Pull Me Under - Live at Luna Park

[Ben_Jamin]

Okay, listened to it a few times. Here's some notes:

- Nice camera work
- Except when it's out of sync with the audio
- Good job, JLB
- Great job JR, too bad you have to strain to hear him over JP
- Myung, neither easily seen nor heard
- What is James saying around 5'? "Wanna hear a big...?"
- "only until your will is duuAAHHHHHHHheeehnu

Another one: Is it just me, or does the song "stutter" when it transitions from the intro to the full band coming in?

That's what I was talking about in the beginning of this thread. Its like a really bad edit skip.

[Dream Team]

Something is horribly wrong with this vid.  The drummer is supposed to get at least 60% of the screen time.  Did something change?

When the drummer is by far the most interesting visual aspect of the show, I don't mind the 60%.

[metrojam]

I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky. I hear JM just fine. I hear Jordan just fine. The mix is fine for a live performance, and this is a song we've all heard a bazillion times. For those wishing the audience was more audible: remember, all of the performances where you can hear the audience singing (almost louder than JLB at times) have been from indoor gigs, or festivals. Plus, PMU is the last song of the show. From what i saw, the audience was really into it. It's possible that they were singing, just not at the volume we're used to hearing on indoor shows.  I attribute the lack of audible singing to the fact that it's an outside gig, with nothing for the decibels of the audience to be amplified against.

Personally, I can't wait for November 5.

LMAO, Luna Park is an INSIDE theater, so whats your NEXT suggestion then Mr "I hear everything perfectly"??, the crowd were all "miming"?.. The fact is that 80% of the people commenting in here are saying that the mix is bad, yet of course, YOU are bound to be right and think its clever to make childish comments ("I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky!"). Don't you understand what a FORUM message board is for? Its so that people are allowed to pass their OWN comments, good or bad, and just because everyone does not agree with yourself, does not make their comments unworthy or open to ridicule. Maybe they should re-title it then, just to please some of the "Mr Perfects" in here like yourself, to the "DT only positive and creeping fan boy type comments are allowed" Forum then?

[Prog Snob]

I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky. I hear JM just fine. I hear Jordan just fine. The mix is fine for a live performance, and this is a song we've all heard a bazillion times. For those wishing the audience was more audible: remember, all of the performances where you can hear the audience singing (almost louder than JLB at times) have been from indoor gigs, or festivals. Plus, PMU is the last song of the show. From what i saw, the audience was really into it. It's possible that they were singing, just not at the volume we're used to hearing on indoor shows.  I attribute the lack of audible singing to the fact that it's an outside gig, with nothing for the decibels of the audience to be amplified against.

Personally, I can't wait for November 5.

LMAO, Luna Park is an INSIDE theater, so whats your NEXT suggestion then Mr "I hear everything perfectly"??, the crowd were all "miming"?.. The fact is that 80% of the people commenting in here are saying that the mix is bad, yet of course, YOU are bound to be right and think its clever to make childish comments ("I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky!"). Don't you understand what a FORUM message board is for? Its so that people are allowed to pass their OWN comments, good or bad, and just because everyone does not agree with yourself, does not make their comments unworthy or open to ridicule. Maybe they should re-title it then, just to please some of the "Mr Perfects" in here like yourself, to the "DT only positive and creeping fan boy type comments are allowed" Forum then?

[cramx3]

I had no issues with the mix and I've had no issues with previous dt mixes. Some are better than others but I haven't heard any that are bad.

[ReaperKK]

Overall pretty good, solid performance. Not too big a fan of JP's guitar sound, it's too overtone-y.

And on a completely different note: JP is getting dangerously close to a skullet.

That's not a skullet, this is a skullet: https://love-it-loud.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Devin%2BTownsend-276x300.jpg

[wasteland]

Overall pretty good, solid performance. Not too big a fan of JP's guitar sound, it's too overtone-y.

And on a completely different note: JP is getting dangerously close to a skullet.

That's not a skullet, this is a skullet: https://love-it-loud.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Devin%2BTownsend-276x300.jpg

As soon as I read what you wrote before the link, I found I didn't even have to check it to know who was shown in there. 

[?]

I only watched this once in the morning so I don't have a lot to say (yet), except that James sounds great and the guys are clearly having fun However, the drum sound is kind of flat like on the latest 2 albums and the crowd isn't as loud as I expected. Luckily I have a strong feeling this DVD will beat the previous three (I know, the performance on Score is great, but the lackluster setlist prevents me from thinking it's the best DT live release)

[Öxölklöfför]

I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky. I hear JM just fine. I hear Jordan just fine. The mix is fine for a live performance, and this is a song we've all heard a bazillion times. For those wishing the audience was more audible: remember, all of the performances where you can hear the audience singing (almost louder than JLB at times) have been from indoor gigs, or festivals. Plus, PMU is the last song of the show. From what i saw, the audience was really into it. It's possible that they were singing, just not at the volume we're used to hearing on indoor shows.  I attribute the lack of audible singing to the fact that it's an outside gig, with nothing for the decibels of the audience to be amplified against.

Personally, I can't wait for November 5.

LMAO, Luna Park is an INSIDE theater, so whats your NEXT suggestion then Mr "I hear everything perfectly"??, the crowd were all "miming"?.. The fact is that 80% of the people commenting in here are saying that the mix is bad, yet of course, YOU are bound to be right and think its clever to make childish comments ("I swear some of the audiophiles on here are so friggin picky!"). Don't you understand what a FORUM message board is for? Its so that people are allowed to pass their OWN comments, good or bad, and just because everyone does not agree with yourself, does not make their comments unworthy or open to ridicule. Maybe they should re-title it then, just to please some of the "Mr Perfects" in here like yourself, to the "DT only positive and creeping fan boy type comments are allowed" Forum then?

Well, everyone's entitled of an opinion, metrojam. But in your case, based on your review of the clip earlier in this thread, it just comes of as a bad excuse for unnecessary bashing.

[wolfking]

I think we are fully entitled to criticize the mix, it's really quite terrible.

[wasteland]

I think we are fully entitled to criticize the mix, it's really quite terrible.

Wel, it was not the mix I am used to with live DT performances, but it was entirely acceptable to me. My experience with DT bootlegs helped me put everything into the right perspective. 

[Öxölklöfför]

I think we are fully entitled to criticize the mix, it's really quite terrible.

I think it sounds great. The guitar is loud, but not too loud. I can hear JMX quite well, and I think that there's a lot of room in the mix. It doesn't have the loudest audience I've ever heard, but it's hard to judge an entire concert from one song.

But what the hell, I'm one of those people that are really happy that my favorite band is putting out a new live DVD, I probably won't analyze the mix any further unless something pops up that really bothers me. And it hasn't so far. It will be interesting to hear how it sounds in a surround environment though - Their earlier efforts hasn't really worked IMHO, they've just sounded strange.

[Lucien]

All I know is that I shudder whenever I hear him sing "arrows fly" in the beginning of the song here. That rawness, that power. MY GOD. 

[wasteland]

All I know is that I shudder whenever I hear him sing "arrows fly" in the beginning of the song here. That rawness, that power. MY GOD. 

That line always sounded "walls exPLOOODE" to me 

[devieira73]

Anyone else thought the mix very different from that video of 6 o'clock? As a remember, the drums sounded much more proeminent on that one.

[wasteland]

Anyone else thought the mix very different from that video of 6 o'clock? As a remember, the drums sounded much more proeminent on that one.

The vocals also sounded much dryer and unprocessed!

[bosk1]

Don't you understand what a FORUM message board is for? Its so that people are allowed to pass their OWN comments, good or bad...

And YOU need to understand that THIS forum is not for baiting or attacking others, so please tone that down immediately.  There are better ways to express disagreement and have a discussion than what you posted.


Anyway, on topic:  As for the mix and audio sync issues, while it is true that the mix is the mix no matter what, the fact still remains that where audio is coming through an inferior format or medium, different frequencies tend to get squashed or not sound as good.  So despite that it is the same mix, it can still sound drastically different through YouTube than on a quality system.  I think most of us know this.  And as far as being out of sync, that also may be attributable to the video being uploaded to YouTube as well. 

[wasteland]

On other matters, Bosk, did you reset your postcount again? 

[bosk1]

Um...no.

[Sycsa]

I love how much sympathetic snare buzz you can hear at the beginning when Mike hits the toms. Everything sounds so raw and natural. They played their asses off! James sings the chorus with such emotion...I gotta say, I prefer it even to the studio version.

[countoftuscany42]

regarding the mix, which i don't really have any problems with; since Pull me under is one of the bonus tracks to this live album, is it possible they just didn't put as much effort into making that sound perfect as they do to the regular set? considering they have had a long time to work on this idk why they would, just a thought that popped into my head 

[BlobVanDam]

Another one: Is it just me, or does the song "stutter" when it transitions from the intro to the full band coming in?

I noticed that too and was hoping it was just Youtube stuttering the video. Hopefully these are just Youtube issues, because I'd be a bit annoyed to wait so long for a release only for it to have such problems that shouldn't exist.

regarding the mix, which i don't really have any problems with; since Pull me under is one of the bonus tracks to this live album, is it possible they just didn't put as much effort into making that sound perfect as they do to the regular set? considering they have had a long time to work on this idk why they would, just a thought that popped into my head 

It's possible, but given that it should be easy to use the same consistent production throughout, I don't see why it would be different.

[Perpetual Change]

I'm also hoping they're youtube issues too, Blob. But some people who saw the theatrical version also commenting on it seeming out of sync in some places. So I dunno.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm also hoping they're youtube issues too, Blob. But some people who saw the theatrical version also commenting on it seeming out of sync in some places. So I dunno.

Yeah, that does concern me too. It's not a deal breaker for me buying and enjoying it, but there's no reason there should be any sync issues. To have people notice it in both the theatrical screening and this video does suggest it's likely an issue on the DVD/Bluray version itself.
But at least I'm not so worried about the mix after hearing this video, so that's something.

[wasteland]

Um...no.

I see. I don't know what made me say that, I must have been really high on water last night. 

[GasparXR]

Um...no.

I see. I don't know what made me say that, I must have been really high on water last night. 

Bosk has always had 9 posts.

[hefdaddy42]

I'm also hoping they're youtube issues too, Blob. But some people who saw the theatrical version also commenting on it seeming out of sync in some places. So I dunno.

I saw it in a theater, and I don't remember anything like that.

[wasteland]

I'm also hoping they're youtube issues too, Blob. But some people who saw the theatrical version also commenting on it seeming out of sync in some places. So I dunno.

I saw it in a theater, and I don't remember anything like that.

It is also true that I didn't notice anything until it was pointed out to me, so maybe (hoping not) the same could have happened to you?

[BlobVanDam]

I'm also hoping they're youtube issues too, Blob. But some people who saw the theatrical version also commenting on it seeming out of sync in some places. So I dunno.

I saw it in a theater, and I don't remember anything like that.

It is also true that I didn't notice anything until it was pointed out to me, so maybe (hoping not) the same could have happened to you?

It was likewise for me. I think it's a minor enough issue that it's easily possible to not notice, and won't be that noticeable unless you're looking for it, if it exists on the final disc.

[Grizz]

Is it just me, or does JLB sound more nasally here than ever before?

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Is it just me, or does JLB sound more nasally here than ever before?

That's how his voice sounds nowadays, I really doubt it can get better than that.

But just to clarify, he sounds just fine.

[wasteland]

Is it just me, or does JLB sound more nasally here than ever before?

Nasal?

Try 2003, early 2004, early March 2006, late 2007, 2008 and 2009 bootlegs for nasal JLB 

[KevShmev]

I'll take JLB's occasional crazy live voice over JR's overplaying of KM's original keyboard parts any day of the week (which happens here AGAIN). 

[wasteland]

I'll take JLB's occasional crazy live voice over JR's overplaying of KM's original keyboard parts any day of the week (which happens here AGAIN). 

Oh, don't tell me you don't love the unauthorized arpeggios before the sparrow falling part 

[KevShmev]

I'll take JLB's occasional crazy live voice over JR's overplaying of KM's original keyboard parts any day of the week (which happens here AGAIN). 

Oh, don't tell me you don't love the unauthorized arpeggios before the sparrow falling part 

Wow, it's like you read my mind. But yeah, that was major on my part.  Why he feels the need to wank up little sections like that, when so many of their songs already afford him the opportunity to go off, I'll never understand.