Rush influence in DT songs

[matte.braso]

Everyone knows that, but sometime I discover in a Rush song that certain parts are pretty the same, not only a simple inspiration. Here's some interesting examples:

Natural Science 3.18 (min.) - The Great Debate
Between the wheels 1.29 - Breaking All Illusions
Red Barchetta 2.30 - Innocence Faded
The Spirit of Radio (intro)- The Best of Times

anyone knows other similarities in other songs?

[KevShmev]

The drum fills during the beginning of Trial of Tears are nearly identical to the ones in Xanadu's intro.

[Setlist Scotty]

Not necessarily any specific part, but I've always considered Ytsejam to be DT's version of YYZ.

[a51502112]

The Count of Tuscany 3:19 is pretty much lifted from A Farewell to Kings 3:52 

[Sycsa]

A drum fill I noticed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0HBgPeM_g

[KevShmev]

Not necessarily any specific part, but I've always considered Ytsejam to be DT's version of YYZ.

I've heard that said a lot over the years, but while I agree in structure, especially the way a section has the instruments trading off solos, I have never thought Ytse Jam sounded like YYZ when it comes to the riffs, melodies, etc.

The Count of Tuscany 3:19 is pretty much lifted from A Farewell to Kings 3:52

That is a bit of a stretch, especially since those are pretty basic hard rock riffs.

[nicmos]

The drum fills during the beginning of Trial of Tears are nearly identical to the ones in Xanadu's intro.

Live version of ToT on Chaos in Motion (IIRC) also has the repeating epic guitar motif also from Xanadu.

[King Postwhore]

I think it's more of a certain disdained chords that you hear Alex play all the time and you know JP was influenced or a drum fill on the toms the MP did that was reminiscent to a Neil fill.  You are always influenced by the music of your youth.

[Lucidity]

The chords in the beginning of Regression always remind me of the very beginning of the Fountain of Lamneth.

[JRuivo]

Natural Science 3.18 (min.) - The Great Debate

I always thought Natural Science's riff was more like the ones on Sacrificed Sons and ITPOE pt. 1

[matte.braso]

The chords in the beginning of Regression always remind me of the very beginning of the Fountain of Lamneth.

definitely this! or more precisely the beginning of Finally Free (quite same chords in D key)

[Buddyhunter1]

What about all of The Best Of Times?

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

What about all of The Best Of Times?

The Spirit of Radio (intro)- The Best of Times

[showdonttell]

The chords in the beginning of Regression always remind me of the very beginning of the Fountain of Lamneth.

Yes, this!

[PROGdrummer]

Ok, i seriously do not understand why everyone always compares Spirit of Radio to the Best of Times. I honestly dont hear similarities what so ever. Am i the only one who just doesnt see the connection? I mean really. If you want to hear a song that sounds like Spirit, listen to Astral Body by Between the Buried and Me. Thats got Spirit of Radio written all over it. TBOT sounds pretty original to me

[robwebster]

It's the moment where the rock kicks in. Starts off languid, and then there's the widdly electric guitar thing that fades in, (itself, with its major key and all the notes packed in, fairly evocative of TSoR,) followed by the big chords underneath it. The vibe dissipates a tad when the vocals come in and it's almost entirely absent by the chorus, it's just that that moment reeks of it. DT don't do major keys all that often anyway, and the style, pace and tone of the guitar has a huge Radio vibe.

Don't doubt that Astral Body has it moreso, but just cos one song sounds a lot like The Spirit of Radio doesn't mean everything else doesn't.

[Mosh]

I don't buy the Regression/Fountain Of Lamneth comparison. I mean, yea they both start with a D major chord, but so do a million other songs. I highly doubt that this is an example of DT being influenced by Rush.

[ReaperKK]

The drum fills during the beginning of Trial of Tears are nearly identical to the ones in Xanadu's intro.

The first time I heard Xanadu (checked out rush much later after I was into DT) and I couldn't believe it.

[hefdaddy42]

Ok, i seriously do not understand why everyone always compares Spirit of Radio to the Best of Times. I honestly dont hear similarities what so ever. Am i the only one who just doesnt see the connection?

Yeah, maybe so.  It's been discussed ever since we first heard it.  It's plain as day.

[a51502112]

The Count of Tuscany 3:19 is pretty much lifted from A Farewell to Kings 3:52

That is a bit of a stretch, especially since those are pretty basic hard rock riffs.
[/quote]

Did you listen and compare? It's the same effin' thing. Hardly a stock riff, especially with the odd time.

[KevShmev]

I did (even though I know A Farewell to Kings like the back of my hand).  The riffs are kind of similar, but not the same effin' thing. 

[a51502112]

OK, you're right, I bow down to you.

[KevShmev]

Jeez, no need to get snarky just because we disagree.

[matte.braso]

now every time I listen to Between the Wheels, when it comes the chorus, I start singing 'Seeeeearchiiing ooout, reeeeaching iiiin' it would be funny replace in that point Geddy's voice with James' one or viceversa

[Octawakeimages]

I've always felt that the upbeat sections of "Surrounded" are very similar to "The Camera Eye" upbeat sections.

Surrounded - 2:00
The Camera Eye - 3:28

[Sketchy]

The drum fills during the beginning of Trial of Tears are nearly identical to the ones in Xanadu's intro.

The first time I heard Xanadu (checked out rush much later after I was into DT) and I couldn't believe it.

I notice that in the Schmedley Wilcox, JP plays the Xanadu opening riff during the opening of Trial Of Tears.

[Marion Crane]

Trial of Tears = Mr Roboto

[Laich21DT]

Uhh, that's a Styx song.

[theseoafs]

Uhh, that's a Styx song.

And those two songs have nothing in common anyway.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

The hell?

[KevShmev]

I think it is safe to say that while the drum fills during Trial of Tears are very Rush-like (Xanadu), the keys are very reminiscent of Styx's Mr. Roboto.

[Mosh]

The keyboards on Trial Of Tears always vaguely reminded me of some of the keys Rush used in the 80's. Mostly stuff on Mystic Rhythms, to be specific.

[robwebster]

I think it is safe to say that while the drum fills during Trial of Tears are very Rush-like (Xanadu), the keys are very reminiscent of Styx's Mr. Roboto.

Probably not a coincidence - they quoted both songs on Once in a LIVEtime.

[Laich21DT]

What about Status Seeker? I think there's a little resemblance there. I remember in Lifting Shadows, there's mention of DT and Charlie especially catching flak for ripping off Rush, although I certainly don't think they ripped them off in the song.

[gm5k]

Whenever I hear the opening of TCOT I think of the chorus on Limelight and vise versa.  Different tempo and arrangement of chords of course.  It's just that whole repeating the B to B Flat(letting them both ring out) over G# Minor thing that the guitar does.    Has similar feel because of that, creating that pretty sounding dissonance.  JP does that all the time with his riffs, and maybe he got it from Alex.

Oh yea, JP uses the same kind of chords(same key again too) on the intro of Another Day as well.  Really common technique by a lot of guitarists, but like I said can't help but think of one of those first two when the other plays