So I thought the LSFNY video only had the Scenes performance, but....

[darkshade]

... apparently not.

Or am I being derp?

I found videos of ACOS, LTL, and other songs from the same performances. But I thought the video only had the full Scenes performance. 

[SeRoX]

I don't get it. Is it a bad thing for you?

[darkshade]

I don't get it. Is it a bad thing for you?

No, but I'd like to share the links, unless the songs have already been officially released.

[TheGreatPretender]

They're on the DVD under the bonus material.

[Adami]

Yea, the Scenes set as well as AMBI, Learning to Live and ACOS are pretty obvious on the dvd.




Less obvious is the rest of the set since most people haven't figured out how to access them.

[Ben_Jamin]

Also, if you watch the Behind the Scenes, you can see some of the other songs. Also, the Picture Gallery has the remaining songs, except Another Day and JR's Keyboard Solo

[TheGreatPretender]

Also, if you watch the Behind the Scenes, you can see some of the other songs. Also, the Picture Gallery has the remaining songs, except Another Day and JR's Keyboard Solo

But no video footage. I wish they just included the whole set on the DVD.

[darkshade]

Oh, OK. Nevermind... 

[MoraWintersoul]

I wish they just included the whole set on the DVD.

Ugh, you're not the only one.

[angelusredgrove]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

[showdonttell]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

I like. And DT being DT, I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. Or at least BD releases of any of their videos. Then again, with MP out of commission...

[goo-goo]

Blu-ray wouldn't help much since it wasn't filmed in HD. Budokan and Score are the only DT dvds filmed in HD.

[bobs23]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

[MoraWintersoul]

 

[theGonz]

I also think they should release the full OIALT show in Paris. The live CD is missing a whole hour of music.

[Lowdz]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

but unless we get back together you'll never get to see it...

[Progmetty]

So both things I'm understanding from the opening post here are just worse than one another, it's either you couldn't find the bonus features on the DVD until now (the better option) or you've simply downloaded the concert online in which case you had no idea the DVD has bonus material, horrific option if you're a fan, not just cause it's an illegal download, but cause a fan would have researched the living fuck out of all the official releases by now, unless you became a fan on yesterday and in that case I apologize for what I said.

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

We don't know if it was but we know MP was aware a lot of fans wanted a complete version of the concert without the split screen stupidity.

[bosk1]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

We don't know if it was but we know MP was aware a lot of fans wanted a complete version of the concert without the split screen stupidity.

Well, Bob is the guy who works on all that stuff.  So if he says it was in the works, it was in the works.

[TheGreatPretender]

We don't know if it was but we know MP was aware a lot of fans wanted a complete version of the concert without the split screen stupidity.

I saw nothing wrong with the split screen. The weird effects that they put on the footage itself was a little unnecessary, like when JP starts playing that crazy solo in BTL, but as far as having different shots of two different musicians on screen at once, I thought it was a great idea.

[Progmetty]

Well, Bob is the guy who works on all that stuff.  So if he says it was in the works, it was in the works.

Oh right, this is the second time someone had to remind me of that in the last couple of years heh. My bad bob
Well I kinda gave a small fuck about the official bootlegs situation with MP and after knowing this was seriously in the works I'm really bummed out about it. This was something I really wanted to have.

[Progmetty]

We don't know if it was but we know MP was aware a lot of fans wanted a complete version of the concert without the split screen stupidity.

I saw nothing wrong with the split screen. The weird effects that they put on the footage itself was a little unnecessary, like when JP starts playing that crazy solo in BTL, but as far as having different shots of two different musicians on screen at once, I thought it was a great idea.

That too of course, but I really think the split screens were over done, I was sick of watching 3 or 4 small boxes, it doesn't give me it's desired effect of watch all the instruments at once, it was a distraction and an annoyance.
I agree with you though, the colored Mexican blankets effects was even more of a pain in the ass.

[TheGreatPretender]

That too of course, but I really think the split screens were over done, I was sick of watching 3 or 4 small boxes, it doesn't give me it's desired effect of watch all the instruments at once, it was a distraction and an annoyance.
I agree with you though, the colored Mexican blankets effects was even more of a pain in the ass.

Well, I'm sure with today's technology, the split screen could be done better. Like instead of having two small boxes, they could just cut off the sides, and show them a little more closely. Plus with widesceen format, there will be that much more room to work with.

[Progmetty]

Yeah a widescreen format on a BluRay disc would have made the split screen more tolerable, even though I would still do without them.

[TheGreatPretender]

Yeah a widescreen format on a BluRay disc would have made the split screen more tolerable, even though I would still do without them.

But MP had a point, there are parts in those songs where it's like, so much is going on at the same time, but you can't see every band member at once. If there's a crazy Keyboard and Guitar unison going on, seeing both of them at once is pretty convenient.

[Progmetty]

There's always been parts of songs where so much is going on at the same time, never been a problem if you got a decent editing crew and a smart director who knows what he's doing. The shots going back and forth between the band members has always been a fun thing to watch and nobody ever complained about.
Another thing is that I really ended up not seeing what he split the screen into 3 to make me see, whenever that happened I could no longer see JP's fingers on the guitar clearly nor JR's on the keys.
I love the other option: multiangle feature. If you think a song has too many elements that you have to show me happening at once and you find it impossible to accomplish that -which I don't think it is- then you can use this multiangle feature idea. Like Instrumedley on the bonus disc of Budokhan. I loved that they included a multiangle version of Instrumedley in the release but to be honest; when I watch the main version on the first disc I don't really feel there's something I'm missing out on, the editing job and direction are decent enough to do so.

[TheGreatPretender]

I'm not saying decent editing is something to complain about, but I wouldn't say that a decently edited split screen is something to complain about either.

[Progmetty]

Fair enough

[Jaq]

So both things I'm understanding from the opening post here are just worse than one another, it's either you couldn't find the bonus features on the DVD until now (the better option) or you've simply downloaded the concert online in which case you had no idea the DVD has bonus material, horrific option if you're a fan, not just cause it's an illegal download, but cause a fan would have researched the living fuck out of all the official releases by now, unless you became a fan on yesterday and in that case I apologize for what I said.

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

We don't know if it was but we know MP was aware a lot of fans wanted a complete version of the concert without the split screen stupidity.

Or all you ever owned, without looking into the DVD, was the VHS version, since it only had the performance of Scenes. Perfectly logical reason right there, without resorting to piracy rants.

[KevShmev]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

Serious question: can't those things still be in the works even though he is not in the band anymore? 

[Progmetty]

Or all you ever owned, without looking into the DVD, was the VHS version, since it only had the performance of Scenes. Perfectly logical reason right there, without resorting to piracy rants.

Touché, but that's clearly not the case here heh

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

Serious question: can't those things still be in the works even though he is not in the band anymore?

There is a humongous thread going on about how that is no longer possible.

[Ben_Jamin]

Or all you ever owned, without looking into the DVD, was the VHS version, since it only had the performance of Scenes. Perfectly logical reason right there, without resorting to piracy rants.

Touché, but that's clearly not the case here heh

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

Serious question: can't those things still be in the works even though he is not in the band anymore?

There is a humongous thread going on about how that is no longer possible.

Does it being official matter? I thought it was just about the bootlegs.

[MoraWintersoul]

Does it being official matter? I thought it was just about the bootlegs.

Good point! I don't think the full Scenes footage is in the MP archives, but then again, I might be wrong?

[Progmetty]

I think it is only in his achieves.

[snowdog]

The thing I disliked most about the split-screen is that since it was created using a separate process, it appeared that the resolution of the images were reduced.  To me they didn't seem to have the clarity that the full screen shots had.  That was my impression, though it has been years since I've seen the video.

I'm a bit skeptical of the viability a BD release.  Taking the DVD source and up-converting it would be pointless.  What was the original footage shot in?  I'm assuming it was an analog recording, though at some point it would have been digitized for editing.  But if it was digitized what was the resolution?  If it wasn't more than 480p you'd have to go back and recapture it at a better resolution to make it worth doing a BD.  At this point the footage is 12 years old, who knows how well that would have aged.  And if the footage was digital, is the resolution high enough to warrant BD?  Budokan obviously was as the improvement in the video quality was night and day.

The other minor issue is the aspect ratio being 4:3.  Putting bars on the side wouldn't bug me too much, but others might not care for it.  I'm not sure cropping the image would be a good idea since I'm sure the people were filming it with 4:3 in mind.

[Shadow2222]

I second this - a blu-ray with a new edit and complete performance would make my year (with the original edit also an option of course)

This was in the planning stages prior to MP's departure, along with some other cool features.

Do you think there is any chance that said plans will be revived eventually?