WatchMoJo.com Top 10 (plus honorable mentions)

[SoundscapeMN]

hardly a list that includes many I would personally include, but it is interesting to see what people who vote on that site would vote for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIZaL4tROI

[Sycsa]

Funny, I was just done with a WatchMojo top 10s watching spree. I liked it, taking into account their established criteria, none of the picks made me raise an eyebrow (except maybe for TCOT, I raised my hand when she said "Who could ask for anything more?") and I think it's a great introduction to the band for newcomers. The stuff that was said about the songs was also insightful enough to satisfy.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

I still don't think Panic Attack is even close to being a top 50 DT song.

[Sycsa]

I still don't think Panic Attack is even close to being a top 30 DT song.

Fixed & agreed. It's there because of Rock Band, thus turning quite a lot of people to DT. 

[yeah_93]

Should have guessed Octavarium was on top.

[TheAtliator]

Actually this isn't bad at all! I'm pleasantly surprised, from a thing like this, I was expecting (well first I wouldn't expect DT at all, but if so)-

As I Am
Metropolis Part 1
On The Backs of Angels
Home
Constant Motion
Forsaken
Wither
The Enemy Inside
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under

But no! I got a bunch of my top ten in there, and 8vm (my number 1) as #1! And some facts that are actually accurate, video and audio that matches up, and a list that isn't just a googled list of DT singles.

I would say this is an okay introduction to DT for a random person browsing.

[Crow]

Yeah, better than I expected and I grinned seeing 6:00 at least mentioned. The top 3 are predictable as hell picks but they're all damn good so oh well.

[Ultimetalhead]

I could barely watch the video because of the cringe-inducing canned female voice who obviously has no clue what she's talking about, but it's a solid list.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

I could barely watch the video because of the cringe-inducing canned female voice who obviously has no clue what she's talking about, but it's a solid list.

Yeah, she was really cheesy

[TheAtliator]

REALLY cheesy, that's for sure 

[Skeever]

enemy inside No. 2? WOW

[Sycsa]

enemy inside No. 2? WOW

Not. It was just an honorable mention.

[Skeever]

oh ok, missed that, because I was skipping around not wanting to watch the whole thing

[SoundscapeMN]

I could barely watch the video because of the cringe-inducing canned female voice who obviously has no clue what she's talking about, but it's a solid list.

I'm not sure I disagree, however, she did interview JP twice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RZrA34AV6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HpU4t_N2SM

also for those who may be curious, they also did a top 10 (with hm's) for Rush recently too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_U8sIUwgZI

[Evermind]

The only song in my Top 10 from this list is ITPOE, and it's in honorable mentions; but I still liked some picks like 8vm and TCOT, and the unexpected 6:00 in honorable mentions.

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

[Sycsa]

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

Well, there's that octave concept, so why not.

[?]

My top 10 would be totally different (with the exception of ACOS), but I've some watched some WatchMojo list videos before and it's cool that they did one for DT.

[snapple]

10-2+ honorable mentions "oh this is a fun list, i wonder what #1 will be"

1 "wow fuck you watch mojo"

[wasteland]

About 6 minutes into the video I realized that list would not feature the likes of Trial Of Tears or Learning To Live, I silently laughed at that.

Very cool, though, it's always cool seeing DT getting some kind of mainstream aknowledgement or even a simple nod like this. Of course many watchMojo followers might discover the band through this video, which makes it even cooler

[Rodni Demental]

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

It's an album with a concept right?

There's no denying that the octave concept completely influenced the songwriting. Ie. what key a song was written in, the mathematical 'rules' of what a song was allowed to do. As opposed to a concept album that's musically connected through lyrical themes like Scenes From A Memory.

[Scrub206]

Number 1 is exactly what it should be. 

[mikemangioy]

I think the list is ok.
BUT Panic Attack. BUT The Enemy Inside in the honorable mentions. BUT no Learning To Live.

[Sycsa]

I think the list is ok.
BUT Panic Attack. BUT The Enemy Inside in the honorable mentions. BUT no Learning To Live.

As far as my taste goes, I agree, with adding a big BUT before TCOT as well. BUT since they were taking into account both popularity amongst fans & commercial success, it's understandable. Panic Attack was in Rock Band, reached millions of people, The Enemy Inside is their fresh single and was nominated for Grammy and LTL would have been the third song featured from I&W, which would have been excessive. Under these terms, it had no chance to beat either PMU or Metropolis, but it definitely should have been in the honorable mentions.

[senecadawg2]

I didn't like the list itself, given that at least half of the songs wouldn't make my top 30 or probably even 50, and I definitely didn't like that narration but I guess it's nice to see anyways.

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

It's an album with a concept right?

There's no denying that the octave concept completely influenced the songwriting. Ie. what key a song was written in, the mathematical 'rules' of what a song was allowed to do. As opposed to a concept album that's musically connected through lyrical themes like Scenes From A Memory.

I think this has been debated to death before.

[Sycsa]

I didn't like the list itself, given that at least half of the songs wouldn't make my top 30 or probably even 50, and I definitely didn't like that narration but I guess it's nice to see anyways.

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

It's an album with a concept right?

There's no denying that the octave concept completely influenced the songwriting. Ie. what key a song was written in, the mathematical 'rules' of what a song was allowed to do. As opposed to a concept album that's musically connected through lyrical themes like Scenes From A Memory.

I think this has been debated to death before.

Shutting down conversations with that approach would instantly kill this forum.

[Octavarious]

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

It's an album with a concept right?

There's no denying that the octave concept completely influenced the songwriting. Ie. what key a song was written in, the mathematical 'rules' of what a song was allowed to do. As opposed to a concept album that's musically connected through lyrical themes like Scenes From A Memory.

You are right about Octavarium, but SFAM is NOT a concept album at all.
A concept album, as far as lyrics are concerned (so not 8VM), is what Pink Floyd did with Animals or Dark Side. In other words, different songs, different stories, all linked by same theme.
SFAM is like The Wall, or Lamb lies down on Broadway. A true Rock Opera.
Just like Tommy or Quadrophenia. The only difference is no one SO FAR planned to bring it on a stage with actors and dancers or make a movie out of it, so exactly like TLLDOB, same story (what a shame, would be a masterpiece).

[BlobVanDam]

I have never in my decade on this forum seen anybody try to argue that SFAM is not a concept album. There is a very good reason for this. Because that's just silly.

[senecadawg2]

Also, she says Octavarium is a concept album. 

It's an album with a concept right?

There's no denying that the octave concept completely influenced the songwriting. Ie. what key a song was written in, the mathematical 'rules' of what a song was allowed to do. As opposed to a concept album that's musically connected through lyrical themes like Scenes From A Memory.

You are right about Octavarium, but SFAM is NOT a concept album at all.
A concept album, as far as lyrics are concerned (so not 8VM), is what Pink Floyd did with Animals or Dark Side. In other words, different songs, different stories, all linked by same theme.
SFAM is like The Wall, or Lamb lies down on Broadway. A true Rock Opera.
Just like Tommy or Quadrophenia. The only difference is no one SO FAR planned to bring it on a stage with actors and dancers or make a movie out of it, so exactly like TLLDOB, same story (what a shame, would be a masterpiece).

Are concept albums and rock operas mutually exclusive? Why can't SFAM be both (assuming you are right and it is, in fact, a rock opera)

[Octavarious]

Well, right, I will try to be clearer. Bit challenging as I am not a native speaker.
What defines a rock opera?
To put it simple, it's one story going through the same album, same  main characters, there is a beginning and an end (sometimes not precisely the beginning and the end of the album, eg the Wall), there are actions, things happen, some characters come and go, some die, or love each other... Do you know, any opera or act or film... Got it? What is different in SFAM? Absolutely nothing.

So it's much more than a concept album, where songs are linked together by actually same theme, or lyrics follow a certain consistency (eg Animals). But lyrics concern different stories, characters etc.
To make an example, try to image disc 2 of SDOIT as an album on its own, so not a real suite but each song on its own, even if musically linked, well THAT, in DT terms, would be a concept album: all songs have same theme but their lyrics are telling different stories, all linked together by the fact they are referring to mental disorder. Even the musical consistency would never classify this as a rock opera. There's no story, no plot, just an overarching theme.

If this is silly, then I would please have Blob or someone else please explain why SFAM is not a rock opera, what is different, or why concept album and rock operas are just the same thing (personally I would find both things quite hard).
Or is it instead something different, i.e. in the last years the 2 definitions 100% overlapped, in terms of spoken language, and  I might not be aware of this. Still, I would find it completely incorrect. Would you ever say that Jesus Christ Superstar and Dark Side of the Moon have same structure?
Or is it that in 1999 someone said "wow, a concept album" and nobody was arguing this actually wasn't, and since then it has become a dogma?

If you want, we could say that SFAM is MUCH MORE THAN A CONCEPT ALBUM.
So everybody is happy - at least on this board.

[ReaperKK]

I could barely watch the video because of the cringe-inducing canned female voice who obviously has no clue what she's talking about, but it's a solid list.

The cheesiness doesn't bother as much as her flat voice. Interesting list though.

[Crow]

10-2+ honorable mentions "oh this is a fun list, i wonder what #1 will be"

1 "wow fuck you watch mojo"

If you didn't expect 8VM #1 going in (or ESPECIALLY after #3 and #2 were said) then I don't know what you were expecting