Favorite DT Epic/Long Song (including Trial of Tears)

darkshade · February 18, 2011, 08:44:11 PM

What's your favorite DT Epic or long song (since some here dont consider certain songs 'epics')

IMO these are the selections.

A Mind Beside Itself
A Change of Seasons
Trial of Tears
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
In The Name of God
Octavarium
In The Presence of Enemies
A Nightmare to Remember
The Count of Tuscany

The Twelve Step Saga does not count for the purposes of this discussion because i want this thread to be about whole songs, or at least parts of a suite written at one time (not over the course of 7-8 years)

on further analysis, Trial of Tears has been added to the list

Please mention another favorite of yours and why (i dont want this to be a boring thread)

Mine is a toss up between Octavarium and SDoIT (Though ACOS and ANTR get a good amount of play for me, but i love all these tracks)

LieLowTheWantedMan · February 18, 2011, 08:45:21 PM

aCoS is the best them.

Also, about the brackets, I think a song is an "epic" if it has an epic feel to it. I've never been a fan of using the term "epic" to describe all long songs.

Jirpo · February 18, 2011, 08:50:49 PM

A Change of Seasons

darkshade · February 18, 2011, 08:53:08 PM

Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 18, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
aCoS is the best them.

Also, about the brackets, I think a song is an "epic" if it has an epic feel to it. I've never been a fan of using the term "epic" to describe all long songs.

Right that's what i was trying to clarify. Technically Metropolis pt 1, Learning to Live, Trial of Tears, The Best of Times, Sacrificed Sons, and Finally Free sound epic, but dont quite have the length. Whereas The Glass Prison, Home, Endless Sacrifice, and many many DT songs have the length, but arent necessarily strictly 'epic'.

LieLowTheWantedMan · February 18, 2011, 09:05:42 PM

Quote from: darkshade on February 18, 2011, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 18, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
aCoS is the best them.

Also, about the brackets, I think a song is an "epic" if it has an epic feel to it. I've never been a fan of using the term "epic" to describe all long songs.

Right that's what i was trying to clarify. Technically Metropolis pt 1, Learning to Live, Trial of Tears, The Best of Times, Sacrificed Sons, and Finally Free sound epic, but dont quite have the length. Whereas The Glass Prison, Home, Endless Sacrifice, and many many DT songs have the length, but arent necessarily strictly 'epic'.

Yeah, pretty much.

Yazman · February 18, 2011, 09:29:46 PM

Lately its The Count of Tuscany, thats just an amazing song. Love the lyrics, love the instrumentals.

So its basically a tie between Octavarium & The Count of Tuscany.

Infinite Cactus · February 18, 2011, 10:01:00 PM

A Mind Beside Itself Suite or Octavarium

skydivingninja · February 18, 2011, 10:04:32 PM

Trial of Tears. I'm not sure why that's not on your list when ITNOG is only a minute longer (when we're talking about longer songs as epics in this case).

darkshade · February 18, 2011, 10:18:59 PM

Quote from: skydivingninja on February 18, 2011, 10:04:32 PM
Trial of Tears. I'm not sure why that's not on your list when ITNOG is only a minute longer (when we're talking about longer songs as epics in this case).

i know what you're saying, but i also left out Learning to Live (which combined with Wait For Sleep is about 14 minutes) and The Ministry of Lost Souls, both are very epic but they're not as long as the others. And with In The Name of God, i always felt it has that 'longer song' feeling. I feel like Trial of Tears; along with Hell's Kitchen/Lines in The Sand, and The Best of Times, are those longer cuts that feel like a solid 6-7 minute run.

RuRoRul · February 18, 2011, 10:20:16 PM

A Change Of Seasons or In The Name Of God. Really all of those are among their best, except A Mind Beside Itself (well it's good, but no song really stands out as amazing for me and it's not that great as a whole, just three decent but different songs).

ACOS / INTOG
Octavarium / ITPOE / TCOT
Six Degrees
ANTR
A Mind Beside Itself

For me anyway. Only a few great songs are anywhere near the best (top 5 in my list) of their "long songs" (Metropolis, The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, Learning To Live, Blind Faith, Endless Sacrifice, Take The Time, Home, etc.)

blackngold29 · February 18, 2011, 10:24:46 PM

A Change of Seasons is my favorite overall DT song.

Implode · February 18, 2011, 10:38:02 PM

Octavarium is my number 1.

? · February 18, 2011, 11:19:32 PM

Quote from: blackngold29 on February 18, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
A Change of Seasons is my favorite overall DT song.

This. Out of these epics, A Mind Beside Itself is the second choice for me.

tri.ad · February 18, 2011, 11:38:25 PM

Octavarium.

yeshaberto · February 18, 2011, 11:40:58 PM

six degrees followed closely by octavarium

RoeDent · February 18, 2011, 11:42:50 PM

So if our favourite is ACOS or 8VM, we can't mention it? OK, I won't.

darkshade · February 18, 2011, 11:45:28 PM

Quote from: RoeDent on February 18, 2011, 11:42:50 PM
So if our favourite is ACOS or 8VM, we can't mention it? OK, I won't.

no, i wanted everyone to list at least more than one of their favorites

fadetoblackdude7 · February 18, 2011, 11:48:01 PM

Octavarium

kartmaze2 · February 19, 2011, 12:10:26 AM

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence followed by Octavarium!
A Change of Seasons and In the Presence of Enemies are also up there somewhere.

In the Presence of Enemies is further up on my overall list than many others'. I actually like many of the parts that people bring out as the worst...

In the Name of God is a lot further down on my overall list than many others'. I think it's a bit boring and overrated...

I also think that TCoT is a lot better than ANtR.

Have never thought of A Mind Beside Itself as one song...

One can argue day and night about which songs that are Epic/Long, but it's certainly difficult to set the limit that pleases most fans.

MykeHavoc · February 19, 2011, 01:13:20 AM

I don't agree with 12 Steps not being allowed. That being said, I guess ACOS is still the classic epic.

Lowdz · February 19, 2011, 01:18:26 AM

6DOIT for me. but I love all those on your list, and the ones left off. Even DT's short songs sound epic to me.

hefdaddy42 · February 19, 2011, 03:10:05 AM

Not sure why ANTR is on that list. Or AMBI, for that matter.

At any rate, ACOS is the king.

YtseJamittaja · February 19, 2011, 04:33:24 AM

Octavarium, no contest for me

jonny108 · February 19, 2011, 04:40:55 AM

Sorry, I'm going to be boring.
Octavarium followed by ACOS then at the minute it would probably be TCOT, but that's likely to constantly keep changing.

Knguro · February 19, 2011, 05:05:01 AM

In the name of God.
Octavarium.

BanksD · February 19, 2011, 07:35:59 AM

Octavarium
6DOIT
The Count of Tuscany

my 3 favorites.

darkshade · February 19, 2011, 07:56:53 AM

Quote from: kartmaze2 on February 19, 2011, 12:10:26 AM
In the Presence of Enemies is further up on my overall list than many others'. I actually like many of the parts that people bring out as the worst...

agreed

Quote from: MykeHavoc on February 19, 2011, 01:13:20 AM
I don't agree with 12 Steps not being allowed.

well i just wanted to talk about individual long songs. i dont consider 12 steps ONE song, whereas SDoIT is IMO. Plus there's a separate thread for the 12 step suite

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 19, 2011, 03:10:05 AM
Not sure why ANTR is on that list. Or AMBI, for that matter.

ANTR is one of their longest songs, and i think it's epic. Darker than usual, but epic.

i dont necessarily feel AMBI is, but some do. But hey some dont think SDoIT is, but i do $:-\$

Kosmo · February 19, 2011, 07:57:09 AM

I actually think that i like Count the best from those.

hefdaddy42 · February 19, 2011, 08:12:18 AM

I don't see anything "epic" about ANTR. The beginning is straightforward metal, then there is the Beautiful Agony section, then the overlong third section. Nothing epic there.

But hey, whatever.

darkshade · February 19, 2011, 08:22:55 AM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 19, 2011, 08:12:18 AM
I don't see anything "epic" about ANTR. The beginning is straightforward metal, then there is the Beautiful Agony section, then the overlong third section. Nothing epic there.

But hey, whatever.

understandable. But this thread is also for 'long songs' in case anyone didnt consider the above songs 'epics'

Zydar · February 19, 2011, 08:45:46 AM

ACOS, with 6DoIT as a close 2nd.

DarkLord_Lalinc · February 19, 2011, 08:46:49 AM

Octavarium.

LieLowTheWantedMan · February 19, 2011, 08:52:05 AM

Quote from: kartmaze2 on February 19, 2011, 12:10:26 AM
In the Presence of Enemies is further up on my overall list than many others'. I actually like many of the parts that people bring out as the worst...

This.

MykeHavoc · February 19, 2011, 10:29:06 AM

Well if we're getting picky, In the Presence is split into two, and 6 Degrees is cut up into 8, yet we consider them both to be one song each.

darkshade · February 19, 2011, 10:32:35 AM

Quote from: MykeHavoc on February 19, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
Well if we're getting picky, In the Presence is split into two, and 6 Degrees is cut up into 8, yet we consider them both to be one song each.

whos getting picky? both those songs were written as one and performed live as one. they just happen to be split into separate tracks on the studio albums.

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Favorite DT Epic/Long Song (including Trial of Tears)

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