Can Kevin Moore be considered as the "Syd Barret" of DT?

[mabowe]

Just wondering what all feel about it.

[Rodni Demental]

Depends if the reason Kevin left Dream Theater was cause he was addicted to cocaine.

[GasparXR]

Just wondering what all feel about it.

I don't think Kevin Moore ended his relationship with DT by playing only G chords during the end of their last tour together, so no. No comparison.

[rumborak]

Not really. Syd Barret's departure meant a massive change of PF's style, whereas after KM DT essentially continued as before. And also, Syd is heavily associated with drug use and erratic, psychotic behavior. KM isn't.

So, no.

[rumborak]

I would say KM is the Cliff Burton of DT. Except he didn't die choking on his own puke, or played bass. But I think they were about the same height.

[Rodni Demental]

I suppose I can appreciate the comparison that they were both influential composers and songwriters at the start of both Band's careers, they both left their bands early, and they're both somewhat socially reclusive (might be a bit of an unfair assumption because I don't really know that about Moore, but you get the impression a little bit).

[SystematicThought]

I would say KM is the Cliff Burton of DT. Except he didn't die choking on his own puke

You mean thrown from the bus window and crushed by the bus, and crushed again when the winch lifting the bus off you snaps

[rumborak]

Oh crap, you're right. Wrong rock 'n roll death.

[Sad Wings]

Yeah, Burton is a much more apt comparison and fitting since both played on the band's first three albums.

[chaossystem]

I would say KM is the Cliff Burton of DT. Except he didn't die choking on his own puke, or played bass. But I think they were about the same height.

Cliff Burton died in a bus accident.

[chaossystem]

Depends if the reason Kevin left Dream Theater was cause he was addicted to cocaine.

Syd Barret was into psychedelics, not opiates.

[chaossystem]

I think the closest comparison would be to Tony Kaye (Yes's original keyboard player.)

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I don't know much about Floyd, but wasn't Barrett sort of the bandleader dude for a while? Kev never really was anything like that in DT, he was just another member (not to marginalize his contributions or anything).

[Rodni Demental]

Depends if the reason Kevin left Dream Theater was cause he was addicted to cocaine.

Syd Barret was into psychedelics, not opiates.

Ah right, it was probably a decade or so too early for that one.

[BlobVanDam]

Oh crap, you're right. Wrong rock 'n roll death.

To be fair, as far as rock n roll deaths go, "drowning in vomit" had about a 50% chance of being right.

I can't say whose vomit they choked on though. You can't dust for vomit.

[Madman Shepherd]

Syd Barret dropped out of the public eye and worked quietly behind the scenes to advance women's rights,and end the elephant slaughter in Sierra Leone. 

Kevin Moore became a Mormon and has pretty much been a family man so I don't think they are anything alike. 

Wait, just what Syd Barret and Kevin Moore are we talking about?

[black_biff_stadler]

I'll say no because Kev was actually talented.

I don't know much about Floyd

Just PM me. I'm an open book.

[rumborak]

Oh crap, you're right. Wrong rock 'n roll death.

To be fair, as far as rock n roll deaths go, "drowning in vomit" had about a 50% chance of being right.

I can't say whose vomit they choked on though. You can't dust for vomit.

I heard all that remained was a small, green globule.

[rumborak]

Kevin Moore became a Mormon

Wot? That is total news to me.

[JayOctavarium]

Nah. Doesn't Kevin work for NASA or some shit now?

[Mosh]

Absolutely not. When Syd Barret left the band almost fell apart without him. They were more or less his backing band and the band had to learn how to step up as writers and find their voice without him.

Put simply, when Syd left Pink Floyd, the band had to adapt to a new sound without him. When KM left DT, they kept evolving their sound as it already was and the new keyboardists had to adapt to them.

[black_biff_stadler]

Nah. Doesn't Kevin work for NASA or some shit now?

Yes. Project: Space-Dye Vest

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[rumborak]

The analogy also falls apart at the point where Barett didn't start two kickass projects after his departure.

[Madman Shepherd]

Nah. Doesn't Kevin work for NASA or some shit now?

Well I know he signed up to go to Mars but I don't know what became of it...

[JayOctavarium]

https://news.discovery.com/space/nasa-eyes-crew-deep-sleep-option-for-mission-to-mars-141003.htm

[Grizz]

Wow, it's like the nausea inducing (from the centrifuge used to create g-forces) Disney ride!

[wasteland]

The last time I heard about Kevin he was studying medicine in some mid-east US university.

[Bertielee]

The last time I heard about Kevin he was studying medicine in some mid-east US university.

If you mean Turkey, he left some time ago and came back to the States if my memory doesn't fail me.

B.Lee

[wasteland]

No, I meant a US state located in the mid-eastern part of the North American continent 

[Mebert78]

This talk of Kevin leaving reminds me of my fresh look at "Lie" last week after hearing the song on Breaking the Fourth Wall.  Maybe some of the song's lyrical elements are connected to Kevin's emotional perspective when he decided to leave DT...

The "Lie" lyrics have always been hard to decipher, but as I started to read them over and over I felt like I was able to get a better grasp for them -- and for Kevin's state-of-mind when he decided to leave.  Obviously, the song is about a relationship damaged by a lie, or by the act of lying.  From the chorus (Don't tell me you wanted me/Don't tell me you thought of me), I get the impression that the scorned guy is saying: Don't tell me you thought of me while you were cheating/during sex, etc.  I also get the impression that the guy is suicidal, because of the whole lake scene at the beginning.  The man is drowning/killing himself and he's perfectly aware of it.  He's trying to figure out a way to right his mind and end those thoughts, but he can't.  He's too devastated -- as we see in "Space-Dye Vest," which I consider the aftermath of "Lie."  The "Mother Mary quite contrary" nursery rhyme part of the song could simply be the guy mocking the girl because she's acting like a child.   She's acting very cavalier about the whole situation, telling him she should get three strikes, aka "three more coming" -- but the guy says "Once is just enough for me."

At the end of the song, I feel like the guy is moving onto a new girl for a rebound when he says "She comes in apparently to fill the void."  He's basically using her for affection/sex because "she would never hurt me."  The "using a girl" concept is also apparent in the song "Light Fuse and Get Away," which had lyrics also written by Kevin.  Then there are the song's final lines, which are also hard to interpret -- particularly the one about the stepfather.  Personally, I feel like that's a line none of us are supposed to understand -- except for the one person the song is about.  It's almost like the climactic line that you say in an argument before hanging up the phone -- "And you can tell your stepfather I said so!" [click/hang up]

Anyway, just wanted to share my interpretation of "Lie."  Maybe some of these emotional/relationship elements played a role in him needing to get away from everything.   

[CrimsonSunrise]

Depends if the reason Kevin left Dream Theater was cause he was addicted to cocaine.

Syd Barret was into psychedelics, not opiates.

Cocaine isn't an opiate    Yeah, the comparison to Barrett loses steam pretty quick. 

[hefdaddy42]

Can Kevin Moore be considered as the "Syd Barret" of DT?

No.

[Stadler]

Paul Di'anno, maybe.
Greg Lake (from Crimson), maybe.
Rick Wakeman (circa Tales), maybe.

Syd Barrett? Nope.

[Mladen]

I've always considered Lie to be a very personal song. It does sound like only Kev knew what he was writing about, or who he was writing about, and those lyrics are always kind of cool.

[JediKnight1969]

If we're going to play this game, I'd compare him to Chris DeGarmo.