Is it just me or is train of thought underrated?

Started by Polis, December 05, 2012, 09:29:50 PM

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Polis

Up there with images and awake for me... only flaws are honor thy father and parts of as I am. The rest is dark, atmospheric, heavy, and super proggy.

BlobVanDam

I'd probably rank it about 5th, as it doesn't touch my top DT albums of SDOIT/SFAM/IaW/FII (yes, I love FII), but I would definitely call it underrated, at least here.

I love As I Am as a great straight ahead metal track, ITNOG is in my top 5, and Vacant is hugely underrated as a dark and emotional ballad, but the rest I sort of have to be in the mood for, due to the more intentional one dimensional nature of it.
But the only song on the album I don't like all that much is Endless Sacrifice, and I don't even dislike it, so I'd call it a pretty consistent album.

54_diplomats

Really solid album but I have to be in the mood for it. Like Blob said it's mostly one dimensional, not that it's a bad thing just that I like some variety. I don't particularly dislike any of the songs on that album and ITNOG is top 15.

LunarForce

I agree, i was listening to it today high volume good headphones and was thinking why don't i listen to this more. It's awesome.

Olexandr

It's awesome, and the reason to like it at least that's a last album where Mike's part sounds 'fresh' and some creativity is still there.

Ħ

It has As I Am, which is easily a top DT song for me. Also, ES and HTF are killer. Good album.

Jaffa

My second or third favorite DT album, so yes, I'd say it's underrated. 

Zydar

It's in the lower half of my album ranking, but that's mostly because the upper half is so incredible (I&W, SFAM, 6DOIT, ADTOE). Train Of Thought is a good album, but I rarely listen to it anymore aside from ITNOG which is a Top 10 DT song for me.

Cyclopssss

I remember playing the hell out of this when it came out, really excellent musicianship.

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I'd rank TOT somewhere in the middle or the lower half of the DT discography. The songwriting is solid, but as said, the album suffers from a lack of variety.

Cyclopssss


The Presence of Frenemies

It was the album that really got me into DT, but as many above have stated, it's a bit light on replay value (by extremely high DT standards).

Lolzeez

Quote from: Zydar on December 05, 2012, 11:29:17 PM
It's in the lower half of my album ranking, but that's mostly because the upper half is so incredible (I&W, SFAM, 6DOIT, ADTOE). Train Of Thought is a good album, but I rarely listen to it anymore aside from ES which is a Top 10 DT song for me.
FTFM

YtseJamittaja

Maybe the most underrated DT album ever made. Endless Sacrifice is on my top 5 list and the album hasn't any bad song at all.
And as well:
Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on December 06, 2012, 01:01:31 AM
It was the album that really got me into DT.

Scorpion

Yeah, definitely. I love the album, the darker atmosphere and the songwriting (HTF being the only exception). ITNOG was the first DT song I heard and it remains at Top 10 song for me to this day.

wolfking


RuRoRul

Quote from: wolfking on December 06, 2012, 03:26:39 AM
Best DT album.
Agreed.

Hence probably the most underrated, and I'd say This Dying Soul and Honor Thy Father are the most underrated DT songs. Never got why Honor Thy Father wasn't too popular around here. To be honest it kind of reminds me of Awake.

Elite

Quote from: Polis on December 05, 2012, 09:29:50 PM
Up there with images and awake for me... only flaws are honor thy father and parts of as I am. The rest is dark, atmospheric, heavy, and super proggy.

See, that's way too much for it to be a top tier DT album. Also, I think almost every song is flawed in one way or another and it is therefore in my bottom 3 DT albums.
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Nekov

It's a matter of opinion. I place it second to last in my list

Pols Voice

It's a really cool album, and way better than the three that followed it. Honor Thy Father is a drag, though.

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: Pols Voice on December 06, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
It's a really cool album, and way better than the three that followed it. Honor Thy Father is a drag, though.
Precisely that.

wasteland

I've never been a big fan of Train Of Though. It's currently my second or third to least favourite Dream Theater album. There is nothing really wrong with the individual songs (except for TDS), but I find they work best if played isolated, somewhere in a live set. In one single album they become monotone and overwhelming. As most already said, TOT is by far the most one dimensional album DT has ever put out. Sure, it was on purpose, but still it's not generally my favourite thing to see in an album.

PROGdrummer

Underrated? I'd rather think that is album is overrated.  Yeah, it's a great album, but I don't think it's one of their greatest works. It's a collection of awesome songs, but to me, that's pretty much all it is. It's pretty good, but definitely not as good as people make it out to be.

my opinion

Dreamer81

Quote from: Pols Voice on December 06, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
It's a really cool album, and way better than the three that followed it. Honor Thy Father is a drag, though.

This and WDADU, but i like it less than all the others (yes, even FII is better)

manticore999

It's at the bottom end of the list for me.  Never really cared for it.

Dublagent66

Quote from: Polis on December 05, 2012, 09:29:50 PM
Up there with images and awake for me... only flaws are honor thy father and parts of as I am. The rest is dark, atmospheric, heavy, and super proggy.

I haven't heard it in a while but HTF is one of the best reasons to listen to it.  Not really up there with I&W or Awake so I'd say it's about middle of the road for me.

El JoNNo

To me it is an album brought down by too many bad spot in the songs.

Implode

Not one of my favorite albums, but definitely one of their most constant. And this is relevant, but over the years, I've really grown tired of INTOG. At first I thought it was as amazing as most people say, but now it mostly feels exhausting. Anyone else feel the same?

TAC

Quote from: wasteland on December 06, 2012, 05:44:54 AM
I've never been a big fan of Train Of Though. It's currently my second or third to least favourite Dream Theater album. There is nothing really wrong with the individual songs (except for TDS), but I find they work best if played isolated, somewhere in a live set. In one single album they become monotone and overwhelming. As most already said, TOT is by far the most one dimensional album DT has ever put out. Sure, it was on purpose, but still it's not generally my favourite thing to see in an album.
I would tend to agree, excpet that I love TDS!
These songs sound fantastic on LaB, and in other live shows, where they are really brought to life.
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Onno

Great album, but TDS and HTF are both not among my favourite DT songs.

Podaar

Not by me! I still love it...AND I've never understood the distaste (around here) for Honor Thy Father. Then again, I had a shitty step-father.

yorost

My favourite album of Dream Theater's.  Awake is awfully damn close to it, though.  Absolutely hated both albums when I first got them.

Lucidity

Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 05, 2012, 09:36:00 PM
I'd probably rank it about 5th, as it doesn't touch my top DT albums of SDOIT/SFAM/IaW/FII (yes, I love FII), but I would definitely call it underrated, at least here.

I love As I Am as a great straight ahead metal track, ITNOG is in my top 5, and Vacant is hugely underrated as a dark and emotional ballad, but the rest I sort of have to be in the mood for, due to the more intentional one dimensional nature of it.
But the only song on the album I don't like all that much is Endless Sacrifice, and I don't even dislike it, so I'd call it a pretty consistent album.

This is quite literally my thoughts *exactly* on ToT. I'm not much of a metalhead, but I love As I Am for it's atmosphere, use of meters, and for the solo. Vacant gives me chills every time I listen to it, and I love the cello. ITNoG is just the best. Even Honor Thy father, a song that seems like something I'd despise, hits the spot for me. Endless Sacrifice is my least favorite track, but I still like it.

I wouldn't call ToT overrated though, in my experience I've seen it get a lot of praise here.

wolfking

Quote from: RuRoRul on December 06, 2012, 03:31:27 AM
Quote from: wolfking on December 06, 2012, 03:26:39 AM
Best DT album.
Agreed.

Hence probably the most underrated, and I'd say This Dying Soul and Honor Thy Father are the most underrated DT songs. Never got why Honor Thy Father wasn't too popular around here. To be honest it kind of reminds me of Awake.

Agree.

Zook

Definitely gets too much hate. A great driving album. 9/10