Dream Theater and Trivium?

[chknptpie]

So you're saying I can show up later for this concert? j/k lol I don't really know Trivium and would give them a shot.

[hefdaddy42]

great quote your using..still :-)

[Gadough]

Quite simply, an amazing combo.

Aye. Both bands are among my favorites. If they announce a Dallas date, I'll heavily consider driving for 4-5 hours to see them.

[russellmania]

Trivium is awful.  Really disappointed when I heard the announcement.

[Infinite Cactus]

I bought some Trivium albums a few years back and tried to get into them. I wound up giving them all away. They aren't terrible, I'm just not into bands that sound like Metallica Jr. Most of the time. Hell I'm not really into Metallica either. It's whatever though, I'll still go see Dream Theater.

[Slain]

Everyone who want's DT to play with a prog opener, just look at the Roadrunners Artist page

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/...really other than Opeth (whom they have already toured with) who fills the bill? Nightwish? Within Temptation? do these bands even have a following stateside to bring in additional fans?

at least Trivium has a fanbase which might draw some added people to the venues and expose DT to newer fans

Opeth, Nightwish, Queensryche, PORCUPINE TREE, Mastodon, and hell, even Megadeth, would all be better choices. I was really hoping for PT...  

Maybe I'm not being fair. I'll have to listen to more Trivium, but I had a friend that was really into them that lent me some of their stuff before and I didn't like it. The instrumentals can be pretty good at times, though.

[SystematicThought]

. I was really hoping for PT...  

Don't hold your breath for a PT/DT show in the near future. I don't think it would happen anytime soon, as much as I would love it to happen

[GasparXR]

Octatrivium

[VioletS16]

Not a fan. Honestly, Trivium isn't that appealing to me. They are great musicians, very talented, but I'm just not a fan.

But I'll make that sacrifice to see DT live 

[Jaffa]

Octatrivium

Trivium plays an 8 song set, and all of the rabid DT fans in the audience who want DT to hit the stage already are thinking, 'dammit, why are we trapped inside this octatrivium?"

[GasparXR]

Octatrivium

Trivium plays an 8 song set, and all of the rabid DT fans in the audience who want DT to hit the stage already are thinking, 'dammit, why are we trapped inside this octatrivum?"

Haha, do they have 5 members?




...Or will they only have 5 fans in the audience

[senecadawg2]

Seems like a great idea for Trivium fans while not such a great idea for DT fans. Just my take on it.

[bosk1]

Opeth, Nightwish, Queensryche, PORCUPINE TREE, Mastodon, and hell, even Megadeth, would all be better choices. I was really hoping for PT...  

Well, there's no reason they have to stick with label-mates, other than the fact it is logistically easier to plan.  But of those bands, there are problems with a few of tose match-u[s.  

Opeth:  Toured with in the relatively recent past.  At least one major consideration with DT not doing a proper American BCSL tour wasthat in a market where tickets are just not selling as well as people would like, they were concerned about oversaturation (or at least, promoters were).  Duplicating a recent tour-mate is not a good idea.

Nightwish:  They aren't really available to tour just yet.  

Queensryche:  I suppose 2003 is probably distant enough where duplication isn't TOO much of an issue.  But even so, I doubt DT want to associate themselves with a band that is a rapidly sinking ship.  And for me personally, as much as I would like to see DT, I would boycott the show just to continue to make sure Queensryche never see another dollar of my money.

PT:  Not a fan AT ALL, but as many hardcore PT/DT fans as there are out there, this would be a great package if it were only possible.  If only...

Mastodon:  This would be an amazing pairing, actually.  Aside from the fact that there is little potential to gain new fans, as I believe most Mastodon fans have likely heard of DT and already decided whether or not they like them.

Megadeth:  Great for fans like me who like both bands a lot.  But Megadeth are too big to open for DT, and DT wouldn't go out on a support tour for Megadeth at this stage.

Still a good list that you put together, but most of these don't work.

[Ħ]

Opeth, Nightwish, Queensryche, PORCUPINE TREE, Mastodon, and hell, even Megadeth, would all be better choices. I was really hoping for PT... 

PT:  Not a fan AT ALL

[Madman Shepherd]

I skipped Zappa Plays Zappa...I think I'll catch Trivium though.  I know nothing about them except I probably won't be a fan of their music but it'll be worth checking out. 

[Elite]

Opeth, Nightwish, Queensryche, PORCUPINE TREE, Mastodon, and hell, even Megadeth, would all be better choices. I was really hoping for PT...  

Queensryche:  I suppose 2003 is probably distant enough where duplication isn't TOO much of an issue.  But even so, I doubt DT want to associate themselves with a band that is a rapidly sinking ship.  And for me personally, as much as I would like to see DT, I would boycott the show just to continue to make sure Queensryche never see another dollar of my money.

I was never into Queensryche, but what is this? Sinking ship? What's happening there then? 

[Chrissalix]

Trivium are very decent but it's a strange pairing. I guess it's a label ploy so that the bands can feed off each other's respective fanbases. Roadrunner have done it in the UK and put 2 of their bigger bands on co-headline tours like The Black Crusade tour which had smaller RR bands on it as well.

Anyway, you guys should all go and watch Trivium with an open mind instead of going in late. They might surprise you. They're as big as they are for a reason and that's because they're better than every other metalcore band out there. Their frontman is an absolute star both as a vocalist (he was pretty terrible, but he has sorted it out majorly) and as guitarist. He worships the ground Petrucci walks on. He uses Rock Discipline to warm up. He's no mug. Obviously they're metal and not prog so it's not for everyone on here but they're not generic bullshit. It's also worth bearing in mind that their new album is their 5th and they're still in their early 20s, which is mad.

[Elite]

It's also worth bearing in mind that their new album is their 5th and they're still in their early 20s, which is mad.

[Progmetty]

Trivium has new album coming out soon.
I think most of the alternative suggestions here are of bands that are as big as DT in reputation and fan following so none of them would work as an "opening act", which then means that they would play equal time as DT and maybe longer.
I don't really understand the people who are wishful of a PT/DT show one day, I love PT but I can't imagine what would it take to make the tremendous mood shift jumping from a PT set to a DT set. They're too different.

[Gadough]

I bought some Trivium albums a few years back and tried to get into them. I wound up giving them all away. They aren't terrible, I'm just not into bands that sound like Metallica Jr. Most of the time. Hell I'm not really into Metallica either. It's whatever though, I'll still go see Dream Theater.

The Crusade is the only album that sounds like "Metallica Jr." The first two albums have a definite Metallica influence without sounding much like them, and Shogun is where Trivium found a sound that was completely their own. The influence of Metallica has always been in Trivium's music, but it's not nearly as pronounced as people often accuse them of.

[Slain]

Trivium are very decent but it's a strange pairing. I guess it's a label ploy so that the bands can feed off each other's respective fanbases. Roadrunner have done it in the UK and put 2 of their bigger bands on co-headline tours like The Black Crusade tour which had smaller RR bands on it as well.

Anyway, you guys should all go and watch Trivium with an open mind instead of going in late. They might surprise you. They're as big as they are for a reason and that's because they're better than every other metalcore band out there. Their frontman is an absolute star both as a vocalist (he was pretty terrible, but he has sorted it out majorly) and as guitarist. He worships the ground Petrucci walks on. He uses Rock Discipline to warm up. He's no mug. Obviously they're metal and not prog so it's not for everyone on here but they're not generic bullshit. It's also worth bearing in mind that their new album is their 5th and they're still in their early 20s, which is mad.

I'm probably being too harsh on them. I'm not going to go in late, I will definitely stay for their set and listen with an open mind. That is crazy that they're on their 5th album...

[Orion1967]

Sorry to ressurect a Month Old thread, but it was only recently that I found out that Trivium will be in Atlanta on Oct 19 with DT.  So... today, for the first time I tried to listen to someof their stuff....    I guess I am just too old... I dont really like the screamo lyrics...  makes the songs sound like shit imho.  Definately have skill on thier instruments, but speed metal core is just not my cup of tea I don't suppose.  I am a little trepidatious now since this tour I was considering shelling out the $275/ticket for me and my 18 year old to do the VIP meet and greet thing this tour but having to stand up close to the stage while a full out mosh pit breaks out will suck serious ass.....

Considering not doing the VIP thing, just buying reserved balcony seating and showing up late for DT....

Kind of a sad puppy at this point tbqh...

[GasparXR]

Sorry to ressurect a Month Old thread, but it was only recently that I found out that Trivium will be in Atlanta on Oct 19 with DT.  So... today, for the first time I tried to listen to someof their stuff....    I guess I am just too old... I dont really like the screamo lyrics...  makes the songs sound like shit imho.  Definately have skill on thier instruments, but speed metal core is just not my cup of tea I don't suppose.  I am a little trepidatious now since this tour I was considering shelling out the $275/ticket for me and my 18 year old to do the VIP meet and greet thing this tour but having to stand up close to the stage while a full out mosh pit breaks out will suck serious ass.....

Considering not doing the VIP thing, just buying reserved balcony seating and showing up late for DT....

Kind of a sad puppy at this point tbqh...

$275? Holy shit. I'm seeing them on the balcony in Toronto for $69(CAD). And it's a damn good seat imo.

[Orion1967]

Sorry to ressurect a Month Old thread, but it was only recently that I found out that Trivium will be in Atlanta on Oct 19 with DT.  So... today, for the first time I tried to listen to someof their stuff....    I guess I am just too old... I dont really like the screamo lyrics...  makes the songs sound like shit imho.  Definately have skill on thier instruments, but speed metal core is just not my cup of tea I don't suppose.  I am a little trepidatious now since this tour I was considering shelling out the $275/ticket for me and my 18 year old to do the VIP meet and greet thing this tour but having to stand up close to the stage while a full out mosh pit breaks out will suck serious ass.....

Considering not doing the VIP thing, just buying reserved balcony seating and showing up late for DT....

Kind of a sad puppy at this point tbqh...

$275? Holy shit. I'm seeing them on the balcony in Toronto for $69(CAD). And it's a damn good seat imo.

Nah the $275 is for the Meet and Greet and deluxe package stuff...   I have never spent that kind of scratch on a concert in my life but I am not one of the fortunate ones that can email back and forth with Rudess and Petrucci and such.  Plus my son is a drummer and really wants to meet MM.   Regualr reserved balcony is about the same price here in Atlanta

[Shadow2222]

Sorry to ressurect a Month Old thread, but it was only recently that I found out that Trivium will be in Atlanta on Oct 19 with DT.  So... today, for the first time I tried to listen to someof their stuff....    I guess I am just too old... I dont really like the screamo lyrics...  makes the songs sound like shit imho.  Definately have skill on thier instruments, but speed metal core is just not my cup of tea I don't suppose.  I am a little trepidatious now since this tour I was considering shelling out the $275/ticket for me and my 18 year old to do the VIP meet and greet thing this tour but having to stand up close to the stage while a full out mosh pit breaks out will suck serious ass.....

Considering not doing the VIP thing, just buying reserved balcony seating and showing up late for DT....

Kind of a sad puppy at this point tbqh...

$275? Holy shit. I'm seeing them on the balcony in Toronto for $69(CAD). And it's a damn good seat imo.

Nah the $275 is for the Meet and Greet and deluxe package stuff...   I have never spent that kind of scratch on a concert in my life but I am not one of the fortunate ones that can email back and forth with Rudess and Petrucci and such.  Plus my son is a drummer and really wants to meet MM.   Regualr reserved balcony is about the same price here in Atlanta

Well, I am not sure, but I thought I heard the meet and greet took place during Trivium's set, but I'm not 100% sure.

[aXygnus]

I would love some Porcupine Tree, Mastodon or Megadeth touring with DT. Especially Megadeth, since them and DT are my top 2.

[Vajra]

I would love some Porcupine Tree, Mastodon or Megadeth touring with DT. Especially Megadeth, since them and DT are my top 2.

They toured with Megadeth kind of, during Gigantour 2005. Along with Symphony X and a few other bands.

[theseoafs]

Would Trivium fans really go to see them if they weren't the main act?  Would they even stay for DT?

Stay alert.  And stay prog.

SIG'd lol

I'm kinda partial to the sentence just before that, myself.  But whatever floats yer boat.

SIG'd lol

[Progmetty]

Anyone got the set list Trivium played on the California shows? I wanted to know their songs for the show. I got the new album but 3 songs into it I decided I'm only gonna listen to the songs they play live cause I couldn't take the screaming and the hyper drumming.

[bosk1]

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/trivium/2011/the-warfield-san-francisco-ca-43d013c3.html

The three songs from the new album are:
-In Waves (with Capsizing the Sea as intro)
-Caustic Are The Ties That Bind
-Built To Fall

[tristl]

Anyone got the set list Trivium played on the California shows? I wanted to know their songs for the show. I got the new album but 3 songs into it I decided I'm only gonna listen to the songs they play live cause I couldn't take the screaming and the hyper drumming.

I don't know what most of you have against Trivium.
I quite like them,
a little too much screaming(but they do it better than MP IMO), but otherwise not so bad.

[Samsara]

Not a fan at all. I went into the show very much looking forward to seeing what they were all about. I came away unimpressed and thought they were pretty much a cookie cutter type band that was severely overrated.

I must admit, however, that based on the audience response, I was in the minority. They seem to have a nice following. I thought they were pretty bland.

When James mentioned them during DT's set, and how they were a favorite of his, I was pretty surprised. I know James likes heavy stuff (as do I), but not sure what he (or other fans of Trivium) find so engaging about the band. They were tolerable, at best.

[tristl]

Not a fan at all. I went into the show very much looking forward to seeing what they were all about. I came away unimpressed and thought they were pretty much a cookie cutter type band that was severely overrated.

I must admit, however, that based on the audience response, I was in the minority. They seem to have a nice following. I thought they were pretty bland.

When James mentioned them during DT's set, and how they were a favorite of his, I was pretty surprised. I know James likes heavy stuff (as do I), but not sure what he (or other fans of Trivium) find so engaging about the band. They were tolerable, at best.

thats like discussing over wine,
if everybody would have the same taste it would be very dull.
i didn't know JLB liked them, i think we really are soul brothers

[kirksnosehair]

I'll be skipping the Trivium set.  Can't get my head around those vocals, and especially since my wife is coming, we're going to have pass and just show up for Dream Theater.  I get the pairing, and I think it's good for Dream Theater to try to appeal to Trivium's audience for more fans and such, but it's just a taste thing for me. 

[Setlist Scotty]

I'd like to point something out. To those of you who'd rather see DT with another prog band, consider this. Most "prog" fans know about DT if they're not already big fans. Doing this might be awesome for prog fans, but right now DT needs new blood. They won't find any new blood playing with Neil Morse or something. They're going to find it playing to an audience who might not know who DT are already, and Trivium (amongst other non prog bands) will provide that.

I think you might be a little bit off on your assumptions Adami. While it is true that most prog fans will already know about DT, the same could be said for a lot of Trivium fans as well, considering that Trivium has cited DT as an influence.

Additionally, the purpose of an opening act is not for the headliner to gain new fans, but for the opening act to gain new fans. I'm sure that there might be a handful of Trivium fans who may become DT fans as a result of seeing them, but it's largely going to be a matter of Trivium gaining a new audience. That's why DT opened for Deep Purple, Yes and Iron Maiden - it wasn't so that their fans got turned on to the headliner's music - it was so that they could gain new fans from those bands' audiences.

If they are gonna continue having an opening act, I'd rather them have someone more in the general progressive genre and there are plenty of bands that deserve the exposure that sadly haven't gotten it thus far. Case in point is my number 1 choice: Riverside