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Worst Song from each album?

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jammindude

Status Seeker or Only a Matter of Time

Another Day

Innocence Faded

You Not Me

Home

The Great Debate

In the Name of God

The Answer Lies Within

Prophets of War

Rite of Passage

On the Backs of Angels

Surrender to Reason

Randaran

1. Light Fuse Get Away
2. Under a Glass Moon
3. Lie
4. You Not Me
5. Through Her Eyes
6. Misunderstood
7. In the Name of God
8. Never Enough
9. Prophets of War
10. A Nightmare to Remember
11. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
12. Enigma Machine

Tomislav95

The Ones Who Help to set the Sun
Another Day
The Silent Man
You Not Me
The Dance of Eternity
The Great Debate
This Dying Soul
The Answer Lies Within
The Dark Eternal Night
A Rite of Passage
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Enigma Machine

KevShmev

Status Seeker (still pretty good)
Under a Glass Moon (still awesome)
Lie (still awesome)
You Not Me (not good)
Regression (by default)
The Great Debate (good song, with some killer parts, but just lacks that extra little something)
This Dying Soul (has some great parts, but some meh parts as well)
Never Enough (the Muse riff is good, but the lyrics really ruin this)
Constant Motion (good riff and great JP solo are ruined by embarrassingly bad vocal melodies...FOREVER MORE! INTO THE NIGHT BLISTERING!...so bad)
A Rite of Passage (not bad, just kind of bland)
On the Backs of Angels (very vanilla)
False Awakening Suite (enjoyable on a cheeseball level, but one of their lesser instrumentals)

jammindude

UGH!!  I forget about Lie because I dislike it so much...

Trade out my Innocence Faded for Lie

Dave_Manchester

Jammin, I know you won't mind my asking, I'm genuinely curious (lyrics do matter, after all)...I couldn't help notice many of your pics are songs which deal with the theme of God, religious ethics, or spirituality. Has that influenced your decision, or is it purely on musical grounds you list them as your least favourites (it's just that I don't think I've ever seen anyone say In The Name of God is their least favourite, or On The Backs of Angels, or Surrender to Reason...)

Rattlehead

Status Seeker
Another Day
Lie
You Not Me
Regression
The Great Debate
Honor Thy Father
I Walk Beside You
Forsaken
The Best Of Times
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Enigma Machine

jammindude

Quote from: Dave_Manchester on May 27, 2015, 05:17:21 PM
Jammin, I know you won't mind my asking, I'm genuinely curious (lyrics do matter, after all)...I couldn't help notice many of your pics are songs which deal with the theme of God, religious ethics, or spirituality. Has that influenced your decision, or is it purely on musical grounds you list them as your least favourites (it's just that I don't think I've ever seen anyone say In The Name of God is their least favourite, or On The Backs of Angels, or Surrender to Reason...)

Interesting.  I hadn't caught that.   It's ironic actually, because with In the Name of God in particular, I happen to be 100% on board with the lyrics.  In fact, ITNOG may be among my all time favorite lyrics by DT.   But honestly, the riff just didn't hit me the way that others did.   The other two you mentioned are ones where the lyrics are not as familiar to me....and actually, the two most recent albums are among the hardest to choose.  Because even if I just consider them mid-tier albums, they are shockingly consistent albums.  There's honestly not a single dud that stands out on the entire thing, so choosing one is rather difficult.  So on those last two, it is really just a matter of really liking the songs a lot, but not quite as much as the rest.     ITNOG falls into the same category as Home...it's revered as a classic, and I just don't get it at all.   I guess both of those songs just kinda bore me.

Dani Helios

When Dream and Day Unite - The Killing Hand
Images and Words -  Wait For Sleep
Awake - Scarred
Falling Into Infinity - New Millennium
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory - Through My Words
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - The Great Debate
Train of Thought - This Dying Soul
Octavarium - The Answer Lies Within (I like every song on this album, but it's not the worst)
Systematic Chaos - The Dark Eternal Night
Black Clouds & Silver Linings- A Rite of Passage
A Dramatic Turn of Events - Lost Not Forgotten
Dream Theater - The Bigger Picture

Dream Team

Status Seeker
Another Day
Silent Man
You Not Me
Regression (Through Her Eyes if Regression isn't considered a "song")
The Glass Prison
Honor Thy Father
Never Enough
The Dark Eternal Night
A Rite of Passage
Far From Heaven
either of the 2 instrumentals, I don't care which

Podaar

It's amazing to me how many of these lists sound like a pretty killer playlist!  :metal :biggrin:

Dublagent66

Only a Matter of Time
Another Day
Space Dye Vest
You Not Me
Regression
Disappear
Vacant
Never Enough
Prophets of War
The Best of Times
Far From Heaven
IT

OpenYourEyes311

The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Surrounded
Scarred
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
The Great Debate
Stream of Consciousness
Panic Attack
Repentance
The Best of Times
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Behind The Veil

The Cat Of Tuscany

I can't really say from WDADU, since I haven't yet listened to the full album.
I can't quite remember which I dislike from Images And Words the most.
6:00
Just Let Me Breathe
One Last Time
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
The Answer Lies Within
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
The Shattered Fortress
Far From Heaven
Enigma Machine

Nearmyth

Oh fun thread! There might be some controversy in mine, at least I like to think so. (+ for the good songs where I simply prefer the others, - for the ones I'm just straight up not into)

Only A Matter Of Time -
Pull Me Under -
Caught In A Web +
Burning My Soul -
Through My Words +
Disappear +
Endless Sacrifice -
I Walk Beside You +
Forsaken -
Rite Of Passage -
BmuBmd -
False Awakening Suite -

Crow

i was about to make another post here but i saw that i already made one so I updated it with rankings
turns out signatures are fundamentally broken now so here's my passive-aggressive signature about signatures instead

Jaffa

When Dream and Day Unite: The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun
Images and Words: Another Day
Awake: 6:00
Falling Into Infinity: Burning My Soul
Scenes from a Memory: Through My Words
Six Degrees: The Great Debate
Train of Thought: Endless Sacrifice
Octavarium: The Answer Lies Within
Systematic Chaos: Repentance
Black Clouds and Silver Linings: The Best of Times
A Dramatic Turn of Events: Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Dream Theater: The Bigger Picture

For me, the hardest album to choose from is Train of Thought.  With most of their albums, it's pretty easy for me to break the songs up into tiers and pick a least favorite, even if I like all the songs on the album.  But I've always found Train of Thought really consistent.  It doesn't have any real weak points for me.  I picked Endless Sacrifice as the 'worst', but it was pretty much a dice roll. 

jakepriest

Quote from: jammindude on May 27, 2015, 03:34:30 PM
Innocence Faded
Home
The Great Debate
In the Name of God
On the Backs of Angels
Surrender to Reason

wth  :facepalm:

jammindude

^^^^^^^^^

Remember that in some cases, you're confusing "worst" with "least best"..   :angel:

EDIT:  Also don't forget that in a later post, I amended my Awake choice.   Lie is the replacement for IF.

ToT-147

Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2015, 11:19:07 PM
BCASL - TSF - It works ok enough in the context of the whole 12SS, but it's mostly just a medley of much better songs.

Tired of seeing this incorrect argument against TSF, I decided to listen the song with a chronometer and this was the result: 5:18 of medley parts and 7:31 of new material.. So it's not "mostly" a medley of other songs, it's less a medley (or "frankenstein", as some like to say) than a regular song..

Quote from: Madman Shepherd on May 27, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
Octavarium: Full Circle.  I love every song but 8V is almost unlistenable because of this one part.  I need to make an edit without Full Circle. 

WTF!.. That's one of DT's best moments IMO.. W-T-F..

Anyway, I do that kind of things.. I mean, to make ''special'' editions of songs.. I edited the two songs of Haken with growling vocals, i. e..  ;D


About the thread per se (very interesting btw):

1- The Ones who Help to Set the Sun   :|

2- Wait for Sleep  :censored

3- Lifting Shadows Off a Dream  :sad:

4- Just Let Me Breathe   :censored

5- Regression  :sad:

6- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence  :smiley:

7- Honor Thy Father  :tup

8- Never Enough  :smiley:

9- Prophets of War  :smiley:

10- Wither  :smiley:

11- Build Me Up, Break Me Down  :|

12- Enigma Machine  :-\


Another two :sad: songs: Anna Lee and Surrounded

Another :censored song: New Millenium

BlobVanDam

#55
Quote from: ToT-147 on May 31, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2015, 11:19:07 PM
BCASL - TSF - It works ok enough in the context of the whole 12SS, but it's mostly just a medley of much better songs.

Tired of seeing this incorrect argument against TSF, I decided to listen the song with a chronometer and this was the result: 5:18 of medley parts and 7:31 of new material.. So it's not "mostly" a medley of other songs, it's less a medley (or "frankenstein", as some like to say) than a regular song..


Your idea of new material must be more generous than mine, because from a quick skim I found about 3 minutes of material that wasn't derivative of earlier songs in a significant way, including the fade-in intro that accounts for half of that. That's a majority of the song.

But even by your own measure that is meant to defend the song, that's over 40% reused material. That's almost half. That is not less medley than a regular song. Most songs are 0% medley...

The rest of the suite is significantly less, usually just one or two connections. The first time I heard TDS, I didn't even know it was connected to TGP until over half way in when it reprised the heavy B riff (over 6 minutes in). TROAE has a one minute intro based on one reused riff from TDS (which makes sense as it's a bridge between the two songs), then has the reused chorus that goes for about half a minute. Repentance's main riff is a clean version of a riff from TDS, but is otherwise basically new.

Darkstarshades

Quote from: ToT-147 on May 31, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2015, 11:19:07 PM
BCASL - TSF - It works ok enough in the context of the whole 12SS, but it's mostly just a medley of much better songs.

Tired of seeing this incorrect argument against TSF, I decided to listen the song with a chronometer and this was the result: 5:18 of medley parts and 7:31 of new material.. So it's not "mostly" a medley of other songs, it's less a medley (or "frankenstein", as some like to say) than a regular song..

Quote from: Madman Shepherd on May 27, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
Octavarium: Full Circle.  I love every song but 8V is almost unlistenable because of this one part.  I need to make an edit without Full Circle. 

WTF!.. That's one of DT's best moments IMO.. W-T-F..

Anyway, I do that kind of things.. I mean, to make ''special'' editions of songs.. I edited the two songs of Haken with growling vocals, i. e..  ;D


About the thread per se (very interesting btw):

1- The Ones who Help to Set the Sun   :|

2- Wait for Sleep  :censored

3- Lifting Shadows Off a Dream  :sad:

4- Just Let Me Breathe   :censored

5- Regression  :sad:

6- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence  :smiley:

7- Honor Thy Father  :tup

8- Never Enough  :smiley:

9- Prophets of War  :smiley:

10- Wither  :smiley:

11- Build Me Up, Break Me Down  :|

12- Enigma Machine  :-\


Another two :sad: songs: Anna Lee and Surrounded

Another :censored song: New Millenium
Agree with you there.
TSF is a pretty cool standalone song and... well, idk why is that one placed as the least best but not Repentance from SC

ToT-147

Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
From a quick skim I found about 3 minutes of material that wasn't derivative of earlier songs in a significant way, including the fade-in intro that accounts for half of that.

The intro?.. In which previous song is that part?..

Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
But even by your own measure that is meant to defend the song, that's over 40% reused material. That's almost half. That is not less medley than a regular song. Most songs are 0% medley...

Maybe I express myself wrong.. I meant to say that there's more new material than medley parts in the song.. Yeah, obviously, is the 'most medley' song I know (a studio version song)..

Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
TROAE has a one minute intro based on one reused riff from TDS (which makes sense as it's a bridge between the two songs), then has the reused chorus that goes for about half a minute.

And also the outro, with one of Octavarium's main melodies..

bosk1

Quote from: Dave_Manchester on May 27, 2015, 05:17:21 PM
Jammin, I know you won't mind my asking, I'm genuinely curious (lyrics do matter, after all)...I couldn't help notice many of your pics are songs which deal with the theme of God, religious ethics, or spirituality. Has that influenced your decision, or is it purely on musical grounds you list them as your least favourites (it's just that I don't think I've ever seen anyone say In The Name of God is their least favourite, or On The Backs of Angels, or Surrender to Reason...)

???  How so?  The only one of his that deals with religion or spirituality is In the Name of God.  Maybe The Great Debate, in an indirect way.  But still, that is only two songs.  I don't get where you are coming from.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: ToT-147 on June 01, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
From a quick skim I found about 3 minutes of material that wasn't derivative of earlier songs in a significant way, including the fade-in intro that accounts for half of that.

The intro?.. In which previous song is that part?..


I mean the intro is part of the original material, not the other way around. Pardon my cruddy wording! I wasn't counting the Octavarium melody, since that's not a part of the 12SS. :tup

ToT-147

Quote from: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2015, 08:10:21 PM
I mean the intro is part of the original material, not the other way around. Pardon my cruddy wording!

No.. I was the one who got it wrong.. Your wording is fine..  ;)

Quote from: bosk1 on June 01, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
???  How so?  The only one of his that deals with religion or spirituality is In the Name of God.  Maybe The Great Debate, in an indirect way.  But still, that is only two songs.  I don't get where you are coming from.

Now that I look at Jammin's list again, yeah, there aren't "many" songs in there dealing with those themes, even when I'd add The Answer Lies Within and Surrender to Reason about spirituality, and Prophets of War about religion..

mrrct

After reading the forum for months and signing up for it weeks ago, I thought now would be a good time to make my first post.

WD&DU:  can't make a selection, because I've only listened to it all the way through a couple of times.
I&W:  Another Day (not a bad song per se, but just the wimpiest on the album.)
A:  The Mirror
FII:  Anna Lee
SFAM:  The Dance of Eternity (too much musical masturbation.)
SD:  Disappear
TOT:  Vacant
O:  Octavarium (my least favorite of all of their epics.) 
SC:  Repentance
BC&SL:  The Best of Times
ADTOE:  On the Backs of Angels (how this was Grammy nominated is beyond me, when they've literally had dozens of better songs.)
DT:  Don't care for any of The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil, or Surrender to Reason.

So there you go.  I'm looking forward to conversing with some of you from here on out.

bosk1

Quote from: ToT-147 on June 01, 2015, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on June 01, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
???  How so?  The only one of his that deals with religion or spirituality is In the Name of God.  Maybe The Great Debate, in an indirect way.  But still, that is only two songs.  I don't get where you are coming from.

Now that I look at Jammin's list again, yeah, there aren't "many" songs in there dealing with those themes, even when I'd add The Answer Lies Within and Surrender to Reason about spirituality, and Prophets of War about religion..

???  Um...NONE of those songs are about religion.

ToT-147

Why do you say "none of those", when I'm just pointing out a single one?.. Anyway, maybe PoW it's not about religion.. But the other two ARE about spirituality..

Darkstarshades

Quote from: mrrct on June 01, 2015, 08:53:04 PM
After reading the forum for months and signing up for it weeks ago, I thought now would be a good time to make my first post.

WD&DU:  can't make a selection, because I've only listened to it all the way through a couple of times.
I&W:  Another Day (not a bad song per se, but just the wimpiest on the album.)
A:  The Mirror
FII:  Anna Lee
SFAM:  The Dance of Eternity (too much musical masturbation.)
SD:  Disappear
TOT:  Vacant
O:  Octavarium (my least favorite of all of their epics.) 
SC:  Repentance
BC&SL:  The Best of Times
ADTOE:  On the Backs of Angels (how this was Grammy nominated is beyond me, when they've literally had dozens of better songs.)
DT:  Don't care for any of The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil, or Surrender to Reason.

So there you go.  I'm looking forward to conversing with some of you from here on out.
What...? Wtf?  :justjen :justjen :justjen

Anyway... Welcome!

Laughingplace56

Honestly, there's not a DT song I don't like. I definitely know some of my least favorites, but there isn't a single song in their discography that I can say sucks. But, if I had to pick my least favorite of each album:

WDADU: Status Seeker
I&W: Another Day
Awake: Innocence Faded
FII: New Millennium
SFaM: Through My Words, by default.
Six Degrees: War Inside My Head (I can't pick any of the 6 songs, so I picked my least favorite part of SDoIT)
ToT: Stream of Consciousness
Octavarium: The Answer Lies Within
SC: Repentance
BC&SL: A Rite of Passage (least favorite DT song overall. It's super generic to me.)
ADToE: Build Me Up, Break Me Down
DT12: Along For the Ride

Train of Naught

When Dream and Day Unite: The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Images and Words: Surrounded
Awake: The Silent Man
Falling Into Infinity: Take Away My Pain/Anna Lee
Scenes From a Memory: Through Her Eyes
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: The Great Debate (disc 1), Goodnight Kiss (disc 2)
Train of Thought: Vacant
Octavarium: The Answer Lies Within
Systematic Chaos: Repentance
Black Clouds and Silver Linings: A Rite of Passage
A Dramatic Turn of Events: Far From Heaven
Dream Theater: The Looking Glass

VincentMDO

The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Pull me Under
The Mirror
Take Away my Pain
Through her Eyes
Losing Time
Honor Thy Father
Never Enough
In the Presence of Enemies pt.2
A Rite of Passage
Far from Heaven
Along for the Ride

ResultsMayVary

The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Wait For Sleep
Space-Dye Vest
You Not Me
Regression
Disappear
Vacant
I Walk Beside You
Constant Motion
Wither
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Enigma Machine

Some albums are just too good, so that the worst song is still pretty good.

JiM-Xtreme

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on June 04, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
Some albums are just too good, so that the worst song is still pretty good.

By that do you mean, pretty much all of them?

'cos I had pretty much taken that to be assumed when I wrote my list.   :biggrin: