MM vs MP?

[Knguro]

This thread is only about MUSIC ability! Please leave the drama for someplace else.

[Captainchaos204]

On a Vokle chat with Jordan Rudess last night, he mentioned some of the time signatures that MM uses and plays all the time that even HE has some trouble with.. . The guy is just soo fast and incredibly technically skilled. MM all the way

[Blackfield]

MM vs MP and you're asking for no drama?

[Dimitrius]

From a purely technical standpoint, Mangini is in a class of his own.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

He's not looking for dramma. He's looking for drama.

[WildeSilas]

I need options for apples and oranges.

[reneranucci]

I love most of MP's work (with DT, LTE, NM, OSI and Transatlantic) and I'm indifferent to most of MM's work (LaBrie, Extreme, Steve Vai do nothing to me) so I went with MP. And Portnoy's style is probably my favorite of all the drummers I like.

[vulcandj]

Since both of them are that such a high level of musicianship, I'd have to say it's a tie.

[Nekov]

MP for me. I've yet to see something from MM that impresses me.

[coffees for closers]

So far just based on DT albums I have to go with MP, I don't feel the drumming on AToE is up to par with what MP did and sounded like. The standard double bass pattern is almost on every song, MP's feet were always playing something exciting.
i realize that Technically speaking MM is better, but as far as the sound and feel of the DT songs so far it is still MP

[Orion1967]

Poll needs a Kevin Moore option IMHO....


...But since there isn't one.  MM 100%!

[DP_Gumby]

Both please!

[blackngold29]

Not really sure why it matters. I don't see anything that one guy could do that the other couldn't with some practice.

Music isn't a competition. There isn't a 'better' in everything.

[Knguro]

Not really sure why it matters. I don't see anything that one guy could do that the other couldn't with some practice.

Music isn't a competition. There isn't a 'better' in everything.

Who said better?

Sooo we can assume that Travis Barker is at the same technical level that Neil Peart? Just wondering ... 

[TheGreatPretender]

Music isn't a competition. There isn't a 'better' in everything.

Although technically it kind of is. Pretty much every aspect of the entertainment industry is very competitive. And think about all the artists a label has coming in before choosing which one to sign. And even within a band, people have to audition, which is essentially competing for the part.
But I'm also a ball buster. So I know what you're saying.

[Knguro]

Music isn't a competition. There isn't a 'better' in everything.

Although technically it kind of is. Pretty much every aspect of the entertainment industry is very competitive. And think about all the artists a label has coming in before choosing which one to sign. And even within a band, people have to audition, which is essentially competing for the part.
But I'm also a ball buster. So I know what you're saying.

Well said!

[Tick]

This thread is only about MUSIC ability! Please leave the dramma for someplace else.

How about, drammma? Is that welcome?

[davzdrummer]

Both are great drummers, but yeah, I'll go with MP.. His fills(not only with the snare&toms but also with the hi hats), double bass patterns, the way he plays in contrast with what the guitar/JP is doing, stage presence, etc..

[TheGreatPretender]

This thread is only about MUSIC ability! Please leave the dramma for someplace else.

How about, drammma? Is that welcome?

He just doesn't want any dramma regarding either drumma.

[ResultsMayVary]

Mike Mangini

[lithium112]

I don't think this is a fair comparison at this point. Mangini has only had one DT album where he didn't even write his own parts. So as of right now - MP by a million miles. I have absolutely no doubts of MM's capabilities, but based on the creative output at this point there's no contest.

Though MM's drum solo on this tour was the best I've ever seen. He managed to display monstrous technique while also playing catchy grooves. At no point was that solo boring or dragging. Simply amazing. 

[Fiery Winds]

At their level, it's really hard to differentiate between the two from a purely technical standpoint.  That said, even MP has said that MM could play circles around him.  Beyond that, it really comes down to personal preference.  I find both to be fantastic and entertaining.

[millahh]

Mangini has only had one DT album where he didn't even write his own parts.

[lithium112]

Mangini has only had one DT album where he didn't even write his own parts.

Not correct? lol

[ResultsMayVary]

Mangini has only had one DT album where he didn't even write his own parts.

Not correct? lol

Not at all. lol.

JP and MM both have so many interviews where they said that JP wrote a basic guideline and MM threw his spin on the parts. JP can't stop talking about how blown away he was by MM and he said he wouldn't have even thought of the parts that MM ended up coming up with in the end.

[Öxölklöfför]

Mike.

[snapple]

Mike.

[The Letter M]

I love most of MP's work (with DT, LTE, NM, OSI and Transatlantic) and I'm indifferent to most of MM's work (LaBrie, Extreme, Steve Vai do nothing to me) so I went with MP. And Portnoy's style is probably my favorite of all the drummers I like.

This. I'm not too familiar with much of MM's body of work, except for maybe his contributions to MagnaCarta's Rush Tribute, Subdivisions, where he plays really well!

Also, I just LOVE nearly all of MP's albums, be it DT, LTE, Neal Morse, TA, OSI, or other random little things (like the other MagnaCarta Rush Tribute, Working Man), there's very few things that MP has done that I don't like (among them being A7X's Nightmare, which I don't own, or the Adrenaline Mob stuff, not my cup of tea).

So based on my experience with him, MP wins me over. Give it a few years after I familiarize myself with MM's works, and it might be a tighter race, and while I do appreciate MM's abilities, MP has a good bag of tricks that is creative and impressive in it's own right.

-Marc.

[Aythesryche]

I'm taking this tread as which drummer is best suited for todays progressive Dream Theater? I picked Mike Mangini. Mike Portnoy is still awesome in my books and I'm sure he forever will be. His music direction and "driving force" simply doesn't fit Dream Theater anymore in my opinion. Both are truly brilliant though.

[chrisbDTM]

MP back in the day was awesome, then it just seemed like he stopped improving. did the same old RLBBRLBB fills all over the place. mangini seems to really take his playing seriously.

[GalPro]

Portnoy is the best...his drumming is so connected to the songs and unique plus he wrote about half of the songs...

Mike Mangini at least for now didn't show any superior skills or uniquness in the drumming but we'll wait for the next album

[a51502112]

Marco Minneman. 

[Jarzombek]

Mike Portnoy will always be the best drummer for Dream Theater.

[mrjazzguitar]

I love them both, but I have to say Portnoy. We have his playing all the way from the mid 80s to the present well documented - he was such a vital part of Dream Theater's success and development as a an amazing drummer and composer.

[lithium112]

Not at all. lol.

JP and MM both have so many interviews where they said that JP wrote a basic guideline and MM threw his spin on the parts. JP can't stop talking about how blown away he was by MM and he said he wouldn't have even thought of the parts that MM ended up coming up with in the end.

Fair enough 

I guess I just wasn't really blown away by the drumming on ADTOE so I assumed it was a result of MM holding back or being confined to a form that was outside of his own creative abilities. TBH I'm not familiar with his work with Steve Vai or anything so maybe this IS the kind of musical input he provides. But based solely on how incredibly creative his solos are, I figured he would have approached some of the drum lines differently.

There are some parts of the album where he really shines, but other parts (intro fills of OTBOA, I'm looking at you) that feel a bit under-inspired.