Space Dye Vest Melody in Scarred?

[tweeg]

I read a few times before that the SDV main melody appears in the Mirror (obvious), LSOAD (not so obvious but there in a variation) and Scarred, but I never found it in there. If anyone has, care to post a time stamp?

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I never even knew about the LSoaD one. Where's that?

[Metropolis Pt. II]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

[tweeg]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

That's where I hear it. Timestamp 3:33. It "proggifies" the melody and goes through a few key changes but if you listen to it enough times you'll hear it.

[theseoafs]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

That's where I hear it. Timestamp 3:33. It "proggifies" the melody and goes through a few key changes but if you listen to it enough times you'll hear it.

I don't see any relation between the Space Dye Vest theme and that melody.

[Infinite Cactus]

I can kind of see rhythmically how the first 3 notes are kind of played similarly, but I don't think it's actually meant to be the SDV melody

[Nel_Annette]

You know, every time I've noticed it in The Mirror, I forget it's in there, and just keep discovering it over and over again. 

"Oh my god, that's part of Space Dye Vest! I have to tell someone!" *the internet already knows, you dolt*

Never knew about the other songs the melody appears in though. Guess I'll have to check that out.

[Guitalguy]

I also keep noticing the SDV part in The Mirror. Yesterday being the most recent. i haven't noticed in any other songs though.

[tweeg]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

That's where I hear it. Timestamp 3:33. It "proggifies" the melody and goes through a few key changes but if you listen to it enough times you'll hear it.

I don't see any relation between the Space Dye Vest theme and that melody.

Keep listening

[Mebert78]

Interesting.  Never noticed the SDV melody in "Lifting Shadows."  I do hear it kinda.

[FretMuppet]

I see the similarity but its in different keys

[tweeg]

Stuff like this is precisely why Awake is my favourite album. There are loads of places where they quote other songs it just gives the album such a complete feeling, like it's one piece of work rather than a collection of songs.

[theseoafs]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

That's where I hear it. Timestamp 3:33. It "proggifies" the melody and goes through a few key changes but if you listen to it enough times you'll hear it.

I don't see any relation between the Space Dye Vest theme and that melody.

Keep listening

I've listened to it several times. The melodies are completely different.

[Ħ]

I think it's during the end of the instrumental bridge?

That's where I hear it. Timestamp 3:33. It "proggifies" the melody and goes through a few key changes but if you listen to it enough times you'll hear it.

I don't see any relation between the Space Dye Vest theme and that melody.

Keep listening

I've listened to it several times. The melodies are completely different.

[tweeg]

It's not an exact replay of the melody as in the Mirror, but it's a variation of it, as far as I hear it though. Do other people hear it, or am I just crazy?  I'd like to know!

[Ħ]

Well, both melodies do use notes confined by Western music's 12-note tradition.  So you may be onto something.

[theseoafs]

It's not an exact replay of the melody as in the Mirror, but it's a variation of it, as far as I hear it though. Do other people hear it, or am I just crazy?  I'd like to know!

The two melodies are not related.

[D_Halco]

I can ALMOST hear it in 'Lifting Shadows', it's vague enough to not really count but present enough for those so inclined to pick up on it...as for the melody in 'Scarred' I've never heard it, if it even exists.

[olliemedsy]

i cant hear it

[Marion Crane]

I think it's after the "elastic rubber-Daves" part

[tweeg]

Regarding the OP, I fished out the reference where I first saw it:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.dream-theater/msg/0089565df8083b0d?hl=en&

4.18 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon?

        Yes. ...  Also, all throughout Awake, there is a lot of intentional riff
sharing. Without referring to the obvious Erotomania, which is MADE UP OF
riffs from other songs, the Space Dye Vest piano melody was added to The
Mirror, LSOAD, and Scarred.

[GasparXR]

I THINK I'm hearing it in LSOAD. It's more complex than the original melody. Someone also said that it was also in a different key from SDV as an argument against it being actually based on the melody (before starting a debate on whether or not you were trying to argue against that idea, you said "BUT it's in a different key"), it was in a different key in The Mirror (SDV being in Dm, TM in Bm), and no-one's arguing against THAT being the SDV melody. I don't recall any part in Scarred that sounds like it though, anyone got a timestamp?

[theseoafs]

Regarding the OP, I fished out the reference where I first saw it:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.dream-theater/msg/0089565df8083b0d?hl=en&

4.18 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon?

        Yes. ...  Also, all throughout Awake, there is a lot of intentional riff
sharing. Without referring to the obvious Erotomania, which is MADE UP OF
riffs from other songs, the Space Dye Vest piano melody was added to The
Mirror, LSOAD, and Scarred.

Looking through this link, it's very old and inaccurate. It also claims that Take the Time and Pull Me Under share a melody, which I'm fairly certain is complete nonsense, just as saying the Space Dye Vest melody is in Lifting Shadows off a Dream is. Also, Erotomania is very, very far away from being completely made up of riffs from the other songs.

[Implode]

After looking through Jordan's transcription of Scarred, the only similarity I can find is in the outro. And even then the only similarity are the rhythmic accents. They do follow a similar pattern to the chorus of SDV, but it's only a couple measures at a time. I don't think it's enough evidence to say it's intentional.

[Pols Voice]

Looking through this link, it's very old and inaccurate. It also claims that Take the Time and Pull Me Under share a melody, which I'm fairly certain is complete nonsense, just as saying the Space Dye Vest melody is in Lifting Shadows off a Dream is.

I've always thought of the "this world is spinning around me" part of PMU at 4:19 in TTT.

[theseoafs]

Looking through this link, it's very old and inaccurate. It also claims that Take the Time and Pull Me Under share a melody, which I'm fairly certain is complete nonsense, just as saying the Space Dye Vest melody is in Lifting Shadows off a Dream is.

I've always thought of the "this world is spinning around me" part of PMU at 4:19 in TTT.

Wow... Never noticed that. It's certainly not a direct transposition, but I could see its being intentional.

[2Timer]

I'm not surprised if they used part of the melody in other songs. There was quite a bit of that on Awake. I thought it was very cool, and I wish they would do more of it. It makes more of the songs relate to one another.
Also, Moon Safari fans should notice the same thing in their Blomljud album. I know this is the DT forum, but check that album out if you haven't.

[2Timer]

I'm not surprised if they used part of the melody in other songs. There was quite a bit of that on Awake. I thought it was very cool, and I wish they would do more of it. It makes more of the songs relate to one another.
Also, Moon Safari fans should notice the same thing in their Blomljud album. I know this is the DT forum, but check that album out if you haven't.

[ZirconBlue]

Does having the username "2Timer" mean you have to post everything twice? 

[tweeg]

Wow... Never noticed that. It's certainly not a direct transposition, but it is definitely intentional.

FTFY

[tweeg]

After looking through Jordan's transcription of Scarred, the only similarity I can find is in the outro. And even then the only similarity are the rhythmic accents. They do follow a similar pattern to the chorus of SDV, but it's only a couple measures at a time. I don't think it's enough evidence to say it's intentional.

Thanks for taking a look. I can't hear anything there either...

[The Silent Cody]

Regarding the OP, I fished out the reference where I first saw it:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.dream-theater/msg/0089565df8083b0d?hl=en&

4.18 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon?

        Yes. ...  Also, all throughout Awake, there is a lot of intentional riff
sharing. Without referring to the obvious Erotomania, which is MADE UP OF
riffs from other songs, the Space Dye Vest piano melody was added to The
Mirror, LSOAD, and Scarred.

Looking through this link, it's very old and inaccurate. It also claims that Take the Time and Pull Me Under share a melody, which I'm fairly certain is complete nonsense, just as saying the Space Dye Vest melody is in Lifting Shadows off a Dream is. Also, Erotomania is very, very far away from being completely made up of riffs from the other songs.

I would never say that Erotomania is a made up of riffs from other songs. The opening riff for example... it's just Erotomania, I can clearly see sharing between The Mirror and Lie, and SDV between The Mirror...

[GasparXR]

I always heard people say Erotomania has riffs from Voices, but I've never heard them. O.o

[FretMuppet]

I always heard people say Erotomania has riffs from Voices, but I've never heard them. O.o

What a coincidence, I was just listening to that and noticed it  but I'd say its the other way round

Edit: By the way, the bit is in 4:43 in Voices, Kevins playing the guitar riff that comes in at 0:07 in Erotomania

[GasparXR]

I always heard people say Erotomania has riffs from Voices, but I've never heard them. O.o

What a coincidence, I was just listening to that and noticed it  but I'd say its the other way round

Edit: By the way, the bit is in 4:43 in Voices, Kevins playing the guitar riff that comes in at 0:07 in Erotomania

I don't hear it at 4:43, but a little bit after that.