No doubt in the top with scenes and six degrees
IKR.... just incredible. By no means normal DT... but a breathtaking work of art.
I'm just terrified about the reaction of other fans. It's getting an extremely divided opinion on other forums and a lot of supposed DT fans are being quite harsh. It makes me sad :(
trooper im living in iran. and i can't buy the orginal Disc
I interpreted what he said as that the album is vastly different than everything the band has done before, and he feels sorry for other fans who may not relate to this direction. Sometimes people in this forum tend to assume the worst interpretation on an ambivalent choice of words, as if he said something like "Oh heavens, it seems like some people don't like this album! This is terrible for DT! Now they won't be on top of Billboard and it matters so much to me!". But it could be just a matter of kinship; a huge fan who feels for other fans who may alienated from the new album hype for the next couple years because this album seems like a vastly different experience.
I can relate to this, it's not particularly fun when it seems like you're the only one enjoying new content in a community of fans you feel attached to (kind of how it feels to me with DT12). Discussions are not as elaborate, etc. No need to be so hostile, IMO.
I interpreted what he said as that the album is vastly different than everything the band has done before, and he feels sorry for other fans who may not relate to this direction. Sometimes people in this forum tend to assume the worst interpretation on an ambivalent choice of words, as if he said something like "Oh heavens, it seems like some people don't like this album! This is terrible for DT! Now they won't be on top of Billboard and it matters so much to me!". But it could be just a matter of kinship; a huge fan who feels for other fans who may alienated from the new album hype for the next couple years because this album seems like a vastly different experience.
I can relate to this, it's not particularly fun when it seems like you're the only one enjoying new content in a community of fans you feel attached to (kind of how it feels to me with DT12). Discussions are not as elaborate, etc. No need to be so hostile, IMO.
Anybody ordered the CD from Amazon? Mine says it will be delivered 8pm Friday which makes it the latest of deliveries of everyone who's ordered the CD online elsewhere.
Also how 's there people saying they already received the CD?
Anybody ordered the CD from Amazon? Mine says it will be delivered 8pm Friday which makes it the latest of deliveries of everyone who's ordered the CD online elsewhere.
Also how 's there people saying they already received the CD?
About that AutoRip, is that an Amazon service? If it is then I guess it will be available from midnight on their Prime Music?
Anyone here up to making an official hashtag for this to make this a trending topic on twitter? I know it is a long shot, but nothing bad for trying. :hatYes, we should definitely do this.
I interpreted what he said as that the album is vastly different than everything the band has done before, and he feels sorry for other fans who may not relate to this direction. Sometimes people in this forum tend to assume the worst interpretation on an ambivalent choice of words, as if he said something like "Oh heavens, it seems like some people don't like this album! This is terrible for DT! Now they won't be on top of Billboard and it matters so much to me!". But it could be just a matter of kinship; a huge fan who feels for other fans who may alienated from the new album hype for the next couple years because this album seems like a vastly different experience.
I can relate to this, it's not particularly fun when it seems like you're the only one enjoying new content in a community of fans you feel attached to (kind of how it feels to me with DT12). Discussions are not as elaborate, etc. No need to be so hostile, IMO.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-astonishing-mw0002900305:tup
Another very good review - 4 out of 5. People at allmusic.com are great reviewers, and Thom Jurek is the second best of the lot, imo.
"Though it may be grandiose to say, like opera, The Astonishing shouldn't be disassembled, but judged holistically. It was planned as an immersive, one-sitting listening experience. As demanding as it is, the story and music are worth the effort. Dream Theater have invested in the "album" concept (and in listeners' attention spans) even as the music biz doubles down on the notion that long-players are merely envelopes to hold singles."
Yea I saw something like this on reddit: People who were expecting The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2 will be disappointed.
Well I guess everyone will be disappointed then because who the fuck expected The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2?
Well, with tomorrow being the big day, now I can finally say it, once again I managed to resist any kind of temptation and earn myself a completely unspoiled listening experience with the new album! No YouTube preview of the songs, no trailer, no doing what we shouldn't do, tomorrow I will get the album and listen to it on Saturday in its full unspoiled glory :tup
I hope people will accept it for what it is and try to listen to it with an open mind, it would be a pity if people would diss it just because it's something they never did before.
Yea I saw something like this on reddit: People who were expecting The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2 will be disappointed.
Well I guess everyone will be disappointed then because who the fuck expected The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2?
Well I guess everyone will be disappointed then because who the fuck expected The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2?
Wait! It means we're going to get The Dark Eternal Night Part 2: In The Presence of the Dark Eternal Nightmare of Tuscany!
Anybody ordered the CD from Amazon? Mine says it will be delivered 8pm Friday which makes it the latest of deliveries of everyone who's ordered the CD online elsewhere.
Also how 's there people saying they already received the CD?
I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
Anybody ordered the CD from Amazon? Mine says it will be delivered 8pm Friday which makes it the latest of deliveries of everyone who's ordered the CD online elsewhere.
Also how 's there people saying they already received the CD?
I have; the album is supposed to arrive tomorrow, but it is still marked as "Preparing for shipment" on the orders page. Hopefully, this won't be a repeat of The Book of Souls from last year.
I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
In what timezone?
I had asked them, "What time (EST) will "Dream Theater: The Astonishing" be available?"... so Eastern. :azn:
I just got notice that a local store has already the album in stock! See you later dudes :hat
More like the evil Grand Vizier... :biggrin:Yea I saw something like this on reddit: People who were expecting The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2 will be disappointed.
Well I guess everyone will be disappointed then because who the fuck expected The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2?
I really thought Lord Nafaryus was the evil pharaoh. :(
Yea I saw something like this on reddit: People who were expecting The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2 will be disappointed.
Well I guess everyone will be disappointed then because who the fuck expected The Dark Eternal Night pt. 2?
:rollin
This made me laugh more than it should have.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-astonishing-mw0002900305
Another very good review - 4 out of 5. People at allmusic.com are great reviewers, and Thom Jurek is the second best of the lot, imo.
"Though it may be grandiose to say, like opera, The Astonishing shouldn't be disassembled, but judged holistically. It was planned as an immersive, one-sitting listening experience. As demanding as it is, the story and music are worth the effort. Dream Theater have invested in the "album" concept (and in listeners' attention spans) even as the music biz doubles down on the notion that long-players are merely envelopes to hold singles."
I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
This album is like Dream Theater meets Jesus Christ Superstar meets Disney.
Maybe the master would sound better, but that's about it. It's pointless to buy a hi-res file and downgrade it IMO.I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
If you burn the HDtracks FLAC's to a CD; do they lose something or do they still sound better than the released CD?
I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
If you burn the HDtracks FLAC's to a CD; do they lose something or do they still sound better than the released CD?
I just heard back from HD Tracks:
If I know our system, i'm sure they have the album set to go online at 12am tomorrow 1/29/2016. If the album doesn't appear, wait a few minutes, sometimes it can take time for albums to appear.
Sincerely,
HDTracks Support Team
If you burn the HDtracks FLAC's to a CD; do they lose something or do they still sound better than the released CD?
Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
This. Also, a separate thread for plot discussion (and spoilers) would be a good idea too. Discuss the music in one thread, and what happens to the characters in the other.
https://www.metalsucks.net/2016/01/27/review-dream-theaters-the-astonishing-will-astonish-the-bands-fans-and-non-fans-alike/
Very funny review... the guy didn´t like DT too much, buthe has a pen and a pencil... I mean, he loves The Astonishing.
God, it´s so silly I can´t stop laughing... but it´s good at the same time. :loser:
4.5 out of 5.
But if you are a DT fan (like all of us), it´s 5 out of 5, and you must buy the album twice! :rollin
Not a bad idea. I have a feeling that i'm going to have trouble understanding the plot. I'm a little slow like that :)
Am I missing something because I thought anyone could just create whatever thread they wanted, right?
I guess.Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45413.0
Would this count? :)
Just 20?
If you burn the HDtracks FLAC's to a CD; do they lose something or do they still sound better than the released CD?
Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
However it is cluttered with about 220 pages of mostly pre-release, non-spoiler content, making it pretty cluttered to just start talking about post-release information randomly. This is usually how it's done with giant "anticipation threads" over the internet and is a legit suggestion for the mods to consider.Mods:
Can we create another thread? It would be nice having a non-spoiler speculation thread like this one and a full-on spoiler thread for those who have already heard the album and cannot wait to discuss it.
This has never been a non-spoiler thread, so I think it's kinda late for that already.
False Awakening Suite intro? I understand they wrote it specifically for the opening of the shows and it made a return at the 30th anniversary concerts last year.
False Awakening Suite intro? I understand they wrote it specifically for the opening of the shows and it made a return at the 30th anniversary concerts last year.
Highly unlikely, as they're playing The Astonishing in full and nothing else.
The album is now available on Spotify
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The album is now available on Spotify
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https://www.metalsucks.net/2016/01/27/review-dream-theaters-the-astonishing-will-astonish-the-bands-fans-and-non-fans-alike/
Very funny review... the guy didn´t like DT too much, buthe has a pen and a pencil... I mean, he loves The Astonishing.
God, it´s so silly I can´t stop laughing... but it´s good at the same time. :loser:
4.5 out of 5.
But if you are a DT fan (like all of us), it´s 5 out of 5, and you must buy the album twice! :rollin
This was actually the only review I saw before TA's release, because I'm subscribed to this guy's regular channel. :biggrin:
OMG, sorry, but this review annoys the crap out of me, almost makes me angry. Those images and sound effects.. dude you're not doing a kinds show, this is for music fans, who want to hear information and honest opinions. And this is not funny, I think it's just annoying. I almost lost it.
Just 20?
Did you order the album from Platekompaniet?
Guitar solos and/or prominant leads are in all of these tracks:
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
A Better Life
A Savior in the Square
When Your Time Has Come
Chosen
A New Beginning
Moment of Betrayal
Begin Again
The Path That Divides
Our New World
I know there is one more on disc 2 but I forget where. Some of these songs have more than one solo (Our New World, A New Beginning). I wouldn't consider that a lack of guitar solos.
This is my answer!If you burn the HDtracks FLAC's to a CD; do they lose something or do they still sound better than the released CD?
In a nutshell: Whether that will sound better than the released CD depends whether they used a more dynamic master for the HD Tracks FLACs. Otherwise, you will lose some resolution (16 instead of 24 bits and 44.1kHz vs. 96kHz). However, whether you can hear the difference in resolution is a matter of big dispute. Hardly no-one seems to dispute the difference between masters of different dynamics.
You can certainly burn them on an audio CD. However, first you need to convert the files from 24 bit to 16 bits and from 96KHz to 44.1 KHz first. I personally use the command line tool SoX to do this, but there are lots of alternatives.
Next you burn the resulting WAV files to CD, just be sure no 2 second gaps are added by the burner software.
Whether this will sound better than the released CD depends on the dynamic range of the HD Tracks version. We don't seem to know yet whether the HD Tracks version is indeed more dynamic; On the previous Dream Theater releases (SC, BCaSL, ADToE, DT) this was the case, however "Breaking The Fourth Wall" has exactly the same Dynamic Range as the CD.
Therefore, provided the HD Tracks version of The Astonishing is more dynamic than the CD version, it will still be more dynamic after the conversion process to 16/44.1.
In fact I created mp3 versions of the previous four studio albums' HD Tracks versions in 16/44.1, and in my opinion they sound noticably better than the CD version.
Like I said, I would probably notice more on repeat listens. Would say though that that's only about one third of the songs on the album. There's plenty of significant songs on this where he does not take a solo which is almost unheard of.
I have heard much more tasty stuff from JP on second run through though. Just getting up to end of Act 1 and am enjoying the album at least 3 times as I did on first listen. Three Days is particularly awesome, especially the "Bow down to Nafaryus" bits.
Just 20?
Results may vary.
:neverusethis:
Mike Portnoy's website is down. Probably putting up a new theme for TANot sure if serious.
Mike Portnoy's website is down. Probably putting up a new theme for TA
A Saviour In The Square.
DAT INTRO :'( :'( :'( :'(
more like so amazing...A Saviour In The Square.
DAT INTRO :'( :'( :'( :'(
What, is it so bad it made you cry?
noooooooo
The album is now available on Spotify
(https://i.imgur.com/CuOemi3.png)
Act of Faythe now.
Ahhhh. When a 4th is played and it resolves to a 3rd. :lol
People online are complaining that the album is mostly softer songs.
:dunno:
I could not care less about that.
I'm on " A Better Life " and I love it so far :)
Much better production that DT12.
For me, the track that completely stands out is Our New World. That is DT at its best. Like, easily beats anything they've done in the last 5 years. And more.
Act of Faythe now.
Ahhhh. When a 4th is played and it resolves to a 3rd. :lol
That's been one of my criticisms. This album is a bit "death by plagal cadence".
For me I don't like when a 4th doesn't resolve to a 3rd :lol
Brother, Can You Hear Me sounds like a song from church :biggrin:
It's been out for over an hour in the UK :neverusethis:
Uh oh it's the tripods from the 2005 War Of The Worlds :biggrin:
Well this album is definitely for those that thought DT were stuck in a creative rut.
It's the "weirdest" they've sounded since Six Degrees. And is by far the most of the Mangini Era.
*maybe* the RoadRunner era.
Brother, Can You Hear Me sounds like a song from church :biggrin:
So, can you fap to this album?
:lol i don't want to stop listening but it's 01:30 in the UK and I have work at 9amJust finish it...you know you want to ;)
:lol i don't want to stop listening but it's 01:30 in the UK and I have work at 9amdon't quit now!!
:lol i don't want to stop listening but it's 01:30 in the UK and I have work at 9amquit your job now!!
Mike Portnoy's website is down. Probably putting up a new theme for TA
Makes sense, given Lord Nafaryus was very inspired by Mike Portnoy.