Just listened to A Change of Seasons for the first time.

[jjrock88]

amazing track

[Android_D]

It's good, but I'd have to say I'm with the crowd that thinks it's overrated.
But then again, SFAM is one of my least favorite DT albums, so I suppose my opinions just suck.

[WildeSilas]

I also just finally got ACOS - heard it right after it came out and have the live/broken up versions of it, but never the proper EP. Really great stuff, but it just made me wish they had kept Derek in the band. I love Jordan to death, but Derek is just IMO a far more interesting player. Very signature, memorable parts that stray far from the run-of-the-mill prog keyboard stuff. I think the poor guy got screwed by band politics more than because he "didn't fit." His work here on on FII could have taken DT into a truly more progressive direction - in the sense of bringing a different element to the music that would have constantly surprised fans. It feels like from ToT up through BCSL, Jordan's in a bit of a rut, with the exception of a few very memorable moments. Derek still feels really fresh every time I hear him on anywhere else.

[?]

I bought ACOS as my first DT release along with BC&SL. Not a great starting point, I know, but the store didn't have any other DT CDs! To be honest I didn't like ACOS that much on the first few listens but after some time I realized its greatness and now it's one of my favorite DT songs.

[ValentinBk]

I didnt really "get" the song the first time I was listening it(was actually in the middle of a workout),  but I loved the intro and the part I know now as "Another World". Took me actually about 5 listens to get that every moment in that song is friggin awesome!

[Jaffa]

It wasn't that it was a lot to absorb, I think it was more of a case where it had been SO built up and it was kind of "Meh, is THAT what the fuss is all about?!" for me.  I won't give up, but for right now I still think Octavarium tops it.

I know the feeling.

I mean, not about ACoS, which I actually heard before coming to the DTF, but.  In general.  It sucks having hype ruin something. 

[54_diplomats]

Ok so I've listened to this song about 8 more times since my first listen and I have to say Crimson Sunset may very well be the best thing I've listened to in DT. I must also applaud Sherinians performance on this song, simply fantastic.

[senecadawg2]

Best part of the song?
Another World... no doubt

Also, you saved ACOS and SFAM for last, knowing that they were the best? That's some serious self-control.

[hefdaddy42]

Best part of the song?
Another World... no doubt

Doubt.

I think it's Crimson Sunset.  But Another World is still awesome.

But hey, the whole thing is great.  All killer, no filler.

[The Letter M]

2112 : ACOS :: Hemispheres : 8VM

Also, for those interested, I will be running a DT Multi-Movement Songs Survivor in the next couple weeks, and ACOS will be a part of that Survivor (which also includes "The Killing Hand", "Trial Of Tears", "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", "Octavarium" and "In The Presence Of Enemies").

-Marc.

[Cedar redaC]

The whole songs or the movements?

[The Letter M]

The whole songs or the movements?

Each song will be it's own sub-survivor, pitting it's movements against each other, then the Top Movement from each song go up against each other in the Finals.

-Marc.

[Cedar redaC]

The whole songs or the movements?

Each song will be it's own sub-survivor, pitting it's movements against each other, then the Top Movement from each song go up against each other in the Finals.

-Marc.

Cool. Thanks man!

[DebraKadabra]

It wasn't that it was a lot to absorb, I think it was more of a case where it had been SO built up and it was kind of "Meh, is THAT what the fuss is all about?!" for me.  I won't give up, but for right now I still think Octavarium tops it.

I know the feeling.

I mean, not about ACoS, which I actually heard before coming to the DTF, but.  In general.  It sucks having hype ruin something.

I might have to let it grow on me but yeah - HUGE disappointment after the colossal build-up it's gotten in the fanbase.

[GasparXR]

2112 : ACOS :: Hemispheres : 8VM

Also, for those interested, I will be running a DT Multi-Movement Songs Survivor in the next couple weeks, and ACOS will be a part of that Survivor (which also includes "The Killing Hand", "Trial Of Tears", "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", "Octavarium" and "In The Presence Of Enemies").

-Marc.

You'll also have to include the AA suite.

[The Letter M]

2112 : ACOS :: Hemispheres : 8VM

Also, for those interested, I will be running a DT Multi-Movement Songs Survivor in the next couple weeks, and ACOS will be a part of that Survivor (which also includes "The Killing Hand", "Trial Of Tears", "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", "Octavarium" and "In The Presence Of Enemies").

-Marc.

You'll also have to include the AA suite.

Read the thread about the Twelve-Step Suite (ugh, I hate reading "AA Suite" or "AA Saga" ), I'll be doing a separate Survivor for those songs and movements, especially as the whole suite was spread across 5 albums, I felt the need to separate those songs from the Multi-Movement Songs Survivor.

-Marc.

[GasparXR]

2112 : ACOS :: Hemispheres : 8VM

Also, for those interested, I will be running a DT Multi-Movement Songs Survivor in the next couple weeks, and ACOS will be a part of that Survivor (which also includes "The Killing Hand", "Trial Of Tears", "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", "Octavarium" and "In The Presence Of Enemies").

-Marc.

You'll also have to include the AA suite.

Read the thread about the Twelve-Step Suite (ugh, I hate reading "AA Suite" or "AA Saga" ), I'll be doing a separate Survivor for those songs and movements, especially as the whole suite was spread across 5 albums, I felt the need to separate those songs from the Multi-Movement Songs Survivor.

-Marc.

Ah, makes sense. It does contain the most movements out of any song/suite DT has done. 8V only has 5, ACOS has 7, and 6DOIT has 8 (or 9 if you seperate GF from LT).

[manticore999]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

[hefdaddy42]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

  There is only one studio version.  Are you listening to a live version?

[Pols Voice]

Uh, James does a fantastic job on ACOS. Whatchu talkin' 'bout.

[theseoafs]

ACOS has a few of James' shining moments, for sure.

[The Letter M]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

  There is only one studio version.  Are you listening to a live version?

Yeah, which version of ACOS did you buy? The EP? Or the track from Live Scenes From New York? Or perhaps you have another release from YtseJam Records?

-Marc.

[MoraWintersoul]

Are you listening to a live version?

And every live version I've heard him doing that sounds pretty fantastic, even.

[manticore999]

I have the EP.  I'm in the minority, for sure, but I just cringe when he hits (or tries to) the high notes.  He reverts to screaming which is just like nails on a chalkboard to me.  To each his own, I guess.

[The Letter M]

I have the EP.  I'm in the minority, for sure, but I just cringe when he hits (or tries to) the high notes.  He reverts to screaming which is just like nails on a chalkboard to me.  To each his own, I guess.

Well, that was pretty much his style back then - screaming the high notes and stretching his range. I think he's mellowed out a bit more now, but back then, the sky was the limit. Personally, I love early DT for that reason!

-Marc.

[Cedar redaC]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

I think that the vocals are fine, but the snare sound on the other hand....

[senecadawg2]

ACOS has a few of James' shining moments, for sure.

No doubt... 'I won't let them push me awaaaaayyy!!!"

[hefdaddy42]

I'm in the minority, for sure

Yeah, totally.

[King Postwhore]

I heard it too for the first time.








In 1995.  But I'm glad you found it!

[?]

I have the EP.  I'm in the minority, for sure, but I just cringe when he hits (or tries to) the high notes.  He reverts to screaming which is just like nails on a chalkboard to me.  To each his own, I guess.

Maybe it's because the EP was recorded 4 or 5 months after James' food poisoning? But even considering that, I think he did a great job on the song.

[Ruba]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

I think that the vocals are fine, but the snare sound on the other hand....

I think ACOS is the first DT release with a good snare sound (Awake's is too thin).

I love the vocals, but still I feel, that James is singing with 80% of his vocal power (excluding Another World). But I understand, because he wasn't on top form because of the food poisoning.

[Cedar redaC]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

I think that the vocals are fine, but the snare sound on the other hand....

I think ACOS is the first DT release with a good snare sound (Awake's is too thin).

I love the vocals, but still I feel, that James is singing with 80% of his vocal power (excluding Another World). But I understand, because he wasn't on top form because of the food poisoning.

I don't know, to me, it sounds like a high pitched tom that was clipping the mike, still, to each their own.

[KevShmev]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

[Ħ]

ROFL

[manticore999]

Lyrically and musically it's ok, but James' vocals are too hard to take on this. I don't think I've ever made it through the whole song without having to hit the 'skip' button.  I'm wondering if I'm listening to the same version everyone else is?

'cmon, seriously?  You like the screaming?  Really?  He can't hit a note, so he screams, and it's good? If you don't have the lyric sheet in front of you you have no idea what he's singing ... but that's good!?  You know, when he sings in his range he's not bad.  Not really good, but not bad.  When he has to go out of his range, which was common on a lot of the albums, he's absolutely horrible. I do like a lot of DT's stuff, and ADTOE is awesome, but there's a lot that makes me embarrased for them. ACOS is one of the embarrassing ones, as far as I'm concerned.