Longest song on DT13 prediction

[RoeDent]

I don't know how long we'll have to play this prediction game, but let's give it a go. How long do you think the longest song on DT13 will be?

[Kotowboy]

We don't need another 20 minute + song. That's been done now.

Something slightly shorter please.

I'd like another album like ADTOE. 9  - 10 tracks. nothing over 12 minutes.

[Mladen]

I'd say 13 minutes.

The album will probably be eleven or twelve songs. A bit more speculation.

[jakepriest]

I'd appreciate good songs in the veins of Bridges in the Sky and BAI instead of the meh "epic" that is Illumination Theory.

[425]

I'm guessing somewhere between 14 and 16 minutes, so I voted 13-15. I don't think we'll see another 20+ epic, but I do think we'll see something ITNOG-esque.

[Enigmachine]

We don't need another 20 minute + song. That's been done now.

Something slightly shorter please.

I'd like another album like ADTOE. 9  - 10 tracks. nothing over 12 minutes.

Breaking All Illusions - 12:25

Sorry.

I know what you mean though, I like the semi-epic (well, semi for Dream Theater) songs like BAI, LtL and Blind Faith where the structure essentially seems to be Intro/Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus/Break/Chorus/Outro, but expanded on in a creative way with plenty of dynamic shifts and mood changes. StR from DT12 kind of fits in with this but all of the choruses are very distinct, there aren't any extended instrumental passages and it doesn't really have a colossal build-up like the aforementioned songs. It seems to be going for a more frantic feel with the final chorus being a release from that, making for a nice finale. Songs like LtL, in contrast, are more atmospheric and patient with clear peaks to it (like how the F#5, following guitar solo, WfS reprise and outro could all be considered the peak of the song) that make it have an adventurous quality similar to ACoS.

I would probably like a 13-15 minute song though, as we haven't had one since BCaSL and I have a feeling that they with return to making a bunch of longer songs like that album, turning away from what DT12 did, but I don't think they will make another epic this long after DT12.

I'd appreciate good songs in the veins of Bridges in the Sky and BAI instead of the meh "epic" that is Illumination Theory.

Well, what if the epic was an effort to do something completely different to IT and appealed to you? Not all epics they make in the future would likely be similar to IT.

[Lucien]

I put 10-12 minutes as a bit of a hope. I don't want another 20+ minute epic full of generic noodling. This isn't to say a 10-12 minute song can't have that, as we see in the glorified intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus songs that are the ADTOE epics (except BAI, unironically the best song on the album).

I want to see different structures the band hasn't used before, like sonata-allegro, or simply songs that are completely unstructured. I don't want a pop song structure with extra noodles on the side, which the band seems to be very good at making in bulk.

[Crow]

Watch as the album is fifteen 3-5 minute tracks that all flow into each other like one song.
I'd be hyped.

[jakepriest]

Watch as the album is fifteen 3-5 minute tracks that all flow into each other like one song.
I'd be hyped.

And then we'll have a thread of people who think it's one song vs. those who believe they are separate tracks. 

[OpenYourEyes311]

I'm thinking that if it's a double disc, they'll have a 30+ minute song. If it's only a single disc, I'd say the longest will be under 20. I'd like for them to try a 30-35 minute piece though. That would be something different.

[TheGreatPretender]

I'm thinking that if it's a double disc, they'll have a 30+ minute song. If it's only a single disc, I'd say the longest will be under 20. I'd like for them to try a 30-35 minute piece though. That would be something different.

Considering how long they've worked on this album compared to the previous 2, a double disc is not out of the realm of possibility.

[Crow]

Watch as the album is fifteen 3-5 minute tracks that all flow into each other like one song.
I'd be hyped.

And then we'll have a thread of people who think it's one song vs. those who believe they are separate tracks. 

i dunno i've never heard people argue about whether or not Colors is one song
like literally
never

[Kotowboy]

I predict the longest song will be the Title Track..


..which will be THE ONLY TRACK...


" Universal Flow : 75:75 "

[CharlesPL]

10-12 or 13-15 i vote on this 2nd option

We don't need another 20 minute + song. That's been done now.

This

[Kotowboy]

Illumination Theory was proof positive that when they try to write a 20 minute song for the sake of it - the results are ....cluttered and....not good.

[BelichickFan]

We don't need another 20 minute + song. That's been done now.

Something slightly shorter please.

I'd like another album like ADTOE. 9  - 10 tracks. nothing over 12 minutes.

So you don't want something that's been done before (20+ minute) and want to replace it with something that'd been done before (album like ADTOE)   

I'm sticking with the album will be one 80 minute track.  Because, why not.

[RoeDent]

Illumination Theory was proof positive that when they try to write a 20 minute song for the sake of it - the results are ....cluttered and....not good.

How do you know they did it "for the sake of it"? How do you know it didn't just evolve that way, like any other 20-minute song would?

[Kotowboy]

It has no flow and was a cluttered mess.

[Kotowboy]

So you don't want something that's been done before (20+ minute) and want to replace it with something that'd been done before.

I should have said " 20 + minute songs have been overdone by this point. "

[wolfking]

It has no flow and was a cluttered mess.

I completely disagree, I love it.

My prediction is a 37 minute song. 

[Darkstarshades]

They have never written an epic in the 30 minute range, that would be new, agree.

I highly doubt they even care that they had just launched an epic in the previous album, if it flows, it flows (no pun intended).

Take Octavarium and Systematic Chaos, at the time of their realases, both their epics where DT's 2nd longest song ever.
Then we got BC&SL where we got pretty much just long songs.

I wouldn't mind a 25 min epic or so, keep in mind that DT12 still had around 10 minutes left, so anything is possible.

[pcs90]

It has no flow and was a cluttered mess.

The only reason I could see it having no flow is because of the middle section. Edit that out and it's perfect...and still around 16 minutes long. But maybe I'm just odd, I think Octavarium has much less flow than Illumination Theory does...

[TAC]

it's a double disc, they'll have a 30+ minute song. 

This.

[BlobVanDam]

I'll say 13-15 minutes. Interestingly, while my favourite DT album is SDOIT which has their longest song, none of my top 4 favourite DT albums have a track longer than 14 minutes, which is an interesting statistic.
And since they've said the album will be something a bit different, I'm hoping they break the mold of the big epic.

[CodyWanKenobi]

I think they might do something like Transatlantic's The Whirlwind where the album is just one giant conceptual masterpiece of a song.

[Darkstarshades]

The changes on the website and their fb... has brought forth a theory...

The album will be highly disturbing, and many people will be left traumatized by it... This is their ultimate work, and nobody at a show will leave normally... they will all be disturbed, getting back home just to cry in total horror...

The band's image will be destroyed by this incident, and it will descend into obscurity... and DT, as well as its forums and its users, will become an urban legend, a creepypasta...

Its longest song will be the ultimate horror music.

[Lucien]

The changes on the website and their fb... has brought forth a theory...

Woah...



I didn't know their profile picture and stuff had changed. I wonder what's going on? This excites me.

[RoeDent]

The distortion simply represents the demise of the old DT12 era, to be replaced with the new DT13 era. I really doubt the distortion has anything to do with the actual content of the new album.

[krands85]

I would have said maybe something around the 15 minute mark, but the small bits of info we have heard about the album so far is making me think there might be something a little different/unusual about this one. Who knows!

I'll say 13-15 minutes. Interestingly, while my favourite DT album is SDOIT which has their longest song, none of my top 4 favourite DT albums have a track longer than 14 minutes, which is an interesting statistic.
And since they've said the album will be something a bit different, I'm hoping they break the mold of the big epic.

That's made me notice that, despite the fact all their 'epics' of around 20minutes or more tend to be among my favourite songs (aside from SDOIT), there isn't a song on any of my 4 favourite albums that is longer than 15 minutes.

[Stadler]

Am I the only one that couldn't give two craps whether it is 1:00 or 51:00 or anything in between, as long as it's something I want to come back to and listen to again (unlike everything on the last two albums except for This Is The Life and The Looking Glass)?

[Train of Naught]

A lot of people seem to think DT will go back to the ADTOE-ish style of song lengths,I think there will be one 15-16 minute track, but not quite the "big epic" they've been going back to so often. I'd say it would be more like ANTR where there's different movements within the song, opposed to a more expanded version of the standard intro verse chorus verse chorus etc. that we saw in songs like BAI.

[Pax]

I'd love them to write tracks just as long as on BCSL, but with much better quality (music, not production)...

[Elite]

Am I the only one that couldn't give two craps whether it is 1:00 or 51:00 or anything in between, as long as it's something I want to come back to and listen to again (unlike everything on the last two albums except for This Is The Life and The Looking Glass)?

No I feel completely the same, only I would pick both OTBOA and The Enemy Inside instead of TITL.

[seasonsinthesky]

The changes on the website and their fb... has brought forth a theory...

The album will be highly disturbing, and many people will be left traumatized by it... This is their ultimate work, and nobody at a show will leave normally... they will all be disturbed, getting back home just to cry in total horror...

The band's image will be destroyed by this incident, and it will descend into obscurity... and DT, as well as its forums and its users, will become an urban legend, a creepypasta...

Its longest song will be the ultimate horror music.

So they're doing Systematic Chaos redux? 

[pcs90]

Am I the only one that couldn't give two craps whether it is 1:00 or 51:00 or anything in between, as long as it's something I want to come back to and listen to again (unlike everything on the last two albums except for This Is The Life and The Looking Glass)?

Up until the last 3rd or so of your comment I completely agree! Length doesn't really matter to me as long as the content is good. But the last 2 albums have tons of stuff that make me want to listen over and over, so I guess that is where we disagree.