Vote in Mike Mangini at modern drummer poll 2012!

[devieira73]

 Our new boy is  listed in some categories.
Go www.moderndrummer.com!

[dongringo]

Done!

[namgalsipsclar]

There's a strange lack of Gavin Harrison in those polls...

[WindMaster]

I was noticing the same thing...

[Dublagent66]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

[Millais]

There's a strange lack of Gavin Harrison in those polls...

!!!!!!!!!!!

[reneranucci]

I can't vote for Mangini when Minnemann is in the same category.   

[czapor1967]

done did it!   

[dbrooks22]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

I hear u.  But the category is Best Progressive Drummer, and Peart hasn't been progressive for a long time. 

[WindMaster]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

I hear u.  But the category is Best Progressive Drummer, and Peart hasn't been progressive for a long time. 

Ummmmmmm..... You're saying that one of the all around best progressive drummers on the planet hasn't been progressive for a long time? Whaaat? 

[JimmyJava]

Peart is overrated. There, I said it.

[theseoafs]

When we're talking about drummers that are this good, it's almost futile to argue which one is better.

[dbrooks22]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

I hear u.  But the category is Best Progressive Drummer, and Peart hasn't been progressive for a long time. 

Ummmmmmm..... You're saying that one of the all around best progressive drummers on the planet hasn't been progressive for a long time? Whaaat? 

Believe me - i am 10 times the Peart fan that you are.  And no, he's not progressive anymore.  He's a rock drummer now.

[SystematicThought]

 

[dbrooks22]

Peart has been my drumming idol for 20yrs.  But he hasn't done anything that could be viewed as progressive in at least a decade.  His drumming is very straightforward-rock these days.  And that's why Mangini will win this category. 

Martin Scorcese is one of the best living directors of all time.  But that doesn't mean he should win a Best Director Oscar for Shutter Island.

[Aythesryche]

Peart has been my drumming idol for 20yrs.  But he hasn't done anything that could be viewed as progressive in at least a decade.  His drumming is very straightforward-rock these days.  And that's why Mangini will win this category. 

Martin Scorcese is one of the best living directors of all time.  But that doesn't mean he should win a Best Director Oscar for Shutter Island.

This is a very logical and practical statement. The thing with heros and idols they are often followed blindly, rendering this thought process useless for many.  I love Peart and what hes done and brought to the world of music in the past and what he still represents and is capable of. But imo, Mangini should definitely win this time around.

[devieira73]

I voted in Mangini for best prog rock drummer, just because he made a great work on ADTOE and deserves the recognition and promotion by the DT community, but... I really think that  Bobby Jarzombeck stole the show in that category with Arch/Matheos _ Sympathetic Ressonance.

[coffees for closers]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

I hear u.  But the category is Best Progressive Drummer, and Peart hasn't been progressive for a long time.

Dude listen to the drums in Caravan, they are very progressive. As most of the stuff on Snakes and Arrows is as well.

[SystematicThought]

But he hasn't done anything that could be viewed as progressive in at least a decade.  His drumming is very straightforward-rock these days. 

I think that S&A didn't have really straightforward rock drumming and coffee for closers is right. Caravan did have some drums that were far from straightforward. Whatever though.

And no Aythesryche, it's not me being led blindly by my idol, because Peart isn't. I just don't think that you can say Neil Peart is just straightforward rock nowadays

[dbrooks22]

I guess a lot depends on your definition of progressive.  In my mind, it's cutting edge - pushing the envelope.  In that regard, Neil hasn't recorded anything cutting edge in a long time.  It doesn't mean his drumming is not incredible - i just wouldn't call it progressive.  Throwing in a few odd time signatures doesn't make drumming progressive. 

[Orion1967]

I guess a lot depends on your definition of progressive.  In my mind, it's cutting edge - pushing the envelope.  In that regard, Neil hasn't recorded anything cutting edge in a long time.  It doesn't mean his drumming is not incredible - i just wouldn't call it progressive.  Throwing in a few odd time signatures doesn't make drumming progressive.

This was my exact thought.  Peart, while a great drummer is no Mike Mangini (LOL).  I voted MM in the poll (of course)

[DebraKadabra]

Voted.

[obscure]

Voted...
Wanted to vote for Minneman and Peart as well however being a DT fan is part of my identity.. so ....

I find lack of Gavin Harrison in the polls disturbing too btw... he deserves to be there.... great accent as well....

[Rob801]

I can't vote for Mangini when Peart is in the same category.   

I hear u.  But the category is Best Progressive Drummer, and Peart hasn't been progressive for a long time. 

Ummmmmmm..... You're saying that one of the all around best progressive drummers on the planet hasn't been progressive for a long time? Whaaat? 

He was one of the most progressive drummers on the planet, I lost interest in him a LONG time ago. But then again I haven't really heard him lately since Rush hasn't done anything that has interested me since Counterparts... and I was a HUGE Rush fan (I still like the stuff I grew up on and have fond memories of them but it's rare that I pull them out these days).

DT on the other hand is still writing music that I love. 

Besides, I thought Peart couldn't be nominated anymore. Didn't he win that category five times (or did they change that rule)?

[WindMaster]

I don't listen to Rush that much anymore either, but Peart still rocks, even though he isn't that progressive anymore.

[Rob801]

Believe me, I'm more than aware of his contribution to the drumming world and back in the day he was a very unique and ground breaking drummer. I just feel that there are many drummers that can drum circles around him technically and creatively these days.

Unfortunately (and I'm digging deep in my memory here) I seem to remember reading some comments he made in a MD interview many many years ago that kind of helped push me away from him (kind of patting himself on the back at the expense of some other drummers... and I remember being more excited at the time with what the other drummers were doing than what he was doing... MP for example).

Hell even in a recent trailer for his new video he talks about a lick he borrowed for the beginning of "Time Stand Still" from a Genesis song and that when he finally mastered it the engineer said they had to "slow down the tape for that" so Peart says he replicated a part that wasn't even human... so again, a pat on the back at the expense Phil Collins (I don't think the lick he's talking about is even that difficult).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd-oKkRBibQ&feature=player_embedded#!

[MasterLomaxus]

How dare he pat himself on the back. 

[Rob801]

Yeah right, but the fact is I can play that lick so the thought that PC couldn't is just ridiculous (and I've seen Genesis live many times), but because some engineer told him so it must be true.

In the MD interview I'm remembering (think it was around 96') I remember him saying something to the affect that the drummers of the time weren't inspiring. I remember thinking that I was more inspired by the drumming on Limp Bizkit  at the time than Test For Echo (and like I said MP and DT). I found it very egotistical considering how humble he tries to come across and it turned me off of him big time... not to mention the fact that there's a difference between patting yourself on the back and implying that you were doing something that "wasn't even human".

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a NP bash. I was just echoing the sentiments of another user and giving my reasons why. The fact is I always voted for him in the MD polls back when.

Back on topic. MM got my vote this time around.

[dbrooks22]

Yeah right, but the fact is I can play that lick so the thought that PC couldn't is just ridiculous (and I've seen Genesis live many times), but because some engineer told him so it must be true.

That is kind of funny.  I think that Peart has isolated himself from the world over the last 10-15 years, and he doesn't get honest feedback from people.  Everyone around him is a close friend or relative who are all giving him positive feedback all the time.  No "reality check", if you will.  He's still the greatest rock drummer of all time, and my favorite musician of all time, but i fear that he may have lost touch somewhat.  Anyway, that is just my opinion. 

Anyway, Mangini should take the prize on this one.  And he deserves it.

[KevShmev]

I guess a lot depends on your definition of progressive.  In my mind, it's cutting edge - pushing the envelope.  In that regard, Neil hasn't recorded anything cutting edge in a long time.  It doesn't mean his drumming is not incredible - i just wouldn't call it progressive.  Throwing in a few odd time signatures doesn't make drumming progressive.

Is Mangini, by and large, mimicking Portnoy's DT drumming style for most of ADOTE progressive? 

Also, do you realize that back in the mid 90s, Peart completely changed the way he plays, right?  How many drummers do that over 20 years into their career, especially one as lauded as Peart?

[The Letter M]

I guess a lot depends on your definition of progressive.  In my mind, it's cutting edge - pushing the envelope.  In that regard, Neil hasn't recorded anything cutting edge in a long time.  It doesn't mean his drumming is not incredible - i just wouldn't call it progressive.  Throwing in a few odd time signatures doesn't make drumming progressive.

Is Mangini, by and large, mimicking Portnoy's DT drumming style for most of ADOTE progressive? 

Also, do you realize that back in the mid 90s, Peart completely changed the way he plays, right?  How many drummers do that over 20 years into their career, especially one as lauded as Peart?

This is true. Peart set aside 20+ years of drumming to be retaught by a legend. Also, over the last 15 years since then, Peart has grown as a drummer. Listen to his drum solo on Different Stages, and then the successive solos on each following live album. His technical abilities have grown since then, especially his poly-rhythmic abilities.

Not digging at Mangini, he is a very technical drummer who can blow the roof off of many drummers, famous or otherwise, but I was watching some of his solos from the mid-90's and they're not much different than the solos he's been doing with DT. And while Mangini is a technical expert, I would think only drummers/percussionists (and possibly rock musicians in general) would have an appreciation for much of the things he does on stage, especially in his solos. I think Neil's solos have a bit more appeal to a broader audience, especially with his big-band-endings. They're more song-like in arrangements, while Mangini's solos are shows of technical prowess.

-Marc.

[Rob801]

I'm pretty sure Dave Weckl studied with the same Master instructor (Gruber) Peart did and re-invented his style as well (and he is just as lauded just in another genre).

It seems Peart is mostly back to matched grip these days anyway (part of the reason he changed the positions of his drums so drastically was to accommodate his change to traditional grip).

[dbrooks22]

I guess a lot depends on your definition of progressive.  In my mind, it's cutting edge - pushing the envelope.  In that regard, Neil hasn't recorded anything cutting edge in a long time.  It doesn't mean his drumming is not incredible - i just wouldn't call it progressive.  Throwing in a few odd time signatures doesn't make drumming progressive.

Is Mangini, by and large, mimicking Portnoy's DT drumming style for most of ADOTE progressive? 

Also, do you realize that back in the mid 90s, Peart completely changed the way he plays, right?  How many drummers do that over 20 years into their career, especially one as lauded as Peart?

Yes, i am well aware of Peart's development.  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

[dbrooks22]

This is true. Peart set aside 20+ years of drumming to be retaught by a legend. Also, over the last 15 years since then, Peart has grown as a drummer. Listen to his drum solo on Different Stages, and then the successive solos on each following live album. His technical abilities have grown since then, especially his poly-rhythmic abilities.

Not digging at Mangini, he is a very technical drummer who can blow the roof off of many drummers, famous or otherwise, but I was watching some of his solos from the mid-90's and they're not much different than the solos he's been doing with DT. And while Mangini is a technical expert, I would think only drummers/percussionists (and possibly rock musicians in general) would have an appreciation for much of the things he does on stage, especially in his solos. I think Neil's solos have a bit more appeal to a broader audience, especially with his big-band-endings. They're more song-like in arrangements, while Mangini's solos are shows of technical prowess.

-Marc.

Yep, also true.  Peart is probably better today, but in a more well-rounded sense.  He's basically taken the last two decades to add tools to his repertoire that many other accomplished drummers already had.  That's why i don't see it as progressive. 

[KevShmev]

  Mangini - that's an interesting conjecture..

It wasn't meant to be a criticism at all either, FYI; I am just saying, most of what he plays on ADTOE is just how Portnoy would have played it, with some obvious exceptions in there.

  Peart is probably better today, but in a more well-rounded sense.  He's basically taken the last two decades to add tools to his repertoire that many other accomplished drummers already had.  That's why i don't see it as progressive.

Okay, but by that definition, Mike Portnoy is not a progressive drummer at all, since, by his own admission, his style is completely taken from combining all of the styles of his favorite drummers over the years.