Grammy talk

[mike099]

I pulled up the updated grammy list and was trying to figure out where DT may fit, assuming they are nominated.

General Field -  This field is out since the record, album and song of the year will probably go to a more mainstream group

Rock Field - Rock Performance
                   Metal Performance(Combined Hard Rock and Metal)
                   Rock Song
                    Rock Album

Alternative Music Album -  I no longer consider DT alternative, but would Haken be considered alternative.  Since there is no progressive field, would alternative be the same.

Thought it would be fun to kick this around a bit.

[countoftuscany42]

honestly i dont see them getting nominated for anything other than metal performance.
The grammys have a very loose definition of rock considering the crap that gets nominated *cough coldplay* ...
A few years back when there were more awards available id say maybe, but now alternative and indie rock is melting its way into rock anyway, despite having alternative as a genre

[ishak540m]

honestly i dont see them getting nominated for anything other than metal performance.
The grammys have a very loose definition of rock considering the crap that gets nominated *cough coldplay* ...
A few years back when there were more awards available id say maybe, but now alternative and indie rock is melting its way into rock anyway, despite having alternative as a genre

They have a loose definition of metal, too.  Foo Fighters? Really?

[Dark Castle]

honestly i dont see them getting nominated for anything other than metal performance.
The grammys have a very loose definition of rock considering the crap that gets nominated *cough coldplay* ...
A few years back when there were more awards available id say maybe, but now alternative and indie rock is melting its way into rock anyway, despite having alternative as a genre

They have a loose definition of metal, too.  Foo Fighters? Really?

Did you ever actually hear the song White Limo?

[ishak540m]

Did you ever actually hear the song White Limo?

Yep.

[Dark Castle]

It's got a pretty metal vibe, gives me a loose and dirty metal vibe specifically.

[theseoafs]

honestly i dont see them getting nominated for anything other than metal performance.
The grammys have a very loose definition of rock considering the crap that gets nominated *cough coldplay* ...
A few years back when there were more awards available id say maybe, but now alternative and indie rock is melting its way into rock anyway, despite having alternative as a genre

In what way is Coldplay not a rock band?

[slycordinator]

On the loose definition of metal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu5q_qq8l9Q&t=1m59s

[Zook]

Soundgarden is not metal in any way.

[slycordinator]

Hence why Cornell joked at winning "Best Metal Performance"

[puppyonacid]

honestly i dont see them getting nominated for anything other than metal performance.
The grammys have a very loose definition of rock considering the crap that gets nominated *cough coldplay* ...
A few years back when there were more awards available id say maybe, but now alternative and indie rock is melting its way into rock anyway, despite having alternative as a genre

In what way is Coldplay not a rock band?

In the same way that AC/DC aren't a pop band

[The Stray Seed]

Images and Words is not metal.

[puppyonacid]

Rock is.........saying "band X fuckin raaaaawwwwk" in a deep gravelly voice. If it fits then theyre a rock band.

That method is flawless.

Rocks: "Pink Flowd fuckin raaaawwwwkk" "Queen fuckin raaaawwwkkk" "Black Sabbath fuckin raaawwwwwkkk"

Does not Rock: "Justin Bieber fuckin raaawwwwwkkks" "Coldplay fuckin raaaawwwwwkkkk" "Li'L wayne fuckin rraawwwwaaakkkks"

Not sure if rocks: "U2 fuckin raaawwwwkkkkk"

[Prog Snob]

Hence why Cornell joked at winning "Best Metal Performance"

Jethro Tull anyone...

[mike099]

I just figured out by looking at the last few years of alternative nominees that progressive does not fit any of the categories.  I consider Haken progressive like DT used to be.  DT is now Rock/metal.  DT has gone in a different direction and lots of the long time fans do not like the direction they are taking. 

[ZirconBlue]

DT has gone in a different direction and lots of the long time fans do not like the direction they are taking.

People have been saying this since 1992.  Luckily for DT the lost "long time fans" seem to keep being replaced by new fans. 


Now, what any of this have to do with a possible Grammy nomination?

[dparrott]

They have a loose definition about what is hip-hop too.

[Prog Snob]

They have a loose definition about what is hip-hop too.

So then DT could be nominated for that...Canadian Rap

[Dark Castle]

Rock is.........saying "band X fuckin raaaaawwwwk" in a deep gravelly voice. If it fits then theyre a rock band.

That method is flawless.

Rocks: "Pink Flowd fuckin raaaawwwwkk" "Queen fuckin raaaawwwkkk" "Black Sabbath fuckin raaawwwwwkkk"

Does not Rock: "Justin Bieber fuckin raaawwwwwkkks" "Coldplay fuckin raaaawwwwwkkkk" "Li'L wayne fuckin rraawwwwaaakkkks"

Not sure if rocks: "U2 fuckin raaawwwwkkkkk"

This is so stupid. Coldplay are rock, whether you like them or not, rock isn't one set sound, it can be extremely light, or it can be heavier.

[The Stray Seed]

They have a loose definition about what is hip-hop too.

So then DT could be nominated for that...Canadian Rap

That would definitely be an epic WIN / FAIL (please cross out the option which does not apply).

[Filipe_metalhead]

I am convinced that Dream Theater is going to win a gramy.... this is such a great album...

[philmcson]

I am convinced that Dream Theater is going to win a gramy.... this is such a great album...

Just like Maiden's live album last year. But yeah, Halestorm.... 

[RoeDent]

Shame the Best Rock Instrumental category don't exist no more. Enigma Machine.

[hefdaddy42]

I will go out on a limb and predict they get nominated for at least one, and perhaps more.

[Mebert78]

Do they base the Grammy nominations on the CD version?  If they base it on the HD version of DT's new album, I think they have a shot -- but the CD version is not worthy of a Grammy nod due to the lesser sound quality, in my opinion.  But I'm not what they use for their Grammy nods. 

[TL]

I think it's absolutely insane that the Grammys still don't have a 'Best Metal Album' award. Seriously, would handing out one more award for what's really an entire range of genres during the non-televised bit really be all that difficult?

[Prog Snob]

I think it's absolutely insane that the Grammys still don't have a 'Best Metal Album' award. Seriously, would handing out one more award for what's really an entire range of genres during the non-televised bit really be all that difficult?

Or best lead guitarist that looks like a bear.

[WildeSilas]

I just figured out by looking at the last few years of alternative nominees that progressive does not fit any of the categories.  I consider Haken progressive like DT used to be.  DT is now Rock/metal.  DT has gone in a different direction and lots of the long time fans do not like the direction they are taking.

As is clearly demonstrated by them charting higher and higher on Billboard the last few albums. Also, name five rock/metal bands that play entire songs in 5/8 and 2/4-12/16. I'll wait.

[kirksnosehair]

Soundgarden is not metal in any way.

I agree with this, but remember, the Grammys are a mainstream award and thing of a song like "Spoon Man" or "Black Hole Sun" and plenty of people who don't know any better (like my wife or my mother, for example) would hear those songs and say "That's crazy music!  It's that heavy metal stuff"     

[Prog Snob]

Soundgarden is not metal in any way.

I agree with this, but remember, the Grammys are a mainstream award and thing of a song like "Spoon Man" or "Black Hole Sun" and plenty of people who don't know any better (like my wife or my mother, for example) would hear those songs and say "That's crazy music!  It's that heavy metal stuff"     

If Spoon Man is metal, then they would consider Rusty Cage death metal...   

[wolven74]

I will go out on a limb and predict they get nominated for at least one, and perhaps more.

I'm gonna agree that they should get nominated for TEI. But I doubt they'll win, if they do. Would be awesome if they won, but honestly I'm not holding my breath. It's a shame they didn't release TBP as the single. That thing would have a really good chance of winning.

[The Stray Seed]

I will go out on a limb and predict they get nominated for at least one, and perhaps more.

I'm gonna agree that they should get nominated for TEI. But I doubt they'll win, if they do. Would be awesome if they won, but honestly I'm not holding my breath. It's a shame they didn't release TBP as the single. That thing would have a really good chance of winning.

Don't quite agree on this one. Although I actually find TBP to be better than both TEI and AFTR for my taste, I think that the two songs they chose have a much greater potential as singles compared to TBP.

[slycordinator]

Hence why Cornell joked at winning "Best Metal Performance"

Jethro Tull anyone...

1) To be fair, Jethro Tull didn't win Best Metal Performance. At the time, the category was "Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental." And given the controversy along with the fact that Metal was becoming extremely popular at the time (and the Grammy awards are clearly a popularity contest), they split the categories the next year.
2) Arguably, Jethro Tull was a hard rock band.
3) I found Jethro Tull's response of taking out an ad that said "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument" was pretty amusing.

I think it's absolutely insane that the Grammys still don't have a 'Best Metal Album' award. Seriously, would handing out one more award for what's really an entire range of genres during the non-televised bit really be all that difficult?

You're assuming that the people making the awards care about the categories. All they care about is money. If they felt like adding a category would make them more money, they'd do it.

[Prog Snob]

Hence why Cornell joked at winning "Best Metal Performance"

Jethro Tull anyone...

1) To be fair, Jethro Tull didn't win Best Metal Performance. At the time, the category was "Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental." And given the controversy along with the fact that Metal was becoming extremely popular at the time (and the Grammy awards are clearly a popularity contest), they split the categories the next year.
2) Arguably, Jethro Tull was a hard rock band.
3) I found Jethro Tull's response of taking out an ad that said "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument" was pretty amusing.

It doesn't matter.  The category was obviously a joke to the Grammy's at the time.  The band wasn't even expecting to win because they themselves didn't feel they belonged in the category.  They are not a hard rock band at all. 

[slycordinator]

It doesn't matter.  The category was obviously a joke to the Grammy's at the time.  The band wasn't even expecting to win because they themselves didn't feel they belonged in the category.  They are not a hard rock band at all.

The band wasn't expecting to win because they knew that Metallica was the hot new talent that was extremely popular; I certainly don't remember them saying they shouldn't have been nominated.