More DVD News -- Over the Edge Productions

[hefdaddy42]

Well, it's what they played for Night 1 of 2, both of which are being filmed.  We aren't sure if all songs from both nights will be included on the DVD.

[robwebster]

Is there a time frame for this release? I mean, realistically how long do we expect before this DVD/Blu-ray is released? Is Christmas a reasonable bet?

Score was filmed April 1st, released in September of the same year.
Live at Budokan was filmed April 26th, released October of the same year.

Going by that kind of timeline, we could expect this one to hit somewhen around January - but given that it's been five years since Score and technology's improved, and given the label might try to speed things up a little to hit the Christmas market, December's not entirely unfeasible. November, at a stretch, if they're very busy over the autumn, but I'd plan around January.

[Dream Team]

To be honest I'm really disappointed that WIMH and TTTSTA, easily the weakest sections of the Six Degrees suite, are going to appear on another DVD. Hopefully Set 2 has some real gems to make up for it.

[ResultsMayVary]

Is there a time frame for this release? I mean, realistically how long do we expect before this DVD/Blu-ray is released? Is Christmas a reasonable bet?

Score was filmed April 1st, released in September of the same year.
Live at Budokan was filmed April 26th, released October of the same year.

Going by that kind of timeline, we could expect this one to hit somewhen around January - but given that it's been five years since Score and technology's improved, and given the label might try to speed things up a little to hit the Christmas market, December's not entirely unfeasible. November, at a stretch, if they're very busy over the autumn, but I'd plan around January.

Very much this. I ultimately expect a Christmas release date, because I believe the label will want to hit the Christmas markets with the DVD.

[Perpetual Change]

Don't count on it. Nothing gets released during the holidays except the biggest of the big-- the Eminems and Justin Biebers. A band like DT aren't going to gain sales because of the holiday. They'd lose them, as the average fan who would buy the DVD might get caught up with the holiday hustle and bustle.

It's nice wishful thinking, though 

[hefdaddy42]

I agree.  I wouldn't expect anything before January or February.

[MoraWintersoul]

I just need to say, if all songs played don't get released (if they want to cut out the repeats, it's fine) ON THAT PARTICULAR DVD, VIDEO INCLUDED I'm going to have someone's head.

[bosk1]

I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.

[GasparXR]

I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.

My thoughts exactly.

[PetFish]

Why why why why why why why why War Inside My Head and Test that Stumped AGAIN?  Seven minutes that could be put towards something they rarely play live let alone have a nice official video of it.  Why they don't play Hell's Kitchen EVER is beyond me.   

Anyway, the few vids I've seen and (partially) heard the crowd sounds good so that make me happy for sure.   

[Dr. DTVT]

I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.

You mean like A Dramatic Turn of Events?

[BlobVanDam]

After looking over the full setlist for both shows, I'm finding it hard to get excited about this DVD at the moment, aside from These Walls, which I was really hoping would finally get a live release, and what should be an interesting version of TDEN, which I wasn't expecting in the setlist so that's a welcome surprise.
ADTOE doesn't interest me a lot, although if the audio is as good as say Budokan, I may be interested in grabbing this to hear the songs with a good lively mix to see if it helps me appreciate the album a bit more.
And nothing new from Six Degrees of Live Neglect. I'm really not interested in hearing one of my favourite DT songs cut into chunklets yet again.

However, a commentary would make this an instant buy for me, and we'll see what other surprises they may have in store.

[Nekov]

ADTOE doesn't interest me a lot, although if the audio is as good as say Budokan, I may be interested in grabbing this to hear the songs with a good lively mix to see if it helps me appreciate the album a bit more.

I was hoping for this but the live playing didn't help me really. I love BITS, I love BAI, I love BTS but the rest of the record goes from meh to I don't like. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

[Perpetual Change]

I'm really as pumped as ever about this. Stuff I can't wait to see:

Surrounded
6:00
Caught in a Web
These Walls
Bridges in the Sky
Breaking All Illusions
The Acoustic Set
Pull Me Under (Yeah, I know it's on Budokan but I don't like that performance)

And, while there are definitely some repeats from Budokan and Score, I think you guys are being a little unrealistic in letting that get you down.  Everything about this new DVD I've seen so far has given me the impression that this is going to become the new "definitive" concert video.

Also, not liking A Dramatic Turn of Events = fail 

[Dream Team]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

[Nekov]

Pull Me Under (Yeah, I know it's on Budokan but I don't like that performance)

That was pretty awesome yesterday, clearly the best moment of the night. I hope they leave the crowd volume high for that one

Also, not liking A Dramatic Turn of Events = fail 

No, not at all.

[Dreamer81]

Also, not liking A Dramatic Turn of Events = fail 

This!!!

[BlobVanDam]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course ).

[ZirconBlue]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course ).

Did I miss the setlist for the second night? 

[BlobVanDam]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course ).

Did I miss the setlist for the second night? 

I don't think it's been posted in this thread, but it was posted in the Concerts and Setlists thread for the show here-
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=33293.msg1377609#msg1377609

[Onno]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there STILL won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

FTFY
Anyway, with a bit of luck, a new Ytsejam release from the European 2011 Tour will come soon, including LTL

[cramx3]

I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .

However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .

I guess dt needs to save material for their next DVD along with BC&sl

[Dream Team]

Actually, the more I think about this, it will definitely be my least favorite of the "Big 4" (Live Scenes, Budokan, Score, and this one) as I will mainly just be looking forward to the ADTOE songs. For one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.

As I look through the sets, we have my least favorite song from SC, my 2 least favorite "songs" from SDOIT, 3 of my least favorites from Awake (besides Lie); and a whole bunch of repeats. No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.

So setting that aside, I'm looking forward to the top-quality production, the ADTOE tracks; and DVD extras. Not criticizing them, they can't please everybody.

[bosk1]

For one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.

...No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.

For the life of me, I just cannot understand why people expected songs that were never played on the tour to have shown up on this DVD.  That just wasn't a very realistic possibility other than maybe tossing in one rarity.  Even on Score, I think ALL the songs they had in that set list had been done previously in the tour (I remember going bananas when additional parts of Six Degrees started showing up in the later shows on that last leg of the tour, figuring that meant they were probably brushing up on them so they could put it all together and play the entire song for the RCMH show).  I can sort of understand hoping for TGD, since that was played for a signficant portion of the early part of the tour.  But the stuff that hadn't been played at all?  Chances were slim to none.

TAMP in particular wouldn't have worked.  Before the tour started, I was really hoping they would dust it off, and perhaps even go back to the original version.  It truly is a GREAT song.  But not realistic to expect it once the tour got rolling.  There are only so many ballads they could include, and it was clear they had decided on WFS and TSM.  We'll just have to wait for TAMP.  Maybe next tour...

[Perpetual Change]

No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.

See Metropolis: Live Scenes From New York.

Aside from "The Great Debate", it's all there. And considering how good those performances are, I'm not sure why you'd want to see them done again.

[SeRoX]

Not getting TGD is a huge disappointment, I have to admit.

[BlobVanDam]

No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.

See Metropolis: Live Scenes From New York.

Aside from "The Great Debate", it's all there. And considering how good those performances are, I'm not sure why you'd want to see them done again.

I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).
Also, MM is in the band now, and I can see that people would want to hear the big classics with the current different lineup. Keep in mind that LSFNY was over a decade ago now, and these songs are all pretty highly regarded (aside from maybe TGD, but I'm referring more to the repeats here).

Just because these songs have been played once on DVD, doesn't mean they should be permanently shelved, especially considering how many other songs have been repeated. And they always sound a bit different to justify it.


Aside from TGD, these are all songs I find overrated to some degree, so these are general comments justifying repeats, and I'm personally not disappointed these specific songs weren't on the DVD, nor would I have expected them in the setlist anyway. But there were songs they did play at some point on the tour that were omitted, which I do find a bit disappointing.

[Perpetual Change]

I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).

I'm sure he'd be able to hit the note, but I doubt it'd be perfect, and I highly doubt it would be better. That and all those performances are so spirited that they're my favorite to watch. It's like James is fighting through every line and coming out on top. Then again, I never really cared that much about the F#.

But there were songs they did play at some point on the tour that were omitted, which I do find a bit disappointing.

Agreed on that. It's too bad "To Live Forever" didn't make the cut.

[BlobVanDam]

I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).

I'm sure he'd be able to hit the note, but I doubt it'd be perfect, and I highly doubt it would be better. That and all those performances are so spirited that they're my favorite to watch. It's like James is fighting through every line and coming out on top. Then again, I never really cared that much about the F#.

Well I was just offering one reason other people may want it, so you're free to disagree with it. Judging from bootlegs since the Octavarium tour, for me it would be a lot better than what was on LSFNY. But each to his own.

[Dream Team]

For one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.

...No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.

For the life of me, I just cannot understand why people expected songs that were never played on the tour to have shown up on this DVD.  That just wasn't a very realistic possibility other than maybe tossing in one rarity.  Even on Score, I think ALL the songs they had in that set list had been done previously in the tour (I remember going bananas when additional parts of Six Degrees started showing up in the later shows on that last leg of the tour, figuring that meant they were probably brushing up on them so they could put it all together and play the entire song for the RCMH show).  I can sort of understand hoping for TGD, since that was played for a signficant portion of the early part of the tour.  But the stuff that hadn't been played at all?  Chances were slim to none.

TAMP in particular wouldn't have worked.  Before the tour started, I was really hoping they would dust it off, and perhaps even go back to the original version.  It truly is a GREAT song.  But not realistic to expect it once the tour got rolling.  There are only so many ballads they could include, and it was clear they had decided on WFS and TSM.  We'll just have to wait for TAMP.  Maybe next tour...

Just to clarify, I wasn't expecting them to be on there; just stating the reasons why I wasn't excited. Forgot to mention TCOT which I suppose will be on a bootleg release someday.

[wolfking]

I actually would have liked to see Count of Tuscany.  Nothing from Black Clouds is interesting too.  Besides that, pretty killer sets actually.

[IdoSC]

While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.

[johncal]

I really hope JP and the guys don't read this post or they'll think all their fans are just whiners and complainers..... and don't try to explain it away or justify it. That's all it is. There's a big difference between expressing and opinon and complaining and most of this is complaining. There are some legitimate opinions and I'm fine with those. Maybe as a special treat they should have had a brand new song for the DVD, Never Enough part 2. Now that's my opinion. I'm thrilled with what they're doing for us because they don't owe us anything and I'm just glad they were nice enough to do this.

[wolfking]

While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.

Watching a boot now.  James is on fire.  He does an amazing high note in there too.  One of the highest I've ever heard from him I think.

[IdoSC]

While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.

Watching a boot now.  James is on fire.  He does an amazing high note in there too.  One of the highest I've ever heard from him I think.

He actually does two amazing high notes in this performance ("orders FLY" and also in the final chorus). Plus, pretty much any high note he has done in this tour (and he throws like at least 4 or 5 per show) is G5 or higher, which automatically makes them among the highest notes he's ever done as THE highest note was like a Bb5 I think.

Funnily enough, Learning to Live's F#5 is probably the "lowest high note" of the tour.