Dream Theater and Trivium?

[Slain]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if Trivium is a type of band that DT hasn't really toured with before. The closest thing to them was Opeth, and that was on Progressive Nation. What does everything think of this pairing?

Personally, I've never really liked them that much... :/

[bosk1]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if Trivium is a type of band that DT hasn't really toured with before.

Why do you say that?  They've toured with heavy bands before.  E.g. Gigantour, and touring with Into Eternity on the SC tour.

Personally, I don't mind.  I wasn't really aware of them before the tour was announced, and can't really call myself a fan.  But in listening to some of their stuff since then, they're pretty tight, are decent songwriters and musicians, and have a pretty good sound when their vocalist isn't doing those croaking screamy vocals.  They look like they probably put on a decent show.

[bss4life15]

Hate Trivium, but i'm sure DT will make up for it.

[Slain]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if Trivium is a type of band that DT hasn't really toured with before.

Why do you say that?  They've toured with heavy bands before.  E.g. Gigantour, and touring with Into Eternity on the SC tour.

Personally, I don't mind.  I wasn't really aware of them before the tour was announced, and can't really call myself a fan.  But in listening to some of their stuff since then, they're pretty tight, are decent songwriters and musicians, and have a pretty good sound when their vocalist isn't doing those croaking screamy vocals.  They look like they probably put on a decent show.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Trivium more of a Metalcore band? I guess that's what I meant by a different type of band. I know they've toured with heavier bands before, though.

[MetropolisxPt1]

^^yes they are more metalcore then straight metal


I'm not a fan because i don't like Trivium but it makes a lot of since because they're both on the same label and will bring their music to a new fan base just as dream theater will be exposing people to music they've never heard.

[wolfking]

Quite simply, an amazing combo.

It's a shame Trivium get bashed so much just because they have been given a support slot with such a high profile prog metal band.

[Ħ]

Whether or not Trivium is good, I'd much rather have one opening act than three.

[Heretic]

Quite simply, an amazing combo.

It's a shame Trivium get bashed so much just because they have been given a support slot with such a high profile prog metal band.

Agreed. Trivium is an awesome band.

[kiwiclapton]

Stink.

[The Presence of Frenemies]

I love Trivium, but I really hope that if and when I see them and DT, the majority of Trivium's set is from their last two albums (not including the upcoming release).

[bosk1]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if Trivium is a type of band that DT hasn't really toured with before.

Why do you say that?  They've toured with heavy bands before.  E.g. Gigantour, and touring with Into Eternity on the SC tour.

Personally, I don't mind.  I wasn't really aware of them before the tour was announced, and can't really call myself a fan.  But in listening to some of their stuff since then, they're pretty tight, are decent songwriters and musicians, and have a pretty good sound when their vocalist isn't doing those croaking screamy vocals.  They look like they probably put on a decent show.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Trivium more of a Metalcore band? I guess that's what I meant by a different type of band. I know they've toured with heavier bands before, though.

Even if they are, why does that matter?  Again, some of the bands DT toured with on Gigantour fit that description as well.  And even for those that didn't, are Trivium (or most "metalcore" bands, for that matter) really all that different than other really heavy bands DT have toured with?  Not in my mind.

[Jaffa]

I don't have any problem with Trivium.  Some of their music's pretty awesome to me. 

But, I don't think they're a great fit for touring with Dream Theater.

[Slain]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if Trivium is a type of band that DT hasn't really toured with before.

Why do you say that?  They've toured with heavy bands before.  E.g. Gigantour, and touring with Into Eternity on the SC tour.

Personally, I don't mind.  I wasn't really aware of them before the tour was announced, and can't really call myself a fan.  But in listening to some of their stuff since then, they're pretty tight, are decent songwriters and musicians, and have a pretty good sound when their vocalist isn't doing those croaking screamy vocals.  They look like they probably put on a decent show.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Trivium more of a Metalcore band? I guess that's what I meant by a different type of band. I know they've toured with heavier bands before, though.

Even if they are, why does that matter?  Again, some of the bands DT toured with on Gigantour fit that description as well.  And even for those that didn't, are Trivium (or most "metalcore" bands, for that matter) really all that different than other really heavy bands DT have toured with?  Not in my mind.

I guess it just all comes down to personal preference. I am familiar with their stuff, and the newer albums are better for sure, but they just aren't my thing.

But, I don't think they're a great fit for touring with Dream Theater.

This. The fanbase for a band like Trivium is wildly different than DT's, but hopefully it'll bring some new fans onboard. That's the important part I guess...

[Ħ]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

[bosk1]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Come on over here, little Ħ, and let grampa bosk explain something to you.  You see, regular music fans aren't as smart as us prog fans.  They don't really know the difference between opening, headlining, co-headling, or whatever.  When they find out the bands they like are playing a show in their local area, they just ask whoever is running detention (I would say their teachers, but they don't know who their teachers are because they aren't smart enough to actually go to real class and have to spend all their time in detention or in juvenile hall) to log on the internet and buy them a ticket with the money they got from selling drugs.  Then they just go to the show and stand there and drool, or headbang, or pass out, or just stay out behind the venue prostituting themselves for food stamps.  Most of the time, they couldn't even tell you if they were at the show, much less which band went on last.  So you keep that in mind and be careful out there.  It's a big, scary world full or drug dealers, pimps, and orcs and things.  Stay alert.  And stay prog.

[The Presence of Frenemies]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Trivium does cite DT as an influence, so if fans know that, they might be inclined to stay. Depends on the type of fan though. I mean, Trivium's about as extreme as my taste gets, whereas fans of extreme metal might consider them about as soft as their taste gets. Also really depends on how much exposure the fans got to DT.

[Adami]

I'd say Trivium fans are far more likely to stay to see DT headline than DT fans would be to stay to see Trivium headline.

[El JoNNo]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Stay alert.  And stay prog.

SIG'd lol

[Slain]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Come on over here, little Ħ, and let grampa bosk explain something to you.  You see, regular music fans aren't as smart as us prog fans.  They don't really know the difference between opening, headlining, co-headling, or whatever.  When they find out the bands they like are playing a show in their local area, they just ask whoever is running detention (I would say their teachers, but they don't know who their teachers are because they aren't smart enough to actually go to real class and have to spend all their time in detention or in juvenile hall) to log on the internet and buy them a ticket with the money they got from selling drugs.  Then they just go to the show and stand there and drool, or headbang, or pass out, or just stay out behind the venue prostituting themselves for food stamps.  Most of the time, they couldn't even tell you if they were at the show, much less which band went on last.  So you keep that in mind and be careful out there.  It's a big, scary world full or drug dealers, pimps, and orcs and things.  Stay alert.  And stay prog.

I hope that they're friendly orcs...

[bosk1]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Stay alert.  And stay prog.

SIG'd lol

I'm kinda partial to the sentence just before that, myself.  But whatever floats yer boat.

I hope that they're friendly orcs...

I forgot to ask.  Is that an important detail?

[MykeHavoc]

I like Trivium and love DT, so its a cool pairing in my opinion.

[wammabe]

I've never heard of them, but from what I've heard, they are nothing like Dream Theater. Its a very interesting combination, but I'd rather see Dream Theater with another progressive band.

Either way, I have to listen to Trivium when I can.

[Elsydeon]

I've never heard of them, but from what I've heard, they are nothing like Dream Theater. Its a very interesting combination, but I'd rather see Dream Theater with another progressive band.

Either way, I have to listen to Trivium when I can.

You've never heard of them... but you heard they are nothing like DT.   
   I think they are a great match up, Trivium lists DT as one of their main influences and you can hear it in their music. Trivium is definitely more heavy and might not meet every DT fan's cup of tea, but I think both bands will expand their fanbase with this tour
and it'll be one hell of a rocking show!

[The Presence of Frenemies]

I'd rather see Dream Theater with another progressive band.

I know I'm taking this out of context, but I just want to say that Trivium is a progressive band, at least in the meaning of the word "progressive" if not the "progressive" genre. After all, they utilize some atypical song structures, have long songs (including one that's nearly 12 minutes), and are obviously a talented band that's not averse to writing very complex music. "Progressiveness" is not the first thing that stands out about their music by any means, but it's not like Trivium is a straight-ahead metal or metalcore band--they have a lot of variation. Hell, that 12-minute epic even has a blues-style solo.

Anyway, I know what you meant, but I just feel like others think that Trivium is some sort of generic metal/metalcore/screamo band, when they really aren't, not on either The Crusade or Shogun anyway.

[Adami]

I'd like to point something out. To those of you who'd rather see DT with another prog band, consider this. Most "prog" fans know about DT if they're not already big fans. Doing this might be awesome for prog fans, but right now DT needs new blood. They won't find any new blood playing with Neil Morse or something. They're going to find it playing to an audience who might not know who DT are already, and Trivium (amongst other non prog bands) will provide that.

[wammabe]

I've never heard of them, but from what I've heard, they are nothing like Dream Theater. Its a very interesting combination, but I'd rather see Dream Theater with another progressive band.

Either way, I have to listen to Trivium when I can.

You've never heard of them... but you heard they are nothing like DT.   
   I think they are a great match up, Trivium lists DT as one of their main influences and you can hear it in their music. Trivium is definitely more heavy and might not meet every DT fan's cup of tea, but I think both bands will expand their fanbase with this tour
and it'll be one hell of a rocking show!

sorry
*never heard them.

I've heard of them before.

I'd like to point something out. To those of you who'd rather see DT with another prog band, consider this. Most "prog" fans know about DT if they're not already big fans. Doing this might be awesome for prog fans, but right now DT needs new blood. They won't find any new blood playing with Neil Morse or something. They're going to find it playing to an audience who might know who DT are already, and Trivium (amongst other non prog bands) will provide that.

I understand, its definitely better for DT.

[TheCor]

I like Trivium and love DT, so its a cool pairing in my opinion.

[OsMosis2259]

Love both of the bands. I found the combo unusual at first but more I think about it, I think it's great.

[El JoNNo]

I'm kinda partial to the sentence just before that, myself.  But whatever floats yer boat.

I was in a band where our catch phrase was "Stay progressive" or we would say something like "that's progressive". We were prog metal band, that's why it jumped out at me.

[tgstk2]

Trivium is awesome, full on metal!!!
they are great muscians, without a doubt even you think they suck (well 99,9% of bands around the world suck, only the ones you personally like are ok right?), they all are very skilled on there instrument.
they have written great songs, weaker songs, but the majority is great, just like every other band. there first 2 albums are still highlights, i am very curious for there new album.... it would be awesome to have a guitar duel with JP and the trivium guys...
it would be great if JP jumped on stage and played along with Trivium and give a good old windmill while playhing along!! HA!

[Durg]

Well so far I'd have to drive too far on a week night to see them.  The little I've sample of Trivium makes me not willing to take the vacation day and spend the $$$.  I've never seen DT in concert and I really want to, but I'll have to wait for a better package to make it worth my time.

[wkiml]

Everyone who want's DT to play with a prog opener, just look at the Roadrunners Artist page

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/...really other than Opeth (whom they have already toured with) who fills the bill? Nightwish? Within Temptation? do these bands even have a following stateside to bring in additional fans?

at least Trivium has a fanbase which might draw some added people to the venues and expose DT to newer fans

[hefdaddy42]

I'm not that familiar with Trivium, but from what I have read and heard, it seems like a pretty good decision for DT.  I don't mind whatsoever.

[tgstk2]

great quote your using..still :-)

[IronEarthTheater]

I wouldn't pay to go see Trivium by itself, but I will show up to see them open and enjoy myself.  Sure, the ideal would be to see a band open that I love AND a headliner that I love (like, say, DT and Maiden), but then next best thing is a band like Trivium that is solid.  And the live experience is always fun.  So I'm psyched - I just need a date in Ohio so I can actually go...