Score on Blu-Ray?

Started by darkshade, March 04, 2013, 10:21:42 AM

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darkshade

Is this happening?

I've been replacing all my DT albums, studio and live (which is most of the discography because I didn't take care of my discs when I was still a teenager.) I've got all the studio albums back, and I'm working on the live albums now, and along with the CDs, I'm going to get the Blue-ray Budokan instead of the DVD (which I used to own), but I'm holding off on getting the Score DVD because I don't know if the band has plans on releasing it as a Blu-Ray (but I'm still getting the CDs.) So....... anyone know???

Mindflux

Maybe some day?  Budokan, I believe wasn't even cleaned up or anything when transferred to Blu-Ray.

BlobVanDam

I haven't heard of any plans for it soon, but it wouldn't be hard for them to do once they decide to, as it was shot/edited in HD.

Perpetual Change

Quote from: Mindflux on March 04, 2013, 10:23:20 AM
Maybe some day?  Budokan, I believe wasn't even cleaned up or anything when transferred to Blu-Ray.

Really? You mean it was just a direct transfer over to Bluray? Why would they even bother doing the transfer, then?

TheGreatPretender

Budokan still looks significantly better on Blu-Ray than on DVD. It doesn't look like crisp and perfect HD, but there's still a major improvement.

Even if it wasn't all remastered, I'd still love to have Score the same way.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Perpetual Change on March 04, 2013, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on March 04, 2013, 10:23:20 AM
Maybe some day?  Budokan, I believe wasn't even cleaned up or anything when transferred to Blu-Ray.

Really? You mean it was just a direct transfer over to Bluray? Why would they even bother doing the transfer, then?

Budokan was shot in HD, so you're still gaining a lot from the Bluray release. I recall hearing there were issues with interlacing though. I don't have it myself.

darkshade

Wait, Budokan BR looks the same? I've seen reviews that say the picture is so much better.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: darkshade on March 04, 2013, 10:34:29 AM
Wait, Budokan BR looks the same? I've seen reviews that say the picture is so much better.

It is better.

me7

the Budokan Bluray is much, much better than the DVD. The picture quality just isn't 10/10. It has some unnecessary interlacing but no annoying compression artefacts.
Especially the Score DVD looks appalling due to bad compression, a Bluray would look significantly better.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: me7 on March 04, 2013, 11:42:14 AM
Especially the Score DVD looks appalling due to bad compression, a Bluray would look significantly better.

Once I saw DT in HD, non HD TD is no DT to me.

Shadow2222

I also agree that Budokan looks much, MUCH better on Bluray. It is a significant improvement.

Fiery Winds

The Budokan Blu-Ray is 1080i, not 1080p, so it could have been better, but it's still miles above the DVD in terms of picture and audio quality. 

DVD:
A: 4/5
V: 3/5

Blu-Ray:
A: 5/5
V: 4.5/5

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 04, 2013, 11:54:04 AM
Once I saw DT in HD, non HD DT is no DT to me.
What a masterpiece of abbreviation poetry.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 04, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 04, 2013, 11:54:04 AM
Once I saw DT in HD, non HD DT is no DT to me.
What a masterpiece of abbreviation poetry.

But did he hear DT in DTS or LPCM?

Zydar


TheGreatPretender


Fiery Winds

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2013, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 04, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 04, 2013, 11:54:04 AM
Once I saw DT in HD, non HD DT is no DT to me.
What a masterpiece of abbreviation poetry.

But did he hear DT in DTS or LPCM?

Trick question, doesn't matter.  :P

DarkLord_Lalinc

Quote from: Fiery Winds on March 04, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
The Budokan Blu-Ray is 1080i, not 1080p, so it could have been better, but it's still miles above the DVD in terms of picture and audio quality. 

DVD:
A: 4/5
V: 3/5

Blu-Ray:
A: 5/5
V: 4.5/5


You give 3/5 to the DVD version of Budokan? I think it's the DT DVD with the best video quality (even better than Score, yes) because it has a really nice film quality to it. I don't know if both Score and Budokan were recorded in different FPS, but there's something about Budokan that draws me in every time.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 05, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
You give 3/5 to the DVD version of Budokan? I think it's the DT DVD with the best video quality (even better than Score, yes) because it has a really nice film quality to it. I don't know if both Score and Budokan were recorded in different FPS, but there's something about Budokan that draws me in every time.

I think what really shined about Budokan isn't necessarily the video quality (although that was fine), but rather the actual cinematography. The camera people really knew how go get those great two-shots, with one member in the foreground and one in the background, or just give really good, really dramatic angles. That's what draws me in.

DarkLord_Lalinc

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 05, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 05, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
You give 3/5 to the DVD version of Budokan? I think it's the DT DVD with the best video quality (even better than Score, yes) because it has a really nice film quality to it. I don't know if both Score and Budokan were recorded in different FPS, but there's something about Budokan that draws me in every time.

I think what really shined about Budokan isn't necessarily the video quality (although that was fine), but rather the actual cinematography. The camera people really knew how go get those great two-shots, with one member in the foreground and one in the background, or just give really good, really dramatic angles. That's what draws me in.

I agree with you wholeheartedly with that one. The cinematography in Budokan was better than in Score, it's much more dramatic and the camera moments are incredibly well chosen. In fact, I remember watching Score for the first time (amazing DVD of course), but I couldn't put my finger in why I liked Budokan more video-wise (and even audio-wise, considering I prefer the mix done for that and the 8VM orchestra which was poorly mixed IMO).

Fiery Winds

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 05, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: Fiery Winds on March 04, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
The Budokan Blu-Ray is 1080i, not 1080p, so it could have been better, but it's still miles above the DVD in terms of picture and audio quality. 

DVD:
A: 4/5
V: 3/5

Blu-Ray:
A: 5/5
V: 4.5/5


You give 3/5 to the DVD version of Budokan? I think it's the DT DVD with the best video quality (even better than Score, yes) because it has a really nice film quality to it. I don't know if both Score and Budokan were recorded in different FPS, but there's something about Budokan that draws me in every time.

What TGP said.  The interlacing is even more so prevalent in the DVD version, and it doesn't upscale well.  I do agree that it has the best cinematography, though that will probably change if the trailer for Luna Park is any indication. 

cramx3

The picture on the budokan DVD was already pretty good but the blu ray is still better. The picture on score was not as good so I would expect a much bigger and better difference if they released it on blu ray.

me7

IMO, all major DT concert DVDs look bad. Three hours of content with fast cut and light flashes are just too much for MPEG2 at DVD bitrates. Especially light flashes produce horrible macroblocks.
Score is the worst of the bunch because of the uncompressed stereo audio track. It takes up almost 2 GB of precious space, forcing more compression unto the video.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: me7 on March 06, 2013, 05:13:09 AM
IMO, all major DT concert DVDs look bad. Three hours of content with fast cut and light flashes are just too much for MPEG2 at DVD bitrates. Especially light flashes produce horrible macroblocks.
Score is the worst of the bunch because of the uncompressed stereo audio track. It takes up almost 2 GB of precious space, forcing more compression unto the video.

I think they all look great. I mean, I haven't seen concert DVDs of every band ever, but DT's concerts look much better than what I've seen from DVDs of Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister or Megadeth. And this includes concerts that were done in mid to late 2000s as well.

Full Speed

Just ordered Budokan on Blu-Ray. I've had the DVD since release but this thread convinced me to give the Blu-Ray a try. Plus I have one of the DVD copies where the surround sound flips back to stereo part way through New Millenium (which I assume isn't an issue anymore on the Blu-Ray).