Where would Space-Dye fit in a Dream Theater show?

[Perpetual Change]

Since Space-Dye Vest is now back on the table, where do you guys think it'd be best placed on a DT set?

I've heard some people say as an encore but I'm just not seeing it. Seems like it'd be a total downer. Of course, closing out the set with it would be OK before coming back into something more uplifting.

I could also seem them playing it and seguing the end into a classic, like how they did with Learning to Live and ACoS on OIALT/5YIALT. I for one thing that might be kind cool. The outro jam in Space-Dye Vest could fuse into something like Crimson Sunset very nicely.

[jsem]

Space-Dye Vest into Razor's Edge.

Idk. Would be epic though.

[robwebster]

Definitely right about it being a downer ending. That said, it does get heavier as it continues - by the end there's a lot of energy. And that keyboard line (the penultimate one before it comes to the main solo-piano theme again) does have a twinge of optimism to it.

I think it could close a set just fine. Maybe even close the last set fine. But not an encore.

I don't think it'd quite work as the start of an encore, either.

I'd love it if it got some regular play now. I'm just finishing listening to the Tarrytown version for the first time ever and I adore it. Wonderful song. I'm not convinced Awake's quite all it's cracked up to be in some quarters (and nor is KevMo, for that matter) but SDV is definitely something special.

[skydivingninja]

I'd say closing the first set (assuming evening with) would be the best place for it.

[?]

If they played SDV, it should IMO be the (1st or 2nd) set closer. It'd be depressing to leave the show if it was the encore song 'cause none of the people at the show would ever be open again!  

[Orbert]

I don't think it'd quite work as the start of an encore, either.

I think it would be an interesting choice to start an encore. People have just finished seeing the "new" DT and are hopefully quite pumped and ready for more, then the band comes out and plays the near-legendary song that never was played live, and the crowd goes crazy.

I'm personally amused by the image of Jordan playing those first few measures and the crowd erupting into so much noise that even after JLB comes in, you still can't hear shit. The entire first verse goes by, but it's like a Beatles concert with everyone screaming so loudly that no one can hear anything anyway.

As the song drags on continues, people eventually settle down, and by the end, much of the crowd is genuinely depressed, with a few emo guys in the back weeping openly.

Then the familiar "Puppies on Acid" riff starts up and the crowd goes nuts again.

[perfectchaos180]

I would love it as a set closer, but most bands usually go for something more exciting as a "fake" ending, I don't think it would ever be a set closer. Maybe the song before the set closer?

[KevShmev]

I think later in the set would work (like before the last two songs of the regular set).  Maybe do "The Mirror," "Lie" and it all back-to-back-to back, which would be nice considering the lead SDV melody is first heard near the end of "The Mirror."

[robwebster]

I don't think it'd quite work as the start of an encore, either.

I think it would be an interesting choice to start an encore. People have just finished seeing the "new" DT and are hopefully quite pumped and ready for more, then the band comes out and plays the near-legendary song that never was played live, and the crowd goes crazy.

I'm personally amused by the image of Jordan playing those first few measures and the crowd erupting into so much noise that even after JLB comes in, you still can't hear shit. The entire first verse goes by, but it's like a Beatles concert with everyone screaming so loudly that no one can hear anything anyway.

You know when someone says something in just a sliiightly different way, and it suddenly makes it sound a lot more appealing?

That's it. I want it to happen now. I'm sure that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I imagine it'd be a very cool moment. Even if it happened every show - plus, as it's a shorter song, you get the chance to follow it up with a classic so you don't end on a down note.

[tri.ad]

I gave this a thought and I also think that it would be great as the start of an encore, or the closing point of the first set.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

I think it would be really cool if DT - since they're going back to "Evening With", right? - broke their set down into three parts, with the middle part being an acoustic set where they could plays songs like SDV, Speak to Me, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows off a Dream, etc. Even if it's only two or three songs, it could be cool.

[robwebster]

I think it would be really cool if DT - since they're going back to "Evening With", right? - broke their set down into three parts, with the middle part being an acoustic set where they could plays songs like SDV, Speak to Me, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows off a Dream, etc. Even if it's only two or three songs, it could be cool.

Don't know if they're necessarily going to an Evening With yet... but I really dig that idea. My only issue is that two intermissions might be one too many. But! Equally, might be good for the band, and help 'em keep the ball rolling - keep the pace up.

[cyberdrummer]

I think it would be really cool if DT - since they're going back to "Evening With", right? - broke their set down into three parts, with the middle part being an acoustic set where they could plays songs like SDV, Speak to Me, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows off a Dream, etc. Even if it's only two or three songs, it could be cool.

Don't know if they're necessarily going to an Evening With yet... but I really dig that idea. My only issue is that two intermissions might be one too many. But! Equally, might be good for the band, and help 'em keep the ball rolling - keep the pace up.

I think it could work, as long as the breaks weren't too long - PT did it at the RAH and RCMH shows in the autumn with a 15 minute and 20 minute break. Perhaps a 5-7 minute break after the first set, then an aocustic set, then the standard 15 minute intermission.

[ShadowWalker]

A set closer or the first song of a three-song encore...

Or they could just play the entire Awake album and then we would know where it would land in the setlist

[Chino]

If DT goes back to the evening with concerts, the final song before intermission would be bperfect for SDV.

[hefdaddy42]

For some strange reason, I think that Stream of Conciousness would sound good following Space-Dye Vest.  I'm at work, someone try it out and let me know.

[Vivace]

I'm not quite convinced that SDV is as stated "back on the table". Sure both JR and JLB played the song, but I cannot see how such a one-off performance now opens the playing field for Dream Theater to play it. I guess if JP, JM and the new drummer are interested. I guess the biggest difference between my views and most others is that I don't view this show in any other light other than a duet show with JR and JLB that has nothing to do with Dream Theater. So a connection between this song showing up now and the same song getting playing for a Dream Theater concert is tenuous at best. But then, who knows, James and Jordan could easily just say the name and everyone agrees. But that could have just as easily happened without this concert. See what I mean? If they end up playing I could easily see it coming up as a sort of intermission piece. 

[MykeHavoc]

As I stated in another thread, I feel it makes for a good opener to the encore. Obviously end with a bigger tune after, but coming up from the dark house lights and giving it a go would probably feel very intimate and special.

[Dublagent66]

They could just throw a part of it into a medley.  It certainly hasn't been tried yet.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

They could just throw a part of it into a medley.  It certainly hasn't been tried yet.

Are you suggesting... Dance of Eternity/Space-Dye Vest/drum solo/Space-Dye Vest (reprise) medley?

[jsem]

They could just throw a part of it into a medley.  It certainly hasn't been tried yet.

Are you suggesting... Dance of Eternity/Space-Dye Vest/drum solo/Space-Dye Vest (reprise) melody?

I think Anna Lee/SDV would work together

[toro]

SDV jam?








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[Dublagent66]

They could just throw a part of it into a medley.  It certainly hasn't been tried yet.

Are you suggesting... Dance of Eternity/Space-Dye Vest/drum solo/Space-Dye Vest (reprise) melody?

I think Anna Lee/SDV would work together

Yeah, there ya go.  A collection of slow stuff.  Throw a little bit of Vacant in there, some Disappear, maybe some TALW and WFS type stuff.

[T-ski]

If it is to be played by the whole band this is the only acceptable way it is to be done....

....last song before the encore, no lights on the band, video and light show to correspond with the song, song hits its peak, lights come up on keyboard player and Kevin Moore is playing.  Crowd goes nuts. 

Song is finished and the band finishes the night with an encore with Kevin Moore on keys.  The next day every Dream Theater fan says they were at the show.

Of course this most likely will never happen, but a man can dream, can't he?

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

I agre with the "last song before intermission" idea.

[inoku]

SDV after a big epic or heavy song.
just like vacant after six degree on score.
it doesn't have to be an encore.

[Jamesman42]

I just realized that, if JR/JLB playing this live is transitive to DT playing it live...

...then they could possibly play Awake in its entirety.

[Ben_Jamin]

In the same spot Disappear was on Budakon.

[Lowdz]

The arrangement without full band could work as a segue into Surrounded, kinda like the instrumental jam they have been doing in recent tours. Not sure if the key would work as I'm not musical enough for that. Just tried it and it works for me.

[jsem]

I just realized that, if JR/JLB playing this live is transitive to DT playing it live...

...then they could possibly play Awake in its entirety.

PLM would faint if he ever saw this happen

[ricky]

Right before the encore (which would be metropolis, duh).

Twenty bucks says so.

and KevMo would be there.