DT12 Guitar Tunings

[chaotic_ripper]

For all you guitar players, do you guys know what the tunings are on all the new songs?  I remeber JP saying in an interview that he used the 7-string "all over" the record.

[Cable]

I want to say...

FAS 7 B standard
TEI 7 standard
TLG
EM 7 standard
TBP 7 standard
BTV
STR  6 standard
AFTR
IL  7 A standard

Paging Tabs or Bakerman (if they post here)

[BlobVanDam]

I want to say...

FAS 7 B standard
TEI 7 standard
TLG
EM 7 standard
TBP 7 standard
BTV
STR  6 standard
AFTR
IL  7 A standard

Paging Tabs or Bakerman (if they post here)

FAS goes down to a G on the guitar, so that might be a tuned down baritone?
I haven't really checked out the rest, but TEI sounds right at least.

[sfam2112]

Continuing from Cable's post (not sure about FAS)

TLG 6 standard
BTV 7 standard
AFTR 6 standard

[Cable]

I want to say...

FAS 7 B standard
TEI 7 standard
TLG
EM 7 standard
TBP 7 standard
BTV
STR  6 standard
AFTR
IL  7 A standard

Paging Tabs or Bakerman (if they post here)

FAS goes down to a G on the guitar, so that might be a tuned down baritone?
I haven't really checked out the rest, but TEI sounds right at least.

Yeah, you are right Blob. I honestly didn't listen hard with FAS, I assumed it was 7 string B. I cheated and looked at a PTab, and they had it as 7 String G standard. I'm not 100% if he would need the high E string if he were to give it a go live (didn't listen closely). He probably at least recorded the low parts with his baritone, as he needs a 27inch scale to go down to a G. Unless he borrowed someone's 8 string and went up, or his nephew's axe as Periphery does drop G# a lot on their sevens and dropped it a half step.

Regardless, it's his lowest tuning yet...

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, you are right Blob. I honestly didn't listen hard with FAS, I assumed it was 7 string B. I cheated and looked at a PTab, and they had it as 7 String G standard. I'm not 100% if he would need the high E string if he were to give it a go live (didn't listen closely). He probably at least recorded the low parts with his baritone, as he needs a 27inch scale to go down to a G. Unless he borrowed someone's 8 string, or his nephew's axe as Periphery does drop G# a lot on their sevens and dropped it a step.

Regardless, it's his lowest tuning yet...

All I know is that I hear a G, I don't know the technical guitar stuff!
I don't think any of the leads go that high, so I don't think he'd need the high E string, but I don't think they're planning on playing it live, so tunings/guitars might not have been an issue.

[Cable]

Yeah, you are right Blob. I honestly didn't listen hard with FAS, I assumed it was 7 string B. I cheated and looked at a PTab, and they had it as 7 String G standard. I'm not 100% if he would need the high E string if he were to give it a go live (didn't listen closely). He probably at least recorded the low parts with his baritone, as he needs a 27inch scale to go down to a G. Unless he borrowed someone's 8 string, or his nephew's axe as Periphery does drop G# a lot on their sevens and dropped it a step.

Regardless, it's his lowest tuning yet...

All I know is that I hear a G, I don't know the technical guitar stuff!
I don't think any of the leads go that high, so I don't think he'd need the high E string, but I don't think they're planning on playing it live, so tunings/guitars might not have been an issue.

My guess is he will do it on the baritone down a full step from his usual (Misunderstood, Blind Faith) in A; I'm not hearing anything he would need on the high E string either.

[ResultsMayVary]

FAS will not be played live. They have said they will play it as an intro trap to the shows.

[Bakerman]

FAS is mostly 7-string ADGCFAD. He just retuned the 7th string to Ab then G for those notes at the end.

[GasparXR]

FAS > GDGCFAD
TEI > BEADGBE
TLG > EADGBE
EM > BEADGBE
TBP > BEADGBE
BTV > BEADGBE
STR > EADGBE
AFTR > EADGBE
IT > ADGCFAD

Lots of 7-string on this album. JP confirmed the tuning for IT at some point to being a 7-string tuned down a whole step. I'm pretty certain about all of them except FAS, which is just a guess. It could be a baritone in GDGCEA.

[?]

Does anyone know if JM's bass is tuned down to G as well in FAS?

[Blazinarps]

Does anyone know the keyboard tunings for the album?

[Bakerman]

Does anyone know if JM's bass is tuned down to G as well in FAS?

There are low Ab & Gs at the end. I'd guess that like JP, he retuned for those notes, rest of track one step below standard (A-D-G-C-F-Bb).

[?]

Cool, I've never heard a bass tuned that low before, possibly with the exception of James' latest solo album that includes some songs with low G's and G#'s (at least on guitar).

[Dellers]

It's hard to know for sure since the bass isn't exactly high in the mix in FAS, but it sounds like he's actually playing in the same octave as Petrucci during those final notes. Tuning a bass that low isn't usable at all, it doesn't sound good and people would have a really hard time separating the notes. Anything lower than A on a bass is too low IMO. Some extended range basses go down to F# or even C#, which is completely ridiculous. A low C# is 17 Hz. Fair enough, with the overtones it becomes audible, but still. A low A is technically the lowest note I can hear anyway. Anything below 27-28 Hz is simply inaudible to me, and even then I have to turn up the volume to very high levels.

[Cable]

Some bands do have F# bass, as the 8 string guitar is becoming the thing now. The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza did use a low bass. I read on talkbass that .180 gauge string is needed, or something ridiculous like that.

But I agree 100% with you Dellers; A is low enough, and anything beyond it is excessive. I mean, I don't understand 8 string guitars; the F# is two steps away from a standard tuned 4 string bass's lowest note!

Anyway, I'm kind of glad there are only a couple of low notes on a song that probably won't be played, and A was as low as JP went in the past. But again, 8 strings are gaining traction...

[Bakerman]

It's hard to know for sure since the bass isn't exactly high in the mix in FAS, but it sounds like he's actually playing in the same octave as Petrucci during those final notes.

It definitely stays an octave lower. The center & LFE channels of the 5.1 mix are nice for hearing what the bass is doing. Here's a clip at normal pitch, then shifted up an octave, which I think makes lower notes easier to hear most of the time.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/songs/FASend.mp3
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/songs/FASend8va.mp3

[Dellers]

It definitely stays an octave lower. The center & LFE channels of the 5.1 mix are nice for hearing what the bass is doing. Here's a clip at normal pitch, then shifted up an octave, which I think makes lower notes easier to hear most of the time.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/songs/FASend.mp3
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/songs/FASend8va.mp3

That's actually impossible to hear in the mix, the bass is literally inaudible during the whole duration of this song. I checked the stereo mix with a spectrum analyzer, and except for a few drum hits etc. there was no information whatsoever down where these notes should be. Then again he shouldn't tune his bass that low, it just sounds awful anyway. That clip you made from the center/LFE channels contains the ugliest bass notes I have ever heard, but then again only the overtones can be heard since they've cut off the lowest frequencies in the mix.

Anyway, I'm kind of glad there are only a couple of low notes on a song that probably won't be played, and A was as low as JP went in the past. But again, 8 strings are gaining traction...

When a guitarist uses an 8 string guitar I play in the same octave when it comes to those 5 lowest notes. It sounds better, and a bass played using fingers sounds very different from a guitar played with a pick. A guitar track should always have a low cut filter anyway, which prevents the lowest frequencies from coming through and make a lot of muddy sound.

[?]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/songs/FASend.mp3

[Cable]

Anyway, I'm kind of glad there are only a couple of low notes on a song that probably won't be played, and A was as low as JP went in the past. But again, 8 strings are gaining traction...

When a guitarist uses an 8 string guitar I play in the same octave when it comes to those 5 lowest notes. It sounds better, and a bass played using fingers sounds very different from a guitar played with a pick. A guitar track should always have a low cut filter anyway, which prevents the lowest frequencies from coming though and make a lot of muddy sound.

I think I rather play with an octave/pitch shifter. I still like having that octave below sound, even if it's inaudible it still produces a similar effect to me.