6 Degrees - Does it deserve to be in the Holy Trinity of DT albums?

[ddtonfire]

Awake
6DoIT
I&W

[7thHanyou]

SDOIT is in my bottom half of DT albums, right above SC and BCSL.  I've never understood why people like it so much.

Awake, on the other hand, is my third-favorite DT album, right after I&W and SFaM.  Apart from Scarred and The Mirror, I thoroughly enjoy every song.

I think with SDoIT my problem is that few of the songs are that enjoyable.  The first half of misunderstood is cool, Disappear is a great ballad, and the title track is up there with some of DT's best.  The other songs are just background noise to me, like a lot of the material on SC and BCSL.  I don't really see what's so exceptional about them.  Hell, even Misunderstood is kind of average.

The first six songs on Awake alone are enough to make it one of Dream Theater's best.  Innocence Faded is probably my favorite on Awake, but most of them are great.

[Cranky]

Not for me, because Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is one of, if not my least favourite Dream Theater album.

[BlobVanDam]

Awake has no place at all in the holy trinity imo. It is SDOIT, SFAM, and IaW, in that order. Just like IaW and SFAM, SDOIT is perfect from beginning to end, whereas Awake is most definitely not.

[Cranky]

Awake has no place at all in the holy trinity imo. It is SDOIT, SFAM, and IaW, in that order. Just like IaW and SFAM, SDOIT is perfect from beginning to end, whereas Awake is most definitely not.

It's just so amusing to me on how much opinions differ,
see, I think Awake is perfect the whole way through, even though I don't like Scarred very much, it is still a good song.
And, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is not at all.

[LTE3]

Hells Yes it does. Any album that includes their best heavy song (Glass Prison) and best epic prog track (title song) is the Holiest of holies

[?]

6 Degrees is a great album. Does it belong in my "holy trinity"? No. But I think it belongs to top 5 easily.

[TheGreatPretender]

Awake has no place at all in the holy trinity imo. It is SDOIT, SFAM, and IaW, in that order. Just like IaW and SFAM, SDOIT is perfect from beginning to end, whereas Awake is most definitely not.

It's just so amusing to me on how much opinions differ,
see, I think Awake is perfect the whole way through, even though I don't like Scarred very much, it is still a good song.
And, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is not at all.

I'd say both albums have something that brings them down. Awake has too many songs with samples in them. Especially Space-Dye Vest. What was the point of that Conan O'Brien sample? How does a conversation about a dry heat in Houston and swimming pools relate to the song at all?? Way to ruin the song.

In Six Degrees it's more just underwhelming parts like The Great Debate and Goodnight Kiss that kinda bring the album down overall.

[BlackInk]

It's my sixth favorite...so no.

Nuggetz.

[RuRoRul]

Six Degrees is better than at least two of those albums. As are a couple more DT albums.

[Cranky]

Awake has no place at all in the holy trinity imo. It is SDOIT, SFAM, and IaW, in that order. Just like IaW and SFAM, SDOIT is perfect from beginning to end, whereas Awake is most definitely not.

It's just so amusing to me on how much opinions differ,
see, I think Awake is perfect the whole way through, even though I don't like Scarred very much, it is still a good song.
And, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is not at all.

I'd say both albums have something that brings them down. Awake has too many songs with samples in them. Especially Space-Dye Vest. What was the point of that Conan O'Brien sample? How does a conversation about a dry heat in Houston and swimming pools relate to the song at all?? Way to ruin the song.

In Six Degrees it's more just underwhelming parts like The Great Debate and Goodnight Kiss that kinda bring the album down overall.

Well, if you pay really close attention to Space-Dye Vest, during the sample sections, you can hear a tv fuzz every time a 'sample' is change, and, in my opinion, it is the main character just sitting in his room lonely as hell, just watching television aimlessly.
And, in a couple parts, the sample has some sort of compression on it to simulate that the character is farther away from the tv, maybe in the kitchen getting a beer, or something.

But, I agree with your statement anyways, every album is going to have a weak point in some body's opinion.
I just think that Six Degrees has way more weak points than Awake, the actual SDOIT song is one of my least favourites in their entire catalogue. and the only song I like from the first disc is Misunderstood. I know, I must be crazy.

[skydivingninja]

I think it does.  My holy trinity is Images, SDOIT, and Scenes. 

[Marion Crane]

Yes, but...

my holy trinity happens to be:

SDOIT
I&W
SFAM

This. I've never been a big Awake fan

[lumpy33]

ok - i'll say it.  sfam isn't in my top 3.

i&w, 6 degrees, and train of thought

[Jaq]

I don't have a holy trinity, but when I rank DT albums SDOIT never makes it into the top 3. Depending on my mood I actually sometimes like Train of Thought better. SDOIT is a good album, but sometimes I just get a sense that the band is trying too hard on it. It's not really something I can put into words, but there you have it.

[GunsOfThePatriots]

ok - i'll say it.  sfam isn't in my top 3.

i&w, 6 degrees, and train of thought

+1 and Hello World !!

[lumpy33]

haha.  quite an entrance, gunsofthepatriots.  such a sacrilegious opening remark on the forum!

SFAM seems to be untouchable around here...

[theseoafs]

haha.  quite an entrance, gunsofthepatriots.  such a sacrilegious opening remark on the forum!

SFAM seems to be untouchable around here...

SFAM is untouchable everywhere.

[Banny]

No album belongs there more for me. It's my #1 DT album. And Awake doesn't come close to making an appearance either.

SDOIT
Scenes
Images


Somewhere between #8-#11: Awake

[WindMaster]

SFAM seems to be untouchable around here...

SFAM is untouchable everywhere.

+1

[TheGreatPretender]

SFAM seems to be untouchable around here...

SFAM is untouchable everywhere.

+1

[serrano]

I just think that Six Degrees has way more weak points than Awake, the actual SDOIT song is one of my least favourites in their entire catalogue. and the only song I like from the first disc is Misunderstood. I know, I must be crazy.

Then I am crazy too.
Nevertheless that was my first impression (for a long time), then after Score I found some more love for the title track (actually I love the Score version) and The Glass Prison grew from meh to somehow enjoyable. So the record went for me from subpar to midrange, but for sure not on my holy trilogy.

[Jarzombek]

Six Degrees = 4th

[Index]

Hello first post on here, and as most people have said my holy trinity would have to be.

I&W
Awake
SFAM

SDOIT is a great album by all means but I don't think its even in my top five. I just can't get into it like other albums. I personally think ToT is better than SDOIT. I think it lacks that oomph that makes the top 3 stand out.

[Obfuscation]

SDOIT should definitely be ther since it's their best album. End of discussion.

[Dellers]

I would say it deserves to be counted in the "big 4"

This. To me that means SFAM, ADTOE, I&W and SDOIT. Awake is not a favorite of mine, and is out of the top 3 by several albums.

[energythief]

Nope. 6 Degrees is #5 for me. My holy trinity is now:


1. SFAM
2. I&W
3. ADTOE


Awake is 4th, for what it's worth.

[ZKX-2099]

My top 3 was always Scenes, 6 and Train... so... I probably shouldn't spend too much time in this thread.

[iamtheeviltwin]

Well interestingly I went back and looked at the last time I ranked things and my "Holy Trinity" was

1) 6DOIT
2) 8VM
3) Awake.

So answer to the first question is yes.

On reflection I think I would change some of my song rankings again, but those three albums will still probably score very high along with ADTOE and I&W.   I love parts of SFAM and love the fact it is a well put together concept album, but it is in my mid-tier of albums overall.

[JediKnight1969]

My personal "Holy Trinity":

Images & Words
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory
A dramatic turn of events

Seriously.

[cfmoran13]

SDOIT is in my bottom half of DT albums.  I've never understood why people like it so much.

+1
"Home" is one of my Top 5 DT songs.  However, the album as a whole never really totally clicked for me.  I understand its importance - Jordan's first album...  concept album... yada yada yada.  But, I can't listen to it all the way through.

SDOIT, on the other hand, is definitely in my Top 3 DT albums.  I can listen to that one all day long.  To me, it's the last album (until ADTOE) that is DT playing like DT and not any of their influences.  And, I simply find it to be solid from beginning to end.

[jcmistat]

Six Degrees is my favorite album so yes I'd say so. I&W has to be there too. As for the third I'm going with SFAM. I only have it at 5 but I think these 3 albums express what DT's all about.

[CrimsonSunrise]

1. AWAKE
2. I&W's
3. 6DOIT

[Bill Carson]

So this topic prompted me to go and re-listen to SDOIT.

I've always liked the album but remember that when I initially listened to it a couple of things had bothered me;
(i) The album was not released in the UK before I saw them perform it live, so although I enjoyed what I heard it was difficult to digest some of the songs on first listen live.
(ii) The second CD reminded me of SFAM, I was hoping for something completely different for the follow up, so that aspect disappointed me slightly
(iii) Vocally I was never too impressed with TGP,  none of the verse melodies caught my ear and sounded a bit too Metalica for my liking.

Anyway having heard it again, I've got to say that I was absolutely blown away as to how great this album really is.
I take back all I had thought and would easily put this alongside my holy trinity....I&W, Awake and SFAM.

[ariich]

H, your Holy Trinity is wrong.

It should be SDOIT, I&W, ADOTE.

So yes, SDOIT should be there.